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Aeonite (Michael Fiegel) writes "The title of Planet Simpson: How a Cartoon Masterpiece Defined a Generation says it all. In its exploration of the first 15 seasons from The Simpsons, the book does much more than relate funny moments, reprint favorite quotes and point out trivia that you might have missed in your first (or fifteenth) watching of any particular episode. To be certain, those things are there, but they're really secondary to the overall 'mission' of the book, which is to relate the rise of the cartoon to the political, social and cultural realities of the 1990s and early 2000s." Read on for the rest of Fiegel's review. Planet Simpson: How a Cartoon Masterpiece Defined a Generation author Chris Turner pages 464 publisher Da Capo Press rating 7 reviewer Michael Fiegel ISBN 0306813416 summary An exploration of The Simpsons and its impact on society (and vice versa)

Perhaps in keeping with the counter-cultural, DIY, anti-authoritarian attitude of The Simpsons itself, the book is decidedly unauthorized, the back cover stating for the record that it was "not prepared, licensed, approved or endorsed by any entity involved in creating or producing The Simpsons." In fact, although episodes are referred to by their official production codes (e.g., 9F11, or "Selma's Choice"), Matt Groening and others associated with the show are quoted only second-hand, through reprinted excerpts of old interviews.

Illustrating clearly that this is his personal take on The Simpsons, Turner opens the book with a moment in time: Thursday, January 21, 1993 at around 8:20 p.m. EST in a campus pub called Alfie's at Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario. There, in a room crowded with people in various stages of inebriation, the author watches Act 3 of Episode 9F11 ("Selma's Choice") of The Simpsons, and relates how the room explodes into laughter after a series of jokes about Duff Beer and its effects (e.g., beer goggles). I don't even remember this episode, but for the author and his friends it was a moment to be remembered. The point is that The Simpsons is full of such "moments," and these, reflective of society and recited ad infinitum by fans, help us see not only the way the series has shaped our world, but the way our world has shaped the series.

Off On a Rant

The book bills itself as "the first trade book to take a look at The Simpsons as a microcosm of the Western culture that it has both influenced and reflected." But author Chris Turner never goes so far as to establish a cause-effect relationship between The Simpsons and our world. In the author's own words: "...this is, in the end, my version of The Simpsons. The show's canvas is far too broad, and the culture it reflects far too diverse and fragmented, for me or anyone else to be able to offer a completely comprehensive or definitive analysis." Rather, he places the two side-by-side and views each through the mirror of the other, usually without taking his theses too far.

There are a few moments, though, where the narrative approaches the point of hyperbole -- for example, when Turner states that The Simpsons "...was the Beatles and the Stones. It was Elvis and Chuck Berry. It was that big, that unprecedented, and that important" or that "If there is a common cultural currency, it's got Homer Simpson's picture on it." Sometimes this hyperbole gets him into a bit of a pickle, as when he refers to episode 1F13 "Deep Space Homer" as "second to none", and on the same page places it second to 9F15 "Last Exit to Springfield." This has naught to do with inaccuracy, however, and everything to do with the fact that sometimes the author's love for the show sometimes clouds his vision in tints of rose. He is, at times, a sort of Anti-Comic Book Guy, chanting "Best. Episode. Ever." as he recalls his favorite moments. Is The Simpsons truly the glue that holds postmodern society together? Or is it just one brand on the shelf (albeit perhaps the best-selling brand)? Perhaps it depends on how big a fan you are; clearly, the author is a big fan.

In other places, Turner's points are a little harder to swallow, particularly in the chapters which focus on specific characters and what they represent. I can easily buy that Homer Simpson can be compared to the nature of mainstream America, with "its hopes and dreams and insatiable appetite," but I have a harder time grasping how Bart Simpson is evocative of the style and ethos of the punk rock movement's mainstreaming. Sometimes a brat is just a brat. And does Lisa Simpson truly represent the re-emergence of progressive activism in the West, or is she just a younger sister who's smarter and nicer than her brother? Later, the author (correctly) attributes the use of the phrase "I, for one, welcome our new [fill-in-the-blank] overlords" to The Simpsons, but also claims that the use of *tumbleweed blows by* on sites like Metafilter and Slashdot can be traced to The Simpsons. This latter I have a little trouble buying at face value, and I think it's overreaching a tad.

The author also has a habit of unapologetically spiralling off into a tangential rant, a la Dennis Miller. The entire book is written in this style, with point A being related to point B suddenly being compared to point Z, and the author is quite aware of it: one of the subheads in Chapter 2 is titled "A Short, Frank Discussion (Actually More Like a Longish Rambling Examination) of Homer's Extraordinary Id." In most places, this style works for the book; in others, it nearly breaks the narrative as we sputter over a side point for a few pages.

For example, in Chapter 2, "Homer's Odyssey," there's a two-page aside where the author talks about Aunty Goethe's Peachy-Mango Love Pain juice, Space Jam, Edward Munch, PBS Documentaries and several other seemingly unrelated matters. Ultimately his point about American society is clear, but it gets a little thick toward the middle, and hard to see the forest for the trees. At another point in the same chapter, a discussion of Springfield's hysterical masses turns into five-and-a-half pages devoted to the Y2K bug, getting back to The Simpsons just in time for the chapter to end. Relevant? Perhaps, but I found myself at one point wanting more Simpsons and less substance.

Similar tangents appear throughout the book, each encompassing between several paragraphs and several pages, and covering topics such as: Kurt Cobain, Quentin Tarantino, Nike, The Onion, Radiohead, William Gibson, Bowling For Columbine, John Lennon, the WELL, Tuvalu, Cyberjaya, a website named "oo," a Portuguese bus ride, Lemonwheel, The Truman Show, and Wilco's song "Misunderstood." And perhaps, viewed all together like that, those references do make a certain sort of sense as a representation of the past 15 years, but individually they occasionally seem jarring.

Mmmmm, Pizza

The book reads, at times, like a collection of essays rather than a continuous narrative. Turner at one point discusses the show's distinctive animation style, which mixes cartoonishness and realism, as follows: "(Homer) falls like a cartoon, but he lands like a real person." This book feels like that, opening in a much more fannish, cartoonish fashion and ending in a way that's a bit more thick and scholarly. The unevenness isn't ruinous, though. Consider a pizza with a few lumps and bubbles in the dough, and maybe all the pepperoni is off to one side and there's way too many mushrooms in the middle. It's still a tasty pizza, and everyone can probably find a slice they'll enjoy.

Chapter 1, "The Life & Times of The Simpsons, serves as an introduction to both the book and the series. It first retells the series' creation myth -- that it was dreamed up in 1987 by then 33-year old Groening in about 15 minutes, so he wouldn't lose the rights to Life is Hell -- before moving on to other key points, such as its April 19, 1987 debut as a sort of Anti-Cosby Show, and its first full episode on Sunday, Dec. 17, 1989 (The Christmas Special). It discusses how the show built up its creative team of writers and voice actors, the rise (and fall) of Bart-Mania in 1989-1990, and its ascent to its "Golden Age" in the mid 1990s before reaching the current "Long Plateau."

The author attributes this rise (and ensuing gentle decline) to the show's shift from typical cartoonishness into a tendency to "riff" on real-world events, reflecting society and culture in a way that audiences could relate to. "Entertain and subvert," said Groening on several occasions about the show's mission, unabashedly showing us cartoon versions of our real world's "corrupt authorities, clueless leaders and rapacious businessmen" that we could not only laugh at, but understand. "It's funny because it's true," goes the saying.

The next five chapters are, at least in name, focused on specific characters. Chapter 2, "Homer's Odyssey," and Chapter 3, "Bart Simpson, Punk Icon," are the most focused on their particular topics, with the others tending to sprawl a bit more, bringing in related minor characters and more tangents.

