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Holograms Help Protect Super Bowl
Apache4857 writes to tell us CNet is reporting that Homeland Security agents monitoring the Superbowl will be doing so in 3D. Using streams from two cameras, the LifeVision 3D system is able to project images onto a 20-inch screen that is equipped with a depth tube. This depth tube makes images appear to rise 30 inches off the screen and sink 30 inches into the screen allowing real world volumes and distances to be displayed accurately. Using this system security officials will be able to search sidewalks, monitor faces, and even peer under vehicles.
If there's a terrorist attack like the Bush Administration expects, how will it get reported? Last I checked the news was still in HDTV and not Holovision.
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Jem and the Holograms will perform at the half-time show.
We've all been waiting for this for a long time. I've heard of speakers like kurzeil using similiar technology to give speeches across the world. Now how long till this replaces standard tv?
this isnt a hologram.
(i know hologram sounds cool, but you cannot call any crap that has some stereoscopic view that way)
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Maybe the agents just want to view the wardrobe malfunctions in 3-D.
I'd still prefer it if they had a couple of battalions of actual human beings out there. I doubt that the cost / benefit analysis has been done for this. Probably just makes people think they are being watched which will either make them feel secure or vindicated about their Orwellian nightmares. They'll all be checking out womens cleavages anyway...
I think this is a really good use of funds. Well, at least I would if I too were feeding at the trough.
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Paul
The two-dimensional thing called offensive line protects Roethlisberger well enough. Who needs 3D?
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...that an icon of the engine of the mass entertainment and distraction that has rendered public discourse pureile is being monitored by the kinds of devices that public discourse, if it existed, would profoundly reject.
This is massively cool and all, but how is it helpful to peer under vehicles? You don't need 3D for that, and 3D won't help if the cameras are too high above ground... Anyway, they'll just use it to peer under skirts, like we would.
What the hell is this technology doing being deployed in a security role? The rule is : ALL COOL TECH IS DEVELOPED FOR PORN! It then trickles down into other mundane uses, like saving our lives.
Nothing is too elaborate to protect us from Janet's Terror-Boobs!
I only skimmed the article, so maybe I missed it, but what are taxpayers paying for this system that still will not stop someone from strapping a ring of explosives under their coat?
Even if they can "pear under vehicles", they won't have any additional information that is available on the video screen. The advantage with a 3D environment is have a better perception of what the 2D image is recording. It doesn't provide any additional information (unless one of those cameras is infrared or better yet, baggage scanner from an airport).
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Net result in security: nil.
Bruce Schneier has some excellent things to say about "security" measures that defend against movie-plot threats. If you don't read Crypto-Gram yet, go sign yourself up, and learn how counter-intuitive reality can be.
(You might also think about how little you should trust your own intuition, and then deduce things about people who boast of theirs... but I don't want to interfere with domestic political matters :)
The Super Bowl is a game played by privately owned teams. It brings in hundreds of millions in revenue for the NFL from advertising.
Tell me again... why do taxpayer dollars have to pay for security at this game? Let the NFL pay for their own damn security. Or is the NFL technically a "foreign country"?
speak europe to me!
How about using all these resources for something useful.. like ending hunger.. or curing some illness.. or even going to mars..
its a f-ing BALL GAME.. geesh.
ya, i know i know.. mod me down..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Nothing beats 3D porn. Why people like us are deprived of it, while the Homland security can watch Janet Jackson's breasts in 3D?!
Oh wait.. this year, its Jagger!
The article makes this technology look like some otherwordly system for perception; they specifically cite Star Wars. My first question was how effective this could be. The article was very scant on technical details: When you're constructing 3D images from multiple view points, you aren't probably doing too much to improve the overall resolution of the image. And, unless you are starting with very high resolution cameras to begin with (and ones with coordinated zoom capabilities), I suspect that what you get is a very expensive and cool looking toy without enough detail to actually be of any help.
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Paul
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you need LASERs to make a Hologram? IIRC, you need a laser or two for making the Hologram and another to show it.
