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GlobalFlyer Completes Record-Breaking Flight

ikewillis writes "Steve Fossett has successfully landed the GlobalFlyer in Kansas, completing the record-breaking flight and becoming the first person to successfully circle the earth in a nonstop solo flight. The journey of 37,000 kilometres has taken 67 hours, many of them fraught with anxiety over whether the custom-made GlobalFlyer aircraft had enough fuel for the trip. Fossett managed to touch down at 2:48 p.m. EST, to the delight of mission control staff, a small crowd and a marching band that had gathered at the airstrip to welcome him."

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  1. 67 hours no? by fembots · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The friendly article mentioned "The journey of 37,000 kilometres took 67 hours".

    What is unknown is the amount of fuel left when the craft was landed, I'm sure I'm not the only one eager to find out.

    1. Re:67 hours no? by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if it was jsut an instrument error, evaporation, or whatever else.

      Also, I'm interested in their fuel economy in the real world as compared to what they expected.

    2. Re:67 hours no? by ergo98 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What is unknown is the amount of fuel left when the craft was landed

      One would have to presume that they calculated the necessary amount of fuel beforehand to achieve the lightest flight weight possible. It seems inconceivable that they really lost 2,600 lbs of fuel and still completed the journey fine.

      I see three possibilities.

      -The whole "loss of fuel" thing was a huge publicity stunt that worked wonderfully. Oooh, the anxiety!

      -Their inflight measurements were wrong.

      -They REALLY overfilled it, and had plenty to slop around.

    3. Re:67 hours no? by iminplaya · · Score: 4, Funny

      You forgot to convert it to metric hours.

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    4. Re:67 hours no? by silvwolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      -The whole "loss of fuel" thing was a huge publicity stunt that worked wonderfully. Oooh, the anxiety!

      Article Link

      "When asked if the Mission Control team had overplayed the seriousness of the fuel shortage, Branson replied: "Incredibly, the thing is, in life truth is often stranger than fiction."

      Branson said he had expected the flight would either be disastrous or boring but "everything that could have happened seems to have happened. There has been a lot of drama.""

      (That was before the landing.)

    5. Re:67 hours no? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Informative

      Remember that at the last minute, they changed the flightplan to take a MASSIVE shortcut by cutting out the northern atlantic route and instead flying directly to Africa and across that way (due to preferential winds apparently) That would have saved a lot of fuel, which probably helped a lot.

    6. Re:67 hours no? by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if it was jsut an instrument error, evaporation, or whatever else.

      Or if it was just hype to add some drama to the flight and keep it at the top of the headlines. Wouldn't be the first time for an artificial crisis.

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    7. Re:67 hours no? by KUHurdler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "or whatever else."

      I guess my theory of a publicity stunt would fall in that category.

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    8. Re:67 hours no? by mboverload · · Score: 2, Funny

      How do you take a shortcut circling the globe? Last time I checked there's no holes going through the planet.

    9. Re:67 hours no? by sacherjj · · Score: 2, Informative

      His cruise altitude was 45,000 feet. Roughly 8 miles. With an efficient aircraft (which this is) you should have a glide ratio better than 30. So he should be able to glide 30 * 8 or 240 miles. The 200 miles figure seems much more likely than the 50 miles.

    10. Re:67 hours no? by Enigma_Man · · Score: 3, Informative

      The chute _was_ necessary to land properly, the info on the Scaled Composites site specifically mentions that. The plane had such a good glide-to-drop-ratio (I forget the actual term for that) that it made it extremely difficult to land. You couldn't get the plane to drop fast enough to land in any sort of reasonable runway, it would just skim over the ground.

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    11. Re:67 hours no? by mrdaveb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, they should take the shortest route around the world - just fly in a tight circle around the north or south pole!

      Oh, that's cheating? OK, make sure the route takes in both hemispheres - start just south of the equator, head straight for the north pole, fly round it and back again. I'd be curious to know what the actual requirements are for "around the world".

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    12. Re:67 hours no? by mmkkbb · · Score: 2, Informative

      the full load of fuel probably weighed considerably more than the empty aircraft

      The fully-loaded fuel tank was around 85% the plane's weight, IIRC, so you are correct.

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    13. Re:67 hours no? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Informative

      The actual requirements are '36,787.559-kilometer minimum distance required for the arbiter of world aviation records, the Paris-based Federation Aeronautique Internationale, to recognize the feat.' There you go.

