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Wired is running a story on Delicious Monster, a startup Mac software company whose main office is a Seattle coffee shop. Hope they're drinking decaf.
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As long as it's not Java.
Their website is run on a Motorola 68000 chip embedded in a biscotti. Try not to spill, fellas!
> it generated $250,000 worth of sales in its first month
Wow, I must have contributed to some of that.
Delicious Library is cool, if a little bit slow. But it's still new, so that's not surprising. The attention to detail is really amazing. When you add artwork to a catalog item, the application adds a screen to the item image to make it look like it's in a DVD case, or the cover of a book. If you say it's a hard cover or soft cover book, the size of the book changes, too. I wrote a nearly pointless review of it for Gadget Madness.
Scanning in your books, DVDs, games, or whatever into the system is actually a kind of fun. It's one of those Mac OS X applications that when you show someone who doesn't have a Mac, they get that comically jealous look on their face.
Insert simplistic political, ideological, or personal proselytization here.
Why-ever not? A start up has to start up somewhere, and if the company does not require a fixed premises as such, these guys are free to meet in the park, in the high street, in coffee shops. It's really just an extreme example of how decentralised business is becoming these days.
Quoth the server, "404."
Wouldn't it be easier to work from home? That's what I do.
I'd wonder about security though. These guys are working on wireless internet on a public network while developing proprietary software. What's to stop one guy with a snooper and a latte-wielding disguise from stealing all their work? Yes, it's quirky. And I'll be damned if I wouldn't love to pay my rent in coffee... but I'm just not sure it's good business. Of course, this is all speculation on my part. We only have a Starbucks here.
How much coffee will they have to buy to pay for the bandwidth bill?
its really a shame they don't have Wi-Fi at my local bar. Paying rent in beer sounds like a much better option.
While I like this product (I especially think the barcode thing is spiffy), I don't really like some of their ideas for the next version. They state that you will be able to see other peoples profile with the same taste... Well I think marketeers are going to have a field trip with this... a fully free accessible database of online contacts already sorted by the profile you make... all that for only 40 bucks. Don't get me wrong, I like the idea in principle, but it's just too easy to be taken advantage of.
The best weapon of a dictatorship is secrecy, but the best weapon of a democracy should be the weapon of openness.
Here I thought that mac developers would be drinking hot cocoa
Sean.OutaHere()
Yeah, and everything is fine until you need to start shipping things UPS from work.
Co-founder of OmniGroup in Seattle.
http://www.omnigroup.com
I had no idea Wil left his baby, OmniWeb to do a start-up. With his almost 15 years of Cocoa programming experience I'm sure they'll make it.
And you know what? They're ordinary, hard-working developers, and they're quite creative. Apple should be hiring them.
Take off every sig. For great justice.
... also a complete, utter waste of time.
I have to admit that I bought the software because I am a Criterion collector and because the developers did a really nice job in terms of look and feel. So I scanned hundreds and hundreds of DVDs in there and now I can see them sitting on gorgeous virtual shelves on my fully loaded PowerBook G4. And I can pat myself in the back. And that is about it.
The fact that useless software (and products in general) that does not make you nicer, more knowledgeable, or more intelligent can generate so much revenue is beyond common sense. But the saddest part is that I am actually contributing to that trend.
Especially in the financial centres of big cities it seems that Starbucks et al are not really a "coffee company", but are in fact selling very on-demand temporary office space ("Regus Lite") with free coffee as an incentive and informal time-billing system.
Anyone who's worked for a large investment bank and has tried to book an office for a quick meeting will know this is true (especially if the meeting rooms operate as a "profit centre" and so you have be recharged the costs). It's amazing how much you can find out about the state of the IT dept of a large company just by hanging out in the nearest coffee shop - are they hiring or firing, are the staff excited or bitching, what new projects are they working on.... industrial espionage was rarely so cheap.
Similarly, airports are now in the business of selling multi-day car parking and short term entertainment for an hour or two.
I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. - George Best
I started a company with a friend of mine three years ago. We each worked out of own homes, and met twice a week in person (at a coffee shop, natch') to be sure we were synched up. But after a while it started to become difficult for me to stay in the same damned room all day, then move over a few feet into the kitchen for dinner, a few feet over to the living room to watch a movie, and then a few feet again to go to sleep. I felt like a freakin' hamster.
When we got the chance to share office space with a couple of other guys who ran their own small companies, we jumped at the chance. Splitting the money three ways makes rent much cheaper, and we get human contact. Sometimes you don't need to have specific interaction. You just need to be around people.
That's part of the appeal of working in a coffee shop. You can focus on what you're doing, but there's enough human activity that you can also get that feeling of connectedness. When you work alone at home by yourself it's easy to feel disconnected from the rest of humanity, no matter how many IMs you get from your buddies.
