'Star Trek: Enterprise' Cancelled?

Tycoon Guy writes "There seems to be no avoiding it this season: TrekToday is reporting that the Enterprise production crew has been told they will all be fired in March, after completing filming on another four episodes. If true, that leaves only very little time to participate in the Save Enterprise campaign. But even if Enterprise is cancelled, all may not be lost: Rick Berman said today he's working on a new Trek feature film that will have "a larger scope and budget" than ever."

Comments

Sad if true

[Anonymous Coward]

This season was much improved, and much closer to fans' original expectations. I'm afraid Sci-Fi's decision to move Stargate an hour earlier against it pretty much cemented the cancellation, though.

Re:Sad if true

[TheWanderingHermit]

I got spoiled by B5, where we were set up for one thing, and instead of spending the series waiting for it, when it came, it was setting up something else. Once I saw they were doing a 1 year arc, I knew they'd save Earth in the last 15 minutes of the last episode. Even though they had a few stories, and got better toward the end (they actually brought in some interesting characters), it was still a bad idea.

Who didn't expect them to save Earth? (After all, without Earth, where would Kirk, et al be?) And who is going to come into a show they haven't been watching if they know it's about to start a year long story? I know I don't get into shows where I think I'll need to see it every week to keep up with it. (While you didn't need to watch every week for the Xindi arc, how would someone know that without watching?)

The 1 year arc was just a bad idea.

Bringing on Manny Coto was the best thing they did in the entire run of the series (putting Brannon Braga in charge was the worst). I just wish, after finally doing something good, they'd get out of the way and give it a few years.

On the other hand, wouldn't it be ironic if some other network tried to pick it up?

Joe Straczynski (who did Babylon 5) said he pitched an idea for a Trek series to Paramont. Maybe we'll be lucky and they'll let him do something good, since he's a proven talent.

Re:Sad if true

[MrLint]

IIRC UPN moved enterprise to friday (from its original wednesday) up against the much stronger (in that slot) stargate. This means that Sci fi fans are competing on which show they will watch, as opposed to being able to easily watch *both* which would ensure better rating for the now much less crappy Enterprise.

Re:Sad if true

[NoMoreNicksLeft]

That said, who here doesn't think that his "biggest scope ever" Star Trek movie will be the cinematic equivalent of a 20th year reunion special for some sappy sitcom?

Warf will be captaining Deep Space 9, Picard will be an admiral, Shatner will somehow show up, perhaps as his evil universe twin, while Janeway comes blasting out of the Epsilon quadrant to save the day. And of course the quantum leaper will time travel to the future to see it all with the help of his friend from the "Queer Eye for the Time-traveling Guy" department of a futuristic Federation. Then, at the last minute, Henry Winkler will show up on his motorocycle, and they'll shout "Fonz!".

Well, maybe Wheaton will get a chance to be onscreen, at least.

Re:Sad if true

[cshark]

Just when it was getting good. Speaking of Sci-Fi, maybe they should take it over. They've done it before. Shows used to go to sci-fi to die, but the last few have been doing pretty well.

Re:Sad if true

[Ohreally_factor]

I think you're onto something. They could even have Fonzie jump his motorcycle over the horta. Think of the ratings!

Re:Sad if true

[Bhalash]

I hope they take a long, hard look at the new Battlestar Galactica before they make any move on a new Star Trek series-fanbois are drooling over it for a reason.

Re:Sad if true

[Democratus]

This series was dead to me from the get-go. They broke too much of the trek history that I came to enjoy.

If they plan to draw in a Trek audience with the promise of a glimpse into the Trek Universe's exciting past - they could have at least shown us the past that had been established by Trek.

Ugh. Vulcans and Klingons and Clones? Oh my...

Give me "Final Reflection: The Movie", or just let the frahchise die.

Re:Sad if true

[b1t r0t]

Don't forget how they will film some scenes with Wil Wheaton, only to cut them in post-production, because he's not "edgy" enough.

Re:Sad if true

[Scrameustache]

Speaking of Sci-Fi, maybe they should take it over. They've done it before.

Both UPN and the Star Trek franchise are owned by the same company. So it will never go to a competing network.

It's like saying that the next Mario game should be on PS2.

Re:Sad if true

[Tablizer]

No need for Winkler. Picard jumped the shark years ago.

Shark Trek : To go where no plot has gone before....and shouldn't go

Re:Sad if true

[ikkonoishi]

No no no...

They are extending the scope of the last Star Trek movie namely Nemesis.

They plan to kill off all of the cast members and replace them with retarded versions of themselves.

Re:Sad if true

[Long-EZ]

Bringing on Manny Coto...

Manny Coto was the executive producer and did a lot of the writing for the ill fated Odyssey 5. The show had a weird but interesting concept, was intelligently done, was creative, and was one of the best SF shows I've seen in quite a while. It had a lot of geek appeal, but was still approachable to non-geeks. The entire cast was excellent.

Too bad it was the sort of thing that takes off slowly, and was probably killed by cable network executive goofs at Shotime in the first season because it didn't go platinum in two episodes.

Re:Sad if true

[Rethcir]

Sorry, we're already there. Khan Noonian Singh and the gang were genetically engineered circa 1997.

Re:Sad if true

[spungebob]

...but [I] do miss the writings of Roddenberry, he had a way of writing multiple stories into one plot, and then tying them all together in the end...

But... Roddenberry didn't actually write those ST stories. And I say that not to denigrate your point at all but just as a matter of clarification: what Roddenberry did was to RECOGNIZE those stories - not just their quality of writing but also how they fit into his vision of the Trek Universe. In that sense, Roddenberry is still the key factor and the biggest difference between "then" and "now".

What's always bugged me the most about this very situation is that Roddenberry looked to seasoned sci-fi authors such as Sturgeon and Ellison for stories and inspiration and to me that is a MAJOR difference. Gene always claimed that ST was simply "Wagon Train" in space, but without writers of that caliber he wouldn't have been able to keep ST from being literally nothing more than... er, "Wagon Train" in colorful spandex.

So why don't we see that in any of the later franchises? Or virtually any other series claiming to be sci-fi?? Has Alan Dean Foster or Orson Scott Card written any scripts? William Gibson? Larry Niven?? Greg Bear?!? Have they been writing scripts and I've just missed it? Because it seems to me that television sci-fi will continue to seem like its written by hacks so long as they continue to use TV born-and-bred hacks to write it.

Re:Sad if true

[pod]

That's pretty interesting. Star Trek desperately needs a decline event of some sort to advance the (small-u) universe. There is only so much Starfleet can do. I wonder what the best plot to accomplish this would be...

Rick Berman and Star Trek

[Craig Maloney]

I think I'm not alone in saying this, but if Rick Berman were to show up on my porch selling Star Trek cookies, I think I'd still slam the door in his face.

