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Militants Planned Attack On Indian Software Firms
Alien54 writes "Militants killed in an encounter in New Delhi on Saturday night planned to attack leading software companies in Bangalore in addition to the Indian Military Academy in Dehra Dun, Delhi police said on Sunday Indian police claim the men were members of Lashkar-e-Toiba - a Wahabi militant group fighting for an independent Kashmir. Apart from maps of call centers police also recovered 100 kilos of dynamite, 10.5 kilos of RDX explosive, 450 detonators, three AK-56 rifles and a satellite phone."
"Dear GOD, where is my TECH SUPPORT?!?!! Nobody in the call center is answering!" Feel free to mod me -1 heartless bastard.
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Isn't that a little bit of an extreme reaction by the Kashmiris for losing their IT jobs?
Actually, why did the militants do this? Attacking companies that brings prosperity to the region hardly seems a way to inspire support from the locals or anybody else.
More proof that terrorism doesn't make sense.
"Abdul! I tried to call tech support for the explosives, but all I got was one of those damn foreign Americans! Bloody outsourcing!"
Oh, wait. Physically attacking a software company? Where's the fun in that?
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Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
For the same reason that Al Qaeda attacked the WTC and Pentagon - to make themselves heard.
Terrorism is not about sense or economic benefits.
I'd like to thank the New Delhi police for a job excellently done.
That was the point. Those were Kashmere terrorists blowing up Indian call centers. Al Qaeda was not overly concerned that 911 might be harming NYC's prosperity either, on the contrary!
...islamic militants are just as frustrated with tech support as the rest of us!
many a time i wanted to throttle the fool on the other end of the phone in bangalore...
> Militants? Militant whats? Militant Communists? Militant Republicans? Militant Anti-Caste activists? Militant Hindu Nationalists? Militant Islamists? Militant Christian Doomsday Fundamentalists? Militant Hello Kitty Fans?
> Just saying 'militants' is ignorant reporting.
Perhaps it's militant dislexics who missed the word 'Wahabi' in the overview.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Just do it. It's got to be cheaper than the fisticuffs.
Another brilliant post by Truth Quark! 60 years of conflict suddenly resolved! ...
Now, about Palestine
Bug 133925: Primary source code archives at Bangalore outsourcing site destroyed by Lashkar-e-Toiba militants.
Priority: Critical/Stopper
11 of 25 posts so far have been about Call centres and outsourcing.
I know most of it is humour (of some sort), but don't you think this is being just a bit insensitive? Mod me down if you must, but there must be a limit to self-centredness, even for Americans.
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You have to understand that Kashmiris don't associate themselves all that much with India. They side more with Pakistan, but prefer an independent state, like Nepal.
The money generated from Bangalore tends to go to other parts of the country, as Kashmir is quite rich on its own. That is why attacking Bangalore's software companies made little difference to the terrorists.
The point of terrorism is exactly that - terror !. Once people are afraid, they have essentially achieved their target. These people are not just "militants" - but terrorists.
Indian software industry is obsessed with Information security that it often does not expect an attack with a car bomb in the parking under ground. And Bangalore is a cosmopolitan city full of all kinds of people. You won't be watched by the entire crowd because you have a 3 inch beard.
Security is an illusion - but it is a precious illusion for those who keep it.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur
> One of these days, we'll have intelligent reporting that doesn't treat
... wow. If you don't want to be treated as reactionary, then don't react after reading just a headline.
> the readers like scared, reactionary six year olds.
Maybe one of these days we'll have readers with an attention span that lets them read past the first line in the article. You can't expect us to believe you're a big fan of critical thinking if you don't read as far as the second sentence: Indian police claim the men were members of Lashkar-e-Toiba - a Wahabi militant group fighting for an independent Kashmir.
I knew attention spans were getting short, but
Lashkar-e-Toiba is a millitant group connected with Al-Qiada and wishes to 'free' Kashmir. They are Muslim Islamists and believes that they are in jihad with almost everybody except them. Talk about ignorance!
Would you prefer that we called them disaffected individuals with poor impulse control?
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The "Militants" were a group called the LeT - Lashkar-e-Taiba
Here's some more background on them. Looks like they're tied into the infamous Al-Qaida too.
Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
Yep, that along with a united Ireland and peace between Palestine and Israel. For some reason, some people don't see it that clearly.
