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Oracle CFO Leaves after Four Months of Service

An anonymous reader writes "Oracle's CFO and Co-President Greg Maffei has quit. He will be succeeded by Safra Catz, who has been with Oracle for a while, and it will be interesting to see how long she lasts. Before Maffei, Harry You was CFO for 9 months, and before him was Jeff Henley. What's with the CFO shuffle at Oracle?"

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  1. Money by msbsod · · Score: 5, Funny

    CFO's earn so much that 9 months are enough for the rest of their life.

    1. Re:Money by DurendalMac · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or maybe it's because Larry Ellison is an even bigger asshole than Steve Jobs...

    2. Re:Money by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      Not sure how this is troll. His reputation is well known. That and his infamous licensing schemes (our bill will be based upon the number of times we suspect you even THOUGHT about Oracle). Larry is not someone I'd want as my supervisor.

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  2. CFO Leaving is bad news. by catwh0re · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When the CFO leaves, it's usually because they think they're in a sinking ship.

    1. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or they want to leave before they get indicted. If a CFO leaves just before a quarterly report, it generally means he is resigning to avoid committing perjury by signing a report he knows to be false. I beleive this report was intentionally delayed also, which is further evidence that there might be statements in the report that nobody wants to sign their name to.

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    2. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 4, Funny

      "When the CFO leaves, it's usually because they think they're in a sinking ship."

      Yeah, Oracles obviously in the direst of direly dire straights....
      I mean really rough times...
      Yes, the shio is sinking!

      I suspect Netcraft will confirm Oracles death any moment now.

    3. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by kkek · · Score: 1

      When the CFO leaves, it's usually because they think they're in a sinking ship.

      I have to agree with you here. It does seem odd that one quits after 9 months, and then the next one lasts an even shorter amount of time... Doesnt look for Oricle.

    4. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Well Oracle rightly or wrongly is a sinking ship. With MySQL 5, PostGreSQL, and MS SQL. we have a slue of Good enough for most uses Database systems. They may not be as feature rich but they get the job done and they are much more affordable, even the Microsoft option. Most places I have been to are moving off Oracle, or planning on it. Or have been off for a while. The problem when companies got use to charging a lot of a license when cheaper people come in the company just doesn't know how to lower prices, to stay competitive.

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    5. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by dekemoose · · Score: 2, Funny

      Isn't it a realtively well known fact that Ellison is a bastard to work for?

    6. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      well, if they are trying to create deceptive profit reports, that would be a good reason a CFO would leave. It would also indicate a problem with the company.

      Not saying they are sinking, but don't just assume there not having issues. Everyone thought Enron was in good shape, until the very last minute.

      Now we have Sarbanes Oxley, a good reason for CFO to not look the other way.

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    7. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by canuck57 · · Score: 2, Informative

      When the CFO leaves, it's usually because they think they're in a sinking ship.

      No fooling, it is not a good sign. See NorTel .... when CFOs leave early it is not good. When they have been there awhile and get a better offier this is good.

      So the question is how far will the stock drop... -0.28 (2.24%) for the day... bet more is to follow.

    8. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by PopCulture · · Score: 1
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    9. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by Slashdiddly · · Score: 1

      Before Greg Maffei left Oracle, he left MSFT. Were they a sinking ship then?

    10. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by EraserMouseMan · · Score: 1

      Sometimes a CFO is brought in to address a specific area of need. 4 months isn't really enough time to change much in a company the size of Oracle though. Larry's a tyrant. That'd be my guess.

    11. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by queenb**ch · · Score: 4, Interesting

      High turn over in upper management means:

      1) Legal fears - criminal or civil

      2) Another C-level guy that no one can stand

      3) Company is tanking

      My personal vote is for #2 and I suspect his initials are L.E.

      2 cents,

      Queen B

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    12. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by Dwonis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      MSFT is a sinking ship, but it's a vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big ship that will take an equally long time to sink -- long enough that it might end up being repaired before it's too late. :P

    13. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by Slashdiddly · · Score: 1

      The grandparent is right that *usually* when CFO leaves, the company is a sinking ship - financially. In other words, expect discovery of cooked books followed by SEC investigation and indictments of top management. MSFT was/is anything but that. It's only a sinking ship in terms of browser dipping all the way down to 90% market share.

    14. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      Ellison has been throwing money at Pillar Data Systems. I think even he realized that Oracle has maxed out long time ago.

    15. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by marktoml · · Score: 3, Insightful

      More to the point he is not one to turn over control or let go of the rudder--even slightly. I rather doubt the CFO was allowed to do much and thus felt they couldn't be fully effective. Until he finds one that suits him the way Henley did (i.e. one he will let do the job) the shuffle will undoutedly continue.

