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Optimus Keyboard With OLED Display Keys

Koskun writes "What appears to be a Russian design company has on their website a keyboard in which the keys are using OLED to display what function the keys represent. The product is Art. Lebedev Studio's Optimus Keyboard. The uses of this could be amazing. They have pictures of layouts for Photoshop and Quake, as well as a QWERTY and Russian. Here's hoping that this will make it to a production model and not just a design model."

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  1. Good Idea, Bad Price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

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    It's not even a "design model". It's a "rendered model". Sweet concept. You'd spend a bloody fortune on 116 individual color OLED displays - in several sizes - and all the circuitry, interfacing, and drivers to run them. I see that they are Macintosh fans, though.

    1. Re:Good Idea, Bad Price by Gnascher · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a great idea ... but utterly fake.

      These guys are digital artists ... not keyboard manufacturers.

      It's a really neat idea, and one that may even some day be created. I'd imagine that it would be prohibitively expensive to do today though.

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    2. Re:Good Idea, Bad Price by zev1983 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I also was thinking about this, but only a few months ago. The thing is you'd have to have wires going up into every single key to have each one light up individually like that, which would seem like a pain in the ass to mass manufacture at an affordable price. Although there's probably a better method that uses some sort of connection that connects when you clip on th key, I don't really know much about this type of stuff. But if you were able to mass manufacture the keys with that printable OLED tech I've heard about it just might make it. It would be cool to see this in ergonimic designs like the ones from kinesis-ergo.com. I'd buy one of those with the picture keys and try out all the different ergomic keyboard layouts I keep hearing about on /.

      You could have a bunch of other nifty, eye candy features in it, like being able to display pictures, or even motion over the whole keyboard if refresh was fast enough, though displaying a big picture would be the easiest. I would love to have an EQ going on my keyboard synced to music, that would really spruce up my desk!

      Also as an added bonus you can finally have a Breasts Key!

    3. Re:Good Idea, Bad Price by Otter · · Score: 4, Interesting
      They do seem to make some real stuff, some of which is pretty sweet looking. (Although $125 for a whitebaord with a clock in the middle is a bit over my budget.)

      At any rate, I'm pleased to see people catching on that the keyboard isn't real, especially after the 1000 post argument a few days ago over a joke about executing virus writers...

    4. Re:Good Idea, Bad Price by drgonzo59 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Yeah but still they can get the patent on it first then they can start thinking about production. That is why it is just a design studio not a hardware company. I am sure this would look interesting to people at Alienware or Belkin or even Microsoft. It is good for games, would be great for an IDE, or Photoshop and many other uses.

      Actually I just thought of another idea, why not use the keyboard as a small console display as well. This could be used as a portable console in administering and fixing rack-mounted servers. The keyboard can have a small screen that will show about 10-20 lines of a terminal and also the keys would dynamically change to reflect various connection and management functions. For example after pressing "F1" the layout of the keyboard changes and now the keys to reflect a new submenu. If the key is not pressed but just slightly touched the console will display a short help message.

      This would be one expensive keyboard but people who have the money to blow might be interested...

    5. Re:Good Idea, Bad Price by moonbender · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, if only LCD/OLEDs weren't so heavy, they sure would be useful to have on mobile devices...

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    6. Re:Good Idea, Bad Price by Talking+Goat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Seems like you'd be better off making a flat keyboard, a la ST:TNG. OLED is flexible, so you could actually produce a single sheet, with indentations behind it that give a "flex". So, you get around the 100+ tiny OLEDS problem by now using a single OLED, and you also get something out of your flat input device that no one has been able to accomplish: tactile feedback.

      Plus, you can operate OLED in "lit" mode or plain LCD mode, giving you functionality in a wide range of ambient light situations.

      Let's go into production, damn it!

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    7. Re:Good Idea, Bad Price by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 3, Funny

      You could use it on mobile devices.

      But it'd require a harness. :)

    8. Re:Good Idea, Bad Price by Paladin128 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Spoken like a person who doesn't type much.

      Tactile feel is everything. That's why I insist on spending extra on old-fashioned clicky keyboards. A laptop keyboard alone is enough to have my fingers hurting after just a couple hours of typing. I can do 12 hours straight on my Unicomp Customizer 101 -- the buckling-spring recoil is much better for your fingers, and actually increases the speed you type. Type on a completely flat surface for a couple hours a day, and you'll develop RSI faster than you can say "shiny".

