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Cell Phone Tracking In the UK
jvlb writes "The BBC reports on cell phone tracking systems now available in Britain. The correspondent addresses the privacy and security issues that ensue." From the article: "With more and more children owning mobile phones, special attention needs to be given to who can track them. If you are not a genuine parent or guardian, the code requires location services to check that both the tracker and the person being tracked can prove they are consenting adults. Mr Macleod says: 'The person that is to be located has to demonstrate to the service provider they are at least 16 years old.'"
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I don't know how many 16-year-old teenagers would give consent to being tracked, while on the other hand, those need being tracked the most (under 10 or so) cannot legally allow parents to do so?
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Big Brother is alive and well across the Pond. I wonder if they want George Bush to make up for what happened in the American Revolution? :P
TFA mentions several reasons as to why one would want to use this service, viz. tracking your employees or your children. Oh, whatever did we do before this technology came to save us? It seems to me that while some technology I would deem harmful (such as most surveillance tech) does have its uses - if criminals communicate via email, then the police should be able to read their email (with a warrant). However, this is one area where this does not apply. Giving your child a cell phone does not make them harder to keep track of, thus warranting use of this technology. On the contrary; just call the kid.
I think potential for abuse, in this case, outweighs whatever good may come from this. Please, kill this market by not using their service. Please.
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This is quite commonly used in the UK, lots of companies provide the service with connections in to the main networks... it's used for all kinds of things - a service I used last week allowed you to dial a number and be connected to the nearest taxi operator, fantastic for when you're out in the middle of London...
In Norway they are using assisted GPS (GPS on mobiles with data / maps coming over GPRS or 3G) and can provide directions to your nearest doctor or supermarket or whatever right down to 10 metre accuracy.
BTW, the guys providing this service do so through MX Telecom (juding by the short code in the picture - 88600) - http://www.mxtelecom.com/lbs.
Look, nobody says you have to leave your mobile phone turned on. Nobody says you even have to HAVE a mobile phone. If you don't want to be tracked, turn it off.
It's quite possible to get into an emergency situation without knowing exactly where you are. Street numbers are often difficult to find in commercial areas. I have long wished I could tell the emergency services, "Just triangulate on my signal to find me." Now I can.
This is a good idea, period. If it were compulsory, THAT would be bad.
"The person that is to be located has to demonstrate to the service provider they are at least 16 years old."
"Hello, operator? My buddy Jim is late, and I'm a bit worried about him, can you track him down for me?"
"Certainly sir, just a moment."
Calls Jim's phone
"Hello, Jim? This is the operator, someone wants to track you. We need your concent and proof you're over 16 years of age."
"AHHHHHHH! AAHHHHHH! I'm trapped under my car! It flipped on the highway, and now I'm jammed! Help me! AHHHH!"
"So, is that a 'yes' sir?"
"Yes! Yes! AHHHH! It's on fire! Hurry!"
"Okay sir, I just need proof of your age."
"AAARRRHHHHH! It burns! It burns! Oh, God! Help me!"
"What year were you born sir?"
"AHHHHHH! The flames! Help!"
"Um, sorry sir, that's not the right answer. I need more to verify age."
"AHHHH! I think the car's going to ex-"
"Sir? I still need pro-"
BOOOOOOM!
"Sir?"
Switches back to Jim's friend
"Sir? I was able to locate the cell phone, but I was disconnected before I could verify age - so I was disallowed from tracking him."
"Oh, well, that's fine - as long as I know he's still out there. Thanks."
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I use one of these services to track my kids (www.fleetonline.net). I don't mean routinely just to snoop on them but on the occasion that I don't know where they are and am worried. Works pretty well in most areas; you don't need cruise-missile levels of resolution actually.
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Nothing bad can happen to someone over 16 yrs old. Amirite?
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Beside that, I am pretty much sure tracking of any citizen can be done by authorities if needed. And this technology is there for a while and had not been made publicly available before. So, if you fear BB, it's just too late!
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This is such old news, it was initially worked over by The Guardian at the start of the month, and it even got picked up by Slashdot. But it was old news even then, you've been able to do this sort of thing for years. I've talked about it a lot in my blog...