For example, Chapter 4, "Citizen Burns," touches not only on how Monty Burns represents corporate America (reflected through a parody of Citizen Kane), but also mentions Pimple-faced Kid, Sarcastic Middle-Aged Man, Lindsay Naegle, Jack Larson, Mayor Quimby and Chief Wiggum. Chapter 5, "Lisa Lionheart," discusses not only Lisa's many faces -- Genius, Little Kid, Activist -- but goes off on several tangents about Activism in general, Culture Jamming and Politics. Chapter 6, "Marge Knows Best," is perhaps the greatest misnomer in the book. While it does present Marge as the moral center of a show that repeatedly and blatantly denies the presence of a moral center, large sections cover the Flanders family (with special attention to Ned's "unbearable piousness"), battles with the Catholic Church and suicide-prevention groups, Abe Simpson and Homer's mom. The material is all related, but I felt Marge got a little shorted. And no mention of Maggie anywhere!

The last five chapters take a different spin, focusing not on specific characters and their relation to society, but on societal events and their relation to The Simpsons.

Chapter 7, "The Simpsons in Cyberspace," documents appearances of the Internet on The Simpsons (and vice versa) as the Internet rose from nothingness to ubiquity. It discusses "Freeze Frame Fun" (the quick jokes you can only catch if you tape and play back the show in slow-motion), alt.tv.simpsons and The Simpsons Archive (www.snpp.com), which the author cites as one of his major resources used in the writing of the book. This latter discussion includes mention of how an online critic of the show ultimately led to Comic Book Guy's infamous line in episode 4F12 "The Itchy and Scratchy and Poochie Show": "Worst. Episode. Ever." Life imitating art imitating life, as it were. Though this is interesting reading, it's also one of the more unfocused chapters, starting off talking about The Internet on The Simpsons and closing with a discussion about societal change and global warming. Slashdot readers will also be amused to see an incorrect citation of Moore's Law on page 304. But I digress.

Chapter 8, "The Ugly Springfieldianite," documents how The Simpson family's travels across America and around the world reflect U.S. actions in world affairs, the global reach of The Simpsons, and the way in which stereotypes are presented in the cartoon. Material such as trips to Australia, Canada and Africa are documented and analyzed, and "ethnic" characters such as Bumblebee Man, Apu and Groundskeeper Willie (including his infamous "Bonjourrrr, you cheese-eating surrender monkeys!") are covered in detail.

Chapter 9, "The Simpsons Go Hollywood," covers the various appearances of celebrities on the show and how for the most part such appearances satirize the very stars themselves. It documents in-person appearances by Tony Blair and Tony Bennett, as well as celebrity voice acting by Kathleen Turner as Stacy Lovell (creator of Malibu Stacy) Elizabeth Taylor as Maggie's first word ("Daddy"), and Johnny Cash as a Space Coyote spirit. It also covers, in some detail, repeat appearances by stars such as Jon Lovitz, Albert Brooks, and the late Phil Hartmann (Troy McClure and Lionel Hutz), as well as the notion of celebrity within The Simpsons itself (Krusty, McBain, etc.). As a whole, this is probably the most solid and focused chapter in the book.

On the other hand, Chapter 10, "The Simpsons Through the Looking Glass," is probably one of the weakest. Still interesting reading, it's a bit unfocused, as if that looking glass were a little bit clouded. It discusses the notion of the mediascape as a vast wasteland, irony, parody, self-reference, satire, hysteria and media saturation, with special attention on the shows inside the show (Krusty, Itchy and Scratchy, etc.) and anchorman Kent Brockman. Perhaps it's a bit too broad of a topic to try and cram into one chapter, especially since many of the same points are made in other sections of the book.

Planet Simpson

The book ends with Chapter 11, "Planet Simpson," in which the author attempts to bring together the disparate ideas presented throughout the book. He discusses the notion of "what is" vs. "what should be," the amusing case of Fox nearly suing itself over Episode ABF09, "Mr. Spritz Goes to Washington" (in which The Simpsons ran a fake news crawl on the bottom, satirizing Fox News), and brings his thesis to a head with this statement:

"Planet Simpson is a state of mind, a loose realm of shared consciousness. It is a place populated by folks who watch The Simpsons every week or even twice a day, who maintain Simpsons fan sites, who never lose at The Simpsons trivia board game, who used to watch it every chance they got, even if these days they don't watch it as much as they used to."

As a member of a generation raised on Saturday Morning cartoons, a person who grew up watching The Simpsons and who now regularly visits websites like Fark, Metafilter and Slashdot where Simpsons references run thick, I can't disagree with the author's notion of a globally-shared Simpsonian philosophy. It's clear that the show has affected our culture (or, at the very least, our Internet subculture), and that American culture has had an impact on the show in return.

Turner's book does a good job of looking at both sides of that coin and presenting his points in a way that is generally interesting and fun to read. Though there are times in the book where I found myself scratching my head, or wondering how he could have missed a favorite quote (Where, oh where, are the dogs who shoot bees from their mouths?), overall this is a solid piece of writing. Anyone who's enjoyed the show will find this enthralling reading, whether you're looking for a bit of Simpsons history, a deeper analysis of the show's impact in the present, or an idea of where the show might go in the future. The book is at times weaker, at others strong; at times unclear, at others startlingly focused; at times funny, and at other times quite serious. But then, that describes The Simpsons as well.

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176 comments

  1. Perfect Compliment.. by ParadoxicalPostulate · · Score: 0


    The perfect rating for this book would run like this:
    "It's so good, even Homer would read it!"

    1. Re:Perfect Compliment.. by mattspammail · · Score: 1

      I don't know many true Simpsons fans who aren't sharp as heck. Shoot some actually can read, but how many are going to sit down and actually read a book for *gasp* pleasure?

      That's why Jeebus invented TV.

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    2. Re:Perfect Compliment.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe if he didn't have crayon lodged in his brain...

    3. Re:Perfect Compliment.. by fgl · · Score: 1


      Its so good, Maggie would rave about it.
      Its so good, Apu would sell id.
      Its so good, Mr Burns wouldnt sue the author.
      Its so good, Barny wouldnt vomit on it.
      Its so good, Bart would skate it man.
      Its so good, Nelson wouldnt laugh at it.

      The list goes on ;-)

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  2. yes Virgina, there is a mirror by winkydink · · Score: 0

    It's right here

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    1. Re:yes Virgina, there is a mirror by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      Who is this Virgina you speak of? Is she some type of robot virgin? If so, where can I find her?

    2. Re:yes Virgina, there is a mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure if you're just joking or really want to know who Virginia is (or was), but I'm bored ... so here ya go.

    3. Re:yes Virgina, there is a mirror by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      Not sure if you're just joking or really want to know who Virginia is (or was), but I'm bored ... so here ya go..
      Note the spelling in the grandparent(my post) and the spelling in the great grandparent.....it was a joke....

  3. Nancy Cartwright, voice of Bart by Arctic+Dragon · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nancy Cartwright's book is also a must-read for any Simpsons fan.

    1. Re:Nancy Cartwright, voice of Bart by myheroBobHope · · Score: 1

      Maybe a little off topic for the slashdot crowd, but Simpsons and Philosophy: The D'Oh of Homer is a great read other than one chapter about the id and super id, which is absurdly boring. It seems to cover the same basis as the book reviewed, but in 12 seperate essays... (there are also similar books on LOTR, Seinfeld and the Matrix and many others) If you are at all interested in philosophy (anyone? anyone??) I suggest checking them out.

