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Homemade Digital Cameras

Michael Golembewski writes "For the past three years, I've been taking apart cheap secondhand flatbed scanners and turning them into homemade large format digital cameras. They are well over 100 mexapixel in resolution, and produce results that are both similar to and significantly different from traditional digital and conventional cameras."

230 comments

  1. Amazing tech skills with art value! by dada21 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That is some eerie art! Is your initial part of your last name really pronounced "Golem" by chance?

    Very cool effects. When I read the snippet I figured this was going to be something like the old "Make an E-size scanner out of any hand scanner" fraud that was popular for a few years back in the old days (remember stitching manually on a Pentium 200, anyone?).

    For some reason I can't believe this works. I figured the scanning element (CCD) needed an intense amount of light to properly "read" an image on the bed.

    The fact that you use duct tape to get everything "light tight" put a good smile on my face, as well as the fact that you even got this working. If you're thinking of selling artwork, I'll be the first in line (the lady and I realized it's time for more photo-prints in the house). By the way, the image taken of the actual camera doesn't seem very high res. Was this by choice?

    1. Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! by adyus · · Score: 5, Funny


      "That is some eerie art! Is your initial part of your last name really pronounced "Golem" by chance?"

      Talk about ADD...

      Oh, and I guess he's using the Dark side of the duct tape?

    2. Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! by dirvish · · Score: 1, Informative

      I agree. This is very unique and interesting art. There are some very unflattering portraits on the oddities page

    3. Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! by Council · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The fact that you use duct tape to get everything "light tight" put a good smile on my face

      Although this can be problematic. At one point, I was trying to make a pair of 'blindness goggles' for some experiments, and I wanted to block absolutely ALL light reaching the eye, so there would be nothing external stimulating the vision centers. I tried layering duct tape on a pair of swim goggles, but it seemed that no matter how much I added, a little light would get through from bright sources. I ended up putting a layer of modeling clay over the outer surface of the goggles to get a light seal, which worked pretty well.

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    4. Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! by gormanly · · Score: 2, Informative

      ADD ? Attention Defecit Disorder ? Advanced Dungeons & Dragons ? WTF??

    5. Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! by drgonzo59 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Assembler instructions... ADD AX,BX ?

    6. Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! by drgonzo59 · · Score: 1

      Light can be hard to keep out. Anyone using a 4x5 or 8x10 large format camera (the one with the bellows) can tell you...

    7. Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! by Viriatus · · Score: 0

      Those photos look like the ones that appear in the The Ring. They're amazing and scary.

    8. Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! by CortoMaltese · · Score: 2
      Amazing tech skills with art value!

      When I was a student I joined a photography club at my technical university. The members were exclusively engineering students. Their "motto", loosely translated, was Photography is the best art form because technique/technology is an essential part of it. People did some pretty neat stuff there.

      Of course, the pictures were usually technically excellent and many times incorporated some dark room tricks, but also the subjects were often nerd things. I remember a competition titled Roots, in which most pictures consisted of grandparents and other back to roots things, but one picture by our club member consisted of a nutty professor and some strange formulas with square roots in them. It was pretty hilarious.

    9. Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! by pjt33 · · Score: 1
      By the way, the image taken of the actual camera doesn't seem very high res. Was this by choice?
      Would you post a high-res image to /. of all places? That's just asking for your server to go down.
    10. Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! by Loquax · · Score: 4, Funny

      LDA #AD Some assembly required.....

    11. Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! by John+Courtland · · Score: 1

      Why didn't you just paint them? I'm not trying to be an asshole here, I'm genuinely curious.

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    12. Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! by WormholeFiend · · Score: 4, Funny

      He could've also used tinfoil, which as an added bonus, would have also prevented the subliminable messages from reaching his optic nerves...

    13. Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! by Yutaka901 · · Score: 1

      This is very cool. I would love to use this to do more photography of London.

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    14. Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! by phliar · · Score: 1

      Use aluminium foil and aluminium tape -- completely light-tight.

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    15. Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! by Council · · Score: 1

      I didn't have paint handy. It also didn't seem obvious to me that paint wouldn't let through bright light spots.

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  2. why not just post-process? by penguin-collective · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    While it's a neat (if not original) hack, why bother making actual photographs with it? The point of large format digital is very high quality, and it doesn't look like you're getting that.

    If it's the look and effect you are going for, you can achieve that more easily with a regular digital camera and a bit of post-processing.

    1. Re:why not just post-process? by Rakishi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If it's the look and effect you are going for, you can achieve that more easily with a regular digital camera and a bit of post-processing.

      I don't see hwo you'd do that without a lot of photoshop work (go and look at some of the fun distortions they get due to the way a scanner scans the image).

    2. Re:why not just post-process? by JanneM · · Score: 1

      How would you know what effect to strive for in Photoshop unless you've already built something like this and found out what it looks like?

      Methinks you're missing the point a bit here :)

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    3. Re:why not just post-process? by rts008 · · Score: 1

      But that would skip the fun of the hack. Hacking projects are not always attempted as a more efficient/practical way of doing something.

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    4. Re:why not just post-process? by penguin-collective · · Score: 3, Informative

      The grayscale, banding, and vignetting are easy.

      For the scanning effects, you take a video or continuous shooting (most digital cameras support both) and simulate the scanning by taking scanlines sequentially from successive frames.

    5. Re:why not just post-process? by HaMMeReD3 · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you rtfa it's because the distortion from a camera like this is because it captures the image in a series of scan lines, each scanline is a small exposure, but the entire picture is made up of thousands of slices. This is different from a regular digital camera where the entire sensor is exposed which gives a motion blur effect. A scanner camera does not give you motion blur but actual clear distortion as the world changes during the exposure.

      It's a different effect and it's captured through optics and time, it can not be replicated perfectly in a computer and photoshop is not the solution to all problems artistic. This is a very creative idea and I plan on personally converting my 4x6 scanner to take picture like this. It's an original idea, I'd be interested to see if color filters on the lens would allow you to take multiple exposures for red/green/blue and mix them in the computer to create a color image. I think it could make some very interesting pieces of art.

    6. Re:why not just post-process? by public+transport · · Score: 1

      While it's a neat (if not original) hack, why bother making actual photographs with it?

      These photos are, in addition to their subject, also "photos of the scanner" which is a tangible thing. That makes it more interesting, or at least different, than digital effects. I think the process is part of the artwork. But maybe most importantly, its seems a lot more fun duing it like this.

    7. Re:why not just post-process? by lamasquerade · · Score: 5, Insightful
      From TFS: "This effect is impossible to create to anything near this level of detail or clarity using traditional digital tools. This is because the refresh rate of a video camera is 25 frames per second, and the refresh rate of a digital stills camera is even slower - between one and three seconds per image. Scanner photographs are made up of 15,000 individual slices of time, spread over 15,000 lines. Using any standard video camera to capture images this way can be done, but is limited to 720 lines, and the fastest capture rate is 40 milliseconds. This means that the images will be much low resolution, and the slower capture rate leads to blocky, jagged edges between the frames of video that are used to make up the composite."

      So that's one point. But more broadly, it seems to me to be a bit more organic than using photoshop. He says the effect is reletively predictable, but given unpredictable environments, such as cars on a road, the picture could end up more interesting than anything you could concieve and then coerce into existance

      Finally, I really, really, really don't understand why these types of comments are made. Every bloody hack article there's some grim, sad comments about how the hack sucks because a) it could be done easier in some other way, b) it's 'pointless', c) it's 'try-hard', or whatever other reason. It's so infuriating - do you have any sense of exploration and experimentation? Or understand the desire to tell others about your experiences?

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    8. Re:why not just post-process? by penguin-collective · · Score: 1

      How would you know what effect to strive for in Photoshop unless you've already built something like this and found out what it looks like?

      I suppose it's a question of whether you consider photography as something where you visualize something and then create it, or whether you randomly snap things until you get something that looks cool.

      In this particular case, however, the effect itself is quite old--far older than digital; you get the same effect, for example, with panoramic film cameras, which work by moving a slit across a piece of film. Any reasonably experienced photographer should know this type of image since it's pretty classic.

      And if you want to replicate it with digital, it's pretty easy (see other message).

    9. Re:why not just post-process? by penguin-collective · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you rtfa it's because the distortion from a camera like this is because it captures the image in a series of scan lines, each scanline is a small

      But it is the same way existing digital line cameras work, and it's the same way film-based line cameras work, yielding, not surprisingly, the same effects.

      It's an original idea,

      No, it's not. Even the consumer-scanner-as-large-format-camera is old.

      I'd be interested to see if color filters on the lens would allow you to take multiple exposures for red/green/blue and mix them in the computer to create a color image. I think it could make some very interesting pieces of art.

      You mean like Technicolor? Or like Autochrome? Or like three-CCD analog camcorders, digital cameras, and digital camcorders?

