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The Sharpest Ever Global Earth Map

Roland Piquepaille writes "The GLOBCOVER project, started by the European Space Agency (ESA), has a very simple goal. It will create the most detailed portrait of the Earth's land surface with a resolution three times sharper than any previous satellite map. The image acquisition will be done throughout 2005 and use the Medium Resolution Imaging Spectrometer (MERIS) instrument of the Envisat environmental satellite. To create this sharp map, the GLOBCOVER project will analyze about 20 terabytes of data gathered by the European satellite. When it's completed, the map will have numerous uses, 'including plotting worldwide land use trends, studying natural and managed ecosystems and modelling climate change extent and impacts.'"

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  1. 'hello mum' by thegoldenear · · Score: 5, Funny

    time to put something interesting on the roof for when the sat passes over

    1. Re:'hello mum' by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 1

      Actually, this is a great idea. Have a contest in which participants vie for the honor of having the most interesting display seen from space.
      We could have categories like:

      - largest display
      - lighted displays
      - crop circles
      - most original display
      - (etc.)

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    2. Re:'hello mum' by Uruk · · Score: 3, Funny

      And it's also time to send out notice to the Californians: no more nude sunbathing.

      Now that would be one hell of a computer science Ph.D. project: "Investigating the 'Where's Waldo' Imaging Algorithm for the Detection of Nude Figures in Satellite Photos"

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    3. Re:'hello mum' by zeromemory · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unless you have a roof the size of large chemical processing plant, your house won't appear to be more than a speck of dust.

      The satellite imagery for this is being recorded at a resolution of 300 m. For comparison, the most zoomed in you can get on GoogleMaps is 2 m per a pixel.

    4. Re:'hello mum' by Gentlewhisper · · Score: 1

      I'm looking forward to one of those satelites that can analyse the exact atomic structure of everything it passes by.

      Way to go for the pr0n download... 3 billion subjects to choose from :D

    5. Re:'hello mum' by PopeAlien · · Score: 4, Funny

      And it's also time to send out notice to the Californians: no more nude sunbathing.

      you accidentally put the word no in there..
      its a minor typo, but it really should be "notice to Californians: more nude sunbathing".

    6. Re:'hello mum' by Gulthek · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your joke is one line too long.

    7. Re:'hello mum' by peculiarmethod · · Score: 3, Funny

      one could get a neighborhood to make roofs into pixels of a larger picture (goatse anyone?) by painting or tacking plastic over the larger part.

      just a thought.

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    8. Re:'hello mum' by Reaperducer · · Score: 5, Funny

      The satellite imagery for this is being recorded at a resolution of 300 m. For comparison, the most zoomed in you can get on GoogleMaps is 2 m per a pixel.

      But 300 is more than 2, so it must be better. That's why we're all salivating for 64-bit Minesweeper. Because it will be better than 32-bit Minesweeper.

      Haven't you learned anything from TV commercials?
      Digital is always better than analog, even when it isn't.
      More is always better than less, even when it isn't.
      More candy. More soda. More monkeys. More thermonuclear weapons.

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    9. Re:'hello mum' by sootman · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm gonna put a giant mirror on my roof so I can see what this satellite looks like.

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    10. Re:'hello mum' by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      And it's also time to send out notice to the Californians: no more nude sunbathing.

      Yeah, Californians need to stop doing that. If the rest of the nation can't figure out the difference between a male plug and a female socket, they have no one to blame but themselves.

    11. Re:'hello mum' by sootman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "The satellite imagery for this is being recorded at a resolution of 300 m. For comparison, the most zoomed in you can get on GoogleMaps is 2 m per a pixel."

      If that's the case, why does the article say it has "a resolution three times sharper than any previous satellite map"? Were the images that Google uses from aerial photography--that is, pics taken from airplanes, not satellites? I'm confused here.

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    12. Re:'hello mum' by Dolphinzilla · · Score: 1

      at the 300 meter resolution cited in the story I wouldn't worry too much - they won't be reading any license plates...and unless you live in a REALLY big house, that won't show up in more than one pixel :-)

    13. Re:'hello mum' by jericho4.0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Hi. My names Chris, I'm your neighbour from down the road......No, we've never met...Yeah, sorry about my dog, I'll try to keep her out of your yard...Well, anyway, there's this satellite ppicture being taken tomorrow, and I was wondering if I might convince you to join me and the other neighbours in trying to make a picture on our roofs.....Yeah, in space.....Yes, the internets will have it.... You will? Cool!....The picture? OK, uh...,here it is, but please understand, it's funny to a good chunk of the internet community, who are quite familiar with it, and I, uh..Oh, forget it.