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    9. Re:Good Idea, Bad Price by xinit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why does it always have to be like Star Trek? That interface system is awful; nothing like the tactile response of a glass screen.

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    10. Re:Good Idea, Bad Price by geschild · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And suddenly you are well on your way to an early version of the LCARS interface ;)

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    11. Re:Good Idea, Bad Price by raarky · · Score: 3, Insightful

      try thinking outside the box for a moment. Who says the displays inside the keys have to move with the key. You could simply have the outside transparent shell push down around the display which would be flush mounted on circuit board.

  2. Optimus Keyboard? by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Funny

    A prime idea, that.

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    1. Re:Optimus Keyboard? by JoshRosenbaum · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't think there's a "+1 Transformer's Reference", but if there was, I'd give it to ya. ;)

    2. Re:Optimus Keyboard? by sik0fewl · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wonder if it autobotically transforms the keyboard for whatever application is active.

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    3. Re:Optimus Keyboard? by GoodNicsTken · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just think, with a little programming to group keys, you could have porn on screen and on the keyboard at the same time.

    4. Re:Optimus Keyboard? by minus_273 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You should also note that when this keyboard transforms, large parts materialize out of nowhere and then disappear when it transforms back. The designers havent been able to explain why that is.

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    5. Re:Optimus Keyboard? by Takara · · Score: 3, Funny

      Woosh.

    6. Re:Optimus Keyboard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      And I wonder what would happen if you sent a Star Wars lightsaber through a Star Trek transporter.

      That's easy. The demolecularization of the focusing crystal in the lightsaber would cause the dilithium crystals to destabilize causing a power surge that destroys the primary transporter matrix. This would of course leave Picard and two anonymous security officers stranded on the planet just as they are being chased by a Borg army with the Borg Queen and Darth Vader at the lead. Back on enterprise, Riker has ordered the transporter system repaired. While several anonymous engineers suffered massive facial burns from consoles exploding, they are able to bring the transporters online by reconfiguring an EPS conduit to draw power from the tertiary backup to the auxiliary antimatter storage system. Meanwhile back on the planet, the two security officers have been assimilated while being force choked but they have helped Picard destroy half the Borg army. Just as Picard is surrounded with the Queen begging for Locutus, the enterprise launches a spread of photon torpedoes in a delta pattern into the Borg army while simultaneously beaming Picard back on board. As the torpedoes tear through the Borg army, Vader screams "NOOOOOOOO!"

      ... duh.

  3. a couple of questions before buying by yagu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wow! Looked at the pictures, very attractive!

    So, eye-candy aside:

    • Is it reliable (how many keystrokes is it designed for lifetime?)?
    • Is it comfortable, is the key travel and feel well done?
    • (for me), Is it reasonably quiet? (I'd really like to find a nice silent keyboard, but at least it has to be about 20 db quieter than the monolith I'm banging away on right now (at a friend's house).)
    • last, but for me most importantly, are the pretty pictures on the left-hand column of keys configurable? There's no way in Hell I'm ever buying a keyboard with a picture of the IE icon on one of its keys! For less expensive keyboards I satisfied and content with ripping out the Microsoft menu keys (though it's landed me in hot water at work a couple of times), but for something this (probably) expensive, those pictures had better be configurable!
    1. Re:a couple of questions before buying by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Interesting

      (for me), Is it reasonably quiet?

      All quiet keyboards I've ever had always turned out to be utter crap. Right now, I'm banging away on a IBM Modem M keyboard that is still doing fine after years of typing (obviously) but also coffee spilling (hot and cold), heavy banging, hurling across the room, and sitting on. Some of the heavily used keys are so worn out that the plastic surface feels smooth and the etching has gone, but it's still doing fine. These things sure were made to last.

      I've long since forgotten about the incredible racket noises it makes. My cat loves the feel and clicks when he stretches on it though, apparently.

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    2. Re:a couple of questions before buying by snorklewacker · · Score: 4, Funny

      > last, but for me most importantly, are the pretty pictures on the left-hand column of keys configurable?

      No. After all, the whole point of a super-expensive keyboard with keys that can dynamically change their labels is to hardwire their function in. It was just cheaper to use an OLED display than to silkscreen them on.

      You even rip off the MS menu keys on your work PC? Just ... wow.

