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10.4 on Display at FOSE
CmdrStone writes "Just thought I'd post to let people know that while at FOSE today in the Washington, D.C. Convention center I lingered at the Apple pavilion / booth. To my surprise every machine had 10.4 running. The build number matches the build number found on the rumor sites; 8A428. Does this presage Tiger hitting the shelves soon? Personally, my main interest was how much iSync was expanded to support more devices, phones, etc. The Apple rep confirmed that the number of devices has expanded. He lamented that his Symbian phone, the Nokia 9500 Communicator, still was not included in the supported phones. He did tell me that he was able to tether his Powerbook and get online via his 9500's T-Mobile connection."
It did go gold about a week ago, so yes you should see it on store shelves soon.
Anybody manage to make off with a hard drive from one of those Macs, image it and make a .torrent of it?
Tyger! Tyger! burning bright In the forests of the night. What immortal hand or eye Could frame thy fearful final build?
English is easier said than done.
Seeing as how I'm in the process of looking for a new phone, is there a list of soon-to-be supported devices?
Stop over-analyzing your analizations
The "rumour sites" have been saying that the recent build was going to be the GM... aaaaaand... WWDC *is* coming up. (June 6-10) AND Steve Jobs did say something about it being ready during the first half of 2005.
:P Someone jumping the gun a bit and showing off 10.4 when they're probably not supposed to? Likely. ;)
Coincidence? Maybe.
Let's hope he doesn't keep his contact list and amateur pr0n synced à la Paris Hilton.
sulli
RTFJ.
GTC = Government Technology Conference, held around this time in Sacramento, CA.
;)
Chances are, they're showcasing 10.4 to Government buyers. This is not uncommon, actually. I saw the iMac at the GTC expo months before the unit was available to the public. At that time, it was 1 of only 7 completed iMacs - Apple was more than happy to showcase it to the Government & Educational buyers.
Heck, Apple was showing 10.4 at booths at Macworld - why not? "Look what you can look forward to!"
A product that is due to come out soon may be coming out soon. Stay tuned for updates.
Starsucks
It isn't a surprise that Apple is now touting 10.4 (aka "Tiger") at the trade shows. It is very close to release - and although it has rumored to have "gone gold", its availability is still rumored to be several weeks away.
In terms of iSync, it has been rumored that it will be upgraded to support more devices, but the precise list has not been made available. Hopefully device manufacturers are smart enough to get their (favored) phones represented in the list of devices they sell... but clearly, some manufacturers are sunsetting a bunch of devices - and so the financial advantage of iSync support for end-of-life products is dubious.
Bah, who needs a torrent?? What this report is missing is the big-cat codename. What could it be? Puma's been done (back in beta) so no Red vs Blue jokes there... Lynx probably won't happen. Perhaps 10.4 Ocelot could glean some Metal Gear Solid humor but it's a bit too niche, even for Slashdot ("Damn!") plus not very catchy, it being more than two syllables.
Ultimately they'll probably go for Leopard or Cheetah, the former offers Jaguar's pimp visual stylings to the (quartz) extreme while the latter would seem to indicate... uhh... Well that one stumped me.
But were I given my choice, I'd probably go for Lyger, the illegitimate bastard child of two different species, unable to further propagate itself, but still something you don't want to get angry.
To any who might think this is flamebait, Nah, I've been using Macs since I was 2. Bring on the jokes.
Yup...
And Tiger was on display. Although the Apple guys were tight lipped about whether it was official or not (don't fire anyone Steve they didn't spill the beans!)
Even more interesting from my perspective was that from the talks I had with them, their server line and the X-raid stuff is starting to garner a lot more interest in government areas that were previously closed to anything related to Apple. I'd seen their stuff online, but once you get to see it first-hand and see the prices it's difficult to see why this stuff is so freakin' cool.
AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
I want to get a power book as soon as tiger comes out on them (probably not for a few months, regardless). Is there some way to find out what devices are supported, so I can make sure to get a cellphone that is? Also, if i got a cell phone with a 128 meg card like this one (motorola E398), will I be able to back up many of my text documents (as in almost all of them, up to the storage capacity) using iSync to the phone, or just contact info?
Thanks.
Gee, and here I was mixing up Tiger with 10.3... Ugh I feel SO stupid. Please feel free to transplant my post to the future, when identical speculation on OS X 10.5 arises...
I need a drink.
Yup...
You can share your Bluetooth connection *to* wifi/eth0, but you can't share your wifi/modem/eth0 *to* Bluetooth devices. And all the third party hacks are just not reliable.
Apparently Linux can do it reliably.
