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A Look at IPTV

Q-Tip writes "Ars Technica has posted an introduction to IPTV, which is the TV programming technology AT&T (and formerly BellSouth) will be using to provide TV service over its next-gen optical network. The article covers how IPTV works and how AT&T and other providers will be able to provide more interactive services once their networks are up and running."

155 comments

  1. Interactive services? by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't want an interactive service. I want to passively sit on my butt and watch TV!

    1. Re:Interactive services? by poeidon1 · · Score: 1

      Donot wory, it would include a remote control for you lasy ass.

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    2. Re:Interactive services? by LordSnooty · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mod him up. Interactive services are the great white (red?) elephants of modern TV. Content providers only push them as a revenue stream. They rarely offer anything insightful - in the UK, I can only think of the BBC's sport coverage, offering eg actions from many courts at Wimbledon. In the commercial sector, just ask Andy Duncan of Channel 4 whether interactive services are worthwhile. In the US, do we see much interactive penetration? Has Fox convinced idiots to part with money to vote via the TV on American Idol? For this is surely the only useful application, in their eyes.

    3. Re:Interactive services? by tapo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What about the examples provided, such as a notification when you get a new email, or caller ID information shown on your TV?

      While I may not be one to care for interactive TV, I must say that event notification is a pretty nifty feature. When I'm watching a DVD on my Xbox 360, and a friend comes online, a small bubble appears to notify me of the fact. It's unobtrusive and useful, though it isn't the best idea when I'm in the middle of a movie.

      However, if this was television, and I was channel surfing, the idea suddenly becomes brilliant. Caller ID info, or the subject line of a new email while I'm watching the news or commercials come on? Brilliantly cool.

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    4. Re:Interactive services? by BecomingLumberg · · Score: 2, Interesting
      There is only one arena where quasi-interactive items are good: sports.

      As an example I offer up the multi-screen view that many satellite providers are offering- a screen for 3 games, with live scores/tickers for the other games around the league in an easy to read format. This made for an incredible Sunday experience at my buddy Chris' this past football season. We used the big screen to watch the best game at the time (last 10 minutes of a close game, etc.) and pulled the 32" screen out of the bedroom to keep an eye on the rest.

      Oddly, this made keeping up with the various games more of a social event, as one person couldn't watch all at once. Ultimately, this became a much more social event, to the point where the wives and girlfriends would attend. Oops, I digress.

      Ultimately, this was a neat combination of traditional live feed and internet feeds that made for a really pleasant experience. Most implementations are not so great. The 'learn more' bubbles that pop up in tv/movies should be only allowed on Discovery type channels, where the viewer obviously wants to learn about a subject and isnt trying to gain an 'experience'. Just MHO.

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    5. Re:Interactive services? by pete-classic · · Score: 2, Informative
      In the US, do we see much interactive penetration?


      A single operator serves over half of the ITV enabled set tops in the US. Echostar (Dish Network) is the only operator in the position to have significant interactive penetration as the market stands today.

      Echostar held their ITV summit Friday. CNN just launched their Enhanced TV service on Echostar. The representative from CNN was very clear that launching on Echostar was the obvious choice because they had the set tops deployed to make it worthwhile.

      There is a real chicken-or-the-egg problem with ITV. Because of the infrastructure involved it can't grow organically like the Internet. First the ITV enabled boxes have to be in the field. Then the content has to be there. Then, and only then, the operator has to make the users aware that there is all this additional value in the service they already have. Echostar is really only now entering the third stage. (With the new portal and their "trigger" functionality.) I expect big things in the next couple of years. The other US providers are really all in the first stage. On the other hand, several providers have ITV capable STBs, but no middleware. (My employer, OpenTV, would love to help all comers remedy that situation!)

      To sort of bring this back on topic, Echostar has launched its first generation of IPTV enabled set tops. (With MPEG-4 and Ethernet.)

      -Peter
    6. Re:Interactive services? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      Unfortunately, its probably worse than they're making it sound....because by interactive services, they most likely mean "interactive advertising", so you can click a link or something and get more information. I'd be SHOCKED if this turned out to be a good thing.

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    7. Re:Interactive services? by jaysones · · Score: 1

      Too bad- the "interaction" is you getting up and taking out your wallet.

    8. Re:Interactive services? by hhawk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The reality is that interactive TV is here today.

      Video on Demand is really the crown jewel of that. The parts that haven't yet made it including being able to
      vote on American Idol WITHOUT getting off your ass.

      The rest, as we always say waits for a "killer app." Who know what that will be, a few suggestions:

      1) being able to turn OFF the text Scroll at the bottom of
      news stations like CNN or control what does scroll.

      2) On a sports broadcast controlling what stats are displayed, picking camera angles, etc.

      3) Besides voting, all manner of interaction for reality TV shows.

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    9. Re:Interactive services? by Enigma2175 · · Score: 1

      notification when you get a new email, or caller ID information shown on your TV

      MythTV already does this (and has better PVR features than the telcos/cablecos).

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    10. Re:Interactive services? by Megane · · Score: 1
      I don't want an interactive service or TV over IP. Between free over the air HDTV, DVD, and Japanese and British (more Dr. Who is a month away!) shows that I download over bittorrent (which wouldn't appear here for months or years if ever), I've got plenty. I don't have cable or satellite TV now, and I won't want it from the phone company either.

      What I do want is a higher upstream bandwidth. Right now I have 512K up, but even 2-3 megs would be really nice. They're building a Project Lightspeed box right up the street from me, less than 1000 wire feet away. When that baby lights up, I want the faster internet (VDSL2 can go 50-100mbits symmetrical at that distance), and that's it.

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    11. Re:Interactive services? by XMilkProject · · Score: 1

      Well, I rather enjoy interactive services. The VideoOnDemand provided by my cable television company allows me to interactively browse a list of movies, and when watching the movie I can fast forward, rewind, pause, etc.

