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.net Domain Up For Grabs
belmolis writes "
The New York Times is reporting that the bidding is on for the .net domain currently
administered by VeriSign. VeriSign's current contract
expires June 30th; applications are due today. Three companies are known to be interested:
NeuStar, which currently manages .biz,
Afilias, which manages .info,
and Denic eG, a non-profit that manages the German .de domain.
ICANN is bending over backward to avoid any suggestion of bias due to its conflict
with VeriSign over VeriSign's Site Finder "service" and has appointed an independent team
to evaluate the applications. VeriSign has been lobbying hard to keep the domain and
is reported to have received letters of support from Microsoft and IBM."
lets hope microsoft doesnt aquire .net domains, only to confuse the term further.
this sig no verb
When the get to much power they take advantage (sitefinder). IMHO when a company has poor ethics, they like to show it.
They showed us their ethics... we can do better. Lets look at other companies.
They can bid like everyone else.
With the twin bastions of evil that are of MS and IBM behind them, I'm sure they can't lose.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
Just put the authority to the .net tld on ebay. This would raise millions, possibly billions for ICANN - as the new owner could take ownership of every single .net domain... or raise the price to very high levels. If panix.net thinks its situation is bad, what will they think when the new owner of the .net domain asks for $10000/year for a registration... Or makes google.net install spyware...
Good riddance...after that Site Finder crap, I don't trust Veri as far as I can walk without getting winded.
I bid £1 for .net :)
better it be a public company running it then some one like m/s
we need a .microshaft domain ... so we know which sites to stay away from :).
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I hate their tactics, prices, schemes, and business practices. I am personally responsible for registering THOUSANDS of domains with them over the years, and I am treated like dirt by their service teams when I have trouble. Bastards rot in hell.
Zhrodague.net - I do projects and stuff too.
To access this .net site please enter your .net Passport.
Big Deal.... Take those letters and shove them. Using those letters, regardless of where they came from, would cause and/or swing the bias. If an independent group is making the decision, let them do independent research to decide.
People need to get off this "because Microsoft, IBM, AOL, etc. said it, so now I'll believe it" mentality and start thinking for themselves. For example, I like Linux. Not because Linus said so, but because I did my own research and found it to be what I feel I need.
When exactly did ICANN care about appearing impartial?
.net domain?
Why can't they just tell VeriSign something along the lines of "You fucked up. You thought you were all bad and shit. We're taking it away from you." and just let the other three companies mentioned bid for it and shut VeriSign out of the
Kierthos
Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
To me, this is the most important part of the article:
VeriSign is lobbying actively to hold onto its .net stewardship, however, lining up written support from major players including Microsoft and I.B.M.
At $5 a year for each domain name, VeriSign earns an estimated $30 million annually from administering .net - far less than its revenues for .com, which has 200 million names at $6 each.
I've been thinking about registering a .net domain, but now I'm not so sure anymore. VeriSign is very likely to lose and the transition process will not be an easy one as I'm sure VeriSign will fight tooth and nail to keep .net even after the final decision.
Microsoft is a a public company. Checkout stock symbol MSFT
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
This made me roll my eyes, and I hope I wasn't alone. This quote:
.net, one of the Internet's most popular domains.
.com but still... I will admit ignorance in these matters, but it's weird to think that a coroporation would run the .net domain - which, as the article points out, is responsible for a vast array of sites - including "About 40 percent of government domains allow access through .net, including the White House, the United States Senate, Homeland Security agencies and the Social Security Administration, making it a vital Internet transportation layer, said Tom Galvin, a spokesman for VeriSign."
.net - what advantages does this convey on them?
VeriSign has been lobbying hard to keep the domain and is reported to have received letters of support from Microsoft and IBM.
Hah! Woopty-doo, hopefully this doesn't matter and there is some legitimacy in the bidding process. I'm not an anti-Microsoft crusader (although I did ditch Windows), but come now . . . unless they're willing to throw their money behind VeriSign (as opposed to a letter), they should simply STFU. From the NYT article:
But later this month, the system's underpinnings will become a topic of debate when rival companies publicly bid to run
It is rather disturbing at a base level that a company controls the domain. I know VeriSign runs
So weird.. WHY does VeriSign want
"There's no success like failure, and failure's no success at all."