It is a fucking high porfile ball game with tens of thousands of people attending it and being watched by hundreds millions of people. If you want to kill a lot of people and have it seen live on TV around the world, the Super Bowl is the place to do it. You couldn't pick a better target in terms of mass death and live coverage. They are not protecting it because they love football. They are protecting it because it is a big gleeming target with a bulls eye on it.
Sort of.. You need a light source, and that can be a laser, but I don't believe it has to be.
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because we think it is important. So we pour millions of dollars in taxpayer funded security when the terrorists might as well go to the basketball game next door (or a mall) to do their dirty work. Not only is it easier but we end up buying useless 3D remote cameras to look under cars. I swear the government has been watching too much TV about govt. super agents.
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Looking at the rather skimpy article, it doesnt appear to be a hologram, any more then the special effects were in the movie it references.
holograms *require* interferrence patterns.. i dont see that happening with this product.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
I'll have to trash my business plan for a security firm that specializes in "Politics on Ice" shows.
So all those cameras are just there for the normal surveillance and not to actually compare faces to pictures of bad-guys.
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You bring up a good point. When they say peer under, I suspect they mean look straight through as if laying on the ground twenty feet away. Now, that's not exciting.
You are not going to see the undercarriage of a car, or of a skirt-donning femme. As Stevie Wonder put it, you can't turn nothing into something... Without some vantage point from a camera actually on the ground looking up, you can infer nothing and cannot create the image of the underside of the target.
This sounds like a severe case of security theater (or budding fascism depending on how you see it).
Nahh, just reading too much Tom Clancy
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But there will be more wealthy people at the super bowl than at that basketball game or mall. Who else pays those ticket prices?
A cost/benefit analysis was done and we found that this project is very wortwhile (to us)!
James Fischbach,
CEO of Intrepid Defense & Security Systems
They had this for years. It was at the 1936 Berlin Olympic games.
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"When an event is designated a National Special Security Event, the Secret Service assumes its mandated role as the lead agency for the design and implementation of the operational security plan."
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Tell me why we're sending tax-paying volunteers called US Military into dozens of countries, routing and killing terrorists?
Oh yeah, it's because the threat is to Americans (and our allies...but they're not first priority). Would you rather have the poorly funded and undermanned law enforcement/military of countries such as Iraq take care of the threats to United States citizens & soldiers?
Then I suppose I shouldn't be deployed to Iraq right now, nor should all of my brothers in arms.
You want something done right? You've gotta do it yourself.
What else can happen when an unstoppable force collides with an immovable object?
I believe this rote is called Virtual Holography.
Sir, uh, we need $150,000 for a holographic 3D TV to watch the Superbowl on. For uh, national security.
Oh yeah, and... we need $1,000 for a large order of chicken wings. Those bad guys might try to poison those. We want to be the first to know.
And some beer. No reason for that one, just thought I'd ask.
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Exactly. When will someone (or a bunch of actors) take the next step and show up at the airport with all their baggage (which is really a bunch of package bombs, and they really don't have any plans to check it in anyways), in line say at El Al in La Guardia or Kennedy, and set off the bombs in the ticket line area? Even sicker would be entire family groups recruited to do the dirty deed (but only with one person in the family knowing of the plan).
Or drive a truck bomb at the same time at any airport with a departure area above the arrival area (like SeaTac, PDX, et al), again, during a busy holiday period when the deck is crammed with cars (as well as people waiting to pick up below), and blow it up?
So then we push the security fences even further out so that cars are examined before getting into the airport area per se. OK, so now the choke points are even further out and even more centralized, and a whole lot harder to check efficiently.
All it would take is one instance of this at an airport to seriously screw up air travel within the US far more so than 9/11 did.
Granted, it is hard to see that an airport has quite the "symbolism" as the WTC did, but if El Queso's intent is to seriously screw up the US into a logistical bundle of knots, this would be one serious way to do it. But I can see one of the fixes now. To drive to the terminal areas, you must show ID and your "reservations", so Mr Terrorist just has copies of old on-line boarding passes made that have been photoshopped sufficiently, because no one will be willing to tie in all the airlines' reservation systems to allow verification of these things, or at least nothing that wouldn't take some period of time, and will still be gameable.
