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TiVoToGo For iPods and PSPs

BushCheney08 writes "According to an article in the San Francisco Chronicle, TiVo is expanding its TiVoToGo service to allow recordings to be viewed on video iPods and PSPs. Files will be transcoded in real time and will include digital watermarks to try to cut down on piracy. The service begins beta-testing for select subscribers today, with a widespread rollout scheduled for early next year. An AP article is also available at Forbes."

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  1. It's surprising to me too! by garcia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    More than 50 percent of TiVo's 3.6 million subscribers have tried TiVoToGo, and nearly half use it regularly, Denney said. The number of regular users was higher than TiVo expected, and "it was surprising to us, to be honest,'' he said.

    Based on how slow the transfers are for Tivo2Go I too am surprised that Tivo has that many people using it. Granted, I was only using it over wireless but I assume that's what most of the Tivo2Go users are using as well. It was taking *more* than real-time to transmit a show to the computer and then I had to run it through Dr. Divx to bring it down to a resolution that would play well on my mobile device. Will this automated transcoding process increase the time it takes to put it on the handheld even more?

    I have mentioned before that I use the "Record to VCR" option to put shows on my mobile device as I have an Archos that will automatically record it in the best fit option if I so choose... Yeah, it's real time and it's a pain but it was actually faster and easier than using Tivo2Go. Being that I've moved to the DirecTivo I no longer have the Tivo2Go option (with a stock unit) so I am happy to use Record to VCR for now.

    1. Re:It's surprising to me too! by BushCheney08 · · Score: 1

      Will this automated transcoding process increase the time it takes to put it on the handheld even more?

      I don't remember if it was mentioned in one of those articles, or if it was a different one, but somewhere it said that conversion is realtime, with about another 10 mins to transfer to the iPod/PSP. It really does sound like the slowest part of the process is getting the data onto your machine from the TiVo (although, if the transcoding is able to keep up with that, then the point is fairly moot anyways). I'm in your DirecTiVo situation, too, so I can't take advantage of this. And I don't wanna give up my dual-tuner goodness for it either... : /

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    2. Re:It's surprising to me too! by dreamt · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, you can't really blame Tivo if wireless networking is slow. They have slowly been adding G support, but the problem is, all of the wireless G devices that keep on changing chipsets (quielty). Also, remember with wireless, (B for example) which is 11MBps, its a shared 11MBps, so if you are transfering to a machine also on wireless, you are instantly down to 5.5MBps. Using wired ethernet, its better than real-time for medium quality video. Keep in mind, it is already doing some level of transcoding when transfering clips from Tivo computer, so it makes sense that transfers to iPod would not be too much worse.

    3. Re:It's surprising to me too! by garcia · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, I can't blame Tivo for the wireless speeds but it still surprises me that 50% of Tivo users are utilizing this particular transfer method.

      Keep in mind, it is already doing some level of transcoding when transfering clips from Tivo computer, so it makes sense that transfers to iPod would not be too much worse.

      I'm sure that it won't be much worse but with the transfers already being greater than real-time any additional time spent sucks :(

    4. Re:It's surprising to me too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Me personally I just queue up some TiVoToGo recordings before I go to sleep, then in the morning use DirectShow Dump to strip the DRM, then burn DVD's of what I want (or downsample to VCD using TMPEGEnc when quality is less of an issue).

      I think most people that use TiVoToGo probably do this - it's easier than using video capture and for the most part better than BitTorrent (especially when no one BT's particular shows you're interested in).

    5. Re:It's surprising to me too! by jandrese · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I thought the USB ports on TiVos were only USB 1.1? G support is kinda moot (except for keeping your network out of mixed mode) when you're limited to USB speeds.

      Yes, I have used TiVo2Go several times in the past and the transfer times are seriously painful. You basically have to plan a day in advance if you want to load shows on something. Still, it works pretty nicely after that and the quality is pretty good.

      The crux of the matter is that TiVo2Go gave people something they've been wanting for a long time: An easy way to get a particular show they want (and this decision is made AFTER the show has been watched one in many cases) onto their PC where they can burn it to a DVD or send it to a friend. While it's been possible to capture data from the TV for a long time, few people wanted to go to the trouble to get a $50 Tuner card and haul their computer down to the living room just to transfer a single show once every 4 months or so. TiVos solution is close to exactly what people wanted (the extra step of ripping off the DRM is annoying though).

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    6. Re:It's surprising to me too! by Malc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Transfers from Tivos seem to be slow whatever you use. I have a series 1 Tivo with mfs_ftp installed on it. I transfer over 100BaseT. The harddrive is a year old 72000 RPM drive, so it's not slow. Downloading from the Tivo I see about 1 Mbs. Uploading shows back to the Tivo I see 140-150 Kbs. It takes me 5-6 hours to put an hour show back on to the Tivo! So I think the problem lies somewhere within the Tivo, and not with the transfer software (be it mfs_ftp or Tivo2Go).

    7. Re:It's surprising to me too! by madman101 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I use my Tivo through a wired network, and it's painfully slow. It's easier to just do it real time through the record to VCR, and not deal with the Tivo software.

    8. Re:It's surprising to me too! by dreamt · · Score: 3, Informative

      It depends on which series 2 Tivo unit you have. The first gen series 2 boxes (the AT&T branded ones, and the 60GB (TSN beginning with 140) were USB 1.1. The 2nd gen series 2 (40/80/140 hour), "nightlight" Tivos, and everything else are USB 2.0. Tivo has slowly been updating its software to support the USB 2.0 boxes (to support G, I suppose)

    9. Re:It's surprising to me too! by CommanderTaco · · Score: 1

      This experience is not typical... many people see avg download speeds around 2MB/s, and upload speeds around 1MB/s. There are many people whose tivos perform as poorly as yours does, though... not sure what the reason is behind the variance.

    10. Re:It's surprising to me too! by Moofie · · Score: 1

      "72000 RPM drive"

      Wow. Really? You've got a blast shield around that thing, right?

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    11. Re:It's surprising to me too! by slashdotbs · · Score: 1


      Over wireless, my speeds aren't stellar, but they're not too bad. They are large files. I've had slightly better luck not using the Tivo desktop app:
      Link
      This is on a Series 2.

      Transcoding will take time too, but the fact that Tivo is finally opening up to more devices (that is, not just laptops and Portable Windows Media Center toys) is a good thing. Save to VCR sucks - the quality degrades, it's only real time, and, at least on my Tivo, you can't do watch anything else while it records.
      If Tivo doesn't do something they're going to be in trouble. I have a DVR from Time Warner, and while it's not nearly as good as Tivo's, it integrates much better with their service (which makes sense, since it comes from the same place). I like that they are adding content from other sources, like CNET and Yahoo (although they haven't added Yahoo videos yet, it could be interesting if they did, as well as video from other sources).

    12. Re:It's surprising to me too! by Jobe_br · · Score: 1

      Really?!? I've looked all over the TiVo forums and never found a mention of USB2 TiVos being out there. I have a 40hr TiVo (series2) from last year (got it about a year ago, exactly) - any chance I have USB2? Any way to check?!?

    13. Re:It's surprising to me too! by Malc · · Score: 1

      Heh you cheeky bugger! ;) Seriously though, I think the original S1 drives were 54000 RPM. And early 72000 RPM drives have lower performance. So the point I was trying to make was that I'd removed at least one potential bottleneck in a 5 year old Tivo.

    14. Re:It's surprising to me too! by Moofie · · Score: 1

      I think you've slipped a decimal place there, buddy, unless you've hooked your hard drives up to some kind of bad-ass angle grinder.

      And if you did, and it works, I'm seriously impressed.

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    15. Re:It's surprising to me too! by Malc · · Score: 1

      Ahh strewth! What's funnier is that it's a common mistake.

