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10.4 on Display at FOSE

Posted by timothy on from the slickery dept.

CmdrStone writes "Just thought I'd post to let people know that while at FOSE today in the Washington, D.C. Convention center I lingered at the Apple pavilion / booth. To my surprise every machine had 10.4 running. The build number matches the build number found on the rumor sites; 8A428. Does this presage Tiger hitting the shelves soon? Personally, my main interest was how much iSync was expanded to support more devices, phones, etc. The Apple rep confirmed that the number of devices has expanded. He lamented that his Symbian phone, the Nokia 9500 Communicator, still was not included in the supported phones. He did tell me that he was able to tether his Powerbook and get online via his 9500's T-Mobile connection."

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  1. Well... by thundercatslair · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It did go gold about a week ago, so yes you should see it on store shelves soon.

    1. Re:Well... by CmdrStone · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, every rep I spoke with, freely answered questions, except for the release date. The openly stated that all the computers they had on display were running 10.4. It occurs to me now the I did not as specifically if that included the XServes they had on display.

    2. Re:Well... by __aaxpkq8573 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Been 18 months since Panther was released. Maybe in Longhorn months that would be 6 months.

    3. Re:Well... by CapnRob · · Score: 2, Funny

      For one thing, it's been 18 months since the last one. And for another thing, we actually get things we can use in these things, as opposed to Microsoft's tendency to sell you things which *reduce* your ability to use your computer. But thanks for playing.

    4. Re:Well... by Baricom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I *have* used Windows in the last six years (it's my primary platform until this computer breaks and I switch to a Mac) and the GP poster is absolutely correct. Each release adds more and more "features" designed to "protect users from piracy" by removing their control of their own computer.

      Consider, for example, Product Activation, which Microsoft added in Windows XP. Now, not only do you have to pay Microsoft for the privilege of using their operating system, but you must also ask Microsoft permission each time you do so.

      There are innumerable accounts of people who've had problems with Product Activation, but let's assume activation is flawless and that no legally-licensed Windows user will ever be flagged for activation. This February, Microsoft changed the rules, and all of a sudden, owners of an OEM edition of Windows (almost everybody) now have to call Microsoft EVERY TIME they reinstall their hard drive, and answer questions to prove they own (excuse me, _license_) the software they're trying to install. This "service" is a feature of Microsoft's Genuine Advantage program, but I don't see any advantage in being treated like a criminal.

      Windows Media Player is also the subject of "enhancements" by Microsoft, and in June, 2002, Microsoft decided to add a new condition to Media Player's EULA with the patch for security bulletin MS02-032. Now, instead of consenting to updates to their computer, Microsoft gets to decide that Media Player updates "will be automatically downloaded onto your computer, [and] these security related updates may disable your ability to copy and/or play Secure Content and use other software on your computer."

      Now, Longhorn will soon be released (eventually), and users will find that their computer is the subject of even more restrictions. Palladium was canceled for both PR and time constraint reasons (thank goodness), but make no mistake - Longhorn will have more "features" designed to take even more control from computer owners and put it in Microsoft's hands.

      So, now what? Well, you'll no doubt tell me that we have the freedom to switch to Linux, but how free is it? Neither Dell nor the other PC manufacturers will sell me a computer with an empty hard drive at the same price as the bundled version, let alone cheaper. I should not have to pay for an unused copy of Windows (which Microsoft will not refund the cost of, in violation of THEIR OWN EULA), and I should not have to purchase my computer from a fly-by-night retailer who might not be around next year to honor my warranty.

      Yes, Apple has their own problems with intellectual property ethics. For example, I have not and will not purchase music from the iTunes Music Store unless they remove DRM from the "bargain". However, at the moment, Apple is still mostly treating their customers right. Until iWork, for example, their was no such thing as typing in a serial number in an Apple product. I am concerned that Macromedia and Adobe are starting to implement activation on the Mac versions of their software, but there are FOSS alternatives that I can use.

      I'm not an Apple troll - I've been using DOS and Windows for 15 years, and I used to ridicule Apple until OS X was released. I have no loyalties to any company - I will happily give my money to the companies that treat me as a valued, important customer, rather than a criminal.

      Change is in the air. It started about the time Microsoft began demonizing the people who lined their pockets.