I'm sick of having the next "Trek thing" shoved in front of me as though I'm supposed to care. Enough already.

Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek

[Anonymous Coward]

Sure... Blame the crew and not B and B. What Paramount needs to do if they want Star Trek to come back is to fire those two jokers. They had such a great opportunity to write out the founding of the Federation, The Romulan War...etc all events we know to have happened... But they just had had had to mess it up with time travel.

Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek

[Monkelectric]

There is speculation that since the events of the Enterprise universe are largely incompatible with the rest of the series that the temporal cold war would eventually erase enterprise altogether and thus still be compatible with the universe...

That being said, you're dead right.

Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek

[ClosedSource]

While it's true that Berman hasn't done much lately, I'd say he's the primary reason that TNG made it beyond the first couple of seasons (which IMHO were some of the worst Trek episodes ever). It was only after Berman took over completely that TNG hit the mark.

Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek

[Khomar]

They had such a great opportunity to write out the founding of the Federation, The Romulan War...etc all events we know to have happened... But they just had had had to mess it up with time travel.

Agreed. One of the things that was starting to annoy me with the Star Trek series was that the story was being lost to technology. With each new season, they continued to progress so quickly with technology that they could not keep consistency in their universe. When I first heard of it, I looked at Enterprise as a burst of fresh air. Yes, we knew what was going to happen (mostly), but that would just allow us to get more into the characters and the world around them. Instead, they added advanced technology and disrupted the universe.

Why do so many TV show and movie makers think that Sci-Fi is exclusively about technology? Good Sci-Fi uses the technology as a backdrop to character development and asking interesting questions. Technology is a vehicle not the destination.

Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek

[grub]

Ah yes, but remember Rick Berman made them. The moment you went to bite said cookie a tachion beam would strike the tasty morsel causing a time rift. You'd have the raw incredients of sugar, hydrogenated palm oil, colour and flavour dripping on your chin. Then you'd have to defeat the Borg (again) to get the cookie back to its baked state.

Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek

[doublem]

But they just had had had to mess it up with time travel

But, Berman said the Time Travel and Holodeck episodes were the best ones on TNG. He LOVED them!

Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek

[Chyeld]

If he isn't, I will. Only a true fanboy would attempt to claim that the first two seasons of TNG were anything but dreck. We thank them for starting the ball rolling but I'd prefer to go back and watch the worse episodes of the orginial Battlestar Galactica and Buck Rogers than rewatch the best of the first two seasons of TNG.

Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek

[jfengel]

They can be. They should be. Two of the best Star Trek episodes of all time, Yesteday's Enterprise and City on the Edge of Forever, were time travel episodes.

They give writers and actors an opportunity to put much-beloved characters in a different environment. It gives them a chance to play "what if", like watching Superman and Batman fight.

The Holodeck could be used the same way as well, but it never worked, possibly because they started with a "the holodeck is f*ed up" episode before they used it properly.

I dunno who screwed it up; I'm sure the current fanboys have raging opinions. But as a fanboy who remembers Star Trek from... well, not the original airing but the first batch of reruns when 79 episodes were all we hand and by God we liked it that way, I don't really want to watch Berman screw it up any more. I gave up on Enterprise not because it was bad but because it was mediocre. (I gave up on Voyager because it was bad.)

Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek

[MightyMartian]

They lost me in the second season. The abominable way they handled the Vulcans, the ludicrous Temporal crapola, even bringing in the %#$^! Borg (like that card wasn't overplayed with Voyageer). Bad scripts, crappy actors, totally blowing the enormous possibilities of a pre-TOS series, it deserves cancellation.

What's really pathetic is that people are trying to mount another Save-the-Trek campaign. This isn't like saving TOS after its brilliant second. This is putting a rotten bastardization out of its misery.

Now Universal wants to do it right, they'll resist any urge to put on a show in the next few years. Instead, they'll look for new writers and producers, totally scrub the decks of every idiot that had any involvement in Enterprise, come up with a good episode-based show (no story arcs at all for the first season, let the viewers get used to the characters) and then, in three or four years begin production again.

I personally am very afraid that Enterprise may have fatally damaged the whole franchise, which at one time seemed quite capable of surviving disasters like Star Trek V. If they let the turds who produced and wrote Enterprise have a movie-sized budget, then they'll have a failure that will probably kill it.

So, set fire to the sets, fire anybody who so much as dotted and "i" or crossed a "t" on an Enterprise script and don't let them anywhere near a Star Trek-related development session of any kind, wait three or four years and start again.

Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek

[bill_mcgonigle]

Wake me up when the Firefly movie comes out.

Are you a python programmer?

Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek

[JabberWokky]

They lost me in the second season.

You're a tougher man than I. They lost me in the first.

The abominable way they handled the Vulcans,

Fixed. T'Pol's "disease" is gone, and the Vulcans have rediscovered Kohlinar. The council is gone, replaced by what will eventually turn into the 'modern' Vulcan. The Forge was portrayed as it has been presented in the books.

the ludicrous Temporal crapola,

They slammed that to the side and got the *hell* rid of it at the beginning of the season. The new writers seem to despise the "Temporal war".

even bringing in the %#$^! Borg (like that card wasn't overplayed with Voyageer).

Totally gone. Zero Next Gen and beyond aliens. We do have the Orions (complete with the slave trade), a growing Klingon breakdown (to lead to the Klingon war?) and they carry the Vulcans and Andorians. In the Orion slave camps, you could also spot Tellarites in the background. Cutesy "a special episode" stuff is gone - story arcs are three episodes, and take place in pre-TOS time and conclude at the end.

Bad scripts, crappy actors, totally blowing the enormous possibilities of a pre-TOS series, it deserves cancellation.

And this season, they have seriously overhauled the show. I wouldn't watch the first seasons on DVD if they were a gift. This season, I'll happily buy. It's now the asskicking, green alien chicks and Vulcan alien mysticism of TOS with better effects, not the inbred self-referential repetitive crap of the beginning of the series.

--
Evan

Definate maybe.

[Skyshadow]

Hm, first line of the article: Enterprise showrunner Manny Coto today denied a rumour that crew members had already been told of the show's cancellation.

Note that's not actually a denial that the show is about to be cancelled, however, so let's proceed assuming that it is on the chopping block. Can't say I'd be too surprised by that -- once Enterprise got in the Friday night timeslot-'o-doom, it was definately on the road to rerunville. Oh well. Ever since I got my TiVO, I've come to view watching TV as having X amount of time each week to sit and veg with the shows I like, and frankly I can use the extra time to spend on more deserving shows.

Enterprise got quite a bit better the last two seasons, but it never actually got very good. In a lot of ways, it's like watching a clumsy kid playing sports or President Bush giving a speech -- you know they're going to screw up, so each minute that they don't is like a little victory. Given that, it's hard for me to imagine that there are actually people looking to save the series. I mean, why?

