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Microsoft's New Mantra - It Just Works

bonch writes "Fortune has a story about Microsoft's new philosophy--'It just works.' Jim Allchin details various planned Longhorn features to meet this goal, such as auto-defragmenting in the background, the ability to have files in more than one folder simultaneously, and the new ad campaign Microsoft is running to get people excited about Windows. Mentions are also made of the competition from Linux, OS X Tiger, and Google."

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  1. Unbelievable by BWJones · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wow. Cannot Microsoft even come up with their own mantras rather than copy others? Come on now guys, this is pathetic, but I guess nothing is new under the sun. Seriously though, even now, I still own a bit of stock in Microsoft and I've been to the campus a number of times, so from the annual reports I get, along with friends who work there, I know Microsoft can/should be able to do better than this. (Or can they?)

    There are absolutely some capable folks there, so what is the problem? Why must you (almost) always use Apple as a source for inspiration? There is a reason that I moved my investments in Microsoft stock to Apple stock three years ago, and you are doing nothing to make me want to reinvest in Microsoft. Is marketing that out of control up there? Jim, come on now, I've met you and you are one smart guy. Finding the above link to Apple took me all of two seconds in Google and this statement from the article: "Jim Allchin, Microsoft's group vice president for platforms, looked at my Apple PowerBook and smugly pointed out that the number of copies of Windows sold this year will be more than all the Macintosh computers used worldwide." really worries me. It shows an arrogance that is not going to serve you or Microsoft well.

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    1. Re:Unbelievable by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Funny



      Microsoft: proudly stealing from Apple since 1983.

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    2. Re:Unbelievable by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Wow. Cannot Microsoft even come up with their own mantras rather than copy others?"

      Because, as we know "It Just Works" was invented by Apple.

      It's not like the phrase returns 150,000 hits on Google or anything. And Linux distros like Ubuntu certainly haven't used that phrase to describe their OS.

    3. Re:Unbelievable by b17bmbr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Microsoft: Where do we want to steal from today?

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    4. Re:Unbelievable by 0x461FAB0BD7D2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Copying and assimilating software and companies has worked for them so far. Why should they start innovating?

      Every marketing dept knows that innovation means risk. Risk could mean loss, and at a time that Linux and Mac OS X are on the rise, it's a risk they can't afford to take. So they're going with what's tried and tested.

      They have a strangle-hold on the desktop market. They just need to make sure people don't switch to other OSes by offering them just enough.

      Interestingly, their motto might as well have been "It's just enough". At least it's original.

    5. Re:Unbelievable by Golias · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Microsoft does indeed have some very, very smart people working for them.

      They tend to hire the very best and brightest, right out of the top IT programs in the country, and train them from the beginning of their careers into "the Microsoft Way."

      I've seen some of the questions they ask new hires in the interview. They love to throw MENSA-type logic puzzles at candidates to really separate the wheat from the chaff and get top-notch problem solvers on board.

      Apple, on the other hand, has a reputation for a long hippie-dippy history (at least during the times it has been under Jobs's watch) of recruiting programmers with education and experience background completely outside the computer sciences, especially people with artistic backgrounds.

      I strongly suspect this is the key difference as to why Apple, with a much smaller staff and having much less money, keeps cranking out fantastic ideas (with a few duds in the mix), and spotting the truly great garage innovations worth buying (for example, the decision to hire the SoundJam programmer to build iTunes for them)... while Microsoft seems to be completely incabable of ever bringing anything new to the table, or even recognizing something as worth buying/stealing before it's already a success.

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    6. Re:Unbelievable by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 3, Insightful

      fastest way to extinction in a changing environment is to stand still.

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    7. Re:Unbelievable by Big+Mark · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually "It Just Works" was a slogan MS were using to describe Windows XP at one point. Four years ago if this is any measure.

    8. Re:Unbelievable by Tim+Browse · · Score: 3, Interesting
      spotting the truly great garage innovations worth buying (for example, the decision to hire the SoundJam programmer to build iTunes for them)

      People's fluid definitions of 'innovation' (which change depending on which company they're talking about) annoy me at the best of times, but are you really saying that a me-too mp3 player is really a 'truly great innovation'?

    9. Re:Unbelievable by Simon+(S2) · · Score: 5, Insightful
      And Linux distros like Ubuntu certainly haven't used that phrase to describe their OS.

      Microsoft did copy the Ubuntu logo as well, unless Ubuntu did copy ther logo from someone else before...

      Well... I guess everyone does copy from someone else somewhere in time.
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    10. Re:Unbelievable by Golias · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Haven't you heard the expression "build a better mousetrap, and the world will beat a path do your door?"

      SoundJam was not a "me too" MP3 player. It was a better MP3 player than just about anything else that was floating around at the time. For a tiny shareware app, that's relatively impressive.

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    11. Re:Unbelievable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We hire free thinkers. Mensa be damned. Some people are a nervous wreck in the interview room and some are slick ricks. The slick ricks aren't necessarily the best choice. We have this one guy at work and by all counts he is as bright as the sun when it comes to solving problems but he is a complete and utter prick when it communication and interpersonal relationship. Everyone who has worked with him hates his guts and would throw him to wolves if given the chance.

    12. Re:Unbelievable by Headcase88 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Microsoft: proudly stealing from Apple since 1983.

      Nah, MS just made that up and it happened to be just like their slogan. This is comparing Apples and oranges.

      (Bitter, evil, digusting, thieving oranges)

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    13. Re:Unbelievable by Simon+(S2) · · Score: 2, Informative
      unless Ubuntu did copy ther logo from someone else before...

      Sorry for replying to myself, but I forgot the link.
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    14. Re:Unbelievable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting


      I've seen some of the questions they ask new hires in the interview. They love to throw MENSA-type logic puzzles at candidates to really separate the wheat from the chaff and get top-notch problem solvers on board.


      This is somewhat of a myth. I went through the MSFT interview process a number of years ago. (I ended turning the position down because when it came right down to it, I didn't want to move to Redmond ... but I digress)

      In any case, the only person who through a logic puzzle at me was this really junior guy who was obviously just learning to interview. The morning interviews were all cake, but after lunch they switched me to the serious interview track.

      No mensa logic puzzles there. Just: Here's a pen, there's the whiteboard, Here's a problem, start pseudocoding. OK, now, I feed your pseudocode this kind of bad input, what does it do?

      It was the most gloves-off, code-or-die interview I've ever had.

    15. Re:Unbelievable by greed · · Score: 2, Informative

      Worked on Macintosh, for starters. I don't know if there ever was a Real Jukebox for Mac. If there was, I wouldn't have installed it.

      But it was the album management that was truly wonderful. I still would rather have SoundJam's selection interface than iTunes; though I'm starting to get used to the 3-pane browser iTunes likes. I never built playlists; I didn't need to.

      When you sorted your library by Genre, you got a list of genres with disclosure arrows. Hit one, and you got all artists in that genre, with disclosure arrows for artists. Hit one of those, and see all the albums, each with another disclosure arrow. Hit one of those, and you see all the tracks on that album.

      Similarly, sort by Artist, and you get the Artist/Album/Track list; sort by Album and you get Album/Track. All in a format very similar to System 7 Finder's list view. (I think they must have used the same Toolbox routines.)

      SoundJam also ran really well on low-ish machines. It was actually useful on my 100 MHz 603E-based Performa.

      Though I believe Apple contacted the N2MP3 developers to write iTunes first.

    16. Re:Unbelievable by thesalodonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And ubuntu copied their menu bar from alistapart http://www.alistapart.com/d/slidingdoors2/v1/ex10a .html/. And I copied this flame template from Picasso. It's in our nature to steal good ideas.

    17. Re:Unbelievable by katorga · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Arrogance or fact, the numbers are important and the numbers represent why Mac's always seem to be used by "lone wolves", folks whose jobs don't require massive integration with thousands of other folks at an application and data level. The numbers are why Apple has less market share than Linux and is rapidly shifting to a consumer electronics business plan.

      Its sad too, because no other PC manufacturer designs better looking, more ergonomic hardware or has a better operating system. All of which is destined to remain in "niche-ness".

      My powerbook is my favorite system. But I have to FIND things to do with it because no matter what I have to test my code on windows, linux, and solaris. I have to game on windows or linux. Its really nothing more than a very cool computer with a great OS running email, playing songs, and surfing the web....something a $50 appliance can do. My x86 systems are my work horses.

      FWIW, Enlightenment 17 + X11 looks like more of what I want out of a modern GUI than either Longhorn or OSX.

