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Free 3D Animation DAZ|Studio 1.0 Released
Thyme3333 writes "DAZ Productions, Inc. has officially released DAZ|Studio 1.0, a free 3D figure posing and animation software package. DAZ has a made a commitment to keep the DAZ|Studio core application free to the public for as long as possible by relying on the revenues generated by the purchase of content available in the DAZ online store. To obtain a free copy of DAZ|Studio, users must register for a free account on the DAZ website and agree to participate in the company's aptly-named "Tell-Ware" program, which asks that each DAZ|Studio user share information about DAZ|Studio and/or the DAZ website with at least two friends." Good to see that more companies are trying to keep their software free, but perhaps the Slashdot crowd could offer advice on a better business model than spam and merchandising?
No, it is not available for Linux. Windows and Macintosh only.
1) Create software that people want
2) Trade that software for money.
An alternative buisness model is:
1) Help foster a community of developers to create software that people want
2) Connect potential buyers to that product and help them use it
3)Ask said people for money in return.
Maybe it's because I run my own business or maybe it's because I studied economics in school, but I tend to look at things a bit different than most other Slashdotters. You've all be spoiled by the easy access to pirated software, music and movies. In the real world, things cost producers both time and money to make. The reason why we all don't have to grow our own food, knit our own sweaters, or write our own code is because we've worked out a neat little system of exchange called "currency". It's just like the barter system, but a lot easier because currency is universally accepted. You don't have to worry about trying to locate someone who's willing to give you potatoes in exchange for your ability to configure sendmail. I only have a finite number of hours in my day, and a finite amount of resources. If I want to be able to eat, drive a car, and buy other people's software, I need to get someone in exchange for my skills. Elsewise I can't afford to give others something in return for their product/service.
It's really not a difficult concept to understand, but if you want the Cliff's Notes version of my point: "Nothing in life is free." If you want to see what happens with a society tries to avoid the basic laws of economics go vacation in North Korea (or to a lesser extent, Cuba).
Entrepreneur : (noun), French for "unemployed"
Does posting a link to their website on Slashdot count as 1 or more of the friends that Thyme3333 was suppose to send their way?
- Your stupidity got you into this mess, why can't it get you out? -Will Rogers
perhaps the Slashdot crowd could offer advice on a better business model than spam and merchandising?
Or... how about we don't bitch about something we can get for free?
How many people are holding a gun to your head demanding you send emails to TWO WHOLE PEOPLE you know?
Better yet... have you ever emailed someone to say "Hey, check out this game" or "Yo, here's a sweet perl module you should check out" or anything of the ilk? The true thought behind this "tell-ware" is the hopes that you enjoy the software enough to email a couple of friends to tell them its worth the download.
For how much real 3D software can cost, I'm truely surprised someone is bitching about emailing two friends about it...
Then again, the open source community is full of extreme whackos like ESR, so maybe my surprise is unjust...
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
I read an article once about a company that was based on Ayn Rand's Objectivist teachings. The owner was such a fan that he made up a bunch of rules for the company and its employees to follow.
One of the tenets was that anything of value must be paid for. This meant that they didn't have any "free demos". They did have volume pricing, as well as negotiable prices for large customers, if I recall correctly.
There is nothing wrong with charging for your product, especially if you think that it is a good one that many people will benefit from.
Jesus saved me from my past. He can save you as well.
DAZ Productions, Inc. has officially released DAZ|Studio 1.0
Well, wake me up when they release DAZ|UnslashdottableServer.
P.S.: I seriously hope this is not a precursory indication that we will have to suffer a plentora of innerword-pipes. BIZ|AssHoles
and the next answer is that Blender has a pose mode.
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
1. Make a better or at least more desireable product.
2. Charge money for said product. There is no business without profit!
3. Spend profits on a Ferrari.
4. Get head from hot women.
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There were only 2 comments when I first clicked on it. Does someone, someplace offer an early warning service that notifies them when Slashdot has linked to them, so that they may take their servers offline in advance of an avalanche of connections?
Another thing: DAZ and Poser work pretty close from the releases in the past that I've seen. I have had problems running both under windows 64 bit, and it was one of the reasons (besides Win 64 driver problems) that I had to switch back to Win XP 32 bit. I'd like to hear from people who can install both these packages under Wine/WineX under Linux 64 or on Win64.
