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Datels 4GB Hard Drive for PSP Reviewed

PSP News writes "The announcement that Datel was producing a 4GB Hard Drive addon was just the thing the PSP Community was looking for and today Lik Sang has done a great hands on review of the product that provides more details and a much nicer price of $199 instead of the rather high $249 which was originally posted."

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  1. Think of all of the...... by 8127972 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ..... Homebrew apps and porn you can store.

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  2. First pspost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    I for one welcome our new 4GB warez .. errr.. homebrew overlords

  3. Whats the point? by Hellad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With sony's efforts to kill the homebrew market, whats the point? For music? iPod. I guess for video, but a giant harddrive like that seems to be a detriment rather than an addition...

    1. Re:Whats the point? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Ya, not to mention the amount of battery charge this thing will tap out of the PSP as it is.

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    2. Re:Whats the point? by 8127972 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sony won't kill the Homebrew market. After all, these were the same geniuses that came up with copy protection that was defeated by a magic marker.

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    3. Re:Whats the point? by richy+freeway · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It doubles up as a larger battery as well.

    4. Re:Whats the point? by Sinryc · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Actually, it comes with another battery that they claims is "X2" so you dont have to worry as much.

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    5. Re:Whats the point? by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      are you nuts? the psp would be the killer portable video platform, and it falls on it's face because they did not put a HDD in it to begin with.

      If the PSP was a game,video, pocket tivo playback, mp3 player all in one with a nice big vivid screen it would start to take a helluva bite out of the ipod market share.

      it had the potential, but as usual, sony stopped short.

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    6. Re:Whats the point? by ZiakII · · Score: 1

      Sony won't kill the Homebrew market. After all, these were the same geniuses that came up with copy protection that was defeated by a magic marker.

      I didn't hear about it and I googled it; interested in reading something about it if you don't mind posting a link or a short summary.

    7. Re:Whats the point? by Hellad · · Score: 1

      Right, but you are talking about the PSP that you wished they would have made. This solution is ackward at best. It reminds me of the handspring springboard modules which never took off becasue it simply doesn't work with the ergonomics or the form factor that sony has created.

    8. Re:Whats the point? by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, for those who have legally dumped their games onto memory sticks and played them, the speed increase is *wonderful*. A lot of games have very low load times now (and it seems a few have hard coded delays since they show the developer/publisher/etc splash screens with no UMD/memory stick activity.

      UMD is slow. Pathetically slow. (Slow enough that the UMDs often have dummy data near the beginning to shove the real data to the end of the UMD, where it can be read much faster, as well as possibly to make it easier to seek around). It's also nice that I can store my games in two 512MB memory sticks (plus have space for a few homebrew emulators). Much smaller than carrying a few UMDs and cases. This will be good for those with larger collections to carry around.

      Plus there are a few that use it as their iPod Video... holds a few more movies. Or a few more MP3s.

    9. Re:Whats the point? by ZiakII · · Score: 1, Redundant

      nevermind I didn't google it good enough the first time here is the link http://www.boycott-riaa.com/forums/Copyprotected/1 180/ if anyone is intrested in reading about it

    10. Re:Whats the point? by DrSkwid · · Score: 1
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    11. Re:Whats the point? by timster · · Score: 1

      If the PSP was a game,video, pocket tivo playback, mp3 player all in one with a nice big vivid screen it would start to take a helluva bite out of the ipod market share.

      Ah, yes. I'm sure that the iPod would be trounced by a device the size of a paperback book with a $499 price tag.

      The PSP is already four times the size of an iPod, and has three times as many buttons. Anyone who says the PSP can draw iPod buyers doesn't understand the reasons people buy the iPod.

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    12. Re:Whats the point? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      stopped short my ass.

      You can fit 2 feature length films, even possibly more, on a 1 gig memory stick.

      now, if they locked the system down to only using 32 meg stock cards, then they'd have "stopped short." But they haven't.

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    13. Re:Whats the point? by cicatrix1 · · Score: 1

      Sony stopped short? That's my move!

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    14. Re:Whats the point? by Jac_no_k · · Score: 1

      A little over six hours of video at low bitrate can be stored on a 1GB duo. This is how I plan to keep the kid entertained on the international flight I am going on soon.

    15. Re:Whats the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... thers too many replies, so im gunna be lazy and just reply "free games". u can download all the newest games(burnout, marvel nemesis, etc) thru BT(bittorrent).

      u need some applications and have 1.5 firmware but the images are big (about 100mb) and with this huge hdd, u can have the whole storage of ipod, put like 2 dvds, or have a whole library of free games :-P

    16. Re:Whats the point? by nissu · · Score: 1
      are you nuts? the psp would be the killer portable video platform, and it falls on it's face because they did not put a HDD in it to begin with.
      I don't think there is such a thing as "killer portable video platform".

      Nobody (apart from few geeks) wants to actually watch a movie from a tiny 3-4" screen, not to mention all the trouble you have to go through to convert your DVD's into format understood by the portable.

      Put in a bigger screen and you end up with a brick. Might just as well carry around a small laptop.