    10. Re:why not just post-process? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't bother. It's obvious your parent poster is an unexploratory, inhibited dweeb. Things which seem readily apparent to people like you and me are simply incomprehensible to those boring little men performing boring little tasks. Nothing we say or do can convey to them the creative philosophy of good taste. It's sad that we are forced therefore to abandon them to their miserable desperation, this quietly raging pain that may never find voice while trapped within these poorly articulated souls. But remember, my friend: they did this to themselves.

    11. Re:why not just post-process? by penguin-collective · · Score: 2, Informative

      This effect is impossible to create to anything near this level of detail or clarity using traditional digital tools.

      You can buy a high-resolution scanning digital camera off the shelf, which gives you exactly the same distortions but actually produces excellent still images. You can buy a used Horizon camera and get the same effect on film, minus the banding, stuttering, and poor focus. You can look on the web for "slit-scan photography" (used, among other things, in the film "2001"). You can do this sort of thing with any old large format camera. Or you might look around the web for the same hack done in the mid-1990's, multiple times.

      Finally, I really, really, really don't understand why these types of comments are made. It's so infuriating - do you have any sense of exploration and experimentation? Or understand the desire to tell others about your experiences?

      No, what's infuriating is when people do the same "hack" over and over again. At some point, it ceases to be a hack and just is a pathetic display of inexperience.

    12. Re:why not just post-process? by dangitman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For fuck's sake. I've got a Horizont, several large-format cameras, and a Panoscan. I still think this is cool. Not everybody can afford the equipment I use, and none of it is exactly the same as this, anyway. Good art is still made with disposable cameras. Why have a chip on your shoulder about non-elitist equipment?

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    13. Re:why not just post-process? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it that Linux geeks like yourself seem always to lack imagination, inspiration, and flair? And always so critical of lo-fi creativity! Hardly a nurturing environment for the budding artiste, I'd say.

      Not only at "some point," sir, but at beginning, end, and everyplace in between: you are the pathetic hack.

    14. Re:why not just post-process? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why have a chip on your shoulder about non-elitist equipment?

      I don't. I have a chip on my shoulder about people claiming something as artistically and/or technically new when it has been done numerous times before, and often better.

      Here is one link. Here's another one. There have been a number of other variations, including leaving the scanner in the film plane of a LF camera.

    15. Re:why not just post-process? by dangitman · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I don't. I have a chip on my shoulder about people claiming something as artistically and/or technically new when it has been done numerous times before, and often better.

      But nobody claimed this. The article says:

      "... and produce results that are both similar to and significantly different from traditional digital and conventional cameras."

      The examples you provide are not provided by the standard use of traditional equipment. The article does not claim this effect has never been done before.

      What do you mean by "better"? Art is very subjective, there is no absolute scale of goodness. Does it matter that Andy Warhol used mediums that many other people used?

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    16. Re:why not just post-process? by jibjibjib · · Score: 0

      You might as well say, "Why have a camera at all when you can just use pov-ray?"

    17. Re:why not just post-process? by nexarias · · Score: 2, Insightful
      So what if it's been done before, and better?

      It's an individual accomplishment, and perhaps he discovered this himself. If you discovered an algorithm, made an invention, or such by virtue of your own intellect and effort, wouldn't you think it were nice? And that you wanted to share it?

      Just ease up a little. Don't be so picky about prior art. ; )

    18. Re:why not just post-process? by toeofdestiny · · Score: 0, Troll

      You're a dick.

    19. Re:why not just post-process? by flewp · · Score: 1

      Or... "why use pov-ray (or maya, 3ds max, lightwave, etc) when you can just take a picture?"

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    20. Re:why not just post-process? by hummer · · Score: 3, Informative

      The similarities with slit-scan photography immediately stood out to me as well.

      For anyone that's interested, there's a reasonably good page describing the technique here and pages about it's application in the stargate sequence of 2001 here and here.

      It's possible to fake the technique in Adobe aftereffects with the time displacement filter too.

    21. Re:why not just post-process? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      From TFS: "This effect is impossible to create to anything near this level of detail or clarity using traditional digital tools."

      Did it not occur to you that TFS might be mistaken on this point?

    22. Re:why not just post-process? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But nobody claimed this. The article says: "... and produce results that are both similar to and significantly different from traditional digital and conventional cameras."

      I think you still aren't getting the fact that the exact same thing has been done before. The results aren't "significantly different", they are identical.

  3. Analog hole by KiloByte · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, well. Since the quality exceeds those provided by "consumer-level" equipment, how are these guys going to deal with the Digital Transition Content Security Act?

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    1. Re:Analog hole by kt0157 · · Score: 1

      >how are these guys going to deal with the Digital Transition Content Security Act?

      By being located outside of Freedonia?

      K.

    2. Re:Analog hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well, we could start by getting our representatives in Congress and the Senate to convene and pass a law in favor of consumer rights. Stop laughing. I'm serious.

  4. Vacation by Frankie70 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I will need a pickup truck to take this along on my next vacation.

  5. Recycling in a Good Way by core+plexus · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This is a good idea for recycling old equipment. I have several of those laying around, and I'll make something useful to donate to our local schools.

    Opened a path to new computer technologies and related devices

    1. Re:Recycling in a Good Way by dangitman · · Score: 2, Informative
      This is a good idea for recycling old equipment. I have several of those laying around,

      Several of what? An old scanner is pretty useless without a decent lens with large area coverage, and a housing to mount it in. That's not exactly cheap. If you have old large format cameras or lenses just lying around, then getting a scanner is the least of your problems.

      I don't know about you, but I have Horseman 4x5 cameras coming out of my ass.

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    2. Re:Recycling in a Good Way by jibjibjib · · Score: 0

      Why did you put them in your ass anyway?

    3. Re:Recycling in a Good Way by core+plexus · · Score: 1
      "I don't know about you, but I have Horseman 4x5 cameras coming out of my ass."

      Sounds painful, however, FTA: "Things from the thrift store...

      As a way of improving on the results of my first primitive scanner camera frames, the redesign of existing optical devices and simple cameras proved to be extremely valuable. While large format camera frames are traditionally prohibitively expensive for the amateur photographer, there are a number of alternative sources that can provide high-quality results. The redesign and modification of devices such as magic lanterns, overhead projectors, and box model cameras of the 20's and 30's worked quite well. These hybrid digital cameras provided fairly high quality results, and were much more versatile and easy to use than the more primitive variants."

      The article also mentions cardboard and duct tape.

    4. Re:Recycling in a Good Way by dangitman · · Score: 1
      You actually have to understand what is being said. 'Alternatives to the primitive models' aren't all cheap either. Good luck finding a cheap magic lantern. And you should note that it says "fairly" high quality.

      In other words, you won't be getting the same results as the pictures you see taken with his Horseman 4x5 version. Especially if you use a Box Brownie lens. And then there's the time to assemble it - a task which is more difficult without a pre-built camera to modify. And this guy seems pretty experienced with photography. An amateur is going to have a much steeper curve, and worse results.

      Don't get me wrong, it would be a fun project. But don't expect the results you see here from a cheapo setup. They are used for education because that's about all they are good for. There's just no way that the cost of a scanner is the major investment here. They are free for anyone to take from the dump. It's the time, workmanship and optics that really count. Not the scanner.

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    5. Re:Recycling in a Good Way by surprise_audit · · Score: 1

      How well would a Fresnel lens work?? 10" x 7" with focal length of just over 10" is $6 at sci-toys.com

    6. Re:Recycling in a Good Way by tadas · · Score: 1
      You actually have to understand what is being said. 'Alternatives to the primitive models' aren't all cheap either. Good luck finding a cheap magic lantern. And you should note that it says "fairly" high quality.

      Cheap high-quality roll film cameras from the 1920s or 1930s that took now obsolete film sizes like 616 can be bought on the Bay for under $20 (search on "Agfa PD16" for a quick example). A quick search om "magic lantern" showed a Bausch and Lomb model currently at $79 (there seem to be more available in Great Britain than in the US).

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    7. Re:Recycling in a Good Way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think it's too hard, then don't do it. Stop trying to bitch on behalf of people who don't need as much hand-holding as you.

    8. Re:Recycling in a Good Way by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      now all you have to do is fine a lens that can cover a larger area and mount it to the camera. In my case I happen to have an excellent lens with a shot shutter, sounds perfect for the task. Since I won't be needing my cut film or roll film holders after this:

      Anyone want a 120(6x7) roll film and many cut film holders for a graflex 4.5 camera? I'll sell them cheap.
      Cheers,
      -nB

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    9. Re:Recycling in a Good Way by jovlinger · · Score: 1

      Through a pin-hole, everything is in focus. The downside being that it's not the fastest lens in the world.

      One of the cooler photography projects I saw was this guy who would make camera obscuras of hotel rooms, with a pin-hole lens in the curtains (which must be made light-tight, appart from the hole), and then take very long exposure pictures as the outside city is projected onto the hotel-room walls.

      I forget his name, but he had an exhibit at the local MFA a few years back.

  6. A Modern Salvador Dali by CarnivorousCoder · · Score: 5, Funny

    Salvador Dali meets a camera. Brilliant stuff!