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  4. ObMangledQuote: by Hentai · · Score: 3, Funny

    Stop the Planet of the Simpsons, I want to get off!

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    1. Re:ObMangledQuote: by UWC · · Score: 1

      I love legitimate the-ater.

    2. Re:ObMangledQuote: by .com+b4+.storm · · Score: 1

      Krusty wants out!

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    3. Re:ObMangledQuote: by Rui+Lopes · · Score: 1

      Krusty wants out!

      oops... read it as "krusty wanks out!" haven't seen THAT ep.

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  5. One question... by game+kid · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The title of Planet Simpson: How a Cartoon Masterpiece Defined a Generation says it all."

    So we shouldn't read the rest of the long review then?

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  6. Defined a generation by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the Simpsons define this generation, then I say we drop the bomb now.... Wildly entertaining show, often making insightful observations, but I think the title of the book goes too far.

    But of course, you don't sell books with a title of "How 'The Simpsons' was a really fun show to watch"

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    1. Re:Defined a generation by SocietyoftheFist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How being the operative word... I have the first five seaons on DVD and oh man... the writing back then was so much better. The stories had so much more depth to them. I remember cooling off on it in the late 90s when they started to retread and the writing started going downhill.

    2. Re:Defined a generation by name_already_in_use · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You say that, but consider the current cartoons that could define the next generation that are airing today. Family Guy, hilarious as it is, is often very edgey and borderline acceptable. Infact it's interesting to me what is acceptable one day and not teh next. Family guy for example was canned, now it's back. 2 years ago you could not watch Ultimate Fighting (you the hardcore cage fighting) on television because it was banned. Then it was allowed on pay per view. And now this weekend, for the first time it is on regular (US) cable tv (http://www.spiketv.com./ What next?

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    3. Re:Defined a generation by October_30th · · Score: 1

      I've often wondered why the Family Guy rubs the public the wrong way. What's so borderline acceptable about it?

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    4. Re:Defined a generation by saskboy · · Score: 1

      On of my clearest memories as a child is making jokes on the front yard lawn at my Grandparents BBQ with my cousins, aunts and uncles, and we talked at least for an hour about nothing but Simpsons quotes.

      It has been more than a show, and even though it's maybe "Jumped the Shark" this season, that doesn't make it a less significant force in the 1990s.

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    5. Re:Defined a generation by telbij · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The 4th and 5th seasons seem to be a high point (I'll have to check on the 6th), but personally I think it's only the narrative quality that really went downhill hard. Things just got too outlandish. I don't think the jokes suffered all that much though. The current negative opinions of the Simpsons have more to do with nostalgia than true suckage. Yes the characters are all typecast, yes things have been rehashed, but on the whole the Simpsons is still in my top 3 shows.

    6. Re:Defined a generation by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The first season was a big of a dog, they didn't hit their groove until about season 3, when Conan O'Brian was their head writer.

      They could always bounce back. I've found the last couple of seasons somewhat hit-and-miss. I thought last weeks episode was pretty good (Homer with his diamond studded "Snitch Life" necklace - "What's the matter, you never seen bling bling before?")

      I wish Fox had have given Futurama the same chance, that show had a lot more potential, it seems easier to keep the Futurama world "fresh" than that of the Simpsons. It seems the pulled the plug too early, when the characters and themes were just starting to take shape.

      Just my opinion though.

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    7. Re:Defined a generation by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      Well, that little quip about FDR's legs really offended me...it's too soon!

    8. Re:Defined a generation by Reignking · · Score: 1

      Some people have a serious moral objection to personification. Dogs speaking? Blasphemy!

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    9. Re:Defined a generation by UWC · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Agreed. I've seen nothing edgy about it. Nothing that challenges any preconceptions or offends the sensibilities of anyone who's likely to watch it in the first place. What's edgy?

      "What's this? Some people think Jewish people are naturally adept at finance, but that's not necessarily true? Time to update my worldview!"

      "My goodness, there are stereotypes that some idiots apply to a particular ethnic group? And members of said group might be offended if an idiot attempts, however ignorantly, to perpetuate them? Why, this flies in the face of reason or decency! Time to phone in my indignance and outrage that such edgy, offensive content is being broadcast to my televisual viewing tube!"

      "My word! That there's someone out there who has the audacity to propose such tired material in the guise of progressive humor shakes the very foundations of my apparently flawed and dangerously antiquated social conceptions! Seth MacFarlane, you've forced me to change my life. I'll never look at handicapped people the same way again."

      "Ha! He referenced something I remember! Dude, this so rocks. It's daring art at the very boundaries of postmodern comedy."

    10. Re:Defined a generation by winkydink · · Score: 1

      I thought it would be SpongeBob or maybe Fairly Odd Parents (Wanda's hot).

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    11. Re:Defined a generation by SocietyoftheFist · · Score: 1

      I happen to have Season Three in front of me and look at this list of Episodes

      Stark Raving Dad - Homer's commited for wearing a pink shirt, big white guy that thinks he's the little black guy...

      Ms Lisa Goes to Washington - Lisa wins an essay contest and goes to nationals and finds out Sen Bob Arnolds little secret...

      When Flanders failed - Flanders opens a left handed shop and Homes wishbone wish for failure comes true

      Bart the Murderer - Bart is implicated for the murder of Principal Skinner buy his mobster boss

      Homer Defined - Homer stops a core meltdown by pure luck

      Like Father, Like Clown - Bart and Lisa work to reunite Krusty with his father

      That is just disc 1 and they are all damn good episodes.

      The rest without commentary

      Treehouse of Horror II
      Lisa's Pony
      Saturdays of Thunder
      Flaming Moes's
      Burns Verkaufen der Kraftwerk
      I married Marge
      Radio Bart
      Lisa the Greek
      Home Alone
      Bart the Lover
      Homer at Bat
      Seperate Vocations
      Dog of Death
      Colonel Homer
      Black Widower
      The Otto Show
      Bart's Friend Falls in Love
      Brother, Can You Spare Two Dimes?

      Note one bad show in the bunch and it was all one season.

    12. Re:Defined a generation by XO · · Score: 1

      The ads make it look as fake as wrasslin, though, from what I've seen.. with the fake blood smattered all over the images.. bleah.

      I don't know about it being "banned".. very little is "banned" from pay to play services.
      They just don't consider it sane to broadcast some things.

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    13. Re:Defined a generation by Wateshay · · Score: 1

      Yes, but those people die of a brain aneurism halfway through watching their first FG episode, so they're not a vocal part of the anti-FG lobby.

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    14. Re:Defined a generation by joeljkp · · Score: 1

      I would consider things somewhat 'edgy' that I wouldn't want to watch with a relative. I have no problem watching The Simpsons or Futurama at home with the 'rents around, but I turn off Family Guy and South Park. There were just one too many embarrassed feelings after faked orgasms or 'women really like sexual abuse' jokes.

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    15. Re:Defined a generation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I think it reflects more the desire of some to appear or feel non-conformist because The Simpsons is wildly popular and successful while Family Guy never reached the same level. I've seen people talk about Family Guy as "edgy" and "dark," but I've always seen it as a "FOX-ified" version of The Simpsons, if that makes sense (creating a show by taking a successful genre or model and lowering the bar, so to speak--hey, who says they can't do it to their own shows?). It has some clever and subtle one-line jokes thrown in amidst a bunch of juvenille humor (lots of fart and penis jokes). It is kind of like the person who gets a "Word of the Day" calendar and starts working $20 words into their normal $5-a-word sentences; the subtle jokes and cultural references stick out like a sore thumb among the fart jokes.

      I'm not saying it isn't funny, and I do enjoy watching it myself, but I certainly don't see it for anything more than it is.