    17. Re:Whats the point? by Pope · · Score: 1

      Buy the kid a few books. :)

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    18. Re:Whats the point? by Jac_no_k · · Score: 1

      Already done... unfortunately she's 2 years old so there's only so many simple books I can carry on board. About ten books only lasts one hour. It's a ten hour flight, she'll sleep for about 3 hours of it so I need to fill 7 hours. Four hours on the PSP, one hour with books, and hopefully two hours with the lappy will keep her entertained.

    19. Re:Whats the point? by Khaotix · · Score: 1

      *shrug* I bought a PSP over an ipod. It has a screen large enough that it works well as a portable vid player. Once 4gb Memsticks become cheaper then I'll go buy one ... for now a 1gb does the job for me. I've got an old 256 loaded with nothing but mp3s, the 1gb holds a movie and a TV show or two at solid quality.

      PSP is what I bring to and from work (I ride the Subway)

      My ipod mini is what I take for situations where I won't have my messenger bag or such to throw it in. (The PSP + case fits in my back pocket ... but I have it take it out whenever I sit down.)

      I see them as two different products, each with their own benefits.

  4. frst psp! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ha!

  5. PSP by Mr.+Vandemar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Portable Secret Porn! This will probably create some awkward public transportation encounters for me...

    1. Re:PSP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that a PSP with a huge hard drive strapped to it in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

    2. Re:PSP by tjasond · · Score: 1

      I think these guys already have that covered. Warning: Not safe for work.

  6. Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, it's only $450 to get a PSP+4GB hard drive. Um.. great.

    How long until we can just give up on and start addressing it as what it is: a high-end PDA with high-end PDA prices and, coincidentally, a D-Pad?

    In the meantime, just for the record, if you go out and buy a 30GB Video iPod plus a Nintendo DS, your grand total will be $420. Just saying.

    1. Re:Great. by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "In the meantime, just for the record, if you go out and buy a 30GB Video iPod plus a Nintendo DS, your grand total will be $ 420 . Just saying."

      So it also serves as bong?

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    2. Re:Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And who's gonna use that combo? A 9 year old homosexual? Big market there professor.

    3. Re:Great. by acvh · · Score: 1

      "In the meantime, just for the record, if you go out and buy a 30GB Video iPod plus a Nintendo DS, your grand total will be $420."

      If you are suggesting that the video on an iPod comes anywhere near the video on a PSP, I would like to meet you under the bleachers after homeroom. I'll grant that gaming is subjective and the DS vs. PSP debate is legit and ongoing - but nothing handheld, be it game machine, PDA, iPod or whatever, comes close to the video on a PSP.

    4. Re:Great. by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      You can get handheld movie players for a lot less than that too, if that's what you want to do.

      Saw one this afternoon with a beautiful screen about 50% larger than the PSP... no idea what the battery life is though.

    5. Re:Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Wait... you bought UMDs? Ha!

      Idiot.

    6. Re:Great. by TooMuchEspressoGuy · · Score: 1
      "How long until we can just give up on and start addressing it as what it is: a high-end PDA with high-end PDA prices and, coincidentally, a D-Pad?"

      The main difference being that the PSP doesn't have a touchscreen, thereby severely limiting its use as a PDA. I'd consider the PSP to be more along the lines of a luxury handheld gaming machine, something like what the XB360 will be to the Nintendo Revolution... though I still consider the DS to be the much better buy, and I'll likely recommend the Revolution over the 360 as well.

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    7. Re:Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      if you go out and buy a 30GB Video iPod plus a Nintendo DS, your grand total will be $420
      or you could get a game boy micro and a play-yan micro for about $180 and play from SD-card.
    8. Re:Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> If you are suggesting that the video on an iPod comes anywhere near the video on a PSP, I would like to meet you under the bleachers after homeroom.

      You want to make out with him?

    9. Re:Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Dear name-caller,

      I value portability. I trust that Sony will allow its Universal Media Disc format to be used in all order of players within the next few years.

      Sincerely,
      Josiah

    10. Re:Great. by martin_b1sh0p · · Score: 1

      I have to second that. When I first got my PSP and popped in the free movie trailer disk that came with it I was in shock at how friggin great the picture was. Showed it to my friends and they were all amazed as well.

    11. Re:Great. by falcon5768 · · Score: 1

      then they realized you where a moron to have spent 20 bucks on a DVD you could get cheap, and view anywhere and not ONLY on a tiny handheld screen.

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    12. Re:Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then you'll be able to watch low-res movies that cost more than their DVD counterparts on your TV. Ha!

      Idiot.

    13. Re:Great. by Elranzer · · Score: 1

      Expecting to play UMD's on a device other than a PSP in your lifetime? You must be one of those guys who are hoping that the PSP will take out Nintendo's handheld monopoly "any day now." Keep dreaming fanboi.

      "Universal" Media Disc... biggest oxymoron (by Sony) evar.

    14. Re:Great. by martin_b1sh0p · · Score: 1

      Who said anything about a $20 DVD (I'm assuming you mean UMD)? I have yet to buy (and probably won't ever) a UMD movie for the PSP. The UMD I was talking about was the FREE one that came with the unit.

      If anything it shows me the quality of the screen and how great my ripped movies from my DVD collection are going to look on it (which so far I've got Office Space on my 1 GB memory stick and as I expected it looks AWESOME).

