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Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (r0a) Quick Tour
linuxbeta writes "At OSDir there's a tour of the fixed Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (r0a) release. After 3 years we finally get to have a look at the new Debian, including their new installer. Release notes. Only occasionally does this new release differ from Ubuntu."
I thought Linux was still at v2.6.xx?
Aw, now, the best thing you can come up with is Spanish? This is Debian - curse it out in Esperanto! It's not like you haven't had time to come up with something.
After 3 years we finally get to have a look...
Mod me troll, but how many GUI's have I seen that look exactly like that?
There is truth in humor.
Only occasionally does this new release differ from Ubuntu.
As a casual linux user, I see that Ubuntu is much more 'non-geek' friendly than Debian. That is probably the biggest difference.
Also, take a look at the Unofficial starter guide.. http://ubuntuguide.org/. This is exactly why users like me are flocking to Ubuntu.
If there is a comparable guide to Debian, I am not aware of it... or havent found it yet.
Because I don't like paying for software, yet I don't really want to warez everything. Linux is a programmer's system, as far as I am concerned, so it makes sense that there are more Free programs for it. For games, I still use windows. For me, it is always the best tool for the job which gets used.
No, just first idiot!
It says so here. Looks like they have a lot of translations already. Cool.
It still looks like Linux...
Oh my god! You said Linsux! How incredibly witty! Just in case you ever need anything else to say...
Winblows!
Yes, that's right, I went there.
In conclusion, grow up and realize that saying 'Linsux' does not make you look intelligent or witty.
Interesting to see Debian finally ditched KDE. Why should anyone use this over Ubuntu?
Why is Debian so behind the ball on this? Sure, its target market might not be desktop users, but it will never gain *any* marketshare in that area with that horrible installer and the GUI that looks like shit. How did these guys let themselves get so far behind everybody else?
Fix your bot. It's thrashing.
Ah, these installer screenshots bring back memories... of RedHat's installer... from 8 years ago.
It used to be Debian was the distro you used when you wanted a minimal system with guarenteed security patches. It was the "reliable" server distro.
In the last 5 years the distro's availabile have expanded. Want a reliable server? - use Suse, want the latest and greatest of everything? - use Gentoo. Want a nice stable reliable desktop - use Ubutu.
What exactly does this new release of Debian offer besides retro-linux creds?
After 3 years they really should have bumped the number more than that.
GETPKG - Package Management for Slackware
Heh heh. You know, sometimes I wish we all could take a step back and see the humor in saying things like:
After 3 years we finally get to have a look at the new Debian.
And then link to a picture of an empty desktop that looks like everyone else's Gnome. No wonder lay people don't care about what we care about.
Kinda worries me they didn't switch over. Maybe they will with the next release in 3 years.
Warty was the god of distributions at the time. I (and most I think) was awed by how robust and simple it was. So when warty finally went gold I was anxious to try it out. I am now back to using warty at least a few more months. I hope the next release will be better, but given all these changes being made I don't have a lot of faith in that happening.
I wish there had been a "warty point five" release where they kept the old (and reasonably well performing) X system and the old fam (which, ironically, had finally been fixed to pretty robust operation just weeks before warty came out using the newfangled and terribly misbehaving gam) and updated nautilus and firefox and gaim and gimp.
Ubuntu was the best and may still be for "non geeks" but warty has enough problems that any non geek who experiences any of the very common problems it has is likely to be overhwlemed by it before they even get past the initial login screen.
Why is my screen stuck at 640x480?
Why is there no sound?
Why is the sound out of sync in all my videos?
Why can't I unmount my encrypted hard drive space?
Why can't I rename files in nautilus?
These are the sort of very simple problems few had with warty and everyone seems to have with hoary and the "solutions" are often difficult or impossible to find and the descriptions of the repairs pretty geeky when found. I truly wish the devs the best, but I hope these changes aren't all too ambitious to meet the next release date.
Does anyone have any experience using Debian on PA-RISC machines? I currently have an HP P9000 running an older version of HP-UX. Would it be possible to replace it with Debian? Would I be able to use the newer X.org X11 implementation?
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
"It used to be
Are you saying that it is not anymore? It seems rock solid to me. The only time it is ever rebooted is to install a new kernel.
Again, are you saying that Debian is NOT a reliable server? I have 6 Debian boxes and they seem stable and reliable.
Ummm, Ubuntu is based off of Debian.
You left off "recovery CD" which would be Knoppix (again, based off of Debian).
The same thing that Debian has always offered, reliability and stability.
Just because you can find OTHER distributions that have similar features does not mean that Debian lacks those features.
Unless you can show that Debian is less stable/reliable than SuSE, then all you are doing is complaining that different people make different choices in which distribution they run. And how does that rate "insightful"?
The best thing about Debian is that the best things about Debian can be copied. My favorite distro is Conectiva, because they connected apt-get to rpm. You can have the Red Hat installer with the Debian updating system.
good. Having used Sarge for about a year on both desktop and server, and having a few years prior experience on the desktop with other distros (mostly Suse, some earlier Mandrake, a bit of bonzai, Mepis, Knoppix) I still consider myself a newbie. Not a programmer, not a guru.