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    14. Re:'hello mum' by d-Orb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The difference between stuff like google maps, and that sort of data (from the Quickbird or Ikonos satellites, with resolutions better than a meter) and MERIS (the instrument used for GLOBCOVER) or MODIS (the NASA equivalent. There before MODIS, slightly lower resolution, but you can get the data for the FTP site without the hassles you have to go through to get MERIS data. But I rant...) have poorer spatial resolution (MERIS full resolution is 300m, and MODIS is 500m), but better spectral and temporal sampling.

      In other words, the stuff often available from the very high resolution sensors is mostly equivalent to aerial photography (albeit from a bit higher up than your normal plane): RGB and a panchromatic image. In the case of MERIS and MODIS (and NOAA's AVHRR, Landsat, etc) you do get the extra spectral information which helps to improve classifications and do all sorts of funky other things. GLOBCOVER thus needs to be compared with stuff like this rather than with photogrammetric maps.

      I believe that, politically, GLOBCOVER is just an ESA posterboy to show MERIS off. While MERIS is a nice instrument (very nice indeed), it's just an improved MODIS, and ESA seems worried that few people are making operational use of MERIS. This has a number of reasons. In many cases, environmental monitoring and modelling communities are encumbered by the lack of high level products (they are given a set of images and told: try your best to estimate the fraction of photosynthetically absorbed radiation). MODIS solves this by actually making these interesting measurement available.

      That was a bit of a rant, wasn't it?

    15. Re:'hello mum' by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Trust me, naked Californias are just as ugly as naked people on the rest of the planet. Even in Hollywood. It's all done with mirrors, digital editing, makeup, etc.

    16. Re:'hello mum' by Begossi · · Score: 1

      One excellent idea. Specially considering that you can use a fake (and safer) picture to advertise your idea to your neighbours, but have the roof panels actually composing the goatse masterpiece.
      Imagine, you'll become a neighbourhood legend when the final result appears on ESA's website.

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    17. Re:'hello mum' by Seehund · · Score: 1

      According to TFA, 20 TB is the amount of data that will be analysed to create the 17 GB (or whatever) mosaic image. Most places have been photographed more than once.

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    18. Re:'hello mum' by sootman · · Score: 1

      A bit rant-y, but good info regardless. Thanks!

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    19. Re:'hello mum' by rikkards · · Score: 1

      That's the real culture shock of moving to Cali. That they all look like everyone else.

    20. Re:'hello mum' by birge · · Score: 1
      And it's also time to send out notice to the Californians: no more nude sunbathing.

      Please. RTFA. The resolution is 300 m. The only nude sunbather who could be spotted in CA is maybe an excited Tommy Lee.

    21. Re:'hello mum' by iamanatom · · Score: 1

      There's no ' in Doh.

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  2. Medium? by brianmf · · Score: 5, Funny

    The image acquisition will be done throughout 2005 and use the Medium Resolution Imaging Spectrometer (MERIS) instrument of the Envisat environmental satellite.

    Surely the High Resolution Imaging Spectrometer would be more appropriate?

    1. Re:Medium? by yotto · · Score: 2, Funny

      They're saving that one for the next pass, so they don't have to jump to something stupid sounding like UltraWideBand for the third pass.

    2. Re:Medium? by nacturation · · Score: 1

      Dare you question their technology? That's HERISy!

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  3. MERIS by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Funny
    The image acquisition will be done throughout 2005 and use the Medium Resolution Imaging Spectrometer (MERIS) instrument of the Envisat environmental satellite

    Niles will be happy to hear she's orbiting the planet...

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    1. Re:MERIS by inject_hotmail.com · · Score: 1

      Niles will be happy to hear she's orbiting the planet...

      Apparently we'll have a brand new moon in orbit...I don't want to be around when her orbit decays...something tells me she won't break up completely.

      What a second...what are we talking about now?

      Inject.

  4. First thing we're all looking for ... by SamSeaborn · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can see my house!

    1. Re:First thing we're all looking for ... by OmegaGeek · · Score: 1

      And I left the light on in the kitchen. Thanks to technology, I'll never have to wonder again!

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    2. Re:First thing we're all looking for ... by erikaaboe · · Score: 1

      Or "Whose car is that in my driveway?!?"

    3. Re:First thing we're all looking for ... by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

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      I can see my house!

      (This text added so that my fantastic comment can get through this fantastic filter.)

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    4. Re:First thing we're all looking for ... by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      Hey! I can see my pixel from here!

    5. Re:First thing we're all looking for ... by daveo0331 · · Score: 1

      Area 51, of course. Since it's Europe doing this, they won't be worried about blurring it out.

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    6. Re:First thing we're all looking for ... by HD+Webdev · · Score: 1

      I can see my house!

      And, who is that guy with my girlfriend?