    15. Re:Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course not. I would never watch something as low-res as a DVD or UMD on my television. That's why I'm going to buy my UMD movies again in Blu-Ray and/or HD-DVD format so that I enjoy the full high definition experience.

    16. Re:Great. by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      but nothing handheld, be it game machine, PDA, iPod or whatever, comes close to the video on a PSP.

      Ehhh.... maybe you mean no kitchen-sink handhelds...

    17. Re:Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1GB for a movie to be displayed on a pissweak resolution screen? it'd better look fucking perfect, thats more data than a true dvd for a native res that small

      i cant believe some of you retards

    18. Re:Great. by dcapel · · Score: 1

      And it runs linux! (both :p)

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    19. Re:Great. by dcapel · · Score: 1

      And they run linux!

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    20. Re:Great. by steve_bryan · · Score: 1

      Saw one this afternoon with a beautiful screen about 50% larger than the PSP

      What resolution do you think that larger screen might have? It is probably engineered for low price and NTSC resolution which is about 320x240. Compare that with the 480x272 for the PSP screen. It would be cool (and maybe not so inexpensive) if someone made a 7" portable DVD player that took full advantage of the 720x480 resolution of the DVD format like a laptop computer can.

    21. Re:Great. by pintomp3 · · Score: 1

      considering it lacks most of the features of a pda, i fail to see how it is a high end one. perhaps you have it confused with the tapwave zodiac. the psp doesn't even have a touch screen. also, the screen on the psp is much better for viewing video than both the ipod and the nintendo.

    22. Re:Great. by Shano · · Score: 1

      I'd be most surprised if they haven't. Toshiba made a 9" player with a 1024x600 screen at least two years ago. The original Libretto was 640x480 on a 6" screen, so it seems reasonable to make it a little wider. Unfortunately, I haven't paid much attention to that market since.

    23. Re:Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That comment doesn't make any sense.

    24. Re:Great. by martin_b1sh0p · · Score: 1

      Again, people on slashdot making assumptions. Did I say that the whole movie takes up 1GB? No. I said I have a 1GB memory stick on which I have Office Space. I can fit up to 4 movies on a 1GB memory stick and the movies will be just ok. I can fit 2 movies that look great. Right now I just have 1 movie on there (taking up about 450mb) because I use the rest for music and game data.

  7. The simple question EVERYONE is asking by Work+Account · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Why not use RAM technology in a light compact portable stick?

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    1. Re:The simple question EVERYONE is asking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ram doesnt work like that... when you turn off the psp, unless there is power supplied to the ram continually, it wipes.

      what good is saving stuff if you cannot have it when you restart your electronics?

    2. Re:The simple question EVERYONE is asking by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      Because a 4GB flash memory stick would cost a little/a lot more.

    3. Re:The simple question EVERYONE is asking by User+956 · · Score: 1

      Because Sony's 4GB memory stick costs a hair shy of $600.

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    4. Re:The simple question EVERYONE is asking by Oynk · · Score: 1
      Im sorry but the simple question I am asking is: How come they didn't just put a compact flash slot in to begin with instead of force feeding everyone the Memory Stick®.

      I concede that this is what 90% of the posts on this thread will be. At least I am relatively early!

    5. Re:The simple question EVERYONE is asking by faragon · · Score: 1

      Remember than hard disk magnetic media operating life is usually much greater than FLASH/EEPROM technologies.

    6. Re:The simple question EVERYONE is asking by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Funny

      RAM technology sucks down power like like a coke whore on vacation in Columbia
        FLASH technology may or may not be a great idea either because of its relatively limited (compared to a HD) # of read/write cycles

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    7. Re:The simple question EVERYONE is asking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Sony (like Intel) has this mentality:

      "If we didn't invent it, we don't want it"

      Sony examples: Memory Stick.

      Intel examples: DDR, IEEE-1394.

      Add more examples as you see fit.

    8. Re:The simple question EVERYONE is asking by alandd · · Score: 1

      FLASH technology may or may not be a great idea either because of its relatively limited (compared to a HD) # of read/write cycles

      I test flash all the time and have several tests running right now. I have some tests that will kill a hard drive, many times within 24 hours, but flash shrug off. The major weak spot of hard drives is the mechanical operation.

      With the current write endurance and wear-leveling capabilities of flash and flash controllers, I would easily expect flash to outlast hard drives because the hard drive will mechanically fail before the flash will wear-out.

    9. Re:The simple question EVERYONE is asking by PalmKiller · · Score: 1

      You are correct that sony invented the memory stick I believe. But I am going to have to question your intel examples.

      I think you mean intel invented RDRAM, not DDR. They fought against DDR for quite a long time. Also ieee1394 was primarily invented by apple as firewire, not by intel.

      Intel examples are PCI, RDRAM.

    10. Re:The simple question EVERYONE is asking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Intel invented ieee1394, dumped it as a technology not worth pursuing and Apple picked it up and ran with it.

      Like they did with the gui from xerox, apple did not in any way shape or form invent ieee1394/iLink/Firewire either.

    11. Re:The simple question EVERYONE is asking by NickV · · Score: 1

      Intel invented ieee1394, dumped it as a technology not worth pursuing and Apple picked it up and ran with it.

      That's completely and utterly false. Apple invented ieee 1394 in the 80s.

