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Robert Zemeckis to Direct Beowulf Movie

jangobongo writes "Robert Zemeckis, who directed the Polar Express and Back To The Future among many others, will helm a new remake of the epic tale of Beowulf. Sony Pictures is in discussions to distribute the picture. (This version is unrelated to another remake scheduled to be released in 2005 titled Beowulf & Grendel, which is currently in post-production.)" I have no idea which version will make for a better film, but this one has Neil Gaiman and Roger Avary writing the script for it as well.

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  1. Neil by daeley · · Score: 4, Informative

    Neil Gaiman just posted about this in his online journal.

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    1. Re:Neil by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      We went off to Mexico together and wrote it as a sort of Dark Ages Trainspotting

      Trollspotting? (Like that would be a problem around here!)

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    2. Re:Neil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neil Gaiman writing it?

      Then they'll probably have an Author Preferred Edition, limited to a 100 copies, with an extra 12,000 words added to the script then.

    3. Re:Neil by ZhuLien · · Score: 1

      I hope it's as good as the Christopher Lambert version!

  2. Two modern remakes of Beowulf? by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Funny

    That sounds like the beginnings of a cluster!

    *ducks*

    1. Re:Two modern remakes of Beowulf? by BrynM · · Score: 5, Funny

      Imagine all of the bad geek jokes that will go around the IT staff of the production. I'd hate to be anywhere near that render farm! "If you tell one more cluster joke, I'm wiping the drives!"

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    2. Re:Two modern remakes of Beowulf? by bugmenot · · Score: 0

      You realize of course that unless they're all Slashdot readers, those jokes will in fact not even be known to them.

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    3. Re:Two modern remakes of Beowulf? by Olix · · Score: 1

      The really scary thing is that when I read this article, Beowulf Cluster is brought straight to mind rather than the Saga of Beowulf. It took me twenty seconds and a quick wikipedia search to understand what the film would actually be about. It would be cool if the film was about clusters though. I imagine it would be some sort of Tron type thing.

    4. Re:Two modern remakes of Beowulf? by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 2, Funny
      Then, of course, there is the cluster that runs off of Windows XP. It's commonly called the Grendel cluster.

      Or perhaps in the movie they can have a bunch of large Scandanavian men drinking mead in Beowulf's mead hall and seeing whose cluster can calculate next weeks weather patterns faster...

    5. Re:Two modern remakes of Beowulf? by Arcady13 · · Score: 1

      Also know as Microsoft ClusterFuck.

    6. Re:Two modern remakes of Beowulf? by Skippy_kangaroo · · Score: 1
      No, no, no! It's not "If you tell one more cluster joke, I'm wiping the drives!" its...

      "If you tell one more cluster joke, I'm ripping your arm off!"

    7. Re:Two modern remakes of Beowulf? by wkitchen · · Score: 1
      "If you tell one more cluster joke, I'm wiping the drives!"
      ... with your face!
    8. Re:Two modern remakes of Beowulf? by lazuli42 · · Score: 1

      #wipe

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    9. Re:Two modern remakes of Beowulf? by bokkepoot · · Score: 0

      Considering the amount of film adaptations (including the one episode with Xena) Beowulf is a cluster in its own.

    10. Re:Two modern remakes of Beowulf? by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      No, three. You forgot one from a handful of years ago with Christopher Lambert (of Highlander fame) in it.

  3. Awesome by AlexCorn · · Score: 1

    cant wait, this will be cool

  4. Let's hear 'em! by duck_oil · · Score: 1

    Let the jokes begin...

    1. Re:Let's hear 'em! by __int64 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I already called it; no Beowulf jokes.

  5. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Funny

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  6. obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the only reason Cowboykneel put this story up is to see the following 'joke' 10,000 times:

    Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of Beowulf films?

  7. Y.A.B by OverlordQ · · Score: 1

    Yet Another Beowulf movie? How many is this now? 5? 6?

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    1. Re:Y.A.B by l2718 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yet Another Beowulf movie? How many is this now? 5? 6?

      Indeed hopefully this one will be better than "The Thirteenth Warrior". That movie is based on a Michael Crichton book, "Eaters of the Dead", which is a rather amusing literary exercize.

    2. Re:Y.A.B by magefile · · Score: 1

      The movie was crappy. The book was good, though.

    3. Re:Y.A.B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The movie was good. But any book by Michael Crichton is crappy.

      (For an MD that guy has very little understanding of anything technical or scientific.)

    4. Re:Y.A.B by skinfitz · · Score: 1

      Yet Another Beowulf movie? How many is this now? 5? 6?

      Yeah - almost enough for a clus...

    5. Re:Y.A.B by DarkTempes · · Score: 1

      hey, just cause the thirteenth warrior wasn't plot-deep and was alarmingly like beowulf's plot doesn't make it bad. it had this really catchy theme song. and Buliwyf was a bad ass.

    6. Re:Y.A.B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a terrible bore. If I were you, I'd immolate myself before Al Roker on the Today Show.

  8. Now Dan can see the movie by Clock+Nova · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now Dan Rydel can finally say that he's seen the Beowulf movie and mean it.

    Casey: "There's no movie of Beowulf."

    Dan: "Then what the heck movie did I see?"

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    1. Re:Now Dan can see the movie by WearyVulture · · Score: 1

      Hmm, Naked Lunch and SportsNight references in the same post. Must check again if I'm really in slashdot.

  9. Could be interesting by chris09876 · · Score: 1

    I remember having to read beowulf during my grade 11 english class. I don't remember a thing about it :) Gotta love high school english classes.. I never had any great teachers and they always seemed to be a joke. The movie should be good though... a good director could really make it exciting to watch (and I quite enjoyed back to the future) :)

    1. Re:Could be interesting by GeoGreg · · Score: 1

      If you want to read a good version, check out the translation by (Nobel prize winner) Seamus Heaney. It's a good balance between rendering the poem in modern language while keeping the spirit of the original IMHO.

    2. Re:Could be interesting by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Were you in the same grade 11 english class as me? Mr. Young was a great teacher. Quit complaining.

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  10. Beowulf & Grendel: The Musical! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Featuring songs including:

    "Gonna kill me some dead beast."
    "I'm a monster, but I'm a human, too!"
    "This is a long ass poem."
    "Yes, that is a sword in my pocket, but I'll also glad to see you."
    "Epic? I'll show you epic!"

    1. Re:Beowulf & Grendel: The Musical! by the+Dragonweaver · · Score: 3, Funny
      The scary part is such things exist:
      Pickering, Ken, and Keith Cole. Beowulf, A Rock Musical. Schulenburg, TX: I. E. Clark, 1986.
      This item is the libretto for a British musical from the early 1980s. Beowulf, A Rock Musical is meant for school-aged children, and is notable for its depiction of Grendel as a black-hearted, leather-clad punk rocker with a cockney accent--a clear reaction against the punk's place as an anti-establishment icon in Margaret Thatcher-era Britain.
      The lyrics go, I kid you not, something like "Beo- Beo- Beo- Beo- Beowulf!"

      Found via Beowulfiana
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    2. Re:Beowulf & Grendel: The Musical! by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      Starring Troy McClure?

  11. Just imagine... by daveschroeder · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...a modern remake of this epic tale!

