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Cell Phone Tracking In the UK
jvlb writes "The BBC reports on cell phone tracking systems now available in Britain. The correspondent addresses the privacy and security issues that ensue." From the article: "With more and more children owning mobile phones, special attention needs to be given to who can track them. If you are not a genuine parent or guardian, the code requires location services to check that both the tracker and the person being tracked can prove they are consenting adults. Mr Macleod says: 'The person that is to be located has to demonstrate to the service provider they are at least 16 years old.'"
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I don't know how many 16-year-old teenagers would give consent to being tracked, while on the other hand, those need being tracked the most (under 10 or so) cannot legally allow parents to do so?
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Big Brother is alive and well across the Pond. I wonder if they want George Bush to make up for what happened in the American Revolution? :P
TFA mentions several reasons as to why one would want to use this service, viz. tracking your employees or your children. Oh, whatever did we do before this technology came to save us? It seems to me that while some technology I would deem harmful (such as most surveillance tech) does have its uses - if criminals communicate via email, then the police should be able to read their email (with a warrant). However, this is one area where this does not apply. Giving your child a cell phone does not make them harder to keep track of, thus warranting use of this technology. On the contrary; just call the kid.
I think potential for abuse, in this case, outweighs whatever good may come from this. Please, kill this market by not using their service. Please.
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This is quite commonly used in the UK, lots of companies provide the service with connections in to the main networks... it's used for all kinds of things - a service I used last week allowed you to dial a number and be connected to the nearest taxi operator, fantastic for when you're out in the middle of London...
In Norway they are using assisted GPS (GPS on mobiles with data / maps coming over GPRS or 3G) and can provide directions to your nearest doctor or supermarket or whatever right down to 10 metre accuracy.
BTW, the guys providing this service do so through MX Telecom (juding by the short code in the picture - 88600) - http://www.mxtelecom.com/lbs.
Turning it off is not necessarily sufficient and removing the battery is inconvenient. So, forward your work cell phone to a private phone and permanently leave the work phone in its charger, inside a locked drawer of your desk.
Oh well, what the hell...
"The person that is to be located has to demonstrate to the service provider they are at least 16 years old."
"Hello, operator? My buddy Jim is late, and I'm a bit worried about him, can you track him down for me?"
"Certainly sir, just a moment."
Calls Jim's phone
"Hello, Jim? This is the operator, someone wants to track you. We need your concent and proof you're over 16 years of age."
"AHHHHHHH! AAHHHHHH! I'm trapped under my car! It flipped on the highway, and now I'm jammed! Help me! AHHHH!"
"So, is that a 'yes' sir?"
"Yes! Yes! AHHHH! It's on fire! Hurry!"
"Okay sir, I just need proof of your age."
"AAARRRHHHHH! It burns! It burns! Oh, God! Help me!"
"What year were you born sir?"
"AHHHHHH! The flames! Help!"
"Um, sorry sir, that's not the right answer. I need more to verify age."
"AHHHH! I think the car's going to ex-"
"Sir? I still need pro-"
BOOOOOOM!
"Sir?"
Switches back to Jim's friend
"Sir? I was able to locate the cell phone, but I was disconnected before I could verify age - so I was disallowed from tracking him."
"Oh, well, that's fine - as long as I know he's still out there. Thanks."
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I use one of these services to track my kids (www.fleetonline.net). I don't mean routinely just to snoop on them but on the occasion that I don't know where they are and am worried. Works pretty well in most areas; you don't need cruise-missile levels of resolution actually.
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Look, nobody says you have to be a member of a party that's against the current government. Nobody says you even have to SUPPORT a political party! If you don't want to be monitored closely, conform.
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it seems more likely to me that a couple of sixteen year olds will be dating and have given each other permission to locate- then when they break up one tracks down the other and makes a messy scene- either in the public screaming fit variety or the bloody stains everywhere variety. I just don't think that this is something necessary.
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Beside that, I am pretty much sure tracking of any citizen can be done by authorities if needed. And this technology is there for a while and had not been made publicly available before. So, if you fear BB, it's just too late!