At least they waited until Battlestar Galactica got started up -- now there's a show I actually look forward to. Frankly, Enterprise only stayed on my viewing schedule into season 3 because I was too lazy to remove the series record from my TiVO.

what moron

[XO]

Would make a "Save Enterprise" campaign? It is horrible, awful, and bad.

I'd rather gnaw my arm off than sit through an episode of it.

In fact, I would gnaw my arm off to get OUT of sitting through an episode of it.

And Berman needs to be shot for what he's done.

Re:what moron

[A beautiful mind]

Well, this may be true for season 1-2, but the end of 3rd season until the last episode i've seen (4x10) was great. They improved a LOT on the show since they started it. In season 1-2, T'pol was the 'thing' for a lot of fans, but since then the show gained momentum and started to rock. I enjoyed that they extended the storyline on the timetravel stuff and the Zindi parts were awesome. Its one of the 3-4 series i can actually watch without getting bored.

Re:what moron

[pezpunk]

well, he simply answered the question as to why someone would want to save it. because, against all odds, it suddenly got pretty good in season three, and season four has been solid as well.

regardless of whether many people sat through seasons 1-2 (obviously many didn't), those that did have been rewarded and woudl like to see the series continue.

by the way, if you think Enterprise is bad, i highly suggest you go back and watch seasons 1 and two of TNG ... they are truly AWFUL. way worse than enterprise ever was. i think they get a pass because back then, people just sort of expected trek to be campy and bad.

Re:what moron

[dave1g]

ST: TNG seasons 1 and 2 sucked ass, all the others rocked.

Should we have not waited and canceled that show?

Finally

[say__10]

The beating of the dead horse has ceased, yay.

interesting....

[schnits0r]

Considering that there are 5 more episodes for season 4, they say nothing about it on the news section of the site either.

I was really hoping for it to continue, season 4 is by far the best.

Re:interesting....

[EvilMagnus]

No!
I. See. Four. Episodes!

My heartfelt condolences ...

[Average_Joe_Sixpack]

to all three fans.

Very sad

[m50d]

Enterprise was actually getting pretty good - better than some seasons of the other series in fact. I know I kept watching it. Of course it had the prequel-with-better-looking-technology-than-the-se quel problem and a few difficulties fitting in with accepted ST history ,but when there's so much of it, it't pretty impossible to be consistent with everything. I will certainly be joining this campaign.

Re:Very sad

[Nighttime]

I agree, people don't realise Trek's always been inconsistent with itself. See TOS klingons vs future klingons.

That was sort of explained in the DS9 episode Trials and Tribble-ations. Except they (Klingons) don't wish to talk about it :)

Oh come on, cut the sensational CRAP out.

[Yo Grark]

First line when I go to read the article?

"Enterprise showrunner Manny Coto today denied a rumour that crew members had already been told of the show's cancellation."

Not only is the article based on a rumor, it was officially denied.

"As to the crew being let go in March," Coto said, "we've always been scheduled to finish production in March!" A DUH.

If they want to cancel it fine, just don't play this stupid media OH NO game slashdot. Please & Thank you.

Yo Grark

Archer and crew are fracked.

[AtariAmarok]

Who'd a thunk that "Star Trek" at this time would be a dead horse, and "Battlestar Galactica" would be hot?

All may not be lost?

[Trolling4Columbine]

"...all may not be lost: Rick Berman said today he's working on a new Trek feature film that will have 'a larger scope and budget' than ever."

If you don't think that's a reason to despair, you obviously haven't seen ST:Nemesis.

Let it go

[btempleton]

Well, Enterprise has done some good episodes this season but generally I think it's time to give it a rest. I mean space-nazis?

I was even going to do a version of their theme-song telling them it was time to lay it down for a while.

Its been a long road, getting from there to here.
Its been a long run, but that time is finally here.

We have see our dream come to die at last
Please don't milk it dry

And theyre not gonna tune the dial no more,
And space-nazis will never fly.

Have the grace to depart - Vulcans don't have hearts all achey

We'll keep faith, if you leave. Take the clone and everything

You can travel in time, but do it every show you'll break me.

Close the final frontier

Have the grace, have the grace, grace to depart.

season 4 is great

[minus_273]

If you havent watched season 4 yet, go and watch a few episodes. It is great especally after manny coto took over. It is mostly 3 part arcs which have tons of good story and character development. Topics covered include the future vulcans, foundation of the federation, romulan war, kingon ridges. I think had it been like this since the beginning, it would be a very beloved series. It would be bad to cut it just when it strted getting good.

You're not alone...

[_PimpDaddy7_]

I need to emphasize the parent. He is dead on.

As a Star Trek fan, call me a trekkie, trekker, whatever(and no I don't dress like a klingon), who's watched the original series, TNG, DS9, Voyager, this man(Berman), has simply destroyed this franchise.

I hope they cancel this show for good and Berman never works with sci-fi again. The man has no idea what he's doing. The storylines are so bad high school seniors can come up with better storylines.

Let some FRESH ideas from some FRESH new people make it to the screen/TV.

Re:You're not alone...

[petsounds]

It would be a shame to cancel Enterprise at this point, because this is the first season it has actually been watchable. The three-part story arc on genetic enhancements featuring Brent Spiner was especially enjoyable (because of and in spite of Brent Spiner's presence), as was the story arc involving Vulcan politics and religious turmoil. Imagine that, a thoughtful Trek show! I hate to say it, but this is the best sci-fi show on TV right now, as Stargate SG1 has floundered so far this season.

Re:You're not alone...

[Golias]

Everybody likes to bash Rick Berman, but people conveniently forget just how week TNG was until Berman pried it from Roddenberry's cold, dead fingers.

Season 1 of The Next Generation was beyond awful.

Season 2 was almost good.

Season 3 was when it became worth watching, when Dr. Crusher was brought back (in spite of Roddenberry's strong objections), and more and more control of the show was being passed to Rick Berman.

He's also one of the guys behind the stealing of B5's ideas to create DS9, which was probably the best of all five Trek shows.

Sure, everything he's touched since then has been terrible, but the franchise he destroyed is one which he helped build.

Credit where credit's due, that's all I'm sayin'.

Re:You're not alone...

[slashdot_commentator]

Nope, previous poster was correct. Berman (or somebody) pried the Trek franchise from Roddenberry's cold dead fingers.

GR fell ill of cancer around when TNG was released. GR was responsible for much of season one's suckiness. GR was a true sci-fi fan, who was more concerned with philosophic themes than entertainment. He also harbored a grudge against TV execs making his reign with the original series difficult. (You know, violence & T&A.)