      This OnDemand model is hugely more valuable than scheduled programming. I don't even have to Tivo an episode of sopranos, I just goto the HBO-OnDemand list and choose whichever episode I want to see.

      It is though, a bit slow, as every key I press must be sent to the provider, and a video stream altered/chosen and sent back to me. So lower latency will help here.

      I expect it won't be long until most all television is on demand, as things such as Tivo have shown that this is what people want.

      Also, for those that do not have access to this service from their provider, let me explain that there are both pay and free items. For instance I can watch any shows/movies that air on Starz/Hbo/etc for free whenever I want, but new release movies (things on DVD) are available for $3.99 or $2.99, which is still much cheaper than my local blockbuster.

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    12. Re:Interactive services? by MrFlibbs · · Score: 1

      Everyone seems to be overlooking the most essential interactive feature of all -- the interactive program guide.

      Without an interactive guide you must tune to a separate channel where all channels scroll by slowly with current and near-term only listings. With an interactive menu, you can choose which channels to monitor as well as look much farther ahead.

      The pay-per-view and sports viewing angles are, IMHO, of little value. However, the interactive program guide is essential.

    13. Re:Interactive services? by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      In the US, do we see much interactive penetration?

      I don't know...maybe you should ask these guys.

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    14. Re:Interactive services? by Wiener · · Score: 1
      Don't forget...

      4) Being able to turn off the station ID that takes up the bottom half of the screen.

    15. Re:Interactive services? by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      picking camera angles

      Videotron in Montreal used to have this (1990) for hockey games with Videoway.

    16. Re:Interactive services? by hhawk · · Score: 1

      All of the "features" that I mention have been used in various forms over the years in various systems.

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    17. Re:Interactive services? by hhawk · · Score: 1

      Check out www.futuretvshow.com

      Check out who the sponsors are :)

      Making TV interactive a "a bit" harder than making web sites do the same thing because so much of TV watching happens in synchrony; with millions of viewers watching at the same time. Even when web sites experience heavy loads, you can expect that everyone one isn't doing at the same time. Of course with interactive TV user initialed features will happen more sporadically and more distributed. But watch one when 100 million homes need to have the same interactive element pop up at the same time, and within seconds people in those homes start interacting..

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  2. Yes, but when? by matr0x_x · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Saying it will work on the "next-gen optical network" doesn't provide a time line for someone as uneducated as myself. Could someone please put a rough time line on this?

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    1. Re:Yes, but when? by wildstoo · · Score: 1

      When It's Done (tm)

    2. Re:Yes, but when? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When there's end-to-end DRM and your PC is locked down with DRM hardware and can be "trusted" (see Intel Macs)... and when there's a nice super-fast fibre optic network running right into your home.

      So... part way there already. Thanks Steve Jobs, and thanks Intel.

    3. Re:Yes, but when? by alexhs · · Score: 1

      Right now !

      Of course, I'm in Europe (Paris)...
      SDTV in MPEG2TS is available.

      I'm guessing most western european capitals and korea, japan have it too...

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    4. Re:Yes, but when? by CaymanIslandCarpedie · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The timeline would be roughtly never. You need to understand the history of the US telcos corruption. The most glaring example of this in relation to broadband was they 1996 Telecommunications Reform Act where the telecos lobbied for and recieved more than $200 Billion (yes billion) in tax breaks and other benefits in exchange for thier promise to build out "next gen" internet access with at least 45 Mbps.

      Or course once they got the money they decided DSL would be much cheaper to build out and they could still charge customers a lot for it (even though its only a fraction of the speed promised). So this little "bait and switch" is why the US is still sitting at our measily DSL speeds while Japan, Korea, and much of Europe are now in the 45-100 Mbps ranges.

      My guess is all this talk is because its been a decade and they see a president who LOVES giving away hundreds of billions of dollars away to huge corporations via tax cuts so it might be a good time to hit up the tax payers for another few hundred billion on more empty promises.

      I find it just amazing the congress never even tried to hold the telecos to thier promises. I guess they had some pretty good lobbiests or congress just really is that inept (or both).

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    5. Re:Yes, but when? by jnkt · · Score: 1

      What I don't get is why the US aren't ahead of the pack when it comes to high bandwidth connections to the citizen. Isn't the idea that the free market should provide the best service at the lowest prices to people have resulted in the the self proclaimed free market leader of the world to be leaders in this area?

      Something here doesn't click ...

    6. Re:Yes, but when? by Archibald+Buttle · · Score: 1

      Whilst Korea may be high up in broadband adoption, most people there have regular ADSL links, often running at just 2Mbps. There may be some faster links available, but none of my wife's family over there has them, or seem to know anything about them.

      Of course since I'm not Korean, don't speak the language, and none of them are really geeks or have much interest in high speed data comms, or indeed speak good English, I haven't been able to spend a lot of time chatting with them about this.

      As for much of Europe having 45-100Mbps, please, tell me where and how much. This is certainly not the case in the UK. The best we can get is 24Mbps ADSL if you live very close to an exchange, and the general max is 8Mbps.

    7. Re:Yes, but when? by Azghoul · · Score: 1

      Yeah, something doesn't click - your "idea". You mistake "best service" for "most profitable" service. It doesn't make sense for the telcos (I just mistyped that "telcons". Subconscious??) to spend more than they already are on infrastructure (witness Verizon with FiOS this year).

    8. Re:Yes, but when? by jnkt · · Score: 1

      So, you're saying that a free market isn't necessarily always the best option for the citizen of a country? Hmm. quite a shocker. Perhaps someone should notify the politicians asking them to.. I dunno .. revise some regulations?

      Having publicly funded infrastructure for the citizen doesn't seem all that bad all of a sudden.