    16. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by khallow · · Score: 4, Informative

      He spent 7 years at MS and 5 years as CEO of 360networks which tanked (he took it through bankrupcy court. So he doesn't have a flighty record or a record of bailing out when the going gets rough. If I were an Oracle shareholder, I'd want to know why Oracle can't keep CFO talent.

    17. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by Nutria · · Score: 3, Informative

      MSFT is a sinking ship, but it's a vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big ship that will take an equally long time to sink -- long enough that it might end up being repaired before it's too late. :P

      I love Linux just as much as the next guy (and has been my only home desktop for 5 years), but unlike DEC & Sun, MSFT's revenue keeps on increasing at an incredible pace.

      When they have flat (not declining, but flat) revenues for 3 straight years, then I'll believe that it's sinking.

      http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=MSFT&annual
      http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=MSFT&annual
      http://finance.yahoo.com/q/cf?s=MSFT&annual

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    18. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by OSS_ilation · · Score: 1

      Hmm, or he was offered a CEO position elsewhere maybe? But hey, it's /., so cynicism/negativity rules, right?

    19. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or 4) they are in legal trouble. Like just happened in my company. Sigh. Enrons will always be around.

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    20. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by einhverfr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      well, if they are trying to create deceptive profit reports, that would be a good reason a CFO would leave. It would also indicate a problem with the company.

      Yeah, I my first thought was "Securities Fraud" but I don't know what is going on there well enough to know.

      Now, it doesn't mean that the company is sinking, but I have absolutely no intention of purchasing any Oracle stock in the reasonable future.

      Regarding Enron, a good part of the issue was Fastow, who was siphoning off all of Enron's solid investments, leaving them with the crap, and cooking the books to cover his trail. The more I have looked into Enron, the more I have become convinced that embezzlement was one of two root cause of the collapse (the other was energy market manipulation which would have likely brought them down as well). In Enron's case, the books were not cooked to keep the stock price up. They were cooked to cover other illegal activity.

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    21. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by AoT · · Score: 1

      Do you know the dirty little secret of MSFT?

      I think you do not.

      If they fail to *grow* their stock will drop.

      Under which standard a drop in market share equals death.

      The most important theng to remember is that when their OS market share starts to drop they are in real trouble.

      So it begins.

    22. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 1

      Anyone who says this has NO idea what they are saying. MySQL may be enough for some companies, but not for us. If you discount that our application requires is due to support from the application vendor, we depend on Oracle. Oracle is better in every respect then MySQL. We have point in time recovery on our Oracle DB plus Oracle never breaks a sweat. 10g (the g stands for Grid) sets up alot of grid style processing. I hope some day that we can eventualy take over all of our computers at night to increase the processing power available to oracle so we can run those reports fast at night.

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    23. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by ahmusch · · Score: 1

      ... oh, heavens.

      You're serious, aren't you?

      That's just way too cute.

    24. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      My assumption is that the CFO would report directly to Larry Ellison.

      If you've ever met Larry, and if you've ever met a typical CPA/Accountant/CFO,
      you'll know why there's a CFO shuffle at Oracle. Larry's an impractical, ego-centric, implusive maniac. CFO types are usually humble and methodical.

    25. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I wasn't saying that Oracle isn't better or even on-par with the other. But for Most companies the cheaper alternatives are good enough for their use. Most companies don't deal with so much data that they can justify the cost of Oracle, most of them are happy that they were able to get some of the employees off Excel, Access and FoxPro. Most companies don't have millions of transactions a second, some are lucky when they have a 10 transactions a second. If you are a like an Experion then yea you going to need Oracle. But most companies don't deal with that much data. And the money they can save on a lesser Database Server they could put it to faster servers or faster networks.

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    26. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by Taladar · · Score: 1

      If nothing has changed in the last two years that profit still relies on exactly two sources: Windows and Office. All other markets MSFT tried to enter don't make money for them. And as if that wasn't bad enough for a company the successes of those two cash cows are tightly entangled with each other. I wouldn't talk about a healthy company in that context.

    27. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      Bad comparison, DEC has been gone from the business for quite a while. DEC went under and Compaq bought the leftovers. SUN is holding on pretty good, they lost a penny a share but are growing slightly. If you used HP instead of DEC you would have a better illustration.

    28. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      Everyone knows LE is an assh()le, but CFOs leaving right and left probably indicates a deeper issue. My bet is some funny accounting on all these mergers/buyouts Oracle has been doing. I wonder if they are trying to pull some fast moves with how they handle the acquisition expenses. As I recall from my MBA the excess of cost over book value has to be handled as Goodwill and amortized over 10? yrs. Oracle may be trying to avoid that, because it will show they paid WAY too much for Peoplesoft.

      P.S. Enjoyed your blog. Tried to post a comment but I have to login it seems. I'm also a DFW techno person. The Halloween post was funny but the poor kids!!

    29. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by macpulse · · Score: 1
      Yes, the shio is sinking!