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    3. Re:a couple of questions before buying by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Interesting
      last, but for me most importantly, are the pretty pictures on the left-hand column of keys configurable? There's no way in Hell I'm ever buying a keyboard with a picture of the IE icon on one of its keys! For less expensive keyboards I satisfied and content with ripping out the Microsoft menu keys (though it's landed me in hot water at work a couple of times), but for something this (probably) expensive, those pictures had better be configurable!

      I gte the distinct impression that since the keys are displayed graphically, you're seeing a sample they contrived.

      For instance, I suspect most users wouldn't need a donkey icon on a daily basis, and it too would be a waste of space.

      (And as to the Windows menu key, I find it easier to just disable it and leave it in -- a sa sloppy, non-home-row typist, it's far more nuisance than it ever will be help.)
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    4. Re:a couple of questions before buying by Adrilla · · Score: 2, Interesting

      These guys are obviously big mac fans. Itunes, quicktime, plus if you look at the mouse that's designed for a mac. But I'd love this for photoshop and music programs. The big problems being having the program manufacturers map out programs for such a rare keyboard (assuming it ever made it to the public).

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    5. Re:a couple of questions before buying by The_Wilschon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hey, those keys could be very nice for desktop switching. Some WM's and desktop pagers will put a miniature view of each desktop on the pager... now we can move that off the screen and onto keyboard, saving even more valuable screen space! I think it's a great idea.

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    6. Re:a couple of questions before buying by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You even rip off the MS menu keys on your work PC?

      Damn right I do!

      That gap between Alt and Ctrl was left there for a reason. I HATE it when my pinky is a little to the left or right of where it should be, and the result is that Windows steals away focus from whatever window I'm using and gives it to the Start menu.

    7. Re:a couple of questions before buying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
      "Some of the heavily used keys are so worn out that the plastic surface feels smooth and the etching has gone"

      The BBC Micro had injection moulded keys with the glyphs running right through the key. After ten years the keys were smooth but still as legible as the day it was bought. A lovely keyboard.

  4. Get these into our highschools NOW! by Seumas · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since all of our jobs are being outsourced to other countries, this keyboard will be perfect for public schools where they will need to teach children to function in the wonderful world of order-taking at fast food restaurants on those nifty little picture-only cash-registers..

  5. Virtual Keyboards == LCARS? by bc90021 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It will be handier and handier to have virtual keyboards, and in fact, they obviously already exist.

    However, soon enough, as with other inventions, it just may be that we get a glass panel in front of us, and the display/input conforms to the user and his/her function, instead of the other way around. ;)

    1. Re:Virtual Keyboards == LCARS? by soundofthemoon · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you read Sternbach and Okuda's tech manual for the Enterprise-D, you'll find the LCARS terminals have an interface that includes not only dynamically shifting graphics but tactile feedback as well. All the soft button graphics and okudagrams are fronted by low-power force fields that let the user touch type, feeling the buttons by sense of touch and getting tactile feedback for button presses, slider movement, etc.

    2. Re:Virtual Keyboards == LCARS? by stephenry · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your confusing Star Trek with reality...

  6. Licensing/Implications? by shadowknot · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If anyone reading works for Logitech or some other big peripheral manufacturer please let your R&D department know about this and maybe they can license the design and technology from the good people at art.lebedev.

    But seriously this technology could have huge implications for the future of peripheral manufacturing (on the high-end at least) purely because you can have it as QWERTY, AZERTY, DVORAK or any other english, arabic, cyrillic, sanscrit, klingon or other layout!

    For the cheapskates there's always Das Keyboard!

    1. Re:Licensing/Implications? by MynockGuano · · Score: 2, Informative

      Technology? As far as I can tell, these are just pure concept renderings, with the "Patents Pending" referring to the idea and design, not the actual function. Notice how almost everything else on the site has a date attached to indicate when the product will be available for consumption. Not so with this one.

  7. FlickerKey by el_jake · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can't wait to watch my favorit divx on the Windoze key !

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  8. Viruses will have a field day! by garcia · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cool, not only could viruses switch what appears on your screen when you type you could also wake up and find a huge picture of goatse on your keyboard.

  9. geez... by JoeLinux · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll bet you the latest spyware would get the ability to run banner ads through the keyboard. "Hit the monkey now!"

  10. Comment + mirror by winkydink · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It looks like most of their portfolio makes it into production, but I can't
    help but wonder just how much a keyboard like this would cost?

    Also, OLED's have a short life. 1-2 years.