    What, expecting me to say something else? ;-)

    1. Re:Just imagine... by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

      If there are a bunch of sequels, do they call it a "cluster"?

    2. Re:Just imagine... by bitflip · · Score: 1

      Most around here are gonna be confused when they watch the movie and there's only one monster.

    3. Re:Just imagine... by saforrest · · Score: 3, Informative

      Most around here are gonna be confused when they watch the movie and there's only one monster.

      Proving the theory that Slashdotters know far more about Beowulf clusters than Beowulf.

      There are actually three monsters in Beowulf: Grendel, Grendel's mother, and the dragon. (Of course, Beowulf takes them on serially rather than in parallel, and he waits a good forty years or so between Grendel's ma and the dragon.)

      (Hell, even Xena got this detail right, though in the Xena episode it was (predictably) Xena who did all the arse-kicking, while Beowulf mostly looked pretty.)

      In fact, there are even more monsters if you count the monsters mentioned in random digressions, such as when Beowulf is meeting the Danes and mentions how he basically swam across the Baltic in full armour carrying a sword while fighting sea monsters.

      As an aside, for Tolkien fans I would recommend the essay The Monsters and the Critics by J. R. R. himself, which argues that the monsters represent the central theme of the Beowulf poem.

    4. Re:Just imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, Beowulf takes them on serially rather than in parallel

      You know you're a geek when you prefer "serially" and "in parallel" to "one at a time" and "simultaneously".

    5. Re:Just imagine... by saforrest · · Score: 1

      You know you're a geek when you prefer "serially" and "in parallel" to "one at a time" and "simultaneously".

      Yeah, but I kind of gave up any non-geek cred when I posted about Beowulf and J. R. R. Tolkien on Slashdot.

      Actually, I gave up any non-geek cred a long, long time ago. Probably during my Transformers phase.

  12. Maybe something like HSS? by sam_handelman · · Score: 1

    Remember the story about the computer program that is supposed to pick out hit songs?

    Is there some computer somewhere telling people to make Beowulf clones?

    I mean, I can see why a studio trying to cash in on the latest formula (Lord of the Rings) would be making a movie of Beowulf (I was surprised to see only one King Arthur movie) but two of them at once? Come on!

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    1. Re:Maybe something like HSS? by nsasch · · Score: 1

      To calculate a hit movie would take a lotof CPU time, however, a Beowulf cluster would probably be able to do it.

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    2. Re:Maybe something like HSS? by kid-noodle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Tell you what, read Neil Gaiman's blog on this, which the terrifyingly sane and sensible first poster linked.

      And then retract your initial comments, when you realise that a. Gaiman is one of the two writers, b. he wrote it a while ago and Dreamworks rejected it, c. Bob Z. is making it because he was blown away by Gaiman's script.

      Then start to midly freak out because it's going to be motion capture. Like Polar-Bloody-Express.

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    3. Re:Maybe something like HSS? by flyingsquid · · Score: 1
      Is there some computer somewhere telling people to make Beowulf clones?

      It's a very common thing in Hollywood to do copycat movies. For instance you had two asteroid movies at once (Deep Impact and Armageddon), and Dreamworks did Antz as a copycat of Bug's Life, and Shark Tale as a copycat of Finding Nemo. Apparently it's pretty vicious- _The Hot Zone_ was being made into a movie but got shelved after that awful disease movie with Cuba Gooding Jr. ended up further along in production.

    4. Re:Maybe something like HSS? by unitron · · Score: 1
      "Is there some computer somewhere telling people to make Beowulf clones?"

      Not a computer, more like a clu...

      On second thought, never mind.

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  13. epic tale of Beowulf by krgallagher · · Score: 1
    "Beowulf & Grendel"

    I know that Beowulf is a cluster of Linux servers, but what is a Grendel?

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    1. Re:epic tale of Beowulf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A cluster of Windows servers, a real beast.

    2. Re:epic tale of Beowulf by furball · · Score: 4, Funny

      Grendel is an unfinished Java-based mail client.

      http://www.mozilla.org/projects/grendel/

    3. Re:epic tale of Beowulf by goneutt · · Score: 1

      I'm still not sure what a Grendel is, but on automatic transmissions you see "Prendels"(PRND321)

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    4. Re:epic tale of Beowulf by mindriot · · Score: 2, Informative

      Depending on where you look, a Windows/Linux MUD server, or a Mozilla project building a mail/news reader entirely in Java.

      Who'd have thought they'd make a movie of that? ;)

    5. Re:epic tale of Beowulf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a grendel is the part between your balls and a$$...ohh thats a grundel, nvrmind

    6. Re:epic tale of Beowulf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "I know that Beowulf is a cluster of Linux servers, but what is a Grendel?"

      I think the parent should be modded down because Grendel is a Troll!

    7. Re:epic tale of Beowulf by Holi · · Score: 1

      Grendel is my dog. He is a mutt, 1/2 Rotweiller/Shepard and 1/2 Malamute. Quite frightening to see if you don't know him but really gentle with the wee ones. 100 lbs of shedding lapdog.

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    8. Re:epic tale of Beowulf by Txiasaeia · · Score: 1

      No idea if this is a joke, but for those of you who *really* don't know who Grendel is, it's the monster in _Beowulf_. There's also a fairly recent book entitled _Grendel_ that looks at the entire story from the monster's point of view; as far as I can remember Grendel is much less "monstrous" and Beowulf is much more "shiny warrior going to kill, kill, kill!"

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    9. Re:epic tale of Beowulf by bladesjester · · Score: 1

      And I thought my pup was an awkward lapdog. Half begal half collie that looked like a collie sized begal on steroids.

      That's what I got for always having him in my lap as a puppy. I do miss him at times.

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    10. Re:epic tale of Beowulf by IdahoEv · · Score: 1

      I know that Beowulf is a cluster of Linux servers, but what is a Grendel?

      A cluster of Windows servers, it would have to be, wouldn't it?

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    11. Re:epic tale of Beowulf by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      It's PRNDL, for those wonderfully crappy cars that only have 2 forward gears.

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    12. Re:epic tale of Beowulf by oops · · Score: 1

      It's an old epic (17min) Marillion song. Lifting heavily from Genesis and Rush.

  14. The Book by Bionic_Baboon · · Score: 1

    I had to read the book for school and was relly looking foward to it, until I found out it had nothing to do with clusters.

  15. Forrest Gump by vladd_rom · · Score: 1

    Robert Zemeckis was also the director of Forrest Gump. This movie has the potential to have a pretty wild success.

    1. Re:Forrest Gump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zemeckis was also the director of Polar Express, and rumors are that he will use motion capture in Beowulf as well.

    2. Re:Forrest Gump by strelitsa · · Score: 1

      Let's hope that Zemeckis has better luck with this one than he did with that atrocious CGI-fest called The Polar Express. Considering the rich source material Zemeckis had to work with, Ed Wood could have done a better job.