    16. Re:It's surprising to me too! by dreamt · · Score: 1

      I'm not certain, but my guess is, based on Tivo's supported network adaptors list, TSNs 110, 130 and 140 are USB 1.1, all others are USB 2.0.

    17. Re:It's surprising to me too! by Jobe_br · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, I'll have to see if there's some way to test this w/o an investment!!

    18. Re:It's surprising to me too! by Lord+Maud'Dib · · Score: 1

      Even Seagates website has a very obvious typo. It's contradicted in the press release which was released in 2001! See here.

  2. D'oh by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 0

    One wonders if DirecTV is thinking, "Crap, we could be running this in ads if we hadn't abandoned Tivo."

    1. Re:D'oh by raygundan · · Score: 1

      DirecTV tivos never even supported TivoToGo in the first place. The whole idea terrifies them.

    2. Re:D'oh by MikeDataLink · · Score: 1

      I am right on the verge of cancelling my DirecTV service simply because they are dropping Tivo support. They obviously are morons and couldn't care less about thier customers. I paid $400 for a HD Direc-Tivo to be told they are dropping Tivo. Nice.

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    3. Re:D'oh by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 4, Informative

      "DirecTV tivos never even supported TivoToGo in the first place. The whole idea terrifies them."

      It isn't that DirecTV is terrified by the process due to legal implications; its because DirecTV's parent company - News Corp. aka "Fox" - owns TiVo competitor NDS which does not have a similar option. NDS has been slow to market with just about every platform they've developed, and Rupert Murdoch is using DirecTV as a means of making his investment in NDS not look like a foolish mistake. If TiVo-To-Go and the other Home Media features were enabled on all DirecTV branded TiVos, who would seriously sign up for the NDS DirecTV DVR model? The only things going for the NDS model is that it has a 90 minute live tv buffer and it can display Caller ID info on the screen for incoming telephone calls.

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  3. TV Shows on iPod by ccZaphod · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've been carrying shows around on my iPod for years. I've got a dozen episodes of Farscape sitting on it right now. I watch shows from my iPod on my Laptop when I'm on the road. I have not bought a Video iPod yet and think I'd prefer to watch on a big laptop screen anyway.

    1. Re:TV Shows on iPod by Chr0nik · · Score: 0

      I'm with you, why anyone would want to watch tv shows or movies on that small of a screen escapes me. I prefer to capture them, store them, and watch them on a bigger screen when urge hits me.

      Of course, this technology is still in baby land, and if it catches on, it will mature eventually. For now though, I'll stick with playback on larger screens.

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  4. I wonder... by Sierpinski · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I wonder how long before it will be that the same places that outlaw talking on a cellphone while driving have to add iPods to that list? I've never been in a situation where I needed to watch tv so bad that I felt I had to carry one around with me everywhere.

    Would I feel differently if I had one of my own? Doubtful, (though I am open-minded about it) because I'd much rather have someone buy me something that I could really use, like a new garage door opener.

    I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, yadda yadda, but paying all that money for a tiny TV just seems ridiculous to me, when there are so many other things that I could use, like this. You never know when they might save your life!

    1. Re:I wonder... by garcia · · Score: 1

      I wonder how long before it will be that the same places that outlaw talking on a cellphone while driving have to add iPods to that list? I've never been in a situation where I needed to watch tv so bad that I felt I had to carry one around with me everywhere.

      You've never been in a situation where you might want to listen to music or catch up on some TV? I am all the time... Sometimes I bring along a book (which depending on the novel is usually more bulky than my Archos) or sometimes I chat, catch up on e-mail/forums, or surf the web from my Sidekick, but if I *know* I'm going to be waiting a long time (i.e. I'm at the dealership having something done to my car) I'm going to catch up on the shows that I would have watched on Saturday evening.

      I'd rather utilize wasted time wasting more time by catching up with the week's TV episodes than sitting there bored. I'm more of a evening reader anyway. That's me though.

    2. Re:I wonder... by thparker · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I wonder how long before it will be that the same places that outlaw talking on a cellphone while driving have to add iPods to that list? I've never been in a situation where I needed to watch tv so bad that I felt I had to carry one around with me everywhere.

      I'm not sure I'd consider this a flame, but it seems unreasonable to compare this scenario to the bizarre need to constantly have access to a phone. (Don't get me wrong -- I have a mobile phone. I just turn it off sometimes. But I digress.)

      Like a bunch of people, I travel for work. I spend at least 5 hours every week on a plane. That's airtime, excluding time sitting around the airport or going back and forth to the airport. And I know many, many people who take 45-minute train rides to work. Personally, when I'm home I want to do stuff that I can only do when I'm home -- taking some shows with me to kill 5 or 6 hours while I'm traveling is pretty convenient. I kill some dead time and regain some free time at home.

      Currently, I do that with my laptop, but an iPod with video would allow me to catch up on some shows in the gate area or during my 40-minute cab ride, not have to juggle my laptop when my meal arrives on the flight, and still watch stuff in the limited space I get on small regional jets. I'm not sold on the new iPod yet -- I'll probably wait another generation and hopefully the screen will get a little bigger.

    3. Re:I wonder... by L7_ · · Score: 1

      Since I got my ipod hooked up to my car stereo (just through a $10 tape player interface), I've almost rear-ended 3 people. I'm always looking down to check which songs I want to play... and it is only a regular old non-video ipod. At least on my cell phone I can keep an eye on the road.

    4. Re:I wonder... by hunterx11 · · Score: 1

      It's already illegal in most states to watch videos or listen to music on headphones while driving already.

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  5. Mac Support by JonahLee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Too bad they never added Tivo To Go For Macintosh, and I doubt they will ever add this feature to Macs either. Nice to be a second or even 3rd class citizen when it comes to Tivo because i own a mac.

    1. Re:Mac Support by Sierpinski · · Score: 1

      Too bad they never added Tivo To Go For Macintosh, and I doubt they will ever add this feature to Macs either. Nice to be a second or even 3rd class citizen when it comes to Tivo because i own a mac.

      Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery. :)

    2. Re:Mac Support by Sinryc · · Score: 0

      Sorry buddy, but when it costs more to develop the software for it to be used on macs, they won't develop it. Remember, Tivo is a company first, they think about costumers second.

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    3. Re:Mac Support by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      The first demos of TiVoToGo were on the Mac. What held up production versions for the Mac was the DRM requirement.

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    4. Re:Mac Support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You buy a machine with less than 10% market share, what do you expect?

    5. Re:Mac Support by djdavetrouble · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just ask Adobe and Quark
      Adobe seems to be doing fine, not to mention Photoshop 7 and Illustrator 10 work fine on all versions of os x. And as for quark...
      well, if they spent less time on their wierd copy protection maybe the software would work better.

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    6. Re:Mac Support by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "Too bad they never added Tivo To Go For Macintosh, and I doubt they will ever add this feature to Macs either. Nice to be a second or even 3rd class citizen when it comes to Tivo because i own a mac."

      Don't give up yet. Word on the street is that they'll be enabling Mac support sometime in Q1 2006.

      If it really bugs you, then go to BestBuy on BlackFriday and pick up their $150 eMachines package (computer, monitor, printer) and then you can have a dedicated cheapie PC to take advantage of TiVo-2-Go. Hey, it is cheaper than opting for an El Gato EyeTV adapter for your Mac.

      What I'm really hoping for is iTunes Store support on TiVos...so you can play AAC and AAC+FairplayDRM'ed songs through the TiVo in the living room. Supposedly, plenty of people have requested this be added.

