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Analog Hole Legislation Formally Introduced

phaedo00 writes "Ars Technica is covering a recent bit of legislation introduced to the U.S. House Judiciary Committee this past week. The laws would seek to close the 'Analog Hole' that serves as a sort of last-ditch pirating mechanism when corporate DRM goes all crazy and tramples on your fair-use rights: 'Calling the ability to convert analog video content to a digital format a significant technical weakness in content protection, H.R. 4569 would require all consumer electronics video devices manufactured more than 12 months after the DTCSA is passed to be able to detect and obey a rights signaling system that would be used to limit how content is viewed and used. That rights signaling system would consist of two DRM technologies, Video Encoded Invisible Light (VEIL) and Content Generation Management System--Analog (CGMS-A), which would be embedded in broadcasts and other analog video content.'" We've previously covered this bill.

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  1. I could write something funny... by jhol · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... but I think the whole A.Hole joke was covered in the previous slashdot article about the legislation ;)

    1. Re:I could write something funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      But this time its by Ars! Come on, this ones wide open...

    2. Re:I could write something funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      So its Ars' hole?
      How do they intend to plug it? Some kind of retrofitted device?

  2. digital to analog conversion by sczimme · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Calling the ability to convert analog video content to a digital format a "significant technical weakness in content protection,"

    I'm keen to see how these technically-inclined *ahem* folks intend to remove the digital-analog conversion: to the very best of my knowledge our eyes and ears are analog devices.

    H.R. 4569 would require all consumer electronics video devices manufactured more than 12 months after the DTCSA is passed to be able to detect and obey a "rights signaling system" that would be used to limit how content is viewed and used.

    I foresee a frenzy of electronics sales around ($DATE + 11_months).

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    1. Re:digital to analog conversion by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I foresee a frenzy of cheap Chinese-made DVD recorders where you can simply press "tray open" and "0" to switch off the DRM system. They made region coding look a bit of a lame duck, anyway.

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    2. Re:digital to analog conversion by kahei · · Score: 5, Funny


      to the very best of my knowledge our eyes and ears are analog devices.


      Speak for yourself, flesh creature.

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    3. Re:digital to analog conversion by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's why the next generation of DRM will actually be a small microchip implanted into your brain that does the last step of decoding, taking the scrambled analog inputs from your ears and driving the impulses directly into your somatic sensory cortex. It will probably also have a mandatory "copyright enforcement anti-circumvention device" consisting of a few tenths of a gram of plastic explosive, just in case you try to mod-chip it.

      It's the logical next step, really. Where else are you going to go?

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    4. Re:digital to analog conversion by archeopterix · · Score: 5, Funny
      I foresee a frenzy of cheap Chinese-made DVD recorders where you can simply press "tray open" and "0" to switch off the DRM system. They made region coding look a bit of a lame duck, anyway.
      User's manual: Do not remove the third yellow jumper on the backpanel (counting from the left) to disable the VEIL content protection. This device should be used only to copy content that you have rights to. Thank you for your cooperation.
    5. Re:digital to analog conversion by Total_Wimp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For a few years, my daughter put a microphone in front of the radio to record the songs she liked. A huge chunck of the the movie pirating market is done by bringing a cam-corder into a movie theater. Neither of these methods produce content of especially high quality but, as it turns out, many consumers don't really mind.

      I like my fairly nice audio and video gear, but I don't pirate content either. I imagine that most of the purchasers of nicer equipment don't buy much pirated content. Can you imagine someone spending a few grand on AV and then being too cheap to buy a DVD?

      I predict this will do very little to solve the issue of piracy because too many people doing the pirating will be plenty happy with content that ignores these roadblocks altogether. The real losers will be people like me who'll be forced to re-buy ephemeral content that disapears with time.

      TW

    6. Re:digital to analog conversion by ThePhilips · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And true American parents will be able to protect their children from the filth of The Real World: for example all scenes of violence will be automatically replaced by big red [CENSORED] banner right in the kids' brains!

      Matrix! please have me!!!

      I think RIAA/MPAA must build another country: with 100% secure content distribution, with 100% managed internet, with total protection of all those precious intellectual propery rights. And distribute precious content of theirs only there. Then they could run commercials of this land trying to persuade people to move in: "Joe Six Pack(TM) moved to WonderLand(TM) and patented letter A(TM)(P) - and now(RM)(pat. pend.) he is billionaire(TM)(P)! Now he has enough money to buy s/h TV set!!! WonderLand - land of new opportunities(RM)(TM)(C)(P)!!!!! [This ad(TM)(C)(P) in part brought to you by Joe Six Pack Eterprises(TM)(pat. pend.), exclusive(TM)(pat. pend.) licensor(TM)(P)(pat. pend.) of latin(C)(P)(RM)(TM)(pat. pend.) alphabet(TM) in WonderLand(TM)(pat. pend.)(RM)(pat. pend.)(TM)(RM)(pat. pend.). Reg-No: 8000-235435248-2343234. DRM-Id: 4334242-234234-2342342. Watermark-Id: 4343423456524234. MD5: 2323234542342424234234234. CRC32: 12123432. By watching this ad you give up all your rights in favor of Joe Six Pack Enterprises of WonderLand. FBI Warning: For illegal use of the ad, you might be sentenced for up to 50 years of life in WonderLand.]"

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    7. Re:digital to analog conversion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which is exactly what RIAA/MPAA REALLY want.

    8. Re:digital to analog conversion by Sen.NullProcPntr · · Score: 2, Interesting
      For a few years, my daughter put a microphone in front of the radio to record the songs she liked.

      I used to do the same thing when I was a kid.
      For some people (probably very few) this is "good enough".

      I predict this will do very little to solve the issue of piracy because too many people doing the pirating will be plenty happy with content that ignores these roadblocks altogether.

      Yes, and this brings up the question; is every pirated copy a lost sale of a legit copy? The people behind this kind of legislation would have you believe so.

      The real losers will be people like me who'll be forced to re-buy ephemeral content that disapears with time.

      And the added cost of the "protected" equipment. This may only be a few more transistors on a chip or a whole black box at each electrical (A/V) port on your DVD player. Either way you will be charged for the extra complexity and its related lower MTBF.

    9. Re:digital to analog conversion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
      to the very best of my knowledge our eyes and ears are analog devices.
      My fingers are digital!
    10. Re:digital to analog conversion by Low+Key · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, that's fairly accurate... you just need to add some misspellings and replace a couple of words there with random words from a dictionary. Then you will have an English user's manual written by a Chinese engineer/salesman/whatever.

    11. Re:digital to analog conversion by famazza · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I foresee a frenzy of cheap Chinese-made DVD recorders where you can simply press "tray open" and "0" to switch off the DRM system. They made region coding look a bit of a lame duck, anyway.

      Despite of all these bouracratic devices that try to avoid unauthorized copy of copyrighted content and illegal importing (yes, it can be made) of cheap Chinese-made recorders, there is a much bigger problem when letting lobbyist (sorry for typo) to force the aprooval of laws like this.

      Fact! US is not a power exporter of eletronic consumer products. But, it still export some products. Try to imagine what will happens in countries like Brazil or India where DRM isn't part of its legislation.

      The answer is very simple. They won't import US-made eletronic devices that is DRM limited. In short term this may mean nothing. But in long term will mean the arise of Chinese, Indian and Brazilian eletronic brands.

      Letting this kind of thing happen is just killing US industry.

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    12. Re:digital to analog conversion by InfoVore · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The real losers will be people like me who'll be forced to re-buy ephemeral content that disapears with time.

      How odd. Their legislation will have no real effect on sales of pirated media, but will force most consumers to buy the same content over and over again.

      Its almost like they planned it this way...

      - I.V.

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    13. Re:digital to analog conversion by Znork · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually it's common enough to even have its own economic term; it's called rent-seeking, the concept of lobbying politicians or others to give you money without risking an investment or working for it, something a free market economy would otherwise require you to do.

      As the entire 'intellectual property' is based around laws circumventing competition, it's not surprising they're often involved in such behaviour.