      This statement begs the question: "What is a shio and why is it sinking?"

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    30. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by bobcat7677 · · Score: 1

      The free ORacle "lite" is meant only as a demo. It has very severe limitations on database size and what kind of hardware it can utilize. They did a very good job of making sure it would only be used as a demo or by people who would be better off with Access anyway. Once you get beyond the free version, prepare to turn over your right arm AND firstborn for licence fees and support contracts. And don't be decieved into thinking you can get away with not having a support contract; Oracle is a complicated system that mere mortals were not meant to maintain. (yes, I just implied you Oracle DBAs are god-like...try not to get too big a head over it)

      Oh, and while we are speaking of market pressure on Oracle, lets not forget about IBM's DB2 database. Recent versions (while still annoying in their syntax) have become quite robust in their feature sets and able to handle most anything you would throw at Oracle. The advantage that companies see with DB2 is that you can get it in a package with matching IBM hardware. Simplifies purchasing and in theory should be ultra-stable. Don't get me wrong, a company I work with uses DB2 and not only do I dislike working with it but it just generally sucks for them to maintain. So I would probably never recommend it to anyone. Just saying that it's another competitor taking business away from Oracle.

    31. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by palion · · Score: 1

      Who told you that? Did you ask... the oracle?

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    32. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Bad comparison, DEC has been gone from the business for quite a while. DEC went under

      No, that's the point. Unlike MSFT, DEC actually was a sinking ship that, unlike IBM, was unable to adjust to the New World Order.

      OP thinks that is sinking just like DEC was.

      HP is probably sinking too, FWIW.

      Thanks, Bob & Carly, for killing 2 great companies!!!

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    33. Re:CFO Leaving is bad news. by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 1

      Leave him alone. Are you you so perfect your shio doesn't stink?

  3. One Word: by Doktor+Memory · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Larry"

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    1. Re:One Word: by kawabago · · Score: 2, Funny

      prefixed with Leisuresuit please!

    2. Re:One Word: by Scaba · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, no - they keep getting hired away by Hank Scorpio of Globex Corporation.

    3. Re:One Word: by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I wish I could mod you up. That was damn funny.


      Scorpio!
      He'll sting you with his dreams of power and wealth.
      Beware of Scorpio!
      His twisted twin obsessions are his plot to rule the world and his employees' health.

      He'll welcome you into his lair like the nobleman welcomes his guest,
      with free dental care and a stock plan that helps you invest!

      So beware of his generous pensions plus three weeks paid vacation each year.
      And on Fridays, in the lunch rooms, theres hot dogs and burgers and beer!
      Yes, German beer!


      In fact, I din't even give you my coat!

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    4. Re:One Word: by Scaba · · Score: 2, Interesting

      By strange coincidence, that episode aired exactly nine years ago today.

  4. Famous Last Words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    To quote that annoying Sit-and-sleep commercial finance guy:

    You're killing me, Larry!!!!!!!!!!

  5. CFO shuffle? by ral315 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "What's with the CFO shuffle at Oracle?" We didn't mean to cause any trouble; We're just doin' the CFO Shuffle.

    1. Re:CFO shuffle? by rob_squared · · Score: 4, Funny

      Please do not eat CFO Shuffle.

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    2. Re:CFO shuffle? by sharkey · · Score: 1
      When asked for comment, Maffei responded with a simple statement:

      "They call me 'Sweetness', 'cuz I like to prance. Countin' the beans is like makin' romance!"

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  6. Not a good sign... by csmacd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    CFOs depart quickly because they see tyranical leadership, bad financial situation, or both. Sounds like there are some serious problems in Oracle's financial sector.

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  7. Dirty Kitchen by Deathbane27 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I imagine Oracle's financials are like a messy kitchen. Cleaning it doesn't sound like too bad of a job until you actually walk in and see it... Yes, I live in a bachelor pad.

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  8. Up close and personal with Biker Spike by wintermute42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's with the CFO shuffle at Oracle?

    Oh, nothing more than fear of doing jail time.

    Seriously, after Tyco, WorldCom and Enron, a CFO that is asked to support accounting that might be considered questionable bears some serious risks (as they should). The compensation just does not justify the risk of jail time. At least not for your typical CFO.

  9. Life at Oracle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Posting anonymously 'cause I still want a job...
    I've been consulting for Oracle for a couple years now and I'm not surprised by this. I get reorg'ed every three months at the minimum, I can't count the number of managers I've had since I've been working here - most know my name only by my expense reports. Every so often my cell phone rings and the voice on the other end says "Hi, I'm ****, your new manager." Why would it be any different in the adminisphere?
    I've worked for companies big and small over the years and while the job has its good points, the constant turnover isn't one of them

    1. Re:Life at Oracle by gentlemoose · · Score: 5, Informative

      I was with Oracle for 5 years. As I'm no longer with them, I don't fear for my job. AC up there, however, as an Oracle consultant, good call.

