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iBook Converts to iTablet

Samuel Cotterall writes to tell us The Register is reporting that, not content to wait for Apple's mythical tablet PC to ship, ThePlaceforitAll.com is selling converted iBooks on eBay to fill the void. From the article: "ThePlaceforitAll.com is the first to admit the hardware will not be supported by Apple, thanks to the warranty-warping modification work, but the software should still be covered. More worrying is the site's statement that it "will not fix any broken iTablets". It will also ship to US-located buyers only."

132 comments

  1. Why would you buy one of these? by winkydink · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The touchpad is not compatible with Apple's Inkwell and it's a G4-based laptop. All that for a mere $1500? Save up another $500 and buy the new Macbook.

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    1. Re:Why would you buy one of these? by Wabin · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Not to mention that the $1500 is just the starting price...

      It should also be noted that there are no pictures yet, only renderings. Personally, I would want to be sure the thing existed before dropping $1.5K on it.

      That or wait for apple to get its act together and release an official version. Clearly there are people who want them.

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    2. Re:Why would you buy one of these? by JPriest · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Let me go out on a limb and say becasue the Macbook is also not a tablet PC? How come every time someone comes out with a nich product people from slashdot have to pipe in and say "I have no need for this, why do they even sell it?". If they are selling them then obviously _someone_ wants one.

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    3. Re:Why would you buy one of these? by punkass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nice sig...pot, meet kettle...

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    4. Re:Why would you buy one of these? by rolfwind · · Score: 3, Interesting

      People might buy it just for the coolness factor (like some do with Mac products in general).

      But I agree, as long as it's mostly a hardware mod with minimal software integration, this is a half-assed solution.

      Personally, I'm waiting for Apple come back into the PDA arena - one that could fit in the PCMIA slot of their notebooks for automatic syncing (or cooler still, a very thin one that would lock in to the top - behind the screen of their notebooks, perhaps in the center being a replacement light-up apple symbol like on the powerbook - letting you access notebook data without turning on the notebook completely).

    5. Re:Why would you buy one of these? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Save up another $500 and buy the new Macbook.

      Last week the AZ answer to every possible problem was "Buy a Mac mini". I see you guys have upgraded. Nice.

    6. Re:Why would you buy one of these? by heresyoftruth · · Score: 1

      The macbook is $1799 at the Apple Education Store, so for only $399 more a student can the new macbook.

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    7. Re:Why would you buy one of these? by heresyoftruth · · Score: 2, Funny

      Make that $299. As Barbie would say, "Math is hard."

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    8. Re:Why would you buy one of these? by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

      I'm more interested in them coming up with a proper universal PIM format. .Mac is getting there, but still relies on visible syncing between devices. The closest I've seen at the moment is Exchange 2003 / Outlook 2003's "Offline Mode", although OSS alternatives (Must sync to Outlook, a web interface and my PDA) are welcome.

      A PDA which bluetooths to your laptop or desktop would be far more useful to me (ie silently updates things), although docking into the laptop for charging is a neat idea. The 'external access' idea seems a bit of a waste of time, just carry around the PDA if you need the quick data. Rely on the wireless silent sync to keep them both on the same page.

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    9. Re:Why would you buy one of these? by Bassman59 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "If they are selling them then obviously _someone_ wants one."

      they're offered for sale, but there are no bidders ...

    10. Re:Why would you buy one of these? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple really should get into the handheld market, I bet they'd sell like hotcakes!

      They should name it something clever... what's a small apple called? Maybe "Apple Cobbler" or... hey, I got it, the "Apple Newton" !

      I bet that'd go over well!

    11. Re:Why would you buy one of these? by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      I remember a Slashdot story ( http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/ 12/1549216&from=rss ) about a similar hack. But it used a touchscreen from TrollTouch.

  2. take a dose of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    the iTablet = a hard pill to swallow

    -Sj53

  3. Hah by kuzb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, should we start an office pool on how long it takes before Apple starts to sue them?

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    1. Re:Hah by Delta-9 · · Score: 1

      Whats the over/under on this? 1 week?

      I'll take the under.

    2. Re:Hah by yincrash · · Score: 1

      sue them for what?

      it's an apple computer.

    3. Re:Hah by Amouth · · Score: 1

      I'm in.. 5$ says the auction is closed by next monday.

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    4. Re:Hah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trademark or copyright infringement. The text and imageslook suspiciously like something I've seen before . . . say, on Apple.com. The likelihood of initial confusion is high to the casual shopper considering the use of Apple's app icons and event the text format. I wouldn't wager on iTabs side on this one.

    5. Re:Hah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, its illegal to buy something, modify it and attempt to resell it?
      And i thought the world had already gone from bad to worse...

    6. Re:Hah by citizenr · · Score: 0

      it IS an Apple computer, co whats the fuss?

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    7. Re:Hah by DashEvil · · Score: 1

      It's designed and named to look like an official apple product, and it is not. It's a derivative of an apple computer, it isn't one the instant the modded it.

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    8. Re:Hah by freedom_india · · Score: 1

      The most insightful comment i have read in this story.

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  4. No Inkwell == No Way by soft_guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought this was kind of cool until I read that Inkwell is not supported. What's up with that? It pretty much makes the tablet useless.