Good to see that more companies are trying to keep their software free, but perhaps the Slashdot crowd could offer advice on a better business model than spam and merchandising?
How about we keep the base model of the program free, but allow customized versions for companies or individuals who want things specific to what they are doing?
Since the server's getting slammed, heres TFA:
Whether you're just getting started in 3D, or are an avid 3D artist and enthusiast, DAZ|Studio will allow you to express yourself in 3D like never before. Imagine being able to easily create your own convincing 3d artwork. You don't need to take any special courses or read any complicated books. Perhaps you have a scene in your mind that you'd like to create. Choose your 3D subjects and their virtual environment, and then let DAZ|Studio fill in the rest for you. Or, perhaps you've found an interesting 3D character that you enjoy and would like to build a scene around it. Either way, DAZ|Studio can be the means to bring everything together into a stunning representation of your limitless imagination.
DAZ|Studio is a free software application that allows you to easily create beautiful digital art. You can use this software to load in people, animals, vehicles, buildings, props, and accessories to create digital scenes. DAZ|Studio includes two pre-configured scenes ready for you to Load & Render within DAZ|Studio. Just double-click on the scene thumbnails inside of DAZ|Studio, and everything will come on screen posed, lit, and ready for you to create a stunning digital image. Click here to view a sample scene render from DAZ|Studio using the included content.
The power of a single individual can be substantial. Great things can come to pass as a result of the power and good faith of a single person. By joining together, each one of us can help insure a bright future for this 3d community. DAZ strongly believes that by simply telling a friend or two about DAZ|Studio and what can be done by combining this free program with any of the thousands of pieces of digital content available, the growth of the community can become exponential.
DAZ Productions has a made a committment to keep the DAZ|Studio core application free to the public for as long as possible. In order for this to be possible, DAZ relies on the revenues generated by the purchase of content available in the DAZ online store. The more people that purchase regularly from DAZ, the more development that can be subsidized and the longer the DAZ|Studio core will remain free.
You CAN make a difference! The more people that you help inform about our community, the better it will become.
+1 funny, -2 overrated. Life isn't fair.
And ed has a search and replace function; but I wouldn't recommend ed to someone who is used to working with microsoft word! The same is true for daz3d vs blender only more so.
I don't find it wrong in any way. By registering, they know roughly how many people have downloaded it, which helps them remotely see the popularity of it. By telling two friends, it helps spread the word, which I don't see really being spam.
Since when has word of mouth been considered spam?
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Tomorrow has been canceled due to lack of interest.
call me when they release the source...
There are quite a few low-end, inexpensive 3D animation packages. Ulead makes one for example. Aside from Blender, there are no truly free 3D packages at all. Truth is, no professional actually uses Blender. You'll see the occasional one-off logo or something like that, but even a serious hobbiest uses something like Lightwave or Max.
There's been kind of a trickle-down in free software. First we got things everybody needs, like an email client. Then we got software that a lot of people need, like a word processor. Then we got the Gimp, which some people need. Eventually, we'll get the specialty applications, like 3D software. It's just a matter of time.
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All but one of the renders on the company's online gallery page features gratuitous cleavage. Just thought I'd throw that out there...
Lately they've been delving into selling actual applications; they bought the Mimic software for lip synching for instance which complements Poser by providing automated .wav to pose conversion to synchronize models' lips and facial expressions to a sound clip in an automated way.
This latest offering will put them squarely in competition with Curious Labs, which I would say is a good thing. Poser is simultaneously one of the most amazing applications, and most annoying applications I've used. The program produces fantastic human figure graphics and animation, but is also incredibly buggy, slow, and memory/resource intensive. Still, it's much cheaper than the higher end competition which is priced out of the hobbyist market, so it is currently the only game in town. Having another choice in the low end would be very good, providing it's halfway useable.
It seems to me that this company is actually asking for a concious effort at the email equivalent of 'word of mouth'. I think that its an admirable idea and doesn't truly constitute SPAM except by a looser definition than I, personally, would accept.
With iTunes the application is free to download and use. But is there money to be made? Yes. By users purchasing the music they want online.. This same model is being used here, the core of the application is free, but content costs. This is where they will make money, not in the application itself but in the content individuals puchase. The "tell-ware" model is mainly to get the word out on the product, for those who perhaps do not read Slashdot.