      I mean, come on! That took all of 3 seconds of searching on google.

    12. Re:The simple question EVERYONE is asking by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

      If I am not mistaken, flash memory is NVRAM.

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    13. Re:The simple question EVERYONE is asking by Hast · · Score: 1

      Because a compact flash card (even non micro drives) are on the scale of 10 times larger than memory stick duo?

      Incidently they do not have 10 times the capacity nor 1/10th the price.

      Of the devices I own which use memory the majority (PDA, mobile phone and PSP) use memory stick. (The PDA uses non-duo sticks as well.) My cameras take SD and compact flash. So I have to own a bunch of formats anyways.

    14. Re:The simple question EVERYONE is asking by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      And what tests will kill a drive in less than 24 hours? Are you shacking the things to death?

    15. Re:The simple question EVERYONE is asking by Michalson · · Score: 1

      Regardless of any arguments over who invented it, you still have to give Apple credit for recognizing the technology, obtaining industry partners, and bringing it to market, where they promptly screwed it over by taking an ego trip on the Firewire name, resulting a naming mess that let USB own everything but digital video cameras and a few external harddrives (Apple then released Mac OS 10.3 to get rid of most of the harddrives too)

  8. Bad idea by Work+Account · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you're going to use a battery-slurping technology like hard disk with all those moving parts, you should at least offer more than what modern RAM technology can store (i.e. the 1,2,4 GB range) on the disc since it wouldn't require any more size or power resources to go from 4GB HDD to 10 or 20GB.

    You'd get a lot more for your money and could actually store all your portable data, such as a decent song collection in mp3/ogg/wma as well as some videos of TV shows perhaps and some photos.

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    1. Re:Bad idea by ForestGrump · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you RTFA...eh I'll just give you the gist.

      They went out and tried a larger drive (6 gig I beleive).

      Long story short, the PSP firmware didn't like the 6 gigger and refused to use it.

      Grump

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    2. Re:Bad idea by snuf23 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      These aren't laptop style hard drives, they are Compact Flash micro drives which are much smaller and use less battery juice. The largest capacity I can seem to find is 6GB, or 8GB flash modules. The 8GB flash cards cost over $700.
      And as the other poster mentioned, the current PSP firmware won't work with drives over 4GB in size.

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  9. Can't put it in your pocket by blackmonday · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The pics show a much bulkier PSP. It's almost impossible to pocket a PSP now, forget about it with this add-on. The article has some interesting points, 4 GB is the largest capacity supported by the PSP's OS, and inside the gadget is a run of the mill 4GB microdrive that can be swapped with Compact Flash cards (better battery power?). They didn't reveal the battery impact of this gadget, its still in "testing" phase.

    1. Re:Can't put it in your pocket by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      Anyone know how large the PSP movies are?
      or is that an irrelevant question b/c you can't get 'em off the cartridge

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    2. Re:Can't put it in your pocket by Bri3D · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I believe the neoflash team(a group working on PSP memory adaptors) was able to add up to 36gb on the PSP and have recognized, and haven't tested higher simply because their hardware can't do anything higher. By the way an average PSP game is ~600mb, a movie ripped off UMD is 1.8gb exactly, and a good-quality feature length movie for 2.0(H.264) is about 600mb while for 1.5(MPEG4 Simple) it's about 800mb.

    3. Re:Can't put it in your pocket by puppetman · · Score: 1

      I used to have a Palm Tungsten E, and a Samsung cel phone - both used to fit in my pocket, and both got washed by my wife.

      My new Audiovox PDA/phone combo and PSP are too large to fit in my pocket, and I consider that a good thing.

  10. Not really bud by Work+Account · · Score: 1

    A SanDisk 4GB Memory Stick Pro Edition is $243 on the consumer market, meaning its cost in a business to business transaction for such purposes could be as low as $100 or $150, and they could still mark it up $50 to $100.

    All that, plus lighter and much longer battery life considering reading/writing to RAM is so inexpensive from a power standpoint versus doing the same to hard disk with all those moving parts.

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    1. Re:Not really bud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate to rain on your smug parade, chief, but that $243 4gb memory stick "pro" you linked to isn't the same form factor as used in the PSP. You need the "pro duo" (smaller), which costs nearly $600.

    2. Re:Not really bud by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

      The card he linked to WILL work in the hard drive adaptor this article is about. I belive that was his point.

      On a side note, this HDD will probobly live longer than a flash card. Not sure how long they last with a ton of reads/writes.

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  11. Sounds good to me... by B11 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    4 gigs of pr0n to go? Sound like a winner to me.

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    1. Re:Sounds good to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only 4 Gig? That's not even enough for my arm to get tired... and I still they they should be using flash, not a hard drive.

    2. Re:Sounds good to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only 4 Gig? That's not even enough for my arm to get tired

      Let me offer you a good deal on some Viagra pills. 640KB ought to be enough for anybody using Viagra.

  12. Nicer is Relative by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Insightful
    a much nicer price of $199 instead of the rather high $249 which was originally

    $50/GB ($49.75+tax/GB for the purists) leaves me believing that you and I have a different definition of nicer.

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    1. Re:Nicer is Relative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      $50/GB ($49.75+tax/GB for the purists) leaves me believing that you and I have a different definition of nicer.