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    3. Re:Forrest Gump by dbIII · · Score: 1
      Robert Zemeckis was also the director of Forrest Gump. This movie has the potential to have a pretty wild success.
      According to the court it was a financial failure. On paper Forrest Gump didn't make a dollar, which pissed off the writer a great deal since he was to be paid a share of profits. In the end it was proved to the court that Forrest Gump didn't make a dollar in profit. Strangely the IRS didn't care about this IMHO fraud for the purposes of tax evasion, because Hollywood does it all the time. when Hollywood gets a law enacted or enforced for their benefit, it's your tax dollars at work and not theirs.
    4. Re:Forrest Gump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      more important to us here is that he made Contact based on the book by Carl Sagan. I really liked that movie. one of the more interesting scifi movie that i have seen. it was somehow not this nonsense action movie stuff like I, Robot with Will Smith turned out to be. (even though i enjoyed that movie , it was mot because of the scifi speculations behind it).

      so with Neil Gaiman as the writer (and executive producer) and Zemechis as a director this could be really good. probably better then the movie that was shot here in Iceland. somehow i'm never very optimistic for movies done in iceland. but then Gunnar Sturluson could pull this of. he grew up in canada.

    5. Re:Forrest Gump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sturla Gunnarsson is his name. not Gunnar Sturluson . :P sorry

  16. english class... by carrett · · Score: 1

    every time i hear about beowulf i instantly flash back to 10th grade english class and start drifting off to sleep.

    i'm gonna cast my vote right now for the neil gaiman version right now just because i love everything i've read by him.

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  17. Best one yet? by StevenHenderson · · Score: 1

    Surely this can't be any better than the version with Highlan^H^H^H^H^H^H^H errr, Christopher Lambert in it!

    1. Re:Best one yet? by J_Omega · · Score: 1

      If you enjoyed the Lambert movie called "Beowulf," great!

      Unfortunately, about the only similarity with the epic poem it had was the title...

  18. Wierd Movie Trend by jbrader · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So now theres two Beowulf movies coming soon and two War of the Worlds. I think its interesting to watch interpretations of the same source material by very different teams of filmakers. But I think this is the first time airs of movies have opened so near each other in time.

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    1. Re:Wierd Movie Trend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was disappointed with the non-US version...the web site says they're editing it to be more 'pc' due to the tsunami event...I guess some people get crushed by a wall or water or drown.

      Whatever it is, I hate it when movies change their original vision because something goes on in the world (ala Spiderman)...screenplays are acts of fiction, and if they're good, become timeless.

      Doubly disappointing because this was the one that was going to get the book version right...I guess not...

    2. Re:Wierd Movie Trend by jhoger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah Hollywood whines about their copyrights being violated, but once again the public domain is where they get their best source material.

      -- John.

    3. Re:Wierd Movie Trend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two Alexander also I heard.

    4. Re:Wierd Movie Trend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're forgetting the two Joan of Arcs, and the two Haunted Houses. In each case they came out within a year of eachother.

    5. Re:Wierd Movie Trend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about the two lambada movies?
      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099969/ and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099595/

      Or maybe the two asteroid movies?
      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120647/ and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120591/

      I could go on, but if I missed some sort of dry humor it would be too embarrassing..

    6. Re:Wierd Movie Trend by Dirtside · · Score: 1

      Uh... so what? Things in the public domain are not under copyright; everyone has an equal right to make use of them. Why exactly is it hypocritical, as you imply, to want to protect your copyright, while mining the public domain for ideas?

      I don't approve of the way Hollywood is trying to protect their copyrights, but there's nothing hypocritical about both using public domain works, and caring about your copyright.

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    7. Re:Wierd Movie Trend by jhoger · · Score: 1

      Haven't you been paying attention? Sonny Bono Copyright Extension? Eldred v. Ashcroft?

      Big Media through lobbying has shown that they can and will extend their copyright forever and never allow anything into the public domain again.

      They benefit from material they don't own but which went into the public domain before copyright or before the current copyright regime. But they fight tooth and nail, and are not willing to let the works they control go out of copyright and into the public domain. In what way is that not hypocritical?

  19. Will they make one I'll notice... by goneutt · · Score: 1

    I did a quick IMDB search and found a 1999 beowulf, a sci-fi version. Musta been straight to video.

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    1. Re:Will they make one I'll notice... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      I did a quick IMDB search and found a 1999 beowulf, a sci-fi version. Musta been straight to video.

      Maybe next they will try a hiphop version.

    2. Re:Will they make one I'll notice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It's one of the most horrible movies I've ever seen. The beginning is good though, a beautiful girl that flees from a castle just to get brutally cut down by an army outside. I guess it was the surprise effect that made that good, but the rest was just a pain to watch.

  20. Grendel's Mom by weston · · Score: 2

    Grendel's mother is so fat, she have to... well... I mean, she's so... actually, I guess she is large, but mostly that has the effect that she's menacing to tough medieval warrior types. Hmmmmm.

    1. Re:Grendel's Mom by hunterx11 · · Score: 1
      She's a real MILF according to Beowulf.

      Mother I'd Love to Fight.

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  21. The sad thing is... by TooMuchEspressoGuy · · Score: 3, Informative
    ...that once Neil Gaiman is done writing an epic, intelligent script akin to his work in the medium of novels and graphic novels, Hollywood execs are probably going to pick it apart piece by piece. In the end, it will likely be just a bunch of random action sequences with little in the way of plot to tie it together, and with Neil's name attached to it to attract his fans.

    Then again, Hollywood hasn't ruined *everything* it has touched (think of the LotR movies.) There might still be hope.

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    1. Re:The sad thing is... by Brett+Buck · · Score: 5, Funny

      But those hollywood execs are just working for our best interest! Good story, it just needs a little "punching up" - you know, a few car chases, explosions, and maybe a wise-cracking robot! People like that.

    2. Re:The sad thing is... by NTiOzymandias · · Score: 3, Funny

      There is no possible way that they can make this movie as bad as the 1999 version.

      There are a lot of really bad movies out there, it's true. Most of the moderately bad ones are boring; the truly terrible ones actually end up being fun to watch simply because they're such absolute crap. When they premiered the infamous "Manos: The Hands of Fate," the audience actually laughed uproariously.

      But there is no redemption for the '99 Beowulf.

      Imagine it.... Sitting there for two hours, unable to divert your gaze from the putridly pointless hellspawn on the screen before you. Your very soul, wrapped in a straitjacket with a crappy techno soundtrack, screams in vain for help -- and yet nobody will help you. Nobody will help you!!!

      YOU CAN FEEL YOUR BRAIN MELTING AND DRIBBLING OUT AROUND YOUR TERRIFIED EYEBALLS!!!!!

      Watching Beowulf '99 is much like being lobotomized.... one brain cell at a time. If Hollywood EVER outdoes that despicable feat, I'll wear a cowboy hat and then eat it.

    3. Re:The sad thing is... by Jameth · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's worth noting that Neil Gaiman also signed on to do the rewrites, so the changes they make will be going largely through him. Also, Zemeckis and the others working on it are usually good, so I wouldn't give up hope just yet.

    4. Re:The sad thing is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that once Neil Gaiman is done writing an epic, intelligent script akin to his work in the medium of novels and graphic novels,

      HAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, that would be the day.

    5. Re:The sad thing is... by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Fruit cart!

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    6. Re:The sad thing is... by starwed · · Score: 1

      Gaiman's already experienced that, and then written a short story about it... "The goldfish pool and other stories" from Smoke and Mirrors

    7. Re:The sad thing is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, unlike the Lord of the Rings, where the Peter Jackson and crew fought to maintain a sense of integrity regarding the scripts, Neil Gaiman appears quite happy to go where the money is.