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    7. Re:First thing we're all looking for ... by krayfx · · Score: 1

      ...and now to switch the damn thing off. i am on the other coast, days aways from california. my girlfriends' mum's pretty crossed with me for taking her girl for a ride :), my best friend has gone out for his honeymoon, my neighbours are hostile, can't ask my boss or collegeaues - i lied to come over here. dang! this technology doesnt change a thing!

    8. Re:First thing we're all looking for ... by mshiltonj · · Score: 1

      I think I see me Dad. Shit. The son of a bitch is down there somewhere.

      Name the movie.

    9. Re:First thing we're all looking for ... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 1



      Ferris Bueller's Day Off

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  5. Oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    shit... better throw a tarp over my missles...

    1. Re:Oh by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1

      Kim, is that you?

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  6. Google it up! by Keck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now when this is incorporated into maps.google.com I'll be even happier..

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    1. Re:Google it up! by Janitha · · Score: 1

      Live sat imagery feeds is what I am really waiting for. (or at least more frequent scans)

    2. Re:Google it up! by Uruk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And what about Area 51, the Green Zone in Baghdad, and all of the nifty places on the earth that we don't typically get to see via satellite photos?

      How do they filter those images out, anyway? These satellites have much better views than the typical U2 spy plane - is this a tacit agreement between defense and the satellite operating company, or does the defense department get a crack at the images before they're released to the public?

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    3. Re:Google it up! by pixelite · · Score: 1

      google already has sattelite images integrated.

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    4. Re:Google it up! by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      Umm... I hate to bust your conspiracy bubble, but...

      http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001511.html

      Area 51 isn't filtered.

    5. Re:Google it up! by kebes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For those who don't know: the images that google makes available at maps.google.com are not the best they have access to. Google bought Keyhole and shortly thereafter launched google maps. However, anyone who did a keyhole free trial knows that the keyhole database had very high resolution images of the whole planet. What you see in google maps is about half the resolution that keyhole has. Not only that, but keyhole had imagery for the whole planet.

      My point is that google is not limited in what it has available. Obviously they are releasing lower rez images for google maps (and charging for the keyhole service for professionals that need the higher rez), and it's also taking them some time to get google maps working for other parts of the world. But they already have access to a very extensive database (although possibly there are some licensing issues?).

    6. Re:Google it up! by loraksus · · Score: 1

      Thats what they want you to think!

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    7. Re:Google it up! by mbessey · · Score: 1

      "Area 51 isn't filtered"

      Of course, that's just what they WANT you to think...

    8. Re:Google it up! by ajs · · Score: 1

      I don't know anyone involved, but I woudl expect that anyone with sufficient resources (read: major governments) can find out who owns what satellites, and where they are and will be at what times. Based on that you should be able to determine when they will be in a position to see anything useful, and just not leave your bleeping dead aliens lying out in the sun then.

      The U.S. federal government also had a strangle-hold on most earth-observing for quite some time, so it's possible that no one got an eye in the sky until very recently that didn't clear their data through "proper channels". This is not really a matter of "conspiracy", so much as just common sense. You don't give up tactical advantages like being the only ones who can see everything without a fair amount of kicking and screaming.

    9. Re:Google it up! by zdzichu · · Score: 1

      And what about Area 51

      Area 51

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    10. Re:Google it up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      U2 has a spy plane?

    11. Re:Google it up! by fafalone · · Score: 1

      Who doesn't get to see them via satellite photos?

      115d47m30sWx37d16m30sN
      Brings Area 51 right up on Google maps, an old photo at limited resolution. But other satellite services have published better images, see: http://www.fas.org/irp/overhead/groom.htm

      We all know the really good stuff is underground, and the odds of a classified plane being on the runways is pretty slim. Especially when the companies publish when they'll be collecting images. So no, there's no real supression of commercial satellite images going on.

    12. Re:Google it up! by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 1

      Hey, I found today's Canadian poster!

    13. Re:Google it up! by ErikZ · · Score: 1

      Better than a U2 plane?

      How the heck would you know?

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  7. Typo? by broothal · · Score: 1

    acquiring images with a spatial resolution of 300 metres

    Surely the resolution will be better than 300 m, or am I missing something?

    1. Re:Typo? by convolvatron · · Score: 1

      even cm wouldn't make it 'high resolution'. mm anyone?

    2. Re:Typo? by wowbagger · · Score: 3, Informative

      You are missing something.

      The resolution of this bird is 300 meters, in many more wavelengths than just visible - multiple longband IR, optical, synthetic apeture millimeter radar.

      It's like the difference between a 1920x1080 one bit per pixel image and a 640x480 Truecolor image.

    3. Re:Typo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Clear as mud. Thanks for obfuscating that up.

  8. I don't understand by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 4, Informative
    The image data for World Wind is based on a publicly-available global 30 meter resolution mosaic made from Landsat imagery. This satellite making this map is said to have 300 meter resolution. Wouldn't that make it much worse?