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So, forward your work cell phone to a private phone and permanently leave the work phone in its charger, inside a locked drawer of your desk.
If employers are taking employees, then perhaps it should be brought home 1-2 times a week. Then your boss will be really really impressed when he finds you spent 110 hours last week in the office.... (Or he might be pissed as to why you didn't accomplish 3x as much as a regular 40hr/week person).
This is such old news, it was initially worked over by The Guardian at the start of the month, and it even got picked up by Slashdot. But it was old news even then, you've been able to do this sort of thing for years. I've talked about it a lot in my blog...
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I would imagine that kids who were off and up to no good would pop in a different SIM card and meet up with their friends. The thing about cell phone tracking is that it would be quite hard to prove someone wasn't just out of range (elevator, basement), so even if the tracking were to say, "No Data Available", you can't assume that the kid turned off the phone or changed SIMs.
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This isn't new. Check out NTK which reported on this years ago. There was also an article later on in the sunday post where a university student had managed to find a way to bypass the security on these without requiring physical access to the device. I believe the guardian picked up on this as well.
Now consider this: in Texas, there is a plan afoot -- already approved by the legislature -- to turn over 6000 miles of preexisting roads to a foreign Spanish company so that the company can charge tolls on those roads. Drivers will be required to have an RFID tag in their car with will allow their movements to be tracked and cataloged that company (and the state will have access to that information, see http://www.austintollparty.com/). This is not just confined to Texas, there are similar plans in many other states.
The question has to be asked: why is there is this massive push for the governement to know where we are all of the time and have the ability to listen to us. This may just be the insipiant footprint of a police state.
Its funny how my perception of the world changes depending on the current situation. I firmly believe in a person's right to privacy. However, I've often thought that it would be very useful to be able to track people with cell phones. The HYPOTHETICAL solution would be that those who consent to tracking could broadcast their locations to their friends, thus making it easy to know if one is in proximity to someone they would like to meet up with.
On the flip side, as we all know, are the privacy issues that stem from this. And, in this day and age I'm certain that there is a lot of room for abuse. The author of the BBC article certainly proved this to be the case. Is is really ever possible to achieve this hypothetical solution where only those who consent to being tracked are tracked?
The BBC author brings up another interesting point that I didn't think of before --the issue of tracking children or minors. For some reason I always assumed that the greatest benefit from this technology would be to track your children and perhaps even keep tabs on whether or not they are visiting "forbidden" areas. Obviously this is not the case as children cannot legally consent to being tracked! So what about that GPS tracking collar thing? How do the children consent there?
The battle between functionality and privacy continues in full force. I'm sure that we'd all like the CONVENIENCE of RFID, biometric scanners, wireless credit cards, wireless passports, etc... but at what price and at what risk to our privacy? Certainly large governments will be the major players behind such schemes. Who knows... for a while privacy rights may be protected... but what about the future? Since the technologies are there then the room for abuse is also there....
Some food for thought.
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I don't think you can turn the bloody things off. Also, have you seen the state of public telephone boxes? That's if you can find one. A mobile phone is *essential these days.
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You barely need the phone for 5mn to setup the tracking, a guy has already used it to track his girlfriend.
He told his gf what he was going to do and got authorization, but basically everything that's required is to get sole access to the switched-on phone for 5 minutes: setup the tracking, receive SMS, delete SMS, you're done, the owner of the phone is tracked without his knowledge. With this kind of "requirements", you can setup a tracking for quite a large number of people...
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Oh, how nice of them to keep their toys to themselves. I doubt that people wanting cell service are asked for their consent when the phone company or government agent tracks them. Tracking is creepy and not something customers are demanding. Code should require the phone companies to provide phones that can not be routinely tracked. Instead, the price of modern convenience is a loss of privacy. We are forced to pay for yet another tool for those in power to maintain their power and wealth and told it's "for the children".
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And what does being 16 years old have to do with it? I know one fully grown woman (30s) who had an abusive B-friend who would have jumped at the chance to be able to track her whereabouts 24/7.
Thankfully she's now broken up with him, but I figure that he would have had no problem with the idea of tracking her down at work and making a public scene ... just for the fun of it (or, more accurately, all the more to make sure that she towed the line so that he "won't be forced to do something like that again").