    5. Re:Well... by reidspice · · Score: 3, Informative

      two things to point out:

      1. there would be no itunes music store without drm because the record labels would never have agreed to it. so i guess either way you wouldn't be using it.

      2. final cut pro has had some serious copy protection since its 1.0 release, long before iwork. quicktime pro and osx server also require a key.

    6. Re:Well... by delire · · Score: 2, Informative

      "So, now what? Well, you'll no doubt tell me that we have the freedom to switch to Linux, but how free is it? Neither Dell nor the other PC manufacturers will sell me a computer with an empty hard drive at the same price as the bundled version, let alone cheaper."

      FYI if you're thinking of a laptop, this Asus M6N came without Microsoft tax and makes an excellent Linux machine.

      http://store.agearnotebooks.com/asusm6n.html

      Ironically the same company, Asustek, make the Apple iBook Line.

    7. Re:Well... by Blapto · · Score: 2, Interesting
      So, now what? Well, you'll no doubt tell me that we have the freedom to switch to Linux, but how free is it? Neither Dell nor the other PC manufacturers will sell me a computer with an empty hard drive at the same price as the bundled version, let alone cheaper.
      Yes they will. We recently bought a few Dell machines and seeing as I already have my own OEM XP licenses I asked them to remove XP from the hard drive and they obliged, and deducted £40/machine or something from the invoice.
    8. Re:Well... by henryhbk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Point 2 really applies to professional level software, rather than consumer (how many people bought webobjects, DVD Studio Pro, Motion or FCP HD for their own home use [other than me I guess])

    9. Re:Well... by Brian+Kendig · · Score: 2, Informative

      You do realize that Tiger runs Software Update as soon as you're finished installing it, so it can apply any patches which are available?

      So, basically, as soon as you install a pirated pre-release version of Tiger, it notifies the mothership "here I am", and if you're not supposed to have it yet, you can expect the authorities to come knocking on your door?

    10. Re:Well... by castanaveras · · Score: 2, Funny
      What made you think the "Genuine Advantage" was meant to be your advantage? Surely nothing in Microsoft's history gave you the idea that they give a crap about anything other than your cash.

      At least they're honest enough to admit that they think it's their computer and not yours - when you look at the desktop and see My Computer that's them laying claim to the hardware that you got to pay for.

    11. Re:Well... by Genom · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't think he'd be violating the NDA by disclosing the build number he's running.

      Describing new/changed features, providing screenshots, etc... would definitely violate it (so long as he went beyond what's already publically available - Safari RSS is no secret ;P ), but I'd wager that "I'm running build X currently, and they're reporting build X+1 is final" doesn't really give any information that isn't available from other sources.

      This is of course assuming he's an ADC member (I am...). If he's acquired the thing by other, more nefarious means, all bets are off.

  2. Torrent, anybody? by dirkdidit · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anybody manage to make off with a hard drive from one of those Macs, image it and make a .torrent of it?

    1. Re:Torrent, anybody? by binder520 · · Score: 4, Informative

      This article points out that most of the Torrent sites are shying away from hosting a copy of Tiger in fear of lawsuits from Apple.

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      Where Macs Belong in the Living Room

    2. Re:Torrent, anybody? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      some sites such as macpirate.org are hosting a 8A425 torrent, which strikes me as a risky proposition

      but you really should pre-order at amazon for $95 after rebate instead. that's $35 off. i'd prefer to wait for the final pressed cd

      ac

    3. Re:Torrent, anybody? by macslut · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Well, 8A425 isn't even the GM release, so it might not be as risky as hosting, say, 8A428." IANAL but, I think that's just the opposite way of thinking. Apple can go after who leaked 8A425 because someone violated an NDA/Developer contract. In doing so they can get the log files and see who downloaded it. With the GM release they would just be going after the "pirates". In the past, they've never chased after "pirates", but they have successfully gone after the person(s?) that leaked a pre-release and got access to the logs showing who downloaded it. Either way of course it's a risk, and people are far more nervous about torrenting Apple software than they were before. Me? $95 on Amazon...is TOTALLY worth it!