Not as glamorous as blowing up the Golden Gate bridge or caving in the Hudson & Lincoln tunnels, but far, FAR more effective. The Super Bowl happens once a year, and we can live without it. But seriously exposing the sham that airport security is in a big f'ing way, now, that will seriously cause some problems that we just are not prepared to handle.
Tell me again... why do taxpayer dollars have to pay for security at this game? Let the NFL pay for their own damn security. Or is the NFL technically a "foreign country"?
To the extent that the government shouldn't be involved in doing special favors for various private interests, I agree with you. However, the job of Homeland Security isn't just to protect public buildings (the White House, Capitol, etc.); it's to protect the *public*, no matter where the public is. The police provide security for political party conventions, for example, because some of the public is there, and they are definitely a target. The federal government provides security at airports because a lot of the public flies, even though everyone flies on private airlines. Today, the government provides security for lots of skyscrapers in cities, even though most of them house private, corporate offices (the World Trade Center did).
The government will provide security, at least in theory (and the public should make sure it happens in practice), to whoever needs it, whether it's the NFL or anyone else. If you decide to have a large gathering of people that should be considered a terrorist target, Homeland Security is supposed to be there to protect you, even though your gathering may not be a public function, because A) terrorists do not only want to attack government targets (as 9/11 demonstrated) and B) it is good for society if large gatherings of people can happen without being completely vulnerable to attack.
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There is a real danger for people watching this, both in the dome as on TV. People will be dying from boredom.
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Terrorists strike only military / government / industrial targets. Bombing civilians and civilian populations is solely the domain of state governments.
Terrorists just don't have the kind of funds to waste bombs like that. They have to chose very carefully what to attack. Bombing some stupid football game would only turn public opinion against them, which is not tactical nor strategic.
Flying a plane into the Pentagon, now that is something else entirely. That's a bonafide military target with a power they are formally at war with. I don't think Osama or any other terrorist has any bone to pick with any major league football team. For one, no football team has every invaded and bombed or exploited their country and killed their women and children and friends and family. No, those football players and their silly fans can beat themselves senseless and play in peace for as much as its worth.
The superbowl is less about football and more about statistics and gambling anyway. In fact, I'd say its just about all about statistics and gambling now.
Terroists want to strike at the centeres of hated oppressors, spiritual corrupters, exploiters, and criminal organizations. While I'm sure the Superbowl powers that pull the strings behind the show (the mafia?) fit all those bills, its not their target nor ever really will be.
Unless theres some disenfranchised regiaonal American croquet league out there that has been run into the ground by the football leagues, its not going to happen. A total waste of resources and another example of American bumbling security ineptitude.
I myself don't want your security. I am quite comfortable living in a rough and tumble world of chance, which no mater how many police you put on the streets or how many of my civil liberties you try to take away, its still going to be anyway. I don't need to feel "secure". Life inherently is not secure. Who's going to protect you from old age and death, or you children for that matter. No one. Its the nature of reality.
Don't be fooled into giving away the farm (your liberties and privacy) for bag of worthless magic beans (false promises that you are more secure).
I'm sure the security team did not buy it. Instead this Press release was given out, using the NFL and Superbowl as some sort of legitimizing example of in the field use.
I'm almost certain that it is sitting there, turned off... with 3 beers sitting on it.
The analogy should read: "Why should police, technology, and the media focus on the safety of one stadium(say 25k+ people) versus another of the odd 100-1000's of other stadium(25k+ people)? " It seems like the superbowl is given a lot more public attention than other another 25k grouping of people. Could this be just a way to guarantee that the football game goes as planned-so all television commercial slots will be seen as planned. Imagine the horror of a scare/bomb going off and then losing all the commercial spots. There is a lot of money riding on those commercials. I might be crazy, but it can *almost* see there viewpoint. Do you think any of this 'works'?