    14. Re:digital to analog conversion by klui · · Score: 2, Funny

      We should have RIAA/MPAA executives and members of the U.S. government who advocate this brain implant, development, alpha, and beta test the product.

    15. Re:digital to analog conversion by Eccles · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Does anyone have an example of this sort of continually ongoing, pounding abuse of government to benefit so few?

      Agricultural subsidies.

      Oh, wait a moment, that's a different sort of continually ongoing, pounding abuse of government to benefit so few.

      Publicly funded stadiums. 6,000 earmarked projects in the highway bill.

      No, that's yet another sort of continually ongoing, pounding abuse of government to benefit so few.

      The prescription drug benefit, which prohibits Medicare from negotiating lower prescription drug prices.

      Nope, also a different sort.

      Digital Audio Tape and its SCMS. Ok, that's a lot closer.

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    16. Re:digital to analog conversion by lowrydr310 · · Score: 2, Funny
      There's a Taiwanese snack that I enjoy, and the only English on the package is a single sentence (?) that says "MTV Disco Fashion Cry Smile Happy Sad Good Bad"

      I have absolutely no idea what that has to do with vanilla wafer rolls.

    17. Re:digital to analog conversion by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Remember that home theatre is one of those shady zones where quality isn't always objective and everyone is out to charge you the most for it.

      Yes, and it's awesome that idiots actually pay $11,500 for this kind of shit.

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  3. Ha! by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 4, Funny

    They still can't prevent me from watching the film and telling people what happens...but I'm sure the MPAA is currently bribing a senator to sponsor the Psycho-Implant Motion Pictures Erased Digitally (PIMPED) bill.

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    1. Re:Ha! by po8 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Check out the SeatSale EULA for the preferred solution to the "telling people what happens" part.

  4. I predict... by Spad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I predict a sudden upsurge in the sales of old video hardware on ebay.

  5. And this stops who? by bigattichouse · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, given a pile of cash - how does this stop the Appropriately-Motivated-Bad-Guy(tm) from building his own damn equipment?

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    1. Re:And this stops who? by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It doesn't. It's to prevent John Q. Public from doing anything - they couldn't care less about the random EE inclined hacker who would could patch something together.

      They are our representatives, yet they don't represent us.

      It doesn't matter - I haven't watched Hollywood movies or TV in the last 6 months - and you know what? I found out I don't have a need for it either. Hollywood isn't going to get another dollar of my cash nor a minute of my attention anymore (TV). That's how I'm voting from now on.

      I'd rather have a good book or website or/and do something productive with my time than be a slave to the media industry anymore.

    2. Re:And this stops who? by kfg · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Hollywood isn't going to get another dollar of my cash nor a minute of my attention anymore (TV)."

      Which just "proves," statistically, that you must be pirating the steaming piles of shit.

      Obviously we need a Content Remembursment Appropriations Policy (CRAP) Act to make sure the content providers are suitably recompensed out of your tax dollars for all the shows you're stealing from them by not watching them.

      Of course not watching the ads in the content you aren't watching is going to be a criminal offense, you fucking thief you.

      KFG

    3. Re:And this stops who? by rabel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      China does a pretty good job of censoring the internet. Major telcos want to create their own internet and rights management will be one of the big "benefits" of this new infrastructure.

      You'll buy the first set of eBooks because they'll be so convienient and have so many great features. We'll all decry the closing of bookstores with lots of comments like, "Oh, I still read a hard-book every now and then, it's got more feeling that way. Too bad everyone else prefers eBooks." Then, once the eBooks are the majority, they'll jack up the DRM. Hell, these days, most people will buy the eBooks even if the DRM is restrictive.

      Let's see... then they'll pass legislation restricting the use of printing presses due to their analog nature and potential for rights abuse. Firemen will be dispached to finally burn all the leftover paper books because "all you need is your offically-licensed DRM eBook reader to enjoy all content." Most people will participate willingly, holding neighborhood book burning parties.

      It's so easy to forsee and the corporations are extremely patient. Sure, there will always be EE's and hackers out there who can get around the protections. The protections don't have to be perfect, just enough to stop most casual users, as this legislation will do. Eventually possession of unrestricted content will be a crime. Funny how any "subversive" books and information will be restricted content, but yet nobody will publish it legally. Insert your desired definition of subversive here. Today's version is Mao - which gets you a visit by Homeland Security.

      For the record, I stopped watching TV and most movies as well, but for more practical reasons, not as a protest of any sort.

    4. Re:And this stops who? by Jason+Hood · · Score: 2, Interesting


      They are our representatives, yet they don't represent us.


      BS - They do represent you, just like the represent record companies. The difference is the record companies utilize superior tactics persuading representatives to their point of view. And no, this isnt always in the form of bribes or benefits, there are good politicians on both sides of the isle that are simply misinformed. Record companies put out literature, hold roundtables and most importantly - "convince". Our voices get trampled because we simply do not speak their langauge. Simply throwing up your arms saying congress and hollywood sucks lets all join a pity party does absolutely nothing.

      Anyone on our side of the debate that raises their voice is usually a fanatic or at least considered one (FSF is a good example). If you we really want to change the future and secure what we consider our rights, you we have to form organizations that at least have the potential to gain respect in the house and senate. It is the _only_ way to get our voices heard. I am sorry, I like the FSF but they come off no better than southern baptists - "We are right because we know we are but we really can't prove it, just trust us". Believe it or not, not every OSS advocate is a GPL fan and they dont need to be. OSS and fair use are concepts that can exist in a capitalist society if we want them to.

      Prove the idea of fair use, let congressman see what a future would be like that is completely DRM centric and employ intelligent and professional lobbyists. Get the message heard, comprehended and acted on.

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    5. Re:And this stops who? by Reziac · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Funny you should mention Mao... I was just thinking how closely your scenario resembles China's Great Leap Backwards. :(

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    6. Re:And this stops who? by bitspotter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When you stop buying products to protest the beahviousr of the manufacturer, that's a a boycott.
      When you stop buying products because they suck, that's just market choice.

    7. Re:And this stops who? by Vicsun · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "It doesn't. It's to prevent John Q. Public from doing anything - they couldn't care less about the random EE inclined hacker who would could patch something together."
      Which is pretty fucking dumb considering one random EE inclined hacker is enough to leak their precious motion picture. I know it's been said before, but I'll reiterate: this will not even inconvenience me, the pirate, while it will surely hurt paying consumers.

      I'm glad I'm not a paying consumer; at least I don't feel bad about being treated as a criminal by default.

  6. Bad legislation by ReformedExCon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This isn't bad because it limits freedom or any such nonsense. That's a lot of hot air blown by zealots with lots more free time than brain cells.

    This is bad legislation because it attempts to force certain types of technology into existence. While a government program designed to discourage people from engaging in media piracy would be a good thing, mandating that all devices have this built in is simply a way to skirt the issue while appearing to be tackling the problem.

    Such a law does not stop what it is intended to stop. Pirates will still be able to break the encryption, replicate the media, and resell it on the open street in lands far away from where American law can reach. This law is useless anywhere other than America.

    What you get, instead of stopping piracy, is a mandated standard form of copy encryption and DRM that may or may not be adequate for everyone's needs. Instead of letting the market figure out what forms of DRM will be used, the government decides that it's items A, B, and C that need to be addressed. Nevermind that in the future item B may no longer be useful and item D is not provided for at all.

    It's unfortunate that the respectable John Conyers (D) is drafting this bill. I would have expected more from the gentleman.

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  7. Analog Pirates are so yesterday... by digitaldc · · Score: 4, Funny

    They just couldn't keep up and I am sure now they will stop pirating since this law was introduced.
    Pirates always follow the law.

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  8. Not flamebait by squarooticus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just a definition, from the American Heritage Dictionary:

    Fascism is a system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.

    For all you Bush-haters, this is not a rant about Bush, because he has zero power to pass laws. This is about members of both major parties in Congress, who regularly put aside their differences to expand the state-granted power of privileged businesses at the direct expense of our rights. This is fascism, by definition, yet we keep saying, "Thank you sir; may I have another?"

