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Clinton To Take On Rockstar
Hillary Clinton, protector of the innocent, has vowed to see an FTC investigation launched against Rockstar because of the 'Hot Coffee' sex mod (already under investigation by the ESRB). From the Gamespot article: "...following recent reports revealing that the video game Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas has graphic pornographic content which may be unlocked by following instructions on the Internet, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton will hold a press conference to discuss legislative solutions to keep inappropriate video game content out of the hands of young people."
ARGH! Okay...seriously...it's already rated M. It's out of the hands of children. If Rockstar actually left the content in that wasn't the smartest thing they've ever done, but it's not like they killed a puppy.
meanwhile, Bill works feverishly to open the sex game in GTA before Hillary puts a stop to it altogether.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
"... Hillary Rodham Clinton will hold a press conference to discuss legislative solutions to keep inappropriate video game content out of the hands of young people."
Can you legislate good parenting?
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Let's see:
* Killing pedestrians by running them over: Appropriate for children.
* Shooting people in the head: No problem, kids are ok with that
* Toasting cops with flamethrowers: Hey, that's cool, go on my little angel dear.
* Nudity and pornographical images: What is this, I'll call my congress[wo]man immediately. They need to stop this filth from getting to innocent kids.
Somebody really need to get their priorities right! Not to mention it already has an M-rating as someone already mentioned in another post.
Not investigating Maxis over The Sims Nude Patch
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If a parent allows a child to play a game named "Grand Theft Auto" (a major crime), with a clearly visible rating that clearly identifies it as being for adults, then it's hard to see how this is any fault of the publisher or anyone else but the parent concerned.
It's also hard to see the obsession with preventing children from seeing anything "sexual" while, apparently, being unconcerned about children coming across something violent. Here's a major clue for you, speaking as someone who was a child for 12 years of my life, and a teenager for about eight: children think stuff to do with sex is icky anyway. As for teenagers, on the other hand, they'll find something sexual in a church newsletter. Hidden scenes in stupid video games aren't going to make a major difference.
A second issue you may not realise is that sex is, fundamentally, neutral. It can be used for good and for bad. It is not inherently evil and to be used only under extreme circumstances, such as when bad things threaten you. In fact, it's actually, usually, a beautiful thing. This is not true of violence. So why people like yourself give a stuff about the former but not the latter will... god, am I really pointing this out? I must be the 912,291th person on Slashdot *alone* to have pointed out this rather obvious fact.
Seriously. I appreciate that you, Senator, as someone born at the tender age of 21, probably do not realise any of this and so have some screwed up views on the subject. They may or may not be distantly connected with people close to you. For all I know, a night in bed with Bill is worse than five rounds with Muhammed Ali. Nevertheless, please do us all a favour and shut the f--- up. You do not know what you're talking about. You are meddling in a way that gives those of us that would otherwise support you a bad name. If this is part of your presidential ambitions, I think I speak for most of the liberals on Slashdot when I say: Kerry '08.
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Accually Probably not. God of War had a sex mini game included in it, that you didn't have to crack the game to access. And it only has a mature rating.
Is Hillary trying to seek the Presidential nomination from again?
Sure looks like a Republican from here.
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Hillary Clinton alrady spread FUD about GTA* being a 'murder simulator'; either she is an idiot for critisising a game she never played, or if she played it and still gives the public this biased view, she's a liar. As i previously said, it's just an arcade game about driving from A to B and then maybe to C, and shooting some targets every now and then. There's no real death, no real sex. Not even virtually real. Just Pac-Man-like game mechanics (but quite entertaining). The player is rewarded for helping people, punished for harming innocents, and taught how to be a better driver.
Now she has found another lump of coal to throw on her fire and pretends that San Andreas has pornographic content, which is like saying Quake 3 Arena has a brutally realistic damage model (you just need to install this little mod, but most of the code is allready in there!). Again, that's either idiotic or an outright lie. And the large majority of the population (read: voters) isn't all that familiar with this matter and just believes her.
but what do i know, i'm just a model.