    16. Re:Defined a generation by Exatron · · Score: 1

      For starters, it's a phenomenally bad series.

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    17. Re:Defined a generation by SquadBoy · · Score: 1

      CORN!!!!

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    18. Re:Defined a generation by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wish Fox had have given Futurama the same chance, that show had a lot more potential, it seems easier to keep the Futurama world "fresh" than that of the Simpsons. It seems the pulled the plug too early, when the characters and themes were just starting to take shape.

      No kidding. There was actually plot development in Futurama. Nothing ever really happens on The Simpsons, and at least a couple seasons ago, the formula was "Insert Homer doing something random, pointless, and mildly amusing here". Sadly, Fox execs were looking for the same-old formulaic crap in Futurama, and couldn't get a handle on it when Groening and Cohen didn't deliver what they wanted.

      To be honest, I think the title of the book should be reworked:

      "Planet Simpson: How a Cartoon Masterpiece Defined a Generation and Killed Another Cartoon Masterpiece by the Same Creator Before Its Time"

    19. Re:Defined a generation by G-funk · · Score: 1

      Futurama was great until they introduced those two little kids. They upset my little futurama world oo much. Man I hate those kids.

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    20. Re:Defined a generation by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but they didn't use them much. I just watched the entire series over the last couple weeks, something I do every few months and it's so painful how much better this show is than "The Simpsons" (which I still enjoy, but it has been hit and miss for the last 6 years or so).

      "Futurama" had real character development, deeper stories, and some great philosophy along with the breakneck speed, great sight gags, ass jokes and sharp satire that it shares with its predecessor.

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    21. Re:Defined a generation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would also like to point out that his name is Matt Groening... I have no idea why everyone pronounces it Graining. Groan ing GROAN ing!! this is not to imply I dont like the simpsons, I do. If he wants to change his name, he actually change the spelling. Back in the days of paste up... yknow T-squares, lightboxes, x-actos, and wax... I used to paste up that name 20 times a day. I guess Im still just bitter about the whole thing.

  7. Sounds like the the title should be by X43B · · Score: 2, Funny

    Best.SimpsonsBook.Ever.

  8. Where might I find these? by SavoWood · · Score: 4, Funny
    As a member of a generation raised on Saturday Morning cartoons, a person who grew up watching The Simpsons and who now regularly visits websites like Fark, Metafilter and Slashdot where Simpsons references run thick...

    I for one would like to welcome our new cartoon overlords so they might tell me where I could find one of these Simpsons references on Slashdot.

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    1. Re:Where might I find these? by DigitalDragon · · Score: 1

      This is quite easy. For example, famous Homer's expression "Mmm.. beer.." was referenced just yesterday.. Someone was talking about PIE charts, so some slashdotter immediately replied "Mmm... pie... "

      Here you go :)

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    2. Re:Where might I find these? by DigitalDragon · · Score: 1

      Another famous expression is "Jump the shark" - which is usually used when someone is saying that this particular TV series is starting to fade away.

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    3. Re:Where might I find these? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha-ha

    4. Re:Where might I find these? by joe_bruin · · Score: 1

      Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

    5. Re:Where might I find these? by nuknuk · · Score: 2, Informative

      Jump the Shark is from fonzie jumping the shark in Happy Days. This was the turning point in Happy Days, in which every episode afterwards got worse and worse, until the show was over. Therefore, when a show "jumps the shark" they are on their way out. It's not related to the simpsons, other than the fact that many consider the Simpsons to be the only show never to "Jump the Shark"

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    6. Re:Where might I find these? by rjung2k · · Score: 4, Funny

      Worst. Comment. Ever.

    7. Re:Where might I find these? by elgatozorbas · · Score: 1

      Easy enough, '42' for example. Or this thing about 'the Force'... or the One or something. Or was it... whatever... getting mixed up here. Now for something completely different. d'OH.

    8. Re:Where might I find these? by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

      *tumbleweed rolls by*

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      "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." -- Hanlon's Razor
    9. Re:Where might I find these? by dangitman · · Score: 1
      In Soviet Russia, Simpsons quote YOU!!!!!!

      (OMG, I am so sorry. Now I'm going to burn in hell for posting that.)

      --
      ... and then they built the supercollider.
  9. Re:YES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't anything can make his karma much worse than it already is...

  10. Just in time... by sinfree · · Score: 0

    ...for the Russians to approve The Simpson's for kids, saying that it wasn't "morally degenerate".

    1. Re:Just in time... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      ...for the Russians to approve The Simpson's for kids, saying that it wasn't "morally degenerate".

      No, it was creatively degenerate. (Going down...)

  11. finally, a story by Savatte · · Score: 4, Insightful

    where simpsons quotes can be funny, informative, insightful, and interesting.

    Personally, I like the line "and so as the rat's milk is returned to the sewer, the circle of life is complete." Which if you think about it, is really a metaphor for the overall trajectory of the series and ourselves. The show began weakly (though not in ratings), grew strongly and quickly, plateaued, and is now in decline, until it dies, merely hinting at it once was.

    1. Re:finally, a story by MooseByte · · Score: 1

      Might be slumping, but what a legacy. Can't think of a single show where the writing stayed so good for such a long stretch.

      "Here's to alcohol, the cause of, and solution to, all life's problems." -Homer Simpson

    2. Re:finally, a story by centipetalforce · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agreed. I'm sure some young fanboy mods may mod us down for saying this but the fact is the show just isnt funny anymore, but that's the truth: it isnt. The good writers are gone. What's worse, it's been like this for enough years now, and with many local fox stations not even showing classic episodes anymore, I could see many young viewers as seeing the show as overrated. A shame, really, because it used to be so brilliantly funny. I would rather see my favorite show die than see it in go on like this.

    3. Re:finally, a story by schtum · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here's an appropriate quote. When the Cosby Show ended, the Simpsons (which ran in the same time slot) paid a little tribute at the end of the show. I haven't seen this since it originally aired so, rather than trust my memory, I googled "simpsons cosby finale" and found this:

      Bart: Hey, Dad, how come they're taking The Cosby Show off the air?
      Homer: Because Mr. Cosby wanted to stop before the quality suffered.
      Bart: Quality, schmality! If I had a TV show, I'd run that sucker into the ground!
      Homer: [patting Bart on the back] Amen, boy. Amen.

      That was in 1992. I can never criticize the Simpsons for sticking around too long, because that's exactly what they said they'd do. Still, who would have imagined they'd make it past 15 years?!

    4. Re:finally, a story by edbulldog · · Score: 1

      I prefer a metaphor of slasdot, fox news and every political speech out there: "The problem is communication. Too much communication." - Homer Simpson Makes you wonder... :P

    5. Re:finally, a story by utexaspunk · · Score: 1

      I would rather see my favorite show die than see it in go on like this.

      somebody quick! call up tom delay and get congress to stop them from pulling the plug on the show!

  12. Did they define a generation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or was it nothing more than an incisive observation of said generation, humorously phrased and delivered with impeccable timing.

  13. Longest book review, ever. by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 0, Redundant

    'nuff said.

    --
    If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
    1. Re:Longest book review, ever. by Aeonite · · Score: 1

      Completely untrue and unfair.

      I've written several book reviews for Slashdot that are quite a bit longer.

  14. There's no asterisk by your name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I pay for my and my friends' subscriber status like any honest /. reader....

    ...who has several accounts for karma promotion reasons. Very honest.

  15. I think Homer said it best .... by itsnotthenetwork · · Score: 1

    DOH!

  16. Generation S[impsons] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I, for one, welcome our Simpsons-cliched generation of overlords.