    (BTW, I *highly* recommend checking out World Wind if you haven't seen it. It is one of the most awesome programs ever to exist, bar none.)

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    1. Re:I don't understand by aliquis · · Score: 1

      If you would have read the article and looked at the comparision image you would see the resulting image is better. See for yourself here

    2. Re:I don't understand by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Can I change my mind? It was "clearer" but might not be more detailed, just from a place which have been more developed the last years. I should have looked closer, anyway, there is an example image ;)

    3. Re:I don't understand by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1
      Landsat images infrared bands as well, not just visible ones. In fact World Wind includes a false-color global mosaic which I suspect uses the Landsat infrared bands.

      I think I have figured out what they mean, though. They claim the sharpest ever *map*, not image. I guess that means they are going to be creating a map of the globe with zones classified into different land cover types, something like this, not necessarily a global image. However the line between a "map" and a "false color image" is being blurred here. That makes their press release rather misleading; far higher resolution global image data already exists and can be downloaded for free.

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    4. Re:I don't understand by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nope, sorry. World Wind's Landsat data covers the entire globe at 30 meter resolution, not just the US.

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    5. Re:I don't understand by Kphrak · · Score: 4, Informative

      (BTW, I *highly* recommend checking out World Wind if you haven't seen it. It is one of the most awesome programs ever to exist, bar none.)

      Unless you're running a non-Microsoft operating system. Guess I'll have to wait until I get home.

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    6. Re:I don't understand by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1

      True. And though it is open source, it uses DirectX instead of OpenGL which means that it likely won't be ported to Linux anytime soon. It might or might not run under WineX.

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    7. Re:I don't understand by mobets · · Score: 2, Informative

      And here is NASA's Bittorent link for it.

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  9. The Earth's Flat by zeromemory · · Score: 1

    It's true! Just look here.

    Let's hope a vessel doesn't go too far west of North America.

  10. Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Will I be able to see the titties around the world's pools and beaches? If not, it all seems like a bit of a waste.

    1. Re:Yes, but... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Only if they are over 300 meters large. With Google, they only have to be more than 2.5 meters. If you find a woman whose breasts show up on satellite photos, I'd sure like to meet her...

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    2. Re:Yes, but... by sammy+baby · · Score: 1

      Why?

      Up to a certain point, large breasts are entertaining. But at that scale, they're not good for much unless you plan to cover them in snow and ski down them.

      "Dude, you should've seen it. Stan got wicked air off Nipple Peak, but fractured his collarbone landing on the Z-cup slope."

  11. okay.. by derxob · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I better cover up my illegal plants..

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  12. I want my planet! by Renegade+Lisp · · Score: 5, Informative
    That looks all very well, but if you dig a little deeper into that site, you'll come across the page where ESA describes its licensing terms. This data is only gonna be given to (a) scientists who are deemed serious by ESA, and who will report twice a year about their findings, and (b) to commercial users at "market rates".

    Well but isn't this data for which I've paid with my tax euros already? Why does the public who financed it not get free access to that data?

    While we're at it, can other Slashdotters perhaps point to links of freely available satellite imagery? Is there any kind of systematic coverage of the planet we live on which is freely available to everyone who does happen to live here?

    1. Re:I want my planet! by kidgenius · · Score: 1

      Someone else already linked up to World Wind from NASA. I had never heard of that, but I have played around with the Blue Marble stuff before (which you can get to from World Wind)

    2. Re:I want my planet! by d-Orb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You see, I work with data from both ESA and NASA for Earth Observation. And many of the people of the communities which would be served by these data are annoyed by the attitude. The way NASA works is to produce a number of products for scientific and research based work, and chuck'em into some web site. You go and download. ESA, on the other hand, requires you to write a proposal, which is peer reviewed and blah blah blah. Eventually, they send you a bunch of CDs with the data you didn't want, 2 years later than expected and to an address in Italy when you wanted them in the UK (personal experience). They claim the peer review stage and proposal submission help to show decision makers (politicos) in member states the useful and brilliant things people do with the technology they invested their cash on. The result is an infrautilisation of the ESA data, or it's very limited use in research environments.

      On the other hand, NASA gives the data away, people download it, piss about with it for a few days, and from time to time, you get businesses using it, people realising they can get a paper out of it... Essentially, it gets used.

      To be fair with ESA, they are making efforts to streamline the processes, but management seems to work that way. Due to its transnational nature, ESA is a bit like the EU: no country wants to pay in, but everybody wants subsidies, contracts... ESA is just the same, which is sad. A far stronger scientific presence at the top would greatly improve things...