Sex is a clearly dangerous and malevolent thing that needs wiped from our society. . ,Senator Clinton .
If nobody had sex , then pretty soon (about 100 years tops ), then their would be no crime , No poverty , no overcrowding , no more poloution , many animals species would be allowed to thrive.
I clap my hands for Hillary Clitnon , and support her cause to wipe out Humanity
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Clinton will hold a press conference to discuss legislative solutions to keep inappropriate video game content out of the hands of young people.
Isn't that the parents' responsibility?
I don't want the government raising my children. It was bad enough when Clinton wanted a village to do it... I definitely don't want a bunch of bureaucrats to do it unless they want to come over to change dirty diapers and clean up puke.
No, it doesn't affect the game save, it modifies the game itself (at least, the PC version that I downloaded) and affects all new and saved games.
Rockstar's claim in PR talk. On my Xbox version a simple byte flag change in my saved game file unlocked that minigame, no files added/removed from the game. It's been called the censor flag. The Xbox version also has clothes on the players in the minigame, but I've heard the PC version they are nude.
The larger PC mods simply add more features hacks to make the mod easier to pull off and more interesting. And they contain the changed file, not instructions on what bytes to change in the files to achieve the result.
The thing I'm confused about, other games such as Playboy Mansion on the Xbox has an even more graphic love scenes in the game than in San Andreas, because the Playboy mansion scenes the players are nude, not in GTA Xbox. That "mode" don't have to be unlocked, it's part of the game. It is also an M rated game, just like GTA. The only difference? One is a LOT more popular because it's a much better game, that would be GTA.
I too agree with improved regulation of age ratings for Video Games, and movies. Because if a parent wants their 8 year old kid to play GTA, they'll buy it for the kid reguardless. But don't just let the kid go and buy the game, let the parent decide if the kid is mature enough to play it.
She's already starting her run to the center for her presidential bid in 2008. Hopefully most people will see right through this.
She represents the worst of the Democrats in that she doesn't have any positions that won't change based on tomorrow's opinion poll. Not only that, she repesents the "government knows better than you" wing as well.
What kind of message is this going to give to kids really? It seems the issue is this:
"There's no problem with a game containing large amounts of violence and illegal activity, PROVIDING there's no sex in it!"
Really, if I was a parent (which currently I'm not) I'd be much more worried about the violence and stuff in GTA, than any amount of sex. Maybe if it was rape, then I'd be a little more sympathetic to their point of view.
I don't pretend to understand the ratings system in america, but in good old Blighty, GTA is rated 18, which means you can't buy it if you're under 18, yet you're allowed to have sex in real life at the age of 16. (which brings up an interesting debate as to why porn films are also rated 18 - but thats not the topic)
Really, this is a non issue, and the world could do with lightening up a bit on the whole sex issue. There really is nothing offensive about it, and depending upon your religion (if any), can be viewed as a good healthy (if you are sensible) recreational activity...
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I wonder if the Junior Senator from New York and everyone else having a cow realize how much free press they are giving this game? People who had never considered buying it before will be curious now, and it will fly off the shelves! Rockstar couldn't have bought this kind of publicity.
How ya like dat?
the "government knows better than you" wing as well.
Which wing was that, the "both sides of the line" wing? Face it, when one party wants the government to intrude into our daily lives to make sure we're all safe and happy from ourselves, and the other party wants the government to intrude into our daily lives to make sure we're all safe and happy from terrorists, we're all boned.
When the Libertarian Party's alternative quits being "the government knows nothing", I'll vote for them.
Why is it that people can't come out and say exactly what the real problem is?
If we assume that Rockstar actually coded the sex scenes, and then removed access to them, how can we logically punish them for this? There isn't a secret button combination or set of actions you can use to activate the scenes, you have to hack the game to do it. How can we hold Rockstar responsible for this?
It seems to me the real reason this issue is being pushed is because Rockstar may have at one point intended to include scenes such as these in the game. The real reason why Rockstar is under fire (aside from being the de facto target of all video game ignoramus) is because Rockstar may have intended to put something like this in GTA:SA, and may still intend to do so in the future.