    18. Re:Unbelievable by name773 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "(Or can they?)"

      i'm sorry, but doesn't bolding a parenthetical statement defeat some of its purpose?

    19. Re:Unbelievable by shobadobs · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, but the people in Microsoft's logo are dramatically obese.

    20. Re:Unbelievable by DeepHurtn! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, I don't think the GPs point was that they *only* need people skills, but that could be a better measure of "separating the wheat from the chaff" than pure abstract thinking. Maybe a bunch of talented people working really really well together *are* better than a bunch of really really talented people working alone and resenting each other. Of course, those are the extremes; there are people with both set of skills, so both models will have both type of employees. But maybe the emphasis on teamwork can lead to successful development.

    21. Re:Unbelievable by mboverload · · Score: 3, Funny

      Microsoft: It just works as long as you have 5+ years of experience or you'll be screwed by spyware and viri.

    22. Re:Unbelievable by Stanistani · · Score: 4, Funny

      >lots of MacOSX code went into the early Windows versions

      So Microsoft's innovation was inventing a time machine?

      Unbelievable indeed...

    23. Re:Unbelievable by Glendale2x · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because, as we know "It Just Works" was invented by Apple.

      It's not like the phrase returns 150,000 hits on Google or anything. And Linux distros like Ubuntu certainly haven't used that phrase to describe their OS.


      Come on; you know that we're supposed to be against Microsoft on this one. Didn't you get the memo?

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    24. Re:Unbelievable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      They are Americans....

    25. Re:Unbelievable by David+Off · · Score: 2, Funny

      > No mensa logic puzzles there. Just: Here's a pen, there's the whiteboard, Here's a problem, start pseudocoding.

      So that's how they coded Longhorn?

    26. Re:Unbelievable by pangel83 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We continuousely see people complaining that linux apps copy windows-land GUI features (look at OpenOffice, and firefox that has copied almost all the innovative features introduced by Opera).

      But the attitude in Slashdot is that if it's Open Source, we accept it in the name of attracting more users. On the contrary, when Microsoft does it, we always have 600-comment discussions of people whining!

      Don't get me wrong, I am absolutely no Microsoft zealot. But I am getting fed up with the same story repeated here. Additionally, the Gates-Borg image reminds me that Simpsons episode with the Fox News spoof and the devil horns on the democrat candidate.

    27. Re:Unbelievable by Angostura · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, a quick search on Google Groups by date suggests that the phrase in a marketing sense was first popularized by Steve Jobs... but when he was at NeXT.

      I suspect that the phrase transferred to Apple with him. It was certainly widely used around the launch of OS X.

      You can see here, that it was a well entrenched NeXT slogan by late 1992. The earliest quote from Jobs using it as a slogan I could find was in January of that year.

      Why yes, I do have too much time on my hands.

    28. Re:Unbelievable by TheHornedOne · · Score: 3, Funny

      "In any case, the only person who through a logic puzzle at me"

      For heaven's sake, man. It's 'THREW' - you didn't turn down the position at Microsoft: they bonged you for misusage of the English language!

    29. Re:Unbelievable by ColMustard · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The numbers are why Apple has less market share than Linux and is...
      You sound like a troll, but oh well.

      Linux may have bigger marketshare on servers, but I very much doubt it has even close to the marketshare that Apple does for desktop use, which is where Apple focuses most of their marketing. Pretty impressive considering:
      • Linux is usually "free" (as in beer) or cheaper than Mac OS X.
      • Linux can be compiled to run on a lot more hardware than Mac OS X is built for.
      What this means is that desktop linux must be in pretty bad shape (it was when I tried it a year ago). I don't think the old standby excuse that people just don't know about Linux yet applies any more. I know that many people believe that Windows is all there is (because I know many of them), but anyone who is informed enough to know about the Macintosh platform also at least knows about Linux, and they just aren't switching to Linux.

      As for gaming on Linux. All I can say is "haha whatever." But hey, I'm really glad that you use and apparently like Linux. Just put your marketshare numbers into perspective.
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    30. Re:Unbelievable by supabeast! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Wow. Cannot Microsoft even come up with their own mantras rather than copy others?"

      Exactly what I was thinking... the whole "It just works" idea is why I went from Windows to Linux, and from Linux to Mac. But for Microsoft to expect people to have faith that their shitty software will ever "just work" is sort of ridiculous.

    31. Re:Unbelievable by Red+Alastor · · Score: 2, Informative

      Stealing ? Apple *paid* Xerox.

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    32. Re:Unbelievable by thelamecamel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The open source ripoffs of commercial products have made an improvement over the original - the ripoffs are open source. When Microsoft rips off other products' features, the only improvement is that more people get to use those features. Ripping off slogans, however just confuses the masses.

    33. Re:Unbelievable by spauldo · · Score: 2, Informative

      NTFS basically a forked OS/2 filesystem

      NT is basically forked OS/2. But it's not like that.

      OS/2 was originally a joint IBM/Microsoft project. I've got disks for "Microsoft OS/2 v1.3" around here somewhere. It came in a box with LanManager and looked a lot like NT 3.5. Unfortunately, while the OS/2 disks are fine, some schmuck from my shop had used a couple of the LanManager disks for scratch disks, so I've never gotten to play with the network part of it.

      Basically, someone at microsoft got the idea that they could port the windows API to OS/2 - and it worked. When management was told, they took their toys and went home to make windows NT. Really pissed off IBM from what I hear.

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    34. Re:Unbelievable by el+cisne · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here's a place you might like:

      Microsoft Hall of Innovation

      And here's a catalog of what they've bought, influenced, cannibalized and what products they later became. The (Nearly) Whole Microsoft Catalog. So much of what they sell was done by others and engulfed. Freedom to innovate, my ass -- it's obscene when they say the word.

    35. Re:Unbelievable by 3dr · · Score: 3, Funny

      How unfortunate a slogan.

      Another reading of "It just works" is the take that it is barely adequate, just about to fail. Which is considerable truth in advertising from MS.

      The software analogue of this is, "It compiles, ship it!"

    36. Re:Unbelievable by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ok, so they did not only steal from Xerox, but they also bribed Xerox to not complain about it. Shame on them! :-)

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  2. It just won't work by s1283134 · · Score: 3, Funny

    If there was truth in advertising.

    1. Re:It just won't work by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Funny
      Worse, they're now "featuring" an problem from way back in the DOS days - cross-linked files in corrupt directories:
      he ability to have files in more than one folder simultaneously
      If you can't fix it, feature it.

      Seriously, is it THAT hard to get people to understand symlinks?

    2. Re:It just won't work by blargosity · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Does that mean that opening folders will take much longer than ever before since it will be busy creating icon previews for everything in the folder?

    3. Re:It just won't work by TCM · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Shortcuts" are in no way similar to symlinks. Shortcuts are a disgutingly ugly hack. Ever tried to look how shortcuts are implemented? Yep, they are _files_ themselves with a .lnk extension that you never see in Explorer. Ever tried handling a shortcut in a script?

      I feel insulted by "microsoft has symlinks already, they are just called shortcuts".

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    4. Re:It just won't work by HillBilly · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It doesn't matter who does what first these days. It's who make its popular and after a while people will associate that product with the person who marketed it the best.

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    5. Re:It just won't work by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 2, Informative

      To be fair, microsoft has symlinks already, they are just called shortcuts. What they are talking about here is hard links, which unix has been doing for decades also.

      Windows has both junctions and hardlinks for years as well, however many peole never use them. NTFS had support for them from its creation.

      What Microsoft is talking about is having 'search' folders that display a set a documents based on criteria, like the search folders introduced in Office Outlook back in 2002. (Again a Microsoft innovation)

      Also Win95 and newer had the ability to save searches, so that just opening the search would open the folder - again people did not use it.

      The new version of this feature is what Microsoft is talking about, where the folders will have a better UI to access the 'search' folders and update faster instead of implementing a new search by maintaining a simple indexed system. (again something that was in Win2k, but never used because of the lack of support in the UI).

      Everyone says Microsoft is stealing these ideas from Apple, but if you look back Microsoft had these concepts in their OS but the UI lacked for them.

      Microsoft is simply putting some performance to the them and making them easier to use. As they did in Outlook 2003, search folders super easy and extremely fast in Outlook. Indexing and maintaining Inboxes of folders in execess of 10gb without a blink of an eye.

      If I was going to say who was copying who, Apple copied these concepts, especially as the Microsoft Office team demonstrated more how they would work in the future OSes via their implementation in Outlook 2003. Which was in beta and had this conceptual feature long before tiger even was in the birthing process.