But maybe it's just me. I haven't yet transcended meatspace.
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
I run four companies from my local coffee shop. Sit in the back with my powerbook and always look like I'm waiting for someone to show up. But the downside is that you can easily be tempted into vanilla lattes every hour, which costs as much as a 15th-floor corner office, and will likely get me a kidney transplant in five years.
Now if only I had products I sold that earned money, I'd be breaking even...
The world's only surviving livewriter.
That and their software is probably infinitely cooler than yours was. Have you ever used or seen Delicious Library?
Uh oh, now that it's been slashdotted we can expect a lawsuit from Monster Cables any time now...
Dont forget the hardworkers get a dime, while the CEO/leader walks away with millions because his equity was 95%+.
Its one thing to have controlling interests (>50%) share, but its another quite evil thing to USE your employees to make yourself filthy rich, then sell out, sack the employees and leave em to dry while the CEO walks away super uber rich with 10 lifetimes of assets/money.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
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In my town, I am Starbucks direct competitor (as in the majority of the Sunday business they do is in the time period from when they open to fifteen minutes before I do), and while other parts of the country may have coffee priced excessively high (especially in light of low prices on the C market for the past couple years), from my perspective Starbucks is charging an awful lot for a product that is nowhere near as good as it could be (my average cost of green coffee is about three times what Starbucks says they pay, though in many cases they have more lossage from over-roasting). For a concrete example, a small chai at Starbucks costs more than a large chai at my establishment. Unadulterated coffee is likewise more expensive. Starbucks competitors charging Starbucks prices (or higher) are probably doing so only because they can.
If you don't like Starbucks, you could also try... a library. Or my personal favorite, the lobby of a hotel that has free wireless. Thank you, Courtyard by Marriot! When I was finishing a major project in 2003, I hung out daily in the Courtyard a few minutes from my office. No one who worked there cared (or seemed to notice), the Internet access was fast, and if someone needed me I could be at the office in five minutes, but I wasn't constant getting interupted. I paid them back by making sure we always put up contractors there vs. other hotels in the area.
Dude, I think I can see my house from here.
The famous Lloyd's of London insurance group started out in Lloyd's coffee house in the late 1600s. This bodes well for Delicious Monster. :)
Excerpts from the book "Against the Gods" by Peter Bernstein:
"One afternoon in 1637 * a Cretan scholar named Canopius sat down in his chambers at Balliol College, Oxford, and made himself a cup of strong coffee. Canopius's brew is believed to mark the first time coffee was drunk in England; it proved so popular when it was offered to the public that hundreds of coffee houses were soon in operation all over London.
What does Canopius's coffee have to do with * the concept of risk? Simply that a coffee house was the birthplace of Lloyd's of London, which for more than two centuries was the most famous of all insurance company's. *
The second half of the seventeenth century was also an era of burgeoning trade. The Dutch were the predominant commercial power of the time, and England was their main rival. Ships arrived daily from colonies and suppliers around the globe to unload a profusion of products that had once been scarce or unknown luxuries-sugar and spice, coffee and tea, raw cotton and fine porcelain. * Information from remote areas of the world was now of crucial importance to the domestic economy. With the volume of shipping constantly expanding, there was a lively demand for current information with which to estimate sailing times between destinations, weather patterns, and the risks lurking in unfamiliar seas.
In the absence of mass media, the coffee houses emerged as the primary source of news and rumour. In 1675, Charles II,
suspicious as many rulers are of places where the public trades information, shut the coffee houses down, but the uproar was so great that he had to reverse himself sixteen days later. Samuel Pepys frequented a coffee house to get news of the arrival of ships he was interested in; he deemed the news he received there to be more reliable than what he learned at his job at the Admiralty.
The coffee house that Edward Lloyd opened in 1687 near the Thames on Tower Street was a favourite haunt of men from the ships that moored at London's docks. The house was "spacious, well built and inhabited by able tradesmen" according to a contemporary publication. It grew so popular that in 1691 Lloyd moved it to much larger and more luxurious quarters on Lombard Street. Nat Ward, a publican whom Alexander Pope accused of trading vile rhymes for tobacco, reported that the tables in the new house were "very neat and shined with rubbing." A staff of five served tea and sherbet as well as coffee.
Lloyd had grown up under Oliver Cromwell and he had lived through plague, fire, the Dutch invasion up the Thames in 1667, and the Glorious Revolution of 1688. He was a lot more than a skilled coffeehouse host. Recognizing the value of his customer base and responding to the insistent demand for information, he launched "Lloyd's List" in 1696 and filled it with information on the arrivals and departures of ships and intelligence on conditions abroad and at sea. That information was provided by a network of correspondents in major ports on the Continent and in England. Ship auctions took place regularly on the premises, and Lloyd obligingly furnished the paper and ink needed to record the transactions. One corner was reserved for ships' captains where they could compare notes on the hazards of all the new routes that were opening up - routes that led them farther east, farther south, and farther west than ever before. Lloyd's establishment was open almost around the clock and was always crowded.