    The problem is that politicians need pander to voters only on two or three issues, and then are free to do whatever is most profitable to them on all other issues. You might even be able to make the argument that the "major" issues we hear Congress critters rant about (the war, social security, the war, taxes, the war) are simply a smokescreen for the corruption, because it keeps our rights off most peoples' radars.

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    1. Re:Not flamebait by CodeShark · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Hear hear!!

      Trouble is, something akin to fascism is what many large corporations seem to be after, with the dictatorship run by "profit-only" boards of directors. Seems to me they forget the trouble that caused the last time the power of the corporation became to great. Namely well empowered trade unions, cross-corporate product boycotting, not to mention the eventually passage of a whole lot of legislation which limited the malignant powers of the corporation and opened up many many avenues of legal retribution to the workers and consumers. If this is what they want, this is what they will get.

      Trouble is, we workers and consumers will have to suffer a great deal of hardship in the mean time unless the corruption is stopped very soon indeed.

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    2. Re:Not flamebait by overlord2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While I agree with the original thinking behind parent, I don't completely agree with the "only on two or three issues" sentiment. A political science major by training (IT pro by profession), one of the things that I learned while in school is the one thing that our representatives fear most: not being re-elected. As some have put it, new donors can be found, new voters or Congressional seats cannot be if they don't get reelected.

      The problem here isn't entirely the representatives; in fact, I would argue that the vast majority of the problem is with the voters. The only way pandering to "two or three issues" works is if those are the ONLY issues to which the voters are paying attention. Remember, we have a republican style of government, we are the boss -- BUT we have to bloody well pay attention!!!

      What this means: if you don't like this bill, call/email/fax/snail mail your employees (representatives) and make it very clear you don't like the idea. Or, if you'd rather -- just donate to the EFF and use their pre-filled form when action is required. Believe me, if enough of their electorate do this, there won't be enough money on the planet to get them to pass the bill. Votes > $$$$.

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    3. Re:Not flamebait by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      From spying on American citizens, to government-mandated DRM, to the removals of our fundamental rights to free speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, and the right to bear arms, the government has taken away more and more of our rights each year.

      And we bend over and grease up year after year because they tell us that it's for the good of the children, for our own safety, or for the stability of our economy.

      The fact is, as long as we allow these fascists to rule our government by NOT voting them out of power, it is not as simple as the take over of the fascist state -- it is we who are the fascists, even though most of us don't even know it.

      It's time to become aware of what's going on around us and STOP it. It's time to start voting for candidates who support freedom as opposed to special interests. Forget about such minor issues as social security and taxes and start focusing on the core reasons that made this country the great nation it once was -- liberty and freedom for all of her citizens.

      Okay, okay, I'm getting off of my soap box now... ;)

    4. Re:Not flamebait by hey! · · Score: 5, Interesting

      For all you Bush-haters, this is not a rant about Bush, because he has zero power to pass laws.

      Technically speaking, sure, except you can't ignore the way everybody parrots exactly the same talking points with almost verbatim the same words.

      The basic political/media strategy of the Republican party is to win the debate by defining the terms used in the debate. This requires a great deal of cooperation and coordination between leading party members and their media flunkies. The aparachniks must be coordinate from somewhere. Currently this is the White House.

      The more abstract an issue is to people the better this works. Gay Marriage, DRM, these things don't really mean anything concrete in most people's daily lives. In any debate where you have to start by educating the public, a coordinated media effort beats accuracy. Issues with real and concrete impact on people's lives, such as gas prices, can't be controlled this way.

      I think unless it is largely wrapped up within the next year, the war will be the issue that will break the back of this strategy. Before a war starts, it is an abstraction. Afterwards, it becomes undeniably concrete to more and more people. As an American, I think we should get out of there quickly. However if we don't, although our national interests will suffer greatly, and many indiviiduals and families will suffer unspeakably, it will be a blow against American fascism.

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    5. Re:Not flamebait by Mike+Markley · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Back whoever refuses business big buck campaigns, freedom of rights, the rights of expression and the rights of consumers (equal, not to the point of piracy).


      Your suggestion assumes that every election actually features a candidate matching that description...

      Reminds me of something I heard tonight on 60 Minutes about Bill Proxmire. Evidently he had a policy of never accepting a campaign contribution. Further, he was said to have never spent more than $200 on a campaign, and most of that was said to have been spent on the stamps used to return campaign contributions. I'm couching it in such careful terms because I haven't verified any of that report myself, but that caution itself sort of points to the problem today -- I have a hard time believing such a thing is even possible.

      Imagine, a time when senators thought they were in Washington do do the will of the people. We've managed to evolve a political system where people who don't accept campaign contributions don't have the slighest chance of making it to Washington. Unless, of course, they're already independently wealthy, but I think history has shown us that those people tend not to be entirely in touch with the average person.

      Half-assed populism still wins, and will continue to do so until a viable alternative can be created.
    6. Re:Not flamebait by finkployd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "For all you Bush-haters, this is not a rant about Bush, because he has zero power to pass laws. "

      Sure he does, they are called executive orders.

      He also seems to believe he unilaterally passed a law making it legal for the NSA to spy on citizens without a warrant.

      Finkployd

    7. Re:Not flamebait by Bobb+Sledd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Whatever you think. You're right, but the problem is there is just too much (for me) to keep up with.

      I just choose to ignore these new laws. Me and a few million people. If they want to arrest us, they'll have to either arrest all of us or do it lottery-style. Won't matter, I'm not afraid either way.

      Fact is, if they wanted to throw you in jail, there is likely already SOME law that you have broken. Or are a suspect of breaking.

      So, I don't care that my rights are trampled, because I refuse to acknowledge that they have been.

      I suppose it makes me an outlaw, but only by their definition - not mine.

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    8. Re:Not flamebait by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Thank you oh First Republican President. Yeah, the bastard who voided the Constitution and create Executive Orders from whole cloth.

    9. Re:Not flamebait by Reziac · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately... while 50 million people shooting up an oppressive gov't is a "revolution", one out of 250 million doing so is a "terrorist" and as the occasional high-level assassination has demonstrated, is far more likely to result in increased oppression rather than the reverse.

      I wonder if anyone has ever charted out the incidence of revolution, vs. the average person's income and value of possessions? I suspect the relationship is fairly close, and that once a threshold of fewer than 50% at the poverty line is passed, revolution simply does not occur, as there is no longer a sufficient mass of seriously dissatisfied or disenfranchised people.

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  10. So does that mean... by Xserv · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... Does that mean that if you have a piece of hardware that was created before the new legislation you don't have anything to worry about?

    Xserv

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    1. Re:So does that mean... by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yep. Stock up on those "All-In-Wonder" capture cards, and plan on keeping an old Win2K/Linux box around for the next, oh, rest of your life...

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  11. The Real Pirates Win Again! by blueZhift · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yet another piece of legislation that will do nothing to stop the real pirates! Indeed, as *AA imposes more and more restrictions, inconveniences, and expense upon consumers, they will make the cheaper and relatively hassle free offerings of pirates even more compelling. It's been argued before, but it seems all too clear that the most effective way to combat piracy is to offer a better product at a reasonable price. But I guess some people just have to learn the hard way.

  12. Off target again by digidave · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This will stop people who actually want their fair use rights from making their own copies, but will do nothing to stop the people selling pirate copies on the street or the release groups putting the content on the net. I doubt there will be even a single day where releases are stopped because of this.

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  13. I, Karma Whore by rolfwind · · Score: 5, Informative
    The Digital Transition Content Security Act of 2005 (PDF) is sponsored by Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI) and Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) (PDF) and would close that pesky analog hole that poses such a dire threat to the survival of the music and movie industries. The bill was originally planned for introduction in early November, but was tabled after hearings held by the House Subcomittee on Courts, the Internet, and Intellectual Property.