    4. Re:Torrent, anybody? by jimbolaya · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you are a college student or an educator, you can get Tiger at a discount. (If you aren't, make sure you know a student or educator!) For Panther, the edu discount price was $65; presumably, Tiger will be the same.

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      There ain't no rules here; we're trying to accomplish something.

    5. Re:Torrent, anybody? by Monx · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I bought 10.1 when I was a student. In college, I had friends who would spend more than that in a few nights of drinking. I still have that 10.1 box. Their beers are long gone though.

    6. Re:Torrent, anybody? by capmilk · · Score: 3, Funny

      I bet 10.1 still gives you headaches today. Their beers don't.

    7. Re:Torrent, anybody? by easter1916 · · Score: 2, Funny

      A *FEW* nights drinking? In my day that'd last for the first 17 minutes of a good drinking session. Good Lord, you youngsters are falling down on the job of being drunken students.

  3. Tiger by hunterx11 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Tyger! Tyger! burning bright In the forests of the night. What immortal hand or eye Could frame thy fearful final build?

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    English is easier said than done.
    1. Re:Tiger by arodland · · Score: 5, Funny

      That rhymes even worse than the original.

  4. List of Devices? by jmenezes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seeing as how I'm in the process of looking for a new phone, is there a list of soon-to-be supported devices?

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    Stop over-analyzing your analizations
    1. Re:List of Devices? by SpankMonkeyPox · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here is the current list: http://www.apple.com/isync/devices.html

    2. Re:List of Devices? by minus_273 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      isync API is open in 10.4. I was writing a sync for Qtopia to ical and stopped when i realized that 10.4 would make it really easy

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      The war with islam is a war on the beast
      The war on terror is a war for peace
  5. Well... by EvilStein · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The "rumour sites" have been saying that the recent build was going to be the GM... aaaaaand... WWDC *is* coming up. (June 6-10) AND Steve Jobs did say something about it being ready during the first half of 2005.

    Coincidence? Maybe. :P Someone jumping the gun a bit and showing off 10.4 when they're probably not supposed to? Likely. ;)

  6. connect via 9500's T-Mobile connection? by sulli · · Score: 3, Funny

    Let's hope he doesn't keep his contact list and amateur pr0n synced à la Paris Hilton.

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    sulli
    RTFJ.
  7. FOSE is kind of like the GTC by EvilStein · · Score: 4, Informative

    GTC = Government Technology Conference, held around this time in Sacramento, CA.

    Chances are, they're showcasing 10.4 to Government buyers. This is not uncommon, actually. I saw the iMac at the GTC expo months before the unit was available to the public. At that time, it was 1 of only 7 completed iMacs - Apple was more than happy to showcase it to the Government & Educational buyers.

    Heck, Apple was showing 10.4 at booths at Macworld - why not? "Look what you can look forward to!" ;)

  8. This just in.. by ShaniaTwain · · Score: 5, Funny

    A product that is due to come out soon may be coming out soon. Stay tuned for updates.

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    Starsucks
  9. Tiger timeline and iSync supported devices by standards · · Score: 4, Informative

    It isn't a surprise that Apple is now touting 10.4 (aka "Tiger") at the trade shows. It is very close to release - and although it has rumored to have "gone gold", its availability is still rumored to be several weeks away.

    In terms of iSync, it has been rumored that it will be upgraded to support more devices, but the precise list has not been made available. Hopefully device manufacturers are smart enough to get their (favored) phones represented in the list of devices they sell... but clearly, some manufacturers are sunsetting a bunch of devices - and so the financial advantage of iSync support for end-of-life products is dubious.

    1. Re:Tiger timeline and iSync supported devices by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not "10.4 (aka 'Tiger')." Tiger isn't a nickname or a code name. The actual name of the product is "Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger."

      It's a branding thing. People respond more and more quickly to names than they do to numbers.

      Thus ends my utterly irrelevant trivia post for the day.

  10. Torrent Roar! by Altima(BoB) · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bah, who needs a torrent?? What this report is missing is the big-cat codename. What could it be? Puma's been done (back in beta) so no Red vs Blue jokes there... Lynx probably won't happen. Perhaps 10.4 Ocelot could glean some Metal Gear Solid humor but it's a bit too niche, even for Slashdot ("Damn!") plus not very catchy, it being more than two syllables.