Rumor Site: What the next OS you're releasing? Apple: OS X Liger. Rumor Site: What's a liger? Apple: It's pretty much our favorite OS. It's like Panther and Tiger mixed... bred for its skills in magic. Rumor Site: Oooooh
The Splintered Mind - Overcoming
Mac OS X?
I always thought Chip was a Linux user?
FACT! Ligers actually exist (despite their whimsical use in Napoleon Dynamite): http://www.tigers-animal-actors.com/about/liger/li ger.html
FWIW: I'm also waiting on the release of 10.4 before ordering a powerbook
Because Apple is introducing new versions of lots of software at NAB for video editing and whatnot (shake, etc). NAB starts next tuesday.
The Doormat
If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.
You know what I'd like to see supported with iSync? Plain old USB thumb/jump/key/etc... drives.
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
The rep is the one that showed me the build number. In the classic, wink - wink, nudge - nudge, say no more - say no more, type fashion.
He was standing beside me when I clicked on the "About this Mac" option which showed the 10.4. I said out loud, "Cool it has Tiger!" He then took the mouse and did something to have the About This Mac box show the build number.
I'm sure someone out there knows how to show the build number with / instead of the version number. I don't remember if the version number was displaying at the same time as the build number after the rep. I just distinctly remember the build number and the big smile on his face.
How are people supposed to "just know" the acronyms that pop up?
I didn't have a clue what FOSE stood for. I clicked the link to its home page, and not once is it defined there.
A quick Google search fixed this (FOSE - Federal Office Systems Exposition) but really: are things like this so commonly known that they don't need to be defined?
Just click on the version number in the About box, and it will switch to the build number; click again, and it'll display the serial number.
There are no tiger attacks in my area and it's all because this rock I'm holding keeps the tigers away.
- notification of changes in code licensed from a vendor or third-party
- a multiple week soak time after the code freeze to discover bugs (eat your own dog food for a while)
- exhaustive documentation of the final changes (both to users and developers)
Even if all of this has been finalized as the rumors indicate, there are still other reasons why a release would be delayed after going final, including:While the Mac rumor sites have been speculating on an early release of Tiger since it was announced last June, I don't think that their rumor-mongering does anything to speed up its release and quite possibly:
- delays distribution of the gold master to developers.
- delays the public announcement until Apple is seen as the one setting the expectations rather than the rumor sites.
- makes open discussion of releases beyond Tiger even more secretive.
Personally, I'm still running Panther. I've got a backup plan, blank media, and a time estimate of about 3 days downtime needed to transition to Tiger and test my setup once it comes out. Beyond that, I've made no plans that depend on an unreleased or rumored feature. I'm anxious for that release date to get here, but I'm prepared as well as I can whether that date is tomorrow or June 30th....thisbefore allowing their vendors to add more crappy conduits and then taking forever to fix their old root exploitable ones.
The meme police, They live inside of my head
It's great that he could bridge to his 9500 and connect, but I guess one could also just run the Symbian version of PuTTY as well. I use it and it works great on my 9500.
Question is, did the Apple branded phone make that list of phones that can sync. Thus, we know it will make it to market at some point.
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Apple images ALL the demo machines, and puts very SPECIFIC builds on them. If a machine is plugged into to the Union's power strip on the floor, you can rest assured that it was APPROVED to be shown on the floor.
click on the release text. It first shows the build number, then your machine's serial number. Quite handy when calling apple so you don't have to bend around the machine / lift the keyboard etc.
Jisho - A Japanese English German Russian French Dictionary for the rest of us.
You can setup a PPP server, though, and connect through that with most PDAs.
English is easier said than done.
...are now moving in your direction.
It's great that the list of supported devices is expanded and everything, but do you suppose Apple could get their iSync Palm Conduit to work a little better? I wouldn't mind if they could get the devices they currently support to work better before they start adding support for every phone on the planet.
Wolverine is already in use for an embedded Linux distro customised for Firewall and VPN server use.
o lverine
http://www.coyotelinux.com/products.php?Product=w
Apple would not be able to use Wolverine for any software product unless they buy out Vortech who have a common law trademark on the name, etablished by many years of marketing their Firewall/VPN Linux distro.
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That seems pretty weird to me. Isn't that half the beauty of OS X? You can use the standard UNIX command-line tools to customise the system in ways the apple designers didn't envision? Otherwise you may as well run XP.
Well, that's my best information, but if we each choose one day each, someone is bound to be correct.
This was reported on a year ago.
I paid the going retail price for a Windows screen reader and got a free Unix computer!
From an inside source.