Example: He thought that in the future, people would be more enlightened and think out situations before moving to action. So in the 1st season, you saw a lot of committees before anything was done. The betazed(?) was the other one. Human's, being emotional beings, would need to have all sorts of warm fuzzy, new agey crap to keep an even keel. Thus every starship would have a shrink. While Marina Sirtis provided a T&A quota, I couldn't stand her granola eating, "I have feelings, don't do what is necessary if it wipes out some bystanding aliens", blah, blah, blah.

Basically, TNG season one was the universe run by a 60's hippee liberal utopia. That was what GR forsaw. It might have made him happy, but it sucked dogsh*t for entertainment. Think of GR like that Trek episode where Kirk gets split into a good Kirk and a bad Kirk. Call the good Kirk "science fiction excellence" and the bad Kirk "soulless entertainment". Eg - Arthur C. Clarke makes excellent, dispassionate, cerebral sci-fi, but you can't really make any of his books into movies, they are so subtle. Bad Kirk is obvious, "zero artistry and logical consistency, but lots of space battles and crewwomen in miniskirts". You really need both, or the show sucks from either extreme.

So, Roddenberry called the shots in the first season, became fatally ill, and had to hand over the reigns to Berman. Whallah, more space battles, more T&A, more engaging stories, less sermonizing propaganda, less Wesley = entertaining show.

Don't get me wrong. I loved Roddenberry, TOS and even his other sci-fi spinoff (Final Earth?). But TNG season one sucked crap, and it was because of Roddenberry. Berman did a wonderful job salvaging TNG, and his mediocrity and desire to be popular allowed DS9 to steal themes from B5 and let DS9 be the series it was. But Berman has sucked the Trek franchise dry with Voyager & Enterprise, and has to go; much like a great ballplayer who is on the decline of his career.

Re:You're not alone...

[glarbl_blarbl]

Totally agree with you.. The three-episode arcs this season have been the best Trek I've seen since DS9. The mini-series within a series on Vulcan with the mind-melds a la the end of Wrath of Khan and allusions to Jesus and New Testament were terrifically enlightening IMHO.

When they brought out the idea of a temporal cold war (two LONG years ago), that just about blew my mind (thinking about chess games where you get to change the opening you chose as you're about to lose the endgame - ok, well I thought that was a good analogy but maybe RISK would be a better choice since it requires more players). I was somewhat disappointed in the execution, to say the least. Way too long spent on a prick-tease of a sub-plot.

The things I like best about Enterprise are 1) the characters of the Capt, T'Pol, and Trip are (nearly) always entertaining and T'Pol's addiction was one of the more realistic (not resolved in a week) portrayals I have seen in popular TV shows. 2) the technology looks a lot more like what we have now, it breaks down a lot- and is often poorly designed (look at the railings in engineering, for example- a little turbulence while you're going down the stairs and whoops! broken neck!).

From what I understood, Berman has the whole thing mapped out to seven seasons, with all the juicy bits featuring Romulans and Klingons to commence shortly after that whole temporal war thing... I'm gonna be writing an email to Universal telling them how loyal I've been and will be. It's the only show I watch on UPN.

-g

Hello, editors?

[iantri]

As I write this it is 2:12 PM. The article was posted at 2:10 PM. TrekToday has already retracted their story.

So what I want to know is, did anyone at Slashdot even READ the fine article before a story about it?

Re:Good riddance.

[MalHavoc]

Yeah, that Transporter episode was pretty bad. It's gotten to the point where the producers and writers are having people like Brent Spiner guest star on it in an effort to save the show, but it ain't working. Last season was pretty good, I thought. But this season isn't going so well. The disjointed single episode thing just doesn't carry me as well as a season-long plot. It doesn't help matters that the last few Star Trek series rely on gimmicks to pull them along. Voyager had the Borg (lots and lots and lots of Borg), and Enterprise has lots of time travel. Bah. At least on DS9 you could go to Quark's and get hammered if an episode was starting to suck.

Let it lie fallow

[Embedded Geek]

This is hardly a new observation, but Paramount should give Trek a rest for a while. While it's easy to pick at Berman & Braga, the simple fact is that the Trek universe is suffering from production fatigue. When there's been too much put out there at a constant rate it's inevitable that quality will drop.

Instead of dragging out ideas that were rejected for TNG, DS9, and Voyager (and we all know of more than a few stinkers that made it there anyways), they should just stop making the stuff for a while. Give the fans a chance to hunger again. Then, perhaps in 2009 or so, crank up the machine and have at it again.

But, as long as there's a buck to be bled out of the franchise, they'll probably instead just keep cranking out crap. That's a truism in our vertically integrated Hollywood these days. Heck, /.ers might like to pick on them, but the fact is that you don't even need B & B to ruin it anymore...

Re:WTF?

[Jhan]

... Journalistic integretity my arse.

I'm agreeableistic. Propositively disintegretitilyist. ...-ish. ...-able.

Make a reality show

[gelfling]

Enterprise, the Reality show.

A house full of goofy retards who dress and act like ST characters and pretend to have a real life.

Go ahead mod me, I got more.

Good season

[Zed2K]

This season has actually been really good. They are back to earth and doing missions around the neighborhood instead of crazy time travel crap. The biggest problem is Berman himself. He's an idiot.

Uneven show

[Orp]

Personally, I thought the Xindi storyline was quite good.

Then this awful, awful storyline on Soong's mutants or whatever. Almost too painful to watch. Terrible, terrible, terrible.

Then the Vulcan thing - pretty good again. But, alas, that storyline seems to have come to a somewhat abrupt close.

I haven't seen the latest episode. Tivo tells me it's about transporter technology or something. I wish they could have extended the Vulcan thing, I think there is some good stuff to explore there.

I just think the show has been uneven, not horrible, when you average the good and the bad you kind of end up on the good side of "meh." I am "Berman agnostic" - quite honestly I don't know or care why people hate him so. I enjoy what I enjoy and I think it will be too bad if Enterprise dies, and I certainly think there is more ground to explore in the Stark Trek future.

Too Bad... But does it really matter

[Mik3D]

I will certainly miss Enterprise... It was always a fun glimpse into star trek history.

That being said, with the new Battle Star Galactica series out I guess I won't miss it as much. BSG is head and sholders above Enterprise in terms of writing, acting and effects.

It seems like the last few Star Trek series (DS9, Voyager, Enterprise) have been constantly pushing to be more "gritty" and "real" than the previous series, BSG trumps them all in this respect.

Title for the next movie?

[Mystical Presence]

Givin the subplot to the last movie, I'm guessing the next one will be called "The Search for Data" or possibly that be "Data Mining"?

Berman isn't the problem- rehashing is

[SuperBanana]

if Rick Berman were to show up on my porch selling Star Trek cookies, I think I'd still slam the door in his face.

I know everyone loves to bash Berman, but to be honest, the problem isn't him. Rather, after twenty seasons of Star Trek, pretty much every plot had already been exhausted. If you think he was the first to recycle material, well- how many times did the crew get "trapped" in a holodeck world in ST:TNG?