    Ultimately they'll probably go for Leopard or Cheetah, the former offers Jaguar's pimp visual stylings to the (quartz) extreme while the latter would seem to indicate... uhh... Well that one stumped me.

    But were I given my choice, I'd probably go for Lyger, the illegitimate bastard child of two different species, unable to further propagate itself, but still something you don't want to get angry.

    To any who might think this is flamebait, Nah, I've been using Macs since I was 2. Bring on the jokes.

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    Yup...
    1. Re:Torrent Roar! by fuct_onion · · Score: 5, Funny

      ++ vote for 'Liger'!...

      Deb: "What are you drawing?"
      Napoleon: "A Liger"
      Deb: "What's a Liger?"
      Napoleon: "It's probably my favorite animal. It's a cross between a lion and tiger. It's bred for its skills in magic."

  11. I was at FOSE too.... by CajunArson · · Score: 4, Informative

    And Tiger was on display. Although the Apple guys were tight lipped about whether it was official or not (don't fire anyone Steve they didn't spill the beans!)
    Even more interesting from my perspective was that from the talks I had with them, their server line and the X-raid stuff is starting to garner a lot more interest in government areas that were previously closed to anything related to Apple. I'd seen their stuff online, but once you get to see it first-hand and see the prices it's difficult to see why this stuff is so freakin' cool.

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    1. Re:I was at FOSE too.... by CajunArson · · Score: 4, Funny

      AAAGGGH!!! Ok... last line....
      it's not difficult to see why this stuff is so freakin' cool

      Long day walking the floor at FOSE

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      AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
  12. List of devices that will work with iSync? by SteelV · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I want to get a power book as soon as tiger comes out on them (probably not for a few months, regardless). Is there some way to find out what devices are supported, so I can make sure to get a cellphone that is? Also, if i got a cell phone with a 128 meg card like this one (motorola E398), will I be able to back up many of my text documents (as in almost all of them, up to the storage capacity) using iSync to the phone, or just contact info?

    Thanks.

    1. Re:List of devices that will work with iSync? by Psychic+Burrito · · Score: 5, Informative

      List of compatible iSync devices. Currently addresses version 10.3, but wait until 10.4 is out and the list will prolly be updated immeditately.

      Cheers!

  13. Sharing internet to Bluetooth still does not work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Apparently, Tiger still can't share its internet connection to Bluetooth devices though. This is so bad for us with PDAs. :(

    You can share your Bluetooth connection *to* wifi/eth0, but you can't share your wifi/modem/eth0 *to* Bluetooth devices. And all the third party hacks are just not reliable.

    Apparently Linux can do it reliably.

  14. OS X Liger by Absentminded-Artist · · Score: 4, Funny

    Rumor Site: What the next OS you're releasing? Apple: OS X Liger. Rumor Site: What's a liger? Apple: It's pretty much our favorite OS. It's like Panther and Tiger mixed... bred for its skills in magic. Rumor Site: Oooooh

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    1. Re:OS X Liger by emilymildew · · Score: 4, Funny

      Go see Napoleon Dynamite. GP was making a joke, ya dweeb.

    2. Re:OS X Liger by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are you honestly trying to tell us that this doesn't have magical powers? Wait until it stalks you in stealth mode.

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      It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
  15. FACT! by derniers · · Score: 2, Funny

    FACT! Ligers actually exist (despite their whimsical use in Napoleon Dynamite): http://www.tigers-animal-actors.com/about/liger/li ger.html FWIW: I'm also waiting on the release of 10.4 before ordering a powerbook

  16. 10.4 will be out within 10 days... by doormat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Because Apple is introducing new versions of lots of software at NAB for video editing and whatnot (shake, etc). NAB starts next tuesday.

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    The Doormat

    If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.
  17. What I would like to see in iSync by RatBastard · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You know what I'd like to see supported with iSync? Plain old USB thumb/jump/key/etc... drives.

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    Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
    1. Re:What I would like to see in iSync by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's a good idea. You're basically asking for sync-to-file. You should submit it as a feature request. I'll check Radar in a couple of days (making myself an iCal to-do as we speak) and if it's not in there, I'll add it myself.