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Good to see that more companies are trying to keep their software free, but perhaps the Slashdot crowd could offer advice on a better business model than spam and merchandising?
Add a PayPal donation button. If users like your product enough, they'll support it. While it's not forcing anybody to pay, it gives people a chance to help out with a product that they enjoy.
I'd love to visit Cuba. Best birdwatching on the planet, great food, friendly people, among other things.
Unfortunately, my country's government will not allow me to visit Cuba, and would arrest & imprison me upon my return, and fine me $10,000 or more.
Home of the Free.
Note that this program is only free as in beer and is not Free Software. If you are looking for free as in speech 3d-modellers and renderers, look at http://blender3d.org/, an exellent and highly advanced program.
perhaps the Slashdot crowd could offer advice on a better business model than spam and merchandising? Isn't that like asking a homeless person where to get the best mortage rates? Or a methhead for dental advice? Daz is in business to make money/profit which seems to be a bitter pill most slashposters can't seem to fathom since they don't live in the realworld.
And the new MakeHuman model looks promising, but needs targets and rigging.
Analogies don't equal equalities, they are merely somewhat analogous.
Having used this within the last few months, I was quite impressed with the stunning realism that's possible. Just be warned, however, that with a few good models and texture skins it can turn into your own private porn studio. Not that I did that, mind you, but I'm just saying...
What kind of 3d software:
1) has no modeling tools
2) lists 'rotate, translate, and scale with visual feedback' as a fucking 'feature'?! Or 'multiple views' I mean this is 3D SOFTWARE, right?
Here's the shimmy on this product from someone in the business. This guy is giving away free software to pose characters he makes in a real 3d package. He is giving the software out free, and charging for the content. This is not an '3d package'; this is more like poser or some app where you manipulate unoriginal content of others. Akin to a barbie dressup game; you pose the dolls he makes, and to market it, he has people post that is is some kind of 'free 3d animation package'. It is an application that lets you pose dolls you purchase from him.
I am really trying to pull my punches here, as Daz is the creator of some of my fav old school plugins for real 3d apps.
And don't get me wrong; this is a great tool for pervs who want to post a naked 'virtual girl'.
"by relying on the revenues generated by the purchase of content available in the DAZ online store"
Is that code for "virtual-girl porn site" ?
I think ANY 3d-modeler app can be used for more productive tasks than rendering breasts that are two times too big.
I've said effectively the same thing on Slashdot many times and always get modded down and often trolled. Hard to get people to accept that software, movies and music don't come from the good fairy. The next big block buster film or game costs money to make. If you don't like the quality of the product don't buy it in the first place, supply and demand works. Simply downloading it to "strike back" at the maker is hypocritical. Saying all digital information should be free is rediculous and will result in a radical drop in availible product as well as a drop in quality. If all software should be free then all programers have to work for free.
In the opposite direction, Zygote, Sixus 1 and e Frontier have released "open source" 3d figures under the name of "project: human", which is more or less competition for DAZ' core business.
Project human figures can be found here:
female
male
and here:
http://www.project-human.com/
Feel free to have a flamewar about whether or not the license is GPL compatible...
I tried using blender once a while back. Now even though I had worked with 3DStudio, Lightwave and Maya I got an anurism trying to figure out blender's interface.
Perhaps if they opened their code they could begin to compete with the free and open-source offerings.
Compare DAZ to Blender/Yafray
Blender was free, closed-source software for some years. No doubt DAZ will also make the decision to emancipate themselves in order to grow in time with their users.
But I guess not the copyeditor.
I was checking out their store and found a plug-in thats on sale (for FREE).
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All but one of the renders on the company's online gallery page features gratuitous cleavage.
/ 1_0gallery.php
Don't listen to him, here's the page
http://www.daz3d.com.nyud.net:8090/program/studio
and the graphics don't look very stunning... (from a male perspective i mean)
The comparison is awesome. But I haven't decided whether to ask for insightful or funny.
Blender (http://www.blender.org/cms/Home.2.0.html) is totally free, as in open-source, no-strings-attached free.
3D Canvas (http://www.amabilis.com/products.htm) is a fun introductory 3d software for beginners.
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First off, it's NOT spam, ScuttleMonkey you fucktard. And there's nothing wrong with selling stuff. You must be one of those taxpayer-subsidized anti-capitalist hypocrites.
DAZ sells content for Poser. That makes their business reliant on Poser.