This is something I haven't been able to confirm myself, but I know someone who said among the best times to do something criminal would be during the Superbowl, outside the Superbowl. Eye witnesses at a minimum as so many is inside/there watching, and possibly even police forces being somewhat fewer, especially in the vicinity.
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Did anyone else other than myself first read the title as "Hooligans Help Protect Super Bowl"? I could see DHS temporarily importing some hard core football fans from the U.K. to handle security. At the least sign of trouble, they would be all over the terrorists with beer bottles, hot dogs, stadium seating, and whatever else they could use as improvised weapons.
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Just an idea
Right, because TV never takes a cue from reality, and fact and fiction never overlap or coincide. It's impossible that the largest annually televised event in the world would be a target, because it's so obvious. We should be securing pee wee league games instead.
Also, as I said in another post, it's doubtful the technology was developed exclusively for the Super Bowl, but rather it's a publicity opportunity for the companies/government to showcase new technology. Whether it's effective or not is another thing.
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And of course.... a tank big enough for the two friggin' sharks.
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Peering under cars from cameras that are above head level, and presumably much higher up than that? I must say, that is some pretty impressive technology there.
Funny how the article linked says NOTHING AT ALL about peering under cars. So, is it a sensationalist submitted headline? Something the editor made up and added? A line from a different article? What?
Equip the stadium with rotary blades in case it needs to make a quick getaway?
I'm sorry but that's just too fucking cool to be said and not do anything about.
"hypothetical station-wagon full of stereotypical evil bearded Muslim fundamentalists (possibly with swords between their teeth and eyepatches?"
hey -- wasn't that a scene in Animal House when they attacked the parade with a big cake?
"3D holographic imaging! Take our word for it: it looks cool!"
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Do I sell a whole new niche of 3D Up Skirts.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
Hmm looks like my first comment was posted earlier even though Slashdot said there was an error.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
Depth tube? How long does that take to warm up?
It appears Ockham lost his razor and grew a beard.
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There were quite a few dodgy referee decisions in that game. I can't believe they gave Pittsburgh that first touchdown. The ball never even touched the line. And no, I'm not a Seattle fan, I'm not even from the States.
Thank God the Departement of homeland Securty is there to keep the terrorists from coming in and rooting for the Seahawks.
I searched around and came up with nothing useful. Can someone explain what a "Depth Tube" is and how it works? Call me skeptical, but a CRT capable of displaying 3D images without glasses sounds very novel to me.
This company (LifeVision) does not seem to have an obvious web presence, either.
Something seems pretty fishy here...
I have had a little experience and agree with you and with the parent.
Let me explain.
I had a house that seemed to be a burglar magnet. It had lots of windows and outbuildings and was on a couple of acres, and there were open fields across the road and behind me, and on one side there was a church (on the corner). So there was relatively little chance any neighbors would see and report suspicious activity. Anyway, first most of the easily pawned tools and equipment was stolen out of the garage, and the back door into the house was busted, but nothing stolen from inside. Later a window frame and all was pried off the house, still there was not much worth stealing.
I did get paranoid and considered alarm systems, survelliance, traps, beefing up all the doors and windows, etc. I did put some lights and a stereo on timers, and did make sure that the easiest ways in had locks and latches as much as possible. I had a couple of girls living with me at the time and they were somewhat scared that someone would break in while they were there and rape or kidnap them. I even missed some work trying to mix up the pattern of visible vehicles in the driveway.
Realizing that the over reaction to the perceived threat was becoming worse than the actual risk I did go two weeks without locking the front door when I was at work. In my mind I had to imagine that the cost of replacing another door and frame was more than the value of anything left to steal. That two weeks was weird, but had the desired effect on me to get back into a more realistic mode of thinking, keeping me from getting into a pathologically paranoid pattern of behavior. End result there was no more burglaries, the burglars were either never coming back anyway, or came back without damaging or stealing anything.