    Mirror here

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    1. Re:Comment + mirror by badmammajamma · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's funny...my LG cell phone is two years old and the OLED's work fine. Different colors fail at different rates. Blue supposedly goes first. In any event, the keyboard could turn itself off when your screensaver is activated to extend the life of the OLEDs. You could probably get 5 years out of the keyboard that way and 5 years is good enough for most people.

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  11. I can't imagine... by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How this thing won't have a manufacturing cost around $3-4 a key...

    That said... If they build these and they have good action, I'll drop $500 on one.

  12. International users and public terminals by ScArE2100 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is an amazing idea for international users at public terminals. Just sit down and select your character set and you're off and running with a keyboard taylored to your needs. I forsee this being in airports and trainstations; even somewhat computer illiterate people could use it to be able to seemlessly type in there language.

    Although the price might render this idea problematic...

  13. Lottsa uses for this by Mr.+Cancelled · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But the one that intrigues me the most is the fact that I share a keyboard between a Mac and a PC using Synergy, and the keys aren't mapped identically between both machines. This would be very handy to have my keyboard visually show me what's what, dependant upon which computer has the keyboards focus at that time.

    Not to mention that I'm a shortcut junkie, and a visual kinda guy... This has "productivity increase" written all over it!

    But the bad news is that the keyboard appears to be just a prototype at this point. Hopefully demand will quickly bring it to market soon! (preferably at less than $200 - It looks kinda expensive). There's a rather good thread on it over at digg, from earlier today.

  14. Would be great if the OS... by losman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...could drive the OLEDs. So if I switched from Firefox to OpenOffice the keys would automatically adjust themselves. This way we could leave to the application developers to interface their apps to something in the OS. This would be the future version of creating icons for your application or an extension of it.

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  15. I want one of these NOW! by concept10 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    .. Is this just a proof of concept vaporware?

    I didnt see anything about purchase information.

  16. Prefer normal one by mfloy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you ask me, I prefer the good old fashion keyboards with no special buttons, lights, whistles or what-not. Those keyboards seem like they would be fun until the lights stop working.

  17. Woo-Hoo! by hellomynameisclinton · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can finally get past the second step - I'll have an ANY KEY!

  18. neat, but... by greywire · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This would have to be ungodly expensive for a keyboard. OLED's are definately the way to go, though, because LCD's (especialy in color) are way to bulky and expensive (each key would need a light source, lcd, and a driver chip). With an OLED, if I am not mistaken, you can have the whole display and drivers on one piece. No glass panels, no backlight.

    Still, until OLEDs are in mass (*MASS*) production, I dont see producing a keyboard like this for a reasonable price for some time yet.

    For all the people thinking "OH NO! this would be way to confusing! Bad, bad idea for UI design..".. what's the problem? We have windows full of icons now. What's the difference in putting some icons onto a keyboard? With something like photoshop I could see this being a real time saver. And I bet you will start to use and remember keyboard shortcuts much more often with this, since you only need to look, where now you have to hunt around and find out what the shortcut is..

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  19. that's good news by whovian · · Score: 4, Funny

    There really could be an 'Any' key.

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  20. Re:How can a Brit get one of these? by crypto55 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just get a prepaid credit card from your bank. Get them to input the exact cost of the keyboard, so even if someone steals your CC #, the thing will be empty anyways.

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  21. Hmmm... well... by lurch_mojoff · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't want to dis the (obviously) pretty good designers of Art. Lebedev Studio, but do we have a proof that this is even a prototype? For all I see it may just as well be a great idea with a good design, created in Maya (or whatever). Prety picture != real (or even conceivable) product.

    Keyboard design needed something like this for a long time now, but will it ever become a real market product?

  22. "Patents pending"? by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I sure hope the patent applies only to high-resolution or color displays inside the keyboard, as many Slashdot users have "published" (in patent jargon) a description of a reconfigurable keyboard with a small (e.g. 8x8 pixel) monochrome LCD under each key.

  23. Applications beyond computing by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyway. I've always thought of a musical MIDI keyboard with glowing keys.

    Why? You give it the music, and it can teach you to play a specific piece of music. Just put your hands on the glowing keys, and ta-da! :)

    1. Re:Applications beyond computing by zerOnIne · · Score: 3, Interesting

      like this? it's been around for a few years. there's even a guitar version. you don't really need the complexity of OLED displays for this purpose.

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  24. OLED? by Pyrosz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I would think that the new e-paper technologies would be better suited as they maintain the image with the power off. This would enable the keyboard to only use power while the keys are changed (or if they are animated), and of course the wireless portion would use power.