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    1. Re:No Inkwell == No Way by piltdownman84 · · Score: 1

      Does anyone know of, or even better can recommend, a inkwell compatible touch screen?

      I would love to put an iMac on my kitchen wall, but inkwell would be a must. From my limited knowledge inkwell seems to only work with tablets. And that would wouldn't be too good for what I have in mind.

      Thanx in advance

  5. Caveat Emptor by OakDragon · · Score: 1
    From TFA: ThePlaceforitAll.com only has mock-up pics on its site, as does the eBay auction page, so there's no real indication as to what the final product will look like.

    Any real consumer reviews of these from happy/unhappy customers?

    1. Re:Caveat Emptor by dleifelohcs · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you read the rest of TFA, you would know this is a one-of-a-kind. There's only one person right now who knows what it really looks like, and that's the creator of it.

  6. They're not even built yet?!? by IAAP · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The image above is a very close approximation of what iTab should look like when constructed. The iTab is not built yet.

    Ok, it doesn't sound like they even have a prototype and it voids Apple's warrantee. This does not give me any confidence in their ability to do this work. I wouldn't want them fucking with my iBook.

    I'll wait for Apple, thank you very much.

  7. Good for them by flicken · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What the market demands, the market gets, regardless of whether the original manufacturer listens or not. If this sells well, maybe Apple will hasten to complete their own tablet PC.

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    1. Re:Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are currently ZERO bids.
      Not looking good for the market demand as yet.

    2. Re:Good for them by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 1

      Ya, but I think this market consists of about 5 Mac users... one of which made this tablet.

      Tablet PC sales have been fairly lack luster. So, tablet Mac sales would probably suck... big time.

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  8. Interesting policy... by Otter+Escaping+North · · Score: 5, Funny
    ThePlaceforitAll.com is the first to admit the hardware will not be supported by Apple, thanks to the warranty-warping modification work, but the software should still be covered. More worrying is the site's statement that it will not fix any broken iTablets.

    ThePlaceforitAll.com: We break it! You buy it!

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  9. Vaporware by chriss · · Score: 5, Informative

    Some remarks:

    • The concept: Take a 12" iBook, flip the display onto its back, attach a Keytec USB touchpanel on top and fix it all together. No further hardware modifications, of course you will not be able to use the keyboard or trackpad afterwards, and one USB port is already used by the touchscreen.
    • None of these have ever been build. From their site: "The iTab is not built yet. We will build them as they are sold." If they intend to sell 100 of them, shouldn't they at least build one prototype? All they have are some photoshopped mockups.
    • Obviously Apples warranty will no longer apply. They will give you no guarantee either. Even more: "We will not fix any broken iTabs." Great service. Should you buy it and it never works, just throw it away. But of course this will never happen, because "we will do extensive tests on the iBook before modifying to catch any problems with it. Any problems with a computer are usually immediately visible after these tests. So the chance of your iTab breaking after purchase is lower." Exactly. The whole warranty stuff is overrated, vendor tested hardware almost never fails.
    • Handwriting does not work. "The touchscreen technology used in iTab is not compatible with InkWell, Apple's handwriting recognition technology". Your only option is to purchase a third party virtual keyboard product.
    • The vendor has a 14 feedbacks from buyers at ebay, five of them since 09/2005, most of which where books about tennis, none hardware.

    Don't touch it

    Auction on ebay
    iTab homepage (already slashdotted)

    Chriss

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    1. Re:Vaporware by no_pets · · Score: 1

      Not only should they build a prototype if they plan to sell any, but I would think that at least one person at their company would want one and they should have already built one for that person.

      Just my $.02.

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    2. Re:Vaporware by HardCase · · Score: 3, Funny

      Even better, check out "Sam's Custom Built Computers". It's as vaporous as the iTab. But you can "Rock your next lan party".

      Why do I feel like I'm looking at Something Awful's Awful Link of the Day?

      -h-

    3. Re:Vaporware by geobeck · · Score: 1
      ...most of which where books about tennis, none hardware.

      So they're selling you a $1500 tennis racquet.

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    4. Re:Vaporware by frdmfghtr · · Score: 1

      Even better is the shipping policy...

      Will usually ship within 1 business day of receiving cleared payment.


      Not built until sold, then out the door in a day of receiving payment? Talk about turnaround time for a prototype-less product!

      I agree, stay away...stay far, far away!

      (also wonder when Apple will come after them...the ad looks WAY too much like Apple's marketing work.)

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    5. Re:Vaporware by c0dedude · · Score: 1

      It would be interesting if it gets no bids. With all the publicity, that would mean there's no one in the world stupid enough to buy this POS.

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    6. Re:Vaporware by c0dedude · · Score: 2, Funny

      Strike that, I can think of a particular casino that will jump in at some point.

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    7. Re:Vaporware by jessecurry · · Score: 1
      LOL @ Big(more expendability)

      Dream Computer Order Form

      And LOL @ Note: Almost any peice you can find anywhere else on the web we can incorporate in your computer.

      What about this?

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    8. Re:Vaporware by chris_eineke · · Score: 1

      Don't you see? It has a tag embedded into an image. He probably paid a grand or two for that web site design. That makes it a respectful business. Now go and buy his stuff*.