Most people who use Poser don't actually create any models themselves, so there's a rather strong demand for the sort of content that DAZ creates.
The problem is, there have been issues with Poser - it was sold to another company, versions have been late - which made its future uncertain. So DAZ wrote this as a means of ensuring their corporate survival if Poser were to disappear from the market.
So it's no so much "Free as in Beer" as in "Free as in The Band." You get to hear the band play for free (use their renderer), but still have to pay for the beer (purchase their content).
Blender 3D is a good alternative for the Linux users: http://www.blender3d.org/
I also found this on their site:
Note: DAZ|Studio will not function installed on a UNIX partition under Mac OS X
Since when does a graphic application care what file system you use? Or am I misunderstanding something?
Request a Linux Shockwave player here: http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform/
My advice: give it another try. I tried Blender for the first time about 2 years ago and was baffled by the weird UI (and lacking features like raytracing)
Then I gave it another shot a year later, and it had improved a lot, to the point where I tried using it for some small projects. And now I'm hooked!
It's true that the interface is weird, say the first hour of using it or so, but it's also very customiseable. Free upgrades roughly every month, with new features and improvements. Recently with Google's Summer of Code projects. And don't forget the game engine!
To sum it up, Belnder is teh roxxorz!
There's no 'on' position on the Slacker switch!
(besides Win 64 driver problems)
Wouldn't have happened to have been video card driver problems now would it?
No no, I was using NVIDIA 5700 LE, which is well supported. I was able to run games and 3D programs. Poser has its own set of "drivers" which were not written back then for Win64 or Wine.
Trying to constrict or direct economics is like trying to hold back water. Water always wants to flow, always downhill (except for those very minor surface effects).
You can do minor direction - temporary dams, change of flow channel - but even this has unintended consequences.
You can dam it for a while, but the more you try to contain it, the bigger and clunkier the dam (and the bigger the mess when it finally gives)
If you block one channel, it will find a different route to go.
You can't squeeze it; if you try, it will burst- more mess.
If you try (like tax dollars) to spread it evenly regardless of natural flow, it will either flow back to where it was going anyway, or evaporate and precipitate somewhere where you didn't intend.
What is information? Yes it's incremental cost (cost of copying) is virtually free, but unless the development cost (cost of first assembly/ writing/ collection) is free (as a byproduct - say, you install the phone lines, you automatically have the white pages list) then it is worth whatever people will pay for it.
MS Office, for example, is worth more to businesses than the casual home user. Innovation would come in figuring a means to exploit that variable value. The phone company, for example, is regulated to make a home line cheaper than a business line. Charge too much, and there is an incentive to pirate. Charge too little, you go broke (? Not Bill...).
One innovation (Bill copies IBM) is to bundle it all into an OS that the hardware manufacturer then licenses, thus ensuring that consumer choices, and motive to pirate, is restricted (and you can vary the price depending on the "business use" appeal of the hardware...).
Perhaps one day we will all "subscribe" to software the way we do to those extra channels on cable. If you use your PeguinPoint this month, the "ArtistCollective Appropriation" (ASCAP?)will charge you $1.
Not a classic Ponzi, and probably won't spread prohibitively, but... just sayin'.
I'm an animal lover -- they're delicious!
The implementation is a bit flawed though. Much as I hate popups, perhaps having an "email-a-friend" that pops up on the first X executions every Y runs would be more useful (one you actually use the program and see if it is good or not).
Well, at least DAZ is giving it away up-front. Came across this the other day - http://www.daylongraphics.com/products/leveller/op ensrc.htm - the company appears to be offering to make the 'next' version of their product open source if people will donate $200,000 to the company 'Open Source' fund beforehand.
Please someone correct me if I've misunderstood this, but it seems totally outragous.
Wow. Impressive UID. You must be a real nerd.
If I can produce any kind of image with it, I can post it to my graphics blog and comment that it was done with such 'n' such; that should meet the "two-friends" requirement. (Yes, funny people, more than two people have visited it...something like three and a half already!)
That's the sound of 30 million heterosexual adolescent males who suddenly started paying attention.
Assume that it would cost your customers $1.50 worth of their time to order the item, and would cost you $1 to sell it. So if you priced the item at $1.50, giving yourself a 50 cent profit per item sold, your customers would, theoretically, say to themselves "I'd have to pay $1.50 plus $1.50 worth of my time to buy a $2 item. It's not worth it." Of course, most people aren't so rational.
