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How Computers Work -- Circa 1979

Guinnessy writes "In a younger, more innocent time, Ladybird Books came out with a series of children's books called "How things work." Someone has put the 1971 and 1979 versions of How Computers Work onto the web. It's a fascinating glance at how much computers have advanced since the silicon chip was introduced. State-of-the-art in 1971 consisted of fitting thirty components into a 1 cm3 volume."

248 comments

  1. I've got the 1979 version of this book... by gefafwysp · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...and its proper title is "How it Works... The Computer"!

    1. Re:I've got the 1979 version of this book... by qewl · · Score: 1

      From the same publishers as, "How to %s", program;

      sorry, bad joke.

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    2. Re:I've got the 1979 version of this book... by nocomment · · Score: 1, Informative

      Dupe.

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    3. Re:I've got the 1979 version of this book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was there a "How it Works... The Woman" version of those books too?

    4. Re:I've got the 1979 version of this book... by The+Snowman · · Score: 3, Funny

      Was there a "How it Works... The Woman" version of those books too?

      No, there are some mysteries of the universe that cannot be explained.

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    5. Re:I've got the 1979 version of this book... by EvilMidnightBomber · · Score: 1

      Was there a "How it Works... The Woman" version of those books too

      Nope, by any logical definition, all women are broken

    6. Re:I've got the 1979 version of this book... by stupid_is · · Score: 1
      Au contraire - try this book

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    7. Re:I've got the 1979 version of this book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had the 1979 edition when I was a kid too.

      What a blast from the past.

      Yeshu777

    8. Re:I've got the 1979 version of this book... by tiluki · · Score: 1

      I had this version too as a kid. Thought it might help me program my Speccy, but gave up after trying to roll up a puch-card and stick it down line-in. Guess it was a *little* out of date, even back in the early 80's...

    9. Re:I've got the 1979 version of this book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      More like a rerun, after 8 months.

      Good eye, that. I guess teh "search" function works for you.

    10. Re:I've got the 1979 version of this book... by shadowmas · · Score: 1

      me too... infact i can see it lying on the floor in a coner right now. (pulled some old boxes last week didnt put some of them back in yet)

  2. First Prime Factorization Post by 2*2*3*75011 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1971 = 3*3*3*73
    1979 is prime

  3. OMG is this mirrored?! by 0xdeaddead · · Score: 3, Funny

    I feel it being /.'d like now... Although I know why my computer room sucks now, our tiles are not orange... :|

  4. dupe!! by gambit3 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dibs on dupe!!

    Do I get a prize?

    1. Re:dupe!! by bugnuts · · Score: 1

      This is definitely one place you can't win the

      "Frist post!1!!!" wars.

    2. Re:dupe!! by maxdamage · · Score: 1

      Im looking at this, and im thinking, damn, I read too much slashdot to recognize a dupe from so long ago

  5. [joke] by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 3, Funny

    [insert joke about how fascinating it is looking back at what links from two+ years ago were like here]

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    1. Re:[joke] by SnprBoB86 · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia links from two+ years ago look back on you?

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  6. Repost! by willith · · Score: 3, Informative

    Repost from November 04. Not bad, considering!

    1. Re:Repost! by madprof · · Score: 2, Funny

      It is fascinating to see how Slashdot editing has advanced over time.
      Back in November 2004 dupes were occuring only a few days apart. In July 2005 they are taking 8 months to occur!

    2. Re:Repost! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, technically it's a repost from 1979, but...

    3. Re:Repost! by dyefade · · Score: 1

      You're sig website is hysterical. I'm now crying on the 5th page. Thank you for this!

    4. Re:Repost! by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 1

      Well, considering the story is actually a repost of a repost of a repost of a repost...

      First post: 1971
      Repost: 1979
      Second Repost: Copied to web.
      Third Repost: November 04 on /.
      Fourth Repost: Here.

      All a repost of How It Works: The Computer. And, hopefully now, everyone knows... how it works! /me now goes off to watch his DVD collection of Mr. Wizard. Season one rocks!

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    5. Re:Repost! by StonedRat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Notice the original post was from the "doomed-to-repeat-ourselves" dept.

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    6. Re:Repost! by Scud · · Score: 1

      Relax, they're just trying to keep you updated.

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  7. The times, they are a-changin' by cagle_.25 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Interesting that tape and disk were competing media back in the day. Now they each have specialized uses (backup and storage, resp.).

    My first 5.25" was a Commodore external drive. It cost me about $300, IIRC. I was so psyched! Until I went to college and saw the 30MB HDDs for Macs. :-)

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  8. HUH? by SWTP_OS9 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Wasent this already poster a few months back?

    1. Re:HUH? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      C'mon you can forget Bush said there are WMD in Irak but you can remember slashdot dupes?

  9. W00t!!1! by Monte · · Score: 3, Funny

    Check out those pictures of hot data-processing chixors! Man, 70s era DP babes. Be still, my heart.

    1. Re:W00t!!1! by Blapto · · Score: 1
      Argh!

      I saw data-processing. I then saw DP next to it and though "Dual penetration? A little out of place in a book for children!".

    2. Re:W00t!!1! by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1
      Check out those pictures of hot data-processing chixors! Man, 70s era DP babes. Be still, my heart.

      Dude! That's yo mama!

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    3. Re:W00t!!1! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you figure they were double-penetration babes?

    4. Re:W00t!!1! by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      that chick you're so excited about is Blaise Pascal

    5. Re:W00t!!1! by msim · · Score: 1

      Evidently you are on far FAR too many spamlists.

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  10. fucking eh. by op00to · · Score: 1
    1. Re:fucking eh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, it's a dupe, but I don't care. It was news to me, and I thought it was very interesting. Just shut up you pompous morons.

    2. Re:fucking eh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I AM a pompous moron, you insensitive clod!

    3. Re:fucking eh. by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      i tried to click that link to see what your complaint was, but it was slashdotted

    4. Re:fucking eh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm interested in the article, and didn't see it the first time around. Repeating a reader-skippable topic after 9 months doesn't seem like a problem to me...

    5. Re:fucking eh. by thebagel · · Score: 1

      Yeah... that was 1971. This is '71 AND '79, man! Not a dupe, an update!

  11. Illustrations by bobcat7677 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A quick glance at the pictures also gives one a sense of how styles have changed since the 1970s as well. Gotta love the hair on the picture of the chic carrying a tape reel in the datacenter:P

    So glad we don't use stacks of punch cards anymore. I mean can you imagine how many truckloads of punch cards you would need to install windows XP? :P

    1. Re:Illustrations by Monte · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I mean can you imagine how many truckloads of punch cards you would need to install windows XP?

      Let's assume we need all of a 650Meg ISO image to instal Windows XP. That's 650x1024^2 or 681,574,400 byes. A standard Hollerith punch card can hold 80 bytes, so we need 8,519,680 cards.

      Big assumption here, if someone has better data please chime in - but I'm going to assume 75 Hollerith cards stack to one inch, so we're talking 113,596 or so inches worth of cards, 9,466 feet.

      Assuming a semi trailer is 28 feet long, that's 338 stacks. Which is as far as I'm going to take it, but it's not a full truckload.

      However one should never underestimate the bandwidth of a truckload of tapes.

    2. Re:Illustrations by bobcat7677 · · Score: 1

      I was thinking pickup trucks. But anyway, still seems silly to have to use a common carrier to deliver the installation software for your operating system:P

    3. Re:Illustrations by Monte · · Score: 1

      You're right, of course - back in my day we'd the punch the contents of paper hex dumps through the front panel of the processor LIKE REAL MEN, and we enjoyed it, by God.

      And we didn't use those puny 5 1/4" floppies, no, our disks were EIGHT BIG INCHES!

      [insert Tim Allen grunts]

    4. Re:Illustrations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gotta love the hair on the picture of the chic

      Uh, there are pictures of computers and you are watching girl-pictures? What kind of a nerd are you?

    5. Re:Illustrations by cr0sh · · Score: 1

      Standard Hollerith punch cards were 80 columns by 25 rows - so, if each of your "bytes" were 25 bits long (actually, lets just call them words with a bit-length of 25). I think (not sure) they were 25 bits long to represent 3 real bytes with a parity bit for checksums (?)...

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    6. Re:Illustrations by EpsCylonB · · Score: 1

      Your a geek.

    7. Re:Illustrations by Monte · · Score: 3, Funny

      Your a geek.

      What about my a geek?

      (I'm a grammar nazi, too.)

    8. Re:Illustrations by philolaus · · Score: 1

      /me gets out measuring tape...

      it's approximately 50 cards to a centimeter.

      1704 m tall stack by 0.182 m long by 0.082 m wide is about 25.43 cubic meters (873 cubic feet). Fits nicely in a big U-Haul.


      Drive carefully.

    9. Re:Illustrations by cr0sh · · Score: 1

      Ignore the above - I was notified on another post of my error - punch cards were 80 columns by 12 rows - and after a bit of reading, the way data is actually stored on a card is completely different from a bit pattern - each "column" actually stores a character of sorts - although I am not sure whether you can store a full byte value within a position or not...

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    10. Re:Illustrations by ikkedus · · Score: 1

      However, would I choose to use Hollerith cards, will Windows install any faster that it does now?

    11. Re:Illustrations by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      although I am not sure whether you can store a full byte value within a position or not...