    3. Re:I want my planet! by VanillaCoke420 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Exactly. They should release all data for free, since it's paid for by the people. They should do it not only because it's the right thing to do, but also because they would get more respect and their popularity would go up. ESA is terrible as PR and informing the public. I bet more Europeans know more about NASA's projects than those of ESA.

    4. Re:I want my planet! by birge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      European governments keep themselves busy by making everything as difficult as humanly possible. It's either that, or cause a world war every few years. I applaud this decision.

    5. Re:I want my planet! by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      also iirc esa images are only free for non-commercial use wheras nasa images are public domain

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  13. How Much for a Copy? by kidgenius · · Score: 1

    Now, the real question will be how much ESA will want for a copy of this map, or portions of it.

  14. Sharpest Map? by NightWulf · · Score: 2, Funny

    "The image acquisition will be done throughout 2005 and use the Medium Resolution Imaging Spectrometer" So if they want to create the sharpest map, wouldn't it be best to use the High Resolution Imaging Spectrometer? Duh....

    1. Re:Sharpest Map? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      beayse the high resolution imaging spectrometer would give you an ultraviolet-albedo image of the earth, similarly the low-resolution one would give you a heat dispersal map on of the earth.

      resolution means more than pixels in 95% of scientific applications.

  15. Globetrotting@Home, anyone? by P0ldy · · Score: 1

    "To create this sharp map, the GLOBCOVER project will analyze about 20 terabytes of data gathered by the European satellite." How long is that going to take?

  16. Is this nitpicking? by Vila,+Bob · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The estimate is that up to 20 terabytes of imagery will be needed to mosaic together the final worldwide GLOBCOVER map - an amount of data equivalent to the contents of 20 million books.

    Why do writers insist on making these kind of useless comparisons? Is there any research that indicates the average book contains the equivalent of one megabyte of data? Especially one megabyte of imagery? Will this really help a layperson quantify a terabyte?

    This just in: The human brain is capable of storing an amount of data equivalent to 68 quintillion index cards.

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    1. Re:Is this nitpicking? by Otter · · Score: 1
      I think you're overnerding this a bit. The analogy is between storage capacity for the images and the number of characters in a book, and it's intended to give a sense of order of magnitude. It's not intended to be a comparison of file formats.

      That said, I don't quite get how they get 20. A typical novel has roughly 50,000 words, for, say, 250,000 characters. It's not clear to me how analogizing characters to either bits or bytes gets you to a megabyte book.

  17. So... by dfn5 · · Score: 3, Funny
    acquiring images with a spatial resolution of 300 metres

    So the most important question is how big does my sign have to be?

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    1. Re:So... by KFury · · Score: 1

      how big does my sign have to be?

      This big (0.95km tall)

  18. Re:vegetation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    That area without the trees...it's called the ocean.

  19. 240 bits per pixel = lots'o'data by G4from128k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    MERIS grabs data in up to 15 spectral bands with 16 bits per band per pixel. Its only has a 1/2 megapixel imager (842 x 691), but the RAW images are 17.5 MB.

    Multispectral data is great for identifying ground cover (e.g, classifying the types of plants, health of plants, minerals, etc. on the ground). Sometimes, it's more valuable to know the materials on the ground than to see the geometric detail.

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    1. Re:240 bits per pixel = lots'o'data by hurfy · · Score: 1

      So they can make Flight Sim 2004 have swampy swamps?

      cool

      hehe my 1st thought of higher res pictures was a 20GB update for fs2004.

      Current multispectral stuff is more than 300m? Interesting, it would miss entire steams, even rivers and stuff.

  20. publicy available? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It'd be great if I could download freely the maps. I know, it's a huge effort, but so are my efforts when I work and pay my taxes.....

  21. Messages to my Faves. by triso · · Score: 1

    Great! I plan on burning a few messasges for my favorite politicians into the field behind my house. When do they pass over Waddington, NY?

  22. Get Nasa WorldWind by quark007 · · Score: 3, Informative

    You could download Nasa Worldwind software for free.
    There are some issues with Landsat7 data, but hopefully they will get fixed soon.
    Its awsome piece of software! offers 7m resolution globally and offers 1m resolution for USA.
    On the other hand, ESA has always been stingy in giving access to data. It took them a while to release Titan images; as opposed to Nasa who makes them available almost instanteneously.
    I guess thats the difference between the cultures!

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    1. Re:Get Nasa WorldWind by Renegade+Lisp · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Thanks for that reply.

      You could download Nasa Worldwind software for free.

      Doesn't run on free operating systems though... Doesn't let you even look at the source code. But I still applaud NASA for such a great project. That's really the right spirit -- well almost :-).

      On the other hand, ESA has always been stingy in giving access to data. It took them a while to release Titan images; as opposed to Nasa who makes them available almost instanteneously.
      I guess thats the difference between the cultures!