There's a reason many call it Soap In Space. It's been formulaic and recycled for almost twenty years. The real problem is that the whole ST formula has completely worn out to the extent that no Vulcan sexiness will bring it back.

Re:used to be a fan...

[nomadic]

For a setting with so much potential and so many interesting ideas, the current caretakers have done poorly by Roddenberry's legacy.

What legacy? Roddenberry never did anything especially impressive. The original series' strength was the writers he managed to get (and who've publicly grumbled about how much credit he took for the things they did). His premise wasn't especially original, and he failed to actually come up with a consistent backstory to the series, which is why there were so many continuity errors and ambiguities.

The next generation's success was also due to the writers (and the design department). The less he had to do with it the better it got. The show's best seasons appeared after he died.

Please Don't Feed the Berman

[gadlaw]

If you feed this man, he'll just keep coming back. He'll keep coming back, raping our childhoods and messing with our memories of a great Star Trek series and a pretty good Next Generation series. After that it's all been crap to include the killing of Captain Kirk in the most asinine nonheroic way possible. He doesn't deserve another penny from any of us to continue sucking dry Rodenberry's ideas and legacy. Don't go away mad Rick Berman, just freaking go away.

WHAT?!!?

[rscrawford]

Wherever shall I get my weekly dose of Nipples the Vulcan?!!?

Too much Time Tunnel.

[Odd John]

I have really fond memories of watching the original Star Trek way back in 1967-1968. I wanted to enjoy Enterprise. I really hoped they'd explore all the loose threads such as whatever caused the creation of the Prime Directive and First Contact with different alien cultures.

But I just got sick and tired of the stupid time travel stories. They travel back to the 1970's to play 'Starsky & Hutch' with aliens! He travels back to WWII to fight Nazi aliens! That was sooo disappointing.

They had a whole galaxy to explore and instead they wanted to remake the old Time Tunnel series! So I turned off the tv.

I expect Berman's big idea for a movie is just another time travel episode.

I will never forgive them

[JoeShmoe]

for the plotline comparing Vulcans to homosexuals.

You know...how the "bad intolerant Vulcans" wanted to oppress a minor group of Vulcans who couldn't help the fact that they could mind meld...they were just born that way!

The analogy was as clever as a knock knock joke as as obvious as a Mack truck sitting in your living room. It blew hundreds of episodes of Vulcan lore and mythology for a poor imitation of the Trek of years past.

Let's take a look at how the real Trek series handled controversial issues. TOS has the half-black/half-whites fighting the half-white/half-blacks. Still a classic and balls out the most in-your-face episode about racism I think I've seen in sci-fi. You could put the most inbred confederate-flag-waving Klan member down in front of that episode and he'd be the one who laughs and says what a ridiculous notion is was.

TNG was I think the first to tackle the issue of homosexuality where Riker visits that unisex planet and discovers that sometimes people are born with a sex, and have to hide it. The unisex angle was reallly smart because even a conserative Christian could understand what it would be like if they were stripped of their sexual identify (especially since they are very big on enforcing sexual identity, girls dress/act one way, boy's another). Even at a time where gay rights issues were barely on the map, that episode raised a very valid what-if that applied to any viewer.

DS9, while making it an obvious pandering to ratings by scheduling the episode during sweeps, also I think did good work with the Jax/lesbian episode. The issue was touched on earlier when Beverly Crusher fell in love with the first Trill/symbiote on a TNG episode, but at the end when the symbiote was put in a female host, it was a sad end to the relationship. DS9 took the other direction, where Jax still felt love despite the change and had a relationship with a woman. I don't know if this was the first lesbian kiss on television or not...but it wsa definitely something that riled people up. Still a little pandering tho...I mean, the symbiote could have just as easily been in an older less attractive female host...

Back to Enterprise. All Berman/Braga did was take the most generic tale of gay oppression and replace all instances of the word "people" with "Vulcan" and "sex" with "mind meld".

Somehow, I don't see this episode as becoming the theme song for the gay rights movement. What it did too was take all of the nobility and enlightenment of the previous four seasons worth of Vulcans and flush it down the toilet. The Vulcans who showed up on Earth back in First Contact were supposed to be these enlighted souls who had unified their planet after decades of war, who had turned away from emotion that let to nothing but conflict and embraced pure logic, who had conquered space and really owned the galaxy as far as it had been explorered.

Now, thanks to Berman/Braga, the Vulcan's are no better than humans, there's civil war, people getting high on emotions, racism/meldism, leaders using terrorism as a pretext for wiping out followers of another religion (cough cough, gee I wonder what analogy that is)

It's enough to make Sarak role in his future grave and make any Trek fan vomit in disgust. If there's anything that Trek fans would consider sacriledge, I have to believe it's turning the Vulcans into the squabbling mess that Enterprise depicts.

I'd rather watch a series that followed the life and times of the Voyager Borg kids than watch a single episode of Enterprise.

-JoeShmoe
.

Re:I will never forgive them

[JoeShmoe]

So let me get this straight...it's your contention that the black/white episode of Star Trek was not a clever attempt to have an episode discuss the controversial subject of racism...but only "an accident"?

The fact that these two warring races were essentially identical and that it was pointed out (by dialog in the episode) how silly it was to fight over something as trivial as skin color...that's not commentary on racism? That was an accident?

Well, sorry to break it to you, but guess what: it wasn't an accident. Read any interview with the writers and producers. They wanted to do an episode that dealt with black/white racism, as Trek was really quite revolutionary for its time having Asian, Russian, and black women on the cast. They wanted to do an episode about it, but we afraid that if they made an episode about black versus white, it would never make it on the air. The half-and-half concept was a brilliant way to have the exact same episode and fly under the controversy radar.

Oh and by the way: If the mind-meld episode had nothing to do with gay rights, as you content, why did they end the episode with a message from a gay tolerance group and a phone number to call for assistance?

-JoeShmoe
.

It's dead, Jim

[HangingChad]

Let it go already. The Star Trek franchise is now something like 40 years old? Or close to it. Let go.

What follows is just my opinion but I liked Star Trek better before it got so preachy and, for lack of a better word, pussified. Every so often you just have to say screw the prime directive and stick a photon torpedo up some mofo's tailpipe.

Re: Joe Straczynski

[Jack William Bell]

Ghod; Joe Straczynski doing Trek? That is like, well, bringing Linus Torvalds in to lead the Windows Longhorn team. It makes so much sense it could never happen.

OTOH Rick Berman can kiss my hairy butt. You could replace him with an baboon and get better results...

Even so, it's a better show than Enterprise

[doublem]

I think your review has proven the thesis that it's a better show than Star Trek Enterprise.