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I would imagine that kids who were off and up to no good would pop in a different SIM card and meet up with their friends. The thing about cell phone tracking is that it would be quite hard to prove someone wasn't just out of range (elevator, basement), so even if the tracking were to say, "No Data Available", you can't assume that the kid turned off the phone or changed SIMs.
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This isn't new. Check out NTK which reported on this years ago. There was also an article later on in the sunday post where a university student had managed to find a way to bypass the security on these without requiring physical access to the device. I believe the guardian picked up on this as well.
Now consider this: in Texas, there is a plan afoot -- already approved by the legislature -- to turn over 6000 miles of preexisting roads to a foreign Spanish company so that the company can charge tolls on those roads. Drivers will be required to have an RFID tag in their car with will allow their movements to be tracked and cataloged that company (and the state will have access to that information, see http://www.austintollparty.com/). This is not just confined to Texas, there are similar plans in many other states.
The question has to be asked: why is there is this massive push for the governement to know where we are all of the time and have the ability to listen to us. This may just be the insipiant footprint of a police state.
As for security, if the phone is off (not broadcasting) but listening for incoming calls then they could only track you when you answer or make a call. I guess this would be the default design of future phones if they are problems with unwanted tracking.
Its funny how my perception of the world changes depending on the current situation. I firmly believe in a person's right to privacy. However, I've often thought that it would be very useful to be able to track people with cell phones. The HYPOTHETICAL solution would be that those who consent to tracking could broadcast their locations to their friends, thus making it easy to know if one is in proximity to someone they would like to meet up with.
On the flip side, as we all know, are the privacy issues that stem from this. And, in this day and age I'm certain that there is a lot of room for abuse. The author of the BBC article certainly proved this to be the case. Is is really ever possible to achieve this hypothetical solution where only those who consent to being tracked are tracked?
The BBC author brings up another interesting point that I didn't think of before --the issue of tracking children or minors. For some reason I always assumed that the greatest benefit from this technology would be to track your children and perhaps even keep tabs on whether or not they are visiting "forbidden" areas. Obviously this is not the case as children cannot legally consent to being tracked! So what about that GPS tracking collar thing? How do the children consent there?
The battle between functionality and privacy continues in full force. I'm sure that we'd all like the CONVENIENCE of RFID, biometric scanners, wireless credit cards, wireless passports, etc... but at what price and at what risk to our privacy? Certainly large governments will be the major players behind such schemes. Who knows... for a while privacy rights may be protected... but what about the future? Since the technologies are there then the room for abuse is also there....
Some food for thought.
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You barely need the phone for 5mn to setup the tracking, a guy has already used it to track his girlfriend.
He told his gf what he was going to do and got authorization, but basically everything that's required is to get sole access to the switched-on phone for 5 minutes: setup the tracking, receive SMS, delete SMS, you're done, the owner of the phone is tracked without his knowledge. With this kind of "requirements", you can setup a tracking for quite a large number of people...
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Oh, how nice of them to keep their toys to themselves. I doubt that people wanting cell service are asked for their consent when the phone company or government agent tracks them. Tracking is creepy and not something customers are demanding. Code should require the phone companies to provide phones that can not be routinely tracked. Instead, the price of modern convenience is a loss of privacy. We are forced to pay for yet another tool for those in power to maintain their power and wealth and told it's "for the children".
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Similar recently in the USA where the DoJ wants the search results of google because of 'child pornography'.
Very sad that this is happening to our world, to quote Bill Hicks:
Slightly off topic, but the U.S. Senate is planning on renewing all the bad sections of the Patriot Act this coming Tuesday. That's not a very good thing for Americans, especially techno-Americans. For more about why the Patriot act is not good and what you can do to stop it, this is a good article
I won't bother linking to their site, since it doesn't feature the article, but this quarter's "2600" magazine has a feature on hacking this system. Essentially, it involves sending the verification SMS to the mobile to be tracked, and then spoofing the confirmation using one of the many available "fake" SMS message services to be found online.
Deeply dodgy, and were I to be of a paranoid nature, I would definitely be carrying my cellphone switched off.