Honestly though, if the final version of the game contains no way in which these scenes can be accessed without using tools unavailible within the game, how can we blame Rockstar?
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Hasn't anybody considered the fact that downloading this patch requires the internet skills necessary to locate the patch, and then the computing skills necessary to apply it? If a kid can find the Hot Coffee mod on the net, he/she can find porn on the net. Hell, most people who couldn't find the Hot Coffee mod could find porn on the net. But censoring the intarweb was sooooo 90s, and it didn't succeed, so now they're going after video games.
As a complete non-sequitir, does anybody know of a country where the right to free speech actually exists, and the government doesn't tell the citizens what they can and can't choose to view?
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They're only doing this cause they want another nail to put GTA in the coffin with.
For all the over-the-top stuff in the game, it is a piece of smart satirical writing (listen to the radio stations and look at the adverts in the game if you don't know what I mean).
GTA has been able to evade every politician's attempts to nail it to the wall with the violence issue. Now they have another weapon to blast at it with.
Still, common sense says: it's M. Kids under 17 shouldn't have it, and those that do have it and have used the patch have probably seen worse on satellite/cable tv.
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First she's teaming up with Newt Gingrich and now this. The point is to curry favor with social conservatives before her inevitable run for president. Just the sound of her name makes the fundamentalists empty out their wallets and pocketbooks. Look for more of this to come.
Let me see, this happens America Aka JesusLand, The country that voted "twice" for a guy with an IQ of 80 who sent their sons (not HIS sons though) to a bloody war in the middle of the fucking desert to the wrong country (according Michael Moore at least) and allowed terrorism to their doorsteps in the process, instead of voting for a guy who didnt opossed to gay marriage.
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Hmm.. Id say Rockstar is pretty much screwed.
Rockstar just move to Canada and get over with it, next time you wont have to lock the sex game.
p.s. Whats this fixation with politicians and GTA anyway? havent they noticed god of war has twice the blood, none of the choice to be bad or not and a completely unlocked sex game? or what about the sex scenes in fable? the guy game (which are real girls btw) or playboy mansion? those arent locked either.
Or if you want to go there, what about the nude patches for DOAVB or Tomb raider?
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Not only that, she repesents the "government knows better than you" wing as well.
I would hope that the government is more informed and intelligent than than I am. If not, we are in bad shape.
Hence, we are in bad shape.
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Not that I approve of "substitute legislation for the necessity of parenting," but if we've substituted day-care and latchkeys for parents, a lot of the damage to parenting has already been done.
Back in the 50's we had the classic "Leave it to Beaver" parenting model, where Dad went to work, and Mom stayed home with the kids. Perhaps Mom was swilling the liquor and playing poker with her friends, but mine wasn't, and AFAIK, the other moms in the neighborhood weren't. We had active and involved moms who enforced values, (to put it in current-speak) kissed skinned knees, and got us back up on our bikes, etc.
Fast-forward to today, where the norm is either two incomes, or a single working income. Young kids are in day-care - presumably the low-cost provider, and older kids lock the doors after getting home from school. If parents get home at 5:00 and put the kids to bed at 9:00, that's 4 hours, 5 if you include an hour in the morning. You can "teach" all you want during that 4-5 hours, but that's dwarfed by the "imprint time" with the sitter for small kids and classmates/media for larger kids. But then again, two wrongs don't make a right. Further legislation doesn't correct the problem of busy parents, it only tries to hide it.
Not that I think 2 working parents is always bad. Some families can handle it. I just don't think it's good as the "standard model" for our society. But from the Government's point of view, it's great! Put Mom to work and you also partially finance a day-care worker, collecting taxes from both. You also find less cooking-from-scratch and more prepared foods, with attendant higher corporate profits (taxes, again) and job creation rates.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Attention Boomers. I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but despite the amount you might wish it to be the contrary, the 1950s are well and truly over. Deal with it. Yes, the world is a lot more secular, and a lot less racist, and yes, the gays and wiccans have ascended from the sewers and are now legally able to walk among the rest of us. On the other side of the sexual hypocrisy-related fence, a man (or woman) can now actually be caught and criminally charged for molesting their children. Horrifying concepts, I know...but if I've learned to acclimatise to it, so can you. Postmodernism and moral relativism have inherited the earth, and like it or not, there ain't no going back.
