if you do a "clean" install off of the DVD w/out formatting the drive, it just moves your old windows, documents and settings, and program files directories to windows.old and installs clean. This way you don't lose any data from XP, but don't have to worry about all the clutter of upgrading : you just grab the pieces you want and copy them over. I have done this on 4 win 7 installs, and it couldn't be easier. the Migsetup.exe wizard tool is another easy way to do this as a clean install but w/out losing data. I think the installer is top notch. My only request would be an "advanced" button to allow people to pick a little more granularity as to what packages are being installed. I have "ultimate" but I don't need/want media center, and other various pieces.
just my.02, seems like the most solid version of windows yet. Been using it since beta @ work, home, etc. and had nothing but good experiences.
It sounds like rebooting the device actually clears the worm but they have so much malware traffic in the network that it gets reinfected due to them being unable to update the software w/ the fix...
Seems like the best solution would be a handy network engineer blocking these communications at layer 4...then you reboot the devices at your leisure and eventually you should be relatively clean.
(this assumes a lot, it's hard to say what shape the environment was in)
maybe slightly off topic, but i noticed in LCD Tvs that the new "high end" models (i just picked up a Samsung 40" 71F) have the glossy screen as a feature...the older ones all had matte. I personally don't mind it...it's very shiny when it's off, but it's so bright when it's on there is just no way you'll see any glare. I wonder if this is a case of "hide the defects" that Samsung is playing at?
The Dell business line laptops all come w/ matte finish screens and are very nice. The D830 and D630 are very solid laptops. And if you buy their gold support, their tech support is pretty decent. (god forbid you don't though...)
Hewlett Packard only supports Red Hat Enterprise linux on their DL lines of server hardware. Does this mean that other versions of linux don't work on them? No. It just means that if you want to run something other than that, they do not have on-site tech support that can assist you. They have to pick their battles, and they chose Red Hat (in the case of HP) or they picked SUSE (in the case of Microsoft). Nothing unusual about this, you see this all the time at the enterprise level.
to be fair to the parent you think should be modded down, my experience is the same as his. windows 2003 server, WSUS 3.0, i show them marked as "updates". Should people like YOU piss me off?
it's a little off topic, but in response to your mention of AI, i think people aren't asking for better AI in the sense that it is a "perfect player", rather in the sense that it acts more intelligently, makes intelligent decisions...reacts to dynamic environments in a realistic way (where "real" is the term to designate interacting with the environment in the way that a real "person" would...e.g. not able to see through walls or have eyes on the back of it's head, but listen to "sounds" that your player makes and make reactions based on that) Anyways, I digress, i know, but it just seemed like a bad analogy to me. I agree with the sentiment in your post though in it's entirety. Longest run on sentence ever:)
It's certainly interesting and a bit suspicious, considering their prices/shipping options aren't really better than many other online shops, like zipzoomfly etc. I mentioned this in a different thread already, but how useful is a review section if all it does is show positive reviews? Not everyone can possibly be happy with every product...hasn't someone experienced some lack of performance or slower 3dmark scores? Didn't someone's item show up broken? I don't know, it just seems weird.
I had a person experience with this. It's probably a bit boring, but here goes.
I purchased about a year ago a LeadTek Geforce 6800 GT from Newegg.com After getting it and doing some benchmarks, i realized that somehow they had sent me some sort of wierd card...it was actually the equivalant of a 6800 GTS (it had memory running at a much lower clock speed than it should have been, and clearly didn't run at 'stock' GT speeds). I contacted newegg, they were very cool about it, and they refunded my money after I mailed it back to them.
I later wrote a review of the product along with the description of the problems that I had in the hopes that it could alert some people who may have been inadvertantly mis-sold a product like myself (Newegg had no idea how I had gotten this card) along with a actually glowing review of newegg for their customer service, but it was never added to the website. I tried a different version later, and it was also not added.
I can understand it to some extent, but I felt that in a way it's also just protecting their behind, and I felt like there should have been a way for me to warn other customers. After all, isn't that why we read reviews? Not just to look for the "5 STARS OMG IT RULES" reviews, but also the problems that people have? I know that's why I look at them. It is I think, a marginal business practice that I don't really agree with.
i bought the optimus rhyme cd, and I like it a lot. It's got old school flavor while they rap about their databases and websites...it's funny, it's cool, and they got a good beat!