      The Microsoft Desktop Search Agent is another feature where Microsoft is testing the UI of the search features, and as you would see if you have tried both, Apple is copying more of Microsoft again, than what they would want you to believe.

      One thing about Apple, their marketing is more effective, and they have more zealots in their corner, Microsoft somehow doesn't have the same fan base where you have people consistently post 'we love Microsoft no matter what they do'.

      PS this post is more for the thread than just a response to your comments, so please don't think I am directing everything at your comments about hardlinks.

    6. Re:It just won't work by timeOday · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Longhorn doesn't just show you an icon for a document, for example, but rather an itsy-bitsy picture of the first page.
      This is closely related to an XP bug that drives me nuts. I'm generating video files tens of gigabytes large, and when I open a directory containing such a file with the Windows Explorer, it crashes after a few moments, I believe because it's generating an iconic image of the first frame. At some point I managed to turn the preview off and all was well, but now it has reappeared.
  3. Just works.... they way they tell you it should. by ivan256 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you put in a DVD, the volume will automatically adjust and the video will just start playing full screen. "You shouldn't have to spend a lot of time struggling with things," Allchin said

    How long will I have to struggle with it to figure out how to turn that off?

  4. sorta by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Funny

    "It mostly kinda sorta works."

    or

    "Eventually, when Longhorn ships, it may actually work."

    So yeah, don't buy anything else until then, cuz that wouldn't make sense!

  5. Nothing new really by Synli · · Score: 3, Interesting

    such as auto-defragmenting in the background

    Windows XP auto-defragment as well (if enabled).

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    1. Re:Nothing new really by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2, Informative

      auto-defrags small files (20 mb) but the large files are not defraged.

      OS X defrags large files after an install and because they use the end of the drive for writing data to and such most of the info on the drive already stays where it is and maintains integrity.

      NTFS does neither of the later things... it will be nice when longhorn comes out.. I might buy it for a new computer perhaps.

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  6. Well I gotta say by paranode · · Score: 5, Funny
    That's definitely a step up from the Linux mantra: "RTFM noob".

    :)

    1. Re:Well I gotta say by jaydonnell · · Score: 2, Funny

      "This got a Funny 4 rating?! I can't imagine why, since that's exactly how I've been treated." That IS why :)

    2. Re:Well I gotta say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      While I do see the humor in it, I would think that Linux advocates who want people to switch to it would give more friendly encouragement and help.

    3. Re:Well I gotta say by jaydonnell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree. It just depends on which community you find yourself in. Ubuntu has a very friendly community at http://ubuntuforums.org/

    4. Re:Well I gotta say by commonchaos · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Thats why I like Linux, seriously.

      The reason why I am able to work in the computer field that I do is because of that mentality. The hours, days, and weeks that I spent reading HOWTO's and man pages were all well spent. I didn't have to pay to learn how to configure, maintain and program a computer.

      While there are allegorical sources of knowledge for Apple and Microsoft products, I have not been able to learn new technologies from these companies as I have with Open Source.

      What I love so much about Linux is that I can dig as deep down into the system as I want and find exactly what I was looking for. With Linux, you never hear "this is a known issue, we are working on it", "this will be fixed in the next release", or "use this workaround". With Linux, you hear "RTFM n00b" because the documentation is already there.

    5. Re:Well I gotta say by Brunellus · · Score: 2

      Help is for the weak. :)

      ....or for those who have other things to do than muddle about randomly....

  7. Pressure by CallFinalClass · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, they're feeling pressure from MacOS X. Good. Very good.

  8. Typos by dauthur · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oops. I think someone had on Dvorak or something when typing "crashes".

  9. Advertising by thegamerformelyknown · · Score: 3, Informative

    From what I understand, the advertising campaign Microsoft is launching (it's quite large too) has absolutly nothing to do with Longhorn. They are simply addressing XP.

  10. wtf?? by macaulay805 · · Score: 4, Funny

    the ability to have files in more than one folder simultaneously

    Finally, a windows eq to ln -sf!

    1. Re:wtf?? by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I thought Windows already had the ability to set Hard links & junctions.

      The Internet Explorer, Recycle Bin, "My Network places" icons are links, not shortcuts, right?

      With a shortcut, you can modify the shortcut metadata without affecting the metadata of the target. But with these dudes, you modify one set of meta data and it affects all of the icons.

    2. Re:wtf?? by Anm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, it does have this ability already (although not in the places you cite). Here is a command line app to create them:

      http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/source/misc.shtm l#junction

      For example, I used this to share Sims neighborhoods between user accounts so my girlfriend's characters can interact with mine. works great, but be careful with it.

      Anm

  11. Alternative slogans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    'It works, just' - any others? :D

  12. It Just Works by grahamlee · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Or, It Already Works For Someone Else So We'll Pinch It:

    auto-defragmenting in the background HFS+

    ability to have files in more than one folder simultaneously symlinks, Smart Folders

    the new ad campaign Microsoft is running to get people excited about Windows Maybe that does indeed Just Work. No-one ever got fired for choosing a Microsoft (although there are places where that's beginning to change).

    1. Re:It Just Works by RuneB · · Score: 2, Informative
      No, both symbolic links and hard links are filesystem-level under Unix. A hard link is just an extra directory entry pointing to the same underlying file, and thus cannot cross a filesystem boundary, while a symbolic link is stored as a string and can contain any pathname (vaild or not.)

      For symbolic links, you are correct that an application may need to be modified when it wants to remove the underlying file instead of the symbolic link itself. With hard links, the file will be removed when there are no more directory entries pointing to the file.

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  13. wha~? by blew_fantom · · Score: 2, Funny

    waitaminnit... isn't this apple's mantra??? apple = microsoft??? *gasp* bill gates = steve jobs??? OMG! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!!!

  14. It just works... by lilmouse · · Score: 2, Funny

    and if you can figure out what the h*ll it's done, then you're ahead of the game! If you can undo it, then you'll be ...a god.

    --LWM

  15. I laughed, I cried... by Upaut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Reading this article, it does have its moments to consider: Allchin, a wiry-built 54-year-old who has been in charge of Windows for almost a decade, is admirably blunt about his own frustrations using the current operating system. It annoys him, for example, that the adjustments necessary to move a laptop from a work to a home network aren't obvious. Longhorn, he said, will make that process easy, along with many other common tasks. If you want a Longhorn machine to automatically configure itself so you can work in a coffee shop, it will. If you put in a DVD, the volume will automatically adjust and the video will just start playing full screen. "You shouldn't have to spend a lot of time struggling with things," Allchin said, adding that the number one design goal for Longhorn has been: "It just works."

    Funny, my Powerbook G4 has been doing this for years. I guess Microsoft will be downplaying that a bit further down...

    Much has been made in the computer press recently of the surprising similarities between Longhorn and Apple's upcoming new Macintosh operating system, Tiger. (See Peter Lewis's recent column, Apple's 'Tiger' to Stalk Rivals April 29.) The bottom line is that both will make finding items in our ever-increasing digital stores of information and entertainment much easier. Longhorn doesn't just show you an icon for a document, for example, but rather an itsy-bitsy picture of the first page. If you have a really good monitor--and eyesight--you could even read the numbers in that spreadsheet. You also will be able to put files simultaneously in different folders, and find the one you want with much more ease than you can today. Microsoft's research shows that the average corporate employee spends about 20% of her time on the PC simply looking for items. "We're trying to go beyond search into what we call 'visualization and organization,'" said Allchin

    Right. I got Panther to do this with a little tweaking, and from what I read, Tiger may be doing something similar. Talk about innovation...

    For all the advances that Microsoft and other computer companies have made in recent years, and despite the fact that PCs are central to many of our lives, it's still hard to use them. So it was reassuring to hear the main guy responsible for making their software predict that the situation will improve soon. I hope that he's right when he says that future systems will "just work."

    Great. Fantastic. *Applause* But I don't trust it. I've heard this before. Until I see some increased security before they attempt to make their UI as beautiful as Mac OS X, I'm not even going to bother giving them the time of day.

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    1. Re:I laughed, I cried... by ashSlash · · Score: 2, Informative

      Gnome & Nautilus support icons that preview the document they represent right out of the box; and of course hard links have been around a good few years on Unix-like OS too.

  16. It Just Barely Works. by Spankophile · · Score: 4, Funny

    Or maybe:

    I Just Works.
    Barely.

    1. Re:It Just Barely Works. by PaxTech · · Score: 4, Funny
      The motto should be : "It Just Wroks." Then a few years later they can issue a patch.

