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EC Reviews New Complaints Against Microsoft
Rob tells us that while Microsoft may still be fighting against existing antitrust sanctions the European Commission is already reviewing new complaints made against the software giant. From the article: "European Commission spokesperson, Jonathan Todd, confirmed that the competition commission is considering the complaints but said that no decision has been taken on a course of action, adding that the commission does not have to wait for formal complaints to take action against a company it suspects of anti-competitive behavior."
Not enough cowbell.
same old, same old... Microsoft upsetting people again...
Donald 'Duck' Dunn: We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
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if the EC did force M$ to embrace interoperability. it would be a boon for open source, and other software companies wanting to not get stomped on with each new rev of OS/application suite.
After reading through the article, I didn't find much in the way of information. What specifically was the problem here? Microsoft still bundling? What are they being accused of bundling this time?
The kleptocrats can't quite afford their new mansions and yauchts. They're looking for large, rich businesses to help them out.
"confirmed that the competition commission is considering the complaints" I can barely say that out loud, let alone imagine how Microsofts attorneys are going to understand it said with a British Accent.
The European Commission do seem to keep pluggin on this. However, I was under the impression that their first ruling was supposed to have put this to rest.
I know they already issued a financial punishment to Microsoft (which Microsoft could undoubtedly afford) but seeing as this has 'come back' again, you'd think they would arrange a punishment which would actually hurt Microsoft - to persuad them to Be Good(tm)
Ripping an new rectum in the fabric of spacetime.
These complaints come as no surprise, according to inside sources.
Go, and never darken my towels again! -- Rufus
.... that an microsoft antitrust article features a ginormous ad for Windows XP
Why should Microsoft be forced to help their competitors? If the competitors get stomped, it's their bloody fault for not coming up with a better product.
The owls are not what they seem
...just slap them on the hand and force them to seed 2 billion dollars into a market they don't dominate...that'll teach em!
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[How do you say "blah" in French or German?]
Give a man a fish and you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish, and he'll say "WHERE'S MY FISH, YOU IDIOT?"
Are they are looking to fill a hole in their budget here?
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.....move the chairs out of Ballmer's office.
This is my opinion. To make sure you don't steal it, it's covered by the DMCA.
Looks like if this goes through then Open Source Software and Microsoft will be on a level playing field when it comes to interoperability.
Could things like the Windows Media format and network API nightmares could be a thing of the past on Linux and FreeBSD?
Come to think of it, will this mean that Microsoft's evil 'Direct Play' API will become an open spec? If so then this will good news for game porters the world over.
Please don't fool yourself - the combined countries of the EU are a much bigger economic power than the US and it's bad laws by foolish Eurocrats that are the only things stopping that unity working as well as it should. Even so, any US company that ignores the EU does so at its own peril.
Sorry, but if you want to trade in a country or region then you play by its rules, end of story.
Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
I hate Microsoft and all, but....never trust a guy with 2 first names.
In Europe Microsoft has different contracts with businesses preventing them from using other software.
For instance: to become some kind a MS-partner you have to have at least 30% of your staff and 50% of your sales people have some kind of MS Certification. The total share of your servers/clients that has to be Windows 70%. Next to that, if a MCS... can convince management to replace a Linux server by a Windows server they can get a bonus from MS up to 1000 Euro/server.
IF you can or will not comply your company will have to pay all licenses in full until 2 years back
To the people that don't believe me: I worked in such a company with such a contract. I told one of the customers that Microsoft wasn't his best choice for the technical needs he had (big customer, lots of servers) and I almost got fired because some big shot from Microsoft got to hear about it and demanded my release or they would revoke the license advantages. If you complain to the authorities same Bad Things(tm) will happen
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...and get some business hammocks. I hear there are a few places for that on third.
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It is great that more people are finally speaking out against the monopolistic and mob-like business practices of Microsoft. The question is: Is the EC finally going to do something about it or are they letting Microsoft bullying and bribing them again.
The EU is part of the operating system.
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"Microsoft still bundling? What are they being accused of bundling this time?"
Notepad?
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copied from the dutch computerrijbewijs.nl
Module 0 (Office 97 t/m 2003)
Module 1 (theorie)
Module 2 (Windows 98 / 2000 / XP)
Module 3 (Word 97 t/m 2003)
Module 4 (Excel 97 t/m 2003)
Module 5 (Access 97 t/m 2003)
Module 6 (PowerPoint 97 t/m 2003)
Module 7 (Internet Explorer 5/6)
The ECDL programme is done by many, many millions, now even outside Europe, as the ICDL.
This is just awful and needs to be changed rigorously NOW !!
"The Pope? How many divisions does he have?"
Fuck Slashdot
I got a better idea. Replace the chairs with these ergonomic, impact-proof models!
Pratt.
I'm sure that's precisely how it went.
Please stop giving the rest of us Americans a bad name with your drivel.
When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
FTA: "Ms Kroes [EC Competition Commissioner] has declared herself "determined" that open source developers should have access to the information, and Microsoft appealed to the Court of First Instance recently to get a legal decision on whether it should be required to share communications source code with open source software vendors."
This is about whether or not MS meets interoperability standards mandated by the EC as part of the last action against MS.
It seems crystal-clear to me: Either the standards are open, and therefore fully interoperable, or they're not.
For MS to say that their standards fulfill interoperability requirements, without allowing anyone (especially the Open Source community) to see those standards, is complete hogwash.
"the two sides still cannot agree on whether interoperability information should be made available to open source software suppliers"
The two sides? One is a private corporation, the other is a government entity. There is only one side with legal authority, and MS had better be prepared to shape up when their appeal result comes next year.
"Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
You must have plenty of time. Maybe you should *QUEUE* outside of your unemployment office with your fellow mates instead. That's what you and the rest of the EU are good at...getting handouts.