    If they get these out on the market (using e-paper tech) for under $300 CAN I would buy one asap.

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    1. Re:OLED? by RobertB-DC · · Score: 2, Funny

      I would think that the new e-paper technologies would be better suited as they maintain the image with the power off.

      Now there's a real-world problem.

      Tech Support: Welcome to Bombay Computer Support, how may I help you?

      Consumer: When I turn on my computer, it says 'BIOS ERROR, Press F1 to configure'.

      TS: What happens when you press the F1 key?

      Con: I don't have an F1 key! My keyboard is blank!

      TS: Tell your roommate to give you back your key caps.

      Con: ?!?

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  25. My concerns by Penguin+Programmer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This looks like a very, very cool idea. However, I have a major concern that would need to be satisfied before I would buy one: Drivers.

    I'm a dedicated Linux user and I think that the complexity of the drivers required for a keyboard like this might mean that a Linux driver doesn't appear right away (I mean, what are the chances of them releasing one, and we all know how long it takes for community-started open-source drivers to become stable, although they're quicker now than ever). Also, that driver had better not put any load on my CPU or memory. I have better things to do with those.

    That said, when an open-source driver for it does emerge, you know it'll do all sorts of cool stuff. For those of us who don't need to look at the keys anyway, it could be programmed to show movies while I'm typing instead.

  26. Re:Sorry, poster, editor, and everyone else... by Scottarius · · Score: 4, Informative

    Um, nobody claimed it was a product, did you bother to read the post or look past that one page on the website? This is a design concept by a russian company who does industrial design. many of their other design concepts have made it to production.

  27. WoW - need one of these in Azeroth! by kingjosh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    WoW would be great with this! Chuckled a bit when I saw the "Quake" idea, first thing I thought of was binding the keys to macros on World of Warcraft, this would just be so much better than an action bar and/or remembering what you mapped all your keys to.

    I'd definitely pay for this keyboard, even if it were $200+

  28. Won't someone please think of the children? by Webmonger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's got to be the widest 'standard' keyboard I've ever seen in my life! Where will our obsession with function keys end? First the PC/XT layout put them on the left-hand side, then the AT layout put them along the top.

    This keyboard combines the two, so now we've got function keys across the top and (different ones) down the left, plus a numeric keypad that is completely redundant with other number and arrow keys.

    Where will it end? Will we someday be pair programming with both programmers working the keyboard and telling each other which keys to hit? Will fights break out over who gets to press 'Y' and 'B'?

    I'm sure there are children whose arms won't reach both ends of this thing! Won't someone please think of the children?

    1. Re:Won't someone please think of the children? by VGR · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sun keyboards do this, and I love it. (Though Sun keyboards have a number of other qualities which I don't love....)

      If, like me, you're a keyboard power user, then having those left function keys, like Open, Front, Cut, Copy, Paste, Undo, Props and so on is a godsend. And from a user interface standpoint, they're a lot smarter than expecting novice users to know Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, Ctrl-V, and Ctrl-Z. (And it would be nice if novice users didn't keep trying to get those combinations to work in Unix shells.)

      It may make the keyboard bigger, but I'm not aware of any key combos comprised of both a left function key and some other key.

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  29. So much for touch typing (without looking) by Wilk4 · · Score: 2, Funny
    So much for touch typing (without looking).... though I presume you'd still be used to standards sets for 'normal' use.

    wonder what the 'feel' is like? that matters.

    have to admit, the displays are pretty cool looking, but I'd sure hate to think what happens to it when you spill your coffee into it... ;-)

  30. New type of Trojan by Blindman · · Score: 3, Funny

    You could install a keyboard game like Whack-a-mole, and the user unwittingly types in code to destroy their own system.

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  31. Yes, every key would change... by Omega · · Score: 5, Funny

    That would be really funny if the prompt read, "Press any key" and every key on the keyboard changed to read "Any". :)

    1. Re:Yes, every key would change... by eth1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      "That would be really funny if the prompt read, "Press any key" and every key on the keyboard changed to read "Any". :)"

      Tech Support: Hello, how may I help you?
      Customer: Hi, it says to press the 'Any' key, but I see 104 'Any' keys... which one do I press?
      Tech Support: *blam*

  32. Useless by Thaelon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How completely useless for us touch typists.

    Also, if you need to look down to see what key does what in an FPS game (Quake (III?) is depicted) you're already dead.