      Welcome to Microsoft, where nothing can possiblaye go wrong.

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  17. It Just Reboots by millermj · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...or if you prefer, it just crashes.

    I've got too much experience with Windows to consider it for an enterprise environment.

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  18. time to update my list by FidelCatsro · · Score: 5, Funny

    So far we have
    Free as in costs money
    Advantage as in same later
    and open as in closed

    We have a new entry
    It just works as in windows.
    Quite inkeeping with the rest of the publicity statments i belive

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  19. or... by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Funny

    "It just works as designed." (you poor bastard)

  20. Re:Just works.... they way they tell you it should by Teddy+Beartuzzi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No kidding. I hate automatic stuff. Don't move my frickin' icons, I put them there for a reason. Don't hide those menu commands, I like to know what my options are. Don't hide the programs that are running...

  21. Rephrasing by biryokumaru · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Longhorn doesn't just show you an icon for a document, for example, but rather an itsy-bitsy picture of the first page.

    konqueror has done this for a while... I'm not terribly versed in GUI file managers for X, but I'd presume that other programs do it as well... I guess their new mantra is just a reincarnation of their old mantra "Steal other people's ideas and then charge for it!"

    Rather than running just on computers that process 32 bits of data at a time, the new version will run on chips that process 64 bits.

    To rephrase: "Windows will finally catch up to the rest of the world and be compatible with emerging technology, a practice that Microsoft is loathe to indulge in (see Internet Explorer)."

    "If it's got arithmetic logic on it, then I think our software should be targeting it"

    Another rephrasing: "We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile." - Jim Allchin, addressing my TI-86.

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    1. Re:Rephrasing by TCM · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Longhorn doesn't just show you an icon for a document, for example, but rather an itsy-bitsy picture of the first page.

      Is it just me or does anyone else see a whole new can of worms (heh) open up here? So by default all files are processed by some code even if you just want to see what files are there? Great.

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    2. Re:Rephrasing by TCM · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And how is this "rendering" done? Without code? So what if I make a user download some malicious file for which there is no thumbnail in the metadata?

      This dumbing down gets annoying. "Oh, we will make the user's experience so much better by assuming what he wants and doing tons of stuff in the background." If I download a file from who knows where, I surely don't want any code processing its contents without my knowledge.

      Look what they did with SP2's IE. AFAIK there is a "feature" that tags downloaded files as "untrusted" or simliar. So if you download an .exe and try to execute it, you get a warning. This approach is totally backwards and screams of ugly design. I don't expect anything from them to be different.

      "It just works" doesn't make me comfortable. It rings alarm bells.

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    3. Re:Rephrasing by TCM · · Score: 4, Informative

      Is it even theoretically possible to embed computer code in a JPEG file and execute it through the viewer? No, this is not even theoretically possible.

      I must have dreamed then when this came up.

      Thanks for clearing that up Mr. Troll Coward, Sir.

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  22. File in more than one folder at once? by pmbuko · · Score: 4, Funny

    >ln /foo/bar/say_it_aint_so ~/say_it_aint_so

    1. Re:File in more than one folder at once? by yagu · · Score: 3, Informative
      or, if in different file system (happens a lot)......

      $ ln -s /foo/bar/say_it_aint_so ~/say_it_aint_so

  23. an astute comment from reader of TFA by yagu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For those who don't read beyond the end of TFA... a great quote (with attribution): First, from TFA a quote from Allchin re the current state of affairs in XP vs. what Longhorn "will" deliver: Allchin: Microsoft's research shows that the average corporate employee spends about 20% of her time on the PC simply looking for items. Then, the comment from a reader: Rod Shuffler 04/22 10:55 An interesting article. Does that 20% non-productivity figure that Allchin quotes get factored into TCO arguments?

    1. Re:an astute comment from reader of TFA by somethinghollow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then I guess the average corporate employee is either dim-witted, computer illiterate, or a poor organizer.

      Dim-witted: I just don't remember where I put that file. I guess I'll have to look in every folder for it.

      Computer Illiterate: When I click File>Save I just click OK when the dialog pops up. I don't bother renaming it or putting it somewhere that is accessible. Now it's really hard to determine where I save that Really Important Document, and if it is Untitled-1.doc or Untitled-72.doc.

      Poor Organizer: I just save everything into My Documents. I know where to go to find it, but I have 3,000 files in there to scroll through just to find the one I want.

      If corporations would train users how to use and organize their files, this database-filesystem shit would only be a nice extra feature, not a must-have killer app.

    2. Re:an astute comment from reader of TFA by yagu · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Dim-witted: I just don't remember where I put that file. I guess I'll have to look in every folder for it.

      Not every file being looked for was created by the person looking for it. I've found myself frustrated by this many times, and have been left with no option BUT to search every folder.

      ...Computer Illiterate: When I click File>Save I just click OK when the dialog pops up. ...

      I do this.... I've gotten so used to having applications configured myself sometimes I use an application that I either forgot to configure, or one that doesn't have an option to configure (so I have to navigate each time to a "standard" place -- don't laugh, lots of these apps still exist, and you don't always get alternative choices...).

      ...Poor Organizer: I just save everything into My Documents.

      If this were a crime, 90 percent of the population would be brought up on charges. It's hard enough to organize stuff you understand with technology you understand.... But try organizing when you're using tools you barely understand with tools noone understands that create files in "standard" places noone knows about!

      If corporations would train users how to use and organize their files....

      Training?!? What's that?

      Seriously, if there weren't a need for retrieval tools, they wouldn't be getting created. On the other hand what I find most fascinating about the original article was Allchin's concession at all about the non-productivity. That "admitted" non-productivity in my opinion is largely contributed to and exacerbated by the amazingly bad paradigm put together by Microsoft for directory structure, organization, and permissions.... "Documents and Settings"????? What the heck it that???? (The one time I'd wished for Microsoft to copy unix with a fairly standard notion of something like "/home/login", but, noooooooo.)

  24. New feature? by minotaurcomputing · · Score: 5, Funny

    "the ability to have files in more than one folder simultaneously"

    Is it just me.. or do all OSes do this? I have thousands of files, all in different places, all at the same time... right now.

    -m

  25. What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So they realized the just couldn't pull off the security thing, and have decided to move in another direction?

  26. Defragmenting "just works"? by base_chakra · · Score: 2, Informative

    Jim Allchin details various planned Longhorn features to meet this goal, such as auto-defragmenting in the background

    Here's something that works: implementing a file system that doesn't require constant defragmentation.

    1. Re:Defragmenting "just works"? by imroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Funny you should mention ReiserFS. Version 3 implemented efficient block allocation, much like E2fs and others have. It didn't need to be defragmented, either manually or automatically. As long as the filesystem didn't get too full then it worked fairly well. But the new Reiser4 however uses a periodic "repacker", which sounds very much like auto-defragmentation.

      From the long document of the Namesys website:

      Another way of escaping from the balancing time vs. space efficiency tradeoff is to use a repacker. 80% of files on the disk remain unchanged for long periods of time. It is efficient to pack them perfectly, by using a repacker that runs much less often than every write to disk. This repacker goes through the entire tree ordering, from left to right and then from right to left, alternating each time it runs. When it goes from left to right in the tree ordering, it shoves everything as far to the left as it will go, and when it goes from right to left it shoves everything as far to the right as it will go. (Left means small in key or in block number:-) ). In the absence of FS activity the effect of this over time is to sort by tree order (defragment), and to pack with perfect efficiency.

      Reiser4.1 will modify the repacker to insert controlled "air holes", as it is well known that insertion efficiency is harmed by overly tight packing.

      I hypothesize that it is more efficient to periodically run a repacker that systematically repacks using large IOs than to perform lots of 1 block reads of neighboring nodes of the modification points so as to preserve a balancing invariant in the face of poorly localized modifications to the tree.

      Emphasis mine.
      I wonder how much effort is expended allocating blocks in Reiser4. From the document it would be safe to assume the attitude is something like "put it to disk as fast as possible, leave the repacker to optimise things". If a file is only short-lived (temporary) then it's not really worth optimising its allocation and placement.

  27. spyware by Electric+Eye · · Score: 4, Funny

    *raises hand*

    Gates: "Yes. You there with your hand up."

    Me: "Mr. Ballmer? Mr. Gates? What about spyware and virii on the Longhorn platform?"

    Bill: "As our slogan says, 'It just works!'"

    Me: "Oh."

    1. Re:spyware by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Want to be taken seriously? Stop making up words to try to sound cool. The plural of "virus" is "viruses."