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    7. Re:Mac Support by rock711 · · Score: 1

      Straight from the TiVo press release:

      "TiVo said it will begin testing the feature in the coming weeks with a select group of TiVo Series2(TM) subscribers who own the Apple Video iPod or PSP devices. TiVo said it plans to make the feature available to its entire standalone TiVo Series2 subscriber base as early as the first quarter of next year."

      The word entire would presumably include Mac users. Of course, this could be a typo, but at least there's some hope.

    8. Re:Mac Support by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      I still wonder if Apple will add Tivo like functions to the mini.
      All it would take is a tuner card and remote...
      Latest rumor... Apple buys Nintendo and adds tuner card to the Mini :).
      Apple in a one move adds a large library of games to the mini and makes it the media center of the future. iTunes puts Blockbuster out of business overnight.

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    9. Re:Mac Support by Moofie · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure why they'd be thinking of the costumers, but I am pretty sure that the CUSTOMERS got hosed by the DRM requirements, not the development costs (development was already done, and was pretty trivial).

      But I don't know how it is on your planet.

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    10. Re:Mac Support by mr100percent · · Score: 3, Insightful
      iPods were doing "well" until Apple made a windows-compatible version, then they exploded into an even better bestseller.


      Yes, Apple did keep modifying their kernel and breaking stuff in the past. Now they have a consistent kernel system in 10.4 that will allow updates without breaking stuff. Read more about their kernel update system with KPIs

    11. Re:Mac Support by mr100percent · · Score: 1

      10% Marketshare of new PC sales. That number is low because of companies, libraries, and universities buying stacks of Dells in bulk; the marketshare of homes is much higher.

      Also, Macs last longer, I've seen Mac Classics still in use while nobody uses 386's anymore. Macs have 25% share in installed computers, as opposed to new sales.

    12. Re:Mac Support by overclocker89 · · Score: 1

      The main reason it is not availible and will not bea available for a long time is because M$ only trusts Windows Media Player 10. Microsoft has not released version 10 for the Mac and therefore no support for the DRM.

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    13. Re:Mac Support by futurekill · · Score: 4, Informative

      You don't need Tivo2Go to download shows from your Series 2 Tivo, you don't event need to mod it....if you go to 'https://tivo:@/nowplaying/index.html' you can download all the shows on your Tivo...Unfortunately, they come down as .tivo files. These files are basically mpegs with an annoying wrapper around them. I use a program (via Virtual PC :-( ) called "Direct Show Filter Dump" to scrape the wrapper off and leave with with an mpeg. It works pretty well, but still requires access to a PeeCee, well, sort of... If anyone knows of a utility to scrape this off in the Mac natively, give a shout. I've tried ffMpeg without any luck, although it is still a very useful program.

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    14. Re:Mac Support by nuckin+futs · · Score: 1

      so what do you use for a username/password when it prompts you?

    15. Re:Mac Support by futurekill · · Score: 1

      The user name is tivo and the password is your Media Access key...

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    16. Re:Mac Support by futurekill · · Score: 1

      The formatting got messed up in my previous post...if you specify the URL as 'https://tivo:[MEDIA ACCESS KEY]@[TIVO IP ADDRESS]/nowplaying/index.html' it shouldn't prompt you for anything...

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    17. Re:Mac Support by Carthag · · Score: 1

      I haven't a Tivo, but it's possible that mpgcat can do it. I had that work with mpeg files that were wrapped in QT.

    18. Re:Mac Support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure what the exact question here is for iTunes support. I have full iTunes and iPhoto support on my Humax Series2 Tivo.

    19. Re:Mac Support by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "I'm not sure what the exact question here is for iTunes support. I have full iTunes and iPhoto support on my Humax Series2 Tivo."

      Are you stating you can stream iTunes Music Store purchased tracks to your TiVo and it will play them?

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    20. Re:Mac Support by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

      That number is low because of companies, libraries, and universities

      Don't forget the government. I would like to see a study of what Mac market share is of the number of personal computers that are actually *personal*.

    21. Re:Mac Support by DA-MAN · · Score: 1

      The main reason it is not availible and will not bea available for a long time is because M$ only trusts Windows Media Player 10. Microsoft has not released version 10 for the Mac and therefore no support for the DRM.

      Perhaps I am a little naive, but what in the hell does Microsoft have to do with TiVo or Apple?

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  6. Mac software? by toupsie · · Score: 5, Informative
    The sad part is that Apple Mac users will not be able to transcode the Tivo files for Apple iPods because of Windows DRM. I keep around an old Windows notebook just to covert Tivo files to AVIs so I can store them on my Mac Mini hooked to my HDTV. What a hassle. Tivo refuses to support Mac users and release a Tiger compatible version of their software. Tivo is supposed to make my life easier by conforming TV to my schedule not to Hollywood's whim. Once my two Tivos die, I will never, ever give money to that stupid TV with legs and arms.

    FU Tivo.

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    1. Re:Mac software? by Lefty+McGrep · · Score: 1

      Yeah, iPod support EXCEPT for Mac users. What a joke and an insult.

    2. Re:Mac software? by BushCheney08 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Since the files will be converted to mp4 files, they should be playable on a Mac. Let's hope that they'll spend the next few months before rollout working on a Mac compatible version of TiVo Desktop so that you can actually do the conversion on one, too.

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    3. Re:Mac software? by NardofDoom · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Build a MythTV system. Seriously. I've never done it, but a friend of mine, who's got a lot fewer skills than me, had one up and running in less than three hours, for under $400.

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    4. Re:Mac software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    5. Re:Mac software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be a karma whore, you have to copy comments that are prone to being modded *up*.

    6. Re:Mac software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't say he was a good Karma whore. ;)

    7. Re:Mac software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      buy a real computer or stop crying

    8. Re:Mac software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Oh come on. Every single app that breaks does so because of this:

      1) Apple posts (or doesn't post!) API. Apple says in large capital letters, "DO NOT RELY ON THE BEHAVIOR OF X, FOR IT IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE."
      2) Third-party idiot relies on the behavior of X.
      3) As warned, Apple changes X, software breaks.

      Software which does not rely on unspecified behavior basically never breaks. Find something like this written for 10.0, it will work on 10.4. The problem is that some companies, apparently TiVo is among them, don't understand the difference between public, supported behavior and private, unsupported behavior. And then when Apple rightfully breaks their products, people come out of the woodwork blaming Apple when their stuff no longer works, when they should be blaming the people who wrote the crappy software to begin with.

    9. Re:Mac software? by Lefty+McGrep · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wait. Are you referring to a Windows machine as a "real computer?" Bwahahahahahahaaa Priceless.

    10. Re:Mac software? by flyinwhitey · · Score: 0, Troll

      "The sad part is that Apple Mac users will not be able to transcode the Tivo files for Apple iPods because of Windows DRM. I keep around an old Windows notebook just to covert Tivo files to AVIs so I can store them on my Mac Mini hooked to my HDTV. What a hassle. Tivo refuses to support Mac users and release a Tiger compatible version of their software [versiontracker.com]. Tivo is supposed to make my life easier by conforming TV to my schedule not to Hollywood's whim. Once my two Tivos die, I will never, ever give money to that stupid TV with legs and arms.

      FU Tivo."

      Explain please why it's Tivo's fault you bought a Mac.

      Right...

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    11. Re:Mac software? by technomancerX · · Score: 1

      The really funny thing is the TiVo desktop does in fact work on the current version of OS X. I use it to stream music to my receiver from iTunes on my Powerbook all the time. What doesn't work is TiVoToGo. I agree it's inconvenient, but I transfer video to my Windoze box and convert the format before archiving. I still love my TiVos, as their value is in time shifting TV content for me. Archiving shows and making DVDs of things I can't buy are added bonuses for me.

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    12. Re:Mac software? by TheNumberSix · · Score: 5, Informative
      Explain please why it's Tivo's fault you bought a Mac.