      Ahh, so according to your definition, paying $50/20% less than what was originally thought is not nicer?

    2. Re:Nicer is Relative by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      It is a better price than originally solicited. Even with the older price, it would still beat the cost of 4 x 1GB MS Pro Duo cards and beat the inconvenience of swapping them out, and the new price is better yet.

    3. Re:Nicer is Relative by Hoch · · Score: 1

      You must be the type that thinks attaching a 200GB Hard Drive to a portable device is a Good Idea.
      In the real world however, $50/GB is not unreasonable in this market since Memory Sticks are ~$100/GB.

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    4. Re:Nicer is Relative by MillerAH · · Score: 1
      a much nicer price of $199 instead of the rather high $249 which was originally

      $50/GB ($49.75+tax/GB for the purists) leaves me believing that you and I have a different definition of nicer.
      $50/GB is a whole lot better than $90/GB (or higher) for MS Dou Pro.
      Not to mention the extended battery life that comes included.

      I'm gonna get one.
    5. Re:Nicer is Relative by computechnica · · Score: 1

      It could not be as hard as connecting a 200 gig hard drive to a Ipod Nano :

  13. Combine this with the TV adapter! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    And this on the heels of the announcement of the TV adapter!
     
    So combine the hard drive plus the TV adapter, and your PSP can now serve as a ... comfortable home for a family of four?

  14. i'll be a proud owner.. by torpor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    .. not of PSP, but of GP32X of course [since its an extremely inexpensive open gaming system, ripe for hobby, potent new-market development], and i'll be bunging one of these babies in it which, fortunately for me, are not quite as expensive as the press releases parrot, at least not in decent bulk orders .. a condition undoubtedly set to diminish, as the market floods with bigger and bigger SD cards.

    so, i think its a bit passé to be cheery about this hard drive business on PSP. hard drives are terrible things to chuck around, and well .. no game machine worth its salt doesn't get chucked around, or at least thats the way i see game machines. i'd be happier if i could use SD in the PSP, natively, without requiring 3rd-party accessorization, anyway ..

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    1. Re:i'll be a proud owner.. by Elranzer · · Score: 2

      Same here. I can't wait for the GP2X to come out and shut these PSP homebrew peeps up for good. PSP's homebrew "scene" was about as exciting as a dead Korean whore compared to Gamepark32's, and the GP2X is only gonna overshadow them both.

    2. Re:i'll be a proud owner.. by the_weasel · · Score: 1

      I believe use of the term 'peeps' in conversation eliminates your comments from serious consideration. Really. Nevertheless :

      Gamepark32? Is that the sequel to larry Niven and Steve Barnes wonderful Dreakpark serious? A handheld gaming device you say? I love games. Where can I go to pick up this amazing device, plus a few games? I didn't see it at Futureshop, Bestbuy, EBGames, Blockbuster or Walmart. Sounds like its successor is just poised to destroy the PSP, though, so I will put my PSP in the garbage right away. All hail the GP2X.

      When exactly will Hotshots Golf or Burnout be available for it? Or other games I recognize with quality graphics and gameplay that isn't permanently stuck in the beta stage?

      I bought the PSP to play GAMES. And I love the games I play on it. Movies, Web browsing, homebrew, all secondary to the main goal. Something tells me aside from geek factor your GP2X is not going to cut it (emulating ancient gaming platforms at slow frame rates does not count).

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    3. Re:i'll be a proud owner.. by torpor · · Score: 1

      I didn't see it at Futureshop, Bestbuy, EBGames, Blockbuster or Walmart.

      Your slavish devotion to the confines of your consumer/producer-cult box preclude the rest of your comment from serious consideration.

      Its the 21st Century, man. Think Global. It no longer matters what you buy at your corner store.

      The GP32X can be had cheap from a very large number of places. Sure, it may not be 'selling in the millions', but rarely have big things ever achieved their large vista without humble and unique steps.

      You cannot, officially, develop games for the PSP. The PSP homebrew scene sits ever perilously on the edge of oblivion.

      For half the price of a PSP, you can get a great game platform for which you are allowed to write your own games. In fact, you're allowed to do whatever you like with it; not just live in the box granted you by your masters .. and that is entirely the point.

      At the rate the GP32X is selling, it won't be long before Wal Mart pays attention. I guarantee you it'll start to eat the PSP for lunch when it does .. and I promise you there will be, within 6 months, a thriving new platform for Linux games in the world .. where once it was thought Linux was weak, soon it will be un-deniably emminent.

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    4. Re:i'll be a proud owner.. by Slashcrap · · Score: 1

      I believe use of the term 'peeps' in conversation eliminates your comments from serious consideration. Really. Nevertheless :

      Slashdot really needs a "+5 Accidental Irony" moderation.

      Because telling someone that their use of a certain word disqualifies them from a "serious" discussion and then going on to describe how your choice of portable gaming console is better than theirs absolutely requires it.

    5. Re:i'll be a proud owner.. by the_weasel · · Score: 1

      Hah.

      Say what you will about my slavish devotion - I have a pretty good idea what makes a game platform succeed, and I don't think you have described it.

      We will see if your utopian ideal repaces my pragmatic outlook. I wish you luck. I would like things to play out the way you say, but I suspect i will be right anyway.