- Bob Dylan
we need a
How about
I don't need a signature.
Why not turn it over to the open-source community and let the experts take care of it? I'm sure they could provide a much better system than Verisign, more accountability, and much lower cost.
Calm down, I'm kidding.
I RTFA, but I was wondering what sort of price you'd have to pay for this? and also how much control you would actually have over .net with ICANN watching your every move?
What impact does this have on all the sites I own that are on the .NET domain??
DAMN YOU OCTODOG! DAMN YOU TO HELL!
If I'd had more notice... well, then I wouldn't have to be doing my application today. Since I'm at work, it'll be eating into my Slashdot time!
500GB of disk, 5TB of transfer, $5.95/mo
haha teh LOLz0r! I will den creat teh .l33t domain for us c00l dudez! m1cr0sh4ft can suck1t!
> applications are due today.
I think Adam Sandler says it best: "This information could have been brought To My Attention YESTERDAY!"
...surprised EA hasn't tried to buy it yet.
I'm starting a pool. Paypal me your support so we can put a solid bid in on this. It's for the consortium, and you all have a share. ;)
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Call me crazy, but you don't see a problem with talking about ethics, and advertising some ipod/minimac pyramid scheme at the same time?
I say that for now on, we pledge to never mod up people with this bullcrap in their sigs.
Wonder if Tucows / OpenSRS will make a bid -- though I haven't seen anything on their reseller resource center. I'd trust them over MS or Verisign - they listen to their customers and actively support the Linux platform (heck, even their site is PERL and PHP). /me wanders off to call his Tucows rep...
Why exactly can't ICANN take into account the fact that Verisign broke their last contract (in a way that screwed around with the whole Internet and made Verisign lots of $$$) when deciding whether to give them the next contract? What do they decide the contract on then?
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So, sounds like a slam-dunk. If it goes differently, we'll know the fix is in.
Afilias uses PostgreSQL, so now we know who the Slashdot croud should be rooting for. See the last paragraph:
http://www.active-domain.com/news/2002sep-5.htm
In fact there is a seminar at Afilias starting tomorrow to plan a new multi-master replication solution for PostgreSQL, so they are very involved with open source.
Wouldn't it suck if a group of cybersquatters banded together and bought the domain just to advertise on it and take over all the sites?
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so either verisign get to fuck us over for a few more years or some other company do. FUCKING GREAT
It would be so nice if some one like Nominet took over *all* of the TLDs. Never going to happen of course, but people who have to deal with both Nominet and Network solutions a great deal know why I wish this.
It's probably not just a highest bidder thing-- they probably have to demonstrate technical capability as well.
And in light of that, I can't help but wonder if the Panix domain-jacking wasn't someone's attempt to make Verisign look technically inept with low security, in addition to the complaints about their business practices. The timing is too close...
It's very much in Verisigns interest to figure out how it happened, who's responsible, and make sure it's less likely to happen in the future.
Years back, between migrating from AOL and my dialup ISP getting sold, resold, and resold, I decided to go to a third party for a popbox, so I could get a stable email address, and that worked for a few years.
Then the popbox provider changed their policies. It wasn't just that they weren't free - I could have handled that. They really didn't want to fuss with individuals, they wanted to provide for businesses.
So I bought a third-level domain, forwarding email to my ISP's popbox. That worked for a few years, and during that time their billing department was a bit odd, at best. Then last year their billing department got to be too much to deal with. (They wouldn't accept a cashier's check issued to the name of their company - they wanted it to a person . Sounds too shady, to me.)
So I went to DynDNS.org and bought my own domain last year, along with mail forwarding, etc.
My domain is a ".net".
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Anybody else want to throw in some money on this one?
It's this or another cheese pizza...
If I was bidding out for someone to fix my PC and 'Puterz-R-Us shows up with recomendation letters from Microsoft and IBM you bet I'm going to take it seriously.
Dotster were the people Panix put their trust in before their domain was hijacked - not sure how good an eye they were keeping on that situation.
Ahh...I can feel the karma leaving my body...