      Well, here's the dilemma. TiVo had fully supported Macs for a long time. And suddenly when the Tivo2Go feature came out, TiVo just didn't release a Mac version. And they didn't say much of anything about it.

      There was no announcement that they are dropping Mac support, there was... nothing. So the Mac users who were previously supported think that they are owed either of these:

      1. TiVo should simply announce that no Mac support will be given henceforth.

      2. At least some kind of update on Mac support. Maybe not even a release date, but at least an announcement that they are working on it.

      Now maybe I'm misunderstanding your post and you're trying to snark on Macs or whatever, and that's fine. I just want to make it clear that this isn't just Mac users clamoring for support out of the blue.
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    13. Re:Mac software? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      It's unfortunate, but Macs are very much a niche that's not always worth supporting. Much of the reason that Macs are supported despite having 1/20th of the potential market is that it's easier to program for (or seemed so when I tried, pretty cool stuff) and tech support isn't such a pain because the behind-the-scenes stuff in OS X isn't nearly as shoddy as their counterparts in Windows, especially when it comes to third-party add-ins that seem to be another source of headaches in Windows.

      Disclaimer: I use a Powermac running Tiger, and a workstation running Windows 2000, and am happy with both.

    14. Re:Mac software? by Moofie · · Score: 2, Informative

      So why were Macs supported, and then they stopped?

      If Tivo doesn't want my business, that's just fine. They just need to state that clearly.

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    15. Re:Mac software? by TheNumberSix · · Score: 1

      Well I know it's bad form to reply to your own posts, but I just found out that TiVo *finally* had something to say about Mac support!

      It's coming in mid-2006. TiVoPony is an official TiVo guy.

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    16. Re:Mac software? by flyinwhitey · · Score: 0, Troll

      My question was

      Why is it Tivo's fault you bought a mac.

      The correct answer is "It isn't"

      Everything in your post could have been edited out.

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    17. Re:Mac software? by Ungulate · · Score: 1

      FWIW, I have it on good authority that the Mac version of T2G began internal alpha testing last week.

  7. Re:MythTV by Evangelion · · Score: 5, Funny

    MPEG output. Open source. Built on any operating system you want. MythTV is simply everything TiVo, Sony, and Apple are not.

    Including about 40+ hours of your time, and several wasted unsupported TV tuner card and TV-out video card purchases.

  8. File Size? by ZiakII · · Score: 1

    Is the Tivo program it self going to shrink the file down to be able to handle more then 1 episode of a show on the ipod? I can just see how the resoultion and filesize not working on it well.

  9. Re:Wait a second... by BushCheney08 · · Score: 0

    Hey hey now! Repealing the 22nd amendment is entirely possible. Not to mention, the name is more of a bad joke than anything...It's my pseudo-troll account, and I've somehow managed to work my way up to excellent karma... : /

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  10. Huh. by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 1, Informative

    Seeing as TiVo hasn't even bothered to make TiVo Desktop compatible with Tiger yet, I'll take this report with a grain of salt.

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  11. Re:MythTV by Seth+Finklestein · · Score: 1, Informative

    It only took me about 3 hours of work to skim through the HOWTO, order the parts from NewEgg.com, put all the parts together, and pop in a KnoppMyth disc I burned myself. Of course, I actually read all the HOWTOs before just getting in my SUV and driving myself down to CompUSA to drool all over the unsupported TV-in and TV-out devices. You're* mileage may vary.

    * Since you cannot read a HOWTO, I'm assuming that you think this is the same word as "Your," which is the correct word to use here.

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  12. Re:MythTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Just buy a supported card. Read before you try/buy, it's not that hard. Why would anyone buy something other then the Hauppauge anyhow, inexpensive cards and the best capture quality. Better then the Tivo's even.

    It only took me like 4 hours to setup my Myth backend from scratch. It's been like a year since. I have done 3 upgrades via APT-GET and it works great.

    I can even transfer my video from the box at Gigabit speeds.

    I used to have a Tivo, and hacked it for full network access. This blows it away in almost every single point. I honestly cannot think of one single item that I miss from Tivo. The Tivo maxed out at like 1.3 Megabytes per second on transfer rate, my Myth box gets like 10-15 Megabytes per sec.

  13. How long until by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 3, Informative

    We get a news story about a group of mysterious stormtroopers breaking into the Tivo headquarters and slaughtering its executive board.

    I mean, didn't the MPAA just force them to allow remove-deletion of content at will? I can't imagine that promoting copying of saved tv shows will sit well with the cartels.

  14. iPod and 'The Innovators Dilemma' by rewinn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    iPod seems to be turning into the canonical example of attacking an industry leader from below, as detailed in Clayton M. Christensen's "The Innovator's Dilemma: When New Technologies Cause Great Firms to Fail" a decade back.

    In business computing, PCs broke the dominance of mainframes in the computing environment by introducing relatively cheap gadgets that were more expensive and less profitable per business function than the industry leaders, who quite logically ignored them; and then PCs crept up the functionality curve to wipe out the dinosaurs.

    In autos, the Japanese starting importing cheap cars to the US that were less profitable that our domestic industry leaders, who quite logically failed to respond effectively. While GM etc always made cheap cars too, they didn't try to match Japan's cheap-and-good model; Toyota etc crept up the functionality curve nearly to wipe out the dinosaurs.

    Now in computing: the iPod, started cheap, and is creeping up the functionality curve.

    The question is, will the industry leaders recognize and respond effectively? Or rather, can they? I don't intend to be making a yet another cheap flame of the world's leading software company, which cannot be ignorant of the what's going on, but responding may require breaking their business model.

    1. Re:iPod and 'The Innovators Dilemma' by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "The question is, will the industry leaders recognize and respond effectively? Or rather, can they? I don't intend to be making a yet another cheap flame of the world's leading software company, which cannot be ignorant of the what's going on, but responding may require breaking their business model."

      Okay, but who are you referring to as the industry dinosaurs for your scenario, the MPAA studios or TiVo and the other DVR manufacturers? Or both, with the iPod serving as their executioner?

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    2. Re:iPod and 'The Innovators Dilemma' by rewinn · · Score: 1

      >Okay, but who are you referring to as the industry dinosaurs for your scenario, the MPAA studios or TiVo and the other DVR manufacturers?

      Wintel.

      The iPod is a cheap computer, with limited functionality compared to your desktop or your laptop. Its only advantages are its customer-pleasing price, its focus on functions customers want, and its ability to creep up to desktop functionality ... when it wants to.

    3. Re:iPod and 'The Innovators Dilemma' by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "The iPod is a cheap computer, with limited functionality compared to your desktop or your laptop. Its only advantages are its customer-pleasing price, its focus on functions customers want, and its ability to creep up to desktop functionality ... when it wants to."

      I dunno about that one. The iPod would need a better processor (an Intel ARM based processor) for starts as well as a better OS to go along with it to get better media features standard. It has been reported in the past that Apple engineers are rather fed up with the iPod's OS, but it would probably take a lot to slim down OS X for a "Mobile OS X" solution or dusting off the Newton OS. Another option would be to buy the remnants of BeOS from PalmSource, but something tells me that PalmSource's new corporate overlords would not agree to that.

      Granted, the TiVo Series3 will need a better microprocessor than those MIPS 200mhz processors they currently sport in the Series2 models. Perhaps they should also be looking at a StrongARM chip from Intel, or a Sony/IBM Cell processor(s).

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    4. Re:iPod and 'The Innovators Dilemma' by rewinn · · Score: 1

      >The iPod would need a better processor (an Intel ARM based processor) for starts as well as a better OS

      I'm sure your facts are correct, but the same was truthfully said of PCs in the early days and other "Innovator's-Dilemma"-class dinosaur slayers.