-- Using the preview button since 2005
When work is outsourced to countries that are not very stable, or have terrorism problems, or civil wars, it makes portions of that country wealthy. Those wealthy portions become a target for the local Bad People, simply because it will hurt their enemies more than bombing the poor portions.
If you look into slight history, there were a series major bomb blasts occured in Bombay, the financial capital of india in 1993 in places like the Stock Exchange. These resulted into a lot of tension and communal riots between the people.
This one seems to be kindof similar to them, just targetting a little more high-tech organizations. These militants just cant see a country prosper and the people getting happy. If you cant do well, dont let anyone do well.
It is a pity that words like "Militant" are used for these groups. We really need a word that summarises "Organised criminal gangs that want to steal entire countries". Of course {flamebait} this word would be useful because we could apply it to the Bush/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/Rice/Blair/Berlusconi gang as well as the insurgents in Iraq, the part of the IRA that is opposed to the peace process, and the Taliban.{/flamebait} But words like "militant", "terrorist" and "insurgent" conceal rather than illuminate reality.
Panurge has posted for the last time. Thanks for the positive moderations.
Uh, I'm guessing you have no idea about the history behind the India-Pakistan conflict over Kashmir because, if you did, you'd know it's not that simple.
When India was struggling to achieve independence, it became clear that the religious unrest would likely drive the country apart. The solution to this was partition, which divided India into two countries, India and Pakistan (literally "land of the pure"). Kashmir, which was then a kingdom, decided that it didn't like either choice, and its ruler declared Kashmiri independence for itself.
Everyone accepted Kashmir's position but shortly after independence and partition took place, Pakistan unilaterally invaded Kashmir claiming it for itself. Kashmir, with no hope of surviving by itself, and with no other help coming from elsewhere, asked India for assistance. This call for help put India in a bind, because it didn't want to provoke Pakistan unnecessarily (partition itself had been a bloody affair) and so it presented Kashmir with the only viable option: become part of the sovereign state of India.
Kashmir chose India over Pakistan, and officially became part of India. Hence, legally at least, Kashmir is Indian territory. However, Pakistan didnt (and still doesnt) accept this, and refused to withdraw its claim on the region.
Whether or not Kashmir should become independent is a very stickly question. Personally, I'd like to see it happen but, frankly, there's too much at stake - not least of all national pride - for either India or Pakistan to seriously consider it. So the status quo, with part of still Kashmir occupied by Pakistan, remains and probably will continue to do so for some considerable time. Certainly, until Pakistan readopts democracy, its unlikely to change.
By the way, while the India-Pakistan division was based on religion, it's a fact that India now has a bigger Muslim population than Pakistan. And, apart from a few religious zealots on either side, most Hindus and Muslims (and Christians, Buddhists, etc) manage to co-exist peacefully in India.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
India hasn't stolen the jobs, US companies have shipped them there. And US tax loopholes have helped them do it too. Believe me, if it wasn't India, they would have found somewhere else that would have taken the jobs.
But those are the joys of capitalism and the global economy. Funny thing though, when it was blue collar jobs that were being shipped elsewhere no one really gave two hoots (when was the last time you bought clothes that were 100 percent made in the US, with US-sourced materials?), but now it's white collar jobs it's suddenly some sort of travesty.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
..., can I call you comrade, can't I? I mean, you show such ignorance about how open markets work that either you have been in cave for 50 years or are a Communist, comrade. Which one is it?
The Indians are not stealing your jobs. US people in particular, and Western people in general, are pricing themselves too high given the expensive lifestyles they lead.
Which expensive lifestyles? SUVs, overeating, rampant consumerism, irrational Imperial wars in the other side of the planet. All tha adds up until your economy, or parts of it, become uncompetitive.
Indians are "stealing" your jobs in the same sense that a more capable, cheaper worke in the US would be stelaing your job if he was hired to do it instead of yourslef, comrade.
As for the English capabilities of the Indians,, frankly, stop beating that horse. It has been fucking dead for ages.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
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What has the world come too, where we have to qualify that we don't like the idea of people dying - EVEN IF THEY ARE IN COMPETITION WITH US FOR JOBS!
I'm hardly a peace-loving, tree-huggin vegan. But this kind of stuff really makes me think that capitalism has really made a wrong turn somewhere. That and our values of course, but, I'm on slightly more shaky ground there.