  17. Book o' Quotes by The+Amazing+Fish+Boy · · Score: 1

    Though there are times in the book where I found myself scratching my head, or wondering how he could have missed a favorite quote (Where, oh where, are the dogs who shoot bees from their mouths?)

    I get the impression there are quite a few quotes in there. I don't know. I don't really want to buy a book that has a lot of Simpsons quotes, unless they relate to the topic at hand. I'd be glad he didn't include my favourite quote -- if I wanted that, I could watch the episode. I don't really like people retelling Simpsons/Family Guy/Chapelle Show quotes ad nauseum.

  18. Re:Freeloaders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That doesn't make you an honest reader; it makes you a sucker.

  19. He gave it a 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Shouldn't that be 7 Thumbs Up. (His lowest rating)

  20. The first 15 seasons? by SageMadHatter · · Score: 0, Troll

    You mean to suggest that there is more than 15?

    1. Re:The first 15 seasons? by einstienbc · · Score: 1

      yeah, at least there will be...

      --
      If you die horribly on television, you will not have died in vain. You will have entertained us.

      --Kurt Vonnegut

    2. Re:The first 15 seasons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:The first 15 seasons? by Exatron · · Score: 1

      Who's suggesting? Season 16 is airing right now, and season 17 is in the works.

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      "I think so, Brain, but 'instant karma' always gets so lumpy." - Pinky
      "Decepticons FOREVER!!!" - Ravage
  21. Re:Cheaper from Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ah, the noble referer troll, who has kindly stuck in referers from "anydistancecom" into the URLs.

    And the reason Slashdot doesn't link to Amazon.com is over the one-click patent thing. Silly, maybe, but at least they're sticking up for a principle.

  22. Re:Cheaper from Amazon by 93,000 · · Score: 1

    If you really want to establish your geek creds . . .

    I feel dirty just having read that sentence.

    Even dirtier that it makes sense to me and I agree with it.

  23. sigh by SethAdarion · · Score: 0

    too bad simpsons totally sucks now. Watching it nowadays makes it hard to believe it was ever good.

    1. Re:sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      And yet ...

      "That movie was awful! I've seen it three times now and it gets worse every time!"

      Either you like the show, you like watching things that "totally suck," or you are a Homer sitting on your fat ass glued to whatever the TV throws at you.

  24. Re:Freeloaders by BooRolla · · Score: 3, Funny
    I pay for my and my friends' subscriber status

    Now I know you are lying with that "Friends" gimmick. (The imaginary girl you watch pr0n with in your parents' basement doesn't count.)

  25. Re:PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're right, maybe monorail jokes are more a Shelbyville idea...

  26. For the love of humanity, please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ... end this trainwreck of a series now. The small clips of the Simpson characters just before commercial breaks on the Tracy Ulman show were funny back in the late 80s, yes. And when the Simpsons became its own show, sure it was funny for the first few seasons. But the humor of the series died over a decade ago. Please let it end. It's almost like Saturday Night Live. They just didn't know when to give up when they were ahead (and funny.)

    Mod me troll if you wish, but it had to be said, even if my comment is a decade late.

  27. Southpark by Polybius · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Southpark owns the Simpsons any day.

    1. Re:Southpark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Early Simpsons > Futurama > Southpark > Family Guy > Late Simpsons

    2. Re:Southpark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Early Simpsons > Futurama > Southpark > Family Guy > Late Simpsons

      I read that and thought, "Exactly!"
      Then I noticed which way round you had the > symbols...

    3. Re:Southpark by ElyseMyers · · Score: 1

      I'm going to have to agree. While the Simpsons is classic TV, I got bored of it like seven years ago. The looming question is -- when the hell are they ever going to take it off of TV?? NEEEVER...

  28. Re:YES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When we were back in the ol'numbers karma, i had like -20 ish. (courtesy of lots of down mods and a bitchslap)

    i'm deemed forever to post, twice a day, at -1. I loves it!

    Corniche

    I cant get no worse!

  29. Scene: This guy's house.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ..after the lawsuit from Fox arrives:

    (doorbell rings, door is answered)

    (Nelson) "Ha ha!"

    (Nelson jumps on a Greyhound bus marked "Springfield" parked outside the residence, which screeches away while the author is at the door scratching their head)

  30. obscure humor by ch-chuck · · Score: 2, Funny

    they certainly got some gags in - one that outwitted the censors was a sign that read "Sneeds Feed and Seed (formerly Chucks)".

    I can remember browsing the humor books in the mall bookstores in 1987 and finding the "* is Hell" series and thinking it was pretty wild.

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    1. Re:obscure humor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess it must have been pretty obscure, because I have no idea what makes that line offensive enough to have to be "snuck" by the censors. Maybe I'm missing something.

    2. Re:obscure humor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      sneeds feed and seed = chuck's fuck and suck
      e

    3. Re:obscure humor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even worse (and I'll probably get modded to all heck by slashdot moderators, so I'm posting AC)...

      Consider that it's not just the rhyme that works... "seed and feed" used as verbs are slang for doing the Chuck's stuff if you're verbs reference what you're doing with ejaculate matter. :(

  31. Futurama by October_30th · · Score: 1

    Then, of course, you have Futurama that owns both Southpark and Simpsons.

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    The owls are not what they seem
  32. Mmmmm...Unauthorized Biography...(drool) by frogblender · · Score: 1

    You mean it's not just a cartoon version of "The Osborne's"?...

  33. Re:Cheaper from Amazon by Jack+Pirate · · Score: 1

    Don't think I didn't notice the ref=ase_anydistancecom in that little link of yours. For shame.

  34. A problem by thesupermikey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I found one of the biggest problems i had while reading to book was how the writer refered to episdoes by thier production number. This made it hard to tell what season it was from. Often times when talking about an empisode for more than a parigraph or two it became hard to keep track of what he was talking about

    --
    Mikey
    I've always been the kinda guy to fall for the girl dressed like an eskimo.
    1. Re:A problem by blackmonday · · Score: 1

      "..talking about an empisode for more than a parigraph or two it became hard to keep track of what he was talking about"

      Don't worry, you're even harder to understand.

  35. Satire Sans Agenda by Wateshay · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've always thought one of the best things about The Simpsons' satire has been its decided lack of an agenda. So often, satire seems aimed at making you agree to one particular viewpoint or another (or at least aimed at only being funny to those who already believe said viewpoint). Simpsons has never done that. They effectively satirize the weaknesses of all manner of views and beliefs. They're an impartial commentator. Nothing is sacred. For any cutting satirical jab made at a part of the American cultural landscape, I can point to another made at the opposing viewpoint. They aren't conservative or liberal, religious or atheist, great tasting or less filling. That in and of itself is a great achievement.

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    "If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for everyone else."

    1. Re:Satire Sans Agenda by October_30th · · Score: 0
      Nothing is sacred

      Mod the parent up. I think you've managed to summarize the appeal of The Simpsons (and also Futurama) right there.

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      The owls are not what they seem
    2. Re:Satire Sans Agenda by The+Amazing+Fish+Boy · · Score: 1
      Nothing is sacred

      Mod the parent up. I think you've managed to summarize the appeal of The Simpsons (and also Futurama) right there.

      Mod this parent up, too. I think you've managed to summarize the appeal of the grandparent post (and others like it) right there.
    3. Re:Satire Sans Agenda by gatekeep · · Score: 4, Funny

      Mod the parent up. I think you've managed to summarize the appeal of The Simpsons (and also Futurama) right there.

      Mod this parent up, too. I think you've managed to summarize the appeal of the grandparent post (and others like it) right there.


      Mod this parent up, too. I think you've managed to summarize the appeal of recursive mod point begging right there.