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    1. Re:A Modern Salvador Dali by Almenius · · Score: 1

      Dali's Moustache in photographs. Though I was hoping for one particular one where his face is a clock and his 'stache is the hands.

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    2. Re:A Modern Salvador Dali by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      A couple of years ago I accidently left the flash turned off on my digital camera. The pictures were hopelessly smeared, but I took a closer look in gimp one day when I was looking for interesting images for a web page background. You should try it. CCD does not smear like film. The results can be very interesting.

    3. Re:A Modern Salvador Dali by frenchbedroom · · Score: 1

      Why is parent modded funny ? This comment is quite valid, I think. Or is it "funny because it's true" ? ;-) Dali would have dug this, I'm sure. Or cried bloody murder of his IP, whichever.

    4. Re:A Modern Salvador Dali by What'sInAName · · Score: 1


      Speaking of this... I like to play with the exposure settings on my (cheap) digital camera. Turning the exposure way up and taking pictures at night results in some very interesting photos. Try it. It's best with multi-colored lights.

    5. Re:A Modern Salvador Dali by iBod · · Score: 1

      Regarding IP, he probably would have said:

      "Those who do not want to imitate anything, produce nothing."

      [http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/salva dor_dali.html%5D

    6. Re:A Modern Salvador Dali by Crizp · · Score: 1

      I like doing that too! Funny how my current cellphone has a better camera than the one used to take that picture.

  7. Brave guy by loraksus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sticking 25+ mb images on your server and submitting it for a slashdotting.
    Still, quite cool. He did a good job of describing the effects - made it informative, yet simple enough for most people to understand.

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    1. Re:Brave guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you could understand the story for a change? :-)

    2. Re:Brave guy by ars · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just in case here is a coral cache of the site: http://www.scannerphotography.com.nyud.net:8090/ I clicked on every page to load it up into the cache.

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    3. Re:Brave guy by Rob+Simpson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Heh, all of the pics I saw on the site were scaled down considerably, apparently enough to survive a ./ing, for now. It'd be neat to see a few of these images at full resolution, though. Maybe a bittorrent...

    4. Re:Brave guy by grazzy · · Score: 1

      also mirrordot.org kinda works...

    5. Re:Brave guy by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Well, following that link, I get:

      Please Visit my site on this cached mirror... scanner photography

      where the link is again to exactly the same coral cache mirror page ... I guess that was not the intended effect! :-)

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  8. I'm sold by Belseth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This has got to be one of the more fun geek mod projects. I'm definately assembling one. Got to keep an eye out on Ebay for a suitable camera. A great new use for my notebook. I'd love to try some shots at a carnivale. The spinning rides would make for some interesting shots. I'd love to try some high res landscapes though. Could also do some stunning macro photography as well.

    1. Re:I'm sold by heatdeath · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd love to try some high res landscapes though

      If you want to do landscape photography with this, then you've missed the point entirely. =P (Unless you're talking about clouds or something)

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    2. Re:I'm sold by nacturation · · Score: 1

      If you want to do landscape photography with this, then you've missed the point entirely. =P (Unless you're talking about clouds or something)

      There were two points. First, cool effect with the motion and all. Second, 100+ megapixels!!

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    3. Re:I'm sold by heatdeath · · Score: 0, Troll

      There were two points. First, cool effect with the motion and all. Second, 100+ megapixels!!

      Have you seen the pictures? The quality is fairly poor, and they are black and white. 100+ megapixels only does you good if you have a lens that can produce that kind of quality image, which he didn't.

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    4. Re:I'm sold by caveat · · Score: 1

      Could also do some stunning macro photography as well.

      Not really. Large-format macro is insanely difficult and tedious, not to mention pricey. While you probably could get away with not manually calculating your bellows factor (the effective change in f-stop as you focus closely) by taking a shot, checking the exposure, and compensating, there's the small matter of the lens, which is vitally important for good closeup work. View camera lenses are expensive enough already, a macro/process lens is just obscene, upwards of $2000 for a good one. I don't even know if you can rack out a cheap lens far enough to focus that close; ultimately film and processing costs are trivial next to the gear.

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    5. Re:I'm sold by nacturation · · Score: 1

      The quality is fairly poor, and they are black and white. 100+ megapixels only does you good if you have a lens that can produce that kind of quality image, which he didn't.

      So... extrapolate from that and imagine if the guy who wants to do landscape photography has a quality lens. No more problem!

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  9. Here's another idea. by robbak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Disable the motor (maybe just remove the carriage), and set it up to take pictures of things going past it. Cameras like this are used at finish lines at athletic meets. Interesting distortion. Might be an interesting project for someone still at school - I was once around the teachers trying to work out who won a 100m dash: some of them were a little bald(er) by the end of the day.

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    1. Re:Here's another idea. by robbak · · Score: 2, Informative

      Self-reply: they are called "line scan" cameras, for anyone searching .

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    2. Re:Here's another idea. by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

      how about re-sitting the motor so it rotates the whole device? you could grab full 360 degree panoramas that wouldnt need stitching

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  10. Shrinky Dinks by Propaganda13 · · Score: 1

    100 MEGAPIXELS!!! in convenient 432 x 432 sizes.

  11. Wow by somethinghollow · · Score: 1

    What a great idea. It reminds me of when I got my first scanner and I'd scan my face, following the light down as it passed my eyes or mouth, which created some very Blackhole Sun video type images. I can't decide if the details he gives on how to make the camera aren't detailed enough because a) I just haven't played with it enough to see that it is self explanatory or b) because it really isn't detailed enough. I can't tell if this is a really old school camera obscura type hack that would require moving parts or if it just focuses the image small enough onto the CCD (or whatever the proper TLA is) that it doesn't have to move. I'm guessing moving parts since the cameras are so big. I need to watch eBay for a cheap scanner. This would be fun to play around with.

    1. Re:Wow by dangitman · · Score: 1

      I had an Amiga with a Newtek digitizer. It would scan the analog video input one line at a time. So, connect a black-and-white security camera, and scan my friend's face as he rotates his head. One picture distorted his nose so he looked like a camel. If I can find those pictures on an old floppy, I will post them.

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    2. Re:Wow by Pusene · · Score: 1

      When you find them, I'll tell you where you can post them. Ahhh, the days of stuffed-and-taped envelopes with floppies...

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  12. Time-lapse photo finishes by Kayamon · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is kinda similar to the technology they use for doing photo-finishes in track & field races.

    See here - http://www.sportingworld.co.uk/newyearsprint/pics/ 2004/photofinish_75pc.jpg

    The best ones are when somebody puts their feet on the finishing line, and it gets stretched out to several "metres" long.

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    1. Re:Time-lapse photo finishes by uncl_bob · · Score: 1

      One more thing learned, thank you! :-) I always wondered how those pictures were made, now I know.

    2. Re:Time-lapse photo finishes by maird · · Score: 1

      I think athletics even has a name for that effect: ski-foot.

    3. Re:Time-lapse photo finishes by aonaran · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's at all similar in technology, just the effect.
      A photo finish is much faster than any scanning imager could handle.

      what you see as a blurred stretched line as background is more likely the result of the camera (which is likely operating at a VERY high shutter speed) panning to keep the subjects in focus.

      If you had to wait for a scanner to take the picture you'd get the opposite effect, the background and anything sitting still would be crystal clear and the racers would just be a blur if they showed up at all.

    4. Re:Time-lapse photo finishes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The photo linked to was done by a FinishLynx timing system. I setup and run the one for the local high school. The results look odd, but once you understand what it is doing it is obvious. First notice in the image the track has white lanes with black separators. Ever see a track like that?

      The image you are seeing is best thought of as a graph, not a photograph. The camera/system is recording the image/pixels from a very thin line (maybe 2 pixels) across the track at high speed. Think of the output as a graph where time increases to the right. The red line you see in the image is used in determining the times. It is used like a cursor. Start (time 0) is at the left edge and as you move the cursor right you can read the x value (the time of that particular set of pixels. The Y axis is the pixels across the track, with the bottom being at the camera, the top across the track.

      The camera is set up on the center of the finish line. That is why the lanes appear white, because at that point on the track, the lanes are white and the dividers are black.

    5. Re:Time-lapse photo finishes by Domo-Sun · · Score: 1

      I've seen these type of photos before in photography mags. One was in Time magazine, it was kids in Halloween costumes all distorted.

      It was done with a camera and a black cardboard with a slit over the lense. The film is exposed and wound during exposure, as the kids walked in front of the camera.

  13. Argh! by HoneyBunchesOfGoats · · Score: 3, Informative

    It seems he figured out how to script the camera to take continuous photos, and animated them into movies. Unfortunately, these movies require Flash 8 to play, and the latest Linux Flash Player is v7! This is the second site today that has kept me from viewing content because of this issue (though in this case it simply seems inadvertent; by contrast, you can't access any of animationmentor.com with Linux).