      The "Death From Below" strategy starts with cheap, weak stuff that it's not profitable or otherwise rational for the dinos to resist. The significant difference today is that MS is headed by the most successful businessman in history; is he willing to break his business model to stay on top? Who knows ? The the organ grinder PC may factor into the mix as well.

  15. and.... by carguy84 · · Score: 1

    The chances this will be supported on DirecTivo....bwaaahahahhaaaaahahahaha 0

  16. I guess it's worth a try. by Techguy666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I just don't see this flying. DRM and real-time encoding?? So you're limited in what you can do with the file AND it takes 2 hours to convert a 2 hour show and then however long to synch it with the device...

    The people who really want to watch movies on their iPods and PSP will either have already created their own (DRM-free) hacks or will have bought the movie on a UMD. The people who only casually thinks, gee, it might be nice to have a copy this week's episode of "Stacked" on my iPod won't want to wait for almost an hour to get a half-hour sitcom... The nice thing about most PVRs and the ol' VCRs is that they're relatively simple to operate. Every additional step and limitation of this new system makes the recording technology less desirable - especially if the media can be found pre-packaged (from iTunes or Sony's UMD format).

  17. Trying vs. Overly-Restrictive DRM by sagenumen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "...will include digital watermarks to try to cut down on piracy. "

    That's what I like to hear. Honestly, they'll never eliminate it because there will be the people that just won't pay, but if there was a distribution system (that offered better than 128kbps), was reasonably priced, and offered less restrictive DRM, the general public would have little incentive to pirate. The only things keeping me from buying legal tracks are the DRM and the bitrate. I don't even mind the dollar a song because I'm not getting filler tracks that I would get on a CD.

    Anyway...I'm rambling...

    1. Re:Trying vs. Overly-Restrictive DRM by generic-man · · Score: 1

      What exactly will happen?

      1. User rips TV episode from TiVo
      2. User distributes TV episode using BitTorrent
      3. TiVo Inc. downloads TV episode
      4. TiVo Inc. decodes watermark, identifies subscriber who ripped it

      And then what? In my opinion they ought to do nothing (and Profit!) but I suspect their user agreement stipulates that the user's TiVo should be deactivated. With TiVo already in hot water among users for various non-consumer-friendly things (DRM on TiVoToGo, ads, more ads, content protection, billboard ads) I think TiVo would be wise to just let it slide.

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  18. Shameless troll by max+born · · Score: 1, Troll

    TiVo's announcement comes as it faces stiffer competition from computer companies, cell phone providers and television networks that are scrambling to beam TV shows into any handheld device with a screen capable of playing video.

    This is great news and I don't mean to be a troll but isn't it a bit disturbing that companies seem more focused on systems that promote vendor-lockin by controlling content?

    Television is bascially a one-way pipe to a dumb terminal. I'd much rather see companies working toward bringing greater Internet access to these devices whereby consumers can shop for competitive content in an open market.

    Just a thought.

  19. Giveth, and taketh away by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So TiVo will let us transfer shows to our iPods. This is the same TiVo that already makes their DVRs will obey the Broadcast Flag despite no federal legislation ever mandating such compliance. Seems to me that Disney, the WB, and every other studio will simply flag all their broadcasts as Do Not Record, blocking such free attempts to provide content to one's iPod and PSP and requiring these shows to be purchased. Therefore this announcement therefore amounts to NOTHING!

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    1. Re:Giveth, and taketh away by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "So TiVo will let us transfer shows to our iPods. This is the same TiVo that already makes their DVRs will obey the Broadcast Flag despite no federal legislation ever mandating such compliance. Seems to me that Disney, the WB, and every other studio will simply flag all their broadcasts as Do Not Record, blocking such free attempts to provide content to one's iPod and PSP and requiring these shows to be purchased. Therefore this announcement therefore amounts to NOTHING!"

      Hollywood is still trying to hoist the Broadcast Flag onto Congress. TiVo is ahead of the ballgame just-in-case it becomes law. Would you prefer them to miss a deadline and suffer an injunction so that they cannot ship products until they comply with the law? How about a suicidal run against the MPAA like Replay? In either scenario, the only parties that benefit from an activist TiVo will be the likes of Motorola, NDS, and Scientific Atlanta (now a division of Cisco) who all ship under-performing DVRs for the cablecos and will automatically benefit by having TiVo close its doors. Be careful what you wish for.

      And the content distributors will not enable the broadcast flag until it becomes law. They'd be sued class-action style if they did otherwise, not to mention suffer FCC fines.

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  20. Replay TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is pretty easy to do on my Replay TV. I have put a quite a few shows on my ipod video already. Keeps the wife busy on long car trips.
    Dvarchive to grab the shows from the Replay TV and then use one of the many free converters to change the format to IPOD friendly.

  21. Re:MythTV by hkb · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Built on any operating system you want"

    As long as you want Linux. *cough*

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  22. Re:MythTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It only took me about 3 hours of work to skim through the HOWTO, order the parts from NewEgg.com, put all the parts together, and pop in a KnoppMyth disc I burned myself.

    And then it all magically worked as soon as you put the CD, and didn't require manually faffing to get all the right listings information, you didn't need to build (or purchase) your own IR sender (you know, so you can actually change channels - assuming your not just watching some form of Pikey TV) and you never need to do regular maintenance because it's fucked itself up (again).

    It's good software - more powerful than TiVo's, though not as robust or polished - but it's nowhere near just 3 hours worth of time required to set it up.

  23. Bah, US Bastards :) by Zentac · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    The 1 reason to move to the US (TiVo) just got even hotter

    1. Re:Bah, US Bastards :) by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 2, Informative

      "The 1 reason to move to the US (TiVo) just got even hotter"

      TiVo is now in Canada officially. Just thought I'd mention that.

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  24. really? by runner91786 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Great, so now i guess Tivo will make me connect my iPod to the phone line to receive "service updates" also?!?

    1. Re:really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not connect it to your broadband connection? unless you have a Series 1.

    2. Re:really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And even if it was a Series 1 he could haxxor it to support broadband. It has been done.

  25. "Piracy"? by eno2001 · · Score: 0

    Was it "piracy" when people videotaped hit TV shows in the 70s, 80s and 90s and then passed the tape around to family and friends? I don't think so. What about all those mix tapes EVERYONE made in college? Again, I don't think so. Why is the industry so worried about the same behavior in the digital realm? This is just stupid corporatist politics to try and enforce ARTIFICIAL restrictions where there should be none. I mean seriously... OK, some guy downloads the entire first season of the Sopranos from the net with P2P and doesn't buy the DVD box set. Do you HONESTLY think this guy was going to buy it in the first place??? Some people are idiots and will do anything they can to get something for free. But if the only option they have left (because in the future P2P has been killed and compression formats that approximate the quality of real distribution media are illegal to possess if you are a consumer) is to buy the thing they want. They WON'T buy it. They'll find another way to acquire it whether it's shoplifting or breaking into someone's house and taking it or if they're truly honest (like me) they won't buy it. Period. Meanwhile, the whole downloadable media experience is hampered by an industry's paranoia. Ridiculous.

    There are plenty of people who will buy the media through the appropriate channels and that will make plenty of money for these companies. The problem is that they don't just want "plenty of money" they want increasing gains. That's NOT possible. It's not possible to force increasing profit. There is a point where you're done. You've hit the limit. There is only so much money in the world and people are only willing to allot only a bit of their own money to entertainment. I have nothing against these companies making money for the products they sell. I have something against them believing that they have a right to continually growing profits. They don't. End of story. If you disagree with me, go jump off a bridge right now. I don't care.