    Remember, Wisconsin and Michigan residents, these are your representatives. Unless you support the massive "content creation" in your area, you might want to drop these assholes a note:

    http://www.house.gov/sensenbrenner/

    http://www.house.gov/conyers/

    Oh, and this is how they think on the subject:

    According to Reps. Sensenbrenner and Conyers, the legislation is absolutely necessary because of the dire threat PCs and the Internet pose to the content-creation industry's very livelihood. Apparently, it's not nimble enough to keep up with advances in technology.


    Tell them why they are wrong.
  14. "Consumer Electronics" by putko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So it applies to consumer electronics.

    Not kits? How about components? Hardware hackers will be making money on the side selling stuff. Or maybe the Chinese will just make it and sell it.

    Also, I remember how easy it was to mod a scanner in '93 to make it pick up cellphone signals -- just remove a single SMT resistor. This was the work of minutes. And voila -- full band reception.

    So easily modded consumer goods (whatever that is) will be banned too.

    This looks to be tough to enforce.

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    1. Re:"Consumer Electronics" by General+Melchett · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The chinese can make and sell it all they want, but fta this law makes it illegal to import or traffic any device that doesnt comply.

      All i can say is, im glad i dont live in america. Seriously, something's gotta be done about your country....

    2. Re:"Consumer Electronics" by nolife · · Score: 5, Informative

      Also, I remember how easy it was to mod a scanner in '93 to make it pick up cellphone signals -- just remove a single SMT resistor. This was the work of minutes. And voila -- full band reception.

      So easily modded consumer goods (whatever that is) will be banned too.


      To add to your comment..
      That is exactly what they did with scanners. They went back and edited the law to include that the scanner must not be able to be easily modified. Here is a paste from a scanner faq:

      In its simplest form, US Federal laws (Communications Act of 1934, Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986, Telecommunications Disclosure & Dispute Resolution Act of 1992, Digital Telephony Bill of 1994) make it illegal to :

      1. Repeat what you hear to anyone but the transmitter or intended receiver of the transmission
      2. Use what you hear to aid in the commission of a crime (e.g. evading police)
      3. Use what you hear for personal gain (e.g. tow trucks listening for accidents to show up opportunistically at the scene)
      4. Listen to transmissions relating to the following services :
      * cellular phones
      * cordless phones
      * public land mobile systems
      * voice paging services
      * satellite/microwave/studio-to-transmitter links
      * broadcast point-to-point relays.
      5. Import a receiver which is capable of tuning cellular telephone frequencies
      6. Import frequency converters which can be used to circumvent the blockage of cellular telephone frequency bands


      Then took it a few steps further in 1997 and released directive DA 97-334 to make the modification you described above illegal:

      Scanning receivers are required by Section 15.101(a) of the FCC Rules to be certificated by the Commission. Section 15.121 states that scanning receivers, and frequency converters designed or marketed for use with scanning receivers, must be incapable of operating (tuning), or readily being altered by the user to operate, within the frequency bands allocated to the Domestic Public Cellular Radio Telecommunications Service. Scanners that are capable of "readily being altered by the user" include, but are not limited to: those for which the ability to receive cellular telephone frequencies can be added by clipping the leads of, or installing, a simple component, such as a diode, resistor and/or jumper wire; replacing a plug-in semiconductor chip; or programming a semiconductor chip using special access codes or an external device. Scanners and frequency converters for use with scanners, must also be incapable of converting digital cellular frequencies to analog voice audio. Under Section 15.37(f), the manufacture or importation of scanning receivers, and frequency converters used with scanning receivers, that do not comply with Section 15.121 shall cease on or before April 26, 1994.


      I have been loosely following the changes over the years and have always been a scanner person. What stands out with these modifications to the communications act to prevent cellular listening is the speed the FCC acted and continued to act and modify the laws as people found ways around the initial wording. I never really fully understood the motivations. I assume it was the cellular providers trying to provide consumers a false sense of security in combination with not having to admit they went cheap and used plain old non encypted analog commun

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  15. The best copy protection is semantic by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Keep on making shitty movies and music that suck ass, and you'll kill all motivation to illegally copy them. This is the real solution, and the MP/RI-AA is a lot closer to it than they realize.

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  16. Re:The truly sad part... by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Far too few people will ever even hear about this because they're being constantly flooded with news about the war(s), upcoming elections, etc.

    What? Most people never even get around to watching this kind of programming. They're too busy watching some guy getting arrested for a shooting or a robbery... on the national news station.

    The kind of programming you're talking about is becoming increasingly rare, and if this legislation and more like it gets passed, then it looks like you won't be able to record this stuff and watch it later. Ignorence is .... bliss?

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  17. how the trend line is going . . . by Alien54 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Just wait.

    Someone will try to apply this to the internet to regulate what you read.

    the ascreen you read is an analog hole for information, y'know.

    I am trying to be sarcastic, but I can see how the trend line is going.

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    "It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
  18. I for one *AM* worried... by scsirob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not so much because these systems can be broken, but because it's yet another way to criminalise what you have the right for to do today. This combined with illegal evesdropping, data retention laws and other BS makes for the perfect toolset to turn each and every one of us into criminals.

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  19. Re:Why are people worried? by MoonBuggy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From my point of view it is the principal that is the problem, not the implementation. Yes, the technical restrictions will be broken, but the fact that large corportations are able to purchase legislation that goes against what the (previously) law abiding public want as well as those who choose to break existing laws is extremely worrying. Copyright infringement is illegal, why introduce the DMCA's non-circumvention clause? If you're circumventing DRM in order to infringe copyright, there's a law to stop you already. If you're circumventing DRM for 'fair use' reasons then the law should be on your side. Same goes for the blank media tax that several countries now have - assume you're a criminal, charge you the money for a crime you may or may not commit. Hell, even the length of copyright is only appropriate to big business - most other professions don't continue paying for almost a century after your death, yet copyrights last that long even against the wishes of the original content creators (Happy Birthday, for a start).

  20. Terminology descriptions by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Terminology descriptions for those that do not know or do not speak English natively:

    legislation - conversation amongst lawmakers and people in power to perpetuate their power through making new laws (see circular reasoning)"Analog Hole" - Hole does not have particularly positive connotation,but the denotation is pretty benign. It just means a void, butsometimes a void is not good such as a hole in an argument (unlike circular reasoning). Analog means parallel or "old school" electronicsspeak where the signals are much more like the real world, especially interms of audio and video signals, but digital signals that are quantizedor algorithmically fuzzed encoded of analog signals is currentlyprefered because it is easier to manipulate with digital electronics andit has little to no signal loss when being transferred from one device to another. "Analog Hole" is a term used to increase the validity of end users' ability to copy material that is much easier to copy digitally except the people that "own" the data don't like people to copy it because it threatens their business model of profit of content distribution even though people are more than willing to distribute content for free or at a much lower price than the people that do it
    now. This is a very similar job of those that do legislation.

    "last-ditch pirating mechanism" - another term to increase the validity of end users' skill and ability to copy content without the permission
    of the people that try to make a profit off of content distribution.
    Pirate used to be associated with people that used to rob ships at sea.
    For some reason, this is not much of an occupation despite the lack of
    physical or legal protection of goods on ships. Pirates today are more
    known for distributing digital content without the consent of those
    that try to profit from distributing digital content. "last-ditch" is a
    strange term meaning a desperate attempt to do something that has not
    been successfully done through more conventional means (see last-resort)

    DRM - aka Digital Rights Management. A funny term to describe a way
    for those who try to make a profit from distributing digital content by
    making it more difficult to distribute digital content (see eliptical
    reasoning)

    I hope this clears things up, and that it gets seen as a post on
    slashdot.org because it is something that actually took time and effort
    to think about so it will be placed lower in the ordered list of
    quicker, less thought out posts of others.

    It must be Tuesday, I could never get the hang of Tuesdays.

    Don't ask why the formatting is weird.