      Oracle reorgs its stovepipes annually, and there are divisional and departmental reorgs that shake out for months at a time in the aftermath of the larger reorgs. It happens. No big deal.

      Safra, I encountered once. Not.the.most.pleasant.experience.of.my.life.

    2. Re:Life at Oracle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I left Oracle as a sysadmin after only 2 months on the job in their flagship datacenter. The entire organization from the top down is ruled by fear. Fear of the guy above you. I was in constant concern for my job the entire time, not because I couldn't perform, but afraid that I would do something politically wrong. And I was just a sysadmin!

      It sucked, bigtime. Though they did have a crazy amount of servers and a whole buttload of technology.

      Everything was to be feared, however.

    3. Re:Life at Oracle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      After having worked at least 60 hours so far this week, I read your first line -- no joke -- as:

      "I left Oracle as a sysadmin after only 2 months on the job as a pole dancer."

      I thought, "Woohoo ... great, a troll that might actually be an amusing joke. I could use a joke right about now."

      Then I realized I really have to ditch this job that I'm working so much at every week to the point that I'm starting to see things that just aren't there. Hafta wonder though ... pole dancer?! Where the hell is my mind right now???

      But yah, that would've made for a heck of a funny story...

    4. Re:Life at Oracle by patricksevenlee · · Score: 2, Funny
      Safra, I encountered once. Not.the.most.pleasant.experience.of.my.life.

      So give us the dirt on Safra, why wasn't it pleasant? I Googled for her picture. She looks cute.

    5. Re:Life at Oracle by dpetzold · · Score: 1

      I don't understand hows that's not a big deal. In my world you will not get promoted until your manager has personal confidence in you and that can't happen if your management changes often. I guess its different there?

    6. Re:Life at Oracle by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      This is speculation, but Safra has been at Larry's side longer than several wives. She and Henley are probably the only two people who can stand him, my guess would be that she is probably equally ruthless and that they enjoy working together (she is rich enough to not need to be there any longer and was not anything close to a day 1 employee).

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    7. Re:Life at Oracle by Stone316 · · Score: 1

      I worked there for a couple of years as well.. and while I did change managers a couple of times, I was never 'afraid' for my job. I enjoyed my time there and compared to other companies I worked for I was treated just as well or better.

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  10. Missed opportunities. by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    I'm just wondering why there wasn't someone in the CFO's department that could have stood in so the analyst's day and Oracle's presence at the Goldman's investment conference could have gone off without a hitch.

  11. Old Microsoft Money Wizard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Hey, Maffei - that's Microsoft's old money wizard... if he's jumping ship that's not a good sign.

    1. Re:Old Microsoft Money Wizard by toddbu · · Score: 3, Interesting

      He was also the last well-respected Microsoft CFO. While Maffei was in charge, Microsoft could literally do nothing wrong financially. When the earnings were announced, he'd say something like "don't expect good results next quarter" and the stock would skyrocket. When Connors replaced him, it was almost the exact opposite. Connors would say virtually the same thing, and the stock would tank. Microsoft has definitely suffered from the leadership vacuum that Maffei's departure left.

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  12. Re:Chief of Fucking Off by MNCaudill · · Score: 1

    That doesn't make any sense.

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    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  14. Whoa, that's two in a row! by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1, Informative
    1. Re:Whoa, that's two in a row! by cmholm · · Score: 1
      Case exited because Carl Icahn wanted his ass out. Case and the other execs that pushed the TW/AOL merger were responsible for destroying investor wealth on a vast scale. Case was the last of these empire-killers to go.

      Even if Case was merely mediocre, Icahn would still want him out, since clearing out company founders with emotional ties to the company is a big investor's first step towards jerking it any which way he can to shake some more coin out of it.

      Since Icahn's actions will probably increase the value of Case's portfolio, Steve might feel less inclined to screw around with his land holdings out here in Hawaii, which can only be a good thing.

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    2. Re:Whoa, that's two in a row! by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      They transfered wealth from Time Warner shareholders to AOL shareholders. The fact that there appeard to be great value in the AOL company was mostly illusion. That it cost Time Warner about half the company to find that out ranks up there with not getting an exclusive license for MS/DOS and booting Woz from HP. I'm surprised that Case lasted as long as he did, considering he was a constant reminder to everyone at Time Warner that you over paid. I'm not sure if Case figured this out beforehand. I concur with both your second and third statements.

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  15. Guilt by lucm · · Score: 5, Interesting
    One just can't buy an Oracle database license. Accountants, lawyers and engineers must be involved to find out what insane amounts you will have to feed the monster every year. Basically, it's cheaper to have a SQL Server 4-processor license than hiring the experts required to calculate your Oracle yearly premium for the same hardware.