The point of music is to entertain, and there is a huge market of these 'socially inept' computer geeks out there, many of which seem to be slamming themselves in this very thread. I agree with stephen that hobbit rap is probably something that shouldn't be touched, but why the hate on geeks like you and me making money combining the things they love : music and geekdom!
Someone tipped me off about the original TV series about a year ago...after getting the movies from Netflix, I was blown away by how great they are...what an unfortunate turn of events that they got cancelled so soon. I can't wait for this movie!
you seem to find it "hilarious", but many people I know who do not have the time to dedicate to the game to do the high end game content and prefer to be a casual player actually enjoy simply manipulating this fully organic virtual economy by buying and selling, creating scarcity, etc. etc. and make a boatload of virtual money through it. To them, that's half the fun. (they could translate this virtual currency into real currency, but most of my friends don't agree with that...)
It doesn't hurt that given enough gold, it's _very_ fun to play the right character, even casually, for Player vs Player.
this is true. Dell currently ships a blue or green CD labeled "recovery disk' that has the OS packaged along with all of their drivers and software.
Many manufacturers also create a hidden 'recovery partition' allowing you to hit a key during the boot process and restore it to factory defaults...this isn't anything new either. It's been around (on laptops at least) for at least 10 years.
That doesn't mean people want to figure that out. I've had several people who i do on the side desktop support for me end up calling me later saying that they got their computer infected again, and go frustrated so they went and bought a new computer. I quietly inquire as to what they plan to do with the old computer, and offer to buy it off of them (they often give it to me for free).
Not to mention, the new hardware hardly keeps them from being infected again, so those with lots of money and little patience will be upgrading often! Time to start dumpster diving outside of rich powerful executives' houses.
One of the arguably biggest strengths of the Nintendo Revolution will be that it is not only backwards compatible, but also going to have a capability of playing old titles. It's flexibility makes it a must buy. Yippee...
but wait...PCs not only have emulators for every old console known to man, but also the entire back library of PC games that go back 15+ years! (granted, getting some of those DirectX 1 games to run anymore in windows XP is, uhm, DIFFICULT)
Sure it's harder to develop for a system that has infinite hardware combinations, but I think the variety is also the biggest strength of the PC gamers computer. PCs have the biggest archive of old games ever.
I guess this also goes to show that there are all kinds of PC gamers. Some don't need to upgrade their hardware every 6 months to be able to play the games they like. Some do. Consoles have a certain rigidity (which is reduced in modded xboxen) but that is attractive to some people as well. They are all solutions to bringing us, the consumer, entertainment in the form of glowing pixels. I doubt we'll see the ways that entertainment is brought to us reduced anytime in the near future.
p.s. Anyone ever figure out a way how to play Missionforce:Cyberstorm in a current version of windows? PM me please!
I really think it depends on the 30 year old. Many of them grew up playing nintendo mario games and have a fondness in their heart for them.
Also, many people look past the name "mario" or the hype of the "mature" look on another system, and look beneath...for gameplay. In my experience many games with "mario" in their name have really fun play mechanics and expand on the existing genre of that type.
Examples : Mario Power Tennis, upcoming Mario Soccer, Super Smash Bros, Mario Golf etc.
Nintendo finds a medium people like...fighting games, sports games, etc, throw in some first party licences to attract fans, and then add in new and inventive gameplay. (crazy power shots, interactive environments, great 4 player action)
It's a formula that has kept me buying their stuff...but has probably made some gamers lose out on fantastic games because they just see "Mario" and are turned off. I don't really know what to say other than "it sucks to be you" i guess...but really, give some of these games a shot.
Some of their development groups (Camelot most specifically) has been making cool new inventive games with new content (only splashing the big names like Mario). They made Mario golf for the gamecube, but the gameboy advance version didn't have any of the mario characters and instead focused on your main guy (whatever you chose to name him) and used graphics similar to their awesome Golden Sun series.
Perhaps it's time to start pushing the old "tried and true" characters a little into the back, and trying their new game mechanics with new characters, but it's pretty easy to see why they use the recognizable ones...they want to sell more copies.
This 30 year old (well not quite, but almost) will still be buying Nintendo Revolution. I'll probably buy the others as well!