  21. let them do it! by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Lettem do it. It's totally pointless as:
    • There are several hundred million A/D converters already in use that ignore the VEIL info.That should be plenty enough input devices for anyone who really wants to copy audio or video.
    • Macrovision can be defeated by two resistors and a diode. With VEIL it may take one more 5 cent capacitor. Really.
    • One can always go and buy a generic A/D flash converter chip for around $8. It's unlikely they can control all the A/D chip manufacturers worldwide.
  22. Three things about this. by vettemph · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The current laws don't seem to be stoping the traders. New laws from a slightly different angle will not help.

      The analog hole will always exist as long as 'we' amature musicians can buy microphones and 'us' engineers can buy or design data aquisition hardware (MP3's are just data points). Can't wait to make my PIC based Analog to digital converter/recorder.

      People who have more freedom than US citizens will not be affected.

    No, I did not RTFA. Maybe I'll go back and do it now.

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    The government which is strong enough to protect you from everything is strong enough to take everything from you.
  23. Veil? by archeopterix · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Video Encoded Invisible Light (VEIL)"?

    "Encoded Video Invisible Light"?(EVIL)

    "Video Invisible Light Encoded"?(VILE)

  24. Maybe Some Funny Acronyms Then? by chub_mackerel · · Score: 3, Funny

    Doing This Can't Stop Anything

    Distrustful Thieving Corporations' Self-Annihilation

    Doesn't The Congress Seem Absurd

  25. It's Not For The Big Guys by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Such a law does not stop what it is intended to stop. Pirates will still be able to break the encryption, replicate the media, and resell it on the open street in lands far away from where American law can reach. This law is useless anywhere other than America.

    This law is in no way designed to go after the big guys. It's all about the small fish and keeping them in check.

    Essentially the TV and Movie industry is terriffied that what happened to the music industry will happen to them. I.e., people will stop viewing entertainment as a commodity. Or at the very least, people will realise that the prices they pay for it are unreasonable.

    How does this law try to change that? Essentially it makes it more difficult for Joe Consumer to view his music, movies, films, tv shows, etc as something he can do what he likes with, .i.e. share. These restrictions, along with big warnings along the lines of "You cannot record this program", "you do not have permission...." "It is an offense..." etc, etc, all reinforce the idea in his head that a video or sound recording is not his/hers. It is still someone elses, despite copyright law and any monies he/she may have paid for the product.

    The movie industry is afraid of what's already happened. New technologies have made people realise that information is cheap, and even cheaper to duplicate. There is no justification for charging $20 per gigabyte when I can upload terrabytes for less than a dollar. And people have realised this. Even Joe sixpack cops it after a few days in front of his computer.

    But, if you can legislate, you can slow this tide and perhaps even reverse it. It is possible. Rhetoric won't make people revolt. An example of this system failing, but having lasting effects, is alcohol prohibition in the 30's. An example of this system working well( for its proponents) is the illegalisation of marijuana.

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    1. Re:It's Not For The Big Guys by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This law is in no way designed to go after the big guys. It's all about the small fish and keeping them in check.

      This is not designed to stop pirating at all. Small scale pirating does not lose the media companies a significant amount and even a medium sized operation can manage to find old hardware or foreign hardware without these restrictions. The purpose of this legislation is to ensure that the next media format and hardware has no way to import your current media, thus forcing you to buy yet another copy of the music, book, or song you already own. That is big money and that is diametrically opposed to the interests of these politicians supposed constituents. That is also why this crap is always presented as a piracy issue, rather than what it really is. Please stop believing their lies.

  26. Audio Copy Protection by Zarkonnen · · Score: 5, Funny

    The only real solution: copy-protect the actual audio output from the speakers, say by adding a high-energy ultrasonic screech which instantly obliterates all recording devices within hearing range.

    1. Re:Audio Copy Protection by lisany · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The only real solution is to overthrow the capitalist giants whose sole purpose is to exploit "consumers" to make money.

      But at the moment I'll settle for no DRM.

    2. Re:Audio Copy Protection by cdrudge · · Score: 5, Funny

      I see you have the latest Ashley Simpson albumn too.

    3. Re:Audio Copy Protection by Minwee · · Score: 3, Funny
      Why go half way, when desktop usability gurus have a more thorough solution?

      "Whenever a programmer thinks, 'Hey, skins, what a cool idea', their computer's speakers should create some sort of cock-shaped soundwave and plunge it repeatedly through their skulls."

      Look for legislated audio-cock-waves to be plugging your analog hole by this time next year.

    4. Re:Audio Copy Protection by Pieroxy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know, maybe it's the other way around. When everything will be locked in and properly shut down, people will look with wonders at how I downloaded Harvey Danger's latest CD right off of the net and uploaded it on my MP3 player.

      Then they'll realise there is an alternative to music produced by the Majors and maybe they will start listening to independent music. Just because that's the only music they can listen to on all their devices...

      But that's a heck of a lot of maybes...

    5. Re:Audio Copy Protection by ajwitte · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But if you don't buy the **AA's products, the **AA will claim that they are losing money due to "piracy". They will get a law passed that requires you to buy their products. Then, if you don't buy **AA products, you will be thrown in jail.

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    6. Re:Audio Copy Protection by aevan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Implant DRM filters in the inner ear of every child at birth. If sound is detected the user does not own the rights too, the filter will block the audio from reaching the brain, preventing the user from enjoying the fruits of his/her piracy.

      Any medical doctor caught removing or offering to remove said filters will have their medical license revoked and face a huge fine and/or imprisonment.

      Should also develope a video DRM filter for implant along the optical nerve. Will solve all the piracy problems.

      Hey, it may sound overboard, but if the creative geniuses hadn't slaved over making it, or without the hard working efforts of the ??IAA to deliver it to you, you couldn't enjoy it in the first place. This isn't an invasion of privacy, merely a step to protect the rights and to reward the efforts of those who own that creative work. Don't blame them for protecting themselves, blame humanity for its greed. You brought this on yourselves!!

      * * * * *

      My sympathy to the parents of anyone who thought the above was in any way serious :P

    7. Re:Audio Copy Protection by indifferent+children · · Score: 2, Funny
      Should also develope a video DRM filter for implant along the optical nerve. Will solve all the piracy problems.

      Pssst, if you take a Sharpie and drawn a circle around the edge of your pupil, the DRM doesn't work.

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      Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. --Mark Twain
    8. Re:Audio Copy Protection by DroppedPacket · · Score: 2, Funny
      "by adding a high-energy ultrasonic screech which instantly obliterates all recording devices within hearing range"

      That's already been done. It's called Yoko Ono,

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    9. Re:Audio Copy Protection by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or create speakers with no output of any kind. Muters, you could call them.

  27. Fucking ridiculous. by Caspian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This won't stop the professional pirates, who have ALWAYS been able to break any sort of crypto and produce clean DIGITAL copies, and who will ALWAYS be able to do so.

    It won't stop the kiddiez from pirating stuff onto Kazaa or through BitTorrent. Maybe at first they'll have to produce the files through literally aiming a video camera at their monitor and using a stereo microphone for sound... but I seriously doubt it.

    This bill won't do a goddamned thing. It's a waste of our lawmakers' time and energy.

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  28. And when this fails by GnarlyNome · · Score: 2, Funny

    They will pass a law making it illegal to even watch or listen to it
    [That should solve the problem]

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  29. Re:Already being worked on. by bri2000 · · Score: 2

    As reported by The Onion... http://www.theonion.com/content/node/43029

  30. Flags to warn the horsies by Media+Withdrawal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    According to Reps. Sensenbrenner and Conyers, the legislation is absolutely necessary because of the dire threat PCs and the Internet pose to the content-creation industry's very livelihood. Apparently, it's not nimble enough to keep up with advances in technology.

    Who cares whether an obsolete industrial business model can keep up? When cars came along, laws occasionally were enacted requiring a flag person to walk in front of them so as not to scare horses. Didn't last long. Now film and plastic are fighting for their lives. Their best "argument" from the customer's perspective is that everything will look amateurish if we put big content out of business. Please. Like Participant Productions is amateurish. Even amateurish-looking Blair Witch proved the value of story and cultural savvy. As Steve Jobs' old dream of everyone being able to make a film or music album and share it instantly with the world is realized, there will be way more great stories, song and art out there than there are today. Filtering mechanisms (review blogs and the like) are already getting great exposure for the good stuff. I even made a decent living for five years creating and selling non-copy-protected original art directly to fans online. People are making money, some of them quite a lot of money. Especially the "content industry," but they're afraid their long run of protected profit is over. So they try to keep the rest of us down, and end up looking more backward than those who wanted flags to warn the horsies.