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    1. Re:Useless by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sure. I can touchtype, and I've been able to do that for the last 13 years at least. But it'd still be VERY handy.

      When I'm using a new program, I'd love for my keyboard to show me what keys do what. Hold down shift and a new set of functions pop up on the keyboard. Other modifiers and you get more.

      Touch typing is useless when you don't know that pressing Ctrl+Shift+Space will do what you're trying to find in Tools->More->Neat->Macro->Experimental->Do not touch.

      Or are you just somehow magically able to know just what each and every key combination does in a program you've never used before?

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  33. e-Ink by cryptochrome · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think e-ink would be a cheaper, less power-hungry option for the keys. Also, making the keys contoured would be a good idea.

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  34. ...and the downside. by AtariAmarok · · Score: 2, Funny
    Doubleclick.net/etc and others exploit IE security loopholes and deliver little click-here icon ads to your keyboard without you asking.

    Or, visit a page with a banner, and watch the whole "click the monkey" or "Shoot the duck" bannergame display in your function key row, begging you to hit the right key to win that iPod.

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  35. Good idea, really? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Sweet concept.

    Not terribly practical, though, even if they put it into production.

    How many times did you look at your keyboard while you typed your post, really? In the middle of an intense FPS shootout, do you really need to know which key you configured to switch from the rocket launcher to grenades? Do you really have to check the keyboard shortcut for "Copy" in your text editor of choice?

    No, me neither.

    This is a fun idea, sure, and might have some genuine use in a few niches, but I doubt it's going anywhere as a mainstream idea.

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    1. Re:Good idea, really? by conigs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I beg to differ that this is not practical. This would be especially useful to video editors or anyone in media that uses a shit-ton of keyboard hotkeys/shortcuts. Take video for example... Avid and FCP keyboards are all over the place. Imagine having a kayboard like this which avid or fcp could send the user's keyboard layout to, and presto! Instant, accurate representation of all the keyboard short-cuts. This is far better than buying a pre-manufactured keyboard that has the shortcuts printed on the keys... especially if you change the layout (as many do on avid and fcp and many other programs).

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    2. Re:Good idea, really? by Ced_Ex · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What about multilanguage keyboards?

      Not everyone uses the Roman Alphanumerics system. Arabic and Asian languages come to mind.

      Plus, it would be cool to see what keys are mapped in games like the old school MechWarrior where you had to use pretty much every key.

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    3. Re:Good idea, really? by Keith+Russell · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Do you really have to check the keyboard shortcut for "Copy" in your text editor of choice?

      Ask Logitech and Microsoft. They seem to think that the F-keys are a playground. Thus, odd-shaped F-keys, tiny F-keys, and the ever-dreaded F-Lock, which leaves unsuspecting users wondering why F7 didn't send "Ready!" over the team channel.

      They think users are so stupid and/or lazy, that they need a button on the keyboard to launch Excel, regardless of the number of start menu/quick launch/desktop shortcuts Office places on install. Meanwhile, those of us with 1/16 of a clue are left double-checking the F-Lock LED all the time, because we'd rather get into the BIOS setup than try to launch Outlook Express before the bloody boot loader is read off the hard drive!

      Can you tell this is a pet peeve? My pre-F-Lock Logitech keyboard is becoming more precious by the minute. I'll be damned if I let these marketing-addled fools turn my Step Into Function debugger key into a PowerPoint launcher.

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    4. Re:Good idea, really? by _damnit_ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When I saw this, the first thing I thought of was the Internet cafe I sat at near Place de Bastille in Paris. It took me a long time to write the simple email I needed to get off because I had no clue where the keys were on a French Keyboard. It occasionally did some strange stuff. Touch typing is out too! Something like this where a single button on the side could change the keyboard to several languages would be great even in the states where English really isn't the only language spoken (even though we tend to think so).
      Hell, the computer labs in school could use this for French, Spanish and other language labs. You know how hard it is to write a French paper without easy access to a cedilla or other diacritic marks?

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    5. Re:Good idea, really? by aneurysm36 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      agreed, this could be VERY practical.

      hold down the ctrl key and-
      x changes to "cut"
      c changes to "copy"
      v changes to "paste"

      hold down the windows key and-
      e changes to an explorer icon
      pause/break changes to system properties

      alt-tab out of q3 and the keys change back to letters

      alt-tab to photoshop and the keys change to shortcuts and macros

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    6. Re:Good idea, really? by Petrushka · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What about multilanguage keyboards?