    9. Re:Yes, but when? by phmilo · · Score: 1

      The problem w/ your argument is it's not really a free market. There were compromises made and incentives given to companies so they would build huge infrastructure, and undertake risks that they would not normally take. Those companies used their position to behave in a monopolistic way, and were broken up by congress. The resulting smaller companies continued to use their advantaged positions to behave in ways that were not friendly to their customers because they had no real competition. They became comfortable in those positions and missed the chance to make real changes when they had the opportunity (and incentives), and are now feeling the pinch as consumers seek out other more competitive goods and services.

      So yes, the free market does work, even when governments and entrenched incumbents conspire against it.

    10. Re:Yes, but when? by XMilkProject · · Score: 1

      Yes, if we had a free market. But the telco's buy whatever laws or tax breaks they need for our congressmen.

      It seems there are a few people in congress that are actually making tiny changes to this problem, with new regulations and harsher penalties for those that accept bribes. But I don't know how much change is possible, as the Constition clearly specifies that these people have the right to Lobby to congress, and no number of laws can stop AT&T from "donating" a few million to congressman x's local education fund.

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    11. Re:Yes, but when? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      actually, I work for an underground construction company in the midwest, and our business is booming due to "fiber to the home". lots of the small telcos are being funded by R. U. S.(the feds man). Those funds must be used to place new high speed systems or they are lost. last year alone my crew(not company)was responsible for placing complete systems in 3 different small towns(roughly 1000-3000 population).

      my point....it takes time to place all that cable. It's not that the telcos aren't trying. Until you do the work, you will never appreciate the headaches that go with it.There is already so much crap in the ground in most areas, that most of the time is spent in just avoiding cuts. My job specifically is to expose and measure depth of existing cables, for avoidance reasons. I have exposed over 1000 spots a day for 6 months out of the year for 8 years now. Theres a TON of stuff out there. Stuff that can't be cut because god forbid that someone misses an episode of Days. Or worse yet that they can't make or recieve a call for 1/2 an hour. Then theres gas lines, power cables...the list goes on. Everyone wants High speed NOW, but won't sacrifice Low speed for a short while to get it.

      Don't blame the telcos for the speed they are going. Blame yourselves.

    12. Re:Yes, but when? by M-G · · Score: 1

      And now AT&T is working to get legislation through various state governments that would make it easier for them to enter the TV market. Under the banner of 'fairness' they want the state to remove the franchising rules currently in place for cable operators so that they can just jump in and compete.

    13. Re:Yes, but when? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "you will never appreciate the headaches that go with it.There is already so much crap in the ground in most areas, that most of the time is spent in just avoiding cuts."

      If it is that difficult to put it underground...why not just string it on the poles alongside the cable and phone lines?

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    14. Re:Yes, but when? by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      I find it just amazing the congress never even tried to hold the telecos to thier promises. I guess they had some pretty good lobbiests or congress just really is that inept (or both).

      Well, the congress critters got paid, right? They don't get paid for holding promises (I can't believe I just wrote that!)

      Anywhoo, can someone fill me in here?

      Why does "streaming" suck?

      By that I mean that I can get HDTV shows on my TV via cable that are 1080i (1920x1080) resolution with quality audio (don't know the details here), but I would be lucky to get a stream of 640x480 without dropped frames or whatever _over the same cable line_.

      What is the difference?

      To me, the whole "streaming" and IP thing sucks for media. Actually, DTV has some limitations over analog TV. Occasionally, DTV can have audio lags or dropouts and massive pixelization and other artifacts. My cable providers offerings for Comedy Central over "digital" cable sucks in quality compared to the analog version.

      I do not know the underlying networking issues here at all, but I do know that streaming is completely inferior to what is available now, and it will probably always be inferior (hence the need for "next gen optical network".

      I would love to know what the attraction for using IP or other networking options over whatever "broadcast" is. To me, I prefer the quality and reliability of the "old school" method.

    15. Re:Yes, but when? by Azghoul · · Score: 1

      You mistake what I'm saying. "Best" is exactly what I mean. But the definition of "best" is utterly relative. What's "best" for you might be 100% broadband penetration, damn the tax cost! To me, "best" is certainly not that.

      Unfortunately for socialists, the free market is usually the most successful method for maximizing "best" interests among all parties involved. Of course, there's no moral quotient to the expression, so occasionally the free market appears cruel and heartless.

  3. Hmm HDTV Still Cripled... by Xserv · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This doesn't seem like a good idea. The bandwidth is STILL an issue and it's crippling HDTV signals still. Isn't this kind of a waste of time? Xserv

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    1. Re:Hmm HDTV Still Cripled... by k_net · · Score: 0

      "pr0n enthusiasts do it with fat pipes"

    2. Re:Hmm HDTV Still Cripled... by Goth+Biker+Babe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The thing about IPTV is that, unlike cable/satellite where you have to broadcast all of the channels all of the time, you only need broadcast those channels that are needed. This means that at worst each home only needs enough bandwidth for four channels (assuming PVRs and multiple STBs). With an appropriately designed network you can get away with far less bandwidth. Yes HD is not possible with current ADSL speeds (although SD IPTV is more than possible) but they are talking about 20Mb for next gen. ADSL which is plenty.

    3. Re:Hmm HDTV Still Cripled... by badfish99 · · Score: 1

      No, it's a great idea. I'm looking forward to getting all this extra ADSL bandwith from my telco, so that I can use it for downloading torrents of TV shows instead of having to pay for cable TV.

    4. Re:Hmm HDTV Still Cripled... by Xserv · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I see what you're saying here but look at it from a central office perspective. They have bottleneck issues now, what's adding a few TB of video from 500 customers per region going to do to the CO? I have a pretty solid feeling it's going to stifle the abilities of all services. You only have as much bandwidth as the central office's pipe to the rest of the network.

      FTFA:
      ". . .MPEG-2 streams will require almost twice the space (3.5 Mbps for SDTV, 18-20 Mbps for HDTV). . ."
      That leaves you 0-2MB for anything else per subscriber based on the 20MB next gen ADSL estimates. So an HD customer is going to get degraded quality which defeats the purpose of HD signals or you'll get only one stream which eliminates the ability to use PVR. Am I wrong here and just not seeing something?