This is not a new idea. Go back to even the oldest floppies, and they had a magnetic disk encased in a plastic protective cover. When CD-ROMs first came to PCs they came with little trays to put the disks in (for the life of me I can't remember what we'd call them...3 hours of post-star wars sleep will do that) Heck, I think the first DVD-RAMS had this too. The reason they don't do it as a standard is probably cost. The best part about DVDs and CDs is their low cost. It's just a plastic disk with mylar glued to the top. Start throwing in these plastic casings and the cost per disk would probably quadruple.
heh, you must have a lot more control of the desktop software at your company than I do. I'm no dictator of technology, and with people as stubborn and slow at learning as they are in the mortgage business, learning something entirely new from windows would destroy their fragile little minds.
We'd probably use domain policy to force this on, especially if there is a way to sort and collect this data on a central server, allowing us to use this as a troubleshooting and early warning system for computers that are having problems. We have a lot of sensitive customer information that I wouldn't want being sent to microsoft, so if we could just have the end point of the reports be us, I think that would be a useful tool.
As it is, xp has an error reporting thing on by default, which has always seemed incredibly useless. It's not like someone is going to report their power point document is crashing and microsoft is going to stop by their house the next day and fix it for them. It's just doing 'live beta testing' for microsoft.
on a side note...anyone know if their is a domain policy for disabling error reporting?;)
If we could just become the Masters of Orion, we would have a Huge Gaia planet, jeez.
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Jump the Shark is from fonzie jumping the shark in Happy Days. This was the turning point in Happy Days, in which every episode afterwards got worse and worse, until the show was over. Therefore, when a show "jumps the shark" they are on their way out. It's not related to the simpsons, other than the fact that many consider the Simpsons to be the only show never to "Jump the Shark"
heh, the place i work is a mortgage company, and i joke that anything that doesn't have to do with a loan, is the responsibility of IT. I get calls on everything from helping them move filing cabinets to fixing power outages and many other things outside of my control.
Now, I don't want people to walk all over me, but I feel my real job in this position is to do one thing, Make People Happy...so I do what I can to get them back on their feet and able to work, even if it is slightly outside of my job description.
The only dangerous ground I find myself on sometimes is when the people who work here expect me to do stuff for them outside of work, on their home computers etc. Most people are pretty cool about my seperation of work and not work though, so when I discuss my wage for on the side jobs, they are usually not put off. Of course, for the CEO i have to go do it for free anyways...there's some kind of irony there, but he is signing the checks sooooo...
I don't have as much 'life' under the belt so to speak as yourself, (which invariably helps) but I try to keep my attitude as positive as possible when dealing with customers. Your happiness can be infectious, and similarily, your disdain. If you're always cussing out the computers, calling the system software crappy (which i do in the privacy of my own office)they will start to feel the same way, and in a way it reflects badly on you who is unable to make them happy.
We're not the demi-gods BOFH anymore, perhaps (which is fine with me)...we're a service oriented position that has the power to make everyone's day better, or everyone's day worse. Might as well be for the better.
I'd say at my current place of employment (fairly small office, 200 employees, 4 branches) that I feel as though I have a lot of respect from those people that I support.
Certainly there is the air of mystery associated with that 'guy who just fixes stuff' and they don't have a clue how...I am a magician to them. However, they respect me not only for me enabling them to do their job more efficiently, but also for my friendly manner, my willingness to help out with even the most bizarre, difficult, or incredibly easy task, and my willingness to listen.
I feel as though easily half of my job is just making people feel better about the problems that they run into on a daily basis, and that their issues are important to me to fix, and that I understand their work and how the technology enables them to work. I wouldn't say that you aren't these things, (original poster) but perhaps someone in the position before you got there was a jerk, and so they look down on you because of that. Supporting customers in technology takes more than savvy and know how, you don't get respect, you earn it. Just my.02.