    4. Re:Satire Sans Agenda by Wateshay · · Score: 4, Funny

      If I weren't, in fact, the great-great-grandparent poster, I'd mod you up for managing to summarize the complete pointlessness of this thread...right there.

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      "If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for everyone else."

    5. Re:Satire Sans Agenda by gatekeep · · Score: 1

      Haha! Now you've got me laughing so hard I'm crying. I can't believe I got a +5 for that post.

    6. Re:Satire Sans Agenda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      really no agenda?

      Why doesn't the show make fun of Scientology?

    7. Re:Satire Sans Agenda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poor degenerate Wateshay here is his own great-great-grandparent!

      (Yeah, so it's a Futurama reference; sue me.)

    8. Re:Satire Sans Agenda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who dosen't?

    9. Re:Satire Sans Agenda by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

      It kind of did in "The Joy of Sect." I mean, not directly, (the Movementarianism movement was more of a hodge podge of whatever cults seemed funny) but c'mon.

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      "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." -- Hanlon's Razor
  36. The Truth! by Robotron23 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I heard that The Simpsons has only declined in quality in recent years as a satire on bad television and lack of ideas from TV writers as a whole...

    1. Re:The Truth! by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      -Woah ho ho!! A talking dog!? What were you guys smoking when you thought of that?

      -We were eating rotissere chicken.

      or

      -Something like Poochie, but more pro-active.

      -Poochie OK with everyone?

      -yep, yep

      There's a Simpsons quote for EVERY situation.

      --
      I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
    2. Re:The Truth! by UWC · · Score: 2, Interesting
      That's pretty funny, actually. Nice work :)

      It also reminded me that there have been recent trends in episodes of subtle and not-so-subtle jabs at the most common Internet criticisms of the show. The best one seems to be that many have latched on to claiming that recent seasons have featured what detractors refer to as "Jerkass Homer," with less family focus and the like. A couple of episodes recently have explicity used the phrase "Jerkass Homer" or a very close variation.

      Also, the last couple of seasons of the show have been getting better, and even the bad episodes have some really funny parts in them, to the point where I'll sit through one that, while probaby overall not that great, has some amazing jokes within.

  37. How can an 11 chapter book be missing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...a chapter on Maggie - the character with all the best bits. I suspect this Mr. Turner has never actually seen the show.

  38. Wish they'd end it already by vadim_t · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Reminds me why I like anime. Lots of it (not all though) is a really long story. Take Fullmetal Alchemist for instance, great series, and ends in 51 episodes, unlike some others that drag and drag until they become a bleak shadow of what they were before.

    The long stories with no continuity, even when they are good tend to turn to crap sooner or later. In anime that'd be Ranma, Inuyasha, Dragon Ball Z (eew). The Simpsons seem to be dying a slower death, but I already don't bother watching it and read slashdot instead.

    1. Re:Wish they'd end it already by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      It's apples and oranges. The Simpsons is just a comedy, there needn't be no continuity, there is no plot carried over from episode to episode. So long as there are things to lampoon, the show can stay fresh.

      It's really all about the quality of the writing staff. Not just any bozo with a powerbook can write good comedy. People seem to think the best episodes were all in seasons 3-5, then it got worse. It's not that the show ran too long, it's that Conan O'Brian left.

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      I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
    2. Re:Wish they'd end it already by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      Well, Ranma was mostly like that too, many episodes were quite independent, and some were even moved around a bit without problems. The problem was that you could at some point start guessing very well how would things go.

      I'd say the problem is just that it's hard to come up with new stuff in the same setting when there lots of things that were done already. At this point, I find most episodes rather unsurprising. Bart behaves as Bart and Homer as Homer, and seeing Homer strangle Bart for the 128th time just loses its interest.

    3. Re:Wish they'd end it already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So basically what you've been saying is "I don't like it, so they should cancel it so no one can watch it." The Simpsons at least have more origionality than South Park, that show is only known for "OMG, they killed Kenny" I think it sucks, but yet I don't go around saying that it should be canceled. I don't give a care if they cancel it or don't cancel it.

    4. Re:Wish they'd end it already by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      This is my opinion, nothing else, and I don't see anything very wrong with stating it. It is simply my opinion that some things should be ended while they're still good, instead of trying to milk them until they become a shadow of their former self.

      Now, I'm not saying they should cancel it right now, just that I wish for a proper end instead of a long and painful descent into mediocrity.

    5. Re:Wish they'd end it already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either that or it could roll over to Homer strangling bart to the -128th time.

    6. Re:Wish they'd end it already by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

      Actually, the writers got bored of killing off Kenny a while ago, and then killed him off for good, and then got bored of that and brought him back to life but they only kill him now on special occasions.

      --
      "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." -- Hanlon's Razor
  39. The Simpsons is an invaluable guide... by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 4, Funny
    ...to American culture for immigrants. For example one of the first tasks you have to carry out is getting a driver license. This explained it all:
    [On working at the DMV.]
    Patty: Somedays we don't let the line move at all.
    Selma: Yeah, we call those WEEKdays.
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    Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
  40. Good Review. by gatekeep · · Score: 3, Funny

    This sounds like a perfectly cromulant book.

    1. Re:Good Review. by Wateshay · · Score: 1

      Only the Simpsons could introduce a word into the English language as a result of a joke about words not in the English language.

      --

      "If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for everyone else."

    2. Re:Good Review. by at_slashdot · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's not even a word...

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      "It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities." -- Prof. Dumbledore
    3. Re:Good Review. by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

      Sounds a little negative to me. I'll have to give it my lowest rating ever: seven thumbs up.

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      "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." -- Hanlon's Razor
    4. Re:Good Review. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you have embiggened this forum with your post!

  41. HOW DOES IT FEEL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Your generation is defined by a vary bad television cartoon.

    How does it feel?

    1. Re:HOW DOES IT FEEL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It varies.

    2. Re:HOW DOES IT FEEL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh.

  42. Planet Simpson is the second book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    ...published by Lenscrafters.

    1. Re:Planet Simpson is the second book... by GutBomb · · Score: 1

      i thought it was published by kinkos

  43. Re:YES! by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 2, Funny

    What the fuck is this daypass shit anyway? Where I live a daypass allows a psychotic out of the asylum to look for a job.

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    Support the First Amendment. Read at -1
  44. Quotes by Otto · · Score: 1

    I don't really like people retelling Simpsons/Family Guy/Chapelle Show quotes ad nauseum.

    Chappelle Show quotes do indeed grow old quickly, but with something like the Simpsons, where the list of quotes is so large that you can literally hold entire conversations using nothing but memorable quotes, it's not quite as bad as all that. There's pretty much a Simpsons quote for every occasion, which reduces the "grow old" factor as none of them get overused.

    Assuming your quoter is a true fan, of course, and can dreg 'em up from the entire 15 seasons. :)

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    - Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
  45. Yeah, good study. by benow · · Score: 1

    More of a textbook than a light summary. Full of details, very well researched, insightful, perhaps, tho at some times over the top with adulation and, I'm sure, the author reads more into the epis than were intended. That being said, it's a perfect book for any dedicated Simpsonite. Had me laughing in recalling the funniest moments and moments I'd missed. Sure, the series may be getting old, but they've done so much. I'd like to see SouthPark (much as I like it) come up with biting originality after 350ish epis... The Simpson's Already Did It, but don't stop trying ;)

    1. Re:Yeah, good study. by DeVryGuy23 · · Score: 1

      South Parks main advantage is how fast they manage to get episodes out. Whenever there is a big news story or relevant social issue they wish to make a point about (no matter how lude they are about making said point) they have a cartoon about it ready to go that week. And thats what makes south park great. They do have "filler" episodes, but they also always have a point they are trying to convey with it all.