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I won't bother linking to their site, since it doesn't feature the article, but this quarter's "2600" magazine has a feature on hacking this system. Essentially, it involves sending the verification SMS to the mobile to be tracked, and then spoofing the confirmation using one of the many available "fake" SMS message services to be found online.
Deeply dodgy, and were I to be of a paranoid nature, I would definitely be carrying my cellphone switched off.
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Do you really think that when you call a cell phone every transmitter IN THE GPS WORLD transmits a 'ring' request for you? No, the phone constantly communicates with its local cells to say where it is. You cannot operate a cell phone without it transmitting. And its this that is used to track you.
... and you'd have seen this about a month ago.
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What are you, twelve? I'd argue with you, but it would go over your head. On a side not, quite amusing, in that 'kids on the short bus' way.
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One thing; when I was at U, I was attacked by a psychopath with a knife while on college premises. Location services are about making money, and they therefore seek to induce the paranoia that causes people to buy them. But how real is the actual security?
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When I lived in Finland (5+ years ago), my carrier had some sort of tracking service. Basicly, you just sent an sms with a keyword to a specific number, and got a reply with an address.
^^
BTW, could it be cancelled easily as it can be setup?
It should and it circumvent completely this kind of problem, since you can always cancel your authorization, anytime and in less than 5 minutes.
Achille Talon
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Not so. The phone is constantly communicating with the base stations - for the obvious purpose that the network needs to know where it is when someone calls you.
I've tried a tracking service and it got my location down to about 200 yards. Was quite impressed.
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Good points! Tracking only tells you where their phone is, not where they are. And even if the two coincide, it doesn't tell you what they are doing, which one would presume is more important.
The BBC ripped this off from a story the Guardian did over three weeks ago:
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http://technology.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,16
But still, scary stuff.
On the tracking system I was looking at a few days ago, it sends regular SMS's to the tracked phone to ensure consent is still agreed, rather than a one off. http://www.followus.co.uk/received_a_text.html
It is not well-known that the same holds for reverse billing text messages ("premium SMS"); anyone can sign up to send these unsolicitedly.
For example, you can write a short (less than 50 lines) bash script send-50p.sh that takes a mobile phone number and reverse-charges the receipient 50 pence (or, in fact anything up to 5 pounds per message) by sending them e.g. an empty (" ") text message - and without them opting in first.
Since you can also easily fake caller IDs (the Nigerian 419 scam people are doing this nowadays when they threaten people - it happened to a friend), there are really a lot of loopholes that need fixing, IMHO.
Like everywhere else, the maxim is "security is an illusion"...
Really? I've never found a lack of a mobile phone to be an inconvenience. Essential for what, exactly?
I have access to one of these systems, and I've been tracking myself on a website of mine for years now. Just for fun, really. (And to see if it would be a way police could monitor speeding - better to know if it's possible before they do it. :) It's not - there are too many errors - the cell sizes near motorways are too large and vague). The first thing anyone asks when I tell them is - can you track anyone? And I tell them, yes, on this network. The second thing they ask: Can you tell me where my girlfriend/boyfriend is right now? To which I tell them: I could, but I'm not going to.
It's scary. I think a lot of people would abuse it given half a chance.
You can sign up for developer accounts with most phone networks in the UK - but the queries are expensive. 10p each with a minimum of 5000 per month - that sort of thing.
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I was having trouble deciding whether he was kidding or what..then he put the muslim-communists punchline in and gave it away.
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Doesn't anyone worry about kids being tracked by childabusers?
What this world is coming to - is for you and me to decide.
"With more and more children owning mobile phones, special attention needs to be given to who can track them." But all those people who are 16 and up, no worries. We can all invade their privacy and track where they are 24/7 it's no big deal, right?
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it wasn't my intent to imply that older people might not abuse it as well- just that an older person would have more options (private investigator, more experience at stalking, more psycho friends etc) and that something this simplistic was more likely to be abused by younger and/or less sophisticated users.