Been waiting & waiting & waiting for Sarge to go stable, my poor excuse for not implementing Sarge more widespread. I think the biggest suprise after updating/upgrading nearly every day is that as soon as stable was announced and my installs turned into stable from Sarge all on their own, the biggest surprise is there is nothing to upgrade. What a relief! It's been a bit of a task to keep after each install to make sure they stay updated to ensure the latest security patches are installed. And taking a look at the portscans and hits on port 22 I'm seeing on the servers, it's been a little worrying to stay after everything. Now that stable is here, maybe I can relax just a bit and start thinking about trying to get a mail server up and running.
The problems? Had to have someone walk me through creating my own "devices" when they weren't created on their own, don't know why. Lost my mouse on several different machines at just about the same time. Now making coasters on CD-R's while CD-RW's appear to burn ok, both burning knoppix isos. Are the CD & CDRW SCSI with 2.6.x or are they ATAPI? If ATAPI, why am I getting error messages when attempting to enable dma? If SCSI, why does the docs and warning messages in k3b talk about ATAPI instead, with SCSI being broken in 2.6.x? Googled and looked around all I could, still can't figure out how to get my CD burner working correctly. Can't get smartmontools or whatever it is called to work, so don't know temp/fan speed. Can't get raidtools working with my raid card. So don't know if/when a drive dies on me, or when hot spare dies on me, until it is too late or until the next time I boot in a few months from now.
Other problems? Sarge installed a generic 386 kernel I think, instead of one for my AMD cpu. Now I have to figure out how to upgrade a kernel even though I planned to stick with the stable one Sarge gave me, 2.6.8-2-386.
Wishes? Yast on Debian. So I can more easily configure OpenLDAP. Tried without Yast, didn't work. I had someone point out that there is an effort to port Yast to Debian. Hope it happens soon. Would also help with controlling which services startup after a reboot. Right now trying to figure out how to get snmptrapd to start after a reboot instead of snpmd. Pgadmin3 backported to Sarge. Other backports made available asap. Postgres 8.x.x maybe? NX maybe?
Good things? Lots. Too many to mention. Not too many to thank, so thanks Debian developers and package maintainers. Thanks to your work to make the latest and greatest even better. A lot of credit should go to the work behind the installer. I tried my installations some 3 months and more past. It is far better than earlier versions. The only real issue is having to create devices. Which is really a non-trivial thing until you know how to do it. Definitely not for a newbie.
Keep up the good work Debian developers. And let's all hope the crew can stick to the 1 year deadline for Etch.
I mean, it wont be long before the new release of Ubuntu, Breezy, is out officially. I'm already using it with little trouble. It is going to have TONS of new improvements, most notably the new Gnome. I can't see how Debian is going to keep up the rapid pace of Ubuntu releases at this rate.
You know, there is actually an alternative to stealing software that isn't free...
Come on now.. I've been usign Sarge for at least the last year without any problems. Not to mention I use the so-caleld unstable branch of packages and such. No problems..
What is your penile percentile?
"Only occasionally does this new release differ from Ubuntu."
Duh. Wouldn't it rather be appropriate to put it the other way round?...
All my comments get moderated +-0, spotless.
I am a Debian junkie. Recently I had to switch over to Redhat due to the fact that Debian was not certified to run Oracle (which doesnt run on any system whether its certified or not). How do you Redhat people update your systems??? Up2date, rpm (lots of man pages later), tar balls If anyone knows a good Debian to Redhat doc then I would be a happier sysadm, until then give me apt-get dpkg and a 100% up2date working system.
To everyone his/her own distro!!! But Debian is still the best one around. Cheers to the Debian crew, all +1000 of them.
If I recall correctly, in expert mode the installer will ask if you wish to configure manually instead of DHCP-ing prior to actually doing any configuration. Might be a little easier than the disable_dhcp parameter.
(Personally I have a dhcp3 server running on the network, handing out IPs based on MAC addresses, so my machines get configured fully in that DHCP step, including correct hostname, unless I've changed the network card and failed to update the records)
I wouldn't be surprised if all of this talk about Ubuntu replacing Debian as the "end user" distribution becomes true. However, if it does, it would only be due to a self-fulfilling prophesy. Debian itself is a very good distro for a new user or an experienced one. It was a first distro I ever installed (piece of cake), and it is still the one I prefer today. I personally feel that Debian has a future as much more than just a base for other distros.
im not sure i get the apeal of ubuntu , other then is't ugly gnome theme what does it have that debian doesn't ?
Only occasionally does this new release differ from Ubuntu. I am a Ubuntu fan, but let's keep things in perspective here. There are about a zillion more packages available for Debian than there are for Ubuntu. You have a hell of a lot more options about how you want your system to run with Debian than you do with Ubuntu.