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... and you'd have seen this about a month ago.
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One thing; when I was at U, I was attacked by a psychopath with a knife while on college premises. Location services are about making money, and they therefore seek to induce the paranoia that causes people to buy them. But how real is the actual security?
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When I lived in Finland (5+ years ago), my carrier had some sort of tracking service. Basicly, you just sent an sms with a keyword to a specific number, and got a reply with an address.
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So you are telling me John lennon was working for russa??? We spend millions trying to prove that one of our favotie artists was tearing thisa country apart... and guess what? He wasnt! Mcarthy was a dipshit plain and simple pushing out propaganda to further his agenda... sounds like someone else i know (cough cough BUSH cough)sorry bullshit makes me sick.I am a lib, as you can prob tell by my name... but the point is i love our country not because of whats good/bad in it but for how I have an option to make a difference... just because we disagree with your opinions.. ALOT doesnt mean we talk about you like you just did us, and you know what its your RIGHT to do so, doesnt make it right but to each his own. the beauty of our great country is that if we as a people feel things are bad in government (and we do in anywhere thats not ass-backwards...) we can fight to overturn it.. and you know what wait till we get the house back and watch how fast your beloved cronies get thrown out of office
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BTW, could it be cancelled easily as it can be setup?
It should and it circumvent completely this kind of problem, since you can always cancel your authorization, anytime and in less than 5 minutes.
Achille Talon
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Good points! Tracking only tells you where their phone is, not where they are. And even if the two coincide, it doesn't tell you what they are doing, which one would presume is more important.
In order for satire to work, you really have to give a good picture of who you are satirizing and why. Other than making a fairly generic knuckle-dragging redneck joke, I have no idea what you are trying to say. Next time, try mocking something that is actually in the story.
The only interesting thing about this post is that it proves neither the person writing it, nor most of the people replying to it, nor the mods who gave it points actually read the summary. Not the article, but the fucking SUMMARY. f you are not a genuine parent or guardian, the code requires location services to check that both the tracker and the person being tracked can prove they are consenting adults. C'mon guys, I no nobody ever bothers to RTFA, but the summary? It's right there. It's not that long.
The BBC ripped this off from a story the Guardian did over three weeks ago:
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http://technology.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,16
But still, scary stuff.
On the tracking system I was looking at a few days ago, it sends regular SMS's to the tracked phone to ensure consent is still agreed, rather than a one off. http://www.followus.co.uk/received_a_text.html
It is not well-known that the same holds for reverse billing text messages ("premium SMS"); anyone can sign up to send these unsolicitedly.
For example, you can write a short (less than 50 lines) bash script send-50p.sh that takes a mobile phone number and reverse-charges the receipient 50 pence (or, in fact anything up to 5 pounds per message) by sending them e.g. an empty (" ") text message - and without them opting in first.
Since you can also easily fake caller IDs (the Nigerian 419 scam people are doing this nowadays when they threaten people - it happened to a friend), there are really a lot of loopholes that need fixing, IMHO.
Like everywhere else, the maxim is "security is an illusion"...
I have access to one of these systems, and I've been tracking myself on a website of mine for years now. Just for fun, really. (And to see if it would be a way police could monitor speeding - better to know if it's possible before they do it. :) It's not - there are too many errors - the cell sizes near motorways are too large and vague). The first thing anyone asks when I tell them is - can you track anyone? And I tell them, yes, on this network. The second thing they ask: Can you tell me where my girlfriend/boyfriend is right now? To which I tell them: I could, but I'm not going to.
It's scary. I think a lot of people would abuse it given half a chance.
You can sign up for developer accounts with most phone networks in the UK - but the queries are expensive. 10p each with a minimum of 5000 per month - that sort of thing.
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Doesn't anyone worry about kids being tracked by childabusers?
What this world is coming to - is for you and me to decide.
"With more and more children owning mobile phones, special attention needs to be given to who can track them." But all those people who are 16 and up, no worries. We can all invade their privacy and track where they are 24/7 it's no big deal, right?
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>> What kind of abuse since both parties need to become into an agreement to setup the system?