      * I am in no way affiliated with Sam's Home-Broken Computers.

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    9. Re:Vaporware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      LOL @ Big(more expendability)

      "LOL @"? You're kidding, right?

    10. Re:Vaporware by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 5, Funny
      Even better, check out "Sam's Custom Built Computers"

      The best part of the "about" page:

      You can call durring bussinness hours 9am-5pm easter time
      So I guess they're only open for bussinness one day a year, and that's on a Sunday.
    11. Re:Vaporware by outsider007 · · Score: 1

      a little OT but does anyone know the laptop where you can flip the screen around the back and use it like a tablet? I saw a commercial for it awhile ago but I forgot the model.

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    12. Re:Vaporware by Mattwolf7 · · Score: 1

      Almost every single Windows based tablet pc on the market.

    13. Re:Vaporware by supersocialist · · Score: 1

      There are several these days, if you're looking for a PC. The Toshiba m200 series is pretty good, but the plastic mask over the LCD is fragile and costs $150 to replace.

    14. Re:Vaporware by Zenmonkeycat · · Score: 1
      That would be the mind-killing flashing image, jaggy heading text stored as an image, and poor sense of proofreading ("purchased my [sic] customer"). Those three things alone wouldn't make a site a Something Awful candidate, but when you combine them, you have many of the hallmarks of one.

      (To be fair, I did read his press release, and he is only twelve.)

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    15. Re:Vaporware by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      Great marketing work would explain the lack of being sued into the ground for copyright/TM infringement, and the lack of product stock....

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    16. Re:Vaporware by freedom_india · · Score: 1

      --what exactly does your sig mean? Couldn't get it.

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    17. Re:Vaporware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      9am-5pm easter time

      That's the only time he ever rises...

    18. Re:Vaporware by Zenmonkeycat · · Score: 1

      It comes from one of the first chapters in "Catch 22," when the main character spends time in the infirmary working as a military censor, redacting letters with reckless abandon. Good stuff if you like anti-establishment authors!

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    19. Re:Vaporware by frdmfghtr · · Score: 1

      Apparently the auctioner got some sort of talking-to, as the auction site no longer looks like a ripoff of Apple's website...no graphics, plain text, and much shorter with lots of big-print "third party" and "not affiliated with Apple" disclaimers.

      And some poor soul has placed a bid.

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  10. really really really old by minus_273 · · Score: 0

    this has been done a long time ago

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    1. Re:really really really old by minus_273 · · Score: 4, Informative
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  11. incompatible handwriting tech, plus no repairs... by capsteve · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the lack of inkwell compatability kind of defeats the whole purpose of getting a tablet mac in the first place... use another vendor for handwriting recognition, sure, but not as slick as inkwell for sure. plus extra cost.

    but the bigger complaint would be that they will not repair any tablet, after they void the warranty for you. at the very least they should offer a limited warranty and repair policy. without any, they pool of prospective buyers is gonna narrow dramatically.

    and you'd think after spending all that time figuring out how to make this work(which they haven't actually done it yet, not until you buy one, then they'll figure it out) they would have designed a better stylus holder. it looks more like an after thought.

    so in the end, what you really end up paying for is someone elses laptop case mod experiment.
    that you had to bid on thru ebay.

    pass.

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  12. A very good configuration for a tablet PC by ravee · · Score: 4, Funny

    The unit on offer contains a 1.33GHz PowerPC G4 CPU, 512MB of memory, 40GB of hard drive space and Mac OS X 10.4. It has 802.11g Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 2.0. The machine is signed by the modder, and individually numbered.

    That is a pretty impressive configuration for a tablet PC. And at that price they better give a personal autograph too. Collectors items commands its own value in the market.

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    1. Re:A very good configuration for a tablet PC by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 1

      That is a pretty impressive configuration for a tablet PC.

      Ya, wow, it is almost half as fast as last years models of Windows Tablet PCs...

      Has the world gone mad?

      Ok, would it not be smarter to just buy a Windows Tablet PC, and run PearPC on it? (Sure you have to buy a copy of OSX).

      This has to be a con or joke, I can't believe this is a real product.

    2. Re:A very good configuration for a tablet PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Ya, wow, it is almost half as fast as last years models of Windows Tablet PCs...

      Has the world gone mad?

      What? I assume you're directly comparing clock speeds here? Even so, I've never seen a 2.66GHz Windows tablet PC, and even if I had I dare say the PowerPC wouldn't be left as far adrift as you'd think, performance wise, since it's a completely different processor architecture.

      Ok, would it not be smarter to just buy a Windows Tablet PC, and run PearPC on it? (Sure you have to buy a copy of OSX).

      No. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't work out a lot cheaper, and it certainly wouldn't be anywhere near performance wise. Also there's the chance that things like the touchscreen wouldn't work particularly well through software emulation, thereby completely negating the point of having a tablet.

      This has to be a con or joke, I can't believe this is a real product.

      This has to be a con or joke, I can't believe this is a real comment.

    3. Re:A very good configuration for a tablet PC by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 1

      What? I assume you're directly comparing clock speeds here? Even so, I've never seen a 2.66GHz Windows tablet PC, and even if I had I dare say the PowerPC wouldn't be left as far adrift as you'd think, performance wise, since it's a completely different processor architecture.