    14. Re:67 hours no? by Evil+Poot+Cat · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think the mission was looking really thin, until he found that fuel powerup over the Pacific. Then it was smooth sailing the rest of the way.

    15. Re:67 hours no? by espek · · Score: 2, Informative

      It would be near impossible to do this in a sailplane, mostly because you can only fly sailplanes during the day. At night there are no thermals to keep you afloat. that's why you need some sort of self-contained power source (batteries, or fuel). And to the gentleman from a prior post that does not seem to be impressed by this _amazing_ feat, I pity you.

    16. Re:67 hours no? by idontgno · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yes. Boost the sailplane to an altitude of 250 km and a Earth-relative velocity of 8 km/sec and the sailplane circumnavigates the Earth with NO further propulsion. FOREVER.

      I don't know why you'd want to orbit your sailplane, though....

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    17. Re:67 hours no? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Some gliders have 30:1 or higher glide ratios. I doubt that the global flyer has a 20:1 glide ratio.

      Since the global flyer looks just like a glider with a jet engine bolted on, I wouldn't doubt it all that much.

    18. Re:67 hours no? by georgewilliamherbert · · Score: 2, Informative
      I doubt that the global flyer has a 20:1 glide ratio.
      From: The Global Flyer aircraft description at virginatlanticglobalflyer.com we have the following statistics:
      Some facts and figures:
      - Wing Span: 114ft
      - Wing Area: 400ft squared
      - Length: 44.1ft
      - Height: 13.3ft
      - Gross Weight: 22,000 lbs
      - Empty Weight: 3,350 lbs
      That's an aspect ratio of 32.5, wing loading when the fuel runs out (assuming 200 lb pilot+gear) of only 8.875 lbs/ft^2. Induced drag will be trivial and you're only fighting wetted area drag.

      The best glider in the world? No. A darn good one? Oh, yeah.

  2. Congrats by Rei · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My congrats to the team. It's nice to see that the lack of testing at full fuel didn't do the mission in, and that they were able to take a position in the record books. :)

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    1. Re:Congrats by tehshen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They did more than take a position in the record books - they made a new record altogether. This sort of thing doesn't happen that often anymore, so it's nice to see someone trying something new as opposed to doing something old better. Congratulation!

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  3. Well, con-frickin-gratulations! by rearl · · Score: 2, Funny

    Really!

  4. Correction by Zebbie · · Score: 5, Informative
    The post says that the flight took "more than 80 hours," but the first link states the flight took 67 hours.

    Also FYI (37,000 km) / (67 hours) = 343.145285 mph ... pretty darn fast considering they were expecting an average of 285mph.

    1. Re:Correction by ari_j · · Score: 2, Informative

      Regarding the speed, are you sure they expected 285mph or was it 285 knots? Also, was that expected airspeed or ground speed? FWIW, 285kts = 328mph, and even if they expected 285mph, ground speed is higher than indicated airspeed at altitude (although I don't know how high they were flying, I remember reading it was fairly high up).

      So what all did he get to fly over on this trip?

    2. Re:Correction by KUHurdler · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Do you claim that your trip to work this morning involved moving 30,000 miles?"

      Only on my taxes.

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  5. Can I just be the first to say ... by B3ryllium · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who gives a flying F***!!!? ;-)

  6. Congratulations to Scaled Composites & Steve F by corngrower · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Congratulations to Fosset and the folks at Scaled Composites!. I'll bet he's had enough flying for awhile and he's probably wanting to take a shower and freshen up some right away.

    I'm wondering how much fuel was left when he landed, given that problem with the missing 2600 lb of fuel. The journey took about 68 hours by my calculations, which was considerably below the initial estimate of 80 hours.

    nbc news had this story http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7075972/

    Ya think he might want to take a ship back to the U.K.? He's probably not going to want a milkshake for a few days either.

  7. Sad, isn't it? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    a small crowd and a marching band that had gathered at the airstrip to welcome him."

    A guy flies all around the world, non-stop, solo in a jet aircraft and that's his reception. He should have landed in France, they knew how to welcome Lindy.

    The first person to fly, solo, nonstop around the moon and back will probably be greeted by a kid with a kazoo.