The copy of 2600 sitting in front of me (22.4) has an article called "How to track any UK GSM phone (without the user's consent)".
In a nutshell, it involves using an online number spoofing service to OK the request for tracking. So much for the agreement bit....
http://request-header.info
>The HYPOTHETICAL solution would be that those who consent to tracking could broadcast their locations to their friends
What if your location information went out only to people on your IM buddy list, as part of your presence information? How useful would it be to scroll through a list and see that Kathleen is Not Busy, @ laundromat next to Caligula Pizza, Current Mood Hungry?
and get yourself and your family and friends to vote for someone who stands for freedom. If there isn't one in your eyes... run as a candidate. Just don't whine... it won't bring about a change.
Mr Macleod? Of the Clan Macleod? He can't track me, I'm not even immortal.
Phone tracking is bad. RFID tracking of people, bad. Spying on people, BAD BAD BAD.
GPS or other tracking is BAD. I won't buy a new cell phone made after 2004 because they have government mandated GPS trackers built in, whether you want it or not. Software controlled shutoffs are garbage; the phone company can switch it back on if they so desire, probably without letting you know, at the request of any figure of authority.
Give me at least a phone where the GPS is a physical module that I can depower or remove. Anything else is a little government/corporate/anybody-who-cares-to spying machine.
As for kidnappers and, oh god, here we go, pedophiles: um, they'd throw the phone in a metal box or down a sewer or onto a freight train bound for Toronto.
Tracking people on cellphones should be done only with the permission of the user. Anything else is just police state horse manure.
I am beginning to realize that my generation, which grew up with an expectation of privacy and dignity, is not explaining the problem to newer generations which grew up in schools with dogs searching their lockers, with strip searches, metal detectors, ID badges, probably anal cavity searches done at will on their persons for no damned reason at all. I've only recently paid attention to how differently most of you view civil liberties, given that you never experienced them. Your gestalt acquiesance to the police state that you poor sods schooled under and then work for is genuinely shocking to me.
I'm saying that you have no problems with being prisoners under a warden 'cause you were brought up that way, "for your safety". It is the fault of decades of parents becoming WAAAAAAYY too overprotective and fearful of bogeymen.
You don't need to be tracked, unless you want to be. You shouldn't be required to be tracked to work for a living. The magic word is "no". Remember the magic word. Teach it to your children in turn.
Remember, remember, the 5th of November.
People are just going to have to be a lot more secure about their mobile phone numbers.
.. luckily, i don't have many contacts so it's not too bad (only contacts i do have are my closest friends)
Of course, technology and the whole security thing isn't going to sort this mess out, so we'll have to take action into our own hands.
This means changing your sim for example, of course - once this exploit gets down to a nifty little illegal pc app to allow you to track any number you want, many people will have access to it and privacy will just go down the drain.
I for one, will change my sim if they don't secure this, clearly they have not
On the other hand, that solution will be futil since i'm sure the security of this tracking will soon be cracked, so any phones near you (tihnk of bluetooth) you will be able to grab their phone number, and say for example a pedophile was out for vulnrables, he could phone their phone and they would answer.
I blaim it on the corperate mind and the structore inwhich it has run, it was doomed to failure from day one (well, not that early.. but when they registered a corperation as one 'man').. it's all about money, and if getting that money requires business to not give two shits about users privacy, then so be it.
The world and economy as it stands to this day is like an aero plain... it's flying, but it's flying down, and unless we change the way corperations work, it will crash... and boy it will crash hard, i'm talking about billions of people dying (think global warming)
It was the age that piqued my interest. If 16 is old enough to be a "consenting adult" to allow your phone records to be tracked, I assume that 16 is also the age of consent (for sex) in the UK?
Just curious; here in the US it never ceases to boggle my mind how we will charge ever-younger criminals (now as young as 13 or 14) "as adults" for their crimes, while they don't enjoy any of the privileges afforded to "adults."
I'm horrified at the electronic police state we are in. I would have thought they'd at least do the honorable thing and put the Constitution out of its misery before implementing these things. Yes, I'm implying that we already have surveillence for a number of reasons, only we haven't let the token "citizens" know about it yet. You can see it coming. Every cop and lawyer show on television features surveillence in some way making losing your privacy a really cool thing. Look at all the hidden camera video tape on the nightly news saving the helpless children from the baddies. Stories like that are designed to cause an emotional endorsement of surveillence.