      Ok, I was not just comparing Clock Speeds of the CPU, but Storage, RAM and the Video subsystem.

      And PS, quit with the G4 Clock Speed myth, Adobe keeps smacking it down and now even Apple has stopped spreading that lie, sure the PowerPC clock speed performance is not equal, but it still is not near what Apple tried to make people believe it was.

      Remember the old Supercomputer ads with the G4 and G5s - where they couldn't even export it without Govt approval? Look at the XBox 360, it has a tri-core 3ghz PowerPC CPU in it that is a generation ahead of the G5. Did the Govt put it on the export supercomputer list also? That was what you call marketing my friend, not real performance... PERIOD.

      Also we that also live outside the Mac world, don't go by Clock Speed, we go by actual performance, even though Mac users would like to believe different, oh go look up AMD for example...

      No. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't work out a lot cheaper, and it certainly wouldn't be anywhere near performance wise. Also there's the chance that things like the touchscreen wouldn't work particularly well through software emulation, thereby completely negating the point of having a tablet.

      Actually OSX works fine in PearPC on a tablet PC, of course you don't get full pen support in OSX, but with the product they are selling, they are not offering this anyway.

      And performance wise, it would surprise you the relative speed of OSX in PearPC, it works quite well.

      Even on my low end laptop with PearPC, I can watch Videos at 30fps and play basic games just fine on OSX, and visually the performace is very comparable to a lower end G4 Mac Laptop.

      And truly my biggest point was, WTH, why buy a product that won't even support Apple's Tablet/Pen technologies. You would be better off buying a Windows Tablet PC, even if you were just going to run OSX on it in an emulator. At least you would get real pen support for handwriting recognition and also when out of the OSX emulator, ink support and all the other 'utilities' that truly make a Tablet PC.

      -PS this is not a joke, reality is the real joke. ;)

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  13. drivers by hostingreviews · · Score: 2, Funny

    What their saying is it wont work if you try to change the system basically. No drivers, no upgrades. I'd buy one if I were a millionare though.

  14. I could do that by jack_call · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you gave me $1500, I could get you an iBook, rip the screen off, and patch it back on woth duct tape ;-) Especially since I never would have to touch it again, let alone meet you...
    I should start my own ebay store, selling hardware I tinkered with(read: FUBAR'ed)

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    1. Re:I could do that by Ice+Wewe · · Score: 1

      Haha. You have no idea how ****ing hard it is to replace anything in an iBook. To replace anything in a normal iBook takes about an hour, and that's just to get in! Imagine if you had to replace something on this, this piece of crap. It'd take forever, assuming it's even possible. Hey, you guys out there who are using flash lights to read your iBook screen, you need a new backlight display cable. That took me 5 hours to replace with help from a friend, and that was my third time in an iBook, so we weren't screwing around, we know what we're doing. I must say, I'm not at all happy with iBooks. Firstly, my harddrive breaks after a year and a half of gentle use. That took 4+ hours to replace. Next my display backlight cable went out, that cost about $50 CDN to replace, and that took me 4+ hours. Now, my new 1 1/2 year old Fujitsu HDD has about a GB of bad blocks. It was working fine, I loaned it to a friend for 2 weeks, I get it back and it's got all these bad blocks on it! I'm so tired of iBooks I went out and bought myself a nice shiny 15" PowerBook. I'm never, ever, ever, gettin another iBook. BTW, this product sucks. If you want something with a touch screen from Apple, pick up a Newton

    2. Re:I could do that by Prophet+of+Nixon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Back when the Newton came out, I was in high school, and had a basic tech class taught by a man conveniently named Mr. Newton. He ordered a Newton, and was ecstatic about it when it arrived. Just about the first thing he did was write his name on it... 'Jim Newton'. The handwriting recognition software thought about it for a moment, then translated it to 'Jim Neutered'. He never really loved it after that.

  15. Problems with the iTab by Jazzer_Techie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The lack of Inkwell support is an issue, but I more importantly question the screen. As far as I know, there's no way to switch between Portrait and Landscape mode. TFA certainly doesn't mention this capablity, and after playing around with my PowerBook for a few minutes, OSX doesn't seem to naitively support that kind of orientation change. That's a big issue as it removes one of the cornerstones of Tablet fuctionality.

    1. Re:Problems with the iTab by Phroggy · · Score: 4, Informative

      The lack of Inkwell support is an issue, but I more importantly question the screen. As far as I know, there's no way to switch between Portrait and Landscape mode. TFA certainly doesn't mention this capablity, and after playing around with my PowerBook for a few minutes, OSX doesn't seem to naitively support that kind of orientation change. That's a big issue as it removes one of the cornerstones of Tablet fuctionality.

      OSX 10.4 does support rotating an external display, but it won't let me rotate the internal display on my iBook. Also, performance is severely impacted when you rotate a display.

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    2. Re:Problems with the iTab by ClamIAm · · Score: 2, Funny
      OSX doesn't seem to naitively support that kind of orientation change.

      There has to be a good joke in here somewhere.

    3. Re:Problems with the iTab by wall0159 · · Score: 2, Informative

      In System Preferences, if you click on Displays while holding , apparently it will allow you to rotate (90, 180, 270 deg) the internal monitor.