      You can.
      Either in column binary or in EBCDIC
      I have once keypunched IBM/360 machine language into two cards which made a primitive hexloader which loaded the rest of the bootstrap. Once was enough.

    12. Re:Illustrations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're terrible at basic grammar.

    13. Re:Illustrations by cr0sh · · Score: 1

      Am I reading "column binary" right in that the 10-12 positions in a column are treated as a binary representation of data (or code, as the case may be)? I have no experience with a 360, but I do love vintage computer technology and history. What tells the system that a particular column is binary? Or - does the system assume at first that everything is binary until the code is fully loaded and run, and then the code can treat other cards however it wishes (seems like the logical approach)?

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    14. Re:Illustrations by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      The column binary is something like using rows 0 thru 7 (but I suspect they spread it out and do not use some of the inner rows).
      The entire card is read or punched in column binary mode, no mixing of column types within a single card. There might be some way to use a pair of bytes to read or write all the possibilities of 12 bits, but that's not something I would want to have anything to do with given any alternative. (If so, likely to be some kind of special card reader/punch)

  12. Re:The times, they are a-changin' by Monte · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Tapes were cheap (relatively), Winchester drives (ie, Hard Drives, Fixed Disks, DASD, etc) were expensive. Like $500/meg expensive.

    But then a meg was a lot of space back then... because pr0n was all really low-resultion stuff that came out on line printers.

    Ok, who's going to be first to post a link to line-printer pr0n? :)

  13. Second that! by imsabbel · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wanted to get the link to the old article, only to realizs just HOW RETARTED ./s search fuction really is. My guess is it doesnt actually search, but randomly choses articles, and the search term seeds the rendom number generator

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    1. Re:Second that! by Neil+Blender · · Score: 1

      The search is completely weak if you search for more than one word. You have to search for an uncommon word that you know was in the summary. Try 1979 and you find it (this story, the dupe is third in the list.) By the way, search engines are very complex so what do expect here?

    2. Re:Second that! by nn5ks · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Helps make it difficult to find dupes...

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    3. Re:Second that! by oberondarksoul · · Score: 4, Informative

      I gave up on Slashdot's search ages ago - try using Google instead. Using "site:slashdot.org" then the search term usually works wonders.

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    4. Re:Second that! by kesuki · · Score: 1

      yeah /'.s search is only useful for dupe articles from 2-3 days ago, which google may not yet have ranked properly yet. anything older, requires google.. but google then ranks the most popular stories higher, but the advanced search can narrow it down nicely if they're giving too many results..

    5. Re:Second that! by Will2k_is_here · · Score: 1

      You are thinking of this page.

      If the slashdot search was worth a damn, a simple search for similar terms would prevent dupes. Hell, one could automate that like bugzilla does. But we'd lose the chance to be the first to claim "dupe!"

    6. Re:Second that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you were spelling it wrong? You seem to have a propensity for replacing D's with T's, so it may be that you have other spelling problems.

      Unless you really meant to write "retarted". What exactly is re-tarting though? Replacement of a pie filling?

  14. In the future... by the_sidewinder · · Score: 1

    Computers with touch screens, Woooo!

    Must get into that feild!

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    1. Re:In the future... by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 1

      porn + computers with touch screens? hmmmm. Must remember to bring gloves when fixing some else's computer then.

  15. l337 by razathorn · · Score: 2, Funny

    If I went back in time with my old 266 laptop and spoke leet speak... I'd get all the compu-hotties.

  16. How Slashdot works...The Dupe! by toupsie · · Score: 4, Funny


    10 STORY = "How Computers Work -- Circa 1979"
    20 POST STORY
    30 SLEEP RAND(TIME)
    40 GOTO 20

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    1. Re:How Slashdot works...The Dupe! by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

      It beats a lot of the other methods in common use today!

      If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck: Vote for it!

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    2. Re:How Slashdot works...The Dupe! by bobcat7677 · · Score: 1

      Wow! I had no idea the slashdot site was written in quick basic. I'm going to go check out the slashcode site now. I have to see this!

      [Yes, I know...but I had to post something like this this week. One must maintain balance of carma :D ]

    3. Re:How Slashdot works...The Dupe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      it would have been more like:
      10 LET STORY$ = "How Computers Work -- Circa 1979"
      20 POST STORY$
      30 FOR I = 1 to 100000:
      40 GOTO 20
      its like php turned upside down... and nobody would have called "sleep" in 1979 except one of those hippies at xerox parc...
    4. Re:How Slashdot works...The Dupe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, spot the bitter guy who put his back out trying to wrench a sword out of a stone...

    5. Re:How Slashdot works...The Dupe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      50 profit
      60 rem -- notice how we never reach 50
    6. Re:How Slashdot works...The Dupe! by hexed_2050 · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's not a correct assumption. You saw the punch cards. They said COBOL on them.

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    7. Re:How Slashdot works...The Dupe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume you meant:

      If it weighs the same as a duck it's made of wood.

      And therefore... a Witch!

    8. Re:How Slashdot works...The Dupe! by ncc74656 · · Score: 2, Funny
      10 STORY = "How Computers Work -- Circa 1979"
      20 POST STORY
      30 SLEEP RAND(TIME)
      40 GOTO 20

      ]RUN

      ?TYPE MISMATCH ERROR IN 10
      ]

      (Hey, somebody had to post it...)

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    9. Re:How Slashdot works...The Dupe! by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1
      In Quick Basic, it would look something like this:
      Story$ = "How Computers Work -- Circa 1979"
      loop.start:
      PRINT Story$
      SLEEP RAND(3600 * 48)
      GOTO loop.start
      Not sure SLEEP is correct...the students I tutor don't need delays in their homework. The fact that they come to me is evidence of enough delay already...
    10. Re:How Slashdot works...The Dupe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Voyager fan, eh?

  17. Co-incidence? by mccalli · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Check out those pictures of hot data-processing chixors! Man, 70s era DP babes. Be still, my heart.

    At the time of writing, the quote at the bottom of the page is:
    "To be loved is very demoralizing. -- Katharine Hepburn"

    I think I'm beginning to get what she meant. Mind you, as I pointed out the first time this was posted, they do seem to have Emma Peel working for them.

    Cheers,
    Ian

  18. Just wait 25 more years by mfloy · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I think in 25 more years things will be even more drastically changed. We are reaching the end of the transister, and the next tech is going to be even more impressive.

    1. Re:Just wait 25 more years by HCIdivision17 · · Score: 1

      Imagine: Childrens books outlining how qbits work and why room temperture superconducting cables allow the child's wallpaper to interact with him or her in real-time.

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    2. Re:Just wait 25 more years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I think in *50* more years things will be even MORE drastically changed! We will be reaching the end of that thingy that replaced the transister [transistor?] and the next tech is going to be even MORE impressive!

      [sits back and waits for accolades]

      Insightful?!? Geeezzzz....

    3. Re:Just wait 25 more years by kesuki · · Score: 1

      pshaw, i can't wait until universe's mass has been converted into a nano computer, capapble of running a (near) perfect simulation of the universe...

    4. Re:Just wait 25 more years by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hey moderators... where's the insight here? I'm not seeing it...

      I also love posts that say things like "reaching the end of the transister" without giving any sort of reference or even half-decent argument for that.

      We're nearing the end of this comment.

    5. Re:Just wait 25 more years by fr1kk · · Score: 1

      See, I think its funny how they even thought of how a computer works. They say in the book "in the future computers will be able to handle more jobs". It isnt really talking in terms of speed, but complications. ie: computers of the future wont computer faster, but computer more complex things.

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    6. Re:Just wait 25 more years by mr_jrt · · Score: 1

      Sometimes I like to think that maybe, just maybe, the universe itself could just be a computer, calculating what would happen if a big bang were to occur ;)

      Strikes me that the only way to accuratly simulate every sub-atomic particle would itself require all of the aformentioned particles to have enough precision...

      Then I think, despite being scientific in nature that concept is dangeriously close to religion, so I then think of something else equally pointless :)

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    7. Re:Just wait 25 more years by mfloy · · Score: 1

      I just figured everyone on this site was already aware of the difficulties and limitations of transistor technology, and that most new research is geared at replacing the transistor. I just assumed that tech people would be well aware of the current tech industry.

    8. Re:Just wait 25 more years by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      There's a lot of difficulties and limitations in pretty much everything, but that doesn't mean it's on the way out. People have been aware of the difficulties and limitations of analog TV for decades, but it's not on the way out until 2009, and that's assuming that date doesn't get pushed back again. Look at the difficulties and limitations of gas-powered cars, but that doesn't mean that biodiesel, ethanol, or hydrogen cars are right around the corner.

      In any case, even if you had some kind of evidence to back up your claim that transistors are on the way out, your comment still wasn't insightful... it's the same comment we've seen a thousand times in almost every technology-related topic.

  19. Would've been caught but..... by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 1

    That subscriber bonus 15 mins somehow didn't work. So Dupe and BUG both at the same time. My Beastie Boys background music agrees with me.

  20. Are people still interested by Zane+Hopkins · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It seems nowdays with computers being so commonplace that most folk are just not interested in 'how computers work' anymore. Thats certainly what I see when I get called round to fix peoples machines. They just want them to work.

    Perhaps we /.'s are evolving out of existance?

    1. Re:Are people still interested by kesuki · · Score: 1

      Are people still interested in how nuclear reactors work?