      Xserv
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    5. Re:Hmm HDTV Still Cripled... by fiji · · Score: 1

      You can test your current bandwidth with the free website: http://testyouripvideo.com/

      The site is somewhat geared to testing your connection for video confercing, but it is still pretty useful.

      -ben

    6. Re:Hmm HDTV Still Cripled... by harryk · · Score: 1

      Actually, you are just a bit wrong. HD content (and the move to such) generally speaking does not require you to carry high quality video. The intent was to move to a different spectrum. So, just because you are getting an HD signal, does not automagically ensure that you will get HD quality, as it has become to be known. ie... HD is all of the following 480p, 720i, 720p, 1080i, 1080p, and 1920i (i think) ... each quality obviously being better than the previous.. however all are HD.

      So it could be argued that the cable/teclo will still deliver HD content, but just at a lower resolution than what you might want, even quite possibly below the 480p mark.

      At anyrate, I unfortunately don't have any links to backup what I'm sharing. But I've talked with local providers, and have done a fair amount of research to understand HD signals. The whole idea is to get more information, and to move to a different spectrum, better quality video is a side effect...

      harryk

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    7. Re:Hmm HDTV Still Cripled... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article is wrong. MPEG-4 is what is being used today! - just check out SES-Americon IP Prime. SES-Americon is the largest provider of content streams to cable and now, with IP Prime, to IPTV. HDTV only requires about 4 Mbps using MPEG-4.

    8. Re:Hmm HDTV Still Cripled... by Goth+Biker+Babe · · Score: 1

      MPEG-2 for HD is so last year. I would not expect *any* sensible IPTV provider to try and provide MPEG2 HD. All the European cable and satellite HD boxes are using H264 for the HD streams. This means you're looking at about 6Mb per HD channel not 18-20Mb.

    9. Re:Hmm HDTV Still Cripled... by pediwent · · Score: 1

      A couple of things. The other repliers are correct, the telcos are looking at H.264 (technically the same as MPEG-4), which will allow them to stream HD at MUCH lower data rates than MPEG-2. The other point is that they're also investing heavily in fiber infrastructures to support much higher data rates to the home. For new construction, we're looking at fiber taken directly to the home (wouldn't that be nice!) and for existing homes, you can still expect 30Mbps or more from vDSL over a fiber/copper hybrid. So the good news is that you can get your TV, voice, and 10Mbps Internet connection (maybe more if you're not watching TV at the time), but you have to wait for the build out in your neighborhood.

    10. Re:Hmm HDTV Still Cripled... by code4fun · · Score: 1

      MPEG-4 and VDSL will make it possible.

  4. next-gen optical network. by quakeroatz · · Score: 3, Funny

    next-gen optical nework.
    Nice! I was waiting for them to find something faster than slow old......light

    1. Re:next-gen optical network. by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      The actual speed at which a piece of information travels down a wire doesn't have anything to do with bandwidth, electricity travels down copper wires at the speed of light too.

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    2. Re:next-gen optical network. by Plammox · · Score: 1

      ...assuming it's not in the proximity of any dielectric with a relavive permittivity other than 1. Otherwise it would travel slower. Surface lines on typical printed circuit boards would support a proparagion velocity of 2/3rds of the speed of light.

    3. Re:next-gen optical network. by quakeroatz · · Score: 1

      Upgrade your firmware bud, speed of light is so 10baseT. Are you on a Mac?

  5. Television is changing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No, Television is dying on its ass. Its got nothing to do with technology and everything to do with content.
    Not wanting to throw the usual Slashdot cynicism about here, but 'TV is DEAD!!'
    Even the dullest couch potatoes I know are turning off their TVs and finding more interesting things to do with life.
    I must have heard it 20 times a week, "Wow there's nothing but shite on TV isn't there?". Maybe its the war and the depressing Orwellian propaganda? Maybe its the new depths advertising has sunk to blatently insulting the viewers self esteem? Maybe its that cheap reality TV has exhausted everyones patience?

    What do kids talk about? Funny video clips they got off Flickr or YouTube, and more and more I hear adults talk about what they heard on the radio. Maybe radio is going to have a revival?

    Personally I havent watched TV in over 4 months, not even casually, by accident. I haven't owned a TV in more than 6 years.

    1. Re:Television is changing by Bazzalisk · · Score: 2, Funny
      I haven't owned a TV in four years, but when I catch something on someone else's box there's usualy something good on the BBC.

      ...

      Oh, you meant american TV.

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    2. Re:Television is changing by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1, Funny
      when I catch something on someone else's box there's usualy something good on the BBC.

      Yeah right. Someone else's TV. The detector van will be there shortly!

    3. Re:Television is changing by uniqueUser · · Score: 0

      "Wow there's nothing but shite on TV isn't there?"

      But we all still flip through the channels a second, third, and fourth time before finally settling on either the History Channel, or the Food Network.

      -Thanks for all the cheese.

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    4. Re:Television is changing by xtracto · · Score: 1

      Lol that's a good one.

      I refuse to pay the overpriced monopoly tithe. I do not watch television and anybody that tells me that tithing the government prevents advertizing is lying (there are advertisments on UK).

      Anyway, I have changed my TV with www.ess.tv they have everything I like to see, they have no advertising and it is cheap ($5 us a month). I've got 45 channels full of great programs (great for me anyway) like

      simpsons, family guy, southpark, futurama, that 70 show, xfiles, smallvile, arrested development, seinfield, invader zim, angel, mustek, ren and stimpy, pinky and the brain, STAR TREK, firefly, lost, 24, xmen, csi

      among others.

      Anyway, I almost only watch the Simpsons sometimes as I do not have too much time. I refuse to spend my time watching commercials.