Not to pat myself on the back, but I recently recieved an award at my company (woo gift card time) for "Making changes happen", "Going the extra mile", having a "positive attitude",being "passionate", "delivering on promises" etc (quotes from the silly paper thing i got:) ) I think too often IT people just focus on making the problem go away, you have to have a wider focus..02
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if you do a "clean" install off of the DVD w/out formatting the drive, it just moves your old windows, documents and settings, and program files directories to windows.old and installs clean. This way you don't lose any data from XP, but don't have to worry about all the clutter of upgrading : you just grab the pieces you want and copy them over. I have done this on 4 win 7 installs, and it couldn't be easier. the Migsetup.exe wizard tool is another easy way to do this as a clean install but w/out losing data. I think the installer is top notch. My only request would be an "advanced" button to allow people to pick a little more granularity as to what packages are being installed. I have "ultimate" but I don't need/want media center, and other various pieces.
just my .02, seems like the most solid version of windows yet. Been using it since beta @ work, home, etc. and had nothing but good experiences.
This is partially true. I believe it's a joint venture w/ Fox?
It sounds like rebooting the device actually clears the worm but they have so much malware traffic in the network that it gets reinfected due to them being unable to update the software w/ the fix...
Seems like the best solution would be a handy network engineer blocking these communications at layer 4...then you reboot the devices at your leisure and eventually you should be relatively clean.
(this assumes a lot, it's hard to say what shape the environment was in)
who's "they"? People going to the website? Or are you inferring that it's "Evil Partisan Operations Engineers" working for Change.gov?
maybe slightly off topic, but i noticed in LCD Tvs that the new "high end" models (i just picked up a Samsung 40" 71F) have the glossy screen as a feature...the older ones all had matte. I personally don't mind it...it's very shiny when it's off, but it's so bright when it's on there is just no way you'll see any glare. I wonder if this is a case of "hide the defects" that Samsung is playing at?
The Dell business line laptops all come w/ matte finish screens and are very nice. The D830 and D630 are very solid laptops. And if you buy their gold support, their tech support is pretty decent. (god forbid you don't though...)
Hewlett Packard only supports Red Hat Enterprise linux on their DL lines of server hardware. Does this mean that other versions of linux don't work on them? No. It just means that if you want to run something other than that, they do not have on-site tech support that can assist you. They have to pick their battles, and they chose Red Hat (in the case of HP) or they picked SUSE (in the case of Microsoft). Nothing unusual about this, you see this all the time at the enterprise level.
a reference to the lunar eclipse last night?
to be fair to the parent you think should be modded down, my experience is the same as his. windows 2003 server, WSUS 3.0, i show them marked as "updates". Should people like YOU piss me off?
it's a little off topic, but in response to your mention of AI, i think people aren't asking for better AI in the sense that it is a "perfect player", rather in the sense that it acts more intelligently, makes intelligent decisions...reacts to dynamic environments in a realistic way (where "real" is the term to designate interacting with the environment in the way that a real "person" would...e.g. not able to see through walls or have eyes on the back of it's head, but listen to "sounds" that your player makes and make reactions based on that) Anyways, I digress, i know, but it just seemed like a bad analogy to me. I agree with the sentiment in your post though in it's entirety. Longest run on sentence ever :)
It's certainly interesting and a bit suspicious, considering their prices/shipping options aren't really better than many other online shops, like zipzoomfly etc. I mentioned this in a different thread already, but how useful is a review section if all it does is show positive reviews? Not everyone can possibly be happy with every product...hasn't someone experienced some lack of performance or slower 3dmark scores? Didn't someone's item show up broken? I don't know, it just seems weird.
I had a person experience with this. It's probably a bit boring, but here goes.
I purchased about a year ago a LeadTek Geforce 6800 GT from Newegg.com After getting it and doing some benchmarks, i realized that somehow they had sent me some sort of wierd card...it was actually the equivalant of a 6800 GTS (it had memory running at a much lower clock speed than it should have been, and clearly didn't run at 'stock' GT speeds). I contacted newegg, they were very cool about it, and they refunded my money after I mailed it back to them.
I later wrote a review of the product along with the description of the problems that I had in the hopes that it could alert some people who may have been inadvertantly mis-sold a product like myself (Newegg had no idea how I had gotten this card) along with a actually glowing review of newegg for their customer service, but it was never added to the website. I tried a different version later, and it was also not added.
I can understand it to some extent, but I felt that in a way it's also just protecting their behind, and I felt like there should have been a way for me to warn other customers. After all, isn't that why we read reviews? Not just to look for the "5 STARS OMG IT RULES" reviews, but also the problems that people have? I know that's why I look at them. It is I think, a marginal business practice that I don't really agree with.
i bought the optimus rhyme cd, and I like it a lot. It's got old school flavor while they rap about their databases and websites...it's funny, it's cool, and they got a good beat!