Another time I was working on a ragtop convertible for a friend of my mother. The guy that owned it was afraid someone would steal his radio and locked the doors, but that only resulted in the top being cut adding to the cost of replacing the radio. While I was working on it I had the radio out anyway, but left a couple of old junk 8-track tape players sitting inside, first one, then another when the first one disappeared. Nothing else was stolen, and no need to replace the top.
Anyway, when analyzing the utility of a response to a percieved threat, one needs to rationally determine whether the obvious reaction, has any real benefit. Often enough what seems like the most apparent solution can easily become part of the problem.
One more example that I have heard of, but not from personal experience. Wireless cameras. You know, the one X10 promotes, and similar, also baby monitors. Seems like if you can monitor the hallway, side of the house, other rooms, without getting up that you might somehow be more secure by being aware of something you ordinarily would not be able to see, right? No! Apparently there are lots of burglars that use portable receivers, and when they pick up a signal from one of those cameras they get first of all the information that here lives someone with something worth protecting. Second, they get at the least a camera to steal and take to the pawnshop. Third, they can monitor whether any one is home. And best of all, they know that if you have money to waste on cameras, then you probably have lots of other stuff that they can steal.
Common sense often is only just common usually, and rarely is it really sensible.
If you watched the game, they had a shot of Condoleeza Rice there. While I appreciate the sentiment, that might be why.
A quick search on google for "lifevision3d" comes up with http://www.intrepiddefense.com./ There's even a picture: http://www.intrepiddefense.com/index_files/Page392 .html
Of course the picture doesn't show anything interesting except a box labled "Patent Pending U.S. Government Security Prototype"
The funniest thing is the url. Page392.html? Come on...don't tell me with all the money they're spending on this they have someone making a site in Microsoft Publisher. *view source* wow...
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I read the article and could only see pictures when I clicked one of the links referred in the article.
I'm disappointed to see that an article talking about some cool "viewing" device has no pictures of such device. The one of Chuck Close showed in the 2nd link was only a 8 1/2 x 11 picture of him (which was at the SF MoMa until recently) and does not portrait the large screen viewing devices mentioned in the article.
Getting paid big bucks to watch the big game. Where do I apply for this job?
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It's a principle of diminishing returns. Largely I agree with you. You may be a bit over the top with illistrating your statements, but there are some rather dense people out there.
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You're not thinking far enough outside of the (eye) box. The interference pattern in the hologram isn't of the images being presented. The hologram just determines which image reaches which eye.
0 2_Paper_Final.pdf which describes the basic process.
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See page 9-10 of: http://www.med-smart.org/publications2003/ITEC_20
Having worked for this company, I can attest to the fact that the technology does work. Gaylord Moss was their holographer when I was there.
There really is a hologram involved. No lasers are mentioned, because no lasers are needed in this configuration.
However, having left the company along with all of the technical personnel on the project at the time after they didn't pay me, I can also attest to the fact that they probably aren't going anywhere fast.
I at least got to get it set up to play Quake 3 before I left.
This is not a troll.
Sanity is a sandbox. I prefer the swings.
The parent poster may be a demented freak, but then again, the Israeli MFA site seems to support his facts:
Menachem Begin was the commander of the Etzel (his relation to the bombing incident is on paragraph 3), and according to the Etzel museum, responsible to the King David hotel bombingI'm purely arguing about the definition. It does not matter whether it works or not, it only matters whether an interference pattern is created. Since one is not, therefore it's not a hologram by definition. It can still work using a different method :)
More to the point, I don't recall the Birmingham Six being terrorists.
Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
So we pour millions of dollars in taxpayer funded security when the terrorists might as well go to the basketball game next door (or a mall) to do their dirty work. Not only is it easier but we end up buying useless 3D remote cameras to look under cars. I swear the government has been watching too much TV about govt. super agents.
Exactly. It is far easier for the administration to do the gee-whiz technology stuff than to do the really hard stuff required to fix the problem at the root. Because terrorists could attack literally anywhere it is virtually impossible to defend against determined attackers. Rather than spending billions on 3D cameras, electronic data mining and domestic surveillance, which only give us a false sense of security, it would be much better to focus our resources on figuring our exactly why these extremists are being spawned in certain cultures in the first place, and then fixing THAT problem.