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    1. Re:"Piracy"? by flyinwhitey · · Score: 1

      "Was it "piracy" when people videotaped hit TV shows in the 70s, 80s and 90s and then passed the tape around to family and friends? I don't think so."

      Despite what you "think" you're wrong, it was piracy.

      I would be interested to hear your reasoning on why it was not, however.

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    2. Re:"Piracy"? by WolfZombie · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the amount of money these greedy bastards.. er.. companies spend on the anti piracy movement. Why would I buy something from you that you are going to limit the amount of times I can watch/listen/play it? Isn't that renting the content and not selling it?

      Can you imagine the quality of content that would be coming out today if these companies would focus on quality as opposed to quantity? And to top it off, invest in their product and not their legal staff?

    3. Re:"Piracy"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about all those mix tapes EVERYONE made in college? Again, I don't think so.

      Actually, yes, technically every single one of those tapes was chock full o' copyright violations.

  26. Wide-open markets by jfengel · · Score: 1

    The funny thing is that television got to be a one-way pipe to a dumb terminal precisely when it was the most monopolistic. The US government adopted TV standards, and sold (for a pittance) the rights to spectrum that has become increasingly valuable over the years. The terminal is dumb only because a standard was imposed; otherwise, the network affiliates could all have chosen different standards to try to lock you in to watching a particular network. Or you could buy a smarter box to read them all.

    Now that the market for video delivery is far more open, you see companies doing precisely what companies do when they compete: try to lock you in to theirs. You've got many more options, and while being able to pick and choose is better for you, it's a loss for the company who would rather keep 100% of the attention that they pay so much to get (both in terms of bandwidth to deliver their content, whether from a web server or a broadcast tower, and in marketing to convince you to check them out in the first place.)

    In other words, it seems to me as if the free market is doing exactly what it's always doing. In a sense what you're asking for is to remove an element of competition, by forcing the various vendors to adhere to some sort of standard.

    It may be that those who choose a more open standard will form a cartel between them and eventually win over the others as you the consumer elect the single distribution channel with the most content. Or maybe not; even a decade after cell phones became widespread they still interoperate only via the original monopolistic network. It being an open market, it's up to the consumer to decide.

  27. It will be OS X compatible (at least somewhat) by macslut · · Score: 5, Informative

    It makes sense that they would support OS X. The old TiVoToGo relied on Windows Media DRM which was unavailable on the Mac. The tech to make this new watermarking method available on OS X would be trivial. The files themselves *must* be compatible with the Mac if they are to play on the iPod. There's no way TiVo is getting around that.

    Also TiVo Desktop *is* compatible with OS X 10.4.2 and 10.4.3 (I've heard but not confirmed 10.4.4 as well). There was an incompatibility with 10.4.0 and 10.4.1, but the later releases of Tiger worked well. The installer gives a false "failed" message, but it does install and it does work very well (better than 10.3.x).

    It should also be noted that the CEO of TiVo is a Mac user. They very much wanted to provide Mac support for TiVoToGo, but didn't want to take the legal risk of allowing shows to be transferred without any DRM. Considering Apple won't license their DRM and Windows Media DRM isn't compatible with the Mac, TiVo had little choice but to release for Windows only and/or develop their own DRM method. It looks like the success of the iPod has convinced TiVo that it was worth developing a watermark method that would make the files compatible with the iPod, and as result, the files must be compatible with the Mac.

    The only question remains is whether TiVo will provide Mac software that *pulls* (or pushes) the files from the TiVo to the Mac. If they don't, there are plenty of ways of getting around it, but I can't imagine TiVo wouldn't dedicate the couple of hours to develop this software on the Mac.

    1. Re:It will be OS X compatible (at least somewhat) by Punt3r · · Score: 1

      Just because it will play on a iPod doesn't mean ~everything about it~ will play nicely with a Mac.

      The old TiVo Desktop software that was available for the Mac never supported video.

      Pulling video off the TiVo is trivial. The box runs an HTTP server. But it serves already-DRM'd ".tivo" files.

      I don't know of any decoder available on the Mac to decode that video format. So, you might still need a PC to recode the video from a ".tivo" file to some other DRM'd format before you can play it on a Mac.

      In any case, I'm much more interested in getting shows from iTunes (purchased or vodcasts) ON to the TiVo. People have already been transcoding their .tivo files and playing them other places for a while now.

      But there are a lot of good "TV Shows" being produced out and distributed via RSS, and I don't want to watch them on my computer. I want to watch them on my TV (via my TiVo). It's already possible to push video back to the TiVo, but it's not as easy as it should be. I'd **much** prefer to see that sort of feature built into TiVo-to-Go or even iTunes.

      For example VodCast TV shows, check out:
      http://www.digitallifetv.com/
      http://www.channelfrederator.com/
      http://www.cerealized.com/
      http://www.rocketboom.com/

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    2. Re:It will be OS X compatible (at least somewhat) by hexix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also TiVo Desktop *is* compatible with OS X 10.4.2 and 10.4.3 (I've heard but not confirmed 10.4.4 as well). There was an incompatibility with 10.4.0 and 10.4.1, but the later releases of Tiger worked well. The installer gives a false "failed" message, but it does install and it does work very well (better than 10.3.x).

      Mac OS X v10.2 - v10.3.x
      (Not compatible with Mac OS X 10.4: Tiger)

      - Tivo Desktop Download Page

      Perhaps you're correct that you can get it to work on 10.4, but as the download page says, it's not supported and they apparently could care less if it works. The fact that you're saying it does work and they haven't bothered to update their download page shows the lack of care they have for mac users.

      The only question remains is whether TiVo will provide Mac software that *pulls* (or pushes) the files from the TiVo to the Mac. If they don't, there are plenty of ways of getting around it, but I can't imagine TiVo wouldn't dedicate the couple of hours to develop this software on the Mac.

      I think you might want to be prepared for disappointment . TivoToGo is a terrible solution, even for windows users. Tivo has turned in to a company more interested in making a feature-list than making a good product. These half-baked solutions are proof of that, this ipod compatibility is likely another half-baked solution.

      I'd be willing to bet that all this is going to be is a program for windows that will convert the show to a 320x240 sized mpeg 4 video file. That's it. So this means it will take about 1 hour to transfer the show, 20 minutes to convert it, then however long to put it on your ipod. I'd love to be wrong about this, but I don't think I will be.

    3. Re:It will be OS X compatible (at least somewhat) by crumley · · Score: 1

      You should take a look at Galleon (not to be confused with Galeon). It includes videocasting support.

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  28. Downsides by doormat · · Score: 1

    1. Transfers take forever, regardless of wired or wireless connection.
    2. No Mac support.
    3. Tivo is notoriously hideous on hitting their timelines. They annouced TivoToGo at CES 2004 and only released it a little before CES 2005 to limited beta testers (the full official unveiling of TTG was after CES 05).

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    1. Re:Downsides by MarkGriz · · Score: 1

      4. It isn't supported on the new iPod Micro, but that's probably because it's obsolete

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    2. Re:Downsides by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "4. It isn't supported on the new iPod Micro, but that's probably because it's obsolete"

      Was that a SNL "Weekend Update" reference to the Steve Jobs skit this last Saturday? If so, you should've referenced the micro invisible iPod that also floats.

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  29. A simpler alternative by Trebonius · · Score: 2, Informative

    Another device that'll record to PSP video is the Neuros Recorder2.

    It doesn't have the wide array of Tivolike features, but if you just want to convert analog video to digital for your PSP, this should work well.

  30. great, now where is my HD Tivo? by asv108 · · Score: 1

    I purchased a series2 Tivo three years ago and it has served me well, but when is Tivo going to finally release an HD capable standalone box? Three years is a lifetime for a struggling company not to release a major product update.