      Witness his series of Author Preferred Editions that has just been launched with a revised American Gods. All his books will be revised and expanded - but only in limited edition... guess the money means more to him than artistic integrity?
      (The bulk of his fans will just have to be content knowing that a few thousand people get to enjoy the books "how they should have been written". It's just a pity that he couldn't have fought for them to have been released that way in the first place... or maybe it's just easier than writing new, original stories?)

    8. Re:The sad thing is... by Rod+Beauvex · · Score: 1

      Beyond the fact that they over hyped them and got us all sick of them before they hit the theaters? No, they didn't ruin them, and here's my theory why:

      I find myself wanting to believe that the LOTR movies wern't screwed up because the Hollywood Executives themselves had to sign some binding, restrictive contract that spelled out what they could and could not do when using the properties associated with LOTR.

    9. Re:The sad thing is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're going to have a fruit cart being overturned you'll also need to have stacks of boxes which burst open when you drive through them and loads of chickens fly out.

    10. Re:The sad thing is... by G-funk · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, sounds like you've never seen american ninja 5, or cyborg cop, or freddy got fingered.... God I hate that movie, I'll never get my brother back for that. He seems to think project viper was fair game, but I beg to differ.

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  22. should have subtitles by bird603568 · · Score: 0

    they should spead old english and have modern english subtitles it would make the movie even better

    1. Re:should have subtitles by CrankyFool · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes! And they should name it

      The Passion Of the Beowulf.

    2. Re:should have subtitles by bird603568 · · Score: 0

      why do i never get +1 but the people that respond to me do?

    3. Re:should have subtitles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've heard that it is actually going to have subtitles - in cuneiform!

    4. Re:should have subtitles by hunterx11 · · Score: 1

      I only read Futhark, you insensitive clod!

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    5. Re:should have subtitles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only read Futhark, you insensitive clod!

      That's doubtless very helpful for reading continental European inscriptions, but I hope you can handle the English futhorc as well...

      (And I really wish fucking Slashdot could handle thorns. GET WITH THE FUCKING TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY AND SUPPORT UNICODE ALREADY! Geeze...)

    6. Re:should have subtitles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I don't understand is why ð is ASCII but not thorn.

    7. Re:should have subtitles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because moderators don't get "subtle".

      Moderators in general are the under-20 masses of geeks whose knowledge of pop culture (hell, culture in general) only extends to Buffy, Monster Garage, and Eminem.

      To them, these are all full of biting satire and the best Art our civilisation has achieved thus far.

      They just don't get anything else. Never depend on moderators - they are capricious and cruel, random and unreasoning...much like life itself :)

  23. But...? by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will it be done in Anglo-Saxon, or in that sucky post-Norman dialect?

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    1. Re:But...? by lordholm · · Score: 1

      Since, the story takes place in Sweden and Denmark, I suppose that Anglo-Saxon is the wrong language as well. It should be translated into Old Norse.

      And, IMHO Old Norse is about the coolest sounding language ever (closely followed by Anglo-Saxon).

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    2. Re:But...? by plasticsquirrel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Whatever language they decide for or against, the key to this movie is going to be in the settings and culture of the people. Anglo-Saxon art and ideas are very captivating, and if the directors use this well, they could make a very good movie. If they do not, we will probably end up with another ridiculous movie like Troy.

      On a side note, Rohan from the Lord of the Rings books/movies is based on Anglo-Saxon culture. In fact, the Theoden character takes his name from a character in Beowulf, (Th)eoden. Tolkien resented the Norman invasion, and believed that it had destroyed Anglo-Saxon culture. I think that this is reflected in Rohan (Anglo-Saxon) and Gondor (post-Norman), and their roles in the books.

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    3. Re:But...? by saforrest · · Score: 1

      I think that this is reflected in Rohan (Anglo-Saxon) and Gondor (post-Norman), and their roles in the books.

      That's a little dubious. Tolkien goes out of his way a number of times to portray the Numenoreans as somehow nobler and better than the other peoples of Middle-earth, including the Rohirrim to whom they were historically related.

      Now, that's not to say that Gondor hadn't fallen from its original lofty ideal, but I get the impression he still favoured Gondor over Rohan. He admired the heroism and enthusiasm of the Rohirrim, but still regarded them as rather primitive.

    4. Re:But...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Hwaet?

      I actually went and dug out my 3rd Edition of Klaeber's text of Beowulf (pretty much the standard btw if you want to read the poem in the original language)

      Here's what he said, "The transmitted text of Beowulf shows on the whole West Saxon forms of language, the Late West Saxon ones predominating, with an admixture of non-West Saxon, notably Anglian, elements."

      And yes, Virginia, even if university English departments refer to the language as "Old English" or "Anglo-Saxon" the Medievalists tend to refer more specifically to dialect; West Saxon was as close to a "standard" dialect as existed at the time--it was merely the one in most regular use.

      Heck, as clos as they can figure, something as important as Caedmon's Hymn was in Northumbrian!

      This is not to say that the other dialects were trivial in importance--dialects still exist in British English although the printing press, the printer Caxton, and the wild popularity of Chaucer conspired to reduce the number of dialects in England by Shakespeare's time.

  24. Riiiiight. by And+They+Called+Her · · Score: 3, Funny

    Proof that the only idea that still exists in movie-making is 'Let's drag X up and recycle it.' I predict the Beowulf movies will be at least as good as Troy and Alexander.

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  25. Beowulf II by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hollywood is a ridiculous echo chamber. After a millenium and a half, they finally make a Beowulf in 1998, after a century of movies, so they make another in 1999. Then they make another two in 2005. They're more "me, too" than Usenet. Ever since the biz stopped being run by gamblers, it's gone straight down the tubes.

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    1. Re:Beowulf II by siegesama · · Score: 1

      Don't forget The 13th Warrior in 1999.

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    2. Re:Beowulf II by ari_j · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Beowulf film with Christopher Lambert is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. I made a more accurate cinematic version of the epic poem for my high school English class, entitled "The Beo Wulf Project." With WWF wrestling, running through the woods, and driving a pickup truck like listening to Extreme, it was still better than the 1999 film.

    3. Re:Beowulf II by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously are not a connoisseur of fine sci-fci drama. I belive you missed the incredible performances by Rhona Mitra (The original live action Lara Croft model for Eidos Interactive's) or the erotic Layla Roberts (Playboy Playmate of the Month October 1997), who plays herself in Wet & Wild: Slippery When Wet (2000).

  26. Yeah by Pan+T.+Hose · · Score: 5, Funny

    Awesome
    cant wait, this will be cool

    Yeah, just imagine it!

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  27. A lot by Pan+T.+Hose · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yet Another Beowulf movie? How many is this now? 5? 6?

    There's a lot of them. It's like an entire cluster of movies.

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  28. Clusters by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 2, Funny

    Will it include honey nut clusters or just them weird computer-thingy-ma-jiggy ones? We don't want to confuse the public with their breakfast and spyware infested super networks now do we?

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  29. Grendel's Mom by twoes00 · · Score: 1

    We'll finally be able to see who Grendel's Mom really is...