      I've done this before on my G4 800 iBook with no ill effects, but for some reason that option doesn't appear for me now. Buggered if I know why..

      (do this at your own risk of course! ;-)

    4. Re:Problems with the iTab by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The lack of Inkwell support is an issue

      I'd say the lack of actual existence is a more pressing issue. It reads as if some guy said "I'll bet I can do this. Somebody lend me your iBook." And everybody said no. So they're trying this.

    5. Re:Problems with the iTab by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      I just tried it on a G5 desktop and it worked. I rotated it 90 degrees and was surprised how hard it was to steer the cursor to the revert button :-)

    6. Re:Problems with the iTab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just one more transformation... it's not that much of a performance hit.

  16. Tablet PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love the tablet PC, and would def check out an Apple one if they released it. However, this looks like a scam for a useless product (no handwriting recognition?).

    Those talking about the lack of MS innovation should point the way to a linux or apple tablet PC. Nokia has a linux large PDA device that doesn't really count, and some company is re-releasing IBMs with a custom distro, but I have yet to see a distro available with full tablet functionality (including handwriting rec at least as good as MS's, if not hopefully better).

  17. Apple's rights by Douglas+Simmons · · Score: 1

    I was under the impression that there was enough propriatery work in both Apple's software and hardware that they'd had full control over retail dealing of Apple products. They can even tell dealers at which price to sell things. Could Apple sue this outfit?

    1. Re:Apple's rights by standards · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression that there was enough propriatery work in both Apple's software and hardware that they'd had full control over retail dealing of Apple products. They can even tell dealers at which price to sell things. Could Apple sue this outfit?

      We could all individually sue this outfit for having a stupid name.

      But no, Apple has no particular rights when it comes to the modification or resale of Apple-branded equipment. I don't know of a contract or legal statute that the modifiers would be violating. There are no obvious copyright or trademark violations here.

      I think you could buy an iBook, melt it into the shape of a ball, and sell it on eBay. And I think that Apple would be OK with that.

    2. Re:Apple's rights by damsa · · Score: 1

      Apple might sue the modder's supplier like they did when that one guy tried to sell a headless Mac couple of years ago.

    3. Re:Apple's rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple might sue the modder's supplier like they did when that one guy tried to sell a headless Mac couple of years ago.

      Maybe, but Apple could only be successful if that supplier is breaking a legal agreement it made with Apple.

      If the laptops are being bought at retail (likely in this case), Apple likely has no recourse, as a retail consumer is not agreeing to a contract.

  18. This sort of sounds like the Outbound laptop..... by 8127972 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ..... where it had everything except ROM chips (which the user had to supply from a desktop Mac) so that they didn't get sued out of existance by Apple(http://www.lowendmac.com/clones/outbound.htm l for more). Oddly enough, what put them out of business was the release of the first Mac Portable.

    This time around they are taking iBooks and (allegedly) converting them into tablets. That is sure to get the attention of the horde of Apple lawyers who will surely sue them out of existance.

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  19. Why was this posted? Seriously.. by aychamo · · Score: 0, Troll

    Seriously, why was this posted? This is absolute garbage. The people have never built ONE of these. They don't have a single picture of any iTablet they have built. All they have is a poor photoshop mockup. You'd have to be a really big idiot to send them money. I'd love to see what happens if someone sent them money! To see the pile of shit (if anything at all) you would get in return.

  20. Sheesh! by HardCase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I see that The Reg is suffering from the /. Editor Effect. "Tablet Mac draws bidders on eBay". Bidders? Unless zero has taken on a new value that I don't know about, I'd disagree.

    Oh, and, for what it's worth, the auction does say that the computer will ship outside of the US. Although I honestly can't imagine who would care to risk their money on something that doesn't even exist.

    I've got to say that I'm a little confused about the shipping time, too. The auction text says that it ships after it's modified - oh, and allow some time for the vendor to order one after you pay up. And for the touchscreen to arrive. But at the bottom of the auction, it ships a day after payment clears.

    I'm really at a loss for a reason why this is on either /. or The Reg. Maybe it's not a scam, but it's certainly not news.

    -h-

    1. Re:Sheesh! by tor528 · · Score: 0

      I always use the plural form of a word after zero. i.e. zero dollar, zero buyers, zero bidders.

      In other words they do have bidders... zero of them!

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    2. Re:Sheesh! by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      -- And to protect Mother Earth, each copy contains a certain percentage of recycled paper.
      -- And what percent is that?
      -- Zero. Zero's a percent!

      Thank you Mr. Groening.

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  21. Its always fun to watch a train wreck by davmoo · · Score: 3, Funny

    I bookmarked this auction. Not because I'd be stupid enough to buy one, but because I want to see how many chumps actually bid on this thing.

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  22. Major Discrepancy by jelloshotgun · · Score: 5, Funny

    Anyone notice the title of TFA is: "Tablet Mac draws bidders on eBay" but when you go to the ebay link in the article you see "History: 0 bids"

    Seems like the title of TFA should be "Tablet Mac draws wide skepticism from Slashdot"

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  23. Trolltouch... by ErnstKompressor · · Score: 3, Informative

    Trolltouch already makes a touch screen enabled iBook...