  31. Yeah, but. by testpoint · · Score: 1

    What features would you really like to see in TiVo?
    TiVo has seriously fallen behind the technology curve and little software and marketing bandaids are not getting the job done.

    1. Re:Yeah, but. by CPUGuy · · Score: 1

      I would like to see something more than the heavily underpowerd processor currently in it.

      An interface that doesn't clutter up your already low-res TV.

      Boot-up time of less than 5 minutes.

      Thing I like the least about my TiVo S2 is how absolutely PATHETIC the system performance is. I've had the system come to a near hault to the point where it would show about 1 frame per second on the TV, if I had been transfering shows to my PC over night. Only way to fix the problem is to reboot the system, which takes about 5 mins. Not to mention how slowly the menus and such work in general.

      Perhaps the ability to record a show on one channel and watch another. Probably isn't possible because of just how bad the hardware is.

      A built-in ethernet adapater (even if it is just a wired one) would be nice.

      I just got my TiVo, but I was thinking about getting a Media Center Extender because of how bad the system performs.

  32. This might make me get TiVo by Rick+Genter · · Score: 1

    I've been holding off on getting TiVo - never really saw the need, since my TV viewing time is limited as it is and between, SciFi, Cartoon Network, Comedy Central, HBO and ESPN there's almost always something I *want* to watch on when I do have time.

    But I just got an iPod video, and now the thought of TiVo-ing Adult Swim to my iPod video for watching while I commute to/from work is just *too* tempting :-).

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  33. Re:MythTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Er, or OSX...

  34. Re:MythTV by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

    I guess you didn't read the huge just buy a happauge card they work in the HowTo's??

    Realy the only huge issue that stops me from using MythTV is quality loss as compared to my HD direct tivo's, and there appears to be a rather unsightly and expensive fix for that one as well (hacked HD direct tivo's that output HD via firewire) I say unsightly as it requires anther external PC to run there code and isn't very living room friendly at least untill I get to putting in an equipment closet. I would love to see the day when we get a real interconnect standard in place firewire works very well.

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  35. Piracy ... by hummassa · · Score: 1

    it was not. AFAIK it was "time shifting", a form of "fair use".

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    1. Re:Piracy ... by Cheviot · · Score: 1
      it was not. AFAIK it was "time shifting", a form of "fair use".


      Sorry, no. "Timeshifting" allows you to do just that, record a program to shift the viewing time to one more convenient for you.

      The fair use timeshifting exemption has no provision to allow you to give or loan such a recording to your friends. That would be distributing a copyrighted work.
  36. Commuting. by hummassa · · Score: 1

    The question is: "why would anyone want to watch tv shows or movies on that small of a screen?"
    The answer is: "because a laptop is not really usable in a bus or train, but watching an episode of House (*) during those commuting times would be great even if you have to squint your eyes a little."
    (*) any other dialogue-based (as opposed to full-imagery-based) show would be nice.

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  37. TivoTool, Features, Compatibility by SoLoatWork · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nice to see Tivo do something smart, for a change. This company has disrespected and disowned the Mac platform since Tiger came out. A *one line* fix for the Tivo Desktop software is all they needed to release for final Tiger compatibility. As of today, that broken version is still on their web page. It also doesn't include aac audio support; a minor thing on other platforms, but a snub to the Mac users who have large aac collections. That version also lacks significant functionality that it's Windows counterpart contains. Noteably the TivoToGo (video downloading) feature. This is why I wrote TivoTool.

    One goal of TivoTool is to represent what I think TivoToGo should be like on the Mac. It looks like soon I will be able to directly compare. The other goal of TivoTool is to put a friendly front-end on some "hacking" tools. You see, that is the catch - you need to decrypt their MPEG2 video streams to have true freedom. This requires you open the device (void your warranty) and hook up it's drive to your Linux box. Since there are many types of Tivos and many software versions, this process is not as easy as it should be.

    In no particular order, here are some points about TivoTool v TivoToGo:
    * The Tivo network drivers are slow. Even with a USB2 device and hardware support, the drivers just don't take full advantage of what they have. Of course the enthusiast community has come up with faster drivers.
    * Streaming video right off your Tivo and watching it on any computer in the house is cool (TivoTool does this). I don't forsee Tivo adding this capability anytime soon.
    * With TivoTool, you can burn a DVD right from the main interface. TivoToGo requires that you purchase another program to do this.
    * You also need to pay for some sort of MPEG2 codec. TivoTool uses MPlayer which has MPEG2 support.
    * TivoTool can stream-compress to various formats such as avi and mp4 as you download it from the Tivo.
    * Other stuff, I don't want to totally start comparing dick sizes. There is a Linux version of TivoTool though!

    Finally, I should point out that this new software from Tivo will only work on a specific subset of Tivo hardware. Specifically the "Series 2" with software version 7.x. If you have a DirecTV Tivo, sorry. If you have a Series 1, sorry. If you are in the UK or Aus, sorry. Yes, TivoTool works with all of the above.

    Also, notice the Mac platform was never mentioned in their press release. Only "iPod support". This *might* be bad news for the Mac platform, but I'm putting a little faith in Tivo because I still love their device and what it does for me. They can't just put in iPod support for Windows. That would be insane.

  38. Re:Who the f*ck cares?! by overclocker89 · · Score: 0, Troll

    The US dollar is week compared to other countries currencies around the world.

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  39. Re:Fuck you, Mods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do I get an overrated mod when no one modded me up in the first place?
    Fucking dickheads. Useless little dog rapers.


    Whoa, dude, I didn't mod you, but talk about overblown reaction... This isn't a videogame after all, and a slight mis-modding will not cause you to lose face, be laughed at, etc.

    Unless you react like you just did.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
    HAHAHAHA

    Dumbass.

  40. The Mac Demographic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple's customers are like no others--a rich blend of the most sociologically elite with those seeking elegant, simple computing... Unlike users of Intel/Windows computers, a significant portion of Apple's users are active , exploratory , avant-garde and early adopters . The activities they enjoy are unique in the way that they more often incorporate rich media such as video and music as well as more active prosumer behavior than many more passive Windows [and Linux] users.

    -- MetaFacts, Inc.


    With above-average household income and education levels, the Mac population [is] very attractive [ intellectually as well as physically .]

    -- Nielsen/NetRatings (as quoted by C|NET)


  41. TiVoToGo extended to mobile phones by montale127 · · Score: 1

    control of the TiVo and streaming of the content right from the box (series2 from TiVo itself only): http://www.dvreverywhere.com/

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  42. Tivo Caters to TV Watchers by Mister+Gas+Fireplace · · Score: 1

    I really don't understand how you can claim Tivo caters to advertisers when Tivo is making TV advertising obsolete. People don't watch commericals when they can just fast forward through them.

  43. BushCheney08 is also a fucking idiot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It had to be said.

  44. iPod started cheap? by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 1

    The first iPod was $399. This invited many guffaws from MD owners/manufacturers, CD Walkman owners, and memory-based mp3 owners/manufacturers, even current mp3 jukebox (HD) owners.

    I do agree Apple is distrupting Sony quite a bit. But they aren't exactly attacking the market as a whole from below. In fact, they really pushed new bounds as to how much you could charge for a music player.

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  45. The funny thing... by Pii · · Score: 1
    ..is that you need this kind of demographic information in order to feel good about yourself.

    "Look! Smart, wealthy people use Macs, and I want to be one of them!"

    You're awesome, and gosh darn it, people like you.

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    For those that would die defending it, Freedom
    has a sweet taste that the protected will never know.
  46. I have switched to Galleon for streaming. by toupsie · · Score: 1

    I have switched to Galleon to stream music to my Tivos. It works fairly well.