  30. LEGACY OF HEOROT by big_a · · Score: 1

    It's too bad that neither film is based on the LEGACY OF HEOROT
    by Larry Niven, Steven Barnes, and Jerry Pournelle. I really enjoyed this book when I read it, but it's been a while.

    1. Re:LEGACY OF HEOROT by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Stop trying to jinx this shit! I refuse to let someone make a movie out of any of those books until they do Footfall. Frankly everything Niven has written or co-written would be great material for a movie, although in varying amounts. If sci-fi had a following like horror, he'd probably be sci-fi's stephen king. (Either that or piers hackthony)

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    2. Re:LEGACY OF HEOROT by ebrandsberg · · Score: 1

      I was looking for someone to mention this. I agree that for today's audience, this would be an awsome basis for a movie. That and "The Mote in God's Eye". I wonder if Niven and crew are just holding out for enough money to make these into movies, because they would be so good.

    3. Re:LEGACY OF HEOROT by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
      "The Mote in God's Eye", sure. But don't do "The Gripping Hand", god damn I couldn't stand that phrase after the third time they used it. Then they used it 300,000 more times. ("I've told you a million times, DO NOT EXAGGERATE!")

      Actually I agree with another poster who said "Footfall" was a good candidate.

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  31. why can't the english ... by l2718 · · Score: 0

    Quoth Patrick Sauriol, News Editor: "The original Beowolf poem was written at least a thousand years old ..."

    Admittedly I'm not the authority Henry Higgins was, but still shouldn't this read "a thousand years ago"?

    1. Re:why can't the english ... by vranash · · Score: 1

      Nah, cuz everybody knows god(s) made the world in 1950, and as such it was made to sound like it was a thousand years old, even though it's really just 55 :)

  32. the Gaiman factor by tverbeek · · Score: 1
    I have no idea which version will make for a better film, but this one has Neil Gaiman and Roger Avary writing the script for it as well.

    Doesn't that pretty much answer the question right there? I mean... no disrespect to the Icelander and his crew making the other film, but... Gaiman's shopping lists are more entertaining than most screenwriters' final drafts, and hardly anyone writing for any medium today does legend/mythology better.

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    1. Re:the Gaiman factor by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Damnit! Now you've got me itching to read his shopping lists!

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  33. Beowulf? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was disappointed...

    I was hoping this'd be from Niven's Known Space... the life and times of Beowulf Schaefer.

    ("Neutron Star" and "At The Core", for instance... even though the core story is a bit out-of-date given our current understanding... and something even Asimov had to revise in "Prelude to Foundation".)

    Heck, I wonder if anyone will ever do a video game (like Tombraider) based on the life and times of Miles Vorkosigan...

  34. a grendel is a lock by tinkerton · · Score: 1

    I can point you to millions of people who can confirm that

    1. Re:a grendel is a lock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmm like a password. so its a film about password cracking with clustered computers?? ill go see it :p

  35. These will be good, but I'm looking forward to... by Rob+Carr · · Score: 4, Funny

    the Mel Brooks version!

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  36. Beowulf high-performance computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought Beowulf was a high-performance computing cluster: http://beowulf.org and that's Grendel: http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/projects/beowulf/Grend elWeb

  37. Revisionist tripe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The lead is to be acted by Scandinavian hip-hoppe artist Will Smythe, and re-titled Beowulf and the Boyz. The move tagline is: Beowulf is in the Hizzy!

  38. Defenestrate Junk English! by fm6 · · Score: 1
    ...helm a new remake ...
    I'm not a language nazi. You can mispell, mispunctuate, screw up your grammar, and otherwise horrify your High School English teacher, and I won't flame you, just as long as I understand what you're trying to say. But I draw the line at people who chose their words because they look cool, regardless of meaning. In this case "helm" instead of "direct" is only mildly lame, but "remake" instead of "adaptation"? A remake is a new version of an old movie. Of course, words change their meaning, but "re" and "make" are just to simple and obvious to mutate that far.
    1. Re:Defenestrate Junk English! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly its in places like High-School English where you are encouraged and even taught to use $10 words where a $0.02 word will to. +5 points on your paper, -5 points in real-life where readability counts for more than sounding pretentious and academic.

    2. Re:Defenestrate Junk English! by bob65 · · Score: 1
      Sadly its in places like High-School English where you are encouraged and even taught to use $10 words where a $0.02 word will to. +5 points on your paper, -5 points in real-life where readability counts for more than sounding pretentious and academic.

      And interestingly enough, where the real academics happen, University English is where you are encouraged and taught to forget everything you learned in high-school English and use $0.02 words wherever possible without sacrificing clarity or preciseness. +5 points for efficient and clear communication on your paper, -5 points in real life where sounding sophisticated and "professional" counts more than readability.

    3. Re:Defenestrate Junk English! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And interestingly enough, where the real academics happen, University English is where you are encouraged and taught to forget everything you learned in high-school English and use $0.02 words wherever possible without sacrificing clarity or preciseness.

      ROFL! Man, you never majored in English, I can tell. "Elegant bullshit" is the standard description of the perfect English paper. Mine appeared to be marked half for style, half for content.

      And that's at Oxford.

    4. Re:Defenestrate Junk English! by bob65 · · Score: 1

      No, I never did major in English - but I did take a required 1st-year English course, and my experience was as I described.

    5. Re:Defenestrate Junk English! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, how ironic. I never thought of it that way.

  39. Everyone's missing a good one... by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check out "The Thirteenth Warrior" with Antonio Banderas, believe it or not. Based on the real writings of a travling muslim cleric that ran into a bunch of Vikings at a funeral. The novel/movie takes that and runs with it, right into the Beowulf story. Actually very enjoyable, and well done, I thought.

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    1. Re:Everyone's missing a good one... by MrScary · · Score: 1

      Sorry to dissapoint you but it is not. It was written completely by Crichton because he thought that Beowulf was boring.

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    2. Re:Everyone's missing a good one... by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not so! Crichton based his Ibn Fadlan character on a real man, and on a brief passage written by that man, which detailed his experience with Nordic people he called the Rus.

      There are plenty of resources, but go here for a quick discussion of how much fiction Crichton built on top of that scrap of old writing (a lot, obviously).

      Main point is, his notion for the tale was launched by that very real, cool piece of first-person history. Needless to say, that man from the Middle East was repulsed, initially, by the corse Norsemen. Crichton's Eaters Of The Dead story is one of some cross-cultural discovery, as much as the adventure/mystery of it.

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    3. Re:Everyone's missing a good one... by the+pickle · · Score: 1

      Uh, The 13th Warrior (the movie) was based on Michael Crichton's novel Eaters of the Dead. So, uh, it's not exactly "based on the real writings of a travling muslim cleric."

      Crichton's novel was loosely based on the epic poem Beowulf, but it's not trying to be terribly true to the original.

      p

    4. Re:Everyone's missing a good one... by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ah, but Crichton's genius was in taking the Beowulf story, and inserting a narrator in the form of Ibn Fadlan - the protagonist in the movie - who was a real guy, and really did write about his meeting with crust Norsemen. Check out this for some background. I didn't suggest that the plot of the novel/movie was based on that guy, but that that guy was a lunching point for the structure of the story Crichton built. Then, add some Beowulf and some HG Wells.