It had some GOOD episodes, the writers showed some promise and the show probably stands a good chance of being canceled now that the writing has taken a downward turn. As a result, we won't have to put up with the years of promos that Enterprise has subjected us to, and will have a reduced risk of running across it while chanel surfing.

And the good episodes even give it a decent viewer base to rely on should the writers rally and resume writing decent material.

All of these are advantages Enterprise never had. Poor writing, an excessive reliance on bad plot devices, and an inability to maintain any kind of internal consistency or continuity, let alone continuity with the other shows.

That, and on BSG, the hot chicks could actually act, and even make their characters somewhat convincing.

Re:The format is a little tired

[Frostalicious]

Enterprise has a really good cast, but the format or even the Star Trek genre is just stale and tired right now.

A popular theme here seems to be that Star Trek is worn out, tired, needs rest.

This is ridiculous. You got a space ship and an infinite universe, and you can't think of any original story lines? This is simply poor writing. Bring in good people and Star Trek could change tomorrow.

Lets see...

Voyager was about a ship lost in space, evading aliens and trying to get back to earth.

Battlestar Galactica is about...err..a ship lost in space, evading aliens and trying to get back to earth.

The reason only one of those sucks is the writing, producing, directing.

Top;ess T'Pol calendar !

[glrotate]

Maybe if we sold enough of them we could fund our own series!

Next Trek Movie is Doomed

[EEBaum]

With Nemesis as the last "even" Trek movie, only time will tell what a suckfe^H^H^H^H^H^Hdelightful gem this next "odd" movie will be.

Time for a new direction: Klingons

[Tablizer]

The idea of a Klingon-centric series seems fairly popular.

Set at the point soon after Klingons join the Federation, two human Starfleet cadets are assigned to a Klingon ship. It would be the ultimate culture clash.

Klingons have a wide appeal, such as football and wrestling fans.

Rumor false ... for now

[Random BedHead Ed]

This has been a good season, so it was nice so see this Slashdot story contradicted by this:

http://www.saveenterprise.com/sfxrumor.htm

So at least this season will stick around. Of course writing a letter in support of the series can't hurt.

Gave Up A Long Time Ago

[Ranger]

I gave up on Enterprise halfway into the first season. I enjoyed Star Trek V'ger when I stopped thinking of it as Star Trek. I gave up on DS9 when it turned into a Bajoran soap opera, but the turning point to suck came in Star Trek the Next Generation when they had that retarded episode, Force of Nature, that warp drive was wearing out the fabric of spacetime. I think they ignored it after a while, the way they ignored the Organians after the first Klingon episode in classic Trek. Doctor Flox is even more annoying that Neelix. So killing Enterprise would be a mercy. Though I think they could save the show by having Six of Nine hot oil wrestle with T'Pol in a remake of "Gamesters of Triskelion" using time travel to grab competitors. I'd wager 30 quatloos on that.

Re: Joe Straczynski

[farrellj]

Rick Berman is scum.

A friend of mine who is a certain well know West Coast fazine fan once ended up at a party where Berman was at, and talk about a glory hog. He actually was confused that she did want his autograph...

Berman is a cancer in the Star Trek universe, and the sooner he is removed, the better for Trek. I mean, there is a good reason that Majel Barrett (Gene Roddenbury's wife) has had very little to do with Trek since Next Gen....

Now, getting JMS to take over Trek...that is as you said, too sensable, so it would never happen. [sigh]

Ack, now people will think I am a Media fan...

ttyl
Farrell

battlestar galactica

[jimfinity]

---on the other side of the playground--- *waves all the star trek fans over to the brand new battlestar galactica jungle gym*

Just let go of star trek

[Enrique1218]

I feel it may time to relegate the whole Star Trek universe to television history. For one, Gene Roddenberry was the best creative influence on the show and now he has past on. The creative heirs of the show are gradually running out of ideas as evident by the rehashing of heroes, villians, and themes from different spinoffs. The themes of paradise, egalitarianism, enlightment, and global peace seem absurd in this post 911 world. Shows like Battlestar Galactica have more parallel with today's reality. The human struggle to survive with little hope in sight reflects our struggle with hatred that now pulls our societies apart with little end in sight. Last, the only reason any studio would consider airing another series is to ring every drop of commercial gain from trekkies. This will eventually leave a sour taste and overshadow the shows' real sucess in tv.

Rick Berman is the Devil, I want him dead.

[Scrameustache]

I know everyone loves to bash Berman, but to be honest, the problem isn't him.

You're confusing "honest" with misinformed/delusional.

I've been a Berman hater since 1991. Why? Because of a magazine article I have where he explains all that he thinks that is wrong with Star Trek. He basically lists all the reason why Star Trek became a phenomenon instead of a forgotten low-budget campy sci-fi show.

He hates the humanist message.
He hates the bridge cammaraderie.
He hates the para-military Starfleet mainly in charge of commercial space travel, exploration and self defense.
He hates the techno-eutopia of earth.
He hates the idea that humanity could grow and become better than it is now.
He hates the entire message that Gene Roddenberry gave us.

He then described how he thought Star Trek should be, and you know what it was? Exactly what the first 3 years of Enterprise was: Darker, lower tech, on-ship conflicts, etc.

When Gene Roddenberry died, they had a bust of him made. That bust was in Rick Berman's office, with a blindfold and earplugs on, because he damn well knew that Gene would not approve of what he was doing to his creation.
And you know what? The fans don't approve either, the commercial partners don't approve, the ratings don't approve.

The only reason his endaevours haven't COMPLETELY tanked is because of the recognizable brand-name. He's been riding the inertia of Star Trek's past quality, but he's been making nothing but crap since.

Rick Berman must die. Nothing short of this will save Star Trek: It's in the hands of am egomaniac who's been twisting something beloved by generations of sci-fi fans into his lame, insipid vision.
Had he made these shows from scratch instead of abusing a known setting, he would never had made it past a single season.

Re:Rick Berman is the Devil, I want him dead.

[Mant]

I think the problem with a lot of those things is they must make it very hard to tell interesting stories. ST:TNG brought back Sc-Fi to the small screen, but watching it now, man a lot of it sucks, and is dull and predictable. It was already recycling it's own plots.

Characters need some flaws to be interesting, humans who are better than us, a lack of conflict between the main characters, a utopia Earth are all pretty dull. You can't get much out of them.

If I had to write with those limitations, I'd hate them too. What can you do? Another space-time anomaly solved by technobable? Another holodeck malfunction? Another peace negotiation (that always works, never falls through and turns into war)?. Another Q messes with the crew? About the only thing TNG did well was actuall scary Borg (before the movie and Voyager messed that up).

Once DS9 developed an ongoing plot it absolutely kicked arse. Darker, with some more flawed characters and a more flawed federation, it was much more interesting.

Re:Rick Berman is the Devil, I want him dead.