    Super-low-profile, really cool...

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  24. 0 bids on an ebay auction that was hit by /. by petermgreen · · Score: 1

    is pretty damning yeah.

    i wonder if anyone will actually buy this (if so /. should invite the buyer for an interview that would be fun).

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  25. what about RAM by akhomerun · · Score: 1

    if the keyboard is covered and you can never get to it again, then how do you get to RAM/Airport Extreme?

    in iBooks, the RAM is located under the keyboard and you get to it by taking off the keyboard.

    1. Re:what about RAM by Large+Green+Mallard · · Score: 1

      The newest rev of iBook G4's (and everything else) don't have airport extreme cards that are user removable anymore. There's a card that plugs into the PCI bus that has a broadcom wireless chip on it that does pci bus bridging, and then connected to that chip on the same card is a USB controller and a bluetooth chipset.

      The whole product here is a bad idea.. the RAM access is just one of the reasons not to get one :)

  26. Overheating Problems? by keot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    iBooks are not meant to be run with the lid closed, or at least that's what Apple says. So wouldn't this new permanently closed touchscreen lid cause the machine to overheat?

  27. Power iTablet... by Burning+Plastic · · Score: 3, Informative

    This one is a bit older, but it's a lot more functional.

    http://www.macmod.com/content/view/166/2/

    I wouldn't mind one of these made using more recent components...

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    1. Re:Power iTablet... by niteice · · Score: 1

      I met the guy that built that...unfortunately, it was in the air on the way to Macworld at the time, it must be really nice to use.

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  28. It's fer sh*t by KajiCo · · Score: 1

    blah, no warranty, and overtly expensive. I'll just wait for an official apple tablet machine. I'm praying that they'll contract Wacom for the Cintiq technology.

    1. Re:It's fer sh*t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second that, I have no doubt they'll partner with Wacom for their tablet macs.

  29. Hah, someone is gonna get sued.... by ShyGuy91284 · · Score: 1

    If not for bastardizing Apple's work (which is legal to an extent), for calling it an iTablet (or iAnything), and duplicating the design of their product descriptions to a T on their site.

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    1. Re:Hah, someone is gonna get sued.... by kebes · · Score: 1

      It'll be interesting to see if Apple actually sues. This is a small-time outfit (total sales: 0, projected sales: 100... or maybe 0), so maybe Apple won't care.

      On the other hand, if Apple does think about litigation, they have a very solid case. First off, copyright infringement. The guys have replicated text from the Apple site without even changing it, and have copied graphics too:
      Apple
      iTab

      In terms of trademark, they are pretty clearly infringing. The use of the "iThing" naming scheme, in relation to computer devices (and specifically Apple/Mac computers!) is pretty clearly trademarked by Apple. I think a very legitimate case could be made for saying that consumers will be confused. For instance, the iTab people even claim, in the specs "Product Family: iTab" ... as if it is officialy sanctioned by Apple. Slashdotters can tell the difference, but what about the population at large?

      AFAIK it's legal to buy hardware, modify it, and resell it to someone else. They have not signed any contracts will Apple, and are buying the hardware at the retail price. However, it does seem that they are trying to act like a business, buying and selling in large quantities (they claim 100). I'm curious to know whether or not this is okay (if they resolved the trademark/copyright issues mentioned above).

      Overall, this thing is such insane vaporware that we'll probably never see anything come of it. I can understand that they want to build them only as they are requested, but to not even have built a SINGLE ONE? That's crazy! How about you build one, sell it, and then start building the next? Who would actually buy the first one, without any guarantee that these guys know what they are doing?

  30. No Way by rawg · · Score: 1

    I would love to have an Apple Mac Tablet. But this isn't even close to what I'm thinking.

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  31. One of those picture thingies probably by KZigurs · · Score: 1

    Yeah, what a business model. Going to market just a days before or at the day of keynote, where the "rumours" were about a tablet from mac itself.

    I think you will find a disclaimer that you are buying a picture somwhere.

  32. Re:Hey! That's my site! by pomo+monster · · Score: 1

    Parent comment (and blog) inspires confidence in this scheme. Yes.

  33. Wireless? by slackadmin · · Score: 1

    "Every iTab ships with a built-in 56K V.92(2) modem for dial-up connections and 10/100BASE-T Ethernet to enable you to connect to a DSL, cable modem or a high-speed network. The Setup Assistant takes you through the steps of connecting to the Internet easily, whisking you online and surfing the Web in minutes." But no wireless, just seems strange (and less useful) to me in this day and age....

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    1. Re:Wireless? by toddestan · · Score: 1

      But no wireless, just seems strange (and less useful) to me in this day and age....

      Even stranger is that the iBooks they are modifying come with wireless standard. Somehow they must break the wireless when they do their modifications (maybe they have to cover up the antenna)?

  34. Re:Now with more expendability! by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

    Nice catch! I actually bothered to look at his form and missed that...

  35. Beacuse they are still a G-series? by nurb432 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The apple version is intel.. ( yuk ) So there is your reason to buy one of these things.

    Yes i expect to be modded down, yet again, for expressing my dislike for this change from PPC to ix86. But hey, its how i feel. And im NOT alone.