"the combined countries of the EU are a much bigger economic power than the US and it's bad laws by foolish Eurocrats that are the only things stopping that unity working as well as it should."
Your phrasing is more than a bit off -- how about 'the combined economies of EU member-states, if they operated coherently, would be more powerful than the US economy.'
Just because something is larger does not make it more powerful -- power is the ability to wield that size.
Also, the size and power of the European economy has little to do with this issue -- it's the size of the market for a particular product. The market, and the threat of denying access to it, is the only weapon the EC can use to influence MS's activities.
"Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
"Since when does anyone give a crap about MS source code... I thought they just wanted the specifications for these protocols published in a free (beer and speech) manner?"
I do!
I could finally write good quality and secure code from the masters.
http://saveie6.com/
I hate to say this, buddy, but there are cities in the US with huge unemployment areas, your education system is suffering & while you have good quality healthcare, no-one on a minimum wage can afford it. So I think we cancel each other out on those bits...
We need cash, lets rape the Americans; they only gave us electricity, phones, internet, cars, planes.
Yes, quite possibly. But the longbow (a weapon that, like the aircraft, revolutionised warfare) was a French invention (I believe), the jet engine was British, Airbus will trounce Boeing & you handed over your car industry to the Japanese, just like we did. Oh, and let's not forget that what brought the Internet out of the realm of academics into the eyes of the general public was the World Wide Web, invented by Tim Berners-Lee who was *BRITISH*.
Oh and gratitude, screw it, who cares that they lost 10,000s, of 10,000s of young men bailing us out of two world wars last century, we don't like Bush now.
Erm, what about the equal numbers of European young men who died in those same wars??? And Australians, Japanese, etc. etc.??? Or were their sacrifices any less just because they weren't American? I find your statement offensive & ignorant....
Gratitude, that's not trendy, "evil Americans" is.
I've nothing against most American people - hell, I was in the US when 9/11 happened & I wept for the dead as much as any of the US citizens around me did. However, whilst most governments are just plain corrupt, the Bush administration is *EVIL* & your politicians are nothing but puppets to the corporate lobbyists. That's why anything that stops your evil corporations in their tracks is a *good* thing for the rest of the world.
Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
How about I queue alongside US farmers because I'll end up getting two handouts? One from US government subsidies so that I can produce "artificially cheap" foodstuffs & the other from the combined efforts of McDonald's & KFC to destroy the face of agriculture purely to make cheaper junk food...
Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
" electricity, phones, internet, cars, planes, etc. etc." Pah. All Indian!
...and he grinned, like a fox eating shit out of a wire brush.
I would say with a 50% larger population compared to the US the market for products that are needed by almost every office worker should be a lot larger than the one in the US even if the companies employing these workers might not generate the same profit as the US.
Linux is not Windows
According to this artical, the specification is worthless:s ofts_eu_concession/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/03/19/why_micro
Quote from artical:
"The source code itself is the specification . The level of detail required to interoperate successfully is simply not documentable - it would produce a stack of paper so high you might as well publish the source code."
However, they also say:
"There is information that the Samba developers want to see: the IDL descriptions for remote procedure calls. These underpin tasks such as adding users, and adding quotas and shares, and Samba developers have successfully decoded them over the wire. But it's hard work.
"These IDL descriptions are *key* for providing interoperability with Microsoft clients," wrote the team in a submission to the EU commissioners earlier this year. "If these IDL descriptions were published, open and equal interoperability with Microsoft products would be greatly enhanced (although still not perfect)."
Allison says the Samba team has requested the IDL definitions from Microsoft annually, most recently at the 2001 CIFS conference, without success."
So either they give up their source code, and endlessly whine about nasty governments "forcing them to give up their crown jewels," or else hand over a buggy spec, and risk having a court find that they failed to comply with a court order.
No doubt, they would do the latter, and try to argue that buggy specs is standard industry practice, and drag it out forever.
You realise only ~10 people will get that joke?
Probably- and not all Indian either..
...and he grinned, like a fox eating shit out of a wire brush.
Thus the drive by MS to push DRM'd proprietary formats with illegal tying to other proprietary tools, all protected by the DMCA/EUCD, EEA and sw patents. Then the US will enforce MS' will.
Indeed. It's a subtle straw-man.
"They want the barest minimum information on how our products talk to each other so they can ensure interoperability"
is a lot more reasonable-sounding than
"They want the actual source code of our products" (implied: so they can rip-off our hard-created intellectual property).
Frankly nobody I know would want to touch MS source code, apart from possibly virus/worm writers. Everyone else'd rather see the access and comms protocols and write their own implementations. Ones that, y'know, work.
Unfortunately, this distinction is lost on many non-technical types, and Microsoft and its lawyers have hardly been correcting people when they make the mistakes, since it's to their advantage to have it presented this way.
Everything in moderation, including moderation itself
The EU commissioner for competition, Neelie Kroes, is a very contreversial figure in Europe. She was revieing cases of companies that she was working for only a few months before, has a habit of sticking her nose into everything, and not always complying to behavior codes she accepted when taking on the position.
Last year she even got a University she used to work for to give Bill Gates an honory doctorate.
I wouldn't be surprised if the whole process slowed to a halt because of her.
Erm, what about the equal numbers of European young men who died in those same wars??? And Australians, Japanese, etc. etc.??? Or were their sacrifices any less just because they weren't American? I find your statement offensive & ignorant....
Actually, never mind any of that. The Russians won the war and the Russians suffered the casualties. They lost millions of people, more than all other allies together. 3/4 of the Germans' losses were on the eastern front. Where the hell is the gratitude to the Russians?
(See the Economist from April or so when the V-Day celebrations were on for the details)
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