"...a feature that it should have been there in the first place in the pref panels."
...
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/System/Library and third party panes live in /Library.
With all due respect, that is patent nonsense. Apple will have had a reason why they didn't make this built-in feature available in their preference pane. Perhaps there was a bug in their pane code that didn't get fixed in time and was thus removed, perhaps something else. In any event, the feature of routing packets between any given network interfaces is built-in to OSX.
There are tons of built-in features for which there are no preference panes and which are thus only accessible on the command line. In such a situation, you can always write your own preference pane to enable and disable those features.
Apple's developer documentation shows you how to write your own preference panes
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExpe
Apple has even included a template in Xcode for creating preference panes to make this as easy as possible. They certainly wouldn't be doing this if non-Apple preference panes were discouraged.
The only convention on Apple vs. 3rd party preference panes is that Apple supplied panes live in
Besides, Apple are doing these things in exactly the same way. They use the built-in features of the BSD subsystem where available and write a preference pane to enable and configure those features which are already there.
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I wonder if the Girls of OS X wanting to get their Symbian connectivity should in the meantime simply enjoy another kind of symbian satisfaction until OS X supports the phone kind. ;)
--- Old Time NeXThead
I believe it's the release version, it went GM about a week ago.
"He did tell me that he was able to tether his Powerbook and get online via his 9500's T-Mobile connection"
i've been doing this with an MS smartphone (Samsung i600) and a Mac Powerbook Al.15" 1.25ghz since Sept 2003 (10.2, now 10.3), onto Verizon using a standard plan.
no need for 10.4 check out pdaphonehome.com
just add a new modem, to a new location. get the modem to emulate from the forum, then dial the VZE number w/ std. username and pw.
If she floats, she's a witch.
I wish tiger would run on my intel i830 mobo too... think it needs more then 64M ram, maybe?
you probably only half understand it (since geeks do it too, just not quite as often as Gvt people do). And I say this with good humor given that I am a FTE with DOS.
The exploit compiles and gets a root console on my 10.3.8 box, which isn't missing any updates.
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
n/t
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
I'm sure someone out there knows how to show the build number with / instead of the version number. I don't remember if the version number was displaying at the same time as the build number after the rep. I just distinctly remember the build number and the big smile on his face.
On panther go to about this mac
where it says "version 10.3.8", click the text
it'll change
...and that's all there is to it.
I've worked for the Federal Government for 10 years, and I didn't know what it stood for. So I went to the FOSE.com site to try to find a definition for the acronym... and found nothin!
t ems%22&as_sitesearch=fose.com
This Google query confirms that the definition of the acronym is nowhere to be found at FOSE.com:
http://www.google.com/search?as_epq=%22office+sys
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
All i can think about is the scene in The Simpsons episode 1f08 ($pringfield) where Gunter and Ernst capture their white tiger.
"Hey Tiger! " "Wake up" and they dart the tiger.
My mind insists on remembering this as "yoohoo!! TIgrrrr!!
So when i hear Mac OS 10.4 all i can do is run ja, hello tiger yoohoo in my head and giggle. I'm compelled to make tiger claw hands when i do this...
So... would being an FTE with DOS make you a Frickin' Teledildonics Engineer with the Department of Sex? Or a Faster-Than-Everything with Denial-of-Service? I am not really clear on that point.
Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/ 8300945231/m/886008328631/r/886008328631/
And don't knock Spotlight until you've tried it. You don't like instantaneous searching?
NAB
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
Actually, MissingSync does do it wirelessly. It simulates a serial port over bluetooth. I use it personally to connect wirelessly to my computer with my Palm. The problem is that you can't use internet and sync at the same time.
English is easier said than done.
If you're going to change it, might as well finish it off:
:-)
Tyger! Tyger! Burning Gold
In the burners to be sold.
What immortal slot or tray
Could load thee come time for GA?
In what distant road or skies,
Might come the discs that makes search fly?
On what wings to us do speed,
A Dashboard to hold small things we need?
And what shoulder and what art,
Can automate the things that aren't?
Why it's Automator - pretty sweet!
Should I buy it? In a beat!
As you can tell by the last verse it's about time for me to give up
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
So your point is that Apple is making more progress more quickly than any other OS vendor you can name, frequently giving us the choice to upgrade to improved features, speed, security, and stability... and you for some reason feel that people would be upset by this?
Oh, I guess maybe you mean users of all non-Apple OSs. Yeah, I suppose they do have a pretty damn good reason to be grumpy.
'Slashdot is FOR licking Steve's ass now.'