  31. Re:this is the death knell of neoliberalism by Predius · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Psst, people can put and get video and other media online, RIGHT NOW! Why wait for the current media giants to take over the new venue by hook, crook, and legislation?

  32. Let them plug away by Billosaur · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So the analog-to-digital channel is denied -- big deal! How many times have I passed vendors in the NYC subway hawking copies of movies that have just been released in theatres in cheesy cases with obviously color-copied covers? As long as you can afford a digitial video camcorder, DVDs, and a burner, you can copy movies or TV or whatever. Who needs analog?

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  33. HE'S THE ONE! by Trip+Ericson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Last time this bill came up I said this, and I'll say it again.

    I don't think the industry or anyone expects it to pass. I think they expect it to fail, and then they'll get a lesser, though still not acceptable, bill passed that does what the industry really wants.

    Because let's be honest, all you're going to do with this bill is piss people off. You want to get people up in arms? Get between them and their TV. See how long you live.

    Why do you think the digital TV transition, which was supposed to occur in just over a year, has now been pushed to 2009? The people in Washington don't want people to be able to point to them and say "THEY KILLED TV!"

  34. Re:Why are people worried? by Zanthor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course they want to keep the piracy at bay, however this doesn't hurt the pirates... they have the ability to crack, hack, and bypass to achieve their means. This simply hurts the fair use by non-techno-geeks.

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  35. but...? by el_womble · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can't consumers make analogue to digital transfers pretty easily?

    Complicated, silicon solutions aside, my father-in-law, who doesn't know how to send email, figured out how to digitize his old 8mm films on his own - point a digicam at the screen.

    Last time I checked, I didn't have an organic usb port in the back of my head, so at some point the digital signals have to be converted to light and sound, and neither of them can be DRMd without making the whole system useless, because unless they are going to make home studios and digital cameras illegal they can't stop us from recording it.

    When will they learn that DRM is a deterant not a solution? Not least of all, its an incentive to others, who break it 'because they can'.

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  36. The sponsors of this legislation by RedneckJack · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I see the major sponsor is once again, Rep. Francis James Sensenbrenner, Jr. What is with people in Wisconsin that vote for this authoritarian leaning man ?

    He is also pushing legislation again, the third time to force states to sign this Driver License Agreement through HR4437 which requires states to interlink motor vehicle databases not only within the US but with Canada & Mexico.

    This arrogant man needs to be fired from his job !

  37. Customers? by PacketScan · · Score: 2, Funny

    We don't have any customers.
    We have Theives that we treat like shit, While That pour money into our pockets.

  38. The Power Of Technology by Stan+Vassilev · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We shouldn't be surprised at the way things are heading. In the analog days, natural limits were imposed on both corporations and customers, which now thanks for technology advancements are gone (i.e. perfect digital copy).

    Digital Technology is just a world without set rules waiting for someone to set them. Corporations can program their way to dictatorship, but we can also program our way to freedom.

    At the end, I think people will win since they are too many enthusiasts which will be willing to provide DRM free content as an opposition to the entertainment industry. In a global world, not only bad news come fast.

  39. Re:Why are people worried? by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You do forget the socio-economic backgroud of all of this insanity: the charlatans and voodoo-economists who are running the show are insisting that the US will "transition" into "idea economy" where everybody is either an inventor, musician, programmer, CEO or a waitress or a buger-flipper. No manufacturing of any kind (unless you count the burgers -- which is already being tried). All manufacturing is to be done in "developing" countries like China and the USians are to "manage" and "own intellectual property" which enslaves those dim-witted orientals to their oooh-so "enlightened" US masters into paying a tithe on everything they make.

    To say that I am predicting a societal and economic collapse of this scheme would be an understatement. But in the meantime crooks and thieves will bamboozle or bribe politicians to pass laws to "aid" this "transition", while stealing everything which is not nailed down in sight. The corporate thieves of course fully realizing the futility of this and only hoping that they can get rich syphoning off the vast river of wealth they have created flowing from the US to China (and then probably hoping to profit on the inevietable backlash, economic downturn and eventual re-alignment of economic forces)

  40. This should ruin export sales by mikehunt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If this gets passed, nobody outside the USA will want to buy American made hardware.

    In terms of TVs and other consumer hardware, this might not hurt too much - it's all made by the Japanese and Koreans anyway. However, if this nonsense gets integrated into computer hardware, it would spell the end of any export sales for such equipment.

    And as other posters have commented - it won't stop the dedicated.

  41. Re:Why are people worried? by John+Courtland · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A story, care of a very smart machinist: At my grandmother's funeral earlier this year in November, I had the opportunity to meet one of my father's schoolmates who stayed in his hometown. He's 60 now, and to me, he seemed plenty sharp. He was talking to my dad and another one of my dad's friends about the machining trade, and how they're having problems getting help, because American kids aren't getting into machining. The conversation shifted to the foundries he gets his castings from. He explained that when he started getting castings from Chinese foundries a few decades ago, they sucked. Shitty casts, weak alloys, etc. But sure enough, their quality eventually equalled home grown American casts for a fraction of the cost. Guess who went out of work? Same went for his machinist tools. They went from bring short lived, cast pieces of shit to forged, superior tools.

    The moral or the story? The Chinese aren't stupid, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a goddamn fool to believe they will not surpass us if we continue down the road where no one can earn a living unless their job is management of some kind. Exporting all labor will turn us back into a country of farmers, once places such as India and China figure out they no longer need us to do their own thing. I almost don't want to have children simply because if I can't escape the United States, I wouldn't want to raise a child into the situation that we both know is about to happen.

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  42. Boucher is On the Judiciary Committee by Bob(TM) · · Score: 2, Informative

    Fortunately, Rep. Boucher of VA is on the committee (Committee Members). Of the current members of the House, he has demonstrated that he "gets" it WRT fair use and DRM.

    At least, there's a voice.

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  43. I have no problem with this by swillden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... as long as one proviso is added. In addition to requiring all consumer devices to honor the copyright protection system, the law must also require all consumer devices to honor all of the exceptions codified in current copyright law. In particular, devices need to detect and permit Fair Use as well as reproduction of content whose term of copyright protection has expired. The things that copyright law allows are just as important as the things it restricts, so if you're going to require device manufacturers to build devices that enforce the law, they need to enforce *all* of the law, not just most of it.

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    1. Re:I have no problem with this by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agreed. If my hardware wants to enforce the law (and I'd like to point out that car governors don't limit cars to the speed limit almost anywhere), then it better enforce it accurately.

      More importantly, there should be provision for rights requests to be honored remotely. That is to say, if I actually do call up Disney and get rights to make a copy of a movie that will be on TV tonight, how are they going to be able to "allow" me to do so?

      Sophisticated keying systems with authority placed in neutral bodies would be necessary before any such 'law enforcement' electronics should become legal.

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    2. Re:I have no problem with this by swillden · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Can you suggest a way to "detect and allow Fair Use" while still protecting against unauthorized copies?

      As a matter of fact, no. Actually, I think it's impossible, because intent is central to determination of Fair Use, and the machine can't read the user's mind. That's not the issue, though. A law that prohibits broad classes of activities, many of which are legal and valuable, in order to attempt to stop those that are illegal, is a bad law. For example, suppose we introduce a new bill to fight child porn. This bill requires all ISPs to install filtering software that prevents the display of any web page that contains images of nude people, as detected by an algorithm looking for flesh tones. It would do the job, mostly (there are obvious workarounds for more technically-minded child pornographers), but it would also prevent the display of adult porn, not to mention lots of other photos of people and even images that don't contain people at all.

      Is that a good idea?