Then as now, anyone who was seeking insurance would go to a broker, who would then hawk the risk to the individual risk-takers who gathered in the coffee houses or in the precincts of the Royal Exchange. When a deal was closed, the risk-taker would confirm his agreement to cover the loss in return for a specified premium by writing his name
I'm a Starbucks geek. (Yes, I think there is such a beast.) I go there almost daily. I bring people in to try new products. I have a card. I even read Howard Schultz's book. So, I was pretty excited when my wife and I visited Seattle about three years ago. We saw the original site, of course. We even visited the huge headquarters building. (Does anyone else find that Starbucks figurehead peering over the building just a little creepy?)
;-)
For those of you who haven't read Schultz's book, Starbucks and Peet's are linked in their history. Many folks say that it was really Alfred Peet who introduced Schultz to the darker, Full City roast that Starbucks finally used for their coffees.
Well, having read the book about the history, I wanted to see Peet's, too. There weren't any in New Orleans, where I lived at the time.
I visited one near the city center and I was immediately struck by the similarity in decor and layout between Peets and Starbucks. I mentioned this to the attendant.
It's true! Icy glares do send a chill down your spine.
I came to understand later the local rivalry between the companies that harkens all the way back to when Peet left Starbucks. Somehow Schultz didn't mention this. I can't believe it!
If Nalgene water bottles are outlawed, only outlaws will have Nalgene water bottles.
insufferably precious Mac-Seattle-GraphicDesginer disease.
Somebody's jealous...
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
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The Apple developer site has an interesting article on how Delicious Library's use of the Cocoa bindings framework.
Wow, that sounds like a question they must get asked frequently. Quoting from the FAQ:
Can I use my CueCat or other USB barcode scanner with Delicious Library?
Delicious Library should support any USB barcode scanner that sends data in the same fashion as a keyboard. The CueCat scanner does not fall into this category, but the following instructions allow you to modify the CueCat to be more compatible.
How to modify your CueCat barcode scanner (1965 USB Models): The USB models has an onboard 16 pin SMD component. This IC will have a serial number on it similar to the following sequence: K130A033 HMS91C7316 0027. Simply lift pin 5 on this device. Congratulations, your USB CueCat is now functioning as a commercial barcode scanner.
Wanna send me one of your extra USB 'Cats?
Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
If you really think about it.. there's quite a few software developers without an office.
The Mac community has some great shareware developers. Some work out of their own homes. No office, no staff. Just their own place.
Some collaborate online. Look at all the open source products now. Not all have their own office (like the Mozilla Foundation). Quite a few projects are 100% virtual.
I think this model will have even more of an impact in the next 10-15 years. It's not really necessary for someone who programs all day to have an office to themselves... it's wasteful.
It's perfectly acceptable for such an employee to work from home, or any other environment, and perhaps spend 1 day, or perhaps 2 afternoons a week in the office. You can then used shared work space and cut down on costs.
With the availability of high speed connections, VPN's for secure network access, VoIP providers providing cheap phone access....
the only thing is human interaction. And even that. Think about how often your actually "need". A few meetings a week. Now how many of those can't be done over the phone?
Really, only a much smaller sum of work needs to be done at the office.
Provided good management skills are used, to keep employees on target, and on time... there's nothing wrong with a virtual company.
In fact... it's much more efficient.
Don't forget the time you save people. If you work 1 day in the office a week, that's only 2 commutes (one each way). With an average commute time of a little under an hour (being generious). That's several hours a week that an employee can then use to either conduct work, or extra family time (or time at the strip club).
Why not hire the guy who lives in Kansas when the office is in NYC? If he's good, it's great. You can teleconfrence him in, and fly him in for a day or two every several weeks. He can work from home, and code just like the guys in the office. You don't need office space (which in a city like NYC, just a few square feed for a cubicle is expensive). Just pay his office phone, DSL/Cable line, and send him some hardware.
Wiki's, Bugzilla-like systems, Intranet Portals, Email, VoIP, they all make it much easier to do.
Virtual Companies will be playing more and more of a role in the future. Especially true for IT jobs. Since they are very easy to do remotely.
Uh, no.
CueCat was about reading stupid little faux-barcodes, which were specific to the CueCat, and would be printed in magazine ads (and ads posing as articles, as you find in Wired and similar consumer goods whore magazines).
Kinda different.
The use of the CueCat to scan generic barcodes was a hack, and not the intended purpose of the device.
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We have a fulfillment center in Olympia for the scanners and we have a FedEx Kinko's a block away for other shipments.