      Not everyone uses the Roman Alphanumerics system. Arabic and Asian languages come to mind.

      I totally agree. I work with languages in multiple alphabets and a thing like this would be a wonderful tool. Have you ever tried to find a keyboard appropriately marked for polytonic Greek? Well, I'm pretty sure they don't exist ... anyway, I just drooled and drooled over the pictures. Think of scholars trying to type out cuneiform or Linear B, or pretty much any non-European language, and it's not hard to think of applications. I'd love for a keyboard like this to exist and be practical!

    7. Re:Good idea, really? by Excelsior · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is a fun idea, sure, and might have some genuine use in a few niches, but I doubt it's going anywhere as a mainstream idea.

      Nothing like thinking completely within the box. Free your mind, my friend.

      How about an application that changes your keyboard functions as you proceed through steps? For instance, using an IDE, different key functions would show when I'm editing or debugging.

      What if you had toggle keys that, when pressed, the keyboard would show you a visual indication of a completely different set of key-functions? So your keyboard is in its normal state most of the time, but gives you alternate setups as you request them.

      What if in games, when you get shot, your keyboard pulses red. When you swim, your keyboard looks like water, with bubbles floating past. Keys show pictures of the weapons they would switch you to, and how much ammo they hold. Keys show the spells they would cast.

      What if applications and desktops could now eliminate widgets because a key can be set to represent them as needed? No more row of buttons at the top of every web browser, word processor, and email client. Perhaps they could add a row of keys along the top of the keyboard to replace the window taskbar. These buttons would show your apps, and you could press them to minimize windows, restore them, or bring them to the front.

      Or, we could just keep thinking in the box, poo-pooing ideas, and leave the innovation to others.

    8. Re:Good idea, really? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Narrow minded viewpoint.

      Keyboards are powerful as hell if you know how to use them, but most people don't have the time to learn everything their applications can do. If something like this caught on and became prevelant enough for all applications to include a keyboard configuration, it could really make the full use of keyboard shortcuts available to more people and dramatically increase their productivity. People who would never dream of reading the documentation would notice what their keys turned into when they hit control buttons and use the functionality.

      This should replace every keyboard in the world.

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    9. Re:Good idea, really? by i+wanted+another+nam · · Score: 2, Funny

      1 shit-ton is equivalent to 2.74 metric fuckloads

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  36. Us DIY people have been doing this for years!! by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 2, Funny

    We just use tiny little slide projectors behind each key. When you hear this sound: "Bink!", go to the next key image.

    It costs a fortune changing all those light bulbs though, but it keeps your fingers warm.

  37. Das Keyboard by mattdm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For the cheapskates there's always Das Keyboard!!

    Well, it isn't exactly cheap, but it is actually really nice. My keyboard at work had one too many coffees spilled on it, so I asked for Das Keyboard for the replacement. I was anticipating a little adjustment period, but there really wasn't any. It takes zero extra effort to type -- my fingers apparently know where all the keys are -- and the weighting and feel of the keys is excellent. The only problem I have is when I'm working on something else and want to reach over to hit a control key combination or something -- then I have to think.

    (PS: you can get it directly from its own web site: http://www.daskeyboard.com/ for four cents cheaper than Thinkgeek, and with free shipping to North America.)

  38. OLED prices by bperkins · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everyone thinks that this would be expensice. but does anyone out here actually know what OLED prices are for something like this?

    If it's feasible to integrate the OLED and the display driver using all organic semiconductors, maybe this isn't as expensive an idea as people think. The first screens don't necessarily have to have super fast refresh rates.

    After all, most of the tiny screens are identical, and my best guess is that OLED production costs go as the area of the screen, which isn't really that large in this case. If one manages to combine the push signal, display signal and the OLED power in two wires, the wiring wouldn't be much more complex than a standard keyboard.

  39. This would be great for... by nicholaides · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This would be great for Reason, or Fruity Loops, or Hydrogen, or whatever music program you use. The keys could be colored like a piano keyboard. That would alleviate the need for a bulky MIDI keyboard.

    I've had this idea before (key's w/ LCD screens) but I never thought it practical enough to work. Now that they've got a Patent pending, I'm kicking myself.

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  40. Let's sing a little song by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Transkeyboards...
    More than meets the eye.

    Qwertybots wage their battle to destroy the evil forces of...
    The Dvorakons.

    The Transkeyboards...
    Keyboards in disguise.

    The Transkeyboards...
    More than meets the eye.