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  47. WhAt KiNd Of NaMe Is TiVoToGo??? by HishamMuhammad · · Score: 1

    Crap, now that's a stupid name. Or should I say, StUpId NaMe.

  48. Re:MythTV by hkb · · Score: 1

    As far as I know (which is a lot), MythTV doesn't run on Mac OS X. However, there is a MythTV frontend available for Mac OS X. "Porting" MythTV to Mac OS X theoretically wouldn't be too hard, since MythTV itself is mostly just a frontend to v4l and some other cruft.

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  49. ReplayTV by meehawl · · Score: 1

    now the thought of TiVo-ing Adult Swim to my iPod video for watching while I commute to/from work is just *too* tempting

    Consider ReplayTV, with built-in ethernet. It's got a Java-based platform-neutral controller called DVArchive, and it produces MPGs suitable for transcoding to iPod or PSP with no DRM attached. Oh, and you can share and download thousands of shows from other ReplayTV owners using Poopli.

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  50. Re:MythTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why wouldn't you?

  51. Re:Fuck you, Mods by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 0, Troll

    I wasn't serious, AC pussy.

  52. Why always staggered rollouts, Tivo? by Slider · · Score: 1

    "The service begins beta-testing for select subscribers today, with a widespread rollout scheduled for early next year."

    This is what really irked me when I was a Tivo subscriber back in the day. Take TivoToGo when it was first released for instance, it went through this same nonsensical beta-test/staggered rollout that they are doing again. Subscribers were randomly selected with no rhyme or reason to receive the software update over a span of MONTHS. Months. And before you can say "it was beta software", it wasn't. No update was ever given to the so-called beta testers, they had the final version.
    Tivo tried to rememedy this and created a webpage where you could enter in your serial number and receive "priority" updates which did little good. It was ridiculous and pissed off more users than you would believe (check out the TivoCommunity forums).

    Tivo, either release your software or don't. Stop with these bullshit software rollouts that do nothing but alienate your dwindling user base.

    -Former Tivo subscriber and shareholder

  53. You don't understand how Tivo caters to ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Did you miss all the stories about how Tivo is beta testing a feature whereby they overlay a commercial when it detects you fast forwarding a commercial? Here, read up. It was a story so nice, they posted it twice.

    And even if they don't overlay ads over the ads, studies have shown that you still recall the ad content just the same. So much for fast forwarding through them, eh?

    Or then there was the story about how Tivo lets you respond to ads with the thumbs up button, sending your email address to advertisers. What a great feature that users everywhere were waiting for!

    Then there was the story about commercials on demand that you probably missed.

    My series 2 tivo rotated ads and trailers into the main menu. How's that for catering to ads? They give their ad partners equal weight in their UI as "Watch Live TV." There's no slashdot link for that one, because it's so blatant.

    Or the story about how Tivo usage info is collected for advertising agencies. That was a monday, so i can understand if you were too busy to catch that one.

    Sure, but it can't be all that bad, right? I mean, with all of these moves that are so blatantly anti-viewer and pro-advertiser, they must be making up for it in other areas, right?

    Right! They have a 30 second skip feature that allows users to skip right over the unwanted ads. Cool, right? Except it's an easter egg that doesn't persist across reboots, is unadvertised by tivo, and could be taken out at any update without your knowledge. Oh...right.

    But you can use TivoToGo to download your movies and do whatever you want with them, right? Not if you're a mac user, and even if you're on a PC you're encumbered with DRM. So no hope of editing out the commercials yourself unless you want to break the law. Thanks Tivo!

    Tell me again how Tivo does anything to help the viewer get away from ads? Making advertising obsolete, you say? Shit, they're literally revolutionizing the way ads are delivered into your home.

  54. Re:Fuck you, Mods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wasn't serious, AC pussy.

    OK, you say that now... however I'm quite sure that you were in fact serious. See, a small slight (in this case a mis-modding and subsequent trolling - I didn't mod you) becomes something large to you, a threat to what you percieve to be your intellectual superiority.

    And for all the mental giftedness that you hold so high, you lack the ability to recognize social norms and respond appropriately when the situation requires that you do so.

    Or, of course, this could just be yet another demonstration of John Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory

  55. Re:Fuck you, Mods by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 0, Troll
    however I'm quite sure that you were in fact serious.

    Whatever you say, Kreskin.

  56. DirecTiVo by NaDrew · · Score: 1

    Okay, I know DirecTV refuses to support *any* of the networking functions on DirecTiVo units; I have a Linksys WUSB54G plugged in to the USB port on my Philips DSR704R17, but it's not recognized. What do I need to do to enable all these nifty features on my DirecTiVo unit?

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  57. Stop Apple! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://new.petitiononline.com/safeipod/petition.ht ml

    When I first heard of the iPod digital media player, I thought little of it; it was surely only another plaything of an elite group of tinkerers from MIT. Imagine my suprise when, hardly a year later the iPod was not used only by tech junkies, but also by young professionals, teenagers and even parents such as myself. Tired of lugging around a large case of CDs with me whenever I went out, I gave in an purchased an iPod. Little did I know what I was getting myself into.

    My high school aged son, John, became very interested in my iPod and helped me configure my settings. He seemed to want one, too, so I bought him one for his birthday. I bought a modest 10 gigabyte iPod with a black and white display, but since John was turning sixteen I decided to treat him to the best iPod out there. His came with 40 gigabyte of memory and a crystal clear video display which he could use to watch videos of his favorite Contemporary Christian bands. I had put parental controls on our only computer, so I didn't worry about John downloading sinful music produced by the likes of the Beatles or Simon and Garfunkel, both music groups which glorified drug use and promiscuity. I was safe that my son's constant adjustments and late night projects on his iPod were nothing but wholesome. My husband had told me that me that as long as John did not use any hacking programs such as Linux or BSD he wouldn't be able to do anything but fill his iPod with a library full of Christian music. John continued his little technological projects throughout the summer. Fall arrived, and I sent him off to enjoy another year of wholesome education at the local Catholic high school. His iPod was stowed in his bag along with a boxlike device I had been assured was extra memory. The months went on without anything of notice, until mid-November when I was interrupted during my ladies' Bible study at my home by the school. The caller ID showed me the school was calling, but what for? Had John been hurt? Was the school evacuated? The principal was on the line, but he didn't tell me anything except it would be best I came to the school right away for him to explain the situation. I rushed out the door and sped down the road.

    What the principal told me nearly sent me into shock. While I had thought that my John was the most Catholic son on the planet, it was revealed to me that he had been trading pornography in school. Not just magazines furtively thrust into each other's lockers, but using his video iPod, a present for his sixteenth birthday, to trade pornographic images with other iPod users. His constant tinkering, he confessed to me, has not been to streamline his technology, but rather to facilitate the storage and exchange of this foul smut. The "extra memory" was nothing more than a device running a Linux program called "WINE" to expedite the smut exchanges. The school took swift and proper action and promptly expelled all of the children trading pornography. However, this was not punishment enough. I slapped a chastity belt right on my sinful son and made him destroy his pornography archive himself. I thought I had raised my child well, but apparently the mental illness of lust could not be controlled by a schedule filled to overflowing with Mass, youth group and Bible study. After conferring with my husband, we decided it was best to hospitalize John. We pray that the wisdom of the Catholic psychologists will be able to cure John of his sinful lust for unclothed girlflesh.

    However, the temptations and ruin that the Macintosh corporation is peddling to America's children does not have to end like it did with John. I am asking that parents sign the petition here () to ask that Macintosh place a warning label on their iPod products warning parents that the iPo

  58. Who rated this post a 0?! by xaotica · · Score: 1

    it's so obviously a joke. "unclothed girlflesh"? and a funny one at that. altho it's quite possible that it'll become a real controversy in a few months after a gazillion teenagers get video ipods for the holidays.