      Average people aren't intersted in anything geeky. they just want to move on with life. they don't care to know anythinng.

      [note: this is a little rambling, but it's tangential]

      That's why Bill Gates Is so scared. If linux can work better than windows, people will just want linux 'because it works.' Mac OSX has already seriously helped apple become acceptedby mainstream users. How long til a vendor like dell realizes that they could roll thier own OS distro based off some BSD or linux distro, and polish it to work with their models for less than buying windows licences? What if they realize the low virus incident rate would be a selling point on thier 'low end' non gaming system.. all it needs to do is internet, movies, and burning... it's already such a stripped down box that gaming on it is a joke. The reason why they can't is because microsoft has made a lot of illegal moves to prevent big vendors from doing exactly that.

    2. Re:Are people still interested by Cygnus78 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps we /.'s are evolving out of existance?

      That depend on how much we mate.

  21. Too bad for us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since only the 5 kings of Europe own computers these days

  22. November Deja Vu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Considering that Taco's original department was "doomed-to-repeat-ourselves dept" it only seems appropriate that they would rerun this one...

  23. when this was first issued ...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    the British Ministry of Defence ordered a print run of about 20,000 in plain covers to issue to soldiers as an explanation of how computers worked.
    It was a pretty succinct explanation for neophytes

  24. copying idiots by tverbeek · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    It never ceases to amaze me that people (such as the operator of that site) will reproduce something, and include a prominent copyright notice for the original publisher: "Copyright © Ladybird Books Ltd, 1971, 1979, not to be reproduced without permission of Ladybird Books Ltd."

    Or in other words, "Don't do what I just did."

    I'm not trying to argue one side of the copyright debate or the other here, but please choose a position and be consistent about it: either you respect the copyright (in which case you don't put these books on the web without permission in the first place) or you don't respect it (in which case you leave off the notice lecturing people not to do it).

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    1. Re:copying idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if he had obtained permission to do so ? Would that make you the idiot ?

    2. Re:copying idiots by ebcdic · · Score: 1

      Wrong, the 25 years is just copyright in the layout of a work. If you published an edition of Charles Dickens no-one could publish an exact copy for 25 years. But if you publish a new work, copyright in the UK lasts 70 years after you die.

    3. Re:copying idiots by Lotharus · · Score: 1

      How do you know he didn't have permission? Perhaps the copyright claim was part of an agreement between him and Ladybird (or whoever holds the copyright now) in order to have said permission.

  25. I've got this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    My slightly scuffed copy of the late 70s edition has a proud place on my computer bookshelf, along with a lot of blue ORA Perl books, some XP, Secrets and Lies, Crash!, Northcutt & Novak's "Intrusion Detection", "Repelling the Wily Hacker", K&R, 'Essential Sysadmin' and other essential tomes.. and my first ever computer books: the 1982 Microcomputer Diary, and Melbourne House "Spectrum Machine Language for the Absolute Beginner".

    Yes, I am a proud member of the UK's own Association of Sad Bastards.

  26. I had a similar experience by B11 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    When I was sorting through my junk in the garage, I found a volume of a 1986 world book encyclopedia, which had the computer article in it. Old school all the way, describing "expensive color graphics" and "costly, permanent, hard disk drives." It was amazing to see see how much progess was made in the span of 2 decades. The encyclopedia was describing memory in terms of kb, although I forgot how much memory it listed as being ideal or "fast." The tips it had on purchasing a computer still mostly apply today though.

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    insert inflammatory anti-microsoft comment here
  27. Chindren's book by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The funny (sad?) part is that this "children's book" is more advanced in many ways than some of my CS intro classes were 7 years ago (and some people still failed out!)

    People getting dumber? Nah.. can't be!

    1. Re:Chindren's book by feronti · · Score: 1

      Wait... they actually failed people out? There are a number of people here that I can't figure out how they passed enough classes to get into the higher level ones. I'm beginning to think that no one fails. I've even had difficulty failing classes that, for all intents and purposes, I was trying to fail.

    2. Re:Chindren's book by madprof · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually it is an indication of just how high quality Ladybird books were. My mother bought us loads of them because she believed in the educational value of them and in quite a few cases they really were very good.
      This is a case in point.

    3. Re:Chindren's book by rnelsonee · · Score: 1
      Reminds me of the Model T owner's manual. Things seem so complicated then, even though it's actually the other way around (in a sense, it's a testament to how user-friendly things have gotten).

      The manual.

      An excerpt - how to adjust the crank shaft

    4. Re:Chindren's book by brunes69 · · Score: 1

      The only real difference is noawadays you have to spend an extra 30 bucks and buy the Haynes auto repair manual for your car to get that info - back then it was free.

  28. Slashdot Book. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we get a book on how Slashdot works? because I have no fscking clue. Damn dupes.

    1. Re:Slashdot Book. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Informative

      Can we get a book on how Slashdot works? because I have no fscking clue.

      Sure! http://sourceforge.net/projects/slashcode/
      It's not a book, but what the heck.

    2. Re:Slashdot Book. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A better source for what you want is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdot

  29. The rate of progress by 91degrees · · Score: 1

    It's nice to look at the changes between 1971 and 1979. Clearly there were a lot of aspects of the book that looked ancient after 8 years of progress. Punch cards had been replaced by VDUs. Presumably magnetic drums were no longer used for storage by 1979, and would have been seen as outdated as a 5.25 inch floppy disk.

    Makes me feel progress has slowed. The difference between a modern PC and one from 8 years ago is simply speed and storage.

    1. Re:The rate of progress by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      Punch cards had been replaced by VDUs. Presumably magnetic drums were no longer used for storage by 1979, and would have been seen as outdated as a 5.25 inch floppy disk.

      Wrong. We used punch cards at most medium sized colleges and universities for data entry until at least 1985. And 5.25 floppy disks were common until about that time - think the 3.5 floppy didn't gain ground until the military bought them in bulk for our laptops [which cost more than a house]. Those laptops were very very heavy.

      The difference nowadays is the speed of the internet and the wireless connection. The rest is pretty meaningless.

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    2. Re:The rate of progress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference nowadays is the speed of the internet and the wireless connection. The rest is pretty meaningless.

      Man, every time you open your mouth your IQ drops a couple of points, doesn't it? Yeah, the increase in speed and storage over the last 8 years is "pretty meaningless."

    3. Re:The rate of progress by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Oh, I don't know. The last 8 years isn't too bad.

      Burning CDs to burning DVDs for storage; Blu-ray if you're cutting edge.

      Solid state memory (flash cards) going from esoteric to cheaper than bubble-gum.

      The internet, or more specifically, broadband (vs dialup).

      Floppies were still commonplace in 1997, yet many computers now don't even come with a floppy drive.

      Did they have beowolf clusters back then? (sorry, couldn't resist)

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    4. Re:The rate of progress by corngrower · · Score: 1

      Not quite. There are these USB ports on the 'puter nowdays. Also there's a difference in how the CPU's work, with all their branch prediction logic. The graphics cards these days are much faster as well. And, the old 3 1/2" diskette is almost history, replaced by the USB flash devices and CD-RW or DVD-RW.

      The appearance of the box hasn't changed all that much. And the devices that we use to interact with the computer have changed basically very little.

      Changes happen, they just aren't as obvious. I expect to see a lot of smaller form factor desktop PC's coming out in the next several years.

    5. Re:The rate of progress by WhyCause · · Score: 1

      AND 8 years ago, drooling over Natalie Portman was icky!

    6. Re:The rate of progress by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      >we used punch cards

      We used paper tape (actually, mylar tape, same reader) to boot a DEC as recently as 1994. I left that shop, but they might still be using it :-)

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    7. Re:The rate of progress by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      We used paper tape (actually, mylar tape, same reader) to boot a DEC as recently as 1994.

      I remember printing on the graph plotter, and playing Star Trek on an LED strip, from punch cards, and then later we got mylar tape.

      Remember the toggles on the front of the machines? You actually would read some of the original light displays to see what it was doing.

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    8. Re:The rate of progress by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      Damn. I'm getting too old for this shit.

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  30. The Starfleet History by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This reminds me of a book my mom bought me maybe 10 years ago: 20th Century Computers and How They Worked: The Official Starfleet History of Computers.

    It was a very interesting way to learn about technology at my age (what was I, like 12?) especially as a Trekkie, since the author compares "old" 20th-Century technology to "Current" Starfleet technology. It was very well done, I recommend picking up a copy (no, there are no affiliate links in there).

  31. Yes, real progress ... by foobsr · · Score: 1

    ... and the ultimate advancement came when the mouse was introduced, forcing right handed people to use their more developed instrument (fitted to perform complex movements like writing) to press buttons. Sic(k)!

    CC.

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  32. That's when I bought my first Apple II+ by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    think it was January 1980.

    Had to get a loan to buy it from HFC ...

    Before had built S-100 bus computers, which we soldered the boards for ourselves, and we liked it.

    I made a hacker's version of my Apple II+, taking the base 64K and expanding it to 172K with a slot RAM board, and dual floppies I hand-adjusted the speed on - using an oscilloscope, the only way to fly, after running thru the numbers on my slide rule. I had the cool triangle core slide rule.

    Made a boot disk with the BASIC programs I wrote, and some assembler ones, which I loaded into my RAM disk so they would run 1000 times faster than if I loaded them from disk, and used the second drive for the read/write disk for file input/output.