The point of music is to entertain, and there is a huge market of these 'socially inept' computer geeks out there, many of which seem to be slamming themselves in this very thread. I agree with stephen that hobbit rap is probably something that shouldn't be touched, but why the hate on geeks like you and me making money combining the things they love : music and geekdom!
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Someone tipped me off about the original TV series about a year ago...after getting the movies from Netflix, I was blown away by how great they are...what an unfortunate turn of events that they got cancelled so soon. I can't wait for this movie!
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you seem to find it "hilarious", but many people I know who do not have the time to dedicate to the game to do the high end game content and prefer to be a casual player actually enjoy simply manipulating this fully organic virtual economy by buying and selling, creating scarcity, etc. etc. and make a boatload of virtual money through it. To them, that's half the fun. (they could translate this virtual currency into real currency, but most of my friends don't agree with that...)
It doesn't hurt that given enough gold, it's _very_ fun to play the right character, even casually, for Player vs Player.
this is true. Dell currently ships a blue or green CD labeled "recovery disk' that has the OS packaged along with all of their drivers and software.
Many manufacturers also create a hidden 'recovery partition' allowing you to hit a key during the boot process and restore it to factory defaults...this isn't anything new either. It's been around (on laptops at least) for at least 10 years.
That doesn't mean people want to figure that out. I've had several people who i do on the side desktop support for me end up calling me later saying that they got their computer infected again, and go frustrated so they went and bought a new computer. I quietly inquire as to what they plan to do with the old computer, and offer to buy it off of them (they often give it to me for free).
Not to mention, the new hardware hardly keeps them from being infected again, so those with lots of money and little patience will be upgrading often! Time to start dumpster diving outside of rich powerful executives' houses.
suicide is only painless if it's a M.A.S.H. up.
Legacy...that reminds me...
One of the arguably biggest strengths of the Nintendo Revolution will be that it is not only backwards compatible, but also going to have a capability of playing old titles. It's flexibility makes it a must buy. Yippee...
but wait...PCs not only have emulators for every old console known to man, but also the entire back library of PC games that go back 15+ years! (granted, getting some of those DirectX 1 games to run anymore in windows XP is, uhm, DIFFICULT)
Sure it's harder to develop for a system that has infinite hardware combinations, but I think the variety is also the biggest strength of the PC gamers computer. PCs have the biggest archive of old games ever.
I guess this also goes to show that there are all kinds of PC gamers. Some don't need to upgrade their hardware every 6 months to be able to play the games they like. Some do. Consoles have a certain rigidity (which is reduced in modded xboxen) but that is attractive to some people as well. They are all solutions to bringing us, the consumer, entertainment in the form of glowing pixels. I doubt we'll see the ways that entertainment is brought to us reduced anytime in the near future.
p.s. Anyone ever figure out a way how to play Missionforce:Cyberstorm in a current version of windows? PM me please!
I really think it depends on the 30 year old. Many of them grew up playing nintendo mario games and have a fondness in their heart for them.
Also, many people look past the name "mario" or the hype of the "mature" look on another system, and look beneath...for gameplay. In my experience many games with "mario" in their name have really fun play mechanics and expand on the existing genre of that type.
Examples : Mario Power Tennis, upcoming Mario Soccer, Super Smash Bros, Mario Golf etc.
Nintendo finds a medium people like...fighting games, sports games, etc, throw in some first party licences to attract fans, and then add in new and inventive gameplay. (crazy power shots, interactive environments, great 4 player action)
It's a formula that has kept me buying their stuff...but has probably made some gamers lose out on fantastic games because they just see "Mario" and are turned off. I don't really know what to say other than "it sucks to be you" i guess...but really, give some of these games a shot.
Some of their development groups (Camelot most specifically) has been making cool new inventive games with new content (only splashing the big names like Mario). They made Mario golf for the gamecube, but the gameboy advance version didn't have any of the mario characters and instead focused on your main guy (whatever you chose to name him) and used graphics similar to their awesome Golden Sun series.
Perhaps it's time to start pushing the old "tried and true" characters a little into the back, and trying their new game mechanics with new characters, but it's pretty easy to see why they use the recognizable ones...they want to sell more copies.