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    1. Re:Sad, isn't it? by entrager · · Score: 4, Funny
      The first person to fly, solo, nonstop around the moon and back will probably be greeted by a kid with a kazoo.
      No, they will be greeted by Ashlee Simpson.
    2. Re:Sad, isn't it? by Coffee+Warlord · · Score: 4, Funny

      He landed in Kansas. That was the entire population of the state that came out. :)

    3. Re:Sad, isn't it? by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, he decided to land in freakin' Kansas. They don't have many people out there, feewer people who give a rat's ass.

      If he would have landed in Chicago, NYC, or any number of other places, he would have had a huge crowd.

    4. Re:Sad, isn't it? by dustinbarbour · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Dude.. We've been to the moon and have sent probes outside of our paltry little solar system. I'd say his reception was about right. The Frenchies only welcoemd Lindbergh as they did because he was the first to go solo across the Atlantic, a MAJOR feat at the time. Going around the world on one tank of gas isn't that incredible when compared to other recent achievements such as SpaceShip One and our Martian rovers.

    5. Re:Sad, isn't it? by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah .. especially as the Space Shuttle goes around the world on one tank of gas .. just happens to be a bloody big tank.

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    6. Re:Sad, isn't it? by garcia · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't know which is worse. A plastic piece of shit that sounds like a dying honey bee or a figure that will end up looking like a piece of plastic (after years of botox injections and surgery) that doesn't make any sound while appearing to.

      Me? I think I'd pick the little shit w/the kazoo. At least he was trying.

  8. A Great American Hero by yoey · · Score: 3, Funny

    Look at what's happened to me,
    I can't believe it myself.
    Suddenly I'm up on top of the world,
    It should've been somebody else.

    Believe it or not,
    I'm walking on air.
    I never thought I could feel so free eee eee.
    Flying away on a wing and a prayer.
    Who could it be?
    Believe it or not it's just me.

    1. Re:A Great American Hero by Monsieur+Canard · · Score: 4, Funny

      Believe it or not
      George isn't at home...

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  9. Easy to go faster than that by RedVortex · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why didn't he just took off and re-landed right away, it would've been much faster than going around the world just to land at the same spot... DUH !!! Scientists, always missing the obvious... RedVortex

  10. yeah, but by FirstNoel · · Score: 4, Funny

    it will be the best kazoo money can buy...

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  11. I feel...nothing by luchaugh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't know, maybe I'm jaded, but these "record breaking" feats just don't seem to capture my attention or imagination. I have to think it would have been so exciting to have lived, say, a hundred years ago when these things were garnering world-wide attention and people like Lindberg became heroes. But nowadays, for whatever, reason... nothing. Nada. Zilch. Somewhat disappointed that I can't seem to get into this. Anyone else feel the same?

    1. Re:I feel...nothing by Kalgash · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Nope. You're just dead inside. Like so many others you have been anihalated by the constant barage of daily 'life changing' events. You now find it almost impossible to get excited about something whose relative excitement level (by your standards) ranks up there with finding out the current terrorist threat level has been upped once again.

      As a result (and to protect your mental faculties) your capacity for true joy has been severely curtailed. Don't worry. There are many like you out there. Jaded, bored and drowning in ennui. The rest of us allow ourselves the opportunatity to be hurt and perhaps even overloaded. As a result we feel real joy when others accomplish great things.

      I don't really know if your type is more prevalant than my type and frankly I think the answer would probably depress the fuck out of me.

      Try to find your wonderment. In your capacity for humanity. For our ability to push boundries and reach for the unknown. For the very real way that despite all of the dangers we pose to ourselves we have so far avoided utter distruction.

      Unless you are willing to risk disappointment you will never know true joy.

    2. Re:I feel...nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Give me a break, Mr. "holier-than-thou".

      This record wasn't worth getting excited about, simply because it wasn't much of an accomplishment.

      You will find that those you consider jaded, cynical and world weary just have a lot more experience in what actually goes on in this world. It's the ignorant and misinformed who get most excited about things.

      I remember the recent hoax about the cactus "growing human hairs". As a biochemist, I looked at the page of methods, laughed a little (since they had ripped it verbatim from another art/genetics project, and that had borrowed it from some standard protocol), and moved on.

      Others seemed to get very, very excited.

      Now, according to you, I am dead inside.

      I object: It is just that the excited ones (yourself included for this achievement), seem to be dead upstairs. Learn to think critically; look at what was actually achieved vs. the hype they're pushing.