  18. Re:Any Comment on Release Date by CmdrStone · · Score: 4, Informative

    The rep is the one that showed me the build number. In the classic, wink - wink, nudge - nudge, say no more - say no more, type fashion.

    He was standing beside me when I clicked on the "About this Mac" option which showed the 10.4. I said out loud, "Cool it has Tiger!" He then took the mouse and did something to have the About This Mac box show the build number.

    I'm sure someone out there knows how to show the build number with / instead of the version number. I don't remember if the version number was displaying at the same time as the build number after the rep. I just distinctly remember the build number and the big smile on his face.

  19. Acronyms by osmosis? by michaeldot · · Score: 5, Informative

    How are people supposed to "just know" the acronyms that pop up?

    I didn't have a clue what FOSE stood for. I clicked the link to its home page, and not once is it defined there.

    A quick Google search fixed this (FOSE - Federal Office Systems Exposition) but really: are things like this so commonly known that they don't need to be defined?

  20. Re:Any Comment on Release Date by clarkcox3 · · Score: 4, Informative
    I'm sure someone out there knows how to show the build number with / instead of the version number. I don't remember if the version number was displaying at the same time as the build number after the rep. I just distinctly remember the build number and the big smile on his face.

    Just click on the version number in the About box, and it will switch to the build number; click again, and it'll display the serial number.

    --
    There are no tiger attacks in my area and it's all because this rock I'm holding keeps the tigers away.
  21. What's the Hold Up? by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 5, Informative
    If Apple's internal teams have gone final (and that's a big IF) it's not uncommon for a release to still be waiting on:
    • notification of changes in code licensed from a vendor or third-party
    • a multiple week soak time after the code freeze to discover bugs (eat your own dog food for a while)
    • exhaustive documentation of the final changes (both to users and developers)
    Even if all of this has been finalized as the rumors indicate, there are still other reasons why a release would be delayed after going final, including:
    • Finding the best marketing opportunity to make the introduction (which I know little of).
    • Ensuring that one's unfinished hardware has only expected problems and incompatabilities (if any at all).
    • Letting the application teams (Final Cut, iWork, iLife, etc) get their work fully compliant before release (the market does have higher expectations for Apple authored apps).

    While the Mac rumor sites have been speculating on an early release of Tiger since it was announced last June, I don't think that their rumor-mongering does anything to speed up its release and quite possibly:

    • delays distribution of the gold master to developers.
    • delays the public announcement until Apple is seen as the one setting the expectations rather than the rumor sites.
    • makes open discussion of releases beyond Tiger even more secretive.
    Personally, I'm still running Panther. I've got a backup plan, blank media, and a time estimate of about 3 days downtime needed to transition to Tiger and test my setup once it comes out. Beyond that, I've made no plans that depend on an unreleased or rumored feature. I'm anxious for that release date to get here, but I'm prepared as well as I can whether that date is tomorrow or June 30th.
    1. Re:What's the Hold Up? by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Three days is the total time I can be without my Mac if something goes horribly wrong with a peripheral or app that I can't live without. I hope the upgrade to Tiger will go without a hitch, but I'm planning for disaster in case something like my Internet router upgrades itself to incompatible firmware or my printer stops working and it has to be set up to print via a Windows box.

      The time for the backup, clean install, reinstall of apps, reconfiguring of prefs is about a half day. The extra time is so that I can:

      • Run some tests to make sure everything is working.
      • Troubleshoot a malfunctioning app or peripheral under Tiger.
      • Restore Panther system from backup and migrate work from Tiger.
      • Purchase replacement app / device if still broken
      This also allows for the runarounds I'm bound to get from support helplines who aren't ready to support their products on Tiger yet. (Not that tech support is wonderfully responsive when they are prepared.)

      In those situations, I really don't want to be facing a deadline or hostile customer during the first three days of a Tiger install so I just make sure I have that extra time just in case... And if I happen to have a trouble-free upgrade, then I'll have a couple of days to play around and be completely unproductive while I play around and get accustomed to the new install :-)

    2. Re:What's the Hold Up? by zoltamatron · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I totally agree with all your theories about the holdup of Tiger, but I think you may have forgotten about production. Last I heard pre-orders for Tiger were outselling TurboTax during tax season, so perhaps they are making sure they have enough copies available before they go and announce a product and then tell you that you might be able to find it on store shelves in six to eight weeks. It does take time to stuff all those boxes with freshly pressed and gold mastered software CDs.....