    2. Re:spyware by TheWama · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hey, while you're right, there's no need to be an ass about it.

      Some people genuinely believe that the plural of virus is viri. While they're wrong, at least it's a mistake with a decent basis. It turns out that a bunch of words in English are derived from Latin words, and plenty of these words do follow the convention of -us postfix for singular and -i for plural.

      Seesh, I myself made that mistake for a while, after years of having these endings tables drilled into my head.

  28. defragging in the background??? by advocate_one · · Score: 4, Interesting

    how about having a filesystem that doesn't suffer from fragmentation in the first place so you don't have to waste processor cycles defragging it!!!!!!!

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  29. It just works, if... by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 2, Funny

    If it will 'just work' in the future, we would see some of the 'just working' in Windows XP.

    But noo....

    But sometime you need to scroll down a list, no... the other list. Yeah, that one. Select 'properties'-- what? No, right click on the icon, and select 'properties'. And then... no wait it's not here. Click 'cancel'. Ok, now click 'cancel' again. Now, hit the 'x' in the upper right hand corner of the screen.

    Now go to "start: settings: Control Panel", click on "Users Accounts", click on "change account", click on your username. What? No, I don't know why they have a .NET password in here. Yeah, it has something to do with that "Windows Messenger" that keeps poping up in then system tray. Now click on 'Change my name", and then change your name.

    Sometimes it just works.

  30. hey, wait a minnit! by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Doesn't this imply that "it" doesn't yet work? That's the same thing as saying it's broken, right?

  31. Why? by Senjutsu · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because stealing from Apple just works.

  32. better slogan by ch-chuck · · Score: 3, Funny

    From just reading the register a few minutes ago, the slogan, "70 Percent Fewer Reboots" sounded pretty good to me.

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  33. Re: stocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Microsoft is a bad buy simply because they have little room left to grow. Buying Apple three years ago was a smart move much along the lines of buying Microsoft shares in the late-80s.

  34. It does work... by Dethboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Until it blows up. Or your software contract expires. Or we decide it's time to 'upgrade'.

    Then you are on your own.

  35. you'll never even notice it... by fanblade · · Score: 2, Funny

    From TFA: "Which means, for example, Longhorn will automatically clean up, or "defragment," your hard drive, if it is required. You won't even know it's happening."

    So you mean Longhorn is going to make the incessant ticking and whirring of my hard drive less annoying? I seriously doubt it.

  36. Compatibility by demon411 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well I am hoping all the win 9x/2k/xp software I use now will work on longhorn. Like will IE 7.0 be compatible with all the spyware I have for IE 6?

  37. Re:Just works.... they way they tell you it should by prefect42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think the OS *should* support hard linking though. If I really want to organise my files that way, so be it. Same way I'd rather windows defaulted to symbolic linking rather than shortcuts.

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  38. Re:Too much to hope for by thegameiam · · Score: 2, Funny

    You have a 1D LCD? is it tall or wide? ;)

    -David

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  39. Great Job Advertising by geomon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For Apple.

    They have done more to market for Apple in the last few weeks than they realize (or maybe they do realized).

    Every comparison of features is with something already released under the current OS X, or is a feature that will be in the next release of OS X (slated soon?).

    I guess I don't get what Microsoft's strategy is for this campaign. Is this the Microsoft "Me Too" campaign?

    I would love to see the sales numbers for the next OS X release. We could see some increase in sales due to Microsoft owners realizing that there is another OS in the market that works at least as well, if not better, than XP.

    Maybe Gates owns a bunch of Apple stock and is hedging his bets.

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  40. This is a 'Good Thing' by RobRancho · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In reality, as cute as it may be to point out the 'imitation' going on here, it might be better to look at the renewed (finally!) competition taking place. For years, Microsoft has been relatively reluctant to do any serious innovation in OS development, instead focusing on the issues that were generating the most complaints. Think about it, from Windows 95 through Windows XP, what major innovations have been introduced?

    Now, however, that Mac OS has been making big strides and an ever increasing number of people have started to look at it as a viable alternative (even in my small-business workplace!), Microsoft has seemingly started to take the competition seriously. This is a Good Thing!

    Competition always benefits the consumer, and prior to the last couple years, there *was no competition* in the desktop OS category.

  41. Re:Just works.... they way they tell you it should by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Exactly. The difference between Microsoft and Apple's interface philosophy (I think):

    1. Apple makes it easy for the user to do complicated things.

    2. Microsoft tries to automatically do complicated things for the user.

    Approach #1 might be somewhat restrictive but gives the user some credit.

    Approach #2 is rife with problems, notably ActiveX, email attachments that run themselves, autoscanning HDDs, and myriad other annoyances/outright hazards.

    I'll take approach #1. It just works.

  42. Typo by soloport · · Score: 4, Funny

    No, it's "It's Just Works"!

    Remember? MS Works? Nothing new, here. Move along...

    1. Re:Typo by Bush+Pig · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, "It _just_ works", as in "barely". It's all in the emphasis.

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  43. Re:Just works.... they way they tell you it should by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Defaults to on, defaults to off... Who cares?

    The point is that Microsoft has a long history of adding features to their operating system, and putting all the effort into the feature instead of putting some into the configuration of the feature.

    I don't care if the feature is there, or what the default state is, as long as I don't have to go somewhere arcane that I'd never think of without hours of exploring to turn it off... Just like I hated having to figure out that the power settings for my hard drive were in "Display Settings" under screen saver.

  44. Well... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Wow. Cannot Microsoft even come up with their own mantras rather than copy others?"

    Because, as we know "It Just Works" was invented by Apple.


    You have to admit, it's better than the old one:

    It probably works

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    1. Re:Well... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, it was:
      Microsoft: It's not a bug...it's a feature!

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    2. Re:Well... by bahamat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That was actually said to an associate of mine by someone from Novel. Somewhere around NetWare 5 there was a way for a regular user who had supervisor access to a subsection of the directory structure to remove all access from the real Supervisor (read root) to those files. He reported it as a bug, they claimed it was a feature.

    3. Re:Well... by peg0cjs · · Score: 5, Funny
      "It Just Works" (for very small & constrained values of It)
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    4. Re:Well... by spauldo · · Score: 2, Informative

      What's even better is where the supervisor can remove all access from something from himself, orphaning a section of the tree.

      Was a real problem in the 3.x days, from what they told me when I went through air force tech school. You had to rebuild the entire NDS tree to fix it.

      DISCLAIMER: I never had a chance to work on it myself, so I dunno. Lucky me was stuck being the only UNIX guy in an NT shop, with nothing but an old I-series HP to keep me company.

      Did they ever find a way around that problem?

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  45. Like IE by 514CK3R · · Score: 2, Funny

    So does it "Just work" like IE "Conforms to CSS Spec"? Perhaps Lie will come out with a Acid3 test that shoves the cream pie into Billg's face like the earlier time it happened.

  46. Re:Just works.... they way they tell you it should by guitaristx · · Score: 5, Funny

    It just works...

    <zoom in on fine print...>

    The "It just works" slogan is representative that Microsoft products will work for something. Microsoft guarantees that all hardware running Microsoft software will always "Just work" as:
    Boat anchors
    Target practice
    Paper weights
    Furniture, including bookends, footstools, and coffee tables

    "It just works" may or may not apply to:
    File storage
    Application development
    Application platform
    Gaming
    Multimedia
    Use of the Internet

    depending on the availability of service packs, updates, and copious bandwidth, as well as other factors (not exclusively including) ambient temperature, the phase of the moon, the average body mass index of Microsoft programmers, and the parity of your score when you reach the flagpole.

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  47. Believable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apple: proudly failing to capitalize on good ideas since 1976

    1. Re:Believable by AEton · · Score: 5, Funny

      Apple: proudly failing to capitalize first letters since iMac

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    2. Re:Believable by skingers6894 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apple: Proudly going out of business since 1984

  48. Re:Just works.... they way they tell you it should by Moofie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The much better solution would be to tag the MP3's with metadata that gets cached into a searchable database, and then completely ignore the folder hierarchy.

    You know, kinda like iTunes does.

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  49. Nice move Microsoft... by rnturn · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... because you have to know that this slogan is going to be ridiculed. It probably took all of a few microseconds before the first parody of ``It Just Works'' was thought up. Here's mine:

    Longhorn: It Barely Works

    Longhorn: It Just Works In the Lab

    Longhorn: It Almost Works

    Longhorn: It Worked Just a Minute Ago!