      If you're going to make a technical proposal, you should at least be able to outline the means by which it can be implemented.

      I'm not the one proposing that media players enforce copyright law. The media companies are the ones pushing that. I'm just saying that if they enforce the part of the law that favors content owners, they also need to enforce the part of the law that favors the public. Particularly since benefitting the public is, theoretically, the reason we have copyright law.

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  44. The new Vernor Vinge book... by nojayuk · · Score: 3, Interesting
    ...called "Rainbows End" due out next August is set about thirty years in the future. It mentions in passing that for Homeland Security and DRM reasons a flip-flop circuit now consists of several thousand transistors. There are moonshine fabs in Bolivia and in the hills of Akansas producing silicon for hackers who want to circumvent the restrictions but possession of such devices is a Federal rap and illegal fabs are destroyed by the US military operating with international support.

    Anyone who seriously wants to record HDTV and has a modicum of technical knowledge can bypass all this cruft. Fast A/D converters on the RGB drivers and scan circuitry of an HDTV set plus some code to convert the raw voltages back into pixel data would do it. The same thing in the digital domain would work for LCD drive signals. VEIL, HDMI and other encryption systems will do bupkis to prevent recording at this level because it's directly at the point of display and that HAS to be unencrypted for himan beings to make sense of the visual and auditory data.

  45. What amercian hardware? by jonr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm really curious, what hardware is made in america these days?

  46. Re:this is the death knell of neoliberalism by ami-in-hamburg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    OoooooKay Francis, go iron your Che Guevara t-shirt and relax.

    This is nothing more than a move by the **AA to cling to an outdated business model at our expense. By "our" I mean consumers.

    BTW, the taxation levels in Europe don't seem to be much higher than the US. I moved to Hamburg Germany just over a year ago and pay about the same taxes, (about 2% more), but a small fraction of the Health Insurance costs compared to the US. The care seems better and definitely more available here. At least in my experience with my doctor so far.

    Also, the ability to pay for socialized medicine has little to do with taxes or affording a military. It has everything to do with government regulated Insurance and Drug Industries. Insurance companies make money in Germany too but not the Trillions that the US companies earn each year.

    It basically comes down to greed and selfishness. Since I'm American I can say this. Your typical American doesn't give a shit about anything that doesn't effect their life directly.

    Since my wife is German and I live here, I can say this. Europeans seem to generally have a greater sense of community are concerned about caring for everyone whether it effects them directly or not.

    I also believe that's why the Feds can get things passed into law like the DMCA, outrageous copyright law, and completey inadequate patent law. Your average American doesn't copy DVDs or the latest episode of Desperate Housewives. Therefore, they probably couldn't care less about DRM law.

  47. Re:Where can I buy VEIL clothing? by Myself · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been suggesting this ever since learning about the encoded patterns that make dollar bills uncopyable.

    I haven't had time to play with it yet, but I'd laugh pretty hard if people couldn't print hardcopy pictures of me wearing a certain shirt. (Oh man, my next drivers' license photo would be a fiasco. "I don't know *why* the printer spits out a purple page!")

  48. Priorities? by Guppy06 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "US House Judiciary Committee"

    OK, so the people that could and should be pursuing articles of impeachment against President Bush for his illegal domestic wiretaps are instead spending their time whoring themselves out to the MPAA?

    Maybe they should look into enforcing existing laws every once in a while instead of writing new and needless laws.

  49. Re:Take a few min and write your Rep.. Part 2 by splatter · · Score: 5, Informative
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    "(I) have this unfortunate condition that causes me not to believe a single thing any politician says when a mic's on.
  50. A Filmmaker's Perspective by robyannetta · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Let's look at this from a filmmaker's perspective.

    I create a movie. I licence it under Creative Commons licensing. I want it to be free to the public.

    Since the "analog hole" will now be closed, does this also mean that whatever I release be DRMed in some way to prevent analog copying?

    I'm releasing my work that I own the copyright to in analog and digital form specifically to be copied, downloaded, recorded and shared. Does this make me, the copyright holder a criminal?

    How long will it be before the creation of [enter type of digital content here] be specifically licenced?

    - something to think about.

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    - Just my $0.02, take with a grain of salt, your mileage may vary.
    1. Re:A Filmmaker's Perspective by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you are a filmmaker in the established industry, you'll be able to afford the pricetag for the professional equipment that ignores and/or omits the copy protection on your work product, optionally adding it in only for the final print.

      If you're a small, independent filmmaker using only consumer-priced equipment, all your equipment will include copy protection on everything, so each print you make will have to be a single continuous take since it will prevent you from making any copies or entering it into a consumer-level editing system.

      And thus Hollywood is protected against independent filmmakers able to make good movies on the cheap entering their market.

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      Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
    2. Re:A Filmmaker's Perspective by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The properly manufactured devices only recognize the flag when it is there; home produced recordings won't contain it.

      Why not? It will be for your own protection so that others won't be able to copy your original works, giving you the same protection as enjoyed by the industry.

      Except that the trusted members of the industry will be able to subvert your protections anyway.

      Why do you think dual deck recorders are manufactured and sold at electronic stores?

      Not for much longer I fear. Or at least the next models will include DRM support and force copies made from unprotected media be protected.

      Have you forgotten this story of Fontographer's by-default restrictions on how fonts you create with it can be used?

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      Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
  51. DRM in the Transistors by DoktorFuture · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wait! I have it! A solution! Let's just put DRM in the Transistors, Capacitors, Resistors and possibly even the Wires themselves!

    So, a transistor will have the normal 3 pins, plus 3 to 6 extra pins for the DRM!
    A Capacitor, normally two pins, will need 4 extra to ensure it's only operating within its designated range.
    A normal wire, once DRM enhanced, could have 2 extra conductors to insure its compliance with DRM approved resistance and impedence factors.

    Once every transistor in an LCD panel is made safe by DRM, then we will have peace in the middle east.

  52. Hidden danger... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    that entertainment will slip out from the big companies' hands. Suddenly people will start producing creative-commons TV shows, and broadcast them over the internet.

    Plus, there is a tiny detail these companies have forgotten: They can't lobby other countries. Try passing a law that forbids analog recording in Venezuela, Argentina, Indonesia or Hong Kong (not to mention the great dragon).

    What will happen when the average american finds himself at disadvantage with other countries?

    If TV companies insist on closing the doors to their own viewers, suddenly they'll realize they only locked themselves out.

    Smart move, really.

  53. Even major ones by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Informative

    Funny enough, that sort of thing isn't reserved to just cheap knockoffs. Take, for example, the Yamaha S2500. That's Yamaha's top of the line DVD player. MSRP is $750, street price is probably around $500. Ultra high-end components, DVD Audio playback, etc, etc. Ultra high end in other words. However, a brief search on the net reveals that it has a region hack built in. Just enter some codes on the remote, and like magic, no region lock.

  54. Well then that might be a problem by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I mean, who makes ADCs? I can think of four companies:

    Texas Instruments (usually under the name Burr-Brown), Analog Devices, Cirrus Logic, and Asahi Kasei (AKM in the US). Of those, three are US firms, one is Japanese.

    Now those may not be the only companies, but if you look at the hardware you own, I bet you find all of it uses converters from one of those four sources. If they all get on board with something like this, could be real hard to find a non-DRM source.

  55. A solution will occur naturally... by keezer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I sense a bit of Tivo-envy on the part of the **AAs. Heck, Tivo is the only way many people have even seen many of these shows. Tivo has been a promoter of shows, in a way not entirely dissimilar from the original incarnation of Napster did for CDs.

    If I can't catch important individual shows in a series that I was duped into watching in the first place by carefully edited teasers, then I probably won't watch the show at all. More time for me. I feel my brain rot healing already.

    Soon the **AAs will discover that analog holes exist in books, music instruments, and live stages. Hmmm... can't have entertainment that isn't copy-protected. Maybe movie and music reviews will have to be controlled, too... they're contributing to the decline of DVD and CD sales.

  56. The crux of the issue by dpilot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    >And thus Hollywood is protected against independent filmmakers able to make good movies on the cheap
    >entering their market.