      You too may realise it just isn't a big deal. Rich boys with rich toys. Other millionaires sponsor a yacht in the America's Cup - Fossett just paid to be a tourist in a largely computer-controlled flight of a plane. Whoopee.

    3. Re:I feel...nothing by luchaugh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think, my frustration stems more from a feeling of , "if you have the cash, you can do cool shit. therefore, it's not cool to do shit just because you have mad cash". I LOVED Rick Hansen when he wheeled himself around the world, but Steve Fosset? Please. Gimme a strong pot o' coffee and his resources and I'll complete that flight, too (and I wouldn't expect the world to throw me a party).

    4. Re:I feel...nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, we're just dead inside to "a new world record!". If you watch enough news, there are world records being broken every day. Surely you can't be suggesting that I should be getting excited (and experiencing "true joy") all day every day.

      We do not shield ourselves from life to prevent from being "hurt". We shield ourselves from 4 billion daily news events so we can get something done. If I felt "true joy" about every time everybody did something neat, I'd have no time left to breathe. I assure you that even those of us who think this event is ho-hum still feel pain; it's simply about things that matter.

      I know what joy is; hearing about a millionare who went a bit further in a balloon than has been done before doesn't do it for me. This does not mean I'm "dead inside". (If my grandmother doesn't get excited by a new Linux kernel release, does that mean she's dead inside? No, she simply doesn't get excited by the same type of events.)

      Please try not to hold everybody else in the world in such contempt.

  12. Catching up with the Soviets, are we? by Adam.Steinbaugh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wasn't Yuri Gagarin "the first person to successfully circle the earth in a nonstop solo flight" in Vostok 1, back in '61? Hyuk.

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    1. Re:Catching up with the Soviets, are we? by SydShamino · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Clearly we need an award for "circling the earth in a nonstop solo flight" for each possible maximum altitude, perhaps in 10 m increments to make verification easier.

      This way, there's still lots of new records to make! I wonder who will be first to circle the earth in a nonstop solo flight while never rising more than 50 m over sea (or land) level?

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    2. Re:Catching up with the Soviets, are we? by kureido · · Score: 2, Funny

      Gagarin wasn't flying, he was falling with style.

  13. Re:Blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only difference between Steve Fosset and myself is millions upon millions of dollars.

    Yeah, that and talent, vision, courage, ability, funding, support, drive, goals, and...well...a record.

    But don't worry, trolling on /. is just as honorable.

  14. Re:Salina, Kansas by Jarnis · · Score: 3, Informative

    VERY long runway.

    And that's where he started (because of the very long runway that was needed for takeoff).

    And by the record rules, you have to start and land from the same airfield.

  15. Sleep? by weston · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The 60-year-old millionaire adventurer stayed awake for almost all of the trip, taking only brief catnaps in the jet"

    A 60 year old staying awake for nearly three days straight is as impressive to me as fuel economy. I couldn't make two full days straight, even when I was 19...

    1. Re:Sleep? by Greyfox · · Score: 3, Funny
      Even more so, a 60 year old going 4 days without going to the bathroom. I'm only 35 and I'm lucky if I can make it 4 hours without having to take a leak...

      I know, I know, they probably had a waste disposal system on the jet. Though it'd be pretty funny if that was one of the things they'd overlooked... "OK, now I'm going to test the Jet's waste disposal system... Aaah... Er... guys... tell me the jet has a waste disposal system?"

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  16. Congratulations most deservedly goes to... by PhantomHarlock · · Score: 4, Informative

    Jon Karkow, my neighbor and project manager/designer and chief test pilot of this little airplane. It was his baby from start to finish. (in addition to all the other congratulations all around!)

    --M

  17. The rest of the story by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Funny

    And his luggage will arrive next week -- at the latest!

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  18. Around the Earth .. Really??? by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd be one of the first to congratulate him for his flight, but how do you define "Around the earth"?? Especially when:

    a) He was 3000 km shy of the circumference at the equator.

    b) I don't belive he made it into the southern hemisphere.

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    1. Re:Around the Earth .. Really??? by Big_Al_B · · Score: 2, Informative

      From the official website for the project:

      For the Virgin Atlantic GlobalFlyer and its pilot Steve Fossett to set a world record for the first solo, non-stop, non-refuelled circumnavigation of the world they will have to follow a strict set of rules laid down by the governing body of aviation record attempts, the Federation Aeronautique Internationale.