[JudgeFurious]

Maybe you're on to something here. Could it be that this isn't the Rick Berman of "our" universe? Could it be that this is the mirror universe Rick Berman and he just shaved off his trademark mirror universe goatee? Could this all be intentional?

I think you're right and I think he needs to die.

And by the way, the simple fact that Battlestar Galactica rocks and Star Trek is terrible should tell everyone that the world has turned upside down. If someone had told me twenty years ago that I'd be getting my good SciFi from a remade Battlestar Galactica while Trek and Star Wars would make my stomach turn I'd have laughed till I cried.

All the things that Berman hates that you've pointed out oddly fit Galactica in it's new version but there they work. I can only speak for myself on this but the thing to me is that in the context of that story I want them there. I don't want them in Trek. They don't fit or work in Trek just as you've stated. It's like Berman is making a completely different show, poorly.

This entire season with all of it's episodes whipping out random items from the past (Orion slave girls glimpsed for what? 2 seconds?, augments doing a piss poor "Wrath of Khan" imitation, and the whole Sarek storyline with a Romulan thrown in has all been about trying to pull out the old "cool" and rubbing it up against the new crap to try and get some people interested again. It's no Bermans cool though. It's stuff that came from the body of work he's standing on as you said.

As for Friday nights this year I think Enterprise in all it's darker, lower-tech, on ship conflicted glory is doomed to get mugged by Galactica which frankly does what Berman would like to do and does it much better than he could ever hope to do it.

Good post and I couldn't agree more.

Re:Rick Berman is the Devil, I want him dead.

[slashdot_commentator]

You REALLY need to check out the top rated episodes towards the last 2-3 years of TNG. There are some amazing writers that really put out some wonderful episodes. (Tapestry (ep 141), Inner Light (ep 125), and a few others.) I'd argue that some of the TNG space-time episodes weren't bad. (They were much unlike the usual "go back to the past and fix history".) One of DS9's best episodes was a time travel episode (Trials And Tribble-ations). (Don't hate the plot device, hate the writer...)

Yeah, I'm more of TOS fanatic, but DS9 was my next favorite (seasons 3 to finale). (Of course, they did suffer from holodeck syndrome.)

Re:NEEDED: Sci-fi business model

[tm2b]

Relax, that's a Brit idiom. What we call "seasons," they call "series." So it is the finale to the "first series," where we would call it the finale to the "first season."

Employ Wil Wheaton!!!

[Dieppe]

Let Enterprise finish its run... but start work on a post ST:TNG/DS9/Voyager Trek with Wil Wheaton starring as Wesley Crusher as a captain on some ship... yeah, the same old story, but instead someone in Star Fleet who has a thing against Wesley for his hijinks at the Academy. So he's sent off with a crew who hates his guts, a ship that's barely functional, and sent to map some "badlands" type region of space.

Oh, or better yet... a new warp drive has been invented that appears to be able to traverse interstellar space and they need a crew to test drive it---so they point it at M33 and... No, not invented, that one that was "discovered" in the Gamma quadrant by Janeway and her crew...

Of course something goes horribly wrong... etc.

Not suggesting this because I hate Mr. Wheaton, of course.. but wouldn't it be cool to get him a job again NOT to mention the fact that many geek fans LOVE him. Not the ST:TNG character, as much, because he was a kid playing a role the best that he could written by adults who didn't know what they were doing.

Hm. I guess we'd have to get rid of Berman for that to ever happen, huh??

For crying out loud!

[soccerisgod]

Why not a season earlier?

Seriously. Enterprise is the wrost Trek series of all times, and that includes the future. The first two season were - though not exactly great - acceptable. But the third season was just unbearable. This whole Xindi thing was just plain stupid.

I for one would applaude the cancellation of this show. As others have said before, the franchise needs a break. Then, in perhaps 20 years time, we will see the likes of TNG and DS9 again.

Re:For crying out loud!

[Blitzenn]

Agreed! Enterprise was a waste of dollars. I would have to argue that DS9 was a really close second. It's only salvation was when they brought the new space ship online, what was it, Defender or defiance or something like that. That was cool and they should have taken another show off that thing. The 'ear-ring people' they could have lost at anytime as they were plain stupid. They added no value to the show and actually detracted from it in my eyes.

The xindi premice was good, the plots were far too drawn out and lack vision and 'cool' appeal. Gene Roddenberry would have turned in his grave. Voyager was a great series coming in second only to TNG, the best of the bunch by far.

Bashing a WWII hero huh? Classy...

[Scrameustache]

Roddenberry never did anything especially impressive.

In the Air Force, from 1941 to 1945, he piloted a B-17 Flying Fortress on 89 missions, including Guadalcanal and Bougainvillea. Among his several decorations were the Distinguished Flying Cross and the Air Medal.

It was on a flight from Calcutta that his plane lost two engines and caught fire in flight, crashing at night in the Syrian desert. As the senior surviving officer, Roddenberry sent two Englishmen swimming across the Euphrates River in quest of the source of a light he had observed just prior to the crash impact. Meanwhile, he parleyed with nomads who had come to loot the dead. The Englishmen reached a Syrian military outpost, which sent a small plane to investigate. Roddenberry returned with the small plane to the outpost, where he broadcast a message that was relayed to Pan Am, which sent a stretcher plane to the rescue. Roddenberry later received a Civil Aeronautics commendation for his efforts during and after the crash.

Not to mention fighting with studio execs of the 60's to have a multicultural crew, having a woman in a technical job, on the bridge, and a black woman at that!
He never did anything particularly impressive? sheesh.

TrekToday Says Coto Denies Cancellation Rumor

[reallocate]

Hello? Anyone actually read anything?

TrekToday is actually reporting the showrunner's, Manny Coto, denial of the cancellation rumor. Rather the opposite of the Slashdot tease.

As for the alleged March production crew layoffs, Coto says Enterprise production always ends in March.

I really was enjoying this season

[Mustang Matt]

I thought this season was top notch so far.

I think Scott Bakula makes an excellent captain for the show. My biggest complaint is how some (all?) of the episodes have become mirrored controversial topics of today. All the cloning and intolerance of this and that... whatever. I'm sick of political correctness propaganda.

Friday Night: The nerd timeslot

[Syncdata]

You have two similar shows, they can't resist putting them in conflicting time slots

I'm convinced that this will happen into the forseeable future, because of the view networks have on the target audience of Sci-Fi shows. This thinking is as follows

Friday nights are prime party hours right?
People at parties aren't watching TV.
Nerds don't go to parties.
Therefore, all programming that appeals to nerds gets slapped into the friday night timeslot, while shows with broad demographics across the norm audience go in throughout the week.

Farscape? Check
Stargate? Check.
Enterprise? Check that
Firefly? Doublecheck.

This is just recent history too. I noticed this trend many many moons ago.

Actually

[geekoid]

I think a darker grittier Star Trek would be a good thing, but it needs good direction and writing.