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  6. google angle by DarkClown · · Score: 1

    It will be interesting to see if this takes off from the google advertising angle. With tivo type profiling and now an ip address it would be a natural for them to very much want to be involved in providing the advertising to user of iptv. What is interesting is that in the their adwords system there is now user targeting by demographic, which, as far as I can tell, is based on the demographic of a site, but if the demographics of the actual tv viewer could somehow be ascertained it would pretty much turn tv advertising on its head.

  7. Wait times by od05 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Instead of channels instantly changing it's going to be *buffering* for a couple of seconds every channel I flip. No thanks.

    1. Re:Wait times by riflemann · · Score: 1


      Instead of channels instantly changing it's going to be *buffering* for a couple of seconds every channel I flip. No thanks.


      No.

      A good IPTV implementation (eg the one we're doing at work) has channel flipping times that are sub-second, comparable to current digital TV. You don't request a connection, wait, wait, buffer, etc. Your (IGMP) request goes only as far as the DSLAM at the end of your DSL line (for TV over DSL) and from there the dslam sends the multicast stream to you directly. Multicast video does not buffer, proper hardware will decode immediately.

      Of course, for on-demand services the flip time's a bit longer, but then again if you are watching an on-demand program, you won't be flipping channels with a 1 second delay on each, you will already know what you want to watch.

      Despite what people say about shite on TV, the technology is there and is being developed. Broadcasters *can* produce good content (eg BBC), but most don't. Unfortunately most IPTV services are somewhat proprietary, but hopefully a DVB-over-IP standard will emerge and we can all happily watch IPTV services with the set-top box (or PC software) of our choice.

    2. Re:Wait times by sootman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You change channels? Huh. Interesting. The only delay I experience while watching TV is waiting for my TiVo's 'now playing' list to populate.

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    3. Re:Wait times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry.. RealPlayer shouldn't have any part of this technology.

      I hope.

    4. Re:Wait times by Charcharodon · · Score: 1
      People don't seem to get the point of IPTV. There wont be a reason to channel surf anymore. People surf because they are bored and are looking for something to watch.

      If I'm bored now I'll surf the web to read or play a game, not to watch random TV channels. The whole point of IPTV is that the content you are interested will be already downloaded and sitting there waiting for you.

      I don't want to watch a broadcast, I want a library. The whole concept of streaming is inane anyway. I don't want to wait for the next rerun showing of episode 3 season 1 of what ever show, I want to be able to grab them in order on my schedule not theirs. They still have some bizzar concept that on demand is some how still a premium service.

      It's something that is something the Teleco's and the Cable companies just can't seem to figure out. Till they do DVD decrypter/shrink and bittorrent will be my best buds.

    5. Re:Wait times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You change channels? Huh. Interesting. The only delay I experience while watching TV is waiting for my TiVo's 'now playing' list to populate.
      The GP wrote "flip," not "change" channels. That means visually browsing the channels (full screen previews) while pushing the "up" or "down" channel buttons. Sometimes people prefer to see what the program looks/sounds like rather than just see titles in TiVo's "now playing" list.
  8. IPTV by clydemaxwell · · Score: 1

    Being an administrator of Cisco's existing IPTV solutions, I probably trust AT&T to do a better job.
    Hell, MICROSOFT could do a better job than this.

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    1. Re:IPTV by dfries · · Score: 1
      They are using Microsoft, "AT&T alone inked a US$400 million deal for Microsoft's IPTV Edition software last year, for instance". Which is why I'm crossing my fingers that after the dust settles I'm hoping that the DSL modem will still provide an Ethernet IP based connection that will work with Linux. I mean, when the content providers are pushing for encryption between your computer and your monitor, why would they want to allow just any device to get at the multicast packets coming over the wire?

      Being a Microsoft based solution it also means I'll not be watching any TV from AT&T. None of my computers at home are running Windows and I don't have a TV. I'm not going to go out and buy a TV and a set top box running Windows just to watch TV that comes over the Internet, thatseems a little silly to me. I have a TV tuner so I can watch TV when I want to, and it has been a while.

  9. Yup by matthew.thompson · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've been using TVoIP for a year an a half now.

    I get Video on Demand, Radio, Broadcast TV and Internet over the ADSL with 2Mbps Internet while watching TV and 5Mbp while it's off (8Mbps is possible on the best lines right now)

    All this and free off-peak and weekend calls and lower line rental from http://www.homechoice.co.uk/

    But it's not that popular yet - the monopolistic Murdoch satellite provider we're stuck with wont flog the channels people want to Homechoice so the channels we can get are fairly limited. The only reason I have it is because I'd have to pay £220 for the first year and £80 a year after that for the priviledge of renting a satellite feed as I'm in a condo and cable haven't gone down our road yet.

    IPTV is frightening Sky so they're buying into it big time right now.

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    1. Re:Yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Homechoice is NOT the future.

      It's a fucking shambles, and the picture quality makes Sky look like HD.

    2. Re:Yup by adsl · · Score: 1

      What you show in homechoice appears to be a closed channel. i.e. one has to sign up for their broadband to get their services which do include TV channels. I am resident in the USA and, for instance, our choice of UK TV is so so limited. My cable channel doesn't even offer BBCAmerica which anywa shows mosts 30 year old sitcoms. I am looking for a source of UK television. Right now I am held ransom to whatever PBS decide to offer, which basically isn't very much these days. How can I receiven UK TV over the internet? (I already have a very hig speed ISP) Thanks

    3. Re:Yup by matthew.thompson · · Score: 1

      This is part of the issue - there's TV over Internet and TVoIP - I have the latter.

      The big TV cos still don't want you accessing content in areas where you're not meant to be accessing them and because of that TVoIP is pretty much limited to those people who can directly get you bandwidth.

      I know that for many TV over the Internet sounds like a great idea but I get about one glitch per day with Homechoice - watching the same bandwidth TV streams over the internet would be far worse. Buffering, dropping down to lower bandwidths, codec issues etc - None of thse exist on TVoIP platforms because the platform is partially closed and can offer total QoS.