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    3. Re:What's the Hold Up? by MonkeyBoy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why go through all the hassle of reinstalling? Why not get a 2nd HD and just use Carbon Copy Cloner to duplicate your perfectly-working setup prior to the upgrade?

      That'll take maybe 30 minutes (just be sure to quit all running apps prior to starting up CCC). Booting off of it, to verify it boots, then switching back to your original boot drive, should take another 5. If you have any custom folders off the root, be sure to copy them over at this time, but the standard OSX folders will get copied (applications, library, user, etc) by CCC.

      Then you can do your 10.4 install and worst case if it all goes to hell you can just boot off your other HD and be back up and running in the time it takes to restart and boot off your backup drive. If you want the extra speed or something you can erase your original boot drive and CCC the working setup back.

      I CCC before every minor rev install (10.3.x), I'm sure as hell going to do it before a major rev install 10.x). It save a hell of a lot of time. Someone please buy Mike Bombich a beer or something.

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  22. Well, it would be nice if Apple fixed... by meme_police · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...thisbefore allowing their vendors to add more crappy conduits and then taking forever to fix their old root exploitable ones.

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    The meme police, They live inside of my head

  23. No, jumping the gun, very UNLIKELY by CatOne · · Score: 2, Informative

    Apple images ALL the demo machines, and puts very SPECIFIC builds on them. If a machine is plugged into to the Union's power strip on the floor, you can rest assured that it was APPROVED to be shown on the floor.

  24. Apple Lawyers... by CatGrep · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...are now moving in your direction.

    1. Re:Apple Lawyers... by CatGrep · · Score: 2, Funny

      Troll? Boy, those Apple lawyers are serious! An hour ago this was rated '3 Funny'. Someone doesn't have much of a sense of humor.

  25. Improved Palm support would be nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's great that the list of supported devices is expanded and everything, but do you suppose Apple could get their iSync Palm Conduit to work a little better? I wouldn't mind if they could get the devices they currently support to work better before they start adding support for every phone on the planet.

  26. Wolverine is a Linux distro by mamladm · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wolverine is already in use for an embedded Linux distro customised for Firewall and VPN server use.

    http://www.coyotelinux.com/products.php?Product=wo lverine

    Apple would not be able to use Wolverine for any software product unless they buy out Vortech who have a common law trademark on the name, etablished by many years of marketing their Firewall/VPN Linux distro.

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  27. Re:now if only by SPY_jmr1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wish tiger would run on my intel i830 mobo too... think it needs more then 64M ram, maybe?

  28. FTE with DOS by LPetrazickis · · Score: 3, Funny

    So... would being an FTE with DOS make you a Frickin' Teledildonics Engineer with the Department of Sex? Or a Faster-Than-Everything with Denial-of-Service? I am not really clear on that point.

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    Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
  29. I know people are jackasses about.... by AvantLegion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ... acronyms and missing info in titles, and usually they're just being tools. But for this story, I think it would help to say "Mac OS X 10.4" instead of just "10.4". At least it had the "Apple: " part prefixing it.

  30. Re:Just speed up the GUI for christ's sake... by aanantha · · Score: 4, Informative
    They did. Tiger introduces Quartz 2D Extreme. You just need a card that with fragment and vertex shading (aka DirectX 9 capable in the Windows world). Information about it here:

    http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/ 8300945231/m/886008328631/r/886008328631/

    And don't knock Spotlight until you've tried it. You don't like instantaneous searching?

  31. Going all the way by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you're going to change it, might as well finish it off:


    Tyger! Tyger! Burning Gold
    In the burners to be sold.
    What immortal slot or tray
    Could load thee come time for GA?

    In what distant road or skies,
    Might come the discs that makes search fly?
    On what wings to us do speed,
    A Dashboard to hold small things we need?

    And what shoulder and what art,
    Can automate the things that aren't?
    Why it's Automator - pretty sweet!
    Should I buy it? In a beat!