    1. Re:Argh! by heatdeath · · Score: 2, Informative

      The movies are actually not very good at all. (The pictures themselves are far more interesting)

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    2. Re:Argh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find that flash is so rarely used for anything other than irritating advertising animations that I haven't bothered to install it after upgrading my browser. I really don't miss it, and would rather forego seeing those scanner movies than put flash back on.

    3. Re:Argh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try moving to a real operating system.

  14. man... by heatdeath · · Score: 1

    That's the kind of thing that makes you wish you'd thought of it first. =)

    Those pictures are amazingly one-of-a-kind.

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  15. 115 Megapixels? by lhk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I find it hard to believe that he can get 115 megapixels out of that scanner. Since he is using a 4x5 camera, that works out to a scanner resolution of 2400dpi. That is the kind of resolution of high-end film scanners, not a cheap flatbed (whatever the marketing material says).

    lhk

    1. Re:115 Megapixels? by heatdeath · · Score: 2, Informative

      The scanner he uses on his primary camera is 600x1200 dpi, so he's clearly not talking about that. (a full 8x10 scan would be 65 megapixels, but the 4x5 frame would only be about 15 megapixels) Kinda confusing as to why the images are so large then...that's not much bigger than my DSLR. Even a RAW image with my 8 megapixel camera is only about 8Megs.

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    2. Re:115 Megapixels? by markandrew · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Firstly, 2400dpi is not "high-end" for a film scanner. My Scan Dual III (several years old, and only GBP 200 new) has a 2820dpi resolution. That gives around a 10-mpixel image for 35mm film. You can get consumer scanners of 4000dpi and more for not much more than that. I know of at least one flatbed scanner which is quite cheap and easily exceeds your supposed limit - and this from a person who has never bought a flatbed scanner in my life (there are sure to be many others). As for supposed "marketing" claims - I've yet to hear of a scanner which doesn't deliver the advertised resolution. They may not make full use of that resolution, and many high-res scanners may produce subjectively worse scans than lower-res scanners, but any scanner which advertises 2400dpi and only delivers 2200dpi would be false advertising, apart from anything else.

      Secondly, just because it is a 4x5 camera doesn't mean that the image being scanned is 4x5; if the scanner is placed behind the film-plane of the camera, the projected image size will increase. In fact, even if it is ON the film plane exactly, it's likely that there would be a (slightly) larger area than 4x5 inches available, as the projected image would be cropped to fit the rectangle of the film frame in normal use.

    3. Re:115 Megapixels? by leuk_he · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Take a look at the pictures again. Yup there are 115 Mega pixes for sure, but these are not numbers you can compare with your typical digital camara. This just a case of counting the pixels.

      You can see the scanning lines in a lot of the pictures and they are not a result of the art, but from techincal shortcomings. The time distortion effect is nice however.

    4. Re:115 Megapixels? by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 0

      Not sure where he gets megapixels from... Each one is 432x432 which is only 186,000 pixels... Any cheap digital camera can do at least 640x480.

      They're also *way* too constrasty - there's virtually no detail so you end up with lots of black and lots of white and little in between. It's a stretch to call it 'art' IMO - just bad photography.

    5. Re:115 Megapixels? by Stan+Vassilev · · Score: 1

      "Since he is using a 4x5 camera, that works out to a scanner resolution of 2400dpi. That is the kind of resolution of high-end film scanners, not a cheap flatbed (whatever the marketing material says)."

      I browser the shops few days ago looking for combo scanner/printer and I can confirm there's a load of 2400dpi scanners + printer for about a hundred of dollars or less.

    6. Re:115 Megapixels? by geminidomino · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even a RAW image with my 8 megapixel camera is only about 8Megs.

      Is it only those of us who DON'T do digital photography that wonder if that's not as obvious as it looks?

      Not a flame. I know fsckall about this, but I thought a megapixel was a marketspeak way of saying a 32x32 (or similar factors-of-1024 dimensions)

    7. Re:115 Megapixels? by bogado · · Score: 4, Informative

      A raw image should have more then 8Megs, since each pixel has at least 3 bytes, but since many cameras that provide raw uses 16 bits per channel this would acount for 6 bytes per pixel. On the other hand, if your raw has the information direct from the ccd that usually is a black and white sensor that has a colored mask in front of it this would make each pixel to have a single channel (usually in an array of 4x4 squares that hold red and green in the first row and green and blue in the second).
      So in this configuration the raw file would hold 16Mb more or less. If this file is compressed with a non-lossy (gzip, zip, bz) compression it can be expected at least a 2x compression rate, so it would re-shrink it to 8Mb.

      So I guess that it is not that obvious that a 8Megapixel camera will have a 8Mbyte raw file, even if it seem obvious.

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    8. Re:115 Megapixels? by rcbarnes · · Score: 1

      Excellent point! He should go join the last band of losers who used too much contrast and skimped on detail. They never amounted to much either... Why does everyone think they have the right to throw around the term "art" with every little idea they have?

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    9. Re:115 Megapixels? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Informative

      On digital cameras each pixel delivers only one color channel by using a Bayer filter (unless you have a 3-chip camera, of course). The colors are then interpolated into those pixels which measure different color channels. Therefore you have only 1 to 2 bytes per pixel in the raw format.

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    10. Re:115 Megapixels? by bogado · · Score: 1

      I don't know if I wrote clearly, but I did stated this fact on my comment along with the fact that many sensors do have a 16 bits depth. :-D I was only stating that even though the fact that a 8megapixel camera has a raw file with 8Megabytes seem obvious, in reality it is not obvious that those figures should be the same. :-D

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    11. Re:115 Megapixels? by vidarh · · Score: 1
      I just bought a combined one with 1200x4800 dpi scanner resolution that costs abou $140 at Amazon. At my local store, all but the very cheapest scanner have at least 1200x2400, and most 2400x2400dpi or above...

      I don't doubt that many film scanners may not have much higher resolution, though - quality often counts far more than the resolution. My now 5yo 1.something megapixel camera still competes very favorably with most new low end 5-6 megapixel cameras, for instance.

      I guess the mistake is looking at the high end professional products and assuming consumer hardware can't have higher resolution at a lower price. The consumer products is far more about pushing numbers the average consumer may have heard about than actually improving quality.

      Boosting the number of pixels is trivial. Boosting it AND giving a meaningful increase in picture quality/detail the real issue.

    12. Re:115 Megapixels? by po8 · · Score: 1

      Are you sure they're really 1200x4800 optical? Or are they 1200x4800 interpolated? Scanner manufacturers love to report "virtual" resolutions obtained by filtering the scanner output.

    13. Re:115 Megapixels? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Oops, indeed, sorry for missing that. Well, at least my post gave additional value by linking to the relevant Wikipedia article :-)

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    14. Re:115 Megapixels? by Enonu · · Score: 1

      The 3490 was a complete was of money and time. It takes something like 3 to 5 minutes to scan a negative @ that DPI, and the quality was horrible for my wedding photos. In the end going to Walmart took less time, produced 10x higher quality prints, and cost less than scanning and printing. And no, it wasn't the printer. The images looked horrible before they were printed.

    15. Re:115 Megapixels? by Gulthek · · Score: 1

      It's a good thing you are around to tell us all what art is.

      At first I thought that this "bad" photographs very effectively captured a lot of emotion and feeling and brought out detail that a "good" photograph would have glossed over. Now I know that if it isn't technically precise, it isn't art.

    16. Re:115 Megapixels? by itchy92 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm going to dissolve my band and produce all my music in MIDI now.

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    17. Re:115 Megapixels? by markandrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The point is that such scanners are available and are not expensive (relatively speaking). Whether they are any good or not - I have no idea.

    18. Re:115 Megapixels? by shaka · · Score: 1

      Not sure where he gets megapixels from... Each one is 432x432 which is only 186,000 pixels... Any cheap digital camera can do at least 640x480.

      It's cute seeing a Slashdotter (with a lowish userid, too!) who won't even consider the possibility of the posted images being scaled down for the web - even when the size (in MB) of each image is in the caption.

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    19. Re:115 Megapixels? by vidarh · · Score: 1

      It clearly says 1200x4800 optical and 19200 interpolated. In fact all the scanners I looked at did clearly state on the box that the resolution given was the optical resolution, though a handful also stated ridiculous interpolated or "enhanced" resolutions prominently.

    20. Re:115 Megapixels? by Gulthek · · Score: 1

      You speak of MIDI like it's automatically a bad thing.

      Not a sound engineer, eh? ^_^

    21. Re:115 Megapixels? by itchy92 · · Score: 1

      I'm a bit late on the reply, but...

      I of course recognize the versatility and quality of modern MIDI synthesizers, and I'm not an audiophile who demands the "warmth" of real instruments, but there's definitely a difference between analog instruments and synths. I use MIDI for playback of other instruments while I tweak a lead or a solo, but I'm infinitely more satisfied with the tracks I lay down. Perhaps that's just a testament to my shortcomings as a MIDI musician and my semi-pro gear... :)

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  16. Better than in Make for so far by s0l3d4d · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Nice. My first thought was that it would be just one of the many how-to-make-your-own-digital-camera articles that have been around for ages at Make magazine and other similar media... so a lot nicer and more creative than that. And now I want to find an old, old camera, with an old flatbed scanner and try some of that stuff myself.