    So my guess is that either the CFOs feel bad about selling incredibly overpriced products, or they just plain don't understand how the hell they can manage all these crazy contracts.

    When Microsoft licensing is the low-cost alternative to your product, there is something terribly wrong.

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    1. Re:Guilt by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      except MSs product is not in the same league as Oracle.

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    2. Re:Guilt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Actually you can only hold out so long with that argument. M$ will hit that ball many times and at some point take it out of the park. Yeah Yeah I'm a big Fitzmas fan

    3. Re:Guilt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Comparing Oracle and SQL Server is like comparing a Lambhorghini to a Bicycle. Or a Miss Universe to a bag lady. Its just not done by people in the know. That said the only thing that comes close nowadays is Postgres.

    4. Re:Guilt by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      that would be the league of bloated, overpriced cruftware with obsolete 1980's indexing technology requiring an inordinate amount of manual tuning and configuring? oh yeah, I do Oracle "grid" and RAC clusters for a living. keep buying it, suckers

    5. Re:Guilt by duffbeer703 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Have you ever used Oracle? Its a bigger steaming pile of shit than Lotus Notes, and that says alot.

      Oracle can do amazing things. But with the money you need to spend on Oracle consultants, you could custom-write whatever you are buying from Oracle.

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    6. Re:Guilt by Electrum · · Score: 1

      what do you prefer for performance on large data warehousing projects?

      Netezza. From my brief experience with the product, I can say that it really does live up to their claim of 10-50 times the performance at half the cost. It is absolutely unsuitable for OLTP, but that's no surprise as it is designed for data warehousing with adhoc queries. Nothing else on the market comes close for the price or ease of use.

      Bizgres looks like a clone of their architecture and it might be a competitor at some point. Though, it won't be nearly as easy to use. Having a single machine delivered ready to go is a lot easier than setting up a cluster yourself.

    7. Re:Guilt by NineNine · · Score: 1

      Have you ever used Oracle? Its a bigger steaming pile of shit than Lotus Notes, and that says alot.

      And of course, that would explain how Oracle became the #2 software company on the planet, and how their products are used in the most mission-critical applications all over the world. But hey, maybe the rest of the world is wrong, and you're right! It's possible.

    8. Re:Guilt by tigersha · · Score: 1

      Comparing Oracle to Lotus Notes is really a bit insulting.

      God, building a bigger pile of shit than Lotus Notes will get you an automatic Nobel Prize in Biology. If you burn the stuff you could solve the world's energy problem which will also net you the Peace prize.

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    9. Re:Guilt by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      But IBM's are, and yet I don't hear the constant complaints about them that I do about Oracle.

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    10. Re:Guilt by duffbeer703 · · Score: 1

      Sales in the Fortune 1000 are all about who you know, not what you are selling.

      Look at an Oracle or IBM shop. There's a salesman who calls on the executive management every quarter (at least) and usually at least a few vendor consultants or business partners on-site at the client. So when Joe IGS/Oracle Consultant hears about the new Foobar 3.0 project, he mentions it to his boss. Then, somehow, magically, the sales rep appears before the execs and knows exactly what they are going to want.

      Not all mission critical apps run on Oracle or DB2. Things like aircraft control, reservation systems like SABRE, hospital systems, etc are usually based on heavily customized solutions.

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    11. Re:Guilt by kpharmer · · Score: 1

      > Netezza. From my brief experience with the product, I can say that it really does live up to their claim
      > of 10-50 times the performance at half the cost. It is absolutely unsuitable for OLTP, but that's no
      > surprise as it is designed for data warehousing with adhoc queries. Nothing else on the market comes
      > close for the price or ease of use.

      > Bizgres looks like a clone of their architecture and it might be a competitor at some point. Though, it
      > won't be nearly as easy to use. Having a single machine delivered ready to go is a lot easier than
      > setting up a cluster yourself.

      the benefits of getting a warehouse appliance are that it's already tuned & sized. The drawbacks include:

      - inability to repurpose existing hardware for the data warehouse. This is a serious drawback, since some of the best projects start out very iteratively on borrowed hardware, colocated on existing servers, etc until they prove themselves. Once they've proved the design, then it's much easier to get funding to buy a larger server. If you have to get the funding before the pilot is in production you can spend 6-12 months wasting your time (depending on the organization) documenting, meeting, etc.

      - it doesn't sound like netezza or bizgres have all memory management, storage management, or parallel capabilities of db2, oracle, informix, or teradata. From just an MPP perspective I haven't seen anything offered in these products that looks beyond where db2/informix were in 1995.

      - it's sometimes very useful to have a more general-purpose solution. you can save quite a bit of money sometimes. This month I'm rolling out a warehouse and two marts on a P570 with separate lpars - in which the marts can fail over to one another. This allows me to reboot a mart without a loss in availability - and since they share computing resources - without having to buy double the machine.

