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Halo 2 World Tourney Finals - Aussie Champ's View
Remorhaz writes "Some of you may be aware that the finals of the Worldwide Halo 2 tourney over Xbox Live was held on Friday night (10th June) with the 24 Xbox Live Region winners duking it out for ultimate glory. I was there with Cabel (the Australian representative), his brother and Pidge from Microsoft Australia to play the finals - Cabel made it to the grand final round - but didn't take first place unfortunately (congrats to King Tuur from the Netherlands) - but he's done us Aussies extremely proud :) Here's Remorhaz' "writeup of an insider's view of Australia's Halo 2 representative - Cabel's progress to the finals and the night's events at Australian Microsoft HQ."
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I know somebody who knows one of the players on the team! How cool does that make me?
I've heard somewhere that these things can be screwed with because of the programming foundation of the game. Is it true that certain players may be able to somehow take advantage of the game without anyone noticing?
Aye, but sometimes 'wasteful' diversions like that make life worth living.
I've long since been burned out on the incessant stream of racial, sexual, and downright lame spoutings of the usual "gamers" in every online game no matter what the genre.
It really is a nice sight to see what real gamers around the world can come together for actual GAMING
Hats off to you guys.
There is truth in humor.
Halo2 is impossible to beat multiplayer. It's crammed with 10 year olds who have some sort of unnatural advantage over me. I empty whole clips at them, and they kill me with 1 or 2 shots. What is it, does wireless have lag?
Not sure if you were serious in your post but you complain that he could have worked for the US military. How would that be good for humanity? And the cop out blaming games/music/movies for death is just crap anyway. Blame you cousins lack of supervision and not a game. Hell the games have warning labels on them for people like you...
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In true /. form, i haven't RTFA. An aussie fights the final against a dutch guy, the dutch guy wins, and the article is done with the looser (just kidding! loser)?
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Western society is obsessed with progress, to the point of neglecting happiness.
"It is not how things are in the world that is mystical, but that it exists." -Ludwig Wittgenstein
I had this great idea for a glove-type of controller. It would allow for quicker movement (especially with caffeine).
It's so bad.
ok first off, doom 3 has been out for some time, not to mention its recently released expansion pack, so that leads me to beleave this is a re-post by a troll of another thread. anyway ill still take the time (because im bored and find this post comidicly innacurate). First John Carmack (not Jon Carmack) has had a major role in coding fod ID software, he had nothing to do with the development of Unreal (by epic games) or duke nukem (also by epic games i beleave). The shooters at Columbine which every body points to when referencing how violent and bad videogames are hadpre meditated the killings (for those trolls out there, this means they planned them!) and playing violent games like doom was mearly ment as a "practice run" not that it would have dont much good, as most these games pit you aganst demons from hell, not Danny from third period. As far as target practice, i do not see how playing a video game can improve that by itself, as there is no recoil from a mouse, you do not hold the mouse in the same way you hold a gun, nor do you get any expirence aiming with the "targeting" system in all FPS's, no the killers at columbine had access to real guns, and were practicing with them long in advance of the killings. And if you want to blaim their psycho killings on the video game industry, who not blaim the paint ball industry aswell, that is a more realistic and less seperated form of "killing" people. Or for that matter the gun industry who made the guns which the kids used? or even the school system for not having metal detectors, or the cops or their parents for not checking out their weird behavior leading upto the day of the shooting. The fact is that the role violent games played in that incident (if any) is no more than the roll the teachers played for not asking more questions. Hell the bullies who pushed these kids over the edge are more to blaim than the games they played.Now as to your cousin who "became catatonic" after losing a death match, not only do i not beleave it (and if it is true it wasnt the game that caused it, it would have been a chemical in balence in the brain that caused obsessive cumpulsive tendencies, in which case you are as much at fault as the game is for not picking up on this and trying to get him help), but im willing to say if your not making it up, its more your fault or whoever was with him or closest to him for not stopping him or trying to get him help. anyway i dont know why im replying to this AC troll, i guess just because i havent seen a good responce to posts like this in the past so ill take the time to respond as best i can.
Noone writes jokes in base 13!
Playing a first person shooter with a joystick is analogous to driving a car with your buttcheeks.
I've played PC games for over half my life and I still can't grasp controlling a FPS on a console. I'm sure any awards that were given out were well deserved.