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  15. Indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If only there were some way to play futuristic racing games and watch storebought movies other than the PSP

  16. Re:Whats the point (of posting w/o RTFA)? by ReverendLoki · · Score: 2, Insightful
    FYI, as the article states, this drive ships with a X2 battery with it. They even tested battery length, comparing a standard battery w/ a 1 GB memory stick against the x2 battery and 4 GB HDD. Direct quote:

    • Playing movie with Standard Battery and SanDisk 1G Memory Stick: 4.45 Hours.
    • Playing movie with Datel X2 Battery and Datel 4GB Hard Drive: *Still Testing* (Updated within 24h)

    Looks to me like the new setup is/was able to run for around 24 hours under the new setup. I'm not surprised, given the size of the thing... I mean, it fits the lines of the device fine so it doesn't look out of place, and supposedly it doesn't weigh that much, according to their stats, but damn that's huge for a handheld device. Certainly doesn't really qualify as a pocket device with those attachements.

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  17. On eBay... by Darius+Jedburgh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...you can buy a used laptop with better graphics and much more storage for less money than a PSP+4Gb HDD. Sure, an old laptop might not be something cool to show off to your friends, but you can run games on a laptop. Come to think of it, I think you could get a new laptop for that price.

    1. Re:On eBay... by AndreiK · · Score: 2, Informative

      Already have. 40GB Hard drive laptop, good power output, and a much bigger screen was under 200 dollars.

      I really can't see the appeal of a PSP.

    2. Re:On eBay... by martin_b1sh0p · · Score: 1

      I never thought I'd buy one, but then my wife surprised me with one for my birthday. I love it! I justify it because it basically replaced my Sharp Zaurus SL-5600 (I even sold it on Ebay). Truth is I only used my Zaurus to play games, surf the web and watch movies on the go. Never really used it as a PDA. So all of the sudden I have a PSP that does all of that and way better in an almost as compact form factor (yes it fits in my pocket).

      Long story short, I think the answer to "can't see the appeal of a PSP" is for people like me who want movies, web and games on the go in a smaller than laptop form factor. I'm sure there are others that may have a different answer, but for me that's it.

    3. Re:On eBay... by Darius+Jedburgh · · Score: 1

      Every device has its niche. Some people have big pockets, some people have small pockets, some people like to carry a backpack with them at all times. Right now I'm finding that the GBA Micro is exactly what a want and a friend who just bought a PSP and a Micro has practically dumped the PSP in favor of the Micro (a Micro, not the much more powerful DS!). It's more compatible with life at work as an adult where carrying a PSP around all day might not look too good. But I've no doubt that there are people for whom a PSP is just what they want.

    4. Re:On eBay... by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but I can't easily play games on an old laptop on the fly.

      I can just pull my psp out of my backpack, turn it on, and go...

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    5. Re:On eBay... by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      I can't play Metal Gear Acid or Lumines or Coded Arms, etc on a Laptop.

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    6. Re:On eBay... by AndreiK · · Score: 1

      Ever hear of emulation?

    7. Re:On eBay... by pintomp3 · · Score: 1

      i can also use a laptop instead of an ipod. or a pda. or a pvp. portable can mean something you sling over your back, or it can mean something you stick in your pocket. the latter usually does less and costs more. the price you pay for convenience.

    8. Re:On eBay... by antek9 · · Score: 1

      Troll. You'd need - what? - a 10 GHz CPU or something to that effect if you want to emulate a dedicated game machine like the PSP with its 333 MHz processor. With even PS1 emulation on a PC not working sufficiently yet, how long do you intend to wait for proper PSP emus?

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    9. Re:On eBay... by Darius+Jedburgh · · Score: 1

      No. But I heard that there are some good games that run under Windows.

  18. It is a ripoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The 4GB drive inside is not a Hitachi or Toshiba, but a Magicstor microdrive, which is much ceaper. On February I purchased two Magicstor 4 GB microdrives for $79.95 a piece. How do the justify the $120 difference?. A box and a board are worth $120?. They wanted to charge even more, $249, that is $170 for the board and the box!!

    1. Re:It is a ripoff by rasty · · Score: 1

      And a battery.

  19. Re:Whats the point (of posting w/o RTFA)? by wo1verin3 · · Score: 1

    It's not 24 hours, it's that they are still testing and will update the site within 24 hours. :)

  20. Re:Whats the point (of posting w/o RTFA)? by nekura · · Score: 1

    Where'd you get the impression that it'll run for around 24 hours? The PSP they're testing hasn't died yet, but when it does, the comparison will be updated within 24 hours of it being posted.

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  21. $450?? by MooseTick · · Score: 0, Redundant

    For the price of this add-on and a PSP you can nearly get a brand new laptop. Talk about homebrew apps! Think of all the things you could do with a laptop! Play DVDs, games, view porn, and more!