    I'll be referring to Longhorn using the first one I listed above. Seems like it'll be a useful slogan until about SP3 or SP4. (That's if it ever makes it to market.)

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  50. Re:hard links by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Informative
    Hard links - 2 or more inodes point to the same block on the same device/partition;

    Cross-linked directory == same shit, dude, except that it was (1) unintentional, and (2) it meant that you probably lost a file (two files, A and B, with 2 directory entries, but both entries point to A. B is lost).

    Evidently, you weren't around in the old DOS days.

  51. Re:What does "It just works" mean to Microsoft? by blargosity · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Does it mean that, when someone unthinkingly plugs their new device into the USB port before they've installed the software, it won't require a registry rollback or hunting down cached .inf files to get Windows to work with said device?

    When does Windows ever require this? I've personally ignored the instructions of some devices, even when they say install the driver first before plugging it in, and have had no problems installing the driver after I plugged the device in.

  52. Re:Too much to hope for by Makoss · · Score: 2

    I'm pretty sure 1D would be a line, with zero thickness. . .

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  53. Note to MS: No more slogans ending in -ks. by Shag · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Two reasons:

    1. Catchy slogans ending in -ks strangely tend to already be in use by other people. And no, I'm not talking about Apple here. How about Autodesk?

    2. Words ending in -ks can easily be altered on billboards. "It just sucks" is going to be just as easy as this one was...

    Apparently Microsoft is suppressing its memory of these past events.

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  54. A Bad Slogan for Microsoft by ronfar · · Score: 2, Insightful
    What's the difference between Apple (who originated the slogan) and Microsoft (who nicked it)?

    Apple is a hardware company that provides software to their own line of computers and other electronic devices exclusively, Microsoft is a software company that supplies software to everyone.

    What does this mean?

    Apple controls their hardware line. They don't have to worry about someone buying an off brand powerbook and having their software not work on it.

    Microsoft has to support all different kinds of hardware, from ancient legacy systems to bleeding edge stuff. It is extremely unlikely that it will "just work," all the time.

    They would have been better off stealing the Linux slogan, "Does it run Linux?" which seems to be applied to any random piece of hardware that comes out that might be capable of running an operating system.

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  55. Re: stocks by narcolepticjim · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's assuming Microsoft stock will be valuable only on the basis of being a growth stock.

    If they decided to release dividends periodically, it would still be a decent buy, because they make so much damn money.

  56. At the time, genuine media management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    When iTunes first came out, WinAmp users were still organizing MP3 files in directories, saving dozens of playlists, and spending hours on tag management and file name synching.

    Real had some media management, so did Musicmatch, but they were both messy, confusing, cramped, and slow to search.

    Right from the beginning, iTunes changed music from a wild collection of files on the hard-drive that had to be periodically coralled to a single library entity, searchable, playable, with built-in tag editing that put everything else to shame.

    It took the effort out of having a music library. A lot of geeks are still frustrated with it because they got all their file directory skills for MP3s down pat and the new way doesn't fit them, but can you honestly see twelve year old girls organizing thousands of songs the old way?

    It brought MP3 truly to the masses, not just the college crowd.

    1. Re:At the time, genuine media management by crabpeople · · Score: 2, Informative

      my experience with itunes:

      1) its an unnessicarily large application, taking up 80-90% of the screen. Contrast with winamp that is about 5 pixles by 50 pixles tucked into the corner of the screen (in minimal mode). so much space is waisted by itunes it reminds me of the difference between meadia player classic and media player 9. the latter sucking balls.

      2) You mentioned file sorting and organization. Winamp picks the ID3 tag first and then if thats not found, switches to listing the file name. Properly named files always sort and render fine. Contrast with itunes. Itunes takes the ID3 tag, sorts all those, then takes the ones with no ID3 tag and shoves them all at the bottom. SO files with no ID3 are basically not searchable via the title and artist attributes. btw ctrl + alt + j does on the fly search thru a playlist way faster (at about 10k songs) than the itunes search

      3) I have yet to find any sort of global hotkeys (ctrl + alt + page down for next song) in intunes. This is probably the most important feature in winamp. It allows you to map global hotkeys to basically do anything to a song.

      4) itunes is huge, winamp is like 600k

      I have an ipod, and thats pretty much the only reason i even bothered installing itunes. when i installed i tunes, despite telling it *NOT* to change my file associations it did. They then had to be manually set back to winamp.(i installed it twice on two different machines so im 100% sure it did it)

      IMHO the ipod UI isnt as hype as everyone here makes it out to be. Yes its a nice interface. yes its like a chick masturbating, but actually its very hard to do anything "advanced". Say for instance i put the player on shuffle. OK so i hit a good track from an album, and i want to hear the next track from that same album. Currently, you have to stop shuffle, navigate to the album and start playing from there. God help you if it switches tracks in the middle of your navigation. Then you have to re navigate again :) Contrast that to winamp (i know its on a PC) where i can just ctrl + alt + - and it instantly and seamlessly switches out of shuffle mode and into linear play.

      I do love my ipod, but they could have added some shortcuts as its especially hard to use while driving.

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    2. Re:At the time, genuine media management by Omestes · · Score: 2, Informative

      On my Mac I just click the little green button, and it minimizes to an itty-bitty corner of my screen. I know that it does the same on my XP box, but it was much harder to find. I think it was in the right side of the display window.

      I HATED iTunes when I first installed it (my friends Mac-hype), I really liked winamp MUCH better, even if it did have a buggy side. I was used to INTENSIVE music managment. But in reality is was very cumbersome, just an aquired taste. While iTunes is definatly not perfect, and has some nagging problems, i like it more because of the ease-of-use. I like just adding things, and then never having to think about them again. I love smart playlists, and iTMS took some time, but has grown on me.

      Are you really worried about program size? On my compy iTunes takes up 30MB, which is approx .3% of my immediate primary HD. I guess .06% would be better, but I doubt I'm going to loose any sleep over it.

      It takes about 3 seconds to enter the missing info from the ID3 tags. Beats sitting around correcting them all at some future time.

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  57. Re:Just works.... they way they tell you it should by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Better how? Filenames are nothing if not searchable metadata. As a bonus they're also hierarchal.

  58. A short haiku on the matter by Piquan · · Score: 3, Funny

    They say, "It just works".
    I sit with skepticism.
    Microsoft go home.

  59. Re:Just works.... they way they tell you it should by Pionar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In fact get rid of modal windows in general

    If that's not the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. Modal dialogs and windows are an important tool.

  60. You mean like Windows ME? by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 3, Funny

    I seem to recall that Ballmer had used that exact line ("It Just Works") to describe Windows ME. I can't find the exact reference, but this one might be close.

    I remember this because at the time, one of my colleagues kept mocking Ballmer by deliberately misquoting it as "It just broke." To which I usually responded, "...again."

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    1. Re:You mean like Windows ME? by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ok, here it is, I found it:

      http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9904/14/winhec.i dg/

      Back in 1999, Microsoft and Intel were using the "It Just Works" slogan to promote something they called the "Easy PC" initiative. And of course, it was more appropriate then, as it is now, to simply say "It just broke. Again."

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  61. wow. progress. by nexus987 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, files can be in more than one folder. Kind of like, uh, symbolic links? And now I don't have to defrag. Great. I hate all that time I have to spend defragging my linux and solaris disks. Oh, wait...

    1. Re:wow. progress. by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I'm not really surprised this got modded up, but let me explain why this IS progress.

      The MS demographic does NOT use linux and solaris. This is new for them, and it is an improvement. Nobody said it was innovative, but it most certainly is progress. I'm really sick of people harping on MS for actually improving their OS. Yeah, they're stealing a lot of ideas from all over the place, but not only does that make a LOT of business sense for their company (a lot less risk, and proven results), it improves the product for their customers and raises the standards for the OS with the biggest marketshare out there.

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  62. "It Just Works", a pretty accurate slogan - by halber_mensch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Depending on the idiom of "just", I think Microsoft is on the right track here.

    Consider:
    "You get a just a D in this class"
    "You earn just $10 of allowance this week"
    "There are just 50mg of sodium in diet coke"

    Longhorn - It Just Works!
    Does it work well? I'm not saying!

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  63. Microsoft Plug And Play by Thu25245 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Plug and play" used to be a phrase used by Mac users to describe the installation of new hardware.

    With Windows 95, Microsoft created a "standard" called Plug And Play. Of course, the Microsoft version involved the Add Hardware Wizard, which, in the opinion of many Macintosh users then and now, is entirely contrary to the idea of plug and play. (To be fair, the classic Mac OS wasn't always literally plug and play, either, but OS X almost always is.)