  46. Overrated by spyrochaete · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm a huge Simpsons fan who will challenge any other Simpsons nerd in a quote showdown any day of the week. However, I found this book to be a real snore. It picks the show apart like vultures on a carcass until nothing but the bones remain, gleaming in the sun. This book is too detailed for all but fanatics, and 99% too obvious for the die-hards. I never thought anything could make Simpsons boring, but this book is it. It reads like a pompous Masters thesis and is drier than the Sahara.

    1. Re:Overrated by sys$manager · · Score: 1

      I totally agree. It is a pretentious op-ed piece and nothing more. I was hoping it would be good and it started out okay but it got repetitive and boring within the first few chapters.

  47. Re:YES! by SmokeHalo · · Score: 1

    Okay, Slashdot, psychotics and asylums, what's not to understand?

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    I'm not good in groups. It's difficult to work in a group when you're omnipotent. - Q
  48. Re:YES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Where I live...


    I think it is time for your pills Chess. Just try to calm down. OK? Don't make me call the orderlies again. You'll lose your next turn for a daypass if you don't play nice

  49. Merchandising by SunFan · · Score: 1

    The Simpsons is a great show, but please cut back on the merchandising! It seems 10% of the shelves in any toy section of a store are Simpsons-branded games and toys. It tends to dilute any remaining value of the show.

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    -- Microsoft is the most expensive commodity operating system and office suite vendor in the marketplace.
    1. Re:Merchandising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTF Review, buddy. It's not an official book. It's not merchandizing. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

      And quit spending so much time in toy stores.

  50. Simpsons did it by mcmonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The book bills itself as "the first trade book to take a look at The Simpsons as a microcosm of the Western culture that it has both influenced and reflected."

    Kinda sounds like The Simpsons And Society: An Analysis Of Our Favorite Family And Its Influence In Contemporary Society

    The book reads, at times, like a collection of essays rather than a continuous narrative.

    Just like The Simpsons and Philosophy: The D'oh! of Homer

    Seriously, I [heart] the Simpsons, but I'd like to [club] pseudo-intellectual wanna-bes who think they can pose as avant-guard by doing a serious analysis of something as frivolous as a cartoon. Guess what? It's been done! They aren't breaking new ground; they don't challenge our ideas about culture.

    Baseball players on steroids isn't news. (Seriously, did you think Mark Mcguire's neck looked like a roast beef naturally?) Avril Lavigne isn't punk. And leeching off of Matt Groening's genius and writing a book on the Simpsons isn't interesting or insightful.

    1. Re:Simpsons did it by captwheeler · · Score: 2, Funny
      And leeching off of Matt Groening's genius and writing a book on the Simpsons isn't interesting or insightful.

      You seem unhappy; maybe you should read The Gospel According to The Simpsons: The Spiritual Life of the World's Most Animated Family to find peace.






      (just joking)

      --

      Thanks for putting on the feedbag. Thanks for going all out. Thanks for showing me your Swiss Army knife.

    2. Re:Simpsons did it by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

      That actually got me laughing out loud. I'd mod you up, but I already posted to this thread =)

      And just a P.S., I'm not against serious examination of elements of popular culture. I'm against using pop culture as a short cut past doing good work.

      I've read a couple of these books, and they just were not well written. And from reading the reviews on Amazon, I have no desire to read futher in this area.

      Maybe in the English dept. of the local community college analyzing the Simpsons over rehashing the latest wisdom on Shakespeare or O'Neill is ground breaking, but out here in the real world, you have to actually do the work and write a good book.

  51. If Planet Simpson is so smart... by saskboy · · Score: 1

    How come it's dead? /Homer

    I hope they have Professor Frink working on a /. fix for their server.

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    Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
  52. Tumbleweeds and other sight gags by hubie · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't know how old the author is, but for those of us who grew up in the 70's and 80's on Warner Brothers (and other) reruns, sight gags such as the tumbleweed blowing by to highlight the lack of life, or crickets chirping to highlight the lack of applause, is pretty common and many decades old. In fact, it is "old school," if this old fart may borrow from the 90's vernacular.

    1. Re:Tumbleweeds and other sight gags by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      This is a test, only a test.

      Say something! Explain yourself! Your tongue's flappin' but no noise is coming outta your big mouth!

      If you grew up with Foghorn, you're probably laughing now and searching the net for the sound files of his classics. Someone, somewhere must have done a sociological study on this character. He's brilliant!

    2. Re:Tumbleweeds and other sight gags by dangitman · · Score: 1
      I don't know how old the author is, but for those of us who grew up in the 70's and 80's on Warner Brothers (and other) reruns, sight gags such as the tumbleweed blowing by to highlight the lack of life, or crickets chirping to highlight the lack of applause, is pretty common and many decades old. In fact, it is "old school," if this old fart may borrow from the 90's vernacular.

      Well yes, but I grew up in the 80s, and the difference is that the Simpsons is a sight-gag on the sight-gags.

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      ... and then they built the supercollider.
    3. Re:Tumbleweeds and other sight gags by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 1

      Boy, I say, boy! I totally agree, he was always one of my favourite characters from the WB cartoons. I like to think that the hyperchicken lawyer in Futurama is partly an homage to Foghorn Leghorn

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      The real Captain Avatar is a fictional character, so I suppose he doesn't mind if I impersonate him.
  53. Great cartoon, but the book is a dreadful read by heffrey · · Score: 1

    I've got the book. All I can say is don't bother with it and stick to the cartoons.

  54. Re:RTFA????? Are you kidding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mini-goatse!!!!!!11

  55. South Park? by Sheepdot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What? South Park doesn't define a generation?

    What about the "South Park Republican"?

    As the show's co-creator, 32-year-old Matt Stone, sums it up: 'I hate conservatives, but I really f--ing hate liberals.'"

    As a voting libertarian, I looked at the entire Terry Schiavo incident exactly as the SP creators did, seeing hypocrisy in the way conservatives viewed "playing God". I think if anything, South Park alone might contribute to destruction of the Republican Party as one of only morals, and might even get it back into shape as representing the small-government advocates it once did.

    Or one can hope, anyway.

  56. planet.simpson? by megabyte405 · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who, upon seeing the headline in their browser (or RSS reader in my case), immediately thought that someone came out with a public RSS aggregation ("Planet") regarding one of the following public icons: Jessica Simpson, OJ Simpson, The Simpsons?

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    I recognize people by their sigs. Is that a bad thing?
  57. Too Fanboyish by Fisban78 · · Score: 1

    I found the book to be too fanboyish. It never discusses any of the flaws or weaknesses of the show. I love the simpson (hence buying the book) but I'd like the book to be a bit more critical.

  58. Re:Freeloaders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She's not imaginary, she's just in Canada.

  59. Amazing Read by neo_mushroom · · Score: 1

    I've had the book since Christmas, and every time I pick it up, my family thinks I'm going insane, chuckleing incessantly, and the like.

    A must for any "fan", simply because it's fun to read, not as a way to bone up on facts (although you'll get that too!)

  60. Infinite Loop Syndrome by jonnystiph · · Score: 1

    So is it just me, or did the review seem to follow some of the same nuances it pointed out in the book. Seemed the writer picked up some of the authors habits. In essence the review, could be applied (in some respects) to the review itself. Creepy.

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    If we don't make light of everything, we are just stumbling in the dark - Blank

  61. My 3 favorite Simpsons quotes. by KipCas · · Score: 1

    Im sure there are better ones, but these are the ones that stand out for me...

    #1. Ralph (To Lisa ): Uh... so... do you like... stuff?