    My Apple screamed - made all the Commodore and Tandy's that came to the neighborhood look sick - even after I rewrote their programs to run faster and not have bugs.

    And I commented my code back then, which was heresy, but really helped a lot. Everyone else relied on cryptic variable names, but I knew how they were stored, so I could get away with murder.

    Ah, the bad old days. We cheered when 300 baud came out, cause everyone was using 110 baud [that's 0.3K modem speed, and I'm using Gigabit Internet here at the UW right now, and get 33Mbps with my laptop at home].

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    1. Re:That's when I bought my first Apple II+ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and yet... you still haven't gotten laid yet, right?

    2. Re:That's when I bought my first Apple II+ by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      172K of ram... in a system with a 16-bit bus? You want to rethink that? And what is "slot ram"? Ram only came in one form back then [in consumer quantities] and that was DIP.

      Hand tuned a floppy drive with an oscilloscope? ... how and what the fuck for?

      I might have believed you had you also mentioned "Realigned the state matrix to get more tetreon emissions" or something...

      Tom

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    3. Re:That's when I bought my first Apple II+ by DarkVader · · Score: 1

      I think he's likely telling the truth.

      172K is divisible by 4, and the Apple II used 4K chips back then. It's not a 16 bit bus, it's 8 bit, and you couldn't access all the RAM at once, it had to be bank-switched.

      By "slot RAM" he meant that the motherboard couldn't hold that much RAM, and it was added in a card in one of the slots.

      I've never done a floppy adjustment with an oscilloscope, but I would imagine it would be a bit more precise than the standard method of using the hash marks in a room with fluorescent lights and watching the patterns while you turned the speed control pot. The spindle flywheel was printed with two patterns, one at 50Hz and one at 60Hz, so you could align it in the US or Europe.

    4. Re:That's when I bought my first Apple II+ by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      Actually the 6502 which ran the Apple II was a 8-bit processor with a 16-bit address bus [do some reading].

      Tom

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    5. Re:That's when I bought my first Apple II+ by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      172K of ram... in a system with a 16-bit bus? You want to rethink that? And what is "slot ram"? Ram only came in one form back then [in consumer quantities] and that was DIP.

      Yup. I had 64K on the main and 172K total - which works out to two 64K memory slots, enough to cycle thru the window.

      Why? because you run your programs in the lower RAM but run the RAM disk in the upper RAM.

      Which is still 1000 times faster than disk access.

      Which back then was floppy for the Apple II series.

      Hand tuned a floppy drive with an oscilloscope? ... how and what the fuck for?

      Original floppy drives used to drift between, say 95 and 125 cycles, so you'd use the potentiometer to adjust the speed to hit the sweet spot your system used - it decreased the error rate, especially on the outside tracks.

      Just because you're not old enough to have done that, doesn't mean we didn't.

      I'll give you a hint - watch That 70's Show - that's EXACTLY how old I was during the year on the license plate of each episode.

      We used slide rules, because TI calculators were too darned expensive.

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    6. Re:That's when I bought my first Apple II+ by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      Actually the 6502 which ran the Apple II was a 8-bit processor with a 16-bit address bus

      Still have it in my basement, after five moves, a marriage, and a kid who's now a 1337 46XX06 who Wikihacks when he's bored.

      I remember when the 6502c chip came out. We were excited at the time. Then I learned 8088 and 8086 Assembler so i could do IBM PCs and their ilk.

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    7. Re:That's when I bought my first Apple II+ by WebCowboy · · Score: 1

      172K of ram... in a system with a 16-bit bus?

      16-bit ADDRESS bus and 8-bit DATA bus to be exact. And yes more than 64K is doable on such a system (172K seems a bit odd-sized though--192K would make more sense as that is exactly 3 64K banks). The CPU just needs a bit of help is all. It's called BANK SWITCHING and it was common in those days. Essentially multiple banks of memory would be wired to the same address lines, then the output enable pins would be wired to be active at different times depending on a register. That's how my Z-80 based Coleco ADAM could work with up to 4096K--in assembler you use an OUT instruction to set a register to set which little piece of that you want to use (I think it was actually 2 32K banks or 4 16K banks you could select).

      Bank-switching was a bit awkward because you couldn't "see" all the memory at once (you certainly couldn't do anything like calling outside of your current memory segment reliably) but you could do a lot with all that memory nonetheless (mmmm...ram disk)

      Hand tuned a floppy drive with an oscilloscope? ... how and what the fuck for?

      Well, specifically with a system like the II+ such a thing was quite possible. I used II+ machines at school as a youngster but I am not that familiar with that hardware. However I know that Apple peripherals were "dumb" (not in a bad way--just very elegant and simple from a hardware standpoint but very reliant on programming). IIRC the timing of the floppy was very closely related to the system clock of the computer, so if you could get the drive to spin EXACTLY the right speed it could read a track in the correct number of CPU cycles all the time. If it was "out of sync" you'd get read errors (kind of like "buffer overruns" and "underruns"). I'm guessing that is where the 'scope came in--comparing the pulses from the rotating drive with system clock signals so they matched up right.

      My systems of choice were Atari XL and Coleco ADAM which had serially-connected "intelligent" peripherals that were rather less sensitive to timing. Less hacker-friendly however. Anyways, compared to today's machines even they were blissfully simple. Even though those machines couldn't do as much it sure was nice to actually know HOW they worked. Oh yeah--and even though the ADAM had a reputation for being "very buggy" when it was first released, the final "R80" revision machines were quite fine--and even the original "very buggy" machines crashed far less often than Windows--and I never had a virus on any of the 8-bit machines I ever owned...ever.

      those were the days...

    8. Re:That's when I bought my first Apple II+ by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      6502 perhaps... 68xx series were cooler. Specially the 6809 with it's fully featured indexing modes ;-) oooh dat sexy.

      Actually my first real love in the MCU world was the Atmel AVR series. A real cpu with horrible memory limitations. An engineers dream ;-)

      Tom

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    9. Re:That's when I bought my first Apple II+ by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      6502 perhaps... 68xx series were cooler. Specially the 6809 with it's fully featured indexing modes ;-) oooh dat sexy.

      I remember reading about the 68000 when it first came out, used to delve into the tech specs for what seemed like months ... probably why I bought a Mac at that time (hacker version, dual floppy, external fast SCSI hard drive with twice the disk storage and faster than the internel HD).

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  33. So what's changed? by gvc · · Score: 1

    The book describes magnetic core which was pretty well obsolete in 1971. It describes CPU, disk, and tape that have become smaller and faster, but that's about it. The monumental developments in programming languages - object-oriented, functional programming, concurrent programming - were in the past. Ditto for file systems, data structures, and operating systems.

    If you learned computer architecture back then, you wouldn't have much difficulty with today. Not like the man-frozen-in-the-glacier movie scenario at all.

    The development that wasn't even a gleam in the eye of computer scientists of the day is networking.

    1. Re:So what's changed? by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      The book describes magnetic core which was pretty well obsolete in 1971.

      And ironically, magnetic memory comes back with nanotech. What's even more ironic, is that hard disks, which haven't changed much, WILL become obsolete in the future.

    2. Re:So what's changed? by RollTissue · · Score: 0
      If you learned computer architecture back then, you wouldn't have much difficulty with today.

      Agreed! But still...

      FTA: As many as thirty components can now be fitted into a capsule approximately one-third of a cubic centimetre in volume...

      I would imagine you could fit the entire room (page 2) of machines hardware and processing power inside a laptop or even a PDA.

    3. Re:So what's changed? by lotusdriver · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Magnetic core memory was still being used as the sole memory medium in the mid 90's for a centralised process control system I worked on. It was a legacy ICL (UK) mainframe system from the early 70's adapted for realtime data acquisition and control but was kept going - it was actually quite reliable, until two more generations of equipment had been rolled out in the rest of the company and a rationalisation of regional control locations had been made. Due to a few problems in the new systems development and some logistical problems it remained in service around 10 years after it should have been replaced. In total it had a few (single digit) kilobytes spread over about 10 boards around 12 inches square. The power requirement was huge though - in the order of a few kW. It was very crude even by the standards of the first computer I ever worked on - a SWTP (South West Technical Products) 6800 in late 1979.

    4. Re:So what's changed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Magnetic core memory was still being used as the sole memory medium in the mid 90's for a centralised process control system I worked on.

      In the late 80's, I was lucky enough to witness magnetic core memory being used in an anti aircraft missile system. Interestingly, this system was booted from tape, but the tape was metal. It would be a sad state of affairs if such a system failed because the boot media ripped when it was most needed.

  34. Sad by Random+BedHead+Ed · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just looked up this article because I recognized it as a dupe, and found that it goes back to November of 2004. There were only 20ish comments about the article, so I thought I'd be the first person who noticed. I was wrong. At least five people had already posted their dupe spottings, and the number is probably rising.

    So I thought, what are the odds of my recognizing a dupe from eight months ago? Or of anyone else recognizing it? And then I realized - they're pretty high. I just discovered that I don't tend to miss Slashdot stories, ever, because if I'm away from the site for an extended period I usually scan backwards and browse the recent days, at least to get the basic ideas of the articles if not to go in-depth. In short, I've missed nothing here. Not in a long time. And I'm starting to wonder what that says about my life.