      Looks like it. But surely, that's a difference between space-organisation cultures, not so much society in general. Europe tends to be very free-software friendly these days -- rather more so than the US. Makes it even more sad that ESA doesn't really seem to get it.

    2. Re:Get Nasa WorldWind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      In my experience, ESA's problem isn't that they're stingy with data, they're just incompetant when it comes to timely data distribution. They have problems getting data even to the people who DO pay for it. The Envisat mission has been plagued by this since day one.

    3. Re:Get Nasa WorldWind by mav[LAG] · · Score: 4, Informative

      Doesn't let you even look at the source code.

      No, you'll have to download it yourself and fire up your favourite text editor to do that.

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    4. Re:Get Nasa WorldWind by Renegade+Lisp · · Score: 1

      Ahh, sorry, I stand corrected. Thanks for pointing this out. The source code is indeed there. I had just missed it when I glanced over the page the first time.

  23. Awright, you geeks... by McBainLives · · Score: 1

    No- and I mean *NO* nude sunbathing for any of y'all until 2006. We just can't afford to take the chance.

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    1. Re:Awright, you geeks... by nietsch · · Score: 1

      why not, they would upset the whitebalance on that thing?

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  24. Re:vegetation by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful


    The fact is, there is more vegetation on the planet now than there was 100 years ago

    I call bullshit.

    State your references or admit you're pulling 'facts' out of your ass.

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  25. and now for the obligatory... by TurboBling · · Score: 1

    I, for one, welcome our new gloabal mapping overlords.

    1. Re:and now for the obligatory... by tofucubes · · Score: 1

      these "new gloabal mapping overlords" are being funded and run by the old european overlords (governments) and yes they got the money out of europeans' pockets

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  26. Could this mean ... by zdzichu · · Score: 1

    Google Maps Europe at last?

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  27. "Sharp" maps, huh, Roland? by MoralHazard · · Score: 1

    It's a sharp map, you said? Sharper than the sharpiest sharp map ever made sharply of a sharp?

    How about "higher resolution?" Or are you actually talking about a map that I can cut myself with?

    Because honestly, Roland... your prose make me want to cut myself. And I stopped that in high school.

  28. 300m 15-bands... great for analysis, not pictures by PenguinOpus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Reading the article, it really is 300m/pixel. This is 400x lower resolution than the 15m Landsat data that is available as a basemap in Keyhole, Google Maps, and other providers.

    The reason this data is interesting is its 15-band nature and the amount of analysis and extraction that can be done from it.

    For pretty pictures, there are plenty of better sources.

  29. 300m resolution by green+pizza · · Score: 1

    And what about Area 51, the Green Zone in Baghdad, and all of the nifty places on the earth that we don't typically get to see via satellite photos?

    At 300 meter per pixel resolution, you're not going to see many details anyway.

  30. Google maps fanboys, have no fear... by jeffmeden · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is a huge difference between the 'google maps' visual coverage, and this, which is a 'earth surface condition map'. For one, the resolution here is pathetic compared to that of the 'google maps', but it has a completely different goal. It is intended to show details about land, instead of whether or not someone mowed a 'hi mom' message into their lawn. Move along, you won't be seeing that any time soon.

  31. Multispectral images and "unmixing" low-res pixels by G4from128k · · Score: 2, Informative

    Current multispectral stuff is more than 300m? Interesting, it would miss entire steams, even rivers and stuff.

    Good point and that seems plausible, but is not entirely true. With a good pixel-mixing analysis you can resolve stuff inside the pixel. The key is having a clean spectral model for the terrain versus water and being able to say that a given pixel looks like its 90% trees and 10% fresh water. "Unmix" enough pixels and you can string them together to find streams smaller than 300 m wide that cross an expanse of forest or grass-land. A string of 10% water pixels in a 300 m resolution image is probably a 30 meter-wide stream. Moreover, the plants around water often different substantially from the plants in the drier surrounding areas -- making it even easily to infer the existence of creeks that are far smaller than the resolution limit.

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  32. uh... by briancnorton · · Score: 1

    How is 300 Meters sharper than the 15m NaturalVue data set from earthsat?

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  33. Land surface only... by Bnderan · · Score: 1

    What about mapping the sea surface? This just adds more fuel to the argument that Europeans are biased in favor of land.

  34. Re:vegetation by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure about world-wide, but it is true for North America.

    The total amount of large-tree standing timber in the US has increased by 30% since 1950. US forestlands covered 732 million acres in 1920; today they cover 747 million acres.

  35. Ha ha! by MarkByers · · Score: 1

    we're pumping the atmosphere full of food and [the vegetation is] growing like mad trying to eat it all..

    Very funny post :)

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  36. Re:vegetation by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 2, Insightful



    US forestlands covered 732 million acres in 1920; today they cover 747 million acres.