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    1. Re:Beacuse they are still a G-series? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      I'd mod you down for blathering on about your opinion and not attempting to support your argument. Fortunately for you, I don't have mod points.

      Boy, I sho'wish I could buy a slow-ass G4 instead of the dual-core new hotness...

      (I love my 12" Powerbook, and I'm very much looking forward to replacing it with the 2nd gen Intel powerbook.)

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    2. Re:Beacuse they are still a G-series? by Golias · · Score: 1

      So, you would go out of your way to buy a slower machine to avoid the "yuckiness" on Intel?

      Okay, good luck with that.

      I have an iBook, a mini, an eMac and a dual-G5 tower. I like them because they are Macs, not because of the Apple logos on the cases and certainly not because of the corporation which sold Apple the CPUs inside.

      The MacBook is a faster laptop than the old Powerbook. Why would you care how it became faster?

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    3. Re:Beacuse they are still a G-series? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      But you misunderstand, i dont have to justify my opinion. My opinion is all that counts.

      Aside from that, if you want to compare a old G4 to a new chip Intel, lets also compare a G5 to a 486 just to make it 'fair'( and just as worthless of a comparison ).

      Loser.

      Fortunate for me you dont have mod points? Well, fortunate for you that you hide behind a monitor.

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    4. Re:Beacuse they are still a G-series? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Its not about WHO sold the CPU, its about the architecture behind it.

      The ix86 was flawed from the beginning. Its still flawed.

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    5. Re:Beacuse they are still a G-series? by Golias · · Score: 1

      Again: If the chip in the MacBook does everything faster than the chip in the powerbook, with less power consumption, I should care about the maker and/or archetecture... why?

      Yes, the PowerPC is a better chip design concept, but in the real world, Intel surpassed their performance on consumer level chips via brute forece and ignorance, and performance is all that really matters.

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  36. iBook screen rotation in 10.4 by DrewCapu · · Score: 1

    Were you holding down the comma key? Or the Option Key?

  37. I call shenanigans! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, this thing doesn't really exist so how can they say *ANYTHING* factual about it?!?! I'd take this with a very large dose of salt. Looks like scam, sounds like a scam, ummmm, I'd say it's a SCAM! Given the complexity (or lack there of) of their other projects listed at theplaceforitall.com, I seriously doubt this is nothing more than a hoax; or criminal for that matter. I'm shocked that Google hasn't sued them yet, let alone Apple!

  38. Check out the "Question from other members" by Bassman59 · · Score: 5, Funny
    here

    Q: I want to make an urgent purchase of your apple laptop for my nephew's Mac project. I'm unable to bid due to the urgency and my short access to internet.Let me know its current condition and your last desired price as I hope to send money order via MoneyGram since I do not have access to paypal.I'll be offering a sum of 2450 usd including shipping via express post to Ibadan, Nigeria and let me know if this is ok by you. Kindly provide me your full address details and the name that will be on the payment form of your money order. I'm awaiting your response as speedy as possible Thanks and God bless! Vivian Jan-11-06

    A: Let me check with the US State Department.

  39. You're missing the point by -Harlequin- · · Score: 1

    This article isn't useless. Seeing the lengths someone will go to to get less than a quarter of the functionality that I take for granted in the tablet-PC that I'm writing this on... it gives me warm fuzzies.

    Mmmmm, warm fuzzies.

  40. Copyright Issue by UnidentifiedCoward · · Score: 1
    I wonder how Apple feels about their entire product page for the iBook being taken verbatim with only minor modifications and being relabled as iTab? From the eBay ad...
    You Can Take It with You

    Built-in wireless capability on every iTab means you can work or play anywhere you can hold a notepad. With AirPort Extreme technology standard, the iTab can surf the Web in any Wi-Fi hot spot, from hotels to bookshops. With an AirPort Extreme or AirPort Express Base Station in your room or office, you can get online from the comfort of your couch. And the included Bluetooth 2.0+EDR module lets you connect wirelessly to a wide range of peripheral devices, from mobile phones to wireless keyboards. The iTab also offers an incredible six hours of battery life, so it keeps going as long as you do. Fall for iBook

    It continues of course. The entire product description. Oh, and they ripped off Apple's CSS style sheets also.
    1. Re:Copyright Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They ripped off Apple's cascading style sheets style sheets? The nerve!

      And to think I was just about to use my PIN number at an ATM machine to get the money to buy one of these.

  41. 2 points by jpellino · · Score: 1

    1. The actual auction says all they have is a drawing of one, the first one won't be built until it's ordered, he hasn't built one yet, and it's your keister if it breaks. I'll pass.

    2. Isn't there a way to build a stylus that can be used on a trackpad? Granted it's not a great space to draw in, but I'd grab a $29 stylus for occasional Photoshop etc. use rather than a $100 drawing pad that has to be lugged... IANAEE so this to me is like Asimov's calculator - but I know I'd line my pockets with them if I were running a laptop-based lab / school / etc...

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  42. I've been waiting for new Apple PDAs also! by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    Since 1998.