      For me I have a garunteed 5Mbs (or thereabouts) into Homechoice's network and my STB decides what amount of that is used for what. When the TV is on I can't exceed about 2Mbps downloads, when it's off the speed is instanly up to 5Mbps.

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  10. More competition is good, lag is bad by digitaldc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When the local office receives this request, it checks to make sure that the user is authorized to view the new channel, then directs the routers in the local office to add that particular user to the channel's distribution list. In this way, only signals that are currently being watched are actually being sent from the local office to the DSLAM and on to the user.

    Sounds like if you change the 'channel' you will have to wait for it to load a few packets to get it started first, I don't see how it could be instantaneous or even quicker than a few seconds. But if most things were 'on-demand' it may not matter that much.

    More competition will hopefully mean that our cable bills will go down. Wait and see...

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    1. Re:More competition is good, lag is bad by puneypunk · · Score: 0

      Here in the UK, NTL uses fibre optics for interweb and TV. We have quite a comprehensive selection of channels, but like you say as it is 'streamed' it can take a while to change channels, in fact i was told by a technician it can technically take upto 45 seconds :\

      As the broadband comes down the same line, when i'm torrenting like crap you can tell by the TV as the picture isnt so defined and it takes longer to change channel. The funny thing is, a friend of mine on a very similar NTL deal got packeted by some T3+ a year or so back - don't piss people off on irc - and the TV outright didnt work for nearly three days.

    2. Re:More competition is good, lag is bad by bloosheep · · Score: 1

      Um, do you have satellite TV? It takes a moment for a channel to come up as the MPEG-2 data assembles itself. Digital cable, the last time I looked at it, suffers the same problem. Would a few extra packets make a big difference?

    3. Re:More competition is good, lag is bad by natersoz · · Score: 0

      The paper (which I have not read) does not adequately address what is happening. The multicast router nearest the home (owned by the service provider - ie a telco) has knowledge of your subscription list. This is now mature technology, say since 2001-2. Therefore, when your STB (set top box) makes an IGMP join request the multicast router confirms or denies the request and starts streaming video over UDP multicast.

      That is how the multicast works. In the single VOD (video on demand) case, a full billing session takes place and an RTSP/TCP session sets up the UDP stream. That would be a bit slower, yet much faster than just getting up and putting a DVD in the player.

    4. Re:More competition is good, lag is bad by 503 · · Score: 1

      I've been using an IPTV over ADSL service for five years now (SaskTel Max) and channel changes take between 1 and 1.5 seconds. About the same as the local digital cable service (Access Digital) and miles ahead of satellite.

      You only notice the buffering if you've got two TVs within earshot. If both sets are tuned to the same channel, they may be out of sync by a second or two. After a minute or so the signals will eventually synchronise.

  11. Re:The "Maginot" Boundary of Connectivity by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1, Funny
    Yeah, and we all know how wrong Maginot turned out to be...

    You mean, like Belgians will resell German satellite smartcards to French users, so they can watch their soccer matches without needing an expensive Canal+ subscription ;-) ?

  12. Begin to worry now.... by Whiteox · · Score: 1

    All these systems will cause the death of Free-To-Air TV. Even though FTA is mostly crap, it is still free.

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    1. Re:Begin to worry now.... by Frobisher · · Score: 1

      Again, talking about American TV here.

  13. Not Quite Consumer Friendly by SunTzu96 · · Score: 1

    While the article provides a well-written guide to IPTV and how it works, I think most consumers would not find this an "introduction." Most average consumers have a hard time understanding that IPTV is not Internet TV...let alone MPEG-2, H.264, multicasting, DSLAM, etc.

  14. WOW, there is nothing but shite on TV isn't there. by Shivetya · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hate to break it to ya but this line is nearly as old as TV itself.

    There is never anything on TV to watch but many will still watch something anyway. Face it, people like to complain but do nothing about it. They will still turn the same old shite on and just be content to bitch about it.

    With hundreds of channels there is bound to be something on that is appealing enough to prevent most from turning the set off. With video on demand services and TIVO devices there are even more opportunities for TV to be part of people's lives.

    The only way TV is going away is when we manage to convince people to call it something else. It will still have nothing for us to watch or do that we "want" to watch or do but we still will.

    go figure

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  15. ...Said the guy in 1979 by Big_Al_B · · Score: 2, Insightful

    when coax cable got strung to his door.

  16. I've had this for a few years by Colin-W-Holywell · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is old news to Canadians. I have had IPTV for a few years now and I like it. It is more than just TV it's got video on demand, internet, email and games. Other nice thing are interactive weather forecasts and local news. And there is no "buffering". The only thing that is annoying is that the menus load kind of like a website. All the text appears and the graphics follow a few seconds later. My provider Sasktel came and installed a free wireless router and wired every room with CAT5 jacks for free. What more could you ask for?

    1. Re:I've had this for a few years by alexhs · · Score: 1

      And there is no "buffering"

      Sort of. Suscribing to a channel takes time and then, as the channel is MPEG2/TS here (France), you need to wait the next I-Frame.

      Overall I need to wait 2,5 to 3 seconds, if loading channel data isn't involved.

      The only thing that is annoying is that the menus load kind of like a website.

      And it's because menus are HTTP stream. I know that because I'm working on that right now, with ADSL TV decoders from two providers.

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    2. Re:I've had this for a few years by bigdavex · · Score: 1

      You work for FT?

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    3. Re:I've had this for a few years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, people in Canada have indeed had this service for years. However it is ultimately provided by a US company.

    4. Re:I've had this for a few years by alexhs · · Score: 1

      No :)

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    5. Re:I've had this for a few years by 503 · · Score: 1

      I also use SaskTel's IPTV service. What more could I ask for? HD for one. Enabling the digital audio jack on the back of the set top box would be nice. What about a PVR?

      All of these will be here soon, however. SaskTel is supposed to roll out fibre to the curb sometime this year that will give us the bandwidth for HD and the new STB will include digital connections and a PVR.