I don't care what part of Steve's anatomy you are. I'm NOT going to lick you. So there....
"Oh drat these computers, they're so naughty and so complex, I could pinch them." --Marvin the Martian
That's not true. Since Mac OS X is simply a Unix under the hood, all you need is to set up a Bluetooth serial port (can be done in System Settings) and let pppd run on that port. I have that setup running here without problems (similar to this actually). If Eugenia can't manage it, it doesn't mean that it is impossible. Of course it's another thing if you complain that this is not possible via a nice System Settings panel, I give you that.
Have you gotten a good answer on this yet? From skimming it looks like you haven't. Let me help.
... well, frankly, we'd be shipping a product with tons of bugs, no documentation and zero user experience. There are already products like that out there. Lots of people like them. Maybe one would be better for you.
Internet sharing on the Mac works through DHCP. When you turn on Internet sharing on a given interface, an instance of the DHCP server is launched bound to that interface and the kernel is configured to route packets from that interface to the default route.
Bluetooth doesn't work like that. There's no IP-over-Bluetooth. Instead, Bluetooth works like a serial port. While yes, you can certainly shuttle IP over serial using PPP, that's not how the Mac's Internet sharing works.
Why not? Because exactly zero people have submitted feature requests. At this point, the feature list for Mac OS X is so deep, a feature has to be requested by tens of thousands of people before it bubbles up to the top.
So if you get together with 19,999 of your closest friends and submit requests to Radar, I'm sure we'll get right on it.
I know this sounds elitist, but the bottom line is that we only have so many programmers. They can't scratch every user's every itch. If we tried
Wow. Easily one of the most uninformed comments I've ever seen. Setting aside for a minute the fact that "the GUI is slow" is not a meaningful comment, the phrase "expand Cocoa APIs to cover things like Quicktime and Web Objects" doesn't even make sense. Do you know what WebObjects is?
There are no tiger attacks in my area and it's all because this rock I'm holding keeps the tigers away.
Well would you please put down your rock so that we can have Tiger already?!
Rich.
The features the summary is toting is the acceptance of more phones *specifically* in the *sync* solution in OS X. You can still *connect* with any phone over bluetooth just as easily as you can on Windows, and probably sync as well because an open standard (SyncML) is used.
ciao
Honestly, I don't give a monkey "how osx works".
That's plain retarded.
What I do give a monkey for, is how *I* do my work.
And you don't see the connection between the two?
it's just that I need that one additional feature too.
That feature exists in OS X, and is easier to set up than it is in Linux, and if you bothered to read the OS News article you linked to, you'd know that.
It's always been a place for Unix minded people to discuss the current best of breed Unix-like operating system opinion. ;)
http://homepage.mac.com/blakespot/PhotoAlbum14.ht
Going again today, will have a gallery of this year's FOSE up shortly. Stay tuned.
blakespot
-- Heisenberg may have slept here.
iPod Hacks.com
I work no more than 15 minutes walk from there. I'm going to have to see if I can check it out over my lunch break. What luck, it seems like this kind of stuff only happens on the west coast.
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Has anyone else found FOSE to be less interesting this year and becoming less and less interesting each progressive year? I walked the floor in a little more than a couple of hours and really wasn't impressed with much. Even the DoD pavillion used the same "hanging soldiers" from the ceiling as last year. It seemed that some of the vendors were "calling it in" and there wasn't that much new and exciting to see.
Bark less. Wag more.
So, are you saying that because Apple has a short QuickTime demo of Dashboard and Spotlight and Automator and a half dozen other "top ten" features of Tiger that there is no point discussing these further?
How do you embed links in /. posts without getting the stupid trailing domain in brackets? like this
I paid the going retail price for a Windows screen reader and got a free Unix computer!
Apparently, it's a guvmint acronym of some kind, or maybe it just plays one on tv, but what does it stand for? Federal Out of Software Experience? Friends of Software Excellently written by Bill? Frankly Overrated Software Engineers?
``Tension, apprehension & dissension have begun!'' - Duffy Wyg&, in Alfred Bester's _The Demolished Man_
The problem is that you can't use internet and sync at the same time.
I wonder if that's a routing issue? At one time it was impossible to use a broadband connection and a VPN tunnel at the same time, but someone figured out a fix
'Your brain is God.' -- Dr. Timothy Leary
See, for most Mac users, clicking things is like Guru level 4 type stuff.
-runs away
Connecting with Bluetooth phones has nothing to do with SyncML. True. Let's see what I wrote: You can still *connect* with any phone over bluetooth just as easily as you can on Windows, and probably sync as well because an open standard (SyncML) is used. The "because that isn't syncing at all, that's bluetooth" before the comma was implicit. I know the difference.