    The Transkeyboards.

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  41. Re:How about half the world, then? by nooj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, your presumption is wrong. Almost everyone glances down at their keyboard to get their bearings dozens of times per hour. Yes, sometimes even when they hit something so common as ^V. This is why keyboards are printed with large capital letters in very clear type.

    Why don't you try putting little stickers over the letters on your keyboard some time and see just how often you use them as a crutch? You don't even have to cover all the letters; just do ten or fifteen--say, the entire bottom row. You will be surprised at how much you rely on them.

  42. Compromise to passive-matrix LCD by foldgate · · Score: 2, Interesting

    E-Ink may be the only way this concept could be realized at a generally marketable price point--but only when that tech has actually made it to market itself! If this product is actually brought to market within the next 12 months, it will most likely be constructed with a monochrome LCD for each key--not as sexy, but passive-matrix LCDs are almost cheap enough now for this to be feasible.

  43. Re:Good Idea, Bad Price- But "Novel Idea"??? by davidsyes · · Score: 2, Informative

    I would argue that the overlays shown in the Star Trek USS Enterprise Bridge Blueprints (a copy of which I purchased back in Sept '82) says, "Shows Every Button of Every Station and Their Functions: Complete Set of 10 Accurate 17" x 22" Blueprints of the Primary Bridge", (these drawings were drawn by Michael McMaster) could be considered precursors to this. The first set was drawn October 76. The STTNG console, as described by Michael Okuda and Wil Wheaton are a leap of generations past "Trek Classic."

    We've already seen in the Trek Episode "Where No Man Has Gone Before" a console control station with keyboard and switches being inserted after Lee Kelso appropriated it from the Vega cracking station. Later, that console style was changed for subsequent episodes, and apparently those changes on-screen seem to import/imply multi-function/demand-assignment control buttons. They're not for typing or composing documents, but they serve the purpose of entering single or a string of command sequences.

    Now, in terms of recent Trek incarnations, it is plain and obvious that even tho Trek is fiction, it should not take a giant leap to consider that today's thin film and LCD panels *could* make it feasible to lighten up, slim down, and de-wire these control consoles and make them portable. (Even the USN today and for several years has been using Palm Pilots for crew maintenance of shipboard equipment, and their PDAs could surely use the docking cradles/keyboards...)

    Where I am going with this is that between Trek of the 60s and technology of today, and with Trek already having mentioned multifunction keyboard overlays in the 60's drawings and the STTNG blueprints reiterating such things, where the consoles bring up the functions appropriate to security clearance, work tasks, emergencies, etc., this keyboard is not SOOOO terribly unique that it would enjoy a monopoly patent. It would probably face competition just as the innumerable PDAs' makers are facing competition, as so many hammers, socks, hair combs, nit removers, and even computer keyboards and other input devices have met competition. In other words, it's not a terribly large leap or extension of logic to say that a large, heavy, box and Mil-Spec connector cabled keyboard could be reduced to a wireless, lit-key, portable (walk-about) entry station, sending and receiving information via laser, Bluetooth or IR or WI-Fi (whatever works for the compartment, based on the proximity of RFI, EMI, generators, transformers, and such, unless the freq is above or below and therefore unaffected) signals. If there is contention or threat of suits in the court, an "innovator" then could simply create sliding tracks so that all those surplus monochrome LCDs languishing at WeirdStuff Computers could be put to use and maybe reopen a LCD assembly line. LCDs would be able to send several lines

    I really do think the keyboard concept they show deserves *some* protection, but not at the preclusion or exclusion of other makers. It's not novel *enough*. It's not *non-obvious* enough. But, I would say that any investors who like the technology should at least give first round of financing and marketing assistance to these guys -- if they are truly the first to put in this much real-world effort. But, once their boards hit the streets and engineering bugs crop up, competitors waiting in the background will quickly exploit that.

    These guys had better be prepared to fix their own flaws before their competitors fix them for them and help themselves to their competition while they are at it...

    Nice board. Really. I just hope they enlist the help of Open Source developers and embed a Linux-kernel driver or module facility so that the user can assign ANY function to ANY key based on a combination of command sequence and mouse click on a feature of an app interface. It is still too hard for some people to dump the console output or even make a console tell them the hex and human string AND the command with an example. Comparing the console output needs to seamlessly and INTUITIVELY match the KDE key settings.

    If they bring this board down to $50, I'd buy one, hands down (pun IS intended...)...

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