    How long do we spend on this site? How much of our lives is lost to this pursuit? What would happen if I didn't come to this site tomorrow, and on Wednesday I ignore the Yesterday articles? Am I capable of this? A Tuesday without Slashdot? Would I suffer from any withdrawal symptoms? Because I'm scared, but I think it's important enough to try.

    1. Re:Sad by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      dude, call a shrink.
      I think it may actually be needed in this case :)
      -nB

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  35. doomed-to-repeat-ourselves by justplainchips · · Score: 1

    Dupe, dupe, dupe. We all know, but I find it interesting the Taco predicted this dupe by the dept. he put the story in.

  36. Slashdot reading skills are still abysmal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    State-of-the-art in 1971 consisted of fitting thirty components into a 1 cm3 volume.

    Whereas the article says, "As many as thirty components can now be fitted into a capsule approximately one-third of a cubic centimetre in volume."

    i.e., "1/3 cm3" not "1"

  37. "from the doomed-to-repeat-ourselves dept." by Slayback · · Score: 1

    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/12/131204 &tid=133
    I bet they didn't know how true that'd be when they wrote it.

  38. But, but, by Hawthorne01 · · Score: 2, Funny

    There's no mention of Windows(tm) anywhere! How do computers work without Windows?

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    1. Re:But, but, by Linker3000 · · Score: 3, Funny

      How do computers work without Windows?

      Better.

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    2. Re:But, but, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is only one answer to your question:
      Better... much, much better...

    3. Re:But, but, by Crystalmonkey · · Score: 1

      Very Well.

  39. How Rockets Work by lotho+brandybuck · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Now all we need to do is get the book, "How Rockets Work" and give it to NASA.. I want to get back to the moon! Seriously, I wonder what it would take to rebuild the Saturn 5 program and send the rest of the ISS up in one or two big shots, instead of 20 little shuttle trips. Could we build a 60's era rocket in less time and with less risk than launching 20 space shuttles?

    1. Re:How Rockets Work by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      Seriously, I wonder what it would take to rebuild the Saturn 5 program and send the rest of the ISS up in one or two big shots, instead of 20 little shuttle trips.
      Money. Money in semi-trailer sized lots. Enough money to make the Shuttle look cheap by comparison.
    2. Re:How Rockets Work by trailerparkcassanova · · Score: 1

      No, a better subject would be "How Things Get Done" or "How Not To Do Things". Today, time and money is consumed by overhead; IWDs, training, waiting for approvals etc. which leaves little time and money for the actual work. Back then nearly everyone on the project was a contributor. Today it's about one in four.

  40. Damn... 1971... by proxy2 · · Score: 1

    Nowadays it's hard to imagine that all operators are girls :)

  41. Dupe or not... by Cylix · · Score: 1

    Might as well add my 2 cents...

    This book looks completely stupid... I have no idea who the intended audience was at the time, but I don't know if it was normal people.

    Anyhow, I have manuals from 1977 for equipment I use today. (Actually the equipment was built in 77 and I think it was around a bit before then).

    It's nothing quite like that, but pretty standard stuff for the industry. Things like how it works, diagnostics, troubleshootings, maintenance and EVERY SCHEMATIC you would need to fix it. (which is every schematic in the unit).

    Pretty flippin handy... I just wish they made all books like transmitter docs.

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  42. Computer legitimacy and toys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I don't think I ever read this book (born in 1970), but flipping through the pages, it makes me realize what computers still mean to my folks; batch cards, mag tapes, green-n-white printouts.

    Therein lies the rub; to my folks, any computer that can be fit in a single box and doesn't live in a raised-floor room, is a toy. It's actually very black and white for them..."yes it's all very nice what those toys can do for the movies, but it takes a *computer* to process GE's payroll."

    It also reminds me of when a friend of mine brought his dad in to work to show him what he did. His dad was a serious old school programmer for custom chips for Navy jets. He looked it too...checkered shirt, crew cut, pocket protector (first time I'd ever seen one). My friend shows him the *cough* Powerbuilder app we'd be working on, with its buttons and datawindows, etc., and his dad just went *pft* and waved his hand.

    The fact that I can run emulators of any of those systems and they run 10x faster has never made a dent in my folks opinion. As far as they can see, and as far as my friend's dad can see, we're just playing with toys.

    Anyone else had that happen?

    1. Re:Computer legitimacy and toys by s000t · · Score: 0

      I didn't know they had Computers for Dummies in the 70s. Maybe we haven't come so far after all.

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    2. Re:Computer legitimacy and toys by fishbowl · · Score: 1


      >we're just playing with toys.

      His toys were part of Navy Jets. Your toys are part of middle management.

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  43. DP, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Man, 70s era DP babes. Be still, my heart.

    Brother, double-penetration is hot, no matter what the era.

  44. One Square Centimeter? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

    Luxury! Back in my day, we had to wear roller skates to get around our computer.

    But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't believe you...

  45. Can't anybody program in BASIC anymore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need this:

    35 next I

    Otherwise, your "for" loop will never increment. As written, your program will post dupes as fast as the CPU can run... but still slower than Taco.

    1. Re:Can't anybody program in BASIC anymore? by Monte · · Score: 1

      Furthermore I'd point out that a for/next loop will not "sleep" the processor - ie, give up time to other processes. It will instead hog all CPU until the loop is finished.

      AND using a set number in a for/next loop is a bad idea anyhow, given vagarities in processor speed, OS overhead and whatnot - much better to use the RTC, along these lines:

      StartTime=Timer
      while Timer-StartTime<30 'While fewer than 30 seconds have passed...
      application.processmessages 'or whatever the BASIC specific command would be
      wend

      Of course, this fails on midnight rollover, but I'll leave that as an exercise for the student.

      Set phasers to "pedant".

    2. Re:Can't anybody program in BASIC anymore? by funkyfreshcoderdude · · Score: 1

      Set phasers to tool.

    3. Re:Can't anybody program in BASIC anymore? by nick-less · · Score: 1
      StartTime=Timer
      while Timer-StartTime<30 'While fewer than 30 seconds have passed...
      application.processmessages 'or whatever the BASIC specific command would be
      wend
      Sorry, I'm confused, were we talking about 70th style Basic hacking or 90th style Windows programing?
    4. Re:Can't anybody program in BASIC anymore? by Lotharus · · Score: 1

      I don't think there's any BASIC routine that really sleeps, in today's multithreading context. Remember that BASIC was originated long before threads were anything more than clothing material...

  46. They are obeying the law. by reality-bytes · · Score: 3, Informative
    According to the UK govt copyright office:

    Copyright in a published edition expires 25 years from the end of the year in which the edition was first published.


    So apparently, this work by virtue of being copyright 1971 and 1979 is actually copyright expired.

    Here is the page I refer to: LINK
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    1. Re:They are obeying the law. by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      If it's in the public domain, then don't put a freakin' copyright notice on it! How hard is this to grasp?

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    2. Re:They are obeying the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a "published edition", it's a "literary work", for which the term is the European Union standard life+70 and they're in flagrant violation unless they have obtained permission. See that page you linked. The "published edition" rule is for things that are not otherwise protected - for instance, if you publish a new edition of Shakespeare's plays, the plays are not under copyright themselves, but whatever original typesetting and so on you might have done is covered by copyright for 25 years.

    3. Re:They are obeying the law. by reality-bytes · · Score: 2, Informative

      AFAIK, at least in the UK, putting in the *original* copyright notice is 'proof' that the published work's copyright is expired.

      How this relates to the literary work (longer copyright duration) is anyone's guess but you'll notice these are scans of the 'typsetting'.

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    4. Re:They are obeying the law. by blackjackshellac · · Score: 1

      Man, you need to take a fucking chill pill.

      Read up on computers in the 70s. It was a simpler time.

      Not really, it was a drunken time, but that's another story.

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      Jacques

  47. DUPE DUPE DUPE by Anonym1ty · · Score: 1

    This is so dupe... I read these whole books on-line over a year ago from a link on /.

  48. Re:The times, they are a-changin' by ttldkns · · Score: 3, Informative

    meeee!!

    Today you will be oggling Roxanne

    what i posted first now what do i win? ;)

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  49. Time-Life 1989 Understanding Computers by JoshuaDFranklin · · Score: 1

    If you like that, you might also enjoy the 1989 Time-Life Understanding Computers series. They actually have very good explanations and in-depth essays about the state of computers at that time. You can pick them up cheap on eBay.

  50. The sad thing by DarthVeda · · Score: 1

    The sad thing is I do believe I read this as a textbook in gradeschool...

    ...in 1994!

    1. Re:The sad thing by PagosaSam · · Score: 1

      The really, really sad thing is I read this book in high school in '71! I feel so old...

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  51. This document is what is wrong with information... by dynemo · · Score: 1

    ...technology. No wonder we have so many worms, viri and other malware proliferating on our networks. For some reason, this person RECOMMENDS NOT installing service packs and enabling the event viewer. Next thing you know, he will want my IP address just to download the document ;)

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  52. Re:The times, they are a-changin' by Monte · · Score: 1

    what i posted first now what do i win?

    The sound of my hearty laughter, and my gratitude: I have now bookmarked "asciipr0n.com".

    Double points if you can find some EBCDIC pr0n :)

  53. Left Behind by poind3xt3r · · Score: 1

    I must be out of the loop because my computer resembles nothing like this. Probably are high end government main frames.