Uh, "if it looks roughly mouse-shaped according to my infra-red sensitive pit, eat it"? --Chris Burke 09-08-10
>> What kind of abuse since both parties need to become into an agreement to setup the system?
The copy of 2600 sitting in front of me (22.4) has an article called "How to track any UK GSM phone (without the user's consent)".
In a nutshell, it involves using an online number spoofing service to OK the request for tracking. So much for the agreement bit....
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>The HYPOTHETICAL solution would be that those who consent to tracking could broadcast their locations to their friends
What if your location information went out only to people on your IM buddy list, as part of your presence information? How useful would it be to scroll through a list and see that Kathleen is Not Busy, @ laundromat next to Caligula Pizza, Current Mood Hungry?
Mr Macleod? Of the Clan Macleod? He can't track me, I'm not even immortal.
Phone tracking is bad. RFID tracking of people, bad. Spying on people, BAD BAD BAD.
GPS or other tracking is BAD. I won't buy a new cell phone made after 2004 because they have government mandated GPS trackers built in, whether you want it or not. Software controlled shutoffs are garbage; the phone company can switch it back on if they so desire, probably without letting you know, at the request of any figure of authority.
Give me at least a phone where the GPS is a physical module that I can depower or remove. Anything else is a little government/corporate/anybody-who-cares-to spying machine.
As for kidnappers and, oh god, here we go, pedophiles: um, they'd throw the phone in a metal box or down a sewer or onto a freight train bound for Toronto.
Tracking people on cellphones should be done only with the permission of the user. Anything else is just police state horse manure.
I am beginning to realize that my generation, which grew up with an expectation of privacy and dignity, is not explaining the problem to newer generations which grew up in schools with dogs searching their lockers, with strip searches, metal detectors, ID badges, probably anal cavity searches done at will on their persons for no damned reason at all. I've only recently paid attention to how differently most of you view civil liberties, given that you never experienced them. Your gestalt acquiesance to the police state that you poor sods schooled under and then work for is genuinely shocking to me.
I'm saying that you have no problems with being prisoners under a warden 'cause you were brought up that way, "for your safety". It is the fault of decades of parents becoming WAAAAAAYY too overprotective and fearful of bogeymen.
You don't need to be tracked, unless you want to be. You shouldn't be required to be tracked to work for a living. The magic word is "no". Remember the magic word. Teach it to your children in turn.
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People are just going to have to be a lot more secure about their mobile phone numbers.
.. luckily, i don't have many contacts so it's not too bad (only contacts i do have are my closest friends)
Of course, technology and the whole security thing isn't going to sort this mess out, so we'll have to take action into our own hands.
This means changing your sim for example, of course - once this exploit gets down to a nifty little illegal pc app to allow you to track any number you want, many people will have access to it and privacy will just go down the drain.
I for one, will change my sim if they don't secure this, clearly they have not
On the other hand, that solution will be futil since i'm sure the security of this tracking will soon be cracked, so any phones near you (tihnk of bluetooth) you will be able to grab their phone number, and say for example a pedophile was out for vulnrables, he could phone their phone and they would answer.
I blaim it on the corperate mind and the structore inwhich it has run, it was doomed to failure from day one (well, not that early.. but when they registered a corperation as one 'man').. it's all about money, and if getting that money requires business to not give two shits about users privacy, then so be it.
The world and economy as it stands to this day is like an aero plain... it's flying, but it's flying down, and unless we change the way corperations work, it will crash... and boy it will crash hard, i'm talking about billions of people dying (think global warming)
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I couldn't care less if people new vaugely where I was all the time.
I'd even write an interface to the system, that allowed my website to update automatically, and when someone visited, it would say "where am I?" and show a map of where I was at the time, perhaps even overlayed on google maps.
All people are going to see is that I am at home, or at work, the addresses of both they could find without too much issue, or I'm on the road travelling somewhere.
I don't see what the big deal is, if someone wants to stalk someone, they are going to do so, whether or not a phone has a part of it is neither here nor there. I doubt someone lazy is going to say "ooh, now I can start stalking because I don't have to follow the person around all day".
Any nutbag that would stalk someone would be following them around all day anyway.