For heaven's sake, when did Slashdot become Politically Correct (TM)?
Call them what they are, terrorists. Or if "terrorists" is not acceptable, then how about "necromancers festering on people's grief and death"? That's pretty accurate.
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Remember how they set IniTech on fire ? Awful, awful people.
Kasmhir is a part of India. The way you put it it sounds like Kashmiris are not Indians.If you follow news you will find that the government of Kashmir is elected.Also the majority of Lashkar-e-Toiba members are non kashmiris.Read it here
BBC Profile of Lashkar-e-Toiba.
So it is not Kashmiris attacking Indians.Believe it or not most Kashmiris are sick and tired of terrorism.They will rather get on with their life and business.Tourism which was the main source of income for kasmiris declined drastically after the terrorists upped their attacks.
Lashkar started in Pakistan and has its headquartes in Pakistan and after the US declared it as a terrorist organisation it no longer opeartes publicly in Pakistan.
TechSutra
AK-56 is a chinese knockoff of the soviet SKS, which is also manufactured in pakistan.
To be on topic, the LeT is mostly comprised of Pakistani extremists and is a declared terrorist outfit by the USA and one of the first Kashmiri terrorists outfits to be banned by Pakistan. To end on a positive note, read this editorial in the pakistan newspaper Dawn.
...that I had mod points today to mod down these stupid annoying Funny posts.
I guess even an American can get sick of the typical American attitude sometimes...
I don't think most Americans would notice the difference, other than hold times and chants.
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Unprotected sex with a member of the opposite gender.
Isn't it annoying when people start the message in
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Yeah, but the ones who planned the terrorist attack are Islamic militants who want Kashmir to go to the Islamic Pakistan instead of being controlled by India as it is now.
My other first post is car post.
That's amazing that you didn't get modded down to -5.
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Last time I made an anti-American comment someone told me "You are, quite simply, not welcome here then" and I got modded Redundant. I guess most people don't see it once it goes below 0 so getting to -5 is hard.
I can tell you're not American simply because you can spell centre
Can your karma go above being Excellent?
Really ? Perhaps you just lived in a non affected area when the blue collar jobs were leaving. I happened to have lived in an area where 15% of the population was supported by 3 factories, when those factories were going to be shut down all hell broke lose. The govenor of NY at the time (Cumo) showed up, even though our town had only ~20k people in it. Why ? Because it was a hot button issue.
Of course there is also the fact that when the blue collar jobs went away there were newer easier jobs to take their place. What exactly is replacing the white collar jobs ?
People worry when it effects them. The presidential campaigns hardly touched this issue even though some media outlets thought it would decide the election. Why wasnt it a major issue ? Because the average american has not yet felt the heat, only the tech sector and the aformentioned blue collar sector have had to feel the full brunt of this issue. This will be a much larger issue in the next two elections as china enters the fray and management level jobs start getting shipped out.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." --Albert Einstein
1:Find country with lax labor laws with nearby neighbors described as "militant" to target's country.
2:Remove the ability to access the data physically or remotely via destructive means. (null routing companies and countries linked to target, political manipulation, EMP, conventional explosives, N/B/C if desperate)
3:Repeat 2 periodically to insure no third party benefactors such as other countries with proper labor laws (using documented loopholes such as offshoring) are able to prop up target country.
Bug will manifest itself in countries where lax labor laws, political instability and deep pocketed groups meet.
Possible solutions:
-International pressure to encourage target country to harmonize trade laws with countries with higher labor law standards to remove bugs with Free Trade. Militants would still be present but would be in clear minority if present.
-Limited protectionism until harmonized labor law standards are guaranteed and permanent elimination of all "Ivy League"* style exclusions/barriers to higher education in third party countries such as US/UK. Usefulness would gradually increase as a wider base of the population gains higher education without (practical and theoretical) barriers to entry as documented later on.
-Countries who provide residence for third parties in the benefit of this bug would be "creatively encouraged" to disallow "representation of a person" to any organization that offshores (and all supporters of disallowed organization to prevent shifting of labor to circumvent) under laws concerning bribery.
Ivy League style exclusions, specified:
- Leaving in impractical loophole of excessive amount for admissions/tuition to maintain indirect requirement of fallback of being "well-connected" in the process of obtaining education. Eliminating this may anger the existing benefactors into using defensive measures, but it is a must.