  54. Wow! I had that book as a kid. by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's amazing how some of those images are burnt into my brain. But that was a fine book. It's audience was young kids (all Ladybird books where) and yet it discusses binary and CPU architecture. Of course the people who wrote that book were probably old men who were unaware of the revolution taking place around them. In bookshops we had old serious looking books full of Fortran and pictures of magnetic core memory and yet we we were already using machines with solid state RAM at home. It was as if serious computer professionals were in denial that those 'toys' were ever going to amount to anything.

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  55. Babbage cards in kilt weaving by Jim+Hall · · Score: 1

    Page 6 in the book talks about the Babbage punch card. This is off-topic from the OP, but Babbage punch cards were/are also used in other applications that just analytical machines. They are still used in weaving factories, for example.

    I own a kilt, and when I visited the weaver that made the kilt (Geoffrey(Tailor) in Edinburgh) they showed off their kilt weaving machine. It uses Babbage punch cards to control the action- load this color, weave, return, load other color, weave, return, ...

    (Well, I thought it was interesting.)

  56. Interesting... by Famanoran · · Score: 1

    I remember having a copy of both of those books... I probably still do...

    Pretty good reads, even though they were outdated when I was a kid...

  57. ID10T error... by dynemo · · Score: 1

    ...by me. I replied to the wrong post.

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  58. Here's hoping... by darkest_light · · Score: 1
    Now if I can only get that assigned as my Computer Architecture textbook next semester, I'm set...

    Seriously, I was most impressed that while the details have changed, so much of the information in the book is still very valid today. The explanation of registries, addresses, arithmetic, etc. is actually quite good. It's very impressive for a children's book.

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  59. Washing machines? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone else think washing machines?
    http://davidguy.brinkster.net/computer/1979/01.jpg

    1. Re:Washing machines? by Aslan72 · · Score: 1

      You know, they say a really good place to meet girls is laundromats....maybe the emma peel girls would process your whites for you...

      --PeteJ

      p.s. They looked like stoves to me.

  60. Awesome, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  61. Yay! by lennier · · Score: 1

    I grew up reading this book - both editions of it.

    Man was I confused when the 80s hit and I first started playing with micros (Commodore PET and BBC Micro). Where were the core memory and the disk packs? But I had 8K of RAM all to myself. Woohoo!

    Now my Palm Tungsten has a postage-sized removable plastic chip with half gig of flash RAM containing the entire English Wikipedia.

    I don't miss those days, actually.

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  62. ah memories by raist21 · · Score: 1

    I remember these well. My grandparents got me a set of them along with an old Apple IIe. And so began my lifelong treck into geekdom. These books were great. They basically told you how things worked from how ice was created to how electricity worked using a lightbulb, some old wire, a piece of wood and some aluminum foil. It's sad there aren't any books like this out for young kids anymore. "Or are there?"

    1. Re:ah memories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are how-to books, but the market for them has shrunk so much, these books are hard to find.

  63. This book was used for military training in the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I also have a copy of this book - and it's very different from the usual Ladybird offerings. It actually provides a good grounding in basic computer design, and is appropriate for 18 year olds, while most Ladybird books were aimed more at 10 year olds.

    I got a copy when I started working for MOD in the 80s - for a while it was the standard introductory training book for MOD staff starting on computers!

  64. Missing pages by nizo · · Score: 2, Funny

    The only thing missing from this manual is the picture of a crying/screaming user standing in a pile of unlabelled cards that he just spilled on the floor.

    1. Re:Missing pages by iphayd · · Score: 1

      No, what's missing the card taped to your mirror, with the words
      "Which one is it" written on it.

      Of course, there is none actually missing, but the mark doesn't know that.

  65. Light Pen! by techguy911 · · Score: 0

    I completely forgot about it, I used to use it all the time. I could draw directly on the screen, and the first GUI's used it too. But alas, like the moon, technology doesn't always go forward.

  66. OK so maybe it's a dupe by Trouble1313 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...But this is cool stuff. Look at the minidress the 'punchcard operator' is wearing. Holy Uhura Batman! Now that deserves an ESRB rating of 18+. As someone who hit 12 years old with 8 bit computers and remembers his parent bringing home one of the new WANG "laptops" (really, not bigger than todays laptops!) with like a 4 line LCD screen and built in 1200 baud acoustic coupler (1200 baud!!!! circa 1983) This brings back happy memories of the 8" floppy. With the movie Wargames out, this was the golden time to be a geek. Now I wasn't one of the uber l33t Altair types but I can still remember going to the local big box retailer of the area (Lechmere's around these parts...more than just a T station!) and seeing people queing up to try out the consumer grade computers. It just doesn't work that way anymore and I for one am a tad bummed about this. Call it nostalgia, call it what you will, but the mystique is gone and likely won't be back. -Trouble

  67. Perhaps future Nerds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps future nerds will look back upon the Slashdot of today as an example of how Dupes were once accomplished

  68. Thanks Great find! by mrnukem · · Score: 1

    Great find. Vintage computer buff here and I love this kind of stuff. Thanks!

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  69. *Gasp by neonenergy · · Score: 0

    Is that a beowulf cluster of WASHING MACHINES!!!!

  70. But it's ALWAYS been about speed and storage by cbreaker · · Score: 1

    The difference between Eniac and an Athlon 64 PC are .. speed and storage..

    It's what that extra speed and storage enables you to do - a lot of the great inventions and engineering in modern PC's are under the hood.

    Of course, there's more obvious things since Eniac, too. Cell phones are little computers. PDA's, wireless stuff, that big thing called the Internet.

    But you're talking 8 years. There's been a lot of new stuff in 8 years, on par to what that book mentions I'd say. Of course, we're past the "golden age" of when computers were first moving in, and recently we're all becoming used to the Internet (which wasn't all that much longer then 8 years ago when it started to boom, really.)

    It's easy to think that it hasn't changed much, but it's the little things you don't think about because they're so easy to take for granted.

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    1. Re:But it's ALWAYS been about speed and storage by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      The difference between Eniac and an Athlon 64 PC are .. speed and storage..

      There's quite a bit more difference than that. ENIAC wasn't a stored-program computer. Programming ENIAC involved a bit more work than just punching some keys; you had to basically rewire it (not the whole thing; just some cables between different functional units) to change what the computer did.

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    2. Re:But it's ALWAYS been about speed and storage by Monte · · Score: 1

      The difference between Eniac and an Athlon 64 PC are .. speed and storage..

      You might think differently if you were in charge of relocating one of each.

    3. Re:But it's ALWAYS been about speed and storage by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      Obviously they're completely different - but when you break it down to the very basics, it's all about more speed and more storage.

      The reasons we need more computing power change from time to time and vary from industry to industry but it's the single common dominator in all advancements in computer technology. Make it faster. Make it hold more. And in the meantime, make it smaller, too.

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    4. Re:But it's ALWAYS been about speed and storage by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      The difference between Eniac and an Athlon 64 PC are .. speed and storage..

      Not really. A modern PC is small enough to fit on a desk, is a lot more reliable, has a pixel adressable display, has a WIMP GUI, can communicate with other computers, has long term storage capability, software dedicated to office tasks, and completely different IO. All of which were features of my PC in 1997.

      But then I don't think the PC has been doing anything interesting for ages. The internet was a nice advance, but we still have these nasty big beige boxes targetted primarily at offices. I agree with you about PDAs and cellphones. We've seen some serious improvements in those over the years.

    5. Re:But it's ALWAYS been about speed and storage by Eivind · · Score: 1
      speed, storage, size, cost, i/o and connectivity is more like it, and even then I'm sure I've forgotten something.

      A Eniac with more speed and storage, but the same cost as it had back then would not have been a modern PC, you wouldn't have them in homes for a start.

      Same goes if it was still the size it had back then. Or if it still used the same I/O, or if it lacked the connectivity of modern computers.

      My first computer was a C64. It had 64 kilobytes of ram, a tape-deck and a 4mhz cpu.

      Today, about 20 years later my computer has 8000 times that amount of memory and a clockspeed 1000 times higher, while operating on 4 times as large units.

      It also cost significantly *less* than the C64 once did. (though I got mine used for cheap)

      If this trend continues, by the time I'm 50 (another 20 years) A new (but not high-end) desktop-computer will have 4 terabytes of RAM, operate at 4 teraherz with 256bit operands and have more disk-space than Google today.

      That's pretty hard to believe, for one at that clockspeed *light* itself manages only 0.25mm so it'd be physically impossible unless the chips get a lot smaller. (connections longer than that couldn't propagate the signal in time)

      Still, even if we don't get that far it'll be interesting to see how far we *do* get. The only thing I'm sure of is that the computer I'll have when I turn 50 will make anything that exists today look like a toy.

    6. Re:But it's ALWAYS been about speed and storage by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      If this trend continues, by the time I'm 50 (another 20 years) A new (but not high-end) desktop-computer will have 4 terabytes of RAM, operate at 4 teraherz with 256bit operands and have more disk-space than Google today.

      Indeed it will.

      But what will it do that your current PC doesn't do? It will still have a very similar GUI, store more music than you could ever want to listen to. Most raw infomration will be in text, because it's still convenient. Games will look (slightly) prettier but will they do more?

    7. Re:But it's ALWAYS been about speed and storage by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      All the cool things we can do with computers today are a direct result of the fact that they are faster and have more storage.