    A gain of 15 million acres over 85 years.

    Roughly 176,471 acres gained a year.

    Meanwhile, worldwide, we are losing rainforests to the tune of 1.5 acres per second.

    That works out to 47,336,400 acres lost a year...more than 268 times the rate forestlands are growing in the U.S.

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  37. RTFA dumbasses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Holly Crap People RTFA, and if you don't understand TFA then STFU!

    This is not imagary for you to be able to spot yourself fingering,mooning or otherwise exposing yourself to the sattelite. It is a Land Cover map, meaning it will be used for classifications . . ie, Forest, urban, Prairie, Water etc. The reason such a teribly poor, crappy, worse than google maps resolution is used, is becuase if you havew a very fine resolution, classification becomes difficult. In a city, for instance, every tree would become forest, even if right next to a house. Some degree of homogeneity is needed in the image to make classification meaningful. It will be a useful project, maybe not for stupid /.ers that compare everything to google, but for real scientists. K, I'm done venting now.

  38. Why is this news now? by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 1
    Other than yet another Roland ad, what is the point of this story being on /.? We're geeks -- we want to see the pictures! What, no maps to show yet? Write us when you have the pics to show.

    Seriously, are we going to help create the maps? No. Are we going to be able to provide assistance in any way? No. Is there anything to see yet? No. So why not post a story once the maps are out?

    1. Re:Why is this news now? by greppy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Note there are no direct links to Rolands site in the article. Unless it's been edited between your viewing and mine. A gesture to temper the baying mob?

  39. Wrong calculation by photonic · · Score: 2, Informative

    You got your calculation wrong because you don't get the operating principle of the MERIS instrument. It is not a half megapixel ordinary camera that with some magic collects 15*16 bit per pixel (e.g. by taking 15 images in close succession with a changing filter wheel).

    As the page on MERIS says, it is a 'pushbroom imaging spectrometer'. 'Pushbroom' means that instead of a rectangular field of view like a normal camera, it has a line-shaped field of view. An image is formed by continuously observing the single line and wait for the the satellite to 'sweep' the whole planet. 'Imaging spectrograph' means that the previously mentioned line is spectrally separated (with a prism or a grating) perpendicular to the line. You then get an image on your CCD where one direction corresponds to the distance along the line and the other is formed by the different colors.

    The optics details of the system are here, an description of the CCD is here. If I understand it correctly, one line is 740 pixels wide and the colors are 'binned' in 15 different spectral bands. That gives you 740*15*2=22200 bytes per line. How much that would be per picture depends on the height of the image, which depends on how long you collect data. In principle you could have it sweep the whole planet non-stop.

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  40. Re:I better... by FoXDie · · Score: 1

    I better (Insert totally witty action here) (Insert hilariously unpredictable object here)!

  41. Re:vegetation by starman97 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That number does not make a distinction between old-growth forest which is bio-diverse and mono-culture treefarms which have very limited habitat for anything but genetically-engineered fast growth pine trees.

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  42. Cool. by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1

    Heh, why not also analyze traffic patterns and see exactly which roads get crowded and when, and by doing this over a period of several years, find patterns related to various things, like which day of the week it is, what time it is, what holidays are going on in various parts of the social, political, and religious world, and other such things. Then, combine all this information into a computer program that allows drivers to pick the best possible route for their drive, and continue adding realtime information from the satellite into the system on a daily basis. Cool.

    1. Re:Cool. by inject_hotmail.com · · Score: 1

      Heh, why not also analyze traffic patterns and see exactly which roads get crowded and when, and by doing this over a period of several years...

      Excellent idea...but I think if all the roads are packed during rush hours (like they are here, in T.), all we'll have is a bunch of pretty datum to look at while we are sitting traffic.

      Honestly, I'd buy into real-time sat analysed traffic reports...it would be MUCH better than the 30-60 minute lag on useless traffic reports on the radio.

      Inject.

  43. This is great! by Attila · · Score: 1

    Soon I'll no longer have to use the mirrors at Blockbuster to look down women's tops.

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  44. Equivalent to how many atlases? by atom_pheer · · Score: 1

    How many atlases would fit into 20 terabytes?
    If an atlas has 200 A4 pages,
    each being 96,9375 square inches,
    fulfilled with maps at 600 dpi,
    32 bits per dot,
    and one dot is 4 bytes;
    then one page is 140 megabytes,
    that multiplied with 200 equals 28 gigabytes.
    Then 20 terabytes equals to 20000/28 = 714 unique true-color atlases.

  45. ok... where are all you privacy nuts? by fitten · · Score: 1

    The privacy nuts that frequent this board think this is cool but will complain when they see a camera watching the floor of a store?

  46. Question is... by inject_hotmail.com · · Score: 1

    Can I read the license plate off the car of my ex-g/f's new b/f when it's sitting in her driveway?