  17. Dicomed digital camera back.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Back in the early 90's Dicomed introduced a digital camera back for 4x5 cameras for commercial use. It used the same theory, slap a scanner on the back of the camera. You had to use hot lamps, a studio environment and nothing could move. But the results were stunning, 100MB files that could easily be printed on the cover of a 150 line screen magazine. Wonderful.. What is really cool about your work is that you are celebrating all of the motion artifacts that studios were killing themselves to remove when using this technology. Your stuff is pretty creative and fun, and most importantly makes one look at the world differently.

  18. My first digicam by David+Off · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Interesting project, it reminds me of the digital camera I built with a fellow student as a degree project. We ground the top of a 256 byte DRAM using a grinding machine in the mech.eng lab and fitted a glass window. The DRAM capacitors discharge at a different rate when exposed to light. We mounted the chip to a PCB, cut the back out of a 35mm Zenith camera and mounted the PCB. Obviously the optics and chip were poorly matched, we were only using a small part of the lens.

    Knowing the discharge rate of the DRAM and the time to load and scan all 256 elements you could get a black and white image. We used the camera for some image recognition work. One application was counting the number of cups remaining in a drinks machine hopper by edge detecting the image then counting the "lips" that we saw.

    That was back in the autumn of 1986. We've come a long way.

    1. Re:My first digicam by rasilon · · Score: 1

      I would just like to say; That is an ingenious hack!

    2. Re:My first digicam by scharkalvin · · Score: 1

      A co-worker and I did the same thing a few years earlier. I took a 22pin 4k dynamic ram and peeled
      the lid off the top of it (it was a ceramic package with a soldered on lid). I then glued a microscope
      slide cover on top of the chip. I interfaced the chip to my friend's apple-2 computer and he wrote
      software to read the dram multiple times and convert the bits to a bit mapped picture on the apple.
      We could get a few levels of gray scale by the multiple read and timeing technique. The first image
      was that of a 60w bulb focused on the chip. The "60 WATT" label was the first thing we saw
      on the apple screen. It really freaked us out when it worked the very first time! I used a small
      lens out of an POS junk camera view finder. Setting the focus was a bitch!

  19. Open Source Makes It Work by anagama · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Check out this: http://www.scannerphotography.com/cameras/software /index.html

    The scanner software that comes with the scanner he's presently using shuts the thing down if there are hardware faults. All his mods count as hardware faults thus making the shipped driver useless to him. He discusses a closed source pro driver which is a bit better, but still not perfect for his needs. Then explains how he uses SANE to make the thing actually work like he wants.
    The true usefulness of the SANE drivers lies not in the front-end applications, but rather in the fact that the raw code for the back-end is open source. ....I was able, with a bit of practice and programming study, to disable the calibration and error correction routines found in the driver for the Canon LIDE 20. This allowed me to use the more extensively modified scanners easily and effectively, and was vital in letting me create the higher quality photographs of the later-model scanner cameras.

    That's cool -- an artist embarks on getting enough programming language to modify a program so he can use it like he wants to. That's owning your hardware in the purest sense. And it's made possible by the community that generates all that great open source software.
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    1. Re:Open Source Makes It Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's cool -- an artist embarks on getting enough programming language to modify a program so he can use it like he wants to. That's owning your hardware in the purest sense. And it's made possible by the community that generates all that great open source software.

      Karma whore. =P You don't know any of that - in fact, given the fact that he posted to slashdot, and commented quite a few times on the fact that the other solutions he tried were closed-source, I'd say that he was already an open-source fanboy.

    2. Re:Open Source Makes It Work by anagama · · Score: 1

      Fanboy?

      I also modified a program once to serve my needs, although my mod was on software of a much simpler type. I had that option because I could muck about in the source. The fact is, he couldn't modify the closed source drivers, and he could the open ones. Open source puts the power over hardware in the hands of anyone who wants to learn a thing or two. That's empowerment -- not a fanboy rant.

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  20. Mexa-pixels? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "They are well over 100 mexapixel in resolution..."
    Does that mean each pixel can hold 100 mexicans worth of optical information?

    1. Re:Mexa-pixels? by wildsurf · · Score: 5, Funny

      "They are well over 100 mexapixel in resolution..."
      Does that mean each pixel can hold 100 mexicans worth of optical information?


      That's nothing. My camera has a brazilian pixels.

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    2. Re:Mexa-pixels? by Linker3000 · · Score: 1

      You're both nuts!

      My camera has Mangapixels and takes very animated photos

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  21. Two questions. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 2, Funny

    First, what does [apple]-shift-3 do? Apparently in Panther it takes a screenshot, but why is that cool enough to get tattooed on your neck?

    And second, why on earth is this so hot? Mmmmf.

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    1. Re:Two questions. by Rosonowski · · Score: 1

      My reasoning would be a less literal translation:

      'Take a picture'

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    2. Re:Two questions. by jlarocco · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sigh. Only on slashdot. Who cares what [apple]-shift-3 does when this picture is only two pictures to the left.

      I mean, there's a freakin' G5 box in that picture. Those things are awesome ; )

  22. Nice Creative Work! by Whiteox · · Score: 1

    Excellent work! You've created something 'original' and as well, replicating some of the effects of distorted paintings of the 18th century.
    Technically you've cobbled together some cheap equipment to produce interesting timeslices of reality.

    I was thinking that the lenses you have used should create a focused image on the glass? If so, does the image cover the whole area of the glass or just a portion of it?
    Is the focussed image large (A4 size for eample)?

    What if you use the scanning engine from a slide scanner? This way the scanner-camera would be physically much smaller and yet achieve comparable resolution? (and would probably scan faster when required).

    Brilliant work!

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  23. Flatbed scanner on its side by PCheese · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This guy has made some interesting images with a flatbed scanner turned on its side.

    He moves as it scans, creating six-fingered hands, spiraling bodies, and other intriguing distortions.

    http://corz.org/imaging/charged_coupled_device/

    1. Re:Flatbed scanner on its side by PCheese · · Score: 1

      Meh, offtopic? Have you looked at the Oddities Gallery page on TFA?

      the motion of the scanner was meshing with the motion of the recorded scene, creating unexpected, yet predictable, results -- TFA

      That's what these images are all about, though the scanner is used without modification. He just emphasizes movement more than the author of TFA.

  24. Old hat! by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You mean like Technicolor? Or like Autochrome? Or like three-CCD analog camcorders, digital cameras, and digital camcorders?

    Pshaw. Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii did it first.

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    1. Re:Old hat! by drgonzo59 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for Prokudin-Gorskii link. I grew up in Russia but didn't hear much about him. His work is absolutely stunning - to have such great vibrant color photographs taken at the turn of the century!

  25. awww by atari2600 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Abigail Durrant - she's so pretty :) - i am convinced about the technology

  26. Wrong assumtion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure he already knew how to code. He probably just learned the new syntax/language specific to the project. I took 2 years of coding, and there's no way I learned enough to be doing what he did.

    1. Re:Wrong assumtion by nagora · · Score: 2, Funny
      I'm sure he already knew how to code. He probably just learned the new syntax/language specific to the project. I took 2 years of coding, and there's no way I learned enough to be doing what he did.

      Then you should ask for your money back; that's pathetic.

      TWW

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  27. motion distortion by holdp · · Score: 0

    Is well known - it happens with focal plane shutters.
    Much less pronounced of course since an FP scans a
    little faster.

  28. Well, maybe not the first... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like the guy in the article takes it to a new level, but this guy here has been using a scanner as a artistic hand-held photographic device and making some really cool looking images too.

  29. Very interesting! by Kunt · · Score: 1

    The cameras seem to be put together with nothing but spit and scotch tape, but the results are astonishing. I think I'll go and hack my old Epson scanner now!

  30. I can see you're not a photographer by Flying+pig · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The whole point of this kind of photography is that the equipment forces you to work and think in a different way. At that point, working with and against the equipment and conditions is what produces art. No amount of post processing or Photoshop is ever more than an artisanal job, which is why there is no Photoshop fine art.

    You'll find it in Goethe. I can't remember the original word for word, but in effect he says that without working within restrictions we never reach the highest levels of achievement; whoever wants to make something great must submit to the limitations of some medium. This guy has found a restricted medium that can be used to produce something like art. Arguments about megapixels are as irrelevant as arguments about how fine Renaissance artists could grind up their paint.

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    1. Re:I can see you're not a photographer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It reminds me of the 'demoscene' - I was always much more impressed by what amazing effects someone could fit into an 8k or 64k 'intro' then a multi-megabyte 'demo'.

    2. Re:I can see you're not a photographer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be cool to take the "lens" from a pinhole camera and use that to produce the image for the scanner to convert to pixels. Old and new combined!