    #2. Apu: Please do not offer my god a peanut.

    #3. Bart: It's valuable, huh?!
    Comic Book Guy: Ooh, your powers of deduction are exceptional. I can't allow you to waste them here when there are so many crimes going unsolved at this very moment. Go, go, for the good of the city.

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    Turk: Let's play Steak. J.D.: What? Turk: Steak. The 1st person to finish their steak is the winner of Steak. -Scrubs
  62. Alfie's? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So someone actually used to go to Alfie's?

    (To non Queen's folk: nowadays, Alfie's Pub is always empty, and it's a sore spot with the student body that the university keeps pumping subsidies into an obviously pointless cause.)

  63. Re:amazon = evil by shmlco · · Score: 2, Informative
    To quote Amazon...

    Because Amazon.com's servers transmitted the image containing a paybox and your name within the paybox directly to your browser software, the site owner never saw the paybox or your name and never received any information about you

    So Amazon gives the site a piece of code that they put on their page. When your browser displays it your Amazon cookie is sent to Amazon, who knows your name and inserts it into the text as an attention getter.

    So, to repeat this, they did NOT give the site your name or other personal information. It was not resold. Which means you're jumping around like an idiot for no reason.

    If you're going to rant about something, it sometimes helps to know WTF you're talking about.

    Not always. But sometimes.

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    Any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.
  64. awe... reading... by torrents · · Score: 1

    but wait... it's about the simpsons so it doesn't really count right?... right.



    me

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    Get your torrents...
  65. South Park alone might contribute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish. Small government conservatives will have to stop voting Republican. I bad as it's gotten on the right they aren't swinging Libertarian. As long as they are willing to accept a Republican as a lesser of conservative evils, the religious right will remain in full charge. They are fervent, they are energized, and they show up at the voting booths. I don't see the Republicans going small government. It's all about appealing to the religious base. Hell, look at Hillary. She clearly wants the White House with all the new talk of praying and her votes for the Shaivo meddling. She knows which side the electoral bread in buttered on. I see things needing to get MUCH worse before republicans swing libertarian. You'll see the Dems swing all new school federalist before the Republicans deal away a winning hand.

  66. Now that it's being considered important by u-238 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    maybe the recent barage of anti-Christian jokes, which are very in vogue in the current climate, should be taken with more than a grain of salt?

    I can't count on my hands and feet how many time's I've heard Catholic=pedophile jokes, yet the second there's something about the Quran or the slightest "anti semetic" utterence it becomes a national news sensation.

    1. Re:Now that it's being considered important by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Ummmm, what the fuck are you talking about, and what does it have to do with The Simpsons?

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      ... and then they built the supercollider.
    2. Re:Now that it's being considered important by u-238 · · Score: 1

      Have you not seen any episodes out of season 16?

    3. Re:Now that it's being considered important by dangitman · · Score: 1
      Have you not seen any episodes out of season 16?

      Well, yeah. But I still don't see what your problem is. Why don't you actually say what you mean, instead of vaguely alluding to it?

      The Simpsons makes fun of all religions (ref: Apu), and also celebrates all religions. It's just that Christianity is the dominant religion in the US, so of course it's going to be mentioned more in a show that's about US culture.

      And I don't understand why you think there's an outcry whenever anyone criticises Islam. In fact, it's the other way around. There are countless news articles and opinion columns out there - with outright bash the Muslim Faith, but you don't see much outcry.

      But whenever someone criticises Christianity, even in small ways, there is much outrage from Christians and politicians. Many of them are even trying to get laws passed banning any criticism of religion.

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      ... and then they built the supercollider.
  67. Other Best. Shows. Ever by opencity · · Score: 1
    I'll make the argument that the Simpson's is (was) the last great television show. Technologies as mass communcation mediums peak and then just sit there. The 'record business', no matter what quality arguments you want to get into, peaked as a sociological force during the 60s. People still make compilations of music (disks, iTunes playlists, mastermixes, hell, there's a place in NJ that'll do a flexidisk) but nobody really cares that much anymore. Probably as it should be. Same could be said for the novel, the radio show and the movie.

    Best.TV.Show.Ever:
    See It Now. Edward Murrow changed the face of America in his encounter with the McCarthy hearings.

    Nixon / Kennedy debate doesn't count as it wasn't a show.

    I personally would give the Carson Tonight Show the nod. For years, a real bellweather of the nation.

    Which, IMHO, makes The Simpsons Third.Best.TV.Show.Ever. By mixing classic cartoon humor with low and highbrow satire, The Simpson's summed up the content value of television, putting a capper to an age of sitcoms, cop shows and game shows - all designed to play between the commercials.

    And now no one will care about TV (glad that's over). It's all websites from here on out.

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    Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it.
  68. Our overlords by yodha · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I hope that that all slashdotters do realize that their hackneyed welcome our new overlords originated from The Simpsons.
    From Slashdot subculture:
    Welcoming Our New Overlords
    The sycophant type of troll is based on a quote from the newscaster character Kent Brockman of The Simpsons. In one episode of the show (episode number 96, Deep Space Homer), Brockman watches a video broadcast from a space capsule, within which a number of ants have accidentally been released. The ants appear huge because they float directly in front of the broadcast camera and close to the lens. He mistakenly assumes that alien insects are invading Earth and attempts to ingratiate himself to them by broadcasting propaganda: "I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords."
  69. Re:Freeloaders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that any better, eh?

  70. Maybe its just hype by captwheeler · · Score: 1

    I agreed with what you posted, but remember The Greatest Generation by TOM BROKAW and all its hype? It doesn't seem anymore correct to use war, instead of pop-culture, as a hook. They are both just hype, and the substance has to carry the book... maybe this is a "don't judge a book by it's cover" thing: don't judge a book by its hype or hook. Or maybe its: judge a book by whether it has a hook and hype? The more I think about it, the less it seems like pop-culture matters: people treat serious subjects just as badly.

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    Thanks for putting on the feedbag. Thanks for going all out. Thanks for showing me your Swiss Army knife.

  71. Don't believe the hype! by mcmonkey · · Score: 1
    I agreed with what you posted, but remember The Greatest Generation by TOM BROKAW and all its hype? It doesn't seem anymore correct to use war, instead of pop-culture, as a hook.

    Argh! Straying off topic for a moment, I'd like to corner Brokaw and needle him about his so-called 'Greatest Generation.'

    Certainly he looks at a period of time with many great individuals and great accomplishments, but we shouldn't forget, after these brave men and women fought for freedom in Europe, Asia, and Africa, they came home and murdered people for trying to vote. They murdered people because a man with dark skin looked the wrong way at a woman with light skin. They murdered because little black children wanted to go to decent schools with little white children. And we're not talking about isolated incidents or a 'few bad apples,' police, politicians, in some cases whole towns were accomplices to cold-blooded murder. In some instances whole communities were wiped out.

    Looking abroad, the mess we're involved with in Iraq? Doesn't that go back to national boundaries arbitrarily draw by western back-room politicians of the Greatest Generation? The Islamic Revolution in Iran and the hostage crisis of '79/'80? Gee, that was a direct result of our Greatest Generation supporting the Shah. Trouble with the Palestinians? I support the state of Israel, but at best you could say that was the result of a so-so generation. There must have been some way to establish a jewish state without putting the arab world into a murderous rage for the next 50+ years.

    But they did give us the TV dinner. Greatest Generation indeed.

  72. Long Live The Simpsons by xshariq · · Score: 1

    Well, I hate to say this but I think The Simpsons
    are coming to an end. First the last two seasons
    kind of sucked and now people are writing books about the simpsons...oh why now!! :-P