Eight hours at the coffee shop, on average. I'm usually there every day. I also work from home, and from restaurants; my laptop goes with me everywhere. I'm the life of the party, yes sir. Mike and I pretty much are always working on our company -- even when we're watching movies, we'll be thinking of ways to solve the problems we're hitting. Part of the idea here is that you don't have to lock your company in a building and turn a key and say goodnight to it every night. We've incorporated it into almost all of our normal lives. That, for me, is the core point of the 'coffee shop as office' meme.
I hope they're related somehow.. otherwise one of these is a total ripoff.
This looks exactly the same without the fancy wood panelling.
Can anybody give a brief compare and contrast between Delicious Library and Readerware? They sound very similar, perhaps DL is pretty much the same with a much better UI?
"It is our blasphemy which has made us great, and will sustain us, and which the gods secretly admire in us." - Zelazny
I'm willing to pay the prices when the coffee is worth it. I just can't understand paying the prices starbucks charges for burnt beans.
Our whole company is predicated on doing things differently, so when we're meeting with clients it's sort of our badge of courage to tell them to meet us at the Zoka.
I don't think it's ruffled anyone's feathers. We've done press interviews and met insurance guys and interviewed employees. Everyone seems to feel very at home. I guess it's not much different from meeting a client when you're on the road.
[The hilarious part is that our Zoka happens to be RIGHT next door to The Omni Group. I mean, literally the next building over. So, for people I've done business with before, it's like, "Uh, remember where I used to be? Well..."]
I've spent an inordinate amount of the last decade sitting around in coffee houses of varying degrees of corporateness (Starbucks obviously being on one end of the scale). Quite frankly, one of the reasons that I've stopped spending time at coffee houses are people using coffee houses in exactly this way.
I don't mind people working in coffee houses. I don't mind people meeting in coffee houses. What I do mind is when people start doing things like presentations to enough other people that they have to raise their voices, talk loudly and endlessly on their damn cell phones (not to mention taking endless calls), and blather away like they own the whole place. Guess what - it's not your office, guys. It's really not.
Tech nerds are usually fairly good about this. Some of the local business types are just complete pricks about this, though. It's like they've never considered the idea that the whole place isn't interested in the unique, dynamic work environment that their chain restaurant is going to provide.
I'm not under the delusion that coffee houses should be some sort of library-like atmosphere, or that no-one should ever conduct business there, or anything like that. I'd just like (for a change) for people who are doing business in a coffeehouse to recognize that they aren't in their own office.
The two La Marzoccos at Zoka cost, no kidding, something over $20,000 each. (They are re-tuned by hand once they come in the United States to be even more frou-frou.) Their entire water supply is run through an enormous Cuno water filter. They roast their own beans (which they sell as far away as Japan) and train baristas from all over the country. Their baristas consistently place tops in the national tournaments.
Seriously, you have to try an extra-foamy mocha here. Imagine drinking coffee-meringue-pie!
I have found that a micro recorder, obviously on and recording, placed on my table and then turned in the appropriate direction does wonders. Works for cell phone calls as well.
We use my house as a base of operations -- extra scanners are stored there, along with our MacWorld booth, and, if I have my way, that giant TV we had at MacWorld.
All these assets are guarded by two fierce attack-cats, so don't try looking up our address of incorporation and breaking into my house! You will emerge fuzzy, my friend. FUZZY!
It would certainly help them "think different"
I didn't already own a computer because (a) my previous employer provided me with one which I was kind of obliged to return when I handed in my resignation, and (b) I'm not some kind of fetishist geek who likes to fill his home with hardware so he can get home from work and jack off whilst downloading the latest AC kernel patches.
Even now, I'm writing this on a 5-year old Gateway P-500 laptop with 128MB RAM, running Windows '98. Ya know why? Because all I use it for is the odd email/surfing session and I have another HD loaded with Red Hat for when I want to do something that Windows can't do.
If you were ever lucky enough to encounter someone who was stupid enough to involve you in a start-up, you'd realise that at the beginning of a start-up, you have nothing except the founders, the money and the idea. You have to find an office, you have to source office IT equipment, furniture, a phone system, etc. Unless, that is, you're stupid and extravagant enough to go to some serviced offices rip-off joint and blow your investors' cash on some plush joint which you equip with the latest and most up-to-date PCs which you then use for nothing more than email and writing Word documents.
I used easyEverything for about a fortnight, until my colleagues had found us an office, by which time I had everything lined up and only had to press the "Submit" button to order the office PCs, network equipment and printer, call in the cabling guys, get the lines installed and order an Ascom small-office PBX system.
Get back in your fuckin' box and don't dare express an opinion in my presence again. And just as a fuckin' coup de grace:
I'm not Case, you fuckwit. I was hired by a company, not a computer.How the fuck do people like you manage to earn enough money to afford an Internet connection? I guess you're either on welfare or work into the telco infustry.
Jack