    3. Re:I can see you're not a photographer by lahvak · · Score: 1

      I completely agree. That's why digital is never going to replace film for me. In the darkroom you learn how to use all the properties of the chemical process and the light and optics and how to make them work for you. You can probably simulate every one of the effects you use with photoshop, but it's not the same. It's simply different media.

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  31. Possible improvement by Nuffsaid · · Score: 2, Funny

    Putting aside for a moment the artistic effects, this project could be turned in a distortion-free ultra-cheap ultra-hi-res digital camera. You only need to "fix" the image so that it stands still while the scanner works. For example, you could expose to light a plate covered with some photo-sensitive chemical (like, for example, a silver halide) and then putting that in front of the scanner. I wonder why nobody thought of this before...

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    1. Re:Possible improvement by Barny · · Score: 1

      Or prehaps see if photoluminecent substances exposed to light for short times would hold enough image to make a fast scan possible? Would be reuseable too as it could have a "discharge" timer that would wait for the surface to be ready again.

      Any chemists care to lend an idea?

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  32. Repeating History by Betabug · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This seems to be actually repeating early developments in professional digital photography. The first digital backs for cameras like the Sinar, and the Arca Suisse were miniaturized flatbed scanners like that. Obviously they were really good only for still life. But still (back in 1992 or so) when I was in photographers school and we visited someone who had one of those backs, we managed a portrait of someone sitting very still. There were little smears where his breathing caused motion.

    Sadly we did not experiment with more motion. I think the "experimenting" with motion is the interesting part (as far as photography is concerned). Some of the pictures on the site are enjoyable. Hacking it all together yourself is interesting too, at least for us geeks.

    As for the comments in the style of "large format photography is only about the image quality"... it isn't exactly only about that. It is also about stuff like parallax control (putting buildings "upright" with parallel lines) and depth of field control (laying the plane of the depth of field folded through the scene in order to allow image to be sharp on other areas). All this can theoretically be achieved even with smaller formats, but due to mechanics it gets harder the smaller the format (Arca Suisse's 6x9cm cameras seem to be the smallest that still work very well, at least in my experience).

    Therefore the "experiments" done with this hack to in a line a bit with stuff like putting ordinary photographic paper into a large format camera or using polaroids for transfer prints. The "long exposure" part of it is also a reference to the times way back, when due to old processes like the daguerreotype, portrait subjects were held up with wire constructions. Very cool, all of this hack, congratulations.

    1. Re:Repeating History by lahvak · · Score: 1

      Well, you can always do tilt and shift in the darkroom, but I agree, it definitely isn't just about the image quality.

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  33. Sorry about posting again, found quote by Flying+pig · · Score: 1
    Thanks be to google. Took longer than expected because Google suggests variant spellings, but in fact I had the right one and it suggested the wrong one!

    So ist's mit aller Bildung auch beschaffen:
    Vergebens werden ungebundne Geister
    Nach der Vollendung reiner Hoehe streben.
    Wer Grosses will, muss sich zusammenraffen;
    In der Beschraenkung zeigt sich erst der Meister,
    Und das Gesetz nur kann uns Freiheit geben.

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  34. This reminds me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of my first bit of experimenting with digital photography in the late 80's using an Amiga computer. You had to sit very still for several seconds if you wanted a decent picture. Moving your head slowly up and down would give "Elephant-Man" portraits.

  35. Similar tinkering by Alkind · · Score: 5, Informative

    Andrew Davidhazy has done similar things at the Imaging and Photographic Technology
    Rochester Institute of Technology years ago. His site is interesting

    http://www.rit.edu/~andpph/

    Many have done the same later on. I got through a Christmas period converting a Umax page scanner to a panorama scanner. It was fun.

    http://www.pigment-print.com/Panorama%20Camera%201 /index.html

    1. Re:Similar tinkering by swb · · Score: 1

      That's kind of cool. You should make them into Quicktime VRs.

    2. Re:Similar tinkering by PartyBoy!911 · · Score: 1

      But no how to guide :-(

  36. Lot of it is frustration in result expectations. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The frustration occurs in that while the exercise is interesting, the tease of having a 115MP camera for pennies, and be just as easy to use as any digicam you can buy nowadays is not there. His camera is cool, but most of us are better served just plunking down the $200 for a Kodak and start snapping away. Many final usable pictures, not an exploratory quest into hacking, is what the most of us want to accomplish.

  37. Erm, you miss the point... by blorg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, maybe he should just strap three of these together and post-process in Photoshop.

    Well, post-processing actually only works on the image you have in front of you. Given that the scanner exposes individual lines in the image over time (e.g. it - "scans") to generate the end image, you would actually need a movie to be able to generate the same effect with post-processing. A movie with very high-quality frames, and an unbelievably high frame rate (effectively you would want a frame for each line, so depending on the scan speed up to perhaps a few thousand frames a second - and then you would throw out the entire frame except the single line you wanted.) The scanner idea is starting to sound better to me.

    On a more general note, this whole attitude is endemic now. Sure you can correct stuff later, but it is generally better in photography to try to get the best image you can at the moment you are taking it; you've then have got a lot more to work with! The phrase "polishing a turd" comes to mind...

  38. Inspirational! by Big+Nothing · · Score: 1

    This is the first HE hack I've seen on /. that made me go "I wanna do that!". Perhaps it's because photography has become a bigger hobby of mine than computers?

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    1. Re:Inspirational! by qwp · · Score: 1

      Or. It's January and you have nothing to do besides start building a camera to use in the summer. ;)

  39. Great Stuff by 07734 · · Score: 1

    I really like the style of your work, I wish I had your enthusiasm. You might be interested in my mate, Angus's work - http://www.serratedimage.com/

  40. Geek Badge by HaveBlue34 · · Score: 1

    You have earned a Photography Geek Badge for your efforts.
    Bravo sir.

    And to anyone who says 'why' or 'whats the point': go stuff yourself.

  41. Tell me what I should be able to code, then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I exaggerated, I only took 3 semesters of C++. Intro, Data Structures, File Structures, and Assembly were the four classes I took. But I was an absolute beginner, I had no years of messing with Basic in High School. I came in with zero knowledge of anything having to do with coding. So with just with this core knowledge, what exactly is the level of code you think I should I be able to crank out? I don't think Linus would be clamoring for my skills anytime soon with this instructional set under my belt.

    1. Re:Tell me what I should be able to code, then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Your assumption is based on the idea that he would learn about the same rate as you. This is wrong for several reasons

      1. People don't learn at the same speed
      2. This guy was learning something very specific
      3. The dedication - this guy had a project he wanted to work, you were taking some classes

      You should be able to code what ever you want - all it takes is the desire and dedication to do it - no formal classes are required. Prehaps the fact you never "messed with Basic" explains why you haven't learned much - you simply aren't interested enough to pursue it yourself.

  42. Talking about high res... by uncl_bob · · Score: 1

    This is one cool site with gigapixel images.

  43. Download the original photos?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can I download the large images? It seems that on the website there are only down-sized images, not the originals...

    TIA

  44. EPROMs by Tune · · Score: 2, Interesting


    I remember reading about a similar attempt using EPROMs in late '80s. In a normal recycling procedure, these were erased by shining a high intensity UV light for a couple of minutes through the glass window that's present in the IC shielding. After making sure all bits are reset, the window is covered by a sticker or label. Then the data is 'burned' and the (typically 256Kb/32KB) ROM was inserted into your BBC micro (insert favorite hobby computer).

    Similar to the process you describe, an image could be gathered by setting all bits to 1 (or actually 0, as EPROMs have negative logic), then waiting for bits to flip. I don't think a lense was used, just a diafragm (dot in piece of black paper). On average, an exposure took 1-4 hours (and resulted in a very poor quality black/white image for current standards) if the scene was bright enough. Lighting the scene with a UV helped a bit, though visible light worked surprisingly well.

    Of course, the whole whing was hardly useful, but remember that - at the time - the average micro had little more periferals than a keyboard, joystick. Mac had a mouse and some MSX systems had support for an analog "gen-locked" camera, BBC had some support for light pens. There may have been handscanners for PC/ATs. So mostly any hardware that would allow translation from analog to digital was greedily welcomed.

  45. Get a Dicomed back NOW! by Boss+Sauce · · Score: 1

    I'm tempted to bid... please, somebody, stop me?!!!!

  46. Mobile phone camera by dimss · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is somehow similar to mobile phone cameras. Some of them are very slow too:

    http://dimss.solutions.lv/samsung-phone-camera.htm l

  47. Awesome stuff! by Aphrika · · Score: 1

    Absolutely fantastic images.

    I'm just wondering if you (or anyone else) has considered changing the speed of the scanner motor so you can do long exposure stuff. Capturing a sunset or something running from top to bottom would look absolutely awesome.

    However, I guess you'd need to stop down dramatically for something like a 15 minute exposure of the sun...