    6. Re:I've had this for a few years by wraezor · · Score: 2, Funny

      Benefit offset entirely by the fact that you have to live in Saskatchewan.

    7. Re:I've had this for a few years by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Sort of. Suscribing to a channel takes time and then, as the channel is MPEG2/TS here (France), you need to wait the next I-Frame.

      'course, it should be noted that this is a problem for any MPEG2-based video solution, including those provided by cable and satellite operators.

    8. Re:I've had this for a few years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My provider Sasktel came and installed a free wireless router and wired every room with CAT5 jacks for free.

      Huh? Wanna go through that again for us slow ones?

    9. Re:I've had this for a few years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's coming. I was hired for an 8 month term at SaskTel for just this purpose. I'll be disconnecting old high speed/max, and hooking up the new stuff that supposedly gets 20mpbs downstream.

    10. Re:I've had this for a few years by akorvemaker · · Score: 1
      Benefit offset entirely by the fact that you have to live in Saskatchewan.

      You misspelled "get". :-)

    11. Re:I've had this for a few years by dadragon · · Score: 1

      Yes, because SaskTel is a US company, and so is Alcatel.

      It all seems so clear to me now :)

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    12. Re:I've had this for a few years by dadragon · · Score: 1

      And where, pray tell, do you live?

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  17. Re:WOW, there is nothing but shite on TV isn't the by LordSnooty · · Score: 1

    Why are audiences plummeting in all major TV markets? According to a recent survey, the average Brit now spends more time on-line than in front of the TV. Though how much of that on-line time is spent actually watching TV is open to debate. For me, quite a lot.

  18. TV is bubble-gum for the eyes .... by an_unknown_soldier · · Score: 0

    .... and produced for the lowest common denominator of intelligence in society. Hence "Big Brother" and "Who Wants To Marry A Millionaire".

  19. Re:The "Maginot" Boundary of Connectivity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not really comparable. Maginot's mandate was to build his line, not to remove it...

  20. Coming at ya like a (slow) freight train ... by notpaul · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Without taking the time to elaborate on all of the parameters (this is a complex situation and it's too early in the AM here ...) all folks really need to know is that "broadband TV" is coming, and it is a *VERY* good thing.

    The confluence of technology development, trends in the entertainment industry (all kinds of trends: economic, demographic, etc.), government & regulatory evolution, and other forces are (admittedly) slowly but surely creating a vacuum that can only be filled by a "fourth provider" of television service. (In addition to OTA (over-the-air), DBS (direct-broadcast satellite), and cable.)

    The cable television industry shares a good portion of the blame (or credit) for this situation, which will ultimately dig the grave for much of their own profits. Their stranglehold on most "in-home" entertainment - including the WWW - coupled with their buccaneer behavior trying to eat the telco's lunch (with IP phone service) have brought competitors out of the woodwork. And some of these competitors (like SBC/AT&T) come to play. Add to the mix the upward-spiraling cost of cable TV, and you have what business-people like to call "low-hanging fruit."

    Before y'all get started ... OF COURSE there are bugs in the current crop of offerings ... none of it is going to seriously damage the cablecos bottom-line ... YET. But you don't have to be Warren Buffett to see indicators are appearing like the hand writing on the wall. The stage of the game where small innovators test the market (Akimbo, etc.) has already past. The big boys with lots of cash are now wading into the pool. The train has left the station. Need a few more metaphors?

    And of course, this is all "A Good Thing" (TM) because it will mean a good ol' fashioned PRICE WAR. How long since we've seen *that* happen in TV? Ever? When AT&T (or some other player with deep pockets) steps up to offer a viable TV service for $19.95 a month (a permanent, not a "promotional" price) ... or bundled services (voice/data/TV) for $49.95 a month ... you will hear the cableco executives screaming halfway around the globe. Yippee!

    One more prediction: Watch for a la carte TV to become a reality in the next 2-3 years. The reason being that as all of this competition heats up, networks (think Turner or Discovery) will start to wake-up to the fact that there is a niche of viewers out there who would like to pay them directly for delivery of a reasonable-quality stream over the broadband connection they already have ... and that they can deliver that product without giving the cable company (or the telco) a sniff of the fee. The status quo of the recent (and distant) past created a detente where no one was willing to cross this line. We are about to enter a "wild and wooly" phase wherein all bets are off.

    Okay ... enough rambling ... I'm off to refill my coffee cup.

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    1. Re:Coming at ya like a (slow) freight train ... by Whiteox · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Watch for a la carte TV to become a reality in the next 2-3 years. The reason being that as all of this competition heats up, networks (think Turner or Discovery) will start to wake-up to the fact that there is a niche of viewers out there who would like to pay them directly for delivery of a reasonable-quality stream over the broadband connection they already have .."

      I most certainly hope so. Currently, sat and cable packages are a waste of money and channel space.
      Many of us would like to customise content which is not possible to do now. I don't want to pay for channel content I don't watch. But why do providers sell packages rather than individual channels? I too would like al la carte to happen soon.
      But will IPTV or other provide that?

      What about DRM? If I pay for content, then I want to back it up and watch it wherever and on whatever I want to watch it on.
      In fact, the whole media development is regressing to the early 60's when there was no consumer recording available. DRM will do that in the sense that it is pay-per-view and then view again (if your lucky and if it is not streamed) using DRM licences. If your HD crashes then you've lost it all. The technology to provide a backup of content and licences is expensive to buy and maintain. Not a very clear and easy future by any means.
      Methinks that the golden age is passing before our eyes.

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    2. Re:Coming at ya like a (slow) freight train ... by KiroDude · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sorry if I sound a little be too "piratious", but "A LA CARTE TV" is already present on the internet, some call it emule, others BitTorrent. Quite honestly, as long as I do not have an acceptable service with really reasonable prices I'll continue to use any of those "oh, because of you the industry is dead" services. I have no conscience problem at all in doing what I do, or at least I have as much as TV producers have when they treat viewrs like dumb fat ass couch potates that need to be told what to watch.