    I can only wonder what the It Just Works philosophy will give us.

  64. wrong one by roman_mir · · Score: 4, Funny

    here is the right one:

    It just works. Sometimes.

  65. In MS's defense. by bombadillo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the Article.... "You shouldn't have to spend a lot of time struggling with things," Allchin said, adding that the number one design goal for Longhorn has been: "It just works."

    This looks like it is being taken out of context. Notice they split his sentence into two parts. I don't see MS using this term anywhere else in the article or stumping on the "It just works" slogan.

    I am a Linux and Mac fan. I also think LongHorn is playing catch up to apple as far as UI goes. However, this article is a little unfair. Definitely anti-MS propoganda. Which is good :)

    1. Re:In MS's defense. by bani · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am a Linux and Mac fan. I also think LongHorn is playing catch up to apple as far as UI goes."

      You obviously don't have a mac.

      I have one, and OSX/Aqua is no end of illogical ui frustrations. Apple completely abandoned most of their original macos UI design guidelines in favor of eye candy.

  66. Re:Just works.... they way they tell you it should by Moofie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, iTunes does like to re-organize the files. Thing is, I don't care. I haven't given a lick of thought to the file hierarchy since I figured out what was up with the database.

    At first, I was seriously annoyed that it whacked my file structure. Then, I understood what it was doing, and the file structure was irrelevant.

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  67. Re:They copied the features, why not copy the slog by hunterx11 · · Score: 3, Informative
    Apparently it doesn't spin up "for no reason." From http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/apme/fragmentation /:

    When a file is opened on an HFS+ volume, the following conditions are tested:

    • If the file is less than 20 MB in size
    • If the file is not already busy
    • If the file is not read-only
    • If the file has more than eight extents
    • If the system has been up for at least three minutes

    If all of the above conditions are satisfied, the file is relocated -- it is defragmented on-the-fly.

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  68. Not even that by itistoday · · Score: 5, Insightful
    2. Microsoft tries to automatically do complicated things for the user.
    Actually, Microsoft doesn't even do this. As an example, we can compare network sharing between the two operating systems:

    Mac OS X:
    To turn on sharing, open up System Preferences > Sharing > Turn On File Sharing. Done. If anyone connects to the shared computer, they have to either login with the user name and pass, or access it as a Guest. Guest's only have access to each user's Public folder (which also has a dropbox inside).

    Windows:
    Right-click a folder > Sharing Tab > Share this folder. Now by default anyone can access this folder. To moderate access you have to open up Windows Explorer > Tools Menu > Folder Options > *View* (wtf??) > scroll down and check a box that says something along the lines of:
    Show advanced sharing options (NOT RECOMMENDED!)
    Then you've got to go back and right click the shared folder, go the sharing tab, and configure the new confusing options. The options make you manually type in the name of the users (or groups) that are allowed to have access to the folder. Finally, you're done setting up sharing on Windows.
  69. Re:Too much to hope for by thegameiam · · Score: 2, Informative

    Zero dimensions = a point
    One dimension = a line
    Two dimensions = a plane

    See also Flatland by Edwin Albott

    -David

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  70. Macs used by "lone wolves"? by King_TJ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have to disagree. I, too, own a Powerbook, as well as a dual 2Ghz G5 tower, a Mac Mini, and an Athlon 64 based PC tower. I use PCs and Windows every day for work, so I'm not one of these stereotypical "graphics arts" Mac using guys or anything....

    Microsoft loves to tout "the numbers" because that's really all they have going for them. Quantity does not equate to quality, however. There's something to be said for any company that strives to produce a top-tier product, even when that means not being capable of producing large numbers of it to "dominate the marketplace".

    Many of the best musical instruments aren't cranked out by the millions by a manufacturer. Rather, they're painstakingly assembled by hand, in small numbers. If they weren't "niche" products, they wouldn't be worthwhile products at all.

    The gaming market, right now, is all about quantity too - so it goes without saying that they're all over the Windows platform. Still, one can argue that many of the best/most entertaining games are only available for game consoles - not for Mac *or* PC. And it's beginning to look like this trend is only going to gain more momentum. (Again, when you're shooting for maximum sales numbers above all else, you start thinking in terms of "Why not write this for one specific hardware configuration we KNOW is in a given console, rather than trying to support all these potential PC software conflicts and gaming peripherals, etc.?")

    Meanwhile, game consoles seem to be headed towards using the same processor that's in the Mac, not the PC ... so maybe porting to OS X will become easier than porting to Windows in the future?

    I use my PC pretty much only for gaming these days, and my Mac for everything else. If I invest a couple hundred bucks or so in a new generation console (XBox 2 or something), I could probably ditch the Windows PC completely and not really miss it.

  71. Re:They copied the features, why not copy the slog by lgw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sure, sure, but Windows won't do that. You'll be idleing at your PC when suddenly the disk will go to 100% usage for a few seconds, just long enough to wonder WTF, but not long enough to get to the bottom of it.

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  72. Works with What? by chrisale · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Making Windows "Just work" by automating tasks has nothing to do with how Apple has been successful making their Operating System "Just Work".

    The reason this phrase is synonimous with Apple is because, since the beginning, when you sat down in front of your Mac and *you* the USER tried to do something, you just did it. Yourself.

    That's what "It Just works" means... it's the user coming back and telling their friend,

    "Hey I just plugged in my video camera and made a movie in like 5 minutes. I don't really know how I did it, but I did, IT JUST WORKED!"

    Apple can accomplish this because of it's control on hardware and OS integration. It works because the software is designed to take care of the basics behind the scenes and let the User take control of the situation.

    "It Just Works" does not equal more Wizards that delay and annoy you or "helpful" messages like, "You have unused items on your Desktop, please let me delete them!"

    It Just Works means the computer facilitates the process so that the User feels as though they are empowered and able to accomplish a task.

  73. Revised EULA section by hankaholic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Revised EULA text follows:

    16. DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTIES. The Limited Warranty that appears above is the only express warranty made to you and is provided in lieu of any other express warranties or similar obligations (if any) created by any advertising, documentation, packaging, or other communications. Specifically, marketing materials containing the phrase "It Just Works" specifically define "works" as the standard operation of the software, information and related content AS AND WITH ALL FAULTS, and does not warrant that the behavior of the software will meet expectations of function or operation. Except for the Limited Warranty and to the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, Microsoft and its suppliers provide the Software and support services (if any) AS IS AND WITH ALL FAULTS, and hereby disclaim all other warranties and conditions, whether express, implied or statutory, including, but not limited to, any (if any) implied warranties, duties or conditions of merchantability, of fitness for a particular purpose, of reliability or availability, of accuracy or completeness of responses, of results, of workmanlike effort, of lack of viruses, and of lack of negligence, all with regard to the Software, and the provision of or failure to provide support or other services, information, software, and related content through the Software or otherwise arising out of the use of the Software. ALSO, THERE IS NO WARRANTY OR CONDITION OF TITLE, QUIET ENJOYMENT, QUIET POSSESSION, CORRESPONDENCE TO DESCRIPTION OR NON-INFRINGEMENT WITH REGARD TO THE SOFTWARE.

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  74. but... by sloose · · Score: 2, Funny

    It just works... But to be on the safe side, please upgrade to Intel Pentium Extreme2 7ghz

  75. What's next? by gandalphthegreen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Longhorn: Insanely Great

  76. The 'emphasis' is on the wrong word! by woogli · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think what people are missing in all this is that when you SAY it, it sounds like this... It "just" works ... As in 'barely'.

  77. Zonk posted it wrong by indy_Muad'Dib · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft hasnt actually decided on the final slogan
    the choices are:

    Microsoft - It Just Barely Works

    Microsoft - It Almost Never Works

    Microsoft - At Least We Aren't SCO

  78. It just works ... to controll you by argoff · · Score: 4, Informative

    Isn't this going to be the version with DRM and all the other copy "protection" crap.

    I'm sure it won't work like linux, eg you can copy it, maniuplate it, move it arround from pc to pc, store it on your local servers for quick downloads and access, without a license, with out a phonecall to microsoft.

    Linux will work wether I have a CD, DVD, USB, network access, or even bootstrap floppy without much effort.

    Linux will work as a terminal or a server right out of the box.

    Linux will work on 32mb ram with a 400 mb disk and
    a tty text console.

    Linux will work on a 2048 node supercomputer parallel cluster.

    Linux will work on x86, x86-64, dec, sparc, mips, power-pc, and even ARM.