But what's the point of surveillence? Crime is continuing to go down according to the FBI. But that's due to all the high levels of estrogen in soy products. hehe
Seriously, somebody is building something that requires surveillence. My guess is the secret project is a cashless system based on tracking/tracing and maintaining constant identity awareness by financial groups. The new bank will be the one you carry around in yourself, based on some biometric.
I'd like to hear some other theories.
I couldn't care less if people new vaugely where I was all the time.
I'd even write an interface to the system, that allowed my website to update automatically, and when someone visited, it would say "where am I?" and show a map of where I was at the time, perhaps even overlayed on google maps.
All people are going to see is that I am at home, or at work, the addresses of both they could find without too much issue, or I'm on the road travelling somewhere.
I don't see what the big deal is, if someone wants to stalk someone, they are going to do so, whether or not a phone has a part of it is neither here nor there. I doubt someone lazy is going to say "ooh, now I can start stalking because I don't have to follow the person around all day".
Any nutbag that would stalk someone would be following them around all day anyway.
As it stands, the system sends random reminders to the tracked phone, and the trackee can turn off the tracking. All well and good. But what if you want the tracking to be silent, say, in the case of a child who has been kidnapped? OK, so any kidnapper worth the name will just throw the phone away, but the current system gives an opportunity for him to a)know he's being actively tracked, and b) turn off the tracking. How are they going to resolve this?
The amount of carelessness about this news entry or a similar one a few days ago (RFID on humans) truly looks scary.
> I've only recently paid attention to how differently most of you view civil liberties,
> given that you never experienced them.
People doesn't know what's freedom anymore. Freedom of sitting on a rock in a green land watching the ocean, forgetting and not being afraid about anything, anyone. Freedom of turning off the main power switch then finding pace with their own being.
The young just will never get that, growing instead this stinky positive-assertive trend created by marketing and propaganda, talking like 'there's a lot of advantages' and 'who cares anyway' and 'I got nothing to hide'.
I got nothing to hide to anyone. Except for my will to be free, in good faith, like many others.
Also, all looks much darker if you watch at the entire issue from the perspective of countries/societies who never had unconditional freedom and so much were admiring anglophile societies for their true belief in that; they see now their hope disappear with much extra negative burdens for one reason or another. Once non-existance of ID cards soon a brain ID implant to be required to enter a s tarbucks or a supermarket. Watch out for the next Slashdot entry.
Or maybe it's just me finding it hard to accept the turn of century and its news. I'll go have a freely irrational zig-zag walk without mobile.
They probably sold a few hundred thousand of them to your country's military; the same military that would squash you flat if the Executive branch wanted to.
Your right to bear arms was to maintain a well-regulated (*laugh*) militia in defense of your country. Instead, you folks just shoot each other and vote morons into office. Keeps the comedians and paramedics employed I suppose.
> What kind of abuse since both parties need to become
> into an agreement to setup the system?
No you don't - you simply need both parties' PHONES. Big difference. Who doesn't have access to their wifes/girlfriends/child's phone for the purposes of sending the "ok to track me" text message?
A decent system should tell the tracked user that they are being tracked (and by whom) each time their position is requested by the tracking party.
There is no password protection on most mobile phones, they just have pin entry when they're first switched on. That is no good if the phone is already powered up.
Cancellation would not solve this problem. You are kind of missing the point. The journalist that the GP is referrering to showed how easy it is to set up tracking on somebody elses phone. Once setup there is *no* indication that the service is active. Thus you wouldn't know to cancel it, or who with.
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When a phone is off all that happens is it polls the on button.
It doesn't communicate with base stations at all since to do so
would waste the battery which would defeat the whole point of
it being off!