  22. THE REAL REASON FOR THIS DEVICE by ferrellcat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Let's not kid ourselves. This is not about putting 4GB of video on the PSP, it's about 4GB of GAMES on the PSP. Right now there is a pent up demand for a larger storage device on the PSP. Many people who became aware of the cracked status of the PSP ran out and bought a 1GB memory stick. This allowed them to play about 95% of the games released so far. (A small minority are larger than 1GB in size without ripping content from the game). Several people, however balked at the high price of a 2GB memory stick. This 4GB device from Datel serves a very important nitch. The size of a single PSP game is now no longer a blockade to playing a pirated version of said game, and with several games coming in at 200-500MB each, this means one can carry anywhere from 3-10 (or more) games (plus a whole bunch of emus&games) on the PSP at once.

  23. Datel broke MagicGate. by Col.+Bloodnok · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They must be using their GateCrasher chip to pull this off, since it has a memory stick interface.

    I have a lot of respect for that firm. Standing up to Sony and creating some really cool products for their closed platform - the hard way.

    1. Re:Datel broke MagicGate. by KillShill · · Score: 1

      and since when has this anything to do with sony?

      this is a product for end users.

      sony has no say... in a free market. oh wait...

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    2. Re:Datel broke MagicGate. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember Datel from the Amiga days, and the Action Replay did some very clever tricks, like snooping the mc68000 bus so it could know what Copper/Blitter regs were set to, despite those being write only registers. They have some very good engineers and I'm not surprised they managed to pull this.

  24. Re:Whats the point (of posting w/o RTFA)? by ReverendLoki · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I got the impression based upon the fact that they used the past tense (updated) as opposed to a future tense (will update). I know these guys are in Hong Kong, and English is a pain in the ass, even for native speakers (just peruse these forums for further proof), but their grasp of the language was impressive enough based upon the rest of the article, that I decided to give them the benefit of the doubt.

    Now if I'm wrong, so be it. However, based upon the language used, I assumed that they had already updated the psoting of their results within the first 24 hours, and planned to update it further later on. That's all.

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  25. Hm.... by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 1

    Interesting choice now. I sold my old iPod, and with the money I now have, I was planning on getting a new iPod with video.

    The question now is, which is better:

    1 iPod Nano so I can listen to all of the songs on my iTunes/Podcasts/Audiobooks, and have the 4 GB PSP add-on to my current PSP so I can have space for multiple reencoded movies to the 4 GB HDD for when I travel

    OR

    1 iPod with video at 60 GB space, and leave my PSP as it is with a 512 MB card for my homebrew (ah, the joys of never upgrading past 1.50 so I can use my NES/SNES/Genesis/Game Boy emulators as long as I want).

    The former means I get better video quality when I travel, but I'll lose out on the iTunes television sales (and, if they start adding Veronica Mars, Mythbusters, and the Daily Show, I might be sorely tempted to use it to catch the episodes I forget to Tivo). The latter means I keep the status quo, and have more storage space.

    Odds are I'll go with the latter, but at least now I have another option.

    1. Re:Hm.... by Elranzer · · Score: 1

      (ah, the joys of never upgrading past 1.50 so I can use my NES/SNES/Genesis/Game Boy emulators as long as I want)

      Try playing them on a GP32 (or a GP2X). It has a standard screen so your emus don't have black bars on the sides nor look shitty when stretched to widescreen (you have to choose between those two when playing on a PSP).

      Seriously, these PSP homebrew kiddies must not know what a real homebrew scene is...

    2. Re:Hm.... by Koil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have had my PSP since near launch (1.5) and have just recently gotten into putting the Emu's on my PSP and I absolutely love it. I only have a 32Mb card that came with it, so this allows me Tetris, Doom, and my SNES Emu with MKII, MKIII, and Killer Instinct (man, I forgot how much I loved that game). I don't have any black bars or stretched screens when I use my NES/SNES emulators and I have run quite a few games through them. This may be the case when using the GameBoy emu's, as I haven't used any of those.

      Anyway, this addition is for the people who are looking for more space and allow there PSP to be all things to them, except and interactive PDA, I'll give you that. But for people that can watch there movies, assorted videos, play the homebrew apps, play the games released for it, listen to their MP3's, look at their pics, etc....I'd say that the PSP still has a pretty damn good bit going for it.

      Myself personally, I think carrying around a HD attached to the PSP does take away from the last P in the name, but to some...its not an issue.

      Its quite annoying to hear the fanbois from the Nintendo side, or whatever that GP32 (or a GP2X) system is, call us fanboi's, when thats JUST what you're doing yourselves. If thats what you want, fine...honky dorey, but don't knock the PSP because your tastes are different.

      The homebrew scene for PSP is doing quite well if you ask me. Its evolving, and will still take a bit longer before I think its as easy as it needs to be for the masses to come to it, but I think it will.

      *I* am waiting for them to find some adapter that isn't clunky and awkward as hell that will let me use other FLASH media, instead of having to pay Sony's insane prices for their's.

    3. Re:Hm.... by Koil · · Score: 1

      I also forgot to mention that you can surf the web, play interactively with other PS owners and use it as a handy dandy remote control!

    4. Re:Hm.... by TrancePhreak · · Score: 1

      With only 4 buttons total, I'm sure looking forward to playing 8 button SNES games on a GP32! And with its incredible 8MB RAM, I'm sure those 16MB GBA games will play quite well. /sarcasm

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    5. Re:Hm.... by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 1

      No kidding - right now, the best portable games being released are on the DS, but I love my PSP in spite of Sony it seems.