- Admissions policies that are designed to reject the usable majority to design a deep pocketed minority that proceeds to apply similar policies to society for a nonbeneficial (see Google projects with policies that mirror some universities) and possibly destructive result (See Harvard, Yale, and the non Ivies Berkeley and Stanford).
- Hypocritical policy of wanting more students that come from backgrounds that arent targeted by them, but only allowing minority amounts of them outside of public controversy to calm public outrage.
"Forget the engineers." -Carly Fiorina, briber of MIT Technology Review.
i was reading through his articles yesterday after seeing the article posted on slashdot yesterday.d itorials/outsource_baghdad/index.html
and one of them was touching this subject: http://www.ranum.com/security/homeland_security/e
The nation of India hereby thanks your President and his glorious War on Terror, for giving rise to such short sighted policies as the promotion of Pakistan to MNNA status (Major Non-NATO Ally).
And by Pakistan, I mean a nuclear armed country which has demonstrated its willingness to proliferate WMD technology, whose intelligence services and military are thoroughly penetrated by Islamic radicals, whose President's life is under constant threat, and whose feigned ignorance of anti-India terror cells is tantamount to tacit support.
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actually, moving blue-collar jobs overseas was (and still is to a lesser extent) a major political issue. Remember the rallys where you could pay a buck and hit a Toyota with a sledgehammer? Or all the "Made In the USA" commercials. If you happened to live in an area that was affected by that round of outsourcing (and are old enough to remember the 80's and early 90's) you sure would.
The reason the white-collar jobs are a bigger issue is because we spent TONS of money teaching Joe and Jane Factory worker to answer tech support calls, telling them: "Well, you lost that job, but this one is here to stay" and then we yanked the rug out from under them again.
Apparently you don't know the history. Kashmir is of great strategic importance to India, Pakistan and China. Kashmir was an autonomous state after the British rule ended and India & Pakistan were free. Pakistan invaded Kashmir. The King of Kashmir, Maharajah Hari Singh, sought India's help and agreed that Kashmir will merge with India but still have autonomy. Pakistan was defeated and Kashmir became a part of India. Pakistan tried again few years later and was defeated. The Kashmir issue is screwed up because the then Prime Minister of India, Jawaharlal Nehru, to become an international peace hero, agreed in hurry to Simla agreement. Ever since then India has been suffering on Kashmir issue. It is ironic that India won three wars against Pakistan but the outcome was never favourable to India, sigh! India lost a war with China over Kashmir too so there is an on going dispute over the borders with China. Kashmir is, and always was, recognized as a part of India by UN.
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Hope that clears up the confusion a little bit
- Jalil Vaidya
Bullshit. Being an Indian, I can tell you that Lashkar-e-Toiba is a Pakistani terrorist group, FUNDED by Pakistan and TRAINDED by ISI, the intelligence service of Pakistan. The terrorists are trying everything - from asking Kashmir to be a state of pakistan to making Kashmir an independent state. Once it becomes independent, the Kashmiri people will themselves "ask" to be merged with Pakistan and Pakistan will "reluctantly" "accept" the offer. Either that, or Kashmir will be an independent state only for name sake; in reality it will be in control of Pakistan. Just look at how Pakistan is controlling it right now. Don't believe everything General Musharraf says. In fact, don't believe ANYTHING he says. If you know the truth, you'll realise that every word Musharraf says is actually just blackmailing India (or extortion or threatening, if you want to be a language nazi).
Being an Indian I can tell you that Lashkar-e-Toiba is a Pakistani terrorist group. Read my other comment here.
Any attack on our call centers is an attack on America. We should be clear on that.
Speaking on behalf of many people I'd like to say "Muh-wha???".
If overseas contractors that companies use so they don't have to pay Americans a living wage are worthy of our military support, why aren't they paying taxes for us to defend them? These terrorists get zero sympathy from me, but shouldn't we be putting our own house in order?
We just had the congress tell us that they can't raise minimum wage because it would hurt companies too much, so now you want the taxes of people working full time and living in poverty to go to the Indian government so that the jobs we lose to them will be safe? Did you forget we're already in the red paying for two wars? Seriously, what the hell are you talking about?
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Dude, he made a joke about the number of tech support reps that are located in India for various companies. How is that Xenophbic, ignorant, or self centered? The only ignorance I see is in your hatred of Americans. You can claim your are not anti-American but your posts suggest otherwise.