      - another set of technology to master - it's generally easier to be an expert at one database manager than two or three.

      Maybe these are best positioned for shops that lack the skills to handle oracle or db2, and don't yet have those products in-house?

    12. Re:Guilt by Electrum · · Score: 1

      it doesn't sound like netezza or bizgres have all memory management, storage management, or parallel capabilities of db2, oracle, informix, or teradata

      Netezza is a completely parallel architecture. The appliance is essentially a PC (the host) connected to a large number of disk drives that each have their own FPGA computer attached. The host runs a heavily modified version of PostgreSQL. Data is partitioned (hashed) across all disk drives (with mirroring for redundancy). There are essentially no indexes, at least how they work with traditional databases, though they do have some automatic indexing built into the hashing scheme. Queries are executed by programming each disk drive to only return the data that the host needs. This saves a tremendous amount of bandwidth and processing time. They take the approach since many / most queries require a full table scan, make full table scans as cheap as possible.

      I don't know what you mean by memory management or storage management. There is essentially zero administration with the Netezza appliance. You buy an appliance of a certain size. There are no tuning parameters (as far as I know). The only tuning is that you decide how to partition the data (you can optionally hash on a specific column).

      I know that Teradata currently has larger installs (such as Walmart, the biggest commercial data warehouse customer), but they cost a LOT more. Netezza says they are working on larger database capacity.

      - another set of technology to master - it's generally easier to be an expert at one database manager than two or three.

      Very true, though I haven't seen a database as easy as Netezza. It's standard SQL (based on PostgreSQL), so there isn't much to learn. The tools are based on the PostgreSQL tools, so those are easy, especially if you've used PostgreSQL.

      Maybe these are best positioned for shops that lack the skills to handle oracle or db2, and don't yet have those products in-house?

      I have zero experience with DB2, so I can't comment. My previous employer went with Netezza on my initial recommendation after being fed up with Oracle. They are a small company with a large amount of data (though small as large data warehouses go). We simply could not make Oracle perform, even after throwing hardware at it (EMC disk array, 8-way Opteron with 128GB RAM). Combine the cost of hardware, Oracle and a good DBA (expensive and hard to find, especially for a small company), and Netezza is a lot cheaper in the long run.

      Your IBM solution sounds very interesting and I wish I had the chance to learn about such things. I'd love to hear more. I'm not saying that Netezza is the best solution out there. Coming from experience with open source databases and Oracle at a small company on PC hardware, Netezza was very impressive.

    13. Re:Guilt by kpharmer · · Score: 1

      > Netezza is a completely parallel architecture. The appliance is essentially a PC (the host) connected to a large number of disk drives that each have
      > their own FPGA computer attached. The host runs a heavily modified version of PostgreSQL. Data is partitioned (hashed) across all disk drives
      > (with mirroring for redundancy). There are essentially no indexes, at least how they work with traditional databases, though they do have
      > some automatic indexing built into the hashing scheme. Queries are executed by programming each disk drive to only return the data that the
      > host needs. This saves a tremendous amount of bandwidth and processing time. They take the approach since many / most queries require a full
      > table scan, make full table scans as cheap as possible.

      yep, that's an approach commonly used on db2 & oracle: i normally rely on partitioning for most index-like functionality. And spreading the data across multiple share-nothing nodes has been standard for informix and db2 since around 1995. I haven't used that architecture for a while though - it's something I head towards when a single node isn't sufficient: since it takes more labor to administer (when changes to data distribution or nodes occur).

      > I don't know what you mean by memory management or storage management. There is essentially zero administration with the Netezza appliance.
      > You buy an appliance of a certain size. There are no tuning parameters (as far as I know). The only tuning is that you decide how to partition
      > the data (you can optionally hash on a specific column).

      Hmmm, that's cool in a way - if you don't have labor on staff to help with tuning. I've found that manual tuning is always far more effective than automated tuning - it can save you a bundle. On the other hand, you've got to get a good dba.

      > Very true, though I haven't seen a database as easy as Netezza. It's standard SQL (based on PostgreSQL), so there isn't much to learn.
      > The tools are based on the PostgreSQL tools, so those are easy, especially if you've used PostgreSQL.

      Yep, very nice little database. But doesn't support query parallelism, and some of the memory management discussed. This means that you'd generally want to parallelize with 1-cpu boxes. Which is ok...except managing a few four-ways is much cheaper than managing 16 1-way cpus. Tuning is easier, patching the boxes is far easier, etc.

      > Your IBM solution sounds very interesting and I wish I had the chance to learn about such things. I'd love to hear more. I'm not saying that Netezza
      > is the best solution out there. Coming from experience with open source databases and Oracle at a small company on PC hardware, Netezza was very
      > impressive.

      ya, sounds like a cool solution. I'm fond of postgresql, so maybe I'll check out one of those web marketing sessions they invite everyone to.