    Inject.

  47. Re:vegetation by N8F8 · · Score: 1

    Maybe he was referring to this trend?

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  48. Re:vegetation by NaruVonWilkins · · Score: 1

    Mod this up! This is exactly the problem.

  49. How about remote places? by mnmn · · Score: 1

    Most satellite maps have high detail pictures of american and european cities, and very low resolution of remote villages in afghanistan and the gobi desert. I wonder if this image will really map all of the world's surface.

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  50. Re:vegetation by ErikZ · · Score: 1

    Unless you want the US to invade Brazil and force them to stop, I don't see why you're bringing this up.

    Unless the US has been hiding it's mighty amazon rain forest from the world.

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  51. Google by mgbaron · · Score: 1

    Will I see this on google maps by 2006?

  52. Really ? by eeykay · · Score: 1

    CARTOSTAT sent by India this week has a capability to take photographs with resolution of 2.5 mts.

  53. This has been proven to work by nounderscores · · Score: 1

    By the brave folks of The Harvard Pep Squad!

  54. Re:uh... = About Remote Sensing... by RandomRob · · Score: 1

    Clearing up a couple of confusions seen above.... First, there are (at least) three types of resolution in remote sensing: spatial, spectral, and temporal. In other words, how small a thing can you see, how much 'color' information can you see, and how often can you see, any one area. Color is actually a misleading term here because many of the 'things' that a sensor sees are not visible to the human eye. Spatial Resolution: The best spaceborne non-military platforms are now at .5m pixel resolution. That means you can see the shadow of a person on a bright day, can get a good view of a large building, can map streets and traffic, and so on. There are military systems that are in the sub-10cm range and there are persistant rumours of systems in the 1-2cm range using adaptive optics. Spectral Resolution: First, most sensors look at fairly narrow wavelength ranges. This means that a sensor seeing 'red' isn't seeing all of what YOU would call red, it's seeing a slice of that. Most sensors are themed - they are built so see wavelengths that allow fairly easy discrimination between natural features in one subject area. Landsat has (mostly) bands for discrimination of healthy and unhealthy vegetation from soil, rock, and water - it was originally a 'biomapping' satellite. One rock mapping band was added so it is somewhat useful for rock discrimination too. You can always add more bands to a satellite, but this dramatically increases download time, and many modern satellites are essentially limited by the power and time to download what they see: a high spatial resolution, high spectral resolution satellite would spend lots of time just downloading. If a satellite has a few bands (up to say 20... no real rule here) it is called multispectral. If it has one 'all spectra together in one grey image' band that is called a panchromatic sensor. If it has a lot of bands (... more than 20) in one sensor that is called hyperspectral. As you add bands, download time increases and calibration sensitivity problems get severe. Most hyperspectral systems currently used are airborne. There are also active satellites - these transmit radiation and then wait for the 'echo.' Canada's RADARSAT is an example. The Shuttle Radar Topography Mission (SRTM) is another example of an active system based on RADAR. The 'cutting edge' in active systems right now is in LIDAR - laser ranging for 3d - but these are pretty much airborne at the moment, though this will undoubtably change. Temporal resolution means 'how often do you see the same area.' Some satellites are in stationary orbits - they look at the same thing all day - and some are in orbits that have return periods. Some are mildly steerable (pointable, for example) and can do oblique views for 3d. Landsat, for example, only sees the same area every few weeks (can't remember the return period to be honest....) whereas lots of weather sats just sit in one place. So.... depending on what you mean by resolution, and especially depending on what you are looking at, different sats are useful. Finally (... will he ever shut up ...) once you have a 'scene' for an area there is a huge amount that can be accomplished with image processing, including sharping, fusing with other types of imagery, construction of 3d views, .... So.... the point of this EU initiative is to have a medium spatial resolution, medium-to-fairly-high spectral resolution image of a large area, calibrated properly so that image processing (e.g. to identify health in crops) is meaningful across the entire composite scene, so scientific studies can be done... ... RandomRob

  55. That research was actually done by billstewart · · Score: 1

    The Berkeley-Iowa Naked People Finder project by Margaret Fleck and David Forsyth in ~1996 was fairly good at deciding whether pictures had naked people in them or not. (They also did a G-rated version that looked for horses.)

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  56. It's the AMERICAN way. by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    The image acquisition will be done throughout 2005 and use the Medium Resolution Imaging Spectrometer (MERIS)

    Maybe it's just me, but if I wanted to make the "Sharpest Ever Global Earth Map," I'd use a High Resolution Imaging Spectrometer. Or maybe this is about job security, ensuring they can do it all over again next year. Ah, mediocraty.

    Somebody needs to tell the ESA that doing a half-assed job is the American way, damnit.