      Sometimes, demands force progression. Other times, progression creates demand. But either way, the one single constant in computing technologies has been speed and storage. The shrinkage of computer chips is also a side-effect of this - the smaller the faster, and usually more reliable. Obviously now they try to really cram a lot into little places, and that helps push miniaturization too.

      Perhaps computers of the future will make today's PC's look like toys but the only reason will be because they can do x amount of more processing and hold z amount more stuff.

      ps. The Commodore 64 was actually 1Mhz. To be more specific, the PAL version was .970 Mhz, and the NTSC version was 1.023 Mhz.

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    8. Re:But it's ALWAYS been about speed and storage by Eivind · · Score: 1
      What computers will do 20 years from now, obviously none of us can answer, if we could, we'd be out there making it happen.

      I can make a comparison to the C64 though, in that case the computer also does fundamentally new things, not just faster-prettier versions of the same-old.

      Notice that I say *do* not "can" do. A C64 was physically capable of doing many of those things, but that doesn't change the fact that the typical one didn't.

      • The biggie is obviously networking and the Internet. There are people today that have computers solely for the reason that they want to use the Internet. (My grandmother for a start) It was physically possible to network C64-machines, but I'd wager a bet that most people didn't, not even BBS-type networking.
      • I/O. It's practically possible, and indeed common to use a modern day computer to store all your pictures from your digital camera. The C64 could not and did not store thousands of pictures at acceptable quality. You could argue this is just more/faster, but infact it's a field of use that just wasn't there with the C64.
      • Multimedia. The C64 could not reasonable show video, or play music (sids are /music/ but they never did replace the LP, for very understandable reasons)
      • Services. I can, and do, use my computer for filing my tax return, for ordering pizza, for paying my bills, for selling my old c64-game-collection, for ordering plane-tickets, for sending pictures of her great-grandson to my grandmother. None of which was practically possible with the C64. (many of these where *theoretically* possible)
      You can argue that all this is faster/more. But sometimes, when a quantitative difference becomes large enough it becomes a qualitative difference, because things become possible that just wheren't realistic before.

      Now, what will come in the next 20 years is anyones guess.

  71. Copyright issue by houghi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OK, it's a dupr as many have pointed out. What strikes me is that these are just JPG files. This company that hold the copyright was so kind to at least let them be put online for others to read.

    The majority of other companies and books will never be officially published. A lot of books are not in publication anymore and even if they are, the older versions (like this one) give an insight on how we thought at a certain time.

    It is depressing to know that this way most of our knowledge will be just as lost as the books of the library of Alexandia.

    If you do not have access to the books, they just might as well never have existed. It also shows that the lenght of copyright is rediculously long.

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    1. Re:Copyright issue by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      OK, it's a dupr as many have pointed out. What strikes me is that these are just JPG files. This company that hold the copyright was so kind to at least let them be put online for others to read.

      The majority of other companies and books will never be officially published. A lot of books are not in publication anymore and even if they are, the older versions (like this one) give an insight on how we thought at a certain time.

      It is depressing to know that this way most of our knowledge will be just as lost as the books of the library of Alexandia.

      ummm.... No.

      Not being online does not equate to lost. Tens of thousands (if not more) of book collectors and collections across the globe contain copies of this book, and many many others. Online data on the other hand typically resides in only a handful of places.

    2. Re:Copyright issue by $sjfsjf · · Score: 1

      It's a requirement that your local copyright library receives a copy of every book published and that that book cannot leave the library. How easy it is to access them is another issue but at least they are being preserved.

  72. Sick of DUPE nazi's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who gives a fuck if it's a dupe, other than the whining fucktards that only know how to bitch an moan.

    People, get a fucking life and stop complaining, if you don't like the place, then please do just fuck off.

  73. What game is being played... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here: http://davidguy.brinkster.net/computer/1979/01.jpg

    Look on the screen at the left at the 'major computer installation'. What IS that?

    1. Re:What game is being played... by Creepy · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's a game - probably a bunch of garbage characters being printed and not cleared on startup or a terminal break. I also saw stuff like that in the early days of modems (probably more likely, since it's connecting to a mainframe) when I transferred binary files since I didn't have software with any sort of terminal suppression until about the 1982 or 3 (yes, I [or should I say mom] had a 300/110 modem when 300 baud was considered fast).

  74. Interesting Social changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I find it interesting how the first sentence changes between the versions.

    1971: There is something about computers that is both fascinating and alarming.
    1979: There is something about computers that is both fascinating and intimidating.

    It's an interesting social change if you think about it.

  75. Nonsense by ebcdic · · Score: 1

    Core memory was not "pretty well obsolete" in 1971. Semiconductor memory was only just starting to come into wide use by then. It was not until 1974 that it became cheaper than core (see http://www.science.uva.nl/faculteit/museum/CoreMem ory.html), and even later before it overtook it in volume.

  76. Blast From The Past! by Fleetie · · Score: 1

    Jeez! A blast from the past! I had that book (the 1979 edition) when I was a kid, about 8! Wow! Weird feeling seeing that again! Martin

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  77. Large Main Frame Computer Installation? by chrislunter · · Score: 0

    http://davidguy.brinkster.net/computer/001.htmlLoo k at the 1979 edition I don't believe them. I think that's a laundromat.

  78. I want to be the first to do these... by plexx · · Score: 3, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, Computers understand how you work. In Soviet Russia, Cards punch you.

  79. Re:The times, they are a-changin' by fermion · · Score: 1
    I think what you mean is tape is used for backup while floppy is used for...nothing!

    Even in the early 80's tape was what I used on my portable computer.

    Of course CD and DVD is still useful for storage, but the do not seem to be as reliable as floppy, especially not as reliable as 3.5" floppy.

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  80. WTH are Babbage cards? by cr0sh · · Score: 1
    Sometimes I swear that we computer geeks know the history of our own machines less than the common US citizen knows about the US Constitution (the document, not the ship - though I would speculate fewer know anything about the ship).

    Yes, I know who Charles Babbage is, I know about his machines, I know that he designed the Analytical Engine (and named many of the pieces of the AE after mill parts - ie, the Mill=CPU, the Store=memory, etc) to use punch cards after seeing one of Jaquard's looms in actions (and subsequently a tapestry portrait of Babbage was made on said looms). I don't remember the format of the cards which were to be used by the Analytical Engine, but I do know that the only relationship that they bore to the Jaquard design was that they had holes in them. IIRC, the Jaquard punch cards had a fairly small number of holes in them. Undoubtedly, Babbages cards would have had to have more holes to represent the numbers/instructions his machine could handle. Unfortunately, he never built the machine, thus there never existed anything called "Babbage Cards".

    In the late 1800's, another individual came to light, trying to solve the problem of the 1890 US Census. The last census had taken so long to tabulate that it was feared that by the time the current census was finished and tabulated, the next census cycle would be well underway and the data would be useless. Herman Hollerith came along and changed that. He created what would become the standard punch card, for his tabulation machine. He took his inspiration from a completely different source, though: he was riding a train and saw the conduction punch his ticket, and he thought about how such a card could record all the characteristics of a person on it for the census, and how using the technology of the day, those cards could be processed and tabulated much quicker than the hand processes previously devised. His machines were tested alongside other methods of tabulation and counting available at the time, and the US government chose his system, which turned out to be very successful. His tabulation machine business grew, he became fairly wealthy, and his machines saw use in many businesses the world over (especially in the freight train business).

    Eventually, Hollerith's company became what we know today as IBM. His cards lived on with few modifications, to become the punch cards as we know them (or barely know them - not much use for them today). These cards had a standard size - 80 columns by 25 rows...

    Now you know why there is such a thing as an IBM 80 x 25 display - one screen could accurately represent a full card (whether this was the true purpose or not of this size is something I have never found out to my satisfaction - some history books say yes, others just hold it as a curiosity or holdover)...

    Now - with that said, I must say that from the link to the site you give, that looks like an impressive weaving mill, and fairly old. It is hard to tell what the age of it is, but it could be using a form of Jaquard's loom cards, or a later form of Hollerith card, or some hybrid, or something else. In the weaving mill industry, there wasn't anything like a "standard card" - I would speculate, though, that if the machine was using something like 80x25 hole cards and were built after 1890, then they were likely Hollerith cards (albeit likely more beefy or made of metal to handle the abuse)...

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    1. Re:WTH are Babbage cards? by Dahan · · Score: 1
      These cards had a standard size - 80 columns by 25 rows... Now you know why there is such a thing as an IBM 80 x 25 display - one screen could accurately represent a full card

      Actually, the standard punch card is 80 columns by 12 rows (rows 0-9, X, and Y). And one card represents just one line, whereas you can get 25 lines on an 80x25 display.

    2. Re:WTH are Babbage cards? by cr0sh · · Score: 1
      You are right! I am humbled - I am sitting here looking at my punch card (I collect old computer crap that isn't too bulky) - and 12 rows it is!

      I will go away and grovel now...

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  81. Re:The times, they are a-changin' by EpsCylonB · · Score: 1

    Your kidding right ?, I would never call a floppy disk "reliable", my usbs flash drive on the other hand...

  82. New topic proposal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why can't we just have a "duplicates" topic? Then all the duplicate postings could be tagged with that topic, and readers who prefer not to read duplicates could easily filter it.

  83. Re:The times, they are a-changin' by 32Na · · Score: 1

    A quote in the pages of the book gives the impression that debate was going on about computers' role in industry: "The introduction of a computer rarely decreases a labour force. It is more likely, due to the increase in production, to expand labour requirements within parts of the organisation."