This 30 year old (well not quite, but almost) will still be buying Nintendo Revolution. I'll probably buy the others as well!
This is not a new idea. Go back to even the oldest floppies, and they had a magnetic disk encased in a plastic protective cover. When CD-ROMs first came to PCs they came with little trays to put the disks in (for the life of me I can't remember what we'd call them...3 hours of post-star wars sleep will do that) Heck, I think the first DVD-RAMS had this too. The reason they don't do it as a standard is probably cost. The best part about DVDs and CDs is their low cost. It's just a plastic disk with mylar glued to the top. Start throwing in these plastic casings and the cost per disk would probably quadruple.
heh, you must have a lot more control of the desktop software at your company than I do. I'm no dictator of technology, and with people as stubborn and slow at learning as they are in the mortgage business, learning something entirely new from windows would destroy their fragile little minds.
;)
We'd probably use domain policy to force this on, especially if there is a way to sort and collect this data on a central server, allowing us to use this as a troubleshooting and early warning system for computers that are having problems. We have a lot of sensitive customer information that I wouldn't want being sent to microsoft, so if we could just have the end point of the reports be us, I think that would be a useful tool.
As it is, xp has an error reporting thing on by default, which has always seemed incredibly useless. It's not like someone is going to report their power point document is crashing and microsoft is going to stop by their house the next day and fix it for them. It's just doing 'live beta testing' for microsoft.
on a side note...anyone know if their is a domain policy for disabling error reporting?
If we could just become the Masters of Orion, we would have a Huge Gaia planet, jeez.
Jump the Shark is from fonzie jumping the shark in Happy Days. This was the turning point in Happy Days, in which every episode afterwards got worse and worse, until the show was over. Therefore, when a show "jumps the shark" they are on their way out. It's not related to the simpsons, other than the fact that many consider the Simpsons to be the only show never to "Jump the Shark"
heh, the place i work is a mortgage company, and i joke that anything that doesn't have to do with a loan, is the responsibility of IT. I get calls on everything from helping them move filing cabinets to fixing power outages and many other things outside of my control.
Now, I don't want people to walk all over me, but I feel my real job in this position is to do one thing, Make People Happy...so I do what I can to get them back on their feet and able to work, even if it is slightly outside of my job description.
The only dangerous ground I find myself on sometimes is when the people who work here expect me to do stuff for them outside of work, on their home computers etc. Most people are pretty cool about my seperation of work and not work though, so when I discuss my wage for on the side jobs, they are usually not put off. Of course, for the CEO i have to go do it for free anyways...there's some kind of irony there, but he is signing the checks sooooo...
I don't have as much 'life' under the belt so to speak as yourself, (which invariably helps) but I try to keep my attitude as positive as possible when dealing with customers. Your happiness can be infectious, and similarily, your disdain. If you're always cussing out the computers, calling the system software crappy (which i do in the privacy of my own office)they will start to feel the same way, and in a way it reflects badly on you who is unable to make them happy.
We're not the demi-gods BOFH anymore, perhaps (which is fine with me)...we're a service oriented position that has the power to make everyone's day better, or everyone's day worse. Might as well be for the better.
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:) ) I think too often IT people just focus on making the problem go away, you have to have a wider focus. .02
I'd say at my current place of employment (fairly small office, 200 employees, 4 branches) that I feel as though I have a lot of respect from those people that I support.
Certainly there is the air of mystery associated with that 'guy who just fixes stuff' and they don't have a clue how...I am a magician to them. However, they respect me not only for me enabling them to do their job more efficiently, but also for my friendly manner, my willingness to help out with even the most bizarre, difficult, or incredibly easy task, and my willingness to listen.
I feel as though easily half of my job is just making people feel better about the problems that they run into on a daily basis, and that their issues are important to me to fix, and that I understand their work and how the technology enables them to work. I wouldn't say that you aren't these things, (original poster) but perhaps someone in the position before you got there was a jerk, and so they look down on you because of that. Supporting customers in technology takes more than savvy and know how, you don't get respect, you earn it. Just my
Not to pat myself on the back, but I recently recieved an award at my company (woo gift card time) for "Making changes happen", "Going the extra mile", having a "positive attitude",being "passionate", "delivering on promises" etc (quotes from the silly paper thing i got