> What kind of abuse since both parties need to become
> into an agreement to setup the system?
No you don't - you simply need both parties' PHONES. Big difference. Who doesn't have access to their wifes/girlfriends/child's phone for the purposes of sending the "ok to track me" text message?
A decent system should tell the tracked user that they are being tracked (and by whom) each time their position is requested by the tracking party.
There is no password protection on most mobile phones, they just have pin entry when they're first switched on. That is no good if the phone is already powered up.
Cancellation would not solve this problem. You are kind of missing the point. The journalist that the GP is referrering to showed how easy it is to set up tracking on somebody elses phone. Once setup there is *no* indication that the service is active. Thus you wouldn't know to cancel it, or who with.
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It's true I tell you, feller at work's next door neighbour read it in the paper.
When a phone is off all that happens is it polls the on button.
It doesn't communicate with base stations at all since to do so
would waste the battery which would defeat the whole point of
it being off!
On the propaganda side, not only there's a "telescreen", but it isn't needed to force people to watch it: They're stupid enough to watch it even if they're not forced to do so. Not only that, but for the greatest part of the society, life is completelly centered around TV. When people return from work, most of the times worktime and conmuting adding up more than half their time awake, and pay being of course pathetic, they do so in the cars TV shown them as good. Then, once they're home, they turn on the TV first thing, in order to watch pure mindless reality shows or just plain and pure propaganda. At the times they're not working or watching TV, you'll find them in the supermarket buying the crappiest and most expensive choices; the ones the TV made them buy. Maybe sometimes they get together and, say, talk about those crappy series from TV, or go shopping together to buy crappy pop music... things like that. Of course, nobody is interested in politics anymore, or in personal research of any kind, or learning anything that's not strictly needed, just for fun, or creating cultural works (they've all been told creators are a different race that is, of course, starving thanks to "piracy"); their lives are completelly busy already with TV and what surrounds it; a few channels, controled by a small amount of people. They can guide the thoughts of the masses. We know about those studies where not even the university-educated circles of people are capable of understanding a text, detecting obvious and simple patterns when analyzing tables of data, and of course, any critical thinking. Uncapable of working out the simplest logical deductions. They've archieved this much power.
On the surveillance side, of course, it's even worse. Not only privacity doesn't exist anymore because communications are under indiscriminate surveillance; It's seems like _everybody_ but me carries a tracking device known as a cellphone with them, and what's worse, most of them have no idea of that, or the implications.
To sum it up, it's a working modern totalitarian regime where people are completelly caged while they stupidly believe they're completelly free, to the extend that some countries, namely the USA, got rid of democracy through unverified (no paper trail) electronic voting; going unnoticed by the illiterate masses.
And this is the world we're living on. We are screwed.
I'd say that young kids are more likely to do it in the throes of hormone love, and not consider the implications. Older lovers are more likely to demand it fully knowing how they can abuse it.
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You know, I always thought that 1984 and similar books would be sufficient to discourage ubiquitious government monitoring.
I guess I was wrong.
I remember the police chief in Houston just a couple days ago putting monitoring cameras up all over and saying "If you don't have anything to hide, then you don't have anything to worry about." Quote from 1984, but simply used in the opposite direction.
Of course, Britain already *has* cameras all over, so I guess tracking is just the next logical extension. They're just starting on their own post-September 11th style reduction in civil liberties.
I guess that the problem is that it's hard to stuff complex ideas into a pop movie, so today's media lacks much beyond very simple political criticism.
Any program relying on (nontrivial) preemptive multithreading will be buggy.
How long do you think that will last?
Once the technology is in place, what exactly prevents policy change? Policy is such a fragile thing...
Any program relying on (nontrivial) preemptive multithreading will be buggy.
For one that does, dozens don't, just pick one that doesn't and you can track people without their knowledge...
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Most cells don't have password protection once they're turned off. And it's not "don't let someone else use it", it's "don't let anyone use it", not your friend, not your girlfriend, not your parents, no one.
If you dismiss the fact that you don't even know you're being tracked (and therefore wouldn't have the idea to cancel your tracking), then yes.