    2. Re:Around the Earth .. Really??? by OzPeter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah I just dug into it and discovered that the FAI rules will award a circumnavigation if it is down to 2/3s of the great circle route distance.

      Still, in this day and age of technology I would think that you could toughen up the rules, so you have to exceed the minimum circumference of the planet.

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  19. Re:Mod me down but this is no big accomplishment by PedanticSpellingTrol · · Score: 3, Informative

    Publicity for the same rich guy, in fact. Branson put up all the cash for this little excursion.

  20. I don't get it by Kainaw · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is the same guy who did the first trip around the world in a balloon. He didn't land or refuel that time. So, isn't this his second trip around the world without refuelling?

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  21. Re:Blah by raider_red · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And people like you just sit around and bitch about it.

    Get off your butt and do something creative or new. Then maybe you'll be able to buy a couple.

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  22. Bigger deal for Burt Rutan by ShamanDave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We can debate whether Fosset deserves praise, but I think it's pretty clear that it's a huge accomplishment for Burt Rutan.

    1. Re:Bigger deal for Burt Rutan by feed_those_kitties · · Score: 2, Insightful
      We can debate whether Fosset deserves praise, but I think it's pretty clear that it's a huge accomplishment for Burt Rutan.

      Slight edit from me:

      We can debate whether Fosset deserves praise, but I think it's pretty clear that it's another huge accomplishment for Burt Rutan.

  23. an average of 343 MPH is well within reason by baine · · Score: 2, Insightful

    343 MPH is a reasonable speed once wind correction is taken into account. Remember that where he spent most of his time flying, steady winds in excess of 100 mph are not uncommon.

    Although none of the articles specify, I'd guess that the 285 MPH mark is either an IAS (indicated air speed - how fast the plane is going as indicated to the pilot) or more likely TAS (true air speed - how fast the plane is moving through the surrounding air). Ground air speed takes factors like wind into account, and can either be slower (in the event of a headwind) or faster (when tail winds are present) than the TAS.

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  24. Movemovemove! by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Funny

    Fossett managed to touch down at 2:48 p.m. EST, to the delight of mission control staff, a small crowd and a marching band that had gathered at the airstrip to welcome him ...leaving 47 injured.

  25. In other news.... by tinrobot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mr. Fossett has just set another record for the longest time spent standing in front of a urinal.

  26. Why the hype? by Macrobat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This really seems to be overhyped to me. It is, at most, an incremental improvement over the status quo. Lindberg crossing the Atlantic was significant because nothing like it had ever been done; but we first orbited the Earth back in the '60s, military aircraft circle the globe in flight constantly, and there has never really been a commercial need for a plane that could go more than halfway around the world at one time. So, yeah, congratulations and all, but this sounds more like a millionaire sailing around the world in his yacht than the next Magellan.

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  27. Re:That's Awesome...but... by geoffspear · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Right. Just like we replaced all of our satellites with balloons once he proved a human can circle the Earth in a balloon.

    Idiot.

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  28. Fly Fly what is Fly by SuperTrozTX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Rich guy stays up for 67 hours, while another rich guy's toy works around him.

    Hoo..... ray.

    This is as blah as can be.
    If I was a rich man...

  29. Some image captures from the live feed by aallan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For those of you who couldn't manage to scrape a connection to the live feed, and I know I had a lot of difficulty, I've put some images captures of the take off on Monday, the flight [1, 2] itself, the decent and of course the landing up on my blog.

    The machine these are sitting on once hosted three front page Slashdot stories simultaneously so I'm not too worried about posting this... err, I think I'll just mail my sysadmin.

    Al.
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  30. Re:Salina, Kansas by geoffspear · · Score: 5, Funny

    How informative. It's unfortunate the war ended 9 years before a B52 ever flew, or that training would have been a lot more valuable.

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  31. Re:Salina, Kansas by zogger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    samll picky point. No B-52's in WW2. Those are whopper huge jets. B- 17s or 24's maybe. B-52s came much later, cold war years, got used in Nam a lot, etc. They still use them actually even though most of them are pretty old, they turned out to be a decent over all strong and useful design.

  32. Re:Mod me down but this is no big accomplishment by Grip3n · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Obviously this man has a lot of opportunity in his life. He has obtained enough wealth to do whatever he so chooses, and rather than living a shallow quiet life of no regard, he has chosen to live life to its fullest.