"Murphy was an optimist" - O'Toole's commentary on Murphy's Law
Are there any non profit registrars in US ?
I find it pretty hard to take the whole TLD thing seriously anway. Even when the rules are applied consistently, all you get is a lot of obscure suffixes that are of no real use to anybody. And when the rules have never really been applied, as with .net, .org, and most of the national domains, it's hard to understand why anybody cares who administers the domains.
apparently microsoft wasn't too upset when verisign accidentally issued a certificate with microsoft's name on it to some scammers.
If I don't put anything here, will anyone recognize me anymore?
What's wrong with having a bias against a company that is abusing the responsibilities of the position they hold? I think VeriSign's application should simply be thrown out. "Sorry, we're not interested. Don't let the door hit you on the way out."
The article mentions SiteFinder, but before that VeriSign was sent fraudulent email to owners of domains registered through other registrars, and just this weekend they transferred panix.com (registered through a different registrar) to a hijacker. Considering the way the seem to have blown off both the rightful owner of the domain and law enforcement, I think it would be appropriate to take into account the possibility that VeriSign will be convicted of computer crimes and banned from computers by court order within the period of this contract when deciding whether to give it to them.
A letter of support from Microsoft. Interesting WHOIS Microsoft.com
Looks like "Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC."
Registrant:
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
US
Domain name: MICROSOFT.COM
Administrative Contact:
Administrator, Domain domains@microsoft.com
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
US
+1.4258828080
Technical Contact:
Hostmaster, MSN msnhst@microsoft.com
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
US
+1.4258828080
Registration Service Provider:
DBMS VeriSign, dbms-support@verisign.com
800-579-2848 x4
Please contact DBMS VeriSign for domain updates, DNS/Nameserver
changes, and general domain support questions.
Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 23-Jun-2004.
Record expires on 03-May-2014.
Record created on 02-May-1991.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.MSFT.NET 207.46.245.230
NS5.MSFT.NET 207.46.138.20
NS2.MSFT.NET 64.4.25.30
NS3.MSFT.NET 213.199.144.151
NS4.MSFT.NET 207.46.66.75
Domain status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
It's sad to say, but VariSign might just be a cut above the two other fly-by-night operations...
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
Verisign were the people that changed the transfer rules for .com domain names however. Dotster should have locked all the domain names themselves, but ...
...you register thousands of domains and manage them by bulk?
Talking about unethical slimeballs, what do you think about those guys that bulk buy websites with name like (with the odd spelling mistake) or names easily mistaken for other websites? Or domain campers that auction them off to the highest bidder?
There is no way they should be alowed to keep them. all domains should be run by not for profit. in the best intrest of the net
Aren't those guys extremely burocratic w.r.t. domain transfers etc? Didn't they require real paperwork to transfer domains in their .de ccTLD (at least in the past)? Anyone with DeNIC experience cares to comment or explain?
There's also another point here: transferring .net to a ccTLD operator would also mean that all .net domains would be subject to the national laws of that operator's country. Do we really want the whole .net domain managed by an entity outside the US, governed by totally different rules and regulations?
This is by no means a rebuttal of or prejudice against DeNIC eG or other ccTLD operators. I'm just a bit worried that such a transfer would affect existing domains in negative ways (like less legal protection, higher legal costs, UDRP overrides, etc...).
cpghost at Cordula's Web.
... Anybody but Verisign!
I'd rather not see EA release a new .net every year.
E. A. Sites. It's in the domain.
You can hold down the "B" button for continuous firing.
I have used all of these (except Dotster) and more: namecheap, domain people and others. The idea that network solutions offers value for money is surely a joke. Do you hold stock in this company by any chance? Currently, I use and recommend GoDaddy. It went through a bad patch for a while--for anyone living outside the US in particular. Now it works well and it's good value. It also seems to be an ethical company. I moved all my domains away from Network Solutions when they started sending bogus renewals to customers of competitors--voting with my feet. Monopolies are bad for business. Unethical monopolies are worst of all.
Al Gore should try and get his hands on it! After all, he invented it...
So THAT'S what that means!
They've done a great job with .org, I think they'd also do a great job with .net.
where can i bid on this? i'm willing to go up to 10 dollars. sig = scott is gay