    Here's the real clincher, and if I were giving the MPAA types high credit for brains, this is what I'd peg as the real reason for the legislation. Instead, they produce so much CRAP that they don't deserve the credit for thinking this cleverly. So I suspect they're asking for what they really want, for the reason they really gave.

    The real issue, according to the US Constitution:
    To promote invention and the arts, artists and inventors are granted limited exclusive rights to their works. Most of us think that the purpose of this is twofold. First, to get them funding so they can keep inventing or artisting. Second, the patent/copyright was supposed to expire, so future inventors/artists can build on that work. So the real issue in the entire current copyright brouhaha should be how do we insure that artists are properly compensated so they can keep creating.

    At the base of all of this, electronic communications, as embodied by the Internet, has turned the concept of publication on its ear. It has reduced the incremental cost of copying information to zero. Yet we still have publication industries in place, trying desperately to preserve their existence. So in an Orwellian turn, these publication industries, especially ??AA, are spending an incredible amount of time *preventing* publication. In truth, the "replication" portion of the publication industry is pretty well obsolete, leaving the "studio," "editorial," "promotional," and other such functions. Well, even the "studio" function is diminshed as electronics makes many of those capabilities much more affordable. One could argue about the fine line between "promotional" and "payola", and one could also argue, given the quality of today's media about how well they're doing with "editorial."

    But this is ALL about protecting a business model. Last I knew, there was no protection in the Constitution for business models. It just needs to be exposed as this.

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    The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
  57. Re:Where can I buy VEIL clothing? by Datamonstar · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'll bet it goes nice with my tin foil hat!

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    The eternal struggle of good vs. evil begins within one's self.
  58. That's not what the American Heritage Dictionary.. by rcs1000 · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...says

    From the actual dictionary:

    Fascism a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. 2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

    That's not quite the same thing, is it? Did you, per chance, think you could just slip through a random definition (blatantly made up); throw a few (admittedly largely well deserved) insults, and get some instant "Karma".

    Well, I guess you succeeded in getting the "Karma".

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  59. Amen by tacokill · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I sell thousands of products from major manufacturers (ABB, Tyco, Flowserve, and others). Every single one of my manufacturer's gets castings and machined parts from China. I deal in heavy industry-type items. Valves, piping, pumps, etc.

    The parent post is dead-on. Back in the early to mid-90's, the castings and machining was sub-par out of China. Nowadays, that is NOT the case. The products coming from China are excellent. World-class, in fact. And guess who's jobs those used to be? Yep. Americans.

    Apparently, it's a hard sell to say "I am worth $50/hour", when the company can go to China and pay much less -- with the same quality. Go figure.

    The only downside is the delivery times. It takes time to get that stuff in from China and as such, the JIT (just in time) model, blows up. But who cares if you can sell it at 40% less than it takes to make it here stateside.

  60. OP missed best part. Timeshifting limited to 90min by Devistater · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The original poster and everyone commenting that i can see missed the best part. The bill limits you to a grand generous total of 90 mins of timeshifting.

    Quote from original article:
    "And this bill is ridiculously hard on timeshifting. Section 201 (b) (1) of the DTCSA gives you all of 90 minutes from the initial reception of a "unit of content" to watch your recordings. Heaven forbid you get a long phone call or an unscheduled visit from a neighbor when you're engaged in some delayed viewing--once that 90-minute window closes you're out of luck until the next broadcast."

  61. In other news..... by IchBinEinPenguin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Calling the ability to convert analog video content to a digital format a "significant technical weakness in content protection,"

    In other news, calling "the ability to choose not to watch crappy movies" a "signifficant weakness in our buisness model", the **AA are calling for critical thinking to be outlawed.

  62. Strange timing by cpu_fusion · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Nice holiday gift for corporate America. We know who Senator Claus thinks was good this year. Nice coal in the shoes of the working stiffs. We must have been naughty, you know, working to earn the economy the money to pay for those bribes.

    How did they find time to put this into committee and not time to file orders of impeachment for our government spying on its citizens without court supervision.

    This is gonna be one hell of a New Year.

  63. Zone Denial for Vacation Videos! by Jason+Pollock · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can you imagine...

    Creating a bunch of devices that emit the "Do Not Copy" signal cheaply, battery powered... Now place this device in front of your favourite landmark. In fact, place them wherever you want!

    All of a sudden, people are unable to take pictures of it.

    Now, take one of these devices to a press conference. The TV cameras won't be able to cover it!

    I forsee a lot of warranty returns if that happens.

    Still, might be good for individual privacy. Can you imagine carrying one of them and security cameras not being allowed to record your presence?

    Awesome!

  64. Or you could write something meaningful... by The+Last+Gunslinger · · Score: 2, Informative

    Instead of trying to wring a cheap laugh out of the situation, you might hop on over to http://judiciary.house.gov/CommitteeMembership.asp x and see if your Congressman sits on the Judiciary Committee where this has been introduced.

    If so, write them a note voicing your displeasure with H.R. 4569. If not, write to YOUR representative (http://www.house.gov/writerep/
    Be tactful. Be succint. Don't be a flaming jerkass. Here's what I sent to my representative...feel free to plagiarize:


    Mr. Carter,

    I am aware that you are not a sitting member of the Judiciary Committee, but I am writing you in the hopes that you will discuss upcoming legislation with fellow Texas representatives Lamar Smith, Sheila Jackson Lee, and Louie Gohmert.

    It has recently come to my attention that the House Judiciary Chairman has introduced a bill (H.R. 4569) into committee that embodies, in my opinion, an appalling attempt by a private industry to subvert the legislative process in order to protect its archaic business model.

    As I'm sure you're well aware, the United States Congress exists to serve the liberty and security of its citizens, and not to guarantee the existence of any public corporation or private industry against the winds of change and innovation. Legislation such as this proposed "Digital Transition Content Security Act of 2005" is not crafted with the interest of the American consumer in mind, but rather with the intent to protect an existing content delivery and distribution model by criminalizing techonological innovations in this digital era.

    An Act such as this one effectively deprives American consumers of their Fair Use rights as provided under existing U.S. intellectual property laws, and by extension, damages our economic stability by stifling the innovative forces that have kept America at the forefront of technological development. Furthermore, forcing U.S. manufacturers to adopt specific technology into all of their products places them at a distinct economic disadvantage in the world marketplace, and this country can ill afford the further loss of exportable goods.

    Please do not be misled by the entertainment industry contentions that they are "losing" millions of dollars in revenue annually due to digital copyright infringements. Any first-year college student with a logic course on his transcript knows this is a fallacy of the most obvious variety. One cannot substantiate the presumption that every "pirated" copy of a protected work necessarily translates to the "loss" of one retail sale. One honestly cannot even translate it to the loss of one potential sale. It doesn't take an MBA to realize that the industry's claim of "lost revenue" is truly nothing more than "potential, unrealized revenue possibilities." That is to say, they display a best-case sales scenario and blame digital piracy for the shortfall that reality presents.

    I urge you to voice your disapproval for H.R. 4569 to your fellow Texas legislators on the Judiciary Committee. This bill does NOT represent the interests of the citizens of Texas, nor of the U.S.A. as a whole. A vote for this bill would be a vote against the Fair Use rights of the taxpaying people of this economy and a vote against the spirit of innovation that made this great nation the undisputed superpower in the world today. I place my trust in you, and know that you will make the best decision in the present and future interests of the *people* whom you represent by voting down such special interest legislation as H.R. 4569.

    Respectfully,
    [real name omitted]



    Comments and criticism welcome, flames redirected to /dev/null

  65. exceptions by Scudsucker · · Score: 2

    Nature of the right-wing is leave it to the people.

    Except for the Patriot Act, gay marriage and "indecency on the airwaves". On the last one, sure there's Liberman and Hillary, but 1) those two are right wing, and 2) are vastly outnumbered by luddites even farther to the right than they are.

    Republicans tax and regulate things they don't like, just like Democrats. But at least Democrats generally aren't two-faced hypocrites about it.