    He has decided to break records, to participate in the production of a machine which would allow a human to do something no other human has done before. He has chosen to make history not just as a man with money, but a man with money who decided to live the adventure.

    Contrast this with the opposite: gather money, buy, sell, rinse and repeat until you die. Is that what you would have rather seen? Would you have congratulated this man on living a life worth living having done that? I doubt it. This man hasn't do that - he has decided to do something more.

    The Richard Bransons in this world are men who have opportunity and take it. They live their lives to a degree that we cannot because of our financial situation. They could easily, EASILY decide to lay back and do nothing at all. These men do not do that, rather they willingly decide to pioneer, to carve a path for the rest of humanity. Whether it is creating extremely efficient aircraft, going into space or more, they are living their lives to its fullest potential.

    Remember: All men die, few men really live.

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  33. Re:sorry, around the world? since when?! by groomed · · Score: 4, Informative
    Actually, from the global flyer website:
    The FAI's rules state that a record attempt like this must start and finish at the same airfield and cross all meridians of the globe. What's more the course must not be less than the very precise figure of 36,787.559 kilometres (around 23,000 miles) which is equal in length to the Tropic of Cancer. To allow the Virgin Atlantic GlobalFlyer to catch the vital jet stream winds, the FAI rules don't oblige that record attempts follow the imaginary line of the Tropic itself but simply that the distance flown exceeds it.
    So it seems more or less legit.
  34. Smithsonian by MDMurphy · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Smithsonian already has Voyager, if they end up with SS1 and GlobalFlyer then Burt Rutan is on his way to his own room at the place.

  35. Re:Blah by dwlovell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Time is worth more than money. The fact that he spent his own personal time and money to make this happen is a testament to the courage and vision and talent.

    When Universities spend government grant money to do stuff like this, people fall all over themselves to congratulate them. Some guy spends his own money and years of his life to do the same, and suddenly he is some "rich fuck" in your eyes.

    It is obvious that your problem is that you are insecure about your own lack of funds and this is preventing you from congratulating someone who deserves accolades for their hard work. This wasn't some fly-by-night (no pun intended) attempt. This guy has been trying for many years with multiple prototypes and failed attempts. He didn't give up, regardless of how expensive it was.

    Get over the fact that you are not rich and see the value that his research brings to the world. (the same value you would see if this was a government funded research project).

    -David

  36. and one willing to risk his life at it too by Shivetya · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Many of his adventures have a big chance in ending in a lethal failure. Yeah he has money, but he is living the dreams of many who do not and inspiring some of them to try to put themselves in the same position.

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  37. Big Deal by HbInd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Fossett has a whole team in mission control who feed him navigational , weather , aircraft data and in constant communication with Fossett. All he doing up there is piloting the plane. They could have could have the plane of remote control and still made the trip. Fossett should lose his mission control , navigate around the world on his own. then proabably he can compared with Magellan.

  38. Re:Distance Record Broken by Unkle · · Score: 2, Informative
    The SR-71 couldn't even take off with a full load of fuel--not because of weight (AFAIK), but because the skin, which was also the gas tank, was designed to expand at Mach 3 speeds, and thus actually leaked fuel at normal temperature on the ground. The first thing the Blackbird did after taking off was fuel up.

    But the previous record being in 1962 suprises me as well. But I'm not sure if it's a matter of it being so long ago or the fact that a B-52 can travel so far.

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  39. Re:Salina, Kansas by TheUglyAmerican · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That is quite a runway. I flew there as a student pilot in a Cessna 172 a long time ago. As I was taxing back (a long taxi) for takeoff the ground controller said things like "you can take off from taxiway Bravo and have 10,900 feet or taxiway Delta and have 8,500 feet", etc. I wanted to tell him with the crosswinds they had that day I could have taken off across the runway. It is 500 ft wide!

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  40. Yep, he made it... or never left. by mrdogi · · Score: 2, Funny

    Accordiong to the Live Tracking site he's no longer moving...

  41. Radio chatter by Rorschach1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Did anyone else catch the radio chatter as he switched over to the Selina tower frequency? Lots of congratulations from airlines, and one

    "Fossett, you're a stud."

  42. Waste Disposal System by jac1962 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder how big his piss can was?

    IIRC, the USAF's U-2S high altitude reconnaissance aircraft piss can held about a quart.