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    5. Re:Everyone's missing a good one... by zenneth · · Score: 0

      I wish I had mod points.

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    6. Re:Everyone's missing a good one... by NarrMaster · · Score: 1

      The Ahmad Tusi Manuscript that Crichton referenced in his bibliography as being the source of this story, is completely made up. The name of the translator Fraus Dolus is in fact two Latin words meaning both 'hoax' and 'fraud'.

      Taken from IMDB

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    7. Re:Everyone's missing a good one... by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      name of the translator Fraus Dolus is in fact two Latin words meaning both 'hoax' and 'fraud'.

      I can tell this is going to take a while. First, visit places like this page at MuslimHeritage.com for some background on Ibn Fadlan, a quite real person, whose travels on behalf of Caliph al-Muktadir were described in his "Rihla" - a twelve part description of his envoy experience. While up the Volga, he met the Scandinavians ("Rus") in question. He similarly describes the terrain and other peoples along his way. This man's writings have been translated directly from the Arabic into numerous languages, and have been referred to by poets and historians alike for years. From what I can see, the hoax you're referring to is actually the report of a hoax itself.

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  40. How much of Beowulf? (Spoilerish) by quantaman · · Score: 1

    I was quite surprised when I actually read Beowulf to find out that there's a lot more than just Grendel and Family, that just the first half of the book or so. Later on there's some warring, a lot more speeches, some speeches about warring, then a battle with a dragon. Yet other than some references that came from that latter section I'd never actually been aware of this additional portion of the story, it was quite perplexing while reading the book when I thought it had "finished" and I was only half way through! I can see why they do this, the Grendel bit of action really is pretty cool and is a much easier story to tell, but it changes the subject from the poem where it's a story about Beowulf (which includes a surprising amount of character growth) to the story of his battle with Grendel (which includes a bunch of cocky speeches).

    I really doubt it will be the full poem but I can always hope :)

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  41. Not going to make much money. by zymano · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I predict this wont do well. The red state people wont like this movie.

  42. A cartoon and anything with Lambert don't count. by glrotate · · Score: 2, Informative

    The 98 release was a 30 minute made for TV cartoon. The 99 release stared Chistopher Lambert. I really don't count either of these as serious screen adaptations. I'm glad that Beowulf has been taken on as a big budget production with a talanted director and writers.

  43. Re:Imagine a... by ZioCantante · · Score: 1
    Beowulf cluster of Beowulf cluster jokes.
    Damn!! I was not quick enough ! :)
  44. real men speak Anglo-Saxon by tinkerton · · Score: 1

    After the Normans came, they all started picking up all those wussy french words.

  45. Hollywood will run out of PD ideas by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So what happens once Hollywood has remade every story familiar to Americans and first published on or before December 1922? Will Hollywood finally get the guts to demand a repeal of the unwritten policy of perpetual copyright on the installment plan? Or will the entertainment industry all have merged into one conglomerate that incidentally doesn't have to worry about infringing its own copyrights?

    1. Re:Hollywood will run out of PD ideas by rbullo · · Score: 1

      Neither. They'll just keep recycling the old stories ad infinitum. Look at how many times they've done Romeo and Juliet already.

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    2. Re:Hollywood will run out of PD ideas by kalidasa · · Score: 1

      So what happens once Hollywood has remade every story familiar to Americans and first published on or before December 1922?

      They make the sequels.

  46. As long as it's not like that awful version.... by Alpha27 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    staring Christopher Lambert with short blonde hair, set in a post-apocalypitic world. Now that was a bad movie, and the overly used sex scenes didn't add to the movie, though were enjoyable for there moments of interlude.

  47. Grendel by tm2b · · Score: 2, Informative

    I hope that Gaiman takes some influence from John Gardner's Grendel , which attempts to tell the story from the monster's point of view. I wouldn't expect most writers to know about it, but Gaiman? It's a good bet.

    In short, it tells the story of how Grendel first tries to make friends with the humans and is attacked out of their fear, and then is later used as a scapegoat for Hrothgar's (the human king's) treachery. He responds by attacking out of anger at the humans' pettiness and hypocrisy, outrage at the storyteller's lies about him.

    Marillion did a song based on the book and it appears on their CD, B-Sides Themselves . The song is somewhat reminiscent of Genesis' Foxtrot in parts, highlighting Marillion's origin as a Genesis cover band.

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    1. Re:Grendel by ruste · · Score: 1

      JG's Grendel is a kind-of "monster as pubescent drama queen"-- highly recommended!

      But I read it in high school in conjunction with the Beowulf epic. My understanding is that Grendel was published to generally high acclaim and publicity, no?

  48. Wants to do it like 'Polar Express' by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 1

    Gaiman says Zemeckis wants to do it with motion capture, like he did Polar Express.

    Me, I think they could save a lot of money by just doing stop-motion with some plastic action figures of the characters.

    It'd look just as realistic as Polar Express did...

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  49. Panda wrestling by tepples · · Score: 1

    I made a more accurate cinematic version of the epic poem for my high school English class, entitled "The Beo Wulf Project." With WWF wrestling

    WWF? You wrestled pandas?

    1. Re:Panda wrestling by ari_j · · Score: 1

      You wrestled pandas?

      No, we beat them with crowbars.

    2. Re:Panda wrestling by ebrandsberg · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised that the WWE didn't do a spoof wrestling event after the name fiasco, where the wrestlers dressed as Pandas and Lions. That probably would have gotten them sued again though, but would have been hilarious to have seen.

    3. Re:Panda wrestling by ari_j · · Score: 1

      They can afford the lawsuits, and it truly would have been hilarious.

  50. When does the MOSIX movie come out? by TheLittleJetson · · Score: 1

    well, I tried...

  51. JG's Grendel by Skaboi · · Score: 1

    I too read John Gardner's "Grendel" a few years back. Although it's a short novel, it is an amazing look at nihilism and an interesting take on the Beowulf mythos. If I'm not mistaken, there was a cartoon version of Grendel made some time back....although I can't possibly imagine one.

  52. Or maybe the first by jfengel · · Score: 2

    Actually, the IMDB lists only one movie titled Beowulf, and it wasn't at all like the poem. There's also an animated short which sounds a lot like a project I have wanted to do for a while.

    Thing is, Beowulf is famous primarily because it's the oldest example of something, not because it's a particularly good story. At its core, it's kind of a dull story: a man goes out and beats up a monster. And that's the good part; in the second half he goes out and beats up the monster's mother, and dies in the process, but it's all kind of murky. (Sorry for the spoiler, but the book has been out for twelve centuries; if you haven't read it by now it's your fault.)

    In the original it's a fascinating read, from a linguistic point of view. The connections to modern English are tenuous but visible if you know where to look. The style is very different from the Greek-inspired poetry style we think of as epic poetry; the rhymes and meter are replaced by alliteration and a less strict line length with a pause in the middle.

    The new translation by Seamus Heaney preserves a lot of that and gives a good taste of the original, but it's important more because of its age than because it's telling a great story. (Though I'd love to have a reading of it by James Earl Jones.)