Some of you may be aware that the finals of the Worldwide Halo 2 tourney over Xbox Live was held on Friday
Oh of course, loads of us. There was a world wide Rise of the Triad competition the other day too.
Timothy, don't turn into a Michael and put stupid shit like this on the front page.
1) Out of mousemat error. Sooner or later, your going run out of mousemat when your turning and will have to lift the mouse back onto the pad to continue. Meaning you'll simply stop turning while your doing this. On a DJC, you just tilt the right analouge stick right or left for continuous turning.
That's silly. Any experienced gamer uses a large mousepad and sets the sensitivity so that moving to the left or right edge of the pad == 180 degree turn. It's common sense. No lifting of the mouse is necessary. If it is, then the sensitivity is not set correctly.
2) Out of fingers error. With a keyboard and mouse, you aim with the mouse, meaning one hand, and all its fingers, can only access, 2-3 buttons.(Scrollwheels help with this a lot though) Usually these are shoot,change weapon and other. Meanwhile your other fingers, usually 2-3, are stuck on WASD for moving. If you want to crouch, reload, zoom, jump or perhaps change weapon reverse, you will need to do some keyboard gymnastics, look down, or (horror of horrors) stop moving to press other buttons. On a DJC, one thumb is used for movement, the other for aiming. Flipper pads mean four buttons are easily reachable by two more fingers, and the dpad and other buttons are acessable by a nimble other if required. Bottom line. You can keep moving while you perform on the fly weapon maitainance. DJC has a lot more buffer space for out of fingers errors.
Again silly. Good gamers don't usually use WASD. It's not the natural typing position and limits the number of keys that can be used without moving the hand. Gamers that need a lot of keys use ESDF because they never have to look at the keyboard because there's usually a divit on the F key to keep the person from losing position. Using the home typing position, 28 keys are available without moving the left hand out of standard typing postion.
3) Mouse Error, Error. Most comupter mice are fairly cheap anyaway. Mice get junk in the wheels. Even optical mice glitch from time to time. Buttons sometimes get stuck, and of course hands may slip or be jostled from time to time. The average DJC is of a higher quaility than the average mouse and suffers far less from any of these problems.
meh, I don't want to bite on that hook.
4) Keyboard limitations Open up a text editor. Press and hold E. Without letting go hold C. Now while holding, tap U. See the problem? Now try W,D and E. E will not register. Try WAQ. There are umpteen other combinations. Keyboards can't handle many multiple keydown combinations. DJC can.
More trolling. Cheap keyboards only register 3 keys pressed at one time. You know that. Spending more than $15USD more often than not gets a keyboard that can handle more than 3 keys at at time.
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A number of guys that made it to the finals boosted their way there. You can check some of the match histories for the gamertags and see the boosting that's happened.
Kinda ruins the whole thing when you can't trust that the people who should have been at the top actually were.
"You know your god is man-made when he hates all the same people you do."
Yeah, but you would end up bunny hopping around like a maniac, and everyone would know what you were doing, you sick puppy!
Seriously.
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I 100% agree with you.
A keyboard + mouse is 10x better than a silly x-box controller for FPS games.
More accurate, faster, better ability for custom controls, and just all around better.
I use a nice mouse and keyboard... but quite honestly I'd take a $10 mouse and $10 keyboard for a FPS over an $80 x-box controller anyday.
1.) With a high sensativity you can still aim perfectly and you won't run out of mousemat. Winner: Keyboard and Mouse
2.) Not counting my movement, fire, and primary fire buttons: I have 5 more buttons on my mouse, a scroll wheel, and probebly 3-5 that I can easily reach on my keyboard. That is considerably more than an X-box controller.
Winner: Keyboard and Mouse
3.) I have never had an optical mouse 'stick' or 'glitch' during a game, ever. I have had a PS controller, a PS-2 controller, and an x-box controller have controller issues (loss of sensativity).
Winner: Keyboard and Mouse
4.) Spend more than $10 on a keyboard and you don't have this problem.
Winner: Tie
So lets look at the 'keyboard/mouse weaknesses' that were pointed out, and see who came out on top.
Keyboard and Mouse: 3
X-box controller: 0
It's pretty obvious to me which is better... and unless you've got some bias in favor of the x-box then it should be obvious to you as well.