I'm aware of buggy implementations of SyncML; I wouldn't be surprised if this is why Apple have to put out new versions of iSync - to make sure they work around the bugs of some phones. It's also entirely possible that they just want to make it *official*; to say that "yes, business guy who's interested in buying a Mac but not sure if your cellphone will work with it, it DOES work with it". But again, I don't really use iSync myself that much.
There's nothing in the Apple copy protection scheme that prevents me from installing their Pro software on more than one box. All their activation number does is allow me to use the software, it doesn't inform Apple that I've installed it. It does add some hassle, but it's a one time thing, and is pretty much standard across the industry (Adobe's Photoshop has done the same thing for years).
My other sig is extremely clever...
Cant wait for 10.4, I thought they were going to delay it until WWDC...
I don't think it is as complicated as you seem to describe it.
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What stops you from starting natd and adding two rules to ipfw to route all packets between the interface associated with your WAN connection, eg. eth0 and whichever interface is associated with your bluetooth device, eg. ppp0.
I did this back in the day of OSX 10.1 when there was no internet sharing option in the network preference panel and it worked just fine.
The guys as afp548.com still have the HOWTO article online from the time when there was no internet sharing option in the GUI
http://www.afp548.com/articles/system/natserver.h
Since packet routing is a generic feature built-in to the BSD core of OSX it will work no matter what your ethernet interfaces are. It shouldn't matter if it's ultimately sitting on a physical bluetooth layer or not.
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Well I preordered Tiger from Amazon.com ($35 mail-in rebate and another $30 off for getting an Amazon Visa, how could I say no at that price) and on my invoice the shipping date is "between May 31, 2005 and May 31, 2005"
The cat's out of the bag?
in bed.
Dashboard is crap...who wants a bunch of shit all over the screen
Dashboard is cool because it stops you from needing to have crap all over the screen. If you've ever seen someone regularly use Stickies.app you'd understand how Dashboard will reduce the crap they have lying around.
"If it got gold a week ago, why I Apple sitll asking me about bug reports I submitted..."
As a developer, you of course realize they're already working on 10.4.1. Indeed, some claim they're already at build 8A432. (8A428 is gold master.)
I suspect you can. I think most bluetooth phones actually emulate 2 serial ports. set one to use one serial port and the other to use the other. that's how I have bluephone elite and isync working my bluetooth phone at the same time.
dave
Liger would be a good name for Mac OS 10.6. It could be the cross-platform release right after Lion (which is the obvious successor to Tiger).
Fundamentalism is a crime against humanity
I think the current nokia set restrict what you can do via infra-red, (as compared to bluetooth,) so my complaint was probably better directed at them rather than iSync.
That said, the iSync support page does not cover anything about IR connections that I can see. how did you set your connnection up? for me iSync has no idea about the presence of a connected, recognized IR phone.
the services available via infra-red (according to the documentation I read (I know you're not supposed to admit to that here.)) on the nokia3650 seem to be limited to using it as a modem, but file transfer is not obviously possible. some data beaming too, (phone #s and the like) but file transfers aren't covered.
notably the number of pages in the manual regarding the available utilities are heavily weighted in favor of BT, and there is woefully little on IR.
if anyone knows differently please let me know?
-- it's ridiculous how many people misspell ridiculous... (damn, damn, damn...)
Yes, your sarcasm was obvious, and misplaced. I trying to make the equally obvious point that you were not giving me enough credit. Some of us were hoping for first hand accounts of the new Tiger features. Those who attended Fose had that chance. Contrary to your apparent belief, there is something to be learned beyond Apple's advertisements!
I paid the going retail price for a Windows screen reader and got a free Unix computer!
In about a minute he created a script to download all the recent Images of the Day to a new folder and created a self-running slide show and album for them from iPhoto.
The possibilities for porn surfing boggle the mind.
I paid the going retail price for a Windows screen reader and got a free Unix computer!
ntil iWork, for example, their was no such thing as typing in a serial number in an Apple product.
Final Cut Pro
Final Cut Express
QuickTime Pro
And (although I don't own copies) I strongly suspect:
Logic
Shake
Motion
All require serial numbers. (Final Cut Pro has quite an annoying un-Mac-like installation too; you can't just drag if to your new machine the way you can with 99% of Mac apps.)
Well, I got to Fose. I didn't learn anything about VoiceOver, but I did learn something about automator. So sorry Dylan, you are wrong!
I paid the going retail price for a Windows screen reader and got a free Unix computer!