    I've actually wanted to do a Beowulf project myself, but instead of telling the story I'd read the poem aloud as narration to a nearly silent visual recreation of the story. Sort of a documentary recreation of the event, as accurate as possible in terms of costumes and set. The DVD would come with two soundtracks: the poem in English and the poem in the original, both synchronized to the visual. The actors would speak Old English when dialogue appears in the poem, with subtitles as necessary.

    The IMDB lists an animated project which sounds a lot like this, with some top-name actors as voice talent (Derek Jacobi, Joseph Fiennes). Harrumph.

    1. Re:Or maybe the first by Bloomy · · Score: 1
      And that's the good part; in the second half he goes out and beats up the monster's mother, and dies in the process, but it's all kind of murky.

      Murky enough that Beowulf survives the battle with Grendel's mother and dies after battling a dragon?

    2. Re:Or maybe the first by Metasquares · · Score: 1

      *Spoiler*

      Beowulf doesn't die beating up Grendel's mother, he dies beating up a dragon that threatens his kingdom many years later.

    3. Re:Or maybe the first by jfengel · · Score: 1

      Yeah, right. It's been a while. Actually, not that long. Oops.

  53. I hope they work Don Becker in somewhere by goodviking · · Score: 1

    That would be classic.

  54. Robert Zemeckis! by jsidious · · Score: 0

    I can't wait for the part where Beowulf and Unferth, portrayed as an animated bunny leap into the time-wagon to go back and warn Hrothgar that he is going to grow up to be an asshole.

  55. Not going to hold my breath ... by arhar · · Score: 1

    I'm one of those few that actually read and re-read the book for enjoyment and not for classwork, and I can say I'm NOT holding my breath. It's 99% probable that the movie will be completely shitty, and be like a 'Trainspotting' with swords and monsters.

    It is incredibly hard to get the movies based on books from another era right, because back then, people acted, talked and thought completely different from us. They had different dreams, they were interested in different things, etc etc etc. And most of the Hollywood pseudo-medieval garbage is only concerned with the outside - swords, armor, horses and all those things. I see no reason whatsoever that this one will be different.

  56. Website Linkage by J_Omega · · Score: 1

    I didn't see it in the post, nor in the cursory read I gave the replies.

    Anyhews, they do have a site for the movie:
    http://www.beowulfandgrendel.com/

    I'm hoping for great things from the Gaiman / Zemeckis duo here.

    Looks like there's no dragon in it, "yet." YET? Uhhh... epic epic? Not another Trilogy?!! Time will tell, I suppose.

    1. Re:Website Linkage by J_Omega · · Score: 1

      **EDIT** -- damnit, i DID preview it!

      The link I gave is for the SECOND of the two mentioned - the non-gaiman/zemeckis version. The B&G one supposedly has "no dragon YET!," not the G/Z version as I made it sound.

      Aw, hell, just mod it down...

  57. GroovyBooty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get some booty here! That'll keep you warm today! GroovyBooty

  58. Let's hope they tell it right... by popo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I just re-read the latest (and imho greatest) Beowulf translation by Seamus Heaney. (If anyone is interested in re-reading it, this translation is stunningly good.)

    The problem with making a major film version of the poem is that Beowulf is the most anti-Hollywood tale ever told. When most people summarize the story they reduce the lengthy plot down to something like this: a foreign hero comes to a land plagued by a horrible demon, slays the demon (and the demon's mother) and lives happily ever after.

    Unfortunately for Hollywood screenwriters, that's not the whole story. Beowulf is a far more modern tale about a rarely discussed subject: Life in the aftermath of fame. Its an almost depressing story about a hero whose greatest achievement occurs early-on in his career. Beowulf slays his adversaries surprisingly soon in the text -- and then must live on in an exhausted world (filled with far less glamour) for the rest of his long days.

    The story ends -- without another climax, without another conflict. At times the reader has to wonder, "where's this story going?", and the truth is: It isn't going anywhere, and neither is Beowulf. And that's the painful part of the story -- that Beowulf's finest years and greatest deeds are already done.

    Its hardly the stuff of Hollywood blockbusters, and the chances are good that the story will be Hollywood-ized with an abbreviated ending. A far more interesting (and accurate film) would include the bulky second part of the poem where the conflict shifts from man vs. monster to man vs. himself.

    -Popo

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    1. Re:Let's hope they tell it right... by popo · · Score: 1


      Sorry -- my roommate just blasted into me for saying that there's no more climaxes. Ok so there's the dragon story. Blah blah blah. Its an appendage. Its so less climactic than the Grendel fight its absurd.

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    2. Re:Let's hope they tell it right... by fumblebruschi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I just re-read the latest (and imho greatest) Beowulf translation by Seamus Heaney.

      I don't care for the Heaney translation myself--it's not faithful to either the letter or the spirit of the original.
      Just one example of how flat the whole thing feels to me: lines 499-501, where the Danish thane Unferth challenges Beowulf. Heaney not only mis-translates it, he misrepresents the whole scene. Unferth is described as "he aet fotum saet frean Scyldinga", literally, "he (who) sat at the feet of the lord of the Scyldings." That is, Unferth was the Danes' champion and sat in the place of honor. Heaney renders this "crouched at the feet..." which is not only incorrect but gives the wrong idea of Unferth's status. Unferth rags on Beowulf about his famous contest with Breca; the poet says he "onband beadu-rune", literally, "unbound a battle-rune." Heaney says he "spoke contrary words." Way to press the life out of it. Not only is that a boring phrase, it's incorrect. Unferth is not hostile to Beowulf. He's making him feel at home, by busting his balls a little like a drinking buddy would, and giving Beowulf a chance to boast about himself. Beowulf's answer makes that clear:

      Hwaet thu worn fela wine min Unferth
      beore druncen ymb Brecan spraece,
      saegdest from his sithe. Soth ic talige..."


      "Well, many things, my friend Unferth,
      drunk with beer Of breca you have spoken,
      talkd of his journeys. I'll tell you what happened..."

      I recommend getting Howell Chickering's facing-page translation. Or, if you don't mind putting in a little effort that, believe me, will be well spent, get Klaeber's 3rd edition of the Cotton Vitellius manuscript and Sweet's Anglo-Saxon Primer. You'll be well rewarded.

  59. Post 101 by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

    Waitaminnit, has Beowulf fallen into the public domain already?

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    1. Re:Post 101 by hunterx11 · · Score: 1

      Apparently Disney plans to make a movie adaptation and copyright it for the next 1200 years. I hear they're going to sue Seamus Heaney, too.

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  60. What about the Tain then? by panurge · · Score: 2, Interesting
    When is Hollywood going to make the Tain Bo Cuailnge? (The Cattle Raid of Cooley)?

    Has everything. Feisty queen, wet husband, flawed hero with spectacular attributes (Cu Chulainn did an Incredible Hulk transformation 1500 years ago), setpiece personal combats, battles, and a few additional legends to provide subplots. And it's Culture with a capital C, and no charge for an option on the script. Of course in the past Hollywood has struggled with the Irish language, but after Alexander I have a solution: Play Cu Chulainn with a Greek accent.

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  61. MIxed Bad Jokes,,, by wot.narg · · Score: 1

    In Soviet Korea, Old Beowolfs make clusters out of you!