  43. Takes one to know one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Q&A from ThePlaceforitAll.com's e-Bay auction:

    Q: I want to make an urgent purchase of your apple laptop for my nephew's Mac project. I'm unable to bid due to the urgency and my short access to internet.Let me know its current condition and your last desired price as I hope to send money order via MoneyGram since I do not have access to paypal.I'll be offering a sum of 2450 usd including shipping via express post to Ibadan, Nigeria and let me know if this is ok by you. Kindly provide me your full address details and the name that will be on the payment form of your money order. I'm awaiting your response as speedy as possible Thanks and God bless! Vivian
            Jan-11-06

    A: Let me check with the US State Department.


    Haha, Nigerian bank scams are so 5 years ago! Listen, "Vivian", if you want to make it in this business, you gotta get with the times. Be creative! Think big! I'll try help you out here. Hmmm, I'm thinking of something along the lines of ... a product that doesn't exist yet. You don't know how to build such a product? That's okay, charge up front! Have the Register and Slashdot report on your e-Bay auction (this is the easy part: they'll report anything) to an audience of millions. Oh, and here's the piece-de-resistance: put a little caption (see above?) on your auction page that disassociates yourself with scammers. Alright, I think we're getting somewhere now, Vivian...!

  44. hoax? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Interesting that there's only one straight-on frontal view of the iTab. There's no indication of how it opens, or whether it can be switched back and forth between a labtop.

  45. Copyright infringement? by achesterase · · Score: 1

    Well for starters, nearly all the images on their auction were taken directly from Apple's site. On top of that, their whole page layout is basically a 1:1 replica of Apple's page, which could easily be construed by Apple as misleading marketing practices.

  46. Re:This sort of sounds like the Outbound laptop... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "This time around they are taking iBooks and (allegedly) converting them into tablets. That is sure to get the attention of the horde of Apple lawyers who will surely sue them out of existance."

    Based on what? This appears to be an Apple product purchased through legit channels, meaning all relevant patent and copyright royalities going to Apple, with post-purchase modifications. There is no confusion that this is a post-purchase modification, not sold by Apple, so even trademark protections don't apply either.

    If Apple's lawyers were stupid enough to go after this outfit and win, they'd set the dangerous precedent that any product purchased retail and resold with modification was illegal, regardless of whether they attacked this from the viewpoint of patents, trademark, or trademark dress (I omit copyright because I know right of first sale is explicit in the letter of the law; I believe this is also true with patents except that is by case law, not verbatim in the relevant sections of patent law).

    iow, any future Apple computer or iPod which was sold with a skin or case modification or Sonnet processor upgrade would be or would have been illegal by the standard you imagined.

  47. easter time by r_jensen11 · · Score: 1
    The best part of the "about" page:

    You can call durring bussinness hours 9am-5pm easter time

    So I guess they're only open for bussinness one day a year, and that's on a Sunday.

    Easter time is 50 days, you insensitive clod.

    Here, look it up, and search for "easter time":
    http://www.nativity.org/Triduum.html

    1. Re:easter time by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      Easter time is 50 days, you insensitive clod.

      Well, like the guy with his new orthopedic shoes said, I stand corrected.

  48. it's a suppository by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 1

    It's not a pill, it's a suppository. This thing goes up your, umm, ya know.

    Ohh, and lube is not included.

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  49. Archetecture and Design by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    To me, design does matter.

    Then again, im an EE.

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    1. Re:Archetecture and Design by Golias · · Score: 1

      If you were an artist, I would respect your "design does matter" defense a lot more. I would expect an engineer to be a little more practical. When you're using your computer for actual tasks, you're not going to sit around admiring the way data is piped through the CPU. All that matters is how efficiently it produces the correct result.

      An inelegant design which outperforms an elegant one is the superior technology.

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  50. Ob. Matrix by anaesthetica · · Score: 1

    "I know what you're thinking, 'cause right now I'm thinking the same thing. Actually, I've been thinking it ever since I got here: Why oh why didn't I take the BLUE iTablet..."

  51. Engineering IS an artform. by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    It really is. Its just not in-your-face traditional, like a painting would be. But dont doubt for even a millisecond that its not an art form.

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    1. Re:Engineering IS an artform. by Golias · · Score: 1

      Sure, and if I wanted to buy a schematic of a CPU to hang on my wall, I'd probably go with the PowerPC over any x86 chip.

      But inside my computer, I want whichever one performs its job better, and that's the new dual-core Intel chip. I'll never see the convoluted motions it goes through to produce the results I ask for, I'll only see that it does so quickly without taxing my laptop battery much.

      To insist on using a a poorer-performing chip for the sole reason that the concept behind it is more pretty (or, to be specific, marginally less ugly)... that doesn't make a lot of sense.

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    2. Re:Engineering IS an artform. by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      "I'll never see the convoluted motions it goes through"

      Apparently, nor would you understand them. /thread OFF

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    3. Re:Engineering IS an artform. by Golias · · Score: 1

      Apparently, nor would you understand them. /thread OFF

      Indeed. The fact that you've resorted to ad homenem attacks pretty much underscores the total lack of sensible support for what you are saying.

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    4. Re:Engineering IS an artform. by Moofie · · Score: 1

      I'm so glad I bailed on this thread. This guy's a nutter.

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  52. looks like ebay pulled it by petermgreen · · Score: 1

    the link gives ebays typical item not found error.

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    1. Re:looks like ebay pulled it by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      strange its just reappeared and now it has a bid on it! go figure.

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