Any experienced gamer uses a large mousepad and sets the sensitivity so that moving to the left or right edge of the pad == 180 degree turn. It's common sense. No lifting of the mouse is necessary. If it is, then the sensitivity is not set correctly.
I would be interested to know how you turn more than 180 degrees without lifting the mouse, for example while circle-strafing.
A Day in the Life of an International Halo 2 Tournament - Cabel vs. the World!!!
An insiders view of Australias Halo 2 representative - Cabel's progress to the finals.
The scene was set - it was the day of the World Halo 2 Xbox Live Championship Finals. The 24 Xbox Live Region champions had been decided and it was game on for the final series.
This was the worlds first global Xbox Live Halo 2 tournament and the final series was being decided by a playoff on Xbox Live. The global championship rounds were played on Friday June 10th in double elimination rounds. The 24 regional winners were sectioned into four pools of six players each. The top three moved on to the next round, while the bottom three from each group moved into an elimination bracket. Once a regional champion lost twice, they were eliminated. Each round lasted 10 minutes with unlimited kills. All the final matches were played on the new Halo 2 map, Warlock as a Free For All Slayer with standard SMG spawn (what! no BR you say ).
More info at: http://www.xbox.com/halo2/tournament.htm
Earlier in April; Cabel had beaten out a very strong field (including his brother who almost snaked the win ) in a close fought FFA at the BigPond Halo 2 Tournament to be crowned the Australian champ and our representative on the world stage.
I arrived at Microsoft Australia's Headquarters at about 6:45PM with the trusty 'XboxZone Com AU' server in hand. We had thought that given our location in the world that we needed every advantage we could get to overcome the tyranny of distance (or network latency LAG for you simple folks ). Cabel may be playing on the 10Mbit link at MS HQ but nothing compensates for the 200ms delay to most other countries. I offered my server Xbox for Cabel to play on for the night - it was hoped that since this Xbox has been hosting Halo 2 games pretty much non stop 24x7 since early January on a 100Mbit link that its awesome Halo 2 host record/rating (300+ clan matches, 1500+ Big Team Battles, 2000+ large custom games, etc) could steal it host in some important games. Alas it wasn't to be so - each of the finals matches was hosted by a Referee (XboxLiveCommish the guy in white hiding in the corner ) at MS HQ in the states - I suspect Bungie rigged things up so he'd always be host for every round - which is fair I guess with no player getting direct host advantage.
Cabel and his brother Senyo were already there with Pidge and Kumar from Microsoft and after a bit of networking jiggery pokery it was practice time before the first game at 9PM.
It was then Pizza ordering time and since we had to plan ahead for a long night (if we made it to the finals they wouldn't be played till 5AM - so think positive and plan to be needing food for the long haul ). Senyo got to order a crapload of pizzas for the four of us on Microsoft's account - nice
In the first round Cabel's pool included:
ii CaBeL ii - Australia
l Kobegod l - Taiwan
Otcho Boy - Switzerland
ZpiKeY - Norway
Billykater - Austria
GermanFreak - Denmark
Pregame chat in the lobby was pretty friendly and discovering that GermanFreak was in fact NOT from Germany but from Denmark was a bit of a head spin - but hey - whatever makes you happy
Cabel had a slow start but picked up the pace as he went along to eventually catch the leader just at the end equaling on Kills but taking the win on Assists and lower deaths.
Full game stats at: http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStats.aspx?gameID= 201030311
Our next round wasn't till midnight so it was going to be a long 3 hour wait - time for some practice, customs and a bit of matchmaking.
Cabel and his brother Senyo also whittled away the hours with some head to head and double teams on the fast link at Microsoft - I couldn't believe how many people quit the games against them or worse tho
Or at least it sure seems to be.
Any experienced gamer uses a large mousepad
As a fairly experienced (and ranked in UT at one time in 2001) gamer, I can tell you that any gamer worth his tag uses a trackball. There is nothing better for FPS. The control you get from one by simply moving your fingers is far superior than what you'll ever get by moving even just your wrist, never mind the whole arm.
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agreed, I remember reading words very simlar to this before.... I can't find another posting with them tho.
I've never used WASD. I just place my hand on the keyboard like normal: ASDF[SPACE].