    As you can tell by the last verse it's about time for me to give up :-)

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  32. Re:How can I submit feature requests to Apple? by Kesh · · Score: 2, Informative

    n/t stands for "no text." It's a cheap way of putting your statement into the subject line, and then not actually writing a post. The system won't take a blank post, though, so people started using n/t as filler, while letting you know that there's no actual post to read. Some places also use NP or n/p for "no post."

  33. Um. by Onan · · Score: 4, Funny

    So your point is that Apple is making more progress more quickly than any other OS vendor you can name, frequently giving us the choice to upgrade to improved features, speed, security, and stability... and you for some reason feel that people would be upset by this?

    Oh, I guess maybe you mean users of all non-Apple OSs. Yeah, I suppose they do have a pretty damn good reason to be grumpy.

  34. Re:Sharing internet to Bluetooth still does not wo by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 5, Informative

    Have you gotten a good answer on this yet? From skimming it looks like you haven't. Let me help.

    Internet sharing on the Mac works through DHCP. When you turn on Internet sharing on a given interface, an instance of the DHCP server is launched bound to that interface and the kernel is configured to route packets from that interface to the default route.

    Bluetooth doesn't work like that. There's no IP-over-Bluetooth. Instead, Bluetooth works like a serial port. While yes, you can certainly shuttle IP over serial using PPP, that's not how the Mac's Internet sharing works.

    Why not? Because exactly zero people have submitted feature requests. At this point, the feature list for Mac OS X is so deep, a feature has to be requested by tens of thousands of people before it bubbles up to the top.

    So if you get together with 19,999 of your closest friends and submit requests to Radar, I'm sure we'll get right on it.

    I know this sounds elitist, but the bottom line is that we only have so many programmers. They can't scratch every user's every itch. If we tried ... well, frankly, we'd be shipping a product with tons of bugs, no documentation and zero user experience. There are already products like that out there. Lots of people like them. Maybe one would be better for you.

  35. Re:Yey for Tiger! by wootest · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Rich.

    The features the summary is toting is the acceptance of more phones *specifically* in the *sync* solution in OS X. You can still *connect* with any phone over bluetooth just as easily as you can on Windows, and probably sync as well because an open standard (SyncML) is used.

  36. Re:How can I submit feature requests to Apple? by genglish · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Apple guys always say to just post your bug and they'll work out if it's a duplicate. They count duplicatations as votes for getting that bug fixed or feature implemented.

    Guy

  37. Not that anyone will read this. by Microsift · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's nothing in the Apple copy protection scheme that prevents me from installing their Pro software on more than one box. All their activation number does is allow me to use the software, it doesn't inform Apple that I've installed it. It does add some hassle, but it's a one time thing, and is pretty much standard across the industry (Adobe's Photoshop has done the same thing for years).

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  38. Here is how you do it ... by mamladm · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't think it is as complicated as you seem to describe it.

    What stops you from starting natd and adding two rules to ipfw to route all packets between the interface associated with your WAN connection, eg. eth0 and whichever interface is associated with your bluetooth device, eg. ppp0.

    I did this back in the day of OSX 10.1 when there was no internet sharing option in the network preference panel and it worked just fine.

    The guys as afp548.com still have the HOWTO article online from the time when there was no internet sharing option in the GUI ...

    http://www.afp548.com/articles/system/natserver.ht ml

    Since packet routing is a generic feature built-in to the BSD core of OSX it will work no matter what your ethernet interfaces are. It shouldn't matter if it's ultimately sitting on a physical bluetooth layer or not.

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    1. Re:Here is how you do it ... by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What stops you? The fact that that's a massively stupid thing to have to do to a computer.

      Look, I understand your point. "Just do it this way, it's simple." But I would never, ever recommend something like that to a Mac user. The fact that it's possible doesn't mean it's something to brag about. If you're happy with an answer like that, you're probably not a Mac user. You're probably happy with something like Linux already. And frankly, if that's the case, you wouldn't be asking. You would already know how to do it because, like, you have to know how to do those things in order to make Linux work on a network. So bottom line, if you're asking the question, that answer will just make you mad.

  39. release date? by gphinch · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well I preordered Tiger from Amazon.com ($35 mail-in rebate and another $30 off for getting an Amazon Visa, how could I say no at that price) and on my invoice the shipping date is "between May 31, 2005 and May 31, 2005"

    The cat's out of the bag?

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