    I think we are still trying to sell ourselves on this: the late nineties all about unbounded optimism for the role of technology in industry, and now after a little break we are right back in the same game.

    the idea does have to break down, though: as one manufacturer realizes that computers and robots are cheap and easy to maintain compared to their large workforce, layoffs ensue. For better or for worse.

  84. Re:The times, they are a-changin' by EvilNecro · · Score: 1

    OMG asciiprOn is slashdotted!

  85. Every OS Sucks by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 1

    Every OS Sucks
    By 3 Dead Trolls In A Baggie

    I come from a time in the nineteen hundred and seventies when computers where used for two things. To either go to the moon, or play pong. And nothing in between, you see, and you didn't need a fancy operating system to play pong and the men who went to the moon, god bless them, did it with no mouse and a plain text only black and white screen and thiry-two kilobytes of ram.

    But then round about the late seventies home computers started to do a little bit more than play pong. Very little more. Why, computers started to play games and balance check books. Why, you could play Zaxxon on your apple II or write a book. All with a computer that had thirty-two kilobytes of ram.

    It was enough to go to the moon, it was enough for you

    It was a golden time, a time before Windows, a time before mouses, a time before the Internet and bloatware and a time before every OS sucked

    Well way back in the olden times my computer worked for me
    I'd laugh and play all night and day on Zork One, Two and Three
    The Amiga, VIC 20 and Sinclair too, the TRS 80 and the Apple II
    They did what they where supposed to do
    It wasn't much but it was enough
    But then Xerox made a prototype
    Steve Jobs came on the scene
    Read of mice and menus, windows, icons, trash, and a bitmapped screen
    Oh, Stevie said to xerox "Boys, turn your heads and cough"
    And when no one was looking he ripped their interfaces off
    Stole every feature that he had seen
    Put it in a cute box with a tiny little screen
    MacOS1 ran that machine, only cost 5000 bucks
    But it was slow, it was buggy, so they wrote it again
    And now they're up to OS10
    They'll charge you for the beta, then charge you again
    But the MacOS still sucks

    Every OS wastes your time, from the desktop to the lap
    Every thing since Apple DOS, just a bunch of crap
    From Microsoft to Macintosh to Lin-line-lin-line-nucs
    Every computer crashes 'cause every OS sucks

    Well then Microsoft jumped in the game
    Copied Apple's interface with an OS named
    Windows 3.1, it was twice as lame
    But the stock price rose and rose
    Then Windows 95, then 98
    Man, Solitare never ran so great
    And every single version came out late
    But I guess thats the way it goes
    But that bloatware will crash and delete your work
    And dme man none of them work
    Bill Gates may be richer than Captain Kirk
    But the Windows OS blows. And sucks. At the same time

    I'd trade it in. Yeah, right. For what?
    It's top of the line from the CompuHut
    The fridge, stove and toaster never crash on me
    I should be able to get online without a Phd
    My phone doesn't take a week to boot it
    My TV doesn't crash when I mute it
    I miss ascii text in my floppy drive
    I wish VIC 20 was still alive
    It ain't the hardware man
    It's just that every OS sucks.. and blows

    Now theres lin-ux or line-ux. I don't know how you say it
    Or how you install it or use it or play it
    Or where you download it or what programs run
    But lin-ux or line-ux don't look like much fun
    However you say it, it's getting great press
    Though how it survives is anyones guess
    If you ask me it's a great big mess
    For elitist nerdy schmucks
    "It's free" they say, if you can get it to run
    "he geeks say "Hey, thats half the fun"
    Yeah, but I've got a girlfriend and things to get done
    The Linux OS sucks. I'm sorry to say it, but it does

    Every OS wastes your time from the desktop to the lap
    Everything since the Abacus, just a bunch of crap
    From Microsoft to Macintosh to Lin-line-lin-line-nucs
    Every computer crashes cause every os sucks
    Every computer crashes cause every os sucks

  86. Re:The times, they are a-changin' by ttldkns · · Score: 1
    The sound of my hearty laughter, and my gratitude
    Thats good enough for me :)

    EBCDIC pr0n, doesnt sound like my bag, but you woultdn have thought ASCII pr0n would have been much straighter. ;)
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  87. Floppies used to be better by dmaxwell · · Score: 1

    I used to use Atari 8-bits and STs with their 5.25 and 3.5 in floppies respectively. I would boot the machines with the same floppy daily for months. I'd occasionally have one crap out on me but the key word is occasionally. I think the QC on disks and drives used to be quite a bit better. Come to think it, Verbatim media was good then too. Lower data densities probably helped too.

    These days you're lucky if a floppy works once. My only use for them any more is flashing firmware that can't be flashed any other way. You better believe I sweat bullets until success is achieved.

  88. What on earth were they thinking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ... putting the 1971 and 1979 editions underneath each other and showing only one page at a time. That's most annoying trying to read one.

    I don't care if the pages are similar, I want to read one book, then the other. And if I can do it without having to scroll past the page of the book I'm not interested in, down to click a link, so much the better.

  89. "How it works..." ?!?!? by ErikTheRed · · Score: 1

    Computers work? Since when?

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  90. Mecca delenda est? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sociopath.

  91. dupe on dupe by nazsco · · Score: 1

    actually, it's a meta dupe

    it's a dupe about a book from 1979 that is a dupe from one from 1971

  92. TORRENT LINK?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anybody got a torrent link for the book?

  93. Classic Quote about Computers by Mr.+Maestro · · Score: 1

    From the Simpsons, as spoken by Prof. Frink:
    Well, sure, the Frinkiac-7 looks impressive - Don't touch it! - But I predict that within 100 years computers will be twice as powerful, 10,000 times larger, and so expensive that only the five richest kings in Europe will own them.

  94. Computer Bearing by reydar · · Score: 1

    My dad has worked extensively with computers since the mid-late seventies. One of his treasured possessions is a 10 lb computer bearing assembly that looks like it could of been a wheel bearing for a Toyota. I can't remember what exactly this bearing spun, but I do remember back in the eighties visiting my dad at his office and seeing rows and rows of refrigerator sized cabinets with spinning tape reels inside. I am also proud to say that I was surfing BBS's through a dialup modem back in the early nineties when I was a young teenager. I was on the internet before it was called the internet. Yea antiquity!

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  95. more Dead Trolls and friends by count0 · · Score: 1
    For more tech humor The Geek Show stars Wes and Neil of 3 Dead Trolls

    and the 3 Dead Trolls In a Baggie site

  96. Please answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You haven't answered my question yet: How did you know, when you signed up, that your Slashdot UID would be 900132?

    1. Re:Please answer by msim · · Score: 1

      indeed, im responding back to an ac, but how did you know/guess/asume?

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    2. Re:Please answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My guess is that the accounts are issued sequentially. So you apply for an account, apply for another, and the second one is one higher than the first. Why would it be different to that?

    3. Re:Please answer by msim · · Score: 1

      frigging hell, i meant "assume".

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    4. Re:Please answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I posted as an AC because I don't want my kharma affected by an "off-topic" mod.
      In any case, this reply to my earlier post gives a clue.

  97. Actually computers have not changed at all. by master_p · · Score: 1

    They are still the Von Neuman machine type, as described in that book. Just replace the components with bigger-better-faster-more complex ones, but not different. The same algorithms are applied to them, just as they had 25 years ago. And many algorithms are used today only because today's computers are faster than those of yesteryear, not because these algorithms where not known back then.

    1. Re:Actually computers have not changed at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boy what a lame post....I am sure everyone knows that computers have worked the same way for a long time.. But your babble about von numan architecture and "algorithms" says very little.

      I just needed the opportunity to put someone down.. It makes me feel good.

  98. It's Frightening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's frightening that the amongst the people who where the target for this book when it was published (12-16 yrs old) most of them will still know less about computers than their kids do 30 years later.

  99. Re:The times, they are a-changin' by msim · · Score: 1

    indeed, i've bookmarked it as well :-)

    though this needs a bit of work.

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  100. Ladybird books by OldJim · · Score: 1

    In the late 1970's I remember that Ladybird book was part of the standard induction course reading for trainee ICL salesmen! I think Ladybird books are still going strong, whereas ICL is now part of Fujitsu......

  101. Re:You want to rethink that? by zmollusc · · Score: 1

    Don't you damned kids remember Expanded ram boards in the PC? And get OFF my DAMNED lawn!

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  102. Re:The times, they are a-changin' by cagle_.25 · · Score: 1

    Actually, what I meant was that sequential access (tape) and random access (disk, whether floppy or hard or optical -- remember the games on laser disk?) were considered competitors at the time. Each has found its own niche now.

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  103. About your sig... by serutan · · Score: 1

    I think it's "watery tarts," not "strange women." But that's just my memory.

  104. Quoted from the books by Kizor · · Score: 1

    Other materials increasingly employed are magnetic tapes, casettes and diskettes (small flexible disks similar in size to a small gramophone record

    This would definitely make one appreciate modern developments if the diskettes of 2005 didn't have the data integrity of a dead koala.

  105. 'Gates' and 'Highways' by Shanep · · Score: 1

    1947: Gates (transistor). Best thing to happen to computing.

    1955: Gates (human). Worst thing to happen to computing.

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  106. +1 - Ignorant Nigger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Faggot