      A friend of mine got a 1 GB stick for $80 bucks online - I'll have to see where he found his at. There are some third party folks doing it, through - just have to look.

    6. Re:Hm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could also buy another PSP for the same price, update it to 2.5, get a 1 gig stick for $100, and use it to store AVC encoded movies and it would also support the sony location free tv over the web, which would make it a much more competent portable video device. Sony may limit it to 368x208, but still higher res then the apple, and widescreen.

      Or you could look cool with your iPod headphones watching tv on a 1" screen

      your choice really.

  26. wow that's almost as big as by real_smiff · · Score: 1

    an Atari Lynx? ;) (model 2)
    man, i loved that console. res looks really bad though when you try it now.
    but neither go in your pocket without you looking like you're *very* pleased to see *everyone* 'nuff said.

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  27. Why complain about the size? by stastuffis · · Score: 1

    Has anyone ever thought that we may have just got the pocket wrong?

    1. Re:Why complain about the size? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, just carry eveything in your manbag. (A small purse-sized bag that is definitely not a handbag.)

  28. psp is too sexy for this.. by romerom · · Score: 1

    this thing makes the psp look like crap.. on top of that, it makes it heavier. psp is way too sexy for this bulky addition.. especially at $199.. no thanks!

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  29. Thats a hella ugly PSP by boosted · · Score: 1

    oh great, i want to big ugly things sticking out of a PSP

  30. Serious Storage by MrSteveSD · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you want some serious storage and it's really video you're interested in, the Archos Av500 is a much better idea. The Archos Screen is only a little bit smaller (4 vs 4.2 inches) but the 30GB storage makes up for it. It can also record TV directly and supports more video formats than the PSP.

    1. Re:Serious Storage by glitch0 · · Score: 1

      But does it play Ridge Racer or Lumines?

      Some people buy PSP for a gaming system AND a media center thingy.

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  31. Ok. by hummassa · · Score: 1

    Do you use linux?
    What do you use to recode a DVD to the PSP?
    What settings did you use (fps, bandwidth, others) (for Office Space)?
    What's the size of the movie?

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    1. Re:Ok. by martin_b1sh0p · · Score: 1

      I do use Linux at home, but the wifey uses XP at home and I found it easier to use PSP Video 9 then to use the CVS version of ffmpeg.

      I can't remember the specific settings I used for Office Space (and I'm at work right now) but it takes up about 450mb out of the 1GB and it looks great.

  32. No Thank You by Imp00 · · Score: 1

    I'd rather own four 1 GB memory sticks that I can easily store in a tiny pouch than that hard drive contraption that straps onto the PSP making it slightly bulky, clunky and ugly. Though the sum of the memory sticks would cost more, they should be faster in read/write times anyhow which is a big plus for some.

  33. Case? by Kris_J · · Score: 0

    The PSP needs a case and this product means it doesn't fit in any of the standard ones. Has Datel released a case to suit?

  34. hm by OneIsNotPrime · · Score: 1

    A completely reasonable, utterly sensible $799.99 instead of the unbelievable, irrationably overpriced $800.00.

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  35. is it just me... by Mika24 · · Score: 0

    or does anyone else think its a rip off paying $250 for the 4 gn ipod nano,$100 for the xbox hdd, and now $199 for this when you can get an external 140+ GB drive for the same price. these aren;t even flash memory drives or some new technology that deserves a high price

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  36. Rare Air for the PSP by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    Ok, I love the PSP and all... But we're getting into some pretty rare pricing air here. You just paid $250 for a PSP. another $50 for a game. Maybe $50 to $100 on a decent memory stick. I know! Lets crop another duce and spend $200 for a micro HDD. That's a minimum of nearly $600 we're now investing on a handheld gaming system, assuming you don't buy any other games.

    Now I have to point out that the incremental approach that Sony seems to be engaging in is not a bad strategy-- Buy only what you want or can afford, thereby trying to appeal to everybody, and a 4gb micro drive + battery ain't exactly cheap, but we're approaching some rare finacial air here and I wonder if they couldn't have gone about this a better way because I can all but gaurantee that adding one of those on to a handheld is going to be the niche of a niche market, especially when it's iPod competition kicks into gear for price comparison sake. i get the feeling that they're splitting apart their own market doing this...

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  37. If i had by loki1978 · · Score: 0

    money and not debts (and a job to start with) and i could buy a psp, the harddrive and the battery, i would buy it

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  38. Wonderful ... by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

    How about some games that are worth playing, instead of all of these accessories...

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  39. Re:Whats the point (of posting w/o RTFA)? by aichpvee · · Score: 1

    Playing movie with Standard Battery and SanDisk 1G Memory Stick: 4.45 Hours.
      Playing movie with Datel X2 Battery and Datel 4GB Hard Drive: 5.45 Hours.

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  40. FileSystem limitation NOT PSP limitation by Bri3D · · Score: 1

    Sorry that I wasn't clear on this before; the 4GB is a FAT16 limitation not a PSP limitation; if the stick is formatted differently the data is readable from the PC(and yes USB data reading does go through the firmware; some USB bus drivers are loaded). So the problem is NOT the PSP's firmware as in block count/blocksize but rather the filesystem supported.