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  62. Re:Imagine a... by aneurysm36 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    not funny

    stop posting it

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  63. Bay Wolf by dbIII · · Score: 1

    A funny thing is that after Neil Gaiman wrote this script, a lot of people he told misheard "Beowulf" and thought he had written a script for a "Baywatch" episode. He took this misuderstanding and used it in a creative way, writing the short story "Bay Wolf", which is about a werewolf detective hired to protect people at a beach gym from attacks by Grendel every night.

  64. Eaters of the Dead. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    I read Sphere and Congo, and realized that they were the same story---six to a dozen characters enter a remote and dangerous situation, half to two third of them die, and they return to civilization.

    I was pleasantly surprised that Eaters of the Dead didn't follow the same formula. It may not be your thing, but it's not like the five hundred page bricks that he craps out every year and a half to top the bestseller lists. ibn Fadlan was a real person, and a pretty interesting one at that.

    --grendel drago

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    1. Re:Eaters of the Dead. by temojen · · Score: 1

      It was the portrayal of Ahmad ibn Fadlan that was why I did not like either the book Eaters of the Dead or the movie The 13th Warrior. For the first third or so of the book, ibn Fadlan was portrayed as a devout muslim man. He was a teatotaller who maintained a distance from the bulgars, observing their culture but maintaining the dietary and social practices of islam.

      Upon meeting the Vikings, he suddenly changed his character (without reason), and became a heavy drinking, womanizing, pork eating western macho hero.

      The sudden change from a devout muslim scholar to a macho action hero was just too jarring.

    2. Re:Eaters of the Dead. by maguirer · · Score: 1

      I must've missed that part of the movie. I haven't read the book, though.

  65. I must have missed the point. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    I thought one of the major points was that Beowulf brought home the bacon, as well as the mad shiny riches, to his king and later to his people, and that was what made him so heroic in the story. 'Cause I remember that they were always talking about the loot that Beowulf collected.

    --grendel drago

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    1. Re:I must have missed the point. by MrResistor · · Score: 1

      That's kinda typical of the literature that came out of northern Europe in that general time period.

      Check out "Seven Viking Romances", if you haven't already. Seems like they all start out with something like, "This guy gets some of his buddies together and some boats and goes and kills some people and gets a lot of gold, which gives him the finances to do what this story's actually about." Seriously, I'm barely paraphrasing.

      Oh, and if you haven't guessed, "romance" apparantly meant something different back then.

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  66. Jeez! by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    This is a dork site! Someone else here reads comics! Right? Right?

    *sigh*

    Grendel is also a series of comics created by Matt Wagner, but with peripheral stories done by other writers and artists.

    --grendel drago

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  67. Re:HEY SLASHTARDS, GO GIVE $$$ TO THE MPAA AGAIN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's "hypocrisy", not "hypocracy", you burbling twatcrust.

  68. Get the book right? by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    Really, I'd only be satisfied if the British used Dr. Moreau's botulinum-anthrax hybrid to kill the Martians, then orchestrated a secret Masonic coverup. "Officially, the Martians died of the common cold. Any Londoners died of Martians."

    Anyone else a "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" fan here? Anyone?

    --grendel drago

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  69. Ha. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    Oh, man, if you believe that Hollywood cares about getting original material, you're nuts.

    Besides, they've got plenty of authors who optioned their estates, like Isaac Asimov or Philip K. Dick, so they can piss on their graves for many years to come.

    --grendel drago

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  70. Hmm. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    Have you seen 1995's "Theodore Rex"? I had the misfortune of picking it from a pile of tapes to pass the evening. It's... well, it has to be seen to be believed.

    Prepare to eat your hat, sir.

    --grendel drago

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  71. Beowulf Movie? by hunterx11 · · Score: 3, Funny

    So. We have seen many a slashdotter
    Grieve and grumble greatly over films.
    "Classics ruined!" they clamor. "Memories killed!" they cry.
    Should Greedo shoot first? Surely nay.
    Why then should they not whimper and whine
    When they hear this horror, a Beowulf film!
    Scyld Scefing? Shield Sheafson? Sam Soros?
    Which woeful name for the screen will be chosen?
    Michael Crichton told a tale once;
    The movie was made, many watched.
    Sadly it sucked. Sigh.

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    1. Re:Beowulf Movie? by unitron · · Score: 1

      In this one, Beowulf shoots first.

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  72. So.... by Snaller · · Score: 1

    ....will it be just the one, or a whole cluster?

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  73. Grendel by Kafir · · Score: 1

    There's also a fairly recent book entitled _Grendel_ that looks at the entire story from the monster's point of view

    I was hoping someone would mention that. That'd be John Gardner's Grendel , published in 1971. Which I guess is recent compared to the 8th century.
    "I was Grendel, Ruiner of Meadhalls, Wrecker of Kings! But also, as never before, I was alone."

  74. You mean jokes like.... by DrYak · · Score: 1

    - In Soviet russia, the beowulf cluster (of congresses) directs YOU.
    - All your movies are belong to Sony
    - Netcraft confirms : Robert Zemeckis is dying, he hasn't done any good movie since Evolution
    - ...and the opening sequence of the movie has already leaked on the internet : it contains a n3kid picture of Natalie Portman petrified with hot grits.
    - In north Korea, only old people watch movie about Beowulf, young people re-tell the story while playing in an MMORPG
    - I for one welcome our new overlords with bad taste humour.
    - ???
    - Profit !

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  75. Crichton by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

    I never watched it because the reviews of it were so awful, but Michael Crichton's book (EATERS OF THE DEAD) was actually a modern re-telling of Beowulf, and it was made into the movie THE 13TH WARRIOR, starring Antonio "youcantunderstandmythickaccent" Banderas.

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  76. Re:Imagine a... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm kinda new here but is this ok?

    In Soviet Russia Beowulf directs a Robert Zemekis movie.

  77. Neat, but... by sharkey · · Score: 1

    Does Grendel shoot first?

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  78. speaking of retellings of Beowulf by justins · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I read part of Beowulf in high school (of course) but didn't read it all the way through, and enjoy it, until I read Seamus Heaney's translation a couple of years ago. One thing I found striking while I was reading the later portion of the book, which wasn't required reading in high school, was how much Tolkien borrowed from Beowulf.

    He borrows from Arthurian myth among other things, but the whole bit about the thief sneaking in and stealing a goblet from the dragon, and the dragon razing the countryside, was obviously taken from Beowulf.

    In the grave on the hill a hoard it guarded,
    in the stone-barrow steep. A strait path reached it,
    unknown to mortals. Some man, however,
    came by chance that cave within
    to the heathen hoard. In hand he took
    a golden goblet, nor gave he it back,
    stole with it away, while the watcher slept,
    by thievish wiles: for the warden's wrath
    prince and people must pay betimes!


    Yadda yadda yadda... this etext translation isn't as good as Heaney's. :)

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  79. oops by tinkerton · · Score: 1

    These millions of people will actually say a 'grendel' is a 'slot'(*)! This could be going in the direction of an x-rated movie?

    (*) Ask anyone in Amsterdam, for example. Maybe ask it in dutch too.

  80. wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's a shining example of wikipedia's downside. Did you read through the quality of the article's written English? It was horrific. I've made some cursory edits, but it needs someone to re-write, methinks.