    1. Re:Awesome stuff! by Alkind · · Score: 1

      Main problem is the short dynamic range of most sensors. You have to expose for something in the mid range and pray the rest will stay within that range. The Umax that I have used has a parallel connection and the only driver available was for W95. No Sane or commercial drivers like Vuescan that would drive that scanner. With Vuescan and the internals of an Epson 3200 you could do much more. Vuescan has a one-pass multi-sampling function that slows the scanner a lot while the S/N ratio gets better. Another function of Vuescan is a long exposure scan that does two runs with different exposures and adds the information of the shadow detail to a normal scan. However a rotation panorama camera loaded with color negative film has much more latitude than a digital (scanner) camera. See: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/panorama/camera/voya_ca_e. html

      Usually you have to deal with the high infrared sensitivity of the scanner sensor too. I have used a slide protecter heat shield glass to block the IR but that isn't the best optical filter. At least it allowed semi-color takes with the second version of that panorama camera.

  48. Dupe, happended 7 years ago by j75a · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Dude, you should let me be your slashdot dupe checker. I'm pretty confident that this was on Slashdot the last time it happened. I was a bit impressed by this guys contraptions so I guess I remember the URL, here you go. http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/tech/scanner.html

    1. Re:Dupe, happended 7 years ago by scharkalvin · · Score: 2, Informative

      The guy in the earlier link gutted the scanner and put the guts in a box with
      a lens. In the newer article, the scanner was used as is, but with the lamp
      removed. I like the latter approach better. So this isn't a dupe,
      but a new improved method.

    2. Re:Dupe, happended 7 years ago by kotku · · Score: 1

      4 years ago actually

      - Building a digicam from a scanner -
      http://slashdot.org/articles/02/05/05/1823207.shtm l?tid=99

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    3. Re:Dupe, happended 7 years ago by Alkind · · Score: 1

      Andrew Davidhazy (who never made it to Slashdot:-) was probably the first to use scanner technology for experiments in photography. Much earlier he had done similar things with analoge cameras. Slashdot didn't exist at that time. The stories are of course dupes and it is a pity that an even more original thinker like Davidhazy goes unnoticed to the Slashdot crowd.
      The step from Cirkut rotational panorama cameras of the early 1900's to digital solution based on the same concept isn't so big but Davidhazy did so many other things next to that. It is nice of course to get paid for that kind of creativity. Must be fun to have a prof like that.

  49. The real question.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. how well does this technique work with a handscanner (mouse)?

  50. Coral Cache (just in case) by HazE_nMe · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.scannerphotography.com.nyud.net:8090/
    With that many pictures I would have used the coral cache link in the summary.

  51. Similar effect by processing video by slim · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You can get a similar effect, at much poorer resolution, by processing digital video of a pan. You take a narrow slice out of each frame, and append them together into a scanned image.

    I've played with this and got some images I'm very pleased with. However it's spurred me into wanting to hack some scanner hardware. Unfortunately I'm more comfortable with software than I am with the mechanical...

    I wrote up the video to panorama stuff.

  52. pinhole by nietsch · · Score: 1

    A pinhole camera would fit your needs methinks. Just punch a very small hole in a lighttight box and voila there is your camera. But you will have to figure out your own exposure time though.

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  53. Scanners work for macro digital photography too by Tsu+Dho+Nimh · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I used scanners set to 4800DPI or higher for eXtr33m close-up photography of tiny chips - the depth of field was enough to get the whole thing in focus. The detail was amazing - the mold marks and casting flaws

    You have to set the scan area as small as possible.

    I had to prop the lid open a tiny bit, which left tiny shadows, as if the chips were floating above a white surface.

  54. Amazing scanner use by digitaldc · · Score: 3, Funny

    Site temporarily down - too many people looking! Sorry... I'll sort it out soon. Mike

    Is there anyway to disassemble a scanner to create a fast server?

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  55. Next...Make a Polaroid by xoip · · Score: 1

    Next challenge...strap on an scanner/printer to that camera and take instant pics.

  56. Butt photos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't have to sit on the copy machine anymore.

  57. Scanner as camera by fgb · · Score: 1

    I once did something similar with a scanner. I needed a close-up shot of a keyboard for use as a splash screen for ergonomic software I was working on. I didn't have a digital camera but I did have a scanner, so I took a keyboard and placed it upside-down on the flatbed and scanned it in. I was a little desperate and did not expect a very good image. But I was amazed at the results. The image was perfect!

  58. tilt&shift by airdrummer · · Score: 0

    large format cameras usually do allow perspective correction & depth of field control, since they usually have a bellows between the lens & film, and both of those can be tilted & shifted: putting the film plane parallel to the from of the building, then shifting the lens to make the image fall back on center...

    but t&s is not limited to large & medium format cameras...canon made a t&s lens for its 35mm line.

    1. Re:tilt&shift by Betabug · · Score: 1

      Yes, I remember that Canon lens, I played around with it once in a trade show (though I have not really worked with it). But it exists just to prove my point: It is very limited in what you can actually do. Both tilting and shifting have a very low range and it's just one lens (a wide angle), so limiting the use you can get out of it. It was made for architectural photography mostly (so you can get parallel building lines and maybe "fold" the plane of sharpness a bit "down"). Getting two (or more) focal points exactly right is not easy with such a tiny thing. Mechanics are limiting clearly.

      Have you ever worked with a real large format camera? The difference is immense. With a good camera, the limits of tilt and shift are the limits of the lens being used. Put a big magnifying loupe on and you get the focus very accurate in multiple points across a 3d field.

  59. Infinite cache loop by Artega+VH · · Score: 1

    The page now says:

    "Please Visit my site on this cached mirror... scanner photography"

    Which of course takes you to a page that says:

    "Please Visit my site on this cached mirror... scanner photography"

    And following that link.....

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  60. For his next project... by chinton · · Score: 2, Funny

    Taking apart a scanner and assembling a device to bring down his web server. Oh, wait...

  61. Camera made from a scanner? by slashname3 · · Score: 0

    Camera made from a scanner? Very interesting. But how do you get the subject to mash their face, or other body parts, against the scanning bed? Must be hard to use for group shots. :)

  62. Yet another idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take a similar device to orbit of Earth (or Mars), and use the scanning technique to artificially enlarge the resolution of images taken by satellites. I think they've done it with some Mars probe, but I'm not sure. I'd like to see the whole of Moon mapped with 5 cm / pixel resolution.

  63. "scanning cameras" common in space probes by peter303 · · Score: 1

    The Martian Rovers and Casini use scanning cameras to reduce weight and volume of optics. Works fine if things arent changing too fast.

  64. Mirror? by Easy2RememberNick · · Score: 0

    Slashed and dugg :(

  65. You don't have permission to access / on this serv by osoese · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    thanks

  66. Tour de France by Vorondil28 · · Score: 1

    I remember seeing a photo-finish for one of the stages during the last Tour de France and they used a similar setup. The image was all normal-looking except for the spokes on the bicycles. Instead of radiating out from the hub to the rim in straight lines, they sort of bent upward. Like so. That's not the best example, but you get the idea.

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  67. Cool! Could I use my camera obscura? by fizzup · · Score: 1

    Too bad the site is down, I want to try putting a scanner in my camera obscura (http://members.shaw.ca/mhamilto).

  68. Explanation of funny by AllenChristopher · · Score: 1

    >> A Modern Salvador Dali
    >> (Score:3, Funny) by CarnivorousCoder (872609)
    >> Salvador Dali meets a camera. Brilliant stuff!

    > Why is parent modded funny ?

    Dali died in 1989.

    1. Re:Explanation of funny by frenchbedroom · · Score: 1

      *slaps forehead* Of course ! :)

  69. Used lenses by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    Used view camera lenses can be had at reasonable prices. There's no good reason not to buy a lens that's a century old. 4x5 inch coverage, even 8x10 are not unreasonable. A look at eBay revealed 2 lenses below $160 for 4x5 coverage. You should be able to buy complete view cameras from an antique dealer.

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    1. Re:Used lenses by caveat · · Score: 1

      Totally, old lenses are great, a 50-year old Schneider is going to kick ass...but for exacting macro work, modern glass and coatings are arguably superior to older gear. Don't get me wrong, when I go large-format I'm going used, but for superior close-up stuff it's gonna cost you.

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  70. Camera made from a scanner?-Boob job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Very interesting. But how do you get the subject to mash their face, or other body parts, against the scanning bed?"

    Just tell the women it's an inexpensive mammogram.

  71. But does it play music? by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

    A bit off topic, but do these cameras still have the PLAY TUNE command?
    "The HP ScanJet 4c's SCL (Scanner Control Language) command set includes an unofficial PLAY TUNE command."
    Check it out: Scanjet Music :) Check out the video!

  72. Macro with scanner by Smallest · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My wife used to have a jewelry business, and I did all the product photography for her.

    At first I tried using film; but the turnaround time, even with 1-hour developing is a drag, because it's tough to get everything Just Right, when you're dealing with highly-reflective and very small objects. So, we discovered that it's much easier to just drop the stuff onto a flatbed scanner and do a hi-res scan. The old HP scanner I had at the time had a really deep depth-of-field and a nice wide, diffused light source, so even non-flat pieces came out very nice. And, you could stick colored paper or cloth on top of the product for fun backgrounds - propped-up a bit if you needed to get the background out of focus.