That of course is the crux of what this is about...people in Hillary's generational bracket having delusional recollections of the era of their own childhood, and wish to attempt to force said delusions upon the rest of the world. With the dawn of each new day I seem to read yet another report of an attempt at fascist control by some beurecratic 50+ year old suffering from the effects of advanced neurological decomposition. I've said it before, and I'll say it again...Hillary and the rest of her geriatric, sexually deprived ilk need to be in nursing homes...NOT in the halls of government.
"I would hope that the government is more informed and intelligent than than I am."
Fortunately, I don't think it's that hard to be smarter than me.
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't it a good thing that a politician would listen to the view of the people (opinions, polls) and adjust their position accordingly.
Much better than someone who pushes through an agenda irrespective of public opinion.
So, the entertainment industry should be held accountable for making violent video games? I suppose he also thinks gun manufacturers should be held accountable for making guns, too. God forbid we actually blame the people who committed the crime; let's just blame some industry scapegoat instead.
Ewww! That is much more than I wanted to know!
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
I am a parent of two children myself. A soon-to-be 6yr old and a soon-to-be one yr old.
My son is in major Star Wars mode right now. He's obsessed with ALL of the movies, from Ep1 to Ep6. I myself am very much a fan of all 6 movies. I was there opening week for Ep 1-3. However, my wife and I opted to leave our son home for Ep3 knowing the increased violence. There were parts we weren't comfortable letting him see. After about a month of discussing with him and warning him that there were bad parts in the movie, and explaining to him what happened and how those bad things happened because Anakin was a bad person in this movie, he understood it very well and enjoyed the movie (I did cover his eyes when Anakin was being burnt alive though. There's some things I don't want him to see). Because we had the chance to know it wasn't outright appropriate, and we could view it and discuss the 'problem areas' with him beforehand.
That said, I've been playing the GTA series since its first game, on the PS1. I DO NOT let my son watch me play this last installment, and I do not let him play it either. I don't feel its appropriate for him at all. However, as pointed out, children cannot buy this game as is. Pushing legislation or taking action is not needed here. What is needed is moronic parents to preview material before giving it to their kids. I'm not one of those goodness-nazi parents, there's just some things I don't want my son to see at age 5. I can judge when he is mature enough to handle it. Parents going ape-shit over this are, simply, IMO, bad parents.
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We have it. We just call it common *sense*.
If Rockstar actually left the content in that wasn't the smartest thing they've ever done, but it's not like they killed a puppy.
You're not too familiar with the United States, are you?
Remember, this was the country initially founded by Separatists, the country that put the "duh" in "fundamentalism."
The country where you can have all kinds of death and explosions and only get a PG-13 rating, but show one human penis and you get slapped with NC-17.
I don't think they're mutually exclusive. Politicians tend to say things that'll mesh well with opinion polls, and then go off and do what they want (because they know better). And let's not forget that it's possible to take a poll in a way that gets exactly the opinion you want expressed. You want firearms banned? Concentrate your polling in mostly urban areas where there's less recreational firearm use. Want to keep 'em around? Poll primarily in rural areas where hunting, target shooting and the like are still done regularly.
That may not be the best example, but you get the idea.
"It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." -Albert Einstein
What if the will of the majority tramples the rights of the minority? It wasn't that long ago that politicians in the American South fought to keep blacks and whites from using the same public facilities. This was what the majority of their white constituents wanted but that doesn't make it right.
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When the Libertarian Party's alternative quits being "the government knows nothing", I'll vote for them.