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It's the end of my comment as I know it and I feel fine.
"If you are looking for free as in speech 3d-modellers and renderers, look at http://blender3d.org/, an exellent and highly advanced program."
Which was created originally using the Cathedral model. And now is in the hands of the Bazaar model for incremental improvements.
I think it helps to think of Daz Studio as:
a set designer and crew that can place props and
a stage light crew and a camera crew with the user as director or lead photographer.
Daz Studio is not nearly as complete as say Blender, but it is quite easy to learn and use and users can make stunning results quickly.
You make props and models with other 3D tools like Blender, Wings3D, Anim8or, Metatsequaia, or obtain them free at the Daz web site and other sites like www.renderosity.com, or buy items if you must needed.
Buying is not a hardship if you actually make money off your 3D creations, but not needed if 3D is just a casual hobby. There must be 10,000 free items you can get for non-commercial 3D art renders. You can also get free programs like Knotplot, PlantStudio, and TesselSphere to make certain types of 3D objects which can then be imported and used.
In summary, think of Daz Studio as just one more tool you can use to create 3D art if you wish. In real life, we do not often complete a task with only a single tool, so do not limit yourself to just one tool when making 3D computer art. Check out Daz Studio and other tools that are out there and use those which work best for you.
I do hope Daz creates Linux & BSD versions of Studio, such action could certainly add to their user base.
Disclainer: I do not work in the 3D industry but have used the Daz Studio beta software as a hobby over several monthes. It has been a lot of fun and learning and the software sure has improved!
mcvdaz
I used to see lots of DAZ Poser figures on Renderosity, and it seemed all the Poser stuff people spent their time on was like playing with 3D Barbie dolls. I say "used to see" because Renderosity got boring and I stopped looking, so I don't know how different it is today ... but the DAZ gallery today looks like more of the same "Let's play Barbie" style.
It amazes me that people bitch and complain about software that is provided for free. Heck, you dont even need to buy stuff for this program since many sites related to poser usually has decent freestuff available.
;)
:)
/. reader. Google my name to see the stuff I illustrate. ;) :
Yes DAZ has their issues (but dont all software companies). They've been working on the thing for 3 years with a public beta almost since the beginning and even before their first beta, they said the core app will be free. I trust them on this. They may be a little slow, but they listen to the community. Then again, they're not a multi-million year company with a six digit workforce. I think theres 30 people at the company. Cut them a little slack.
As far as the code, they specified they will not release a SDK until after version 1 is out. They said "plugins will be able to control all aspects of the application and have access to everything within it".
Most of the images that are seen on poser sites, are the "NVIATWAS" (Nekkied Vicky in a temple with a sword) renders as "we" call them. This is where poser has recevied part of its bad rep. Not everyone uses this software to get their rocks off. The stuff in the DAZ gallery is also submitted by users. The sites you visit will kinda dictate what kind of images are common there. Want oversized boobs? try http://renderosity.com/
Want a "family oriented" type of environment? http://wooyah.com/ & http://cbb3d.com/ are good ones.
For the elitists: Yes, I'm a Poser6 user, and despite the elietist bullshit I use it for illustrations. Why the hell should I have to buy 3ds, LW, maya, xsi and have to spend countless hours to learn them to reinvent the wheel and the car just for a simple illustration. Why go through all that if I can produce better results utilizing prefab'ed materials. Think of it as doing still life photography. Many photographers dont make their subjects, so why should I if I dont have to?
BTW: yes, I'm defending DAZ, but it just irks me how far people will go to piss on something (especially free). Oh, and I'm always this vocal so its not like someone totally pissed me off.
Cheers,
MGCJerry - Fellow poser user and occasional
Also, it's NOT Free, in the GNU sense. If it was, the range of platforms would be expandable.
/.'s readers.
Combined with the other issues that people have already mentioned, this is a dumb advert, with no relevance for most
You're right...there is no comparison. I haven't tried DAZ|Studio myself because of the fsck'd up download process, but judging from a lot of posts here it's something akin to Poser and the Sims ;-) ... because you are supposed to buy expansion packs contataining material that's impossible to make yourself in this "3D package".