    Then that scanner died and I couldn't find another scanner that would duplicate the DOF and diffused light source. So I bought a digital camera.

    But, boring story short: if you can find a scanner with the right DOF, you can do some really great macro stuff with it. 4000dpi at 1:1 shows a surprising amout of fine detail.

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  73. Amen! by Old+Man+Kensey · · Score: 1
    blorg wrote:

    Sure you can correct stuff later, but it is generally better in photography to try to get the best image you can at the moment you are taking it; you've then have got a lot more to work with! The phrase "polishing a turd" comes to mind...

    I would mod parent up, but a) I have no mod points right now and b) it's already at 5.

    I saw a ton of this when I worked at Kinko's. People would bring in crappy ripped-up, stained, faded and overexposed wallet photos for enlargement. They didn't want to understand that crappy input like that = crappy output. We could do basic stuff like white correction (one guy liked the white-corrected copy I made for him better than the original photo) and maybe if a customer really begged for it, red-eye editing, but any kind of complicated restoration was beyond us.

    But by God, they had seen the whiz-bang scanner commercials on TV! The guy on TV just clicked a button and everything looked brand-new! Why won't you serve me, I'm a customer dammit! What do you mean a 100x50 JPG, won't look good when you blow it up to 60"x30"? (Actually happened. I had to print an 8x10 section of the enlarged image before the guy would believe me when I told him how crappy it would look.)

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  74. Mirroring Help!!! (SITE'S BACK UP) by majk_g · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, I didn't expect that to happen... My bandwidth limit was drastically exceed this morning. As you know. Luckily, some great people have offered me a bit of help... so you can see the project again. I've put up a link on ww2w.scannerphotography.com Thanks so much for looking at my work... I hope you enjoy it! Mike Golembewski

  75. Wow... by trogdor8667 · · Score: 1

    I know I'm not the first person to say this, but those images are amazing. I think it's wonderful that you've been able to do this.

  76. MUCH more interesting than an iPod... by wcrowe · · Score: 1

    This is MUCH more interesting than an iPod in a geiger counter.

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  77. Gaffer's Tape = Duct Tape by SoupIsGood+Food · · Score: 2, Informative

    Next time try some Gaffer's Tape... reknowned in the studio photography world to stick like a sumbitch, leave no residue when peeled away, and block light completely. It's a high-threadcount black cotton tape with masking tape adhesive, and it realy is dark-safe.

    SoupIsGood Food

    1. Re:Gaffer's Tape = Duct Tape by Greg+Newton · · Score: 1

      "leave no residue when peeled away"

      Ha! I wish!

      Leave it on for any length of time and it'll leave it's adhesive behind. You only have to look at the marks of the floor of many studios and stages where it's been used to hold cables down to know just likely it is leave marks.

      Still incredibly useful stuff though...

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  78. Put it on a turntable and for 360 degree panoramas by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    ...At that kind of resolution, panning across the Grand Canyon might give some pretty impressive results...

  79. The Art of Slashdot by SloppyElvis · · Score: 1

    Someone should invent a camera that can capture the flow of comments posted to Slashdot...

    I don't know about any of you - aside from your witty sigs - but I do know that I looked at every shot posted on the linked website, and I found them to be encaptivating. This project is both creative and thought-provoking, and I wish I'd thought of it first. Bravo, I say.

    These shots should be on dorm room walls in no time...

  80. Scanners.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like scanners aren't hard enough to install already!
    Seriously, though, this is amazing. The DIY thing is getting a new life, possibly as a result of all this crap that we have laying around that was 1997's big thing.
    I picked up a Make mag last week, and recommend it highly. Will I build everything in the book? Hell no, but, it does change one's perspective on what exactly is junk.

  81. 1980s consumer compu-cams worked same way by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Mid-1980s low-rez bw consumer computer-tethered cameras worked the same way.

    It was fun to appear on one part of the image, run around the camera, and be scanned a second time.

    Look ma, I've got a twin brother!

    Interestingly, most 35mm SLR cameras work the same way in high-speed mode:
    The shutter in effect has a slit that slides across the film. The speed is way too fast for most artistic use, but you can see it for yourself by taking a flash photo with the film speed set too high - only part of your photo will be "flashed" - the rest wasn't "in the window" until after the flash ended.

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  82. You can distort with a 35mmSLR too by cellocgw · · Score: 2, Informative

    35mm SLRs have mechanical shutters. Most (not all) work by releasing two curtains in sequence. The first retracts from one side to the other, letting light reach the film. The second extends in the same direction shortly thereafter, covering the film again. What you get, then, especially for short exposures, is a negative which was exposed at different times from one edge to the other. Normally you can't see this effect, but it is possible to capture (or miss, depending on the direction of motion) highspeed events in the field of view.
    Essentially the shutter mechanism is acting like a mechanical line-scan.

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    1. Re:You can distort with a 35mmSLR too by Tim+Doran · · Score: 1

      Great post.

      Many SLR's actually perform in both modes - for slower shutter speeds, they open completely and then close. Beyond a certain shutter speed (called the x-sync, typically 1/60th sec) they switch to the leading/trailing curtain model you describe.

      The x-sync is an important number - it's the fastest shutter speed on a given camera for which you can use a flash. Using a flash above the x-sync speed produces an illuminated band partway through the picture... this band is the open portion of the two shutters at the moment the flash goes off.

      Ah, analog technology...

  83. Re:large format by airdrummer · · Score: 0

    never had the plea$ure of using a large format camera, betabug;-) nothin like an 8x10 contact print 4 detail, tho;-) i've got an old 2.25 bronica, but no t&s there...and i sure do miss kodachrome25;-) otoh, i'm trying 2 get panotools working on osx...that's the closest i'm gonna get 2 perspective correction... and then there's hdr...i'm sure depth of field could b synthesized just as multiple exposures can b combined...

  84. Distortions happen on some traditional film camera by lahvak · · Score: 1

    This kind of distortion is actually not new, it has been known to happen on some traditional film cameras with sliding shutter.

    The sliding shutter always moves with the same speed, and high speed (short time) shutter is created by narrowing the openning slit in the shutter that passes in front of the film, usually in horizontal direction. This has exactly the same effect as the scanner, for exactly the same reason. The only difference is that the shutter moves very fast, which makes the effect noticable only when taking picture of very fast moving objects with very fast "shutter speed" (meaning the slit is very narrow). There are some pretty famous shots using this effect.

    Cool pictures, though.

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  85. cool art, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    do you have any clearer pictures of this Abigail Durrant? She's teh HAWT! ;-)

  86. What a concept by RomulusNR · · Score: 1

    ...[T]he objects that were moving were twisted and distorted into wonderful shapes. At first, I thought that this was a mistake, that something was wrong with my new contraption. But I soon realized that the motion of the scanner was meshing with the motion of the recorded scene, creating unexpected, yet predictable, results.

    Someone needs to tell him that slit-scan photography has already been invented.

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    1. Re:What a concept by RomulusNR · · Score: 1

      As well as scanner photography.

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  87. slit and strip photography by capsteve · · Score: 2, Interesting
    kodak came out with a panoramic camera called the cirkut, and images were captured by moving the lense with respect to the film plane, essentially a shutter slit that was constantly exposing a new supply of film. because the shutter was a travelling slit, one could capture some bizzare images if the subject was in motion.


    combine this with some really wild slit/film configurations, and you can get some interesting images... check out what andrew davidhazy is doing with moving slit photography, especially some of this stuff. he even has some articles discussing scanner derived camera backs here and here

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  88. Dishonest Description by hogfat · · Score: 1

    "The objects in the scene that were stationary photographed normally, while the objects that were moving were twisted and distorted into wonderful shapes. At first, I thought that this was a mistake, that something was wrong with my new contraption." He can't be serious. He goes through all the trouble of constructing a method for scanning the real world and doesn't even realize the fact that he's going to have an incredibly long, non-uniform exposure? Does he lack a fundamental grasp on how scanners and photography work?

  89. Congratulations, you've reinvented the MK-3 by way2trivial · · Score: 1

    http://www.panoscan.com/Advantage/index.html
    "These Sony sensors were originally designed for inexpensive doccument scanners. "

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  90. use for astronomy/telescopy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Such high resolution imaging seems to be very suitable for telescopy.
    The temporal scanning factor (if highly exaggerated in software) could also be a useful way to observe the effect of earth's rotation on the night sky.

    I would also like to see images, scanned vertically, of stationary objects rotating very slowly on a lazy susan.

  91. One word: interpolation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many of the low priced scanners will claim a high dpi, but hidden somewhere underneath they then mention it's interpolated. They never mention the true dpi.

  92. Bah! Why go to all that trouble ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... it's much easier to just shove your subject hard up against the scanner & click "Scan"!

    http://users.tpg.com.au/users/scottie7/cousins.htm l

    See! :)

  93. How 'bout a 140 megapixel camera? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0