As a libertairian, allow me to steal freely from Mark Twain to say that the problem with government is not what they don't know, but what they do know that isn't so.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
I was of the understanding the Mrs Clinton was rather good at overlooking sexual escapades right under her nose.
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> When the Libertarian Party's alternative quits being "the government knows nothing", I'll vote for them.
I am a Libertarian, and I don't see anything the Party platform that can be construed as "the government knows nothing."
I would start by saying "the government is terribly inefficient and should be reduced".
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Wow...I never thought that I'd be in a position to feel the need to support Hilary Clinton (whom I've always considered a bit of a Lady MacBeth). But doesn't anyone in this forum get that it has absolutely zero to do with video games...and everything to do with a larger economic neccessity. For our economy to grow, both parents (remember that 52% divorce rate) work. Which means most kids grow up in environments where they are left alone, or with outside assistance or with neighbors &c. This means that there is no or little check on what those kids are doing for a go portion of the day. They are exposed to games, music and films. Television shows not designed for them (but incredibly alluring...Come on! You were a kid once!). I'm all for the freaking government to get off of our backs, especially when it comes to my tax dollars being spent on huge pork barrel projects designed only to enrich the "friends" (aka large corporate campaign donors) of congress. Hilary's gripe, is to say...okay...who can we call upon to show some dignity...some class. Now she may disguise it, after all, she's a Clinton gearing up for a presidential campaign and trying to center herself (thus making her more attractive to the bible-eating middle) by railing against obscenity. But the true fact, the undeniable fact is that Rockstar's games are played, marketed and geared to children...M rating or not. Their promos, their ad campaigns...everything. Don't believe it? Open your eyes. Look at the television shows that they sponsor...look at the times of day those ads are on. Look at the magazines that Rockstar chooses to advertise in. It is no accident that they sell so many games. Now, I know the parents have to put down their foot every once in a blue moon (fucking parents today are way too fucking indulgent...if you ask me)...but I think it is also okay to expect a modicum of respect to the children of this country (or is that company) by respecting where and how you advertise your entertainment material. That's just some more Commmon Sense.
No...it's okay...I wasn't using my Civil Liberties anyway
Actually, I find Rockstar's behaviour incredibly irresponsible. Now now, hear me out . It sounds like I'm about to make a moral stand... i'm not.
Here's the deal. Rockstar has been playing a very dangerous game. They that the controversy of GTA3 helped their profits more than it hurt. After making this realization, they've been ratcheting up the controversy -- the GTA series has arguably become more and more violent and lost most of its "comical" violence, and of course there's Manhunt. Manhunt is the most obvious example - were it not for the controversy (and subsequent free publicity to gamers wanting to know what that controversy was about) that piece of crap would have sold all of 3 copies.
So they've playing this game of chicken with the media and the US government, trying to see just how far they could push it. Then they include the "hot coffee" content, knowing it would be easily unlocked while having the out of saying it was the work of hackers who had to tweak the code. Make no mistake: Rockstar wanted the hot coffee content to be unlocked.
Unfortunately, it's not just Rockstar that takes the heat. The media resoundly thinks that Developers are amoral thugs and that all gamers are pathological timebombs. And when congress steps in and decides to regulate, they wont regulate only Rockstar games. Everyone in the industry suffers.
I believe in freedom of expression, and it puts me in the position of defending Rockstar. I think they should have the freedom to do make any type of game they please. However, not for one second do I think that the company is run by anything other than irresponsible media whores.
Dole was also horribly stiff and unfriendly during the 1996 campaign, compared to the ultra-charismatic Bill Clinton as well as to himself in his numerous TV appearances after he lost the election. He probably still wouldn't have won, but he would at least have had a better showing if he'd just been himself a little more during the campaign.
As a developer, I disagree with you. Could it be possible that R* wanted the code to be found? It would be their way of putting the code in and not taking responsibility for it. It could then up the sales of GTA to young pervs while still keeping that M rating. You don't have to be a hacker to download and install a patch.
Now I hate agreeing with Mrs. Clinton, but in this case, I'll have to swallow my pride and agree with her.