    GNU/Linux will work for editing, spread sheets, graphics, office productivity, mail servers, database servers, web servers, dns servers, smb servers, and development in over 10 different languages right out if the box.

    So how is microsift claming "it just works" again?

  79. Allchin is always such an entertaining read. by trudyscousin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Up in Ottawa and down in Texas, they're fond of saying "all hat and no cattle."

    Our British cousins are fond of saying "all mouth and no trousers."

    Of Microsoft's group vice president for platforms, I'm fond of saying "Allchin and no dick."

    Smug, annoying and delusional - he's the archetypal marketmonkey.

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  80. Re:Just works.... they way they tell you it should by baboon · · Score: 2, Informative

    Modal dialogs and windows are an important tool.

    With little exception, I believe modals are a crutch for lazy programmers who don't want to worry about addressing multiple contexts.

    Ok, give me a good reason why I can't highlight text for cut&paste in Firefox while its Preferences window is open. Suppose I wanted to set my Home Page to something I am reading on a page.

    Except for situations where the application is really entirely blocked, perhaps like "out of memory, should I crash?", modals have no place.

  81. Correction by jd · · Score: 2, Funny
    I'm fairly sure it's really one of the following:


    • It only just works
    • It just about works
    • It just doesn't work
    • It just works with malware
    • It just works - but you've no resources left to run anything else
    • "It", the alien, just works here. We said nothing about Longhorn.

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  82. Typical of MS, they can't even spell right... by Svartalf · · Score: 2, Funny

    They mis-spelled S-U-C-K-S... I'll admit, they both end in "ks", but the reality is completely different than what they're spinning here...

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  83. it depends what you're playing! by Phil+Urich · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You game on linux. Instead of OS X? Because? OS X has 10 times the number of gaming offerings that linux does. You really sound like a troll, but maybe you are just misguided. Here at work I use a powerbook, as does about half the company. We write software to run on the really expensive special purpose servers we sell. What exactly is it that you do on x86 hardware that you can't do from your mac? Umm, there are a lot more games for x86 architechture than for Macs. And alot of games that can run on Macs can run just fine on Linux; take UT2004, for example. And . . . umm, you're accusing grandparent of trolling? He said "I have to game on windows or linux." . . . it's quite understandable if the games he wants to play only run on Windows or Linux; you're the one doing troll-like things, like ignoring part of his statement and pretending he was setting up a dichotomy between Linux and OSX, when in reality he was talking about Windows and Linux, which can of course work in concert, installed even on the same computer. You, dear sir, appear to be the misguided one.

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  84. Innovation by einhverfr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "It Just Works."

    Apple used this phrase against Microsoft. Nobody things that Windows "Just works."

    * Files in multiple folders simultaneously

    OMG. They have reinvented hard links and symbolic links!

    * Autodefragmentation

    When was the last time you defragmented an EXT2 or ReiserFS partition?

    Besides didn't we hear that this feature was planned for NT4?

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  85. eWorld, eMate, iCapitalizeOnlyTheSecondCharacter by llamafirst · · Score: 2, Informative
    Apple: proudly failing to capitalize first letters since iMac

    Do not forget the shortlived Apple Newton eMate and the shortlived eWorld e-mail system that predate the iMac. :-)

    eMate = 1997
    eWorld = 1994
    iMac = 1998

    About each product...:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Newton#eMate_30 0
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imac
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emate#eMate_300

  86. Money Quote by rinks · · Score: 2, Funny

    "The VP of marketing at Ford looked at me smugly: 'Well,' he said, 'just compare the number of Ford Focueses on the market to the number of BMWs, and it's clear that we're in the lead'."

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  87. Windows gets features last... by gillbates · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From the article:

    Longhorn doesn't just show you an icon for a document, for example, but rather an itsy-bitsy picture of the first page.

    Um, excuse me, but isn't this what KDE has been doing for quite some time now? Why do Windows users have to wait for features I'm already using in Linux?

    I don't know whether Linux is just coming of age or if Microsoft is starting to slip behind the times, but it seems like more and more features are showing up in Linux before Windows:

    1. Linux offered true 32 bit multitasking before Windows.
    2. Linux had 64 bit support before Windows.
    3. Now, Windows is copying KDE?!

    Okay, so I haven't seen a Mac in a while, so the whole file preview thing might not have originated with KDE. But from this, it looks as if Microsoft is starting to lose some momentum.

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  88. "It just works" .. it's not microsoft's mantra... by bani · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...it's the mantra of win32 virus and spyware authors :-)

  89. This is why Microsoft will fail in this strategy.. by i1984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft cannot succeed with a strategy built around the idea of "it just works" because, fundamentally, Microsoft doesn't know what it means for something to "just work." Microsoft has, time and again, failed to produce highly usuable software for the same reason: it doesn't understand how the system should behave*.

    To make up for this lack of understanding (I doubt MS even realizes it doesn't understand how systems should behave) the company builds scripted interactions (unlovingly known to all of us as those irritating "wizards" that keep you from successfully creating the graph you want in Excel, etc...). In short, MS papers over bad behavior with bad interfaces that obstruct, obfuscate, and harass the poor souls who have to suffer through them. Microsoft has even named this philosophy: recall "Task Based Interfaces."

    And may the Lord have mercy if you don't want to perform a task Microsoft hasn't already thought up.

    Apple, on the other hand, approaches the problem differently. Rather than asking "how can we make it easy for someone to do XYZ," Apple asks "what should the tool XYZ do," and then if necessary builds an interface that allows people to modify that behavior through understandable, easy-to-find, commands/menus/buttons, etc.**

    Apple's strategy, starkly 180 degrees from Microsoft's "task based" strategy, is a human based system. Apple doesn't guess what you're trying to do, but instead makes tools that do what you expect. Thus people, not magical condescending wizards, can apply the tools to whatever variety of tasks may be at hand. So things "just work" because the tools do what we expect from them. Then the computer becomes transparent to the task, rather than the focus of the task itself.

    You probably won't encounter a single "wizard" included by Apple in OS X, aside from the intial setup assistant that isn't so much a "wizard" -- there's nothing "guiding" you through the setup screens -- as just a few screens full of fields of information the computer collects to get OS X configured appropriately.

    As long as Microsoft doesn't understand that for something to "just work," a tool needs to do what people expect, and that people should be able to directly interact with the tool's interface in a manner that allows even a relatively uninformed person to make the tool do what they want, then Microsoft won't succeed in building highly usable human interfaces.

    Since I'm confident that Microsoft hasn't turned a new leaf in this respect, I'm also confident the "it just works" campaign will amount to nothing more than saturation marketing and a lot of grumbling*** about cute animated puppy dogs pissing on our files.

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    * You could probably make a pretty good case for this problem being a fundamental problem in other aspects of Microsoft's design philosophy: bloat, poor security, inconsistency, and generally quirky, hard to predict behavior, could all spring from the same fertile root.

    ** This is a recursive strategy. It's not enough to make aprogram that does what a person expects, but every sub-piece of that program also needs to also do what a functionally experienced, but non-expert, user interacting with the tool for the first time might think it should do. Each button should be intuitively named. Menu items should be logically organized. The interface should be sufficiently uncluttered that interface elements are readily seen. It's OK for a system to have an unfamiliar way of interacting with the user (for example, drag-and-drop) if that method of interaction is widely applicable across the entire system so that once someone is familiar with the technique they can use it elsewhere. And so on.

    *** Here's an amusing, and very telling, anecdote about MS human interfaces: I was once talking to a Microsoft programmer about user interface issues, and brought up Clippy as one of the most glaring examples of Microsoft's human interface failures...but the programmer refused to believe me that most people actual

  90. Shell namespace by UnConeD · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is true that the shell namespace has hardlinks in it. It also has virtual folders like the Control Panel or enhanced folders like the Desktop or Fonts.

    The problem is that none of this is present in the filesystem which still uses those lovely drive letters. If you want to iterate the filesystem, you can use simple, tried-and-true APIs. If you want to iterate the shell namespace, you have to deal with the most convoluted system ever devised and handle numerous design flaws yourself (example: when retrieving the name of a shell item, it can be returned in one of three ways, each of which you have to handle).

    This is in fact the reason why there are so many Windows applications out there that ignore the shell namespace and only give you drive letters. It is a pain in the ass to do it properly.

    This means that if you want to access your desktop, your home dir or your documents in such an application, you have to go to the relevant filesystem folder. Confusion and anger follows.

    This shows another idea that Microsoft doesn't get: making Windows development easy and intuitive for programmers.