"The way we can tell it's C# instead of Haskell is because it's nine lines instead of two." -- wadler
With a little help from the French that militia removed Great Britain from ownership of this country. Laugh if you wish. And I don't know about us shooting each other, but more of us die in car accidents every year than shootings. Personally, I don't even own a gun. But I want that right in case I decide that I should.
... but because they obeyed the law and turned in their weapons they died en-masse.
... it's a lot different when they can shoot back.
Sorry to contradict, but the right to bear arms has as much to do with the defense of the citizenry from our own government as defending the country from any external aggressor. It was to provide the citizenry with a last-ditch defense against their own government, and as a long-term deterrent to negative action by that government. Before commenting on what purpose our Founders intended our various rights to serve, read some of Jefferson or Franklin's writings. It might open your eyes a little. There were (and are!) damn good reasons for that right, and the fact that our government has finally begun to follow the road to hell as predicted by Thomas Jefferson does little to convince me otherwise. He pointed out that, from a legal perspective, the United States Federal Government at its inception was about as good as it was going to get, and and that it was all downhill from there. As usual, he was right.
The people that speak out against gun ownership by law-abiding citizens forget that it's a fine line between peaceful governance and armed rebellion. Look around the world to see how true that is. Our government is right on course for a significant internecine conflict, and would very much like us to be completely unable to defend ourselves should the need arise. The government has not, to date, been able to justify that stance with anything resembling logic and reason, instead appealing to illogic and emotion. Not to mention large numbers of manufactured "statistics."
It is interesting to me that, prior to the rise of the Hitler and the Nazi Party in pre-World War II Germany, the Weimar republic had a remarkably modern gun control law. Hitler had to do very little, from a legal perspective, to continue disarming those whom he wished defenseless against his militia. Even more interesting, during the early pogroms against the Jews, the few that had refused to turn over their weapons were able to fight off the Nazis and escape. Had the rest of the Jews been as heavily armed there would have been no Holocaust
Switzerland was the only country in Europe at the time where every man had a military rifle at home. The Nazi leadership acknowledged this fact in their invasion plans, and pretty much left Switzerland alone. Just goes to show that an armed population makes a remarkable deterrent to invasion. Actually, genocidal actions by numerous governments around the world are largely enabled by successful efforts to disarm local populations. It's really easy to control or eliminate unarmed people
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
A very nice sentiment that unfortunately doesn't acknowledge the fact that we are consistently presented with Presidential candidates that do not stand for freedom. Sure ... they all say they do but when you look at the laws they allow to be signed into law (or directly lobby for themselves!) it becomes obvious that freedom is something that is being tolerated less and less by our leaders as time goes on.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
A sly shag isn't the same as committing premeditated murder. That's leaving aside the fact that in one case the underage person is the victim and in the other the perpetrator. Maybe you should go shopping at www.senseofperspective.com - I hear they do a special first time offer for bleeding-heart liberals.
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"I guess that the problem is that it's hard to stuff complex ideas into a pop movie"
What a weird coincidence. Remember my closing line?
"Remember, remember, the 5th of November"
to finish:
"The gunpowder treason and plot;
I know of no reason,
why the gunpowder treason,
should ever be forgot."
It's the English ditty commemorating the attempted bombing of Parliment by Guy Fawkes. I quoted it because it is the tag line of "V for Vendetta", a pop movie coming out in the middle of this month.
If ever a Hollywood movie spoke to us of why cameras and surveillance are bad, bad, bad, this movie will. It is the scream of the sane of our time. And to think, the story was written 25 years ago by Alan Moore, in response to Thatcher's creeping fascism.
(A weird note: in "V" the graphic novel, fascism actually came after the Liberal party took over from the Conservatives. TOO close to reality.)
Hey, You guys across the Atlantic can't have all the fun. We have an application just like this over in here the USA. I subscribed to one called Findum for my Sprint phone just to see how it works. The url is www.FindumWireless.com. I just use it to see how well it works, which is really good. Now... if only I had something to track I bet it would be a lot cooler. But no in general, I think it's a good idea. There is so much loss in this world that this type of stuff could prevent. I would like to see more LBS offerings. Brad
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