      Thanks for the info - it's always better to hear from a user than just another marketing person! :-)

  16. Re:Chief of Fucking Off by TrappedByMyself · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's very simple. CFO stands for "Chief of Fucking Off." Their job is to get hired, sit around for a few days, and then fuck off and look somewhere else for a job.

    Sounds like most of the programmers I've worked with over the years. Similar to the sysadmins too, however they download porn instead of looking for jobs.

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  17. Furry Me by Swamii · · Score: 3, Funny

    Harry You

    There's gotta be a joke in there somewhere.

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  18. Error in article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    > You was CFO for 9 months

    What? No I wasn't.

  19. Larry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    For some reason the CFOs have found it disturbing that Larry expects them to cut off their pinky if there are profit warnings :)

  20. What else can you expect from Oracle? by dumbskull · · Score: 1, Redundant

    One Raging Asshole Called Larry Ellison.

    1. Re:What else can you expect from Oracle? by captfi · · Score: 1

      Raging alright!
      The fucker even rages when he eats (the CFO's) lunch:
      http://www.zpub.com/un/larryhotdog.jpg

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  21. Because Larry Ellison is God. by gelfling · · Score: 2, Funny

    First rule of Oracle: Larry Ellison is God. You are not God. Disagreements with God will be answered by plagues.

  22. Oracles CFO by pookemon · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe they couldn't stand the financial package... ;)

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  23. Oracle CFO Leaves after Four Months of Service. by cgenman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oracle CFO Leaves after Four Months of Service.

    He must have finally gotten a database up and running.

  24. As an Oracle employee, by Andrew+Tanenbaum · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am wondering if anyone has information on how compensation, particularily any exit bonuses he received. There have been rumors about layoffs lately, so I would be apalled if the money he took would be enough to fund those employees.

    1. Re:As an Oracle employee, by agentkhaki · · Score: 1

      Sadly, parent was modded as Troll, but this is actually one of the first things that came to my mind -- how much his contract-mandated golden parachute was/is... Perhaps that's a commentary on American business culture -- perhaps it's just reflective of the news we've seen so much of of late, what with so many CEO's and other C-ilk walking away with wads of cash after short, ineffective stints, whilst lower-rung employees get the inevitable pink slip.

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    2. Re:As an Oracle employee, by fontkick · · Score: 1

      It's fun to guess how much the executive resignation after only x months will cost the company. Place your bets - was it a million, two million, ten million? Or did he hit the superball and pull in 100 million?

      In this case (from the AP):

      "...If it's determined that Maffei resigned for "good cause," he will be entitled to a $3.2 million severance payment, according to filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission."

  25. No. by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    Considering that PostGres and SQL Server have the same Berkeley roots, I'm going to have to disagree there.

    SQL Server and PostGres are at about the same level as far as sophistication goes. SQL Server wins in the ease of administration department, but lags flexibility and openness.

    As far as "just being an SQL 92 RDBMS" running on a SMP (but single image system), all three systems are at the same level. (That means any ignoring any specific clustering/dev frameworks/warehousing stuff)

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    1. Re:No. by Usquebaugh · · Score: 1

      So where are Oracles roots?

      My understanding was they came out of the same Berkeley roots?

  26. It's Larry Ellison by cornice · · Score: 3, Funny

    Q - What's the difference between God and Larry Ellison?

    A - God doesn't think he's Larry Ellison.

  27. What's up by danteecoli · · Score: 1

    The big change here is Sarbanes Oxley. Post SOX, keeping CFOs at any company is tougher, and I think more so for tech companies whose accounting by nature is less concrete. This has a huge impact for geeks because it also puts a relatively larger burden on small companies (there's about two mil. a year to be paid regardless of how big you are). So more of us will end up working at supermegasoft and less at smaller, friendlier companies than would have sans SOX.

  28. Re:An inside perspective of Oracle by Ikkyu · · Score: 1

    Where is the spam that goes along with this filter beating paragraph?

  29. Measuring The Depth Of The Muck In Months. by Phat_Tony · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Who knows, maybe they've just had an unfortunate series of personal crises or similar unrelated coincidences that don't reflect poorly on the company.

    Or, maybe it takes from four to nine months to shovel to the bottom of the accounting muck at Oracle. At that point, a CFO reaches the inescapable conclusion that they must either:
    1. Issue a radical restatement of earnings for one or more previous quarters in their next financial report.
    2. Commit perjury.
    If the CEO and board disagree with the necessity of revising past financial statements, and the CFO doesn't feel like taking his chances with committing fraud (especially in the current post-scandel atmosphere), then it's time to shop for a new CFO. At the least, it will give the higher-ups a few more months to inconspicuously sell some stock while the next CFO's still busy shoveling.