On the propaganda side, not only there's a "telescreen", but it isn't needed to force people to watch it: They're stupid enough to watch it even if they're not forced to do so. Not only that, but for the greatest part of the society, life is completelly centered around TV. When people return from work, most of the times worktime and conmuting adding up more than half their time awake, and pay being of course pathetic, they do so in the cars TV shown them as good. Then, once they're home, they turn on the TV first thing, in order to watch pure mindless reality shows or just plain and pure propaganda. At the times they're not working or watching TV, you'll find them in the supermarket buying the crappiest and most expensive choices; the ones the TV made them buy. Maybe sometimes they get together and, say, talk about those crappy series from TV, or go shopping together to buy crappy pop music... things like that. Of course, nobody is interested in politics anymore, or in personal research of any kind, or learning anything that's not strictly needed, just for fun, or creating cultural works (they've all been told creators are a different race that is, of course, starving thanks to "piracy"); their lives are completelly busy already with TV and what surrounds it; a few channels, controled by a small amount of people. They can guide the thoughts of the masses. We know about those studies where not even the university-educated circles of people are capable of understanding a text, detecting obvious and simple patterns when analyzing tables of data, and of course, any critical thinking. Uncapable of working out the simplest logical deductions. They've archieved this much power.
On the surveillance side, of course, it's even worse. Not only privacity doesn't exist anymore because communications are under indiscriminate surveillance; It's seems like _everybody_ but me carries a tracking device known as a cellphone with them, and what's worse, most of them have no idea of that, or the implications.
To sum it up, it's a working modern totalitarian regime where people are completelly caged while they stupidly believe they're completelly free, to the extend that some countries, namely the USA, got rid of democracy through unverified (no paper trail) electronic voting; going unnoticed by the illiterate masses.
And this is the world we're living on. We are screwed.
You know, I always thought that 1984 and similar books would be sufficient to discourage ubiquitious government monitoring.
I guess I was wrong.
I remember the police chief in Houston just a couple days ago putting monitoring cameras up all over and saying "If you don't have anything to hide, then you don't have anything to worry about." Quote from 1984, but simply used in the opposite direction.
Of course, Britain already *has* cameras all over, so I guess tracking is just the next logical extension. They're just starting on their own post-September 11th style reduction in civil liberties.
I guess that the problem is that it's hard to stuff complex ideas into a pop movie, so today's media lacks much beyond very simple political criticism.
Any program relying on (nontrivial) preemptive multithreading will be buggy.
For one that does, dozens don't, just pick one that doesn't and you can track people without their knowledge...
"The way we can tell it's C# instead of Haskell is because it's nine lines instead of two." -- wadler
Most cells don't have password protection once they're turned off. And it's not "don't let someone else use it", it's "don't let anyone use it", not your friend, not your girlfriend, not your parents, no one.
If you dismiss the fact that you don't even know you're being tracked (and therefore wouldn't have the idea to cancel your tracking), then yes.
"The way we can tell it's C# instead of Haskell is because it's nine lines instead of two." -- wadler
the parent has gay porn and racist pornography! delete and ban this person NOW!
"I guess that the problem is that it's hard to stuff complex ideas into a pop movie"
What a weird coincidence. Remember my closing line?
"Remember, remember, the 5th of November"
to finish:
"The gunpowder treason and plot;
I know of no reason,
why the gunpowder treason,
should ever be forgot."
It's the English ditty commemorating the attempted bombing of Parliment by Guy Fawkes. I quoted it because it is the tag line of "V for Vendetta", a pop movie coming out in the middle of this month.
If ever a Hollywood movie spoke to us of why cameras and surveillance are bad, bad, bad, this movie will. It is the scream of the sane of our time. And to think, the story was written 25 years ago by Alan Moore, in response to Thatcher's creeping fascism.
(A weird note: in "V" the graphic novel, fascism actually came after the Liberal party took over from the Conservatives. TOO close to reality.)
Hey, You guys across the Atlantic can't have all the fun. We have an application just like this over in here the USA. I subscribed to one called Findum for my Sprint phone just to see how it works. The url is www.FindumWireless.com. I just use it to see how well it works, which is really good. Now... if only I had something to track I bet it would be a lot cooler. But no in general, I think it's a good idea. There is so much loss in this world that this type of stuff could prevent. I would like to see more LBS offerings. Brad
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