No, it wouldn't.

[Grendel Drago]

Why would you tie the hands of a genius like Straczynski with the weight of too damn much shitty, contradictory continuity?

Justin Rye's commentary is a good place to start on it. At the bottom of most pages where it says "Star Trek does x wrong", it says "Babylon 5 did x right, and here's how".

For example, when the crew can beam onto the Borg ship, they can blast a few things with phasers, but don't think to bring, say, a five hundred megaton nuke into the center of the ship and set it to detonate as soon as they clear out. Babylon 5? (Spoilers for the end of season three here.) When Sheridan goes to Z'Ha'Dum, he brings nukes with him. Not "quantum torpedoes" or some treknobabble crap that doesn't sound ooh-we're-hippies-nuclear-scary, he brings a fucking nuke. (Well, two, for good measure.)

It suffers from the same problem that Xander's muscles did in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. How strong is Xander---does he get beat up by one regular vamp, or can he hold his own against an invading army of Turok-Han---"they are to the vampire what the Neanderthal is to humans"? It depends on how convenient it is to the plot.

The problem, in both cases, is giving someone way, way too much power, and having to nerf tham with stupidity because otherwise they'd be unstoppable. Which, incidentally, is why Batman rocks, and why Superman is a fucking tool. (For a list of Trek-tech which has to be ignored in subsequent episodes because they're overpowered, see here.)

Look, if you want brilliant SF, give JMS or Joss Whedon a fat check and a full season to prove themselves. Trek has become synonymous with SF. (I at least hope that 'Star Wars' has more of an association with fantasy than SF.) That needs to change. Netcraft Confirms---Trek Is Dying.

--grendel drago

thank god the misery is over!

[dwntwnboi]

look, the following is opinion. you may strongly disagree, so be warned.

that show has f*cking sucked since the 3rd episode. struggle after stuggle, from blalock's emotional bleed-through and crack whorage on the space-drugs, and scott bakula's transformation from an incredible actor into a stilted hack, this show was doomed from the beginning. they alienate the hell out of trek fans, especially the older ones, with their horrible inconsitancies and poor background research, piss-poor dialogue and incompetant directing.

it started when rick berman and brannon braga made the borg sexy. they were the scariest foe in trek history until they gave the borg boobs-- and big 'uns. with voyager, you could really see the beginning of the decline as the budget increased and the amount of fabric or jeri ryan's body decreased. they have trivialized everything that was meaningful about trek and change the whole concept of it. it used to be about peace and diplomacy and scientific discovery. confrontation was rare, but certainly necessary, but only when it was necessary was it used. now you see everyone blowing EVERYTHING up because that's what get's the masses of america to turn on and tune in: boobs and lasers and explody spacebourne objects.

the sad thing is that you can tell that some of the actors really tried hard to make the show better by acting better only to finally give up. poor john billingsly. theonly good actor on the show, and he has such a small presence.

let us not forget poor Mayweather (as it seems the writers have). why is he there? just to fill space? why would they cast a regular actor if they're never going to give him any meaningful involvment in but a few episodes?

if you ask me (which you didn't, but whatever), this show has only ber-maga and the writers to blame. the fans tried and tried to save it, but they were the only onse being ignored. HA! that's what u get.

ugh, and the theme song...

Horrible Dilemma

[Rufus88]

This means that Sci fi fans are competing on which show they will watch, as opposed to being able to easily watch *both*

If only someone would come up with a way to watch one of the shows while it was being broadcast, but watch the other show later. Some way of "capturing", if you will, the video signal as it travels through the air or down the wire. Oh well...

I used to download the episodes

[Corellon Larethian]

because I missed the UPN Wednesday showing. That was only season 1, and a few parts of season 2. I watched through episode 13, and then a few through episode 22. That was back when Suprnova only took 5 seconds to pull up a page of torrents. Also, I think that was before Cox started offering UPN in my area; slowass fucks!

I'm not looking to specifically harsh anyone's gig here; I'm just calling it like I see it. It's just not the same without Gene being able to call up the episode writers/producers and ask "What the Fuck, Chuck?!". Gene was totally notorious about doing that, you know. Like Bill Cosby calling Eddie Murphy, sometimes he would just call up people and discuss the entire fucking universe for several hours on a Sunday evening. I heard rumors of him flying out to someone's house because they hung up on him, but that was back during the Undiscovered Country "For Gene" aftermath.

Honestly, I don't know if Meyer or Zimmerman have ever flown a B-17, or if B-17's even have a god damn thing to do with good episodes. All I know is I stopped watching after the first couple in season 2.

Morality 10%, ethics 10%, social structure 50%, politics 20%, and tits 10%.

I think that was the winning combo. Also, we need people cussing every once in a while. It's no big deal if the Limey does his "bloody" thing, because America wasn't in all those fucking wars that England got itself into. I think the engineer guy (Trapp?) could probably cut loose with some "hell" and "damnits", every now and then. We're not talking tit stickers on Superbowl Sunday, here; just a little bit of humanity in the mix. Minus the FCC Puritanism, that is. Maybe Enterprise just needs a few years off whilest we fucking do something about the prudes in the Whitehouse.

Didn't the Canadians burn that thing down one time?

FUD FUD FUD

[chrome]

The person who posted the story should have RTFA:

http://www.saveenterprise.com/sfxrumor.htm

I quote:

Popular British Science Fiction Magazine reported Enterprise set crew being fired in March.

According to SFX, supposed set spy "Trekspy" who works on Enterprise's set is due to be out of a job by March. "Trekspy" may be out of a job, but our sources confirm that this is NOT due to Enterprise being cancelled.

Our source say although UPN can pull the plug on the show anytime, the current plan on the set is to continue through the planned 22 episodes this season. The article is correct in that the last episode of the season (episode 22) will conclude principle photography in early March.

Manny Coto has also told TrekToday "It's another inane rumour. Right now, the crew is building the sets for episodes 20-21, which I'm writing. Rick [Berman] and Brannon [Braga] are writing episode 22, which is going to be fantastic!"

When did Klingons become ugly?

[Odd John]

Here's one plot I'd like to see. Remember in TOS the Klingons looked like humans with a little makeup. Then in TNG the Klingons looked like professional wrestlers with big hair behind the crab shell on their forehead. They even had a time travel episode where the TNG crew were on the space station with Kirk and the tribbles and they didn't recognize the Klingons. Riker asked Worf ''What happened?'' and Worf said ''We don't speak of it.''

Write a story arc for Enterprise where the Klingons try to genetically engineer their whole race to be super warriors. Build part of the plot on a racial war between almost human appearing Klingons versus the professional wrestler, butt ugly Klingons. The big ugly Klingons do a Rwanda style genocide and wipe out the human appearing Klingons and rewrite their whole history to make it appear they were the original Klingons.

Of course it's too late to do that now.