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  30. Re:ROFL ROFL ROFL LOLLERZ!!!111111ONEONECOS(0)ELEV by Phroggy · · Score: 1

    Oh wait, actually, that made NO sense at all. Would someone please care to explain how this arbitrary string of words got modded +5 Funny? Is there some long-running "do not eat _______" joke on slashdot akin to the "in soviet russia _______" joke?

    iPod shuffle

    Notice the comparison to the packs of gum beside the first paragraph. Unfortunately they've removed it now, but one of the footnotes at the bottom of the page used to say, "Do not eat iPod shuffle."

    Apparently in the UK it said do not chew instead.

    http://www.donoteatipodshuffle.com/

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  31. Re:Chief of Fucking Off by cerebis · · Score: 1
    Similar to the sysadmins too, however they download porn instead of looking for jobs.
    ...and what better company to work for when you need to keep that unwieldy collection in order.
  32. Byzantine licensing by obtuse · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oracle: The company that sold the state of California more licenses than its entire work force. *

    I had fun when I bought an Oracle license for our developers, and got a follow-up call from a sales rep explaining why I hadn't actually bought a valid license. After I explained exactly how we were testing and considering deploying Oracle, he went into hilarious detail about how much the licenses we needed would cost. Actually, at first he just alluded to all the different aspects of licensing we needed to worry about, but I pressed him for a quote, and he got back to me a few days later with a quote that took him a while to explain. All of this for the smallest possible dev environment.

    I began this saying that I had fun. The fun part was saying truthfully, "Obviously then, we won't be developing any product with Oracle. There are other databases that will meet our needs."

    I'll bet their salesmen get a lot of un-sales that way.

    * Turns out that California was not unusual. http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-923127.html

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  33. Liar by AoT · · Score: 1

    were that true you would have included a link.

    you still can.

    1. Re:Liar by Scaba · · Score: 1

      As could have you. You can find that link here. Dick.

  34. What's with the CFO shuffle at Oracle? by Zebra_X · · Score: 1

    Two words: Larry Ellison.

  35. Homogenous shops by Ruzty · · Score: 1

    Where I work it's a mixed environment. We have some applications that require either big iron 12 and 16 way Sun boxes running Oracle 10g. We have other applications that require the high availability and scalability of Oracle RAC distributed across several RHAS nodes. We also have internal applications that actually perform better with SleepyCat (BDB) running locally and replicating to failover nodes. There are also lots of web based applications that hum along just fine with MySQL and PostgreSQL as their data stores. The mainframe has a few DB2 instances and some of the (rare) MS Windows apps tend to use MSSQL servers in failover clusters.

    Point being, use the right DB for the right purpose. Oracle is a niche player on the higher end of the cost, reliability and performance scale and we use it for those needs. Of course, the skillset in the DBA group is varied as well. They usually specialize in one product and back someone (or 2) up on other DBMS.

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  36. Bigger does not mean better by Old+Man+Kensey · · Score: 1
    I'm not an Oracle user or admin, but I know many who are, some of whom have been for a decade or more, and their opinion of Oracle is almost uniformly negative. It's exactly like others have said here: you can get Oracle to do anything... eventually, and after spending multiple megabucks over the life of the project on consultants, Oracle support contracts, and accumulated aggravation as Oracle's legendary salespeople try to high-pressure you into yet another purchase you are pretty sure you don't need. For complexity and cruftiness it apparently evokes sendmail rewritten by a team of monkeys on crack at VT100 terminals with serious serial line noise issues, and you don't even get m4 to make your life that tiny bit easier.

    Oracle was once highly regarded and apparently had a product that justified it, but it seems like they've been coasting on their reputation and CxO MEGO factor ("Oracle costs millions of dollars, surely it can't be bad, no one would buy it... right?") the past several years. (Accenture/Andersen Consulting, who I have worked with on a project at a previous employer, is in the same boat -- they charged us insane amounts of money to help us set up a CRM solution, promised us the moon, and when the rubber hit the road we had to explain to our database "expert" from AC what a relational database was, and what tables, records and files were. That pretty much cured my inferiority complex over AC refusing to even look at me for jobs because I have no college degree.)

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  37. If Oracle's Accounting Is Like Their Documentation by aquatone282 · · Score: 1

    . . . I don't blame him for quitting.

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  38. I'm not here to cause... by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 1

    ...no trouble, I'm just here to do the CFO shuffle.

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  39. Nope. by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    Oracle has always been just Oracle's DB. A bunch of young programmers saw the work being done at IBM (SQL/DS, System R) and decided they wanted to join the party. They created a working implementation of the standard based on the white paper for the VAX. Intent was to get the DB to work on many of the lower-cost minicomputers of the time, IIRC, which was possible once they re-wrote it in C for version 3.

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