Blender is the total 3D package. It's got nearly all state-of-the art modeling and (paired with Yafray rendering features, it's not the baddest 3D software out there but it's free as in (beer|speech) and with DAZ|Studio there is no comparison. Blender is very useful and practical, but like Photoshop it takes some skills and understanding of principles to create decent output. I worked my way up from the likes of Bryce and Infini-D and after getting proficient at Cinema4D, Blender wasn't that much of a challenge. But I know it is complicated and totally non-standard. Unfortunately that is partially true for any pro 3D package.
DAZ seems to be a toy, much like Bryce. Toys are nice, easy and always fun. Probably a necessary introduction to grasp basic 3D. I welcome this addition to free 3D products but it really does not alter in any way Blender's position as top free 3D package.
There's no 'on' position on the Slacker switch!
It goes back to when SGI merged Alias Research and Wavefront Technologies into Alias|Wavefront (now Alias Systems Corp.
Actually, tutorials is one of Blender's weak points right now - especially considering the relative pro-iness of the UI. Other people have posted links to the two most prominent sources, other than that you may consider buying the Blender 2.3 printed manual. It includes a 3D beginners section. It's quite cheap for what you get, I'm getting one myself soon ;-)
There's no 'on' position on the Slacker switch!
Disclaimer: I am a lamer when it comes to Windows these days. I couldn't read the quick-start tutorial because my version of Adobe complained the file I was trying to open didn't exist. The installer bombed on me, or my ancient, crufty Windows copy bombed while it was running. There were instructions on how to get everything so it can be found, but I only *think* I followed them. Take anybody else's word before mine on this one.
It seems that the parts you download are just the bare-bones "demo" that - as far as I could explore - do not allow you to generate *any* images. You can load .jpg's for background, and for models, you have to import stuff from poser files, which I don't have. For all I know, you have to buy the whole suite to make anything interresting happen.
I found the controls for adding a "farae forest" scene or a mushroom object, but was apparently missing the files. Or maybe I was on the verge of finding the right spell to make scenes happen, but I'll never know because I gave up, in part because using Windows feels like a hair shirt to me.
On the upside: The interface is very snazzy and smooth. The controls are intuitive. The notoriusly-hard-to-learn Blender could take a lesson here. On the downside: I was meshing my first face a mere two hours after installing Blender. The DAZ program lacked only the buttons to add a base polygon or two to the scene so I could begin meshing it, and it would have held my attention for *much* longer.
I'm sure users of payware programs like Lightwave and Poser will have a completely different perspective.
Thank you for clearing all that up for me! (Note my later post on "giving it a try")
Whoever modded this "Flamebait" needs to stop with the knee-jerk reactions to provocative words and pay attention to the message: Everything he says about the program jibes with my brief experience using it. Letting me figure out: No, it's not because I'm an idiot, it's because of what kind of program it is, is why I couldn't create any original content. He even goes on to defend Daz based on his favorable impression of their past products.
Not a flame by any definition.
Well, this *has* been an awakening! So, all this time I've been kicking myself for not being able (Yet!) to create human mesh models that look as good as "the competition"'s, and now I find out that payware studios sell you the models and you pose them and post it as your own, original art? Gee, I could get a reputation for an artistic genius too, if I went out and bought the Mona Lisa, busted it out of it's frame, sprayed some water on it to make the paint look fresh, propped it up on an easel in my studio, and passed it as my own, original work!
So, which 3D packages use this practice?
Shame you didn't carry on with the experiment you was really really close there.
Glad you found the controls easy to use. One reason I have stuck with it.
maybe someday you will go back to it. There are 3 free models available in the store and a free weekly give away too. Someone else mentioned before that there is loads of freebies around the net, models, clothing etc. oh yeah and there is tutorials on the site too.
Geeeeeeee, thanks, but somebody else cleared it up for me: this is NOT what I was expecting (a tool for creating your own models), but rather a device for manipulating *other* people's models. Completely different thing, different concept, even, from what I think when I hear "3D renderer".
Anyway, very nice, but I played "The Sims" back in my Windows days, and that was all the "doll play" I needed! I'm all grown up and ready to draw my *own* models, and I'll let other people have some for free, when I get good enough that people would want to use them.
You had me interested in what you had to say up until this part:
You've all be spoiled by the easy access to pirated software, music and movies.
That's when I stopped reading. Since I use legally free software, your post was obviously irrelevant to anyone like me.
-the real Urocyon
Anon only 'cause I'm too lazy to create an account