Self-centred and ignorant because it takes something very serious in India/Pakistan and turns it into a joke about call centres (which seems to be the farthest most comments get here on any story about India). It's not just that joke - look down through this story and you'll count tens of jokes that are all just as lame and just as insulting to people who have died and are dying in a conflict that's been going on for ages. Yes, it's a joke and not something to get righteous about, but I don't think it should go unchallenged.
Saying Xenophobia is valorised was a general comment on the insular attitude of the Bush administration since 9/11 who have consistently encouraged the country to disparage other nations (France comes to mind) and promoted a climate of fear and eternal vigilance against an undefined foreign enemy. I couldn't pretend to talk about all Americans and wouldn't want to. I certainly feel no 'hatred of Americans' but if that makes it easier to dismiss the criticism...
Somehow I don't think if that same joke was made about a failed attack on IT companies in NYC on this same site, people would be defending it as funny.
Journalists hope that if they suck up to this monsters, being careful to call them 'macho' names like "militant" they won't get hurt and may even get leads that let them have a cameraman in place when a bomb goes off in a marketplace (as is happening in Iraq). The typical journalist mindset (particularly in the European press) is, "Go blow up that schoolbus filled with Jewish schoolchildren. That's OK. Just leave me alone."
And have you noticed something else? Around the world it's the political left that's displaying the same zeal to keep blood-thirsty Middle-East tyrants and religious zealots in power that their fathers and grandfathers displayed for Stalin and Mao. The mainstream media is trying to get us to believe that the threat is from "religious fundamentalism," but the evil is the same that attracted so many to Karl Marx, a ideological rationale to kick people around and build a brave new world. It's the same zeal for blood that makes feminist so rabidly proabortion. It's the 'progress comes through death' mindset that lies at the heart of Darwinism, as Darwin himself stated so coldly but eloquently in the last paragraph of The Origin of Species.
Sick, sick, sick! Thank goodness the Internet and bloggers are giving us an alternative to scum who can't tell the difference between a terrorist and a militant.
--Mike Perry, Seattle
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You fail to mention that the king might have been Hindu, but the majority of Kashmiris were Muslim and either wanted to side with Pakistan (Islamic State) or be independent. Let the Kashmiris be free and autonomous then, since that was the agreement afterall.
Its rather interesting that ppl here are so much against Indian call centres, complaining about language issues. Of course, you're not gonna understand ppl there, and they're not gonna understand u cause u guys have different accents, not becaue either side can't speak english. I'm from Vancouver, Canada and I find it hard to understand ppl from the South US, australia, and the UK. Here in Canada, when I call up a gov agency, I get some french person speaking english and its pretty hard to understand them too. Not because they don't know english, its because their accent. What I'm even more suprised about is /.'ers who need to call tech support. Can't fix ur own comp eh?
on various boards and to friends, co-workers and family...
When "Osama/Al Queda/Biggy Terrorists" acquire a nuke...they will acquire just one and THEY WILL NOT BRING IT TO THE US.
Instead they will set it off in India in the general area where the US and other Westernized nations have sent their offshored technical/support and engineering jobs.
This action alone will bring the US/Westernized economies to their knees worldwide. Furthermore, it is how the terrorists can actually win by getting winning through the efforts of their enemies.
India's response will be to assume that IT HAD TO COME THROUGH PAKISTAN...and launch a nuke at Pakistan.
With that powder keg lit...US comes to India's aid...China presses Taiwan thinking our hands our full...we hit back as a form of saying, "not so fast".
And Russia? Germany? UK? France? I find myself having a hard time calling their responses. Lot has changed since the Cold War.
If and when this happens - the terrorists get to watch the big boys do most of their work for them which is simple - take each other down - while they go one building their network.
=8-)
True, but any <insert-belief-set> militant group is simply doublespeak for terrorists. Christian, vegetarian, feminist, racial pride, etc.
Fo an intro to Wahhabism that doesn't resort to conclusions like "nutballs" and "islamic nut cases", there's an article here (probably with its own biases, but I found it more informative and it includes references.)
Shhhh don't you know you can't metion Saudi and Terrorists in the same breath! It may raise to many questions as to why we invaded Iraq and not Saudi Arabi after 911.
I think the numbers speak for them selves. 14 Saudi High jackers ; 0 Iraqi High Jackers and 0 WMD's found in Iraq.