America used to be incredibly ignorant and insensitive to Muslim religion (such as when we named military systems "Crusaders"). We know that there was no religious intent in those names, but many Muslims did not. Of course there are some policies we cannot and should not change, but there are also many policies which don't make one bit of diffrence to us that could be changed to improve the world's perception of America. There are even policy changes (no torture or rendition) that would be MORE in line with our American ideals AND reduce the creation of new terrorists. Changing bad policy is the way to stop terrorist attacks, not 3D cameras and predator drones. Unfortunately that takes a competent administration that actaully thinks about issues rather than just calling out the military, torturing suspects, and screaming "Security" every thirty seconds.
I'm not soft on terrorists - hunt them down, try them in courts and put a bullet in their heads. Good riddance. But we also have to do whatever it takes to prevent more of them being created. If your basement is flooding, the first thing to do is turn off the water - not buy a million dollar 3D camera to spot the leaks.
I bet i give more then the average person. And i do live a spartan life, as much as is practical in the 21st century and still provide an income to provide for my family, with adopted children.
When was the last time you donated blood, plasma.. ( and didnt take the $ in return ) or just time? I didnt see you out helping out after the last natural disaster, did I?
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With this new 3D technology, the incompetence really comes through with great clarity.
I still don't understand how this is going to improve security.
/Mad
Being able to see under cars... why don't they just use the old technique of "extended reflective imaging"? Ie a mirror on a stick.
Also, at which point do these fake holograms help spot the the guy with a beard and a rather large jacket, or the two blokes with rucksacks?
Sounds like a waste of money to me. Would have been better to spend the 100's of thusnads of dollars on more Icams, yup, that;s right, people walking around the stadium looking with their own eyes.
And btw, when is the Superbowl. Must be soon as there is an awful lot of adverts on tv about it.
Did they catch anybody?
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The only good thing about the Super Bowl is the commercials.
And you can download them from this site, too.
...the term Stereogram is so 19th century... and less likely to be understood as "3D pictures" by anyone under 60.
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An interference pattern is present and utilized, just not changed.
There is a nice little screen of good old silver halide with an interference pattern on it sitting in front of the user.
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... Joe Lunatic with his suitcase dirty bomb will blow himself and 100 people up, contaminating the entire city while Homeland Security jerks off with its new 3D scanner at the Superbowl.. thus proving that all this heightened 'security' is a joke.
Seriously, what's the real likelihood that any terrorist will now try to ram a commercial airliner into a skyscraper? Pretty well zero. It's been done, and is just too obvious in hindsight. Terrorists would just be stupid to actually focus on the Superbowl, when it's obviously got such tight security. Makes for a great distraction, though, while they focus on some other highly-populated target. Sigh.
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Jedi master: You want to go home and rethink your life.
Junkie: I want to go home and rethink my life.
Oh... you mean depth tubes....
The website is hokey and loaded with marketing platitudes - and that's it. I think something is really fishy here. I don't believe this is even a real product - and I'm questioning whether or not it was used at the superbowl _at all_ and whether someone just fabricated all of this for the press.
Why don't people get more skeptical about this stuff? Doesn't it seem weird to people that people have tried to make 3D displays that don't require glasses for ages, and the best people have come up with is lenticular lenses over a flat LCD screen? How could some company come out of nowhere with little fanfare and make a 3D CRT? Why would this type of company even deserve any press on slashdot, let alone the newswires of the world, without some PROOF of this concept?
I certainly hope not, considering who the halftime show is!
How disturbing...
The biggest threat to america is not from attacks, but the things people, organisations and goverments do in response to those attacks.
And this... well it scares the crap out of me. How long before they just throw in a few other things, compare your writing style to that of known murderers.
Mabie I'm getting a bit too close to the tin-foil hat people here, but... this really would be the goverment spying on everyone, even if it is just public information. I'm sure the outcry would be higher if they started to use satelites to track everyones movement for 'terorist' like movements.