    Sometimes, if we were turning a jet for a second sortie the same day, the crew chief would forget to empty the can (thank God I was an avionics specialist!) after the first pilot had made his contribution. The second pilot would discover this oversight when his urine would fill the can and then back up the tube to overflow in his pressure suit, where it sloshed around for the remainder of the flight. . .

    There is no facility for disposing of solid waste though. Every now and then a mission would abort because the pilot was suffering from "gastrointestinal distress." In the 5th Reconnaissance Squadron's (IYAABYAS!) ops shack, there is plaque high up on the wall, with a roll of toilet paper attached, commerating all those brave U-2 pilots who joined the exclusive "Stratoshitters Club." One guy's name was on there twice. . .

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  43. Those are Canadian hours by simetra · · Score: 3, Funny

    they're smaller, so more... 80 Canadian hours = approx 67 Regular hours.

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  44. Re:Congratulations to Scaled Composites & Stev by WhiteBandit · · Score: 2, Funny

    Congratulations to Fosset and the folks at Scaled Composites!. I'll bet he's had enough flying for awhile and he's probably wanting to take a shower and freshen up some right away.

    I dunno, based on how much time this guy spends trying to go around the world in vessels with small volumes, I'd be willing to wager that he doesn't enjoy showers. ;)

  45. Re:Salina, Kansas by BeerCat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But were you ever cleared to have two aircraft landing on the same runway at the same time (and not in formation, either)?

    Machrihanish airfield, in Scotland, has a 10,000+ ft runway. I was cleared to land (based on the "normal" threshold), while one of my colleagues, who was practising precision landings, was cleared to land using the control tower (about two thirds of the way up) as a touch down point

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  46. Record SETTING Flight is more appropriate by stoyan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Since he did not break any record.

    1. Re:Record SETTING Flight is more appropriate by Big_Al_B · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except the "longest nonstop flight without refueling" record. It is an established mark that Fossett broke. And it is different than the "shortest time for a single pilot to circumvent the globe in a nonstop/nonrefueled flight" record that Fossett _set_ today.

  47. Re:Mod me down but this is no big accomplishment by mamba-mamba · · Score: 2, Informative

    You don't seem to know what you are talking about. There are two men: Branson and Fosset.

    AFAICT, all Branson did is write a check and provide moral support.

    The pilot was Fosset. Apparently they are friends. Fosset is not that rich. The article refers to him as a millionaire. Branson, on the other hand, is referred to as a billionaire. So I think it is incorrect to say that Fosset can do whatever he chooses. It might be more accurate to say that he has enough determination to accomplish his objectives.

    Other than that, I guess I agree with you. I like reading about Branson and Fosset and their ilk. I don't see why they shouldn't keep doing the stuff they do. Rutan wouldn't have nearly as much fun without guys like Branson and Fosset and Paul Allen to help pay for everything. And I like reading about Rutan's accomplishments, too.

    MM

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  48. Re:Blah by databyss · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Plane design? Nope - sorry, it's a disguarded (due to being ponitless comercially) 15 year old design (just he was the first to come up with the cash to build it)
    Faster speeds? Nope - it flies comparitively slowly in relation to virtually every other aircraft on the planet. Most 1960's helicopters travel faster."

    The military has great interest in a plane the can fly for a long time very slowly.

    UAV's I believe.

    Although I doubt that has much commercial potential... it's still useful to some.

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  49. Interesting similarity by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I caught a news article about Northrop testing their "surrogate" (still has a pilot during development) Medium Altitude Long Endurance UAV. The plane is being developed with, you guessed it, Scaled Composites. Here's a picture.

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  50. Re:Not ALL the way around the Earth by Big_Al_B · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I doubt the plane needs the full two-mile runway length. He may have taken off in the first mile and landed in the second mile.

  51. Re:Salina, Kansas by Unbeliever · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I haven't actually flown to EAA's Airventure at OshKosh myself, but don't they do that during the Expo week? I.e. "Aircraft A, Cleared to land Runway 2-7 on the blue dot, Aircraft B, Cleared to land Runway 2-7 on the Red dot, Aircraft C, Cleared to land Runway 2-7 on the Green Dot."

    Ah, yes. Here it is, The Wittman NOTAM, page 10. Except I got the colors wrong, its White, Green, and Orange.

    http://www.airventure.org/2004/flying/notam_2004 .p df

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