I now have... six keys I can reach with little to no stretch with my little finger without letting off of the movement buttons. Of course, I don't strafe in two directions at the same time, so that leaves at least one additional finger to press a myriad of buttons at all times as well. Plus my fingers don't feel squished into a tiny arrow key configuration.
I'm not a professional gamer and rarely play anymore, but I've always felt that to be way more intuitive than the arrow key configuration.
I fed it but then again, I was Trolling the Trolls back when A.S.T was in it's infancy so it's more hungry than it was before I posted.
There are plenty of trackball players that I personally know that are well matched up with mouse players.
I didn't mention it because the Bridge Fellow was talking about mice and I have been a mouser since the Doom mouse patch (IIRC, v1.2).
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You sir just rocked my world.
;)
I was about to say "THATS CRAZY TALK" when it came to shunning WASD, but when you mentioned the divit on the F key, sure enough I look down, and there it is. I'll be using ESDF now I think
I've played against / with kids who are much better than these guys. It's a shame they don't pay enough attention in the gaming world to partake in such a competition.
:)
Perhaps there's not enough exposure or perhaps MLG is their calling. In either case, I really wouldn't consider these guys the best of the best... or even that close
It's been posted before as can confirm a quick search on Google:
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I would be interested to know how you turn more than 180 degrees without lifting the mouse, for example while circle-strafing.
I don't circle-strafe in the same direction for very long. Otherwise, I'd be dead because of my being predictable.
Keep 'em guessing.
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Holy crap, that chick on the tigerdirect.com banner that's up on my screen now is freaky. Refresh slashdot a few times till you get the banner and see what I'm talking about. She so wants to eat your face!
Tourney means to compete in a tournament , it's is not a short form for tournament .
"Halo 2 World to compete in a tournament finals-Aussie Champ's view"
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Haha. Therapy for six months... for catatonic stupor induced by (note the quotes) losing a "death match".
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Hhehehehehahahahah pure comedy gold. Can't you people recognize sarcasm?
oh FUCK you sure trolled that troll
replying to every one of his troll bullet points with a detail explanation as to why his troll is wrong sure shut him up
I've never seen such an utter destruction of a troll
I bet your asshole is nice and loose considering how often your head must be up it
*sigh*
Mind you, I'd had the nickname inflicted on me before pokemon.
Gamers that need a lot of keys use ESDF because they never have to look at the keyboard because there's usually a divit on the F key to keep the person from losing position.
And I thought itw as just me and Thresh who used ESDF for movement in FPSes(although I've never met him, or played him, an article he wrote on keyboard/mousing got me into using the mouse)...
Everytime I see the default setup for an FPS, it's always WASD. What the fuck is up with that?
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Great, more moderation abuse on Slashdot. You know, just because you don't agree with something, doesn't mean it has to be censored. Funny how this is on the same day with a discussion criticising Microsoft for censoring things in China.
I actually agree with it, mouse and keyboard are horrible. You need about thirty fingers to manage to play it. With consoles you can concentrate on playing the game rather than obsessing over the controls. Also you get to play with normal people rather than obessesive gamers who spend 30 hours a day practicing, and the other 5 configuring the keyboard/mouse to give them optimal speed/accuracy. It just a game people!
Also in online play the keyboard is used more often than not to spout racist/sexist abuse to other players.
Carmack could have been working for NASA or the US military, but instead he simply sits around coding violent computer games.
Oh, but he was working for the government. He just didn't know it. If I recall correctly, various violent video games are used by the military as traning devices. I know it's an argument usually used by anti-violence folks, but in this case it just blows a hole in part of an argument, so.... all good, right?
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I knew my keyboard well enough that I didn't need a "divit" to orient my fingers. Come on. A good piano player doesn't need a "divit" to find keys on the piano.
However as you were suggesting, a keyboard and mouse does have many advantages over a standard console control. Simply put, the console controllers aren't made with buttons that can be used by 8 or more fingers. Keyboards and 5,6,7-button mice leave you wishing you had extra fingers to issue more commands.
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Damn it why do people always give these lower class Australians so much print space? These dolts couldn't tell their arse from their elbow - it's OK, you don't have to pretend you didn't notice anything unusual about them, in the name of not offending your friends in Freedom & Democracy around the world. That's how it works here. We have lower class whites, and lots of them. Please ignore them, and don't embarrass the rest of us by trying to be accommodating when they air their tabloid, trailer-trash views!