Think about it this way: How much cash do you have on you right now? $50? $100? $1.19? Whatever the case, I'll give you two choices. You can either give it to me, or keep it for yourself. Which do you choose?
i hope this miracle release from debian will keep the ubuntu folks from straying too far from the original core... it's nice when all your apps just work(tm)
Get your torrents...
I don't want to hear any of your horseshit about how Windows does work, because you know damn well that you need a couple of friends helping you on how to get it installed and running.
Read and then talk.
>Linux is not user-friendly.
It _is_ user-friendly. It is not ignorant-friendly and idiot-friendly.
Let me disagree slightly with Ubuntu being "non-geek friendly". Granted, its installer was easier, and there are little tweaks to make the system more usable (some aren't particularly effective as that, like the butchering of spatial nautilus in hoary hedgedhog). And of course, was more up to date. So I used to recommand it to people without broadband, that couldn't pull debian testing from the net.
However, in "non-geek friendlyness", there is still a lot of progress that needs to be made. Most of the configuration helpers are the default gnome ones, and they aren't too great. In particular category, Mandrake is bells and whistles above Ubuntu. Even if it cannot claim the polish that debian-based distros are characterized with.
There are about a zillion more packages available for Debian than there are for Ubuntu.
No, there aren't. The list of packages that are not in the Ubuntu "universe" repo (essentially a snapshot of stuff in Debian Unstable) and that are in Debian is extremely short. I don't have real first hand knowledge but I would expect it to be less than 100 packages. Anyone know the exact figure? Or is it zero?
Save your wrists today - switch to Dvorak
That's true, there's definately work still to be done.
The hardware clock says the time is now Sat 11 Jun 2005 10:32:00 AM UTC
Is the hardware clock set to GMT?
(Yes)
(No)
(Missing option)
Fuck you and your forced learning opportunity.
It can be so much simpler and fool proof. Just let me select my location first and you try and check an ntp server, if that fails you can ask me local time, which I can read of any random nearby clock without making conversion errors.
apt-get install gnome-themes-extras
See the librsvg site for screenshots.
zWhat would an EWOULDBLOCK block, if an EWOULDBLOCK could block would? -- me
- to partition the hard disk in accordance to my requests, occasionally
- find the install CD it started from when trying to read packages
- to mount the install target as
/target
- after manually adding
/target, to find and install grub
, leaving the system in a half-baked state. The only way to get it to sarge state was installing something earlier and then dist-upgrade it. Before the official release, I successfully installed a number of boxen with sarge beta. Now this utter failure...I have been a Debian fan since Hamm (Debian 2.0), and it always convinced me to be one of the best distribution flavours, even though there were some glitches and problems. But this time, the release quality is so way way below even the beta release state, it really puts me off. Some person suggested the release team obviously never did a clean test install with the release version...
I know the Debian crowd will not drop a single tear because of my whining, and right they are, since I could have offered my help with testing etc. But still.... WHY?!
"Only occasionally does this new release differ from Ubuntu."
Debian. Linux for human beings who don't mind waiting.
After 3 years we finally get to have a look at the new Debian
Yeah, 'cause the Debian development is generally so hidden from view. No way they'd let you try the new installer before the release.
That the new installer forces you to format your drive? I can understand it wanting you to format one partition for the root filesystem, but you have to wipe your entire partition table or you can't get past the partition dialog.
Not for me there isn't. I will pay, usually, up to $50 dollars for a game or other piece of software. If I can't get a reasonable alternative for free. I'm 16, and I can tell you that I would much rather have a car, and use the GIMP, than have Photoshop (legally) and walk.
There is an excellent project called zen linux that is based on debian. www.zenlinux.org
What makes it very special is that it isn't just based on debain but it *is* debian, as in, fully compatible with debian. Compatibily with repositories etc... It just has a far nicer installer and the ability to boot live.
I wish others, such as ubuntu etc, woul track with and work with Debian more closely. having seperate repositories is the biggest problem around.
Maybe just have the sub distro track time when "unstable" is in a very good state, and make a release based on it. Zen has a zen -upgrade command that does something similar, upgrading to the version of every package specified by zen, but doing it from debian repositories.
It is a wonderful system, and although very early in development, it already works amazingly well.
It also has automatic remastering, which means yo can change it in any way, and make a new installer cd using the "zen -remaster" command as root. Then you just burn the iso.
I started contributing once I realized what a great thing that was. Zen could use your help. Maybe with some community support, Zen could even become an official part of debian.
Twitter, you're a petulant cock-gobbling sycophant to Linux Torvaldyos! Quit taking DP from ESR and RMS's feculent cocks and why don't you try to stop sucking quite so much? Get out of your parents' basement and see the real world - maybe then you'll see how pathetic you sound, with your neverending stream of bullshit about how Microsoft is stalking you. Wasn't it you who said that Microsoft believes your insane ranting is actually a threat to them, so they PAY PEOPLE to reply to you on Slashdot? No sir, I don't get any money. I do it for the love. Someone has to go up against your paranoid whining. So get back in your cage and shut the fuck up already.