Sorry for being so extreme but a lot of people really need to learn this, even if it may not have been completely relevant this time.
Keyboards and 5,6,7-button mice leave you wishing you had extra fingers to issue more commands.
That's why shifting over to the right one key feeds that wish. With WASD, your pinky can move to the left without you moving your whole hand. And, that pinky is then hanging over empty space when it could be used for more key presses (informational binds to alert teammates about {whatever} for example).
Come on. A good piano player doesn't need a "divit" to find keys on the piano.
Yes, but if you changed the notes that played when he hit keys he'd have a slight hinderance to his playing. People who type very well do so because they use the home row position. To then have them switch to something else for playing games doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
The default WASD is a throw-back to DOOM when many keys were not necessary. It won't go away in the foreseeable future.
Also, I was not implying that WASD players weren't as good. OTOH, those WASD players could open up more possibilities if they shifted one key to the right and used the extra keys they'd then have readily available.
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replying to every one of his troll bullet points with a detail explanation as to why his troll is wrong sure shut him up
No, the moderation system took care of that.
Correcting misinformation from Trolls is a good idea, especially when it is disguised as 'very informative' on a user moderated web forum.
By highlighting such information from a Troll (at least on Slashdot), you give moderators much more of an idea of what to do even if they aren't experts on the matter being discussed. Moderators didn't even need to be gamers at all to see the stark contrast of that post compared to the replies.
The Troll was not moderated down as one until a while after others posted a general disagreement with what the Troll said.
BTW: Welcome to Slashdot where the Trolls are pistol-whipped into submission.
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The most important thing to me is this:
-Can you play from four bed or couch?
Keyb/Mouse: Hell, No!
Control Pad: Yes, of course.
Control pad = absolute winner.
I type very well (up to 100 WPM with no errors), and I have never used the home row position. My hands are usally around a, w, r, g, space, and k, semicolon, apostrophe, and shift. Not that my hands are always on those keys, which they hardly are.
No existe.
Using a joypad you take 2 seconds to do a 180, with a mouse it's under 0.2 - of course you can't compete.
Shouldn't you be able to press in on the aiming stick (assuming ps2 style L3/R3 buttons) to do a 180 degree turn?
Everytime I see the default setup for an FPS, it's always WASD. What ... is up with that?
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Awww, lifo-fifo's troll piece got owned, and to boost their already low self-esteem they have to post this drivel.
People love to point holes in flawed troll pieces, and you would be jerking off about your post whether or not someone replied to it.
Your troll failed, maybe you can do something else with your pathetic excuse for a life instead of posting these replies talking about you pent up sexual frustrations and homosexual fantasies.
Yeah, but you would end up bunny hopping around like a maniac
What's so bad about Jazz Jackrabbit again?
Actually in multiplayer Auto Aim is disabled.
Again silly. Good gamers don't usually use WASD. It's not the natural typing position and limits the number of keys that can be used without moving the hand. Gamers that need a lot of keys use ESDF because they never have to look at the keyboard because there's usually a divit on the F key to keep the person from losing position. Using the home typing position, 28 keys are available without moving the left hand out of standard typing postion.
I'm an ex QuakeWorld TeamFortress junkie trying to find my way in Halo2 on XBox Live, and the other thing i miss about PC FPS games was the scripting. Being able to create a custom zoom script with 2 or 3 levels of zoom, then bind that to a button was awesome.
Also, this might sound a little excessive, but for the grenades, me and a friend timed out to the 100th of a second how long it took a grenade to explode once the pin was pulled, made a wav file that played the "ding" sound from ICQ 2 times spaced out at correct intervals, then played out the "uh-oh" sound from ICQ when the grenade blew. We then created a script for grenade throwing that played this sound before 'priming' the grenade. In QuakeWorld TeamFortress, the game let you hold a grenade as long as you wanted after you 'primed' it, even to the point of it exploding in your hand. So this timer we made let us hold on to the grenade, then time our throw so that it exploded right when it got to the opponent. Great stuff.
What would have happened if Albert Einstein had worked creating amazing pinball games instead of creating the theory of relativity?
I bet the man could've made some damn fine pinball machines, which could have led to many happy hours of pinball.
But since he didn't go with the pinball thing, he instead contributed to the development of nuclear weapons. Which do you suppose brings more joy to the world?
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