    3. Re:Coming at ya like a (slow) freight train ... by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      I've emuled more than enough video/music to find that they've been put into a share folder and they've been DRMed. Impossible to view. These are mainly WMF- which I would really like to filter out of searches.
      This is only going to get worse.
      I wouldn't mind paying a fee for content I want. I do that now. But I'm not happy with the conditions I forsee that all of us will have to put up with in the future.

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    4. Re:Coming at ya like a (slow) freight train ... by KiroDude · · Score: 1
      I've heard a lot of people complaining about the "quality" of downloads via e-mule, I have 2 basic things for you:

      • You're downloading something that is FREE, it is really lame to complain about something you get for free.
      • It doesn't take much time to get used to Emule, know how it works, and know which files are "fake" or not before downloading them.

      The point I try to make here is that we're becoming professional complainers that prefer to pay and have the right to complain to have something done instead of taking the time to learn how to make it ourselves. I find this quite sad, but then again I might be the only one to find it so.
    5. Re:Coming at ya like a (slow) freight train ... by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "One more prediction: Watch for a la carte TV to become a reality in the next 2-3 years. The reason being that as all of this competition heats up, networks (think Turner or Discovery) will start to wake-up to the fact that there is a niche of viewers out there who would like to pay them directly for delivery of a reasonable-quality stream over the broadband connection they already have ... and that they can deliver that product without giving the cable company (or the telco) a sniff of the fee."

      Unfortunately, I think this is the one innovation that all providers (including AT&T) will be fighting tooth and nail. The majority of idiots who they hope will migrate to this won't be begging for a la carte tv, so they will have proof that "people want bundles!" which they will continue to ram down our throats because they make more money off of them right now than they supposedly would off of a la carte. Of course, since none of them have ventured to try this nobody can be sure. The only example they have is premium channels like Showtime and HBO who....well....who have done quite well for themselves because of their EXCELLENT content that people willing to pay a premium for.

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  21. BBC (was Re:Television is changing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The current Planet Earth series is great - must have cost a bomb and a lot of time to make.
    Dr Who when it comes back is also very good.
    Otherwise - not much worth watching. Better off going out cycling/karate/whatever.

    Hmmm, someone who does martial arts, and has words like "Bomb" and "Martial" in his online posts. I wonder how long before the black helicopters arrive ;-)

  22. Green Eggs and Ham TV by tizzyD · · Score: 1

    Not all of us want to live under rocks. There are many good productions on TV; the issues revolve around their delivery.

    I see TV becoming more akin to books, that is any place, any time delivery systems of information. What really does that mean:

    • You can watch a production whenever you wish--after it's been published/broadcasted, as it were.
    • You can watch a production where ever you wish--if it's ok with the person next to you in the plane, as it were.
    • You can watch a production on what device you want--so I can catch up on an interesting story on the hellishly boring treadmill.
    • You can watch only the productions you want to watch--and not be forced to sit through yet another Survivor load of backstabing bastards whose only claim to fame will be their appearance naked on TV.

    That does not imply for all the fearmongers out there widespread copying etc. There are ways to make this vision work, but it has to be openly embraced by producers and distributors, not fought tooth and nail. All they need to actually look around. TV is starting to work this way, but because of people wanting it this way, not because of the producers' efforts. It's the reality of TiVos, downloading the media to your PSP to watch on a plane, or torrenting an episode that you might have missed (because the bastards pre-empted my coverage for some news crap I did not even care about).

    That's the new reality. Green eggs and ham.

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    1. Re:Green Eggs and Ham TV by crosstalk · · Score: 1

      This has allready been underway for sometime. I do not think outside of a sporting event that I have watched a show on its regular time in a year. DVR/tivo/whathaveyou lets anybody control it. If you have the right set up you can put it on your computer and then take to another device. TV shows, much better from DVR. This is the same thing that has been happening with all the other mediums out there. the TV is letting people control thier viewing EASILY instead of being dictated to when they will watch and how they will watch. this loops back around to the other article last week about movie viewship being down. I know I wait for most movies to watch on my big screen(in my comfortable house, with my sound system) when I want to. So the market demands have changes, Does not mean tv is dead, just means traditional broadcasting is not what people are looking for.

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    2. Re:Green Eggs and Ham TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just wish the media companies would get it through their fucking heads that selling me what I want to watch is their best course of action. No matter how hard I try, ever single argument comes right back to this point sooner or later.

      See, I don't watch half the TV I did when I was a kid and I pay attention to even less of it. Yeah, I know. Internet, Nintendo, "nothing to watch" = old as TV itself. Still, I can't help but notice this lack of interest.

      15-20 years ago, Garfield would do jokes about cable (this was way back before it was "in" to hate the strip). 7 trillion channels with nothing to watch and The Paint Drying Channel. Lo and behold, it is so very true today. Seriously, those of you with digital cable or satellite, what have you got?

      A dozen shopping networks, 6 channels of government TV, several food channels, 50 "added value" radio stations doing Clear Channel in parallel, a couple TV-guide type stations, 8 variations of ESPN, a dozen 24-hour news sites regurgiating the same 24 seconds of content, and a couple dozen Pay-Per-View or "OnDemand" (what a joke) channels...all of them doing infomercials from midnight to noon. Oh, and then you have your Comedy Central, SciFi, a half dozen toon channels (still can't get Boomerang of course!) and the more "big-3" type network stuff (all of whom are rotating their schedules 2-3 times a day).

      It's down to the point where, if the FCC managed to force ala carte pricing, I'd still have a hard time justifying a $10 bill even for just SciFi. TV on DVD has really taken the wind out of the subscription model, as I predicted (OK, I was off, I was for TV on VHS years before Columbia House started pushing it) and hoped it would. Nobody wants to show The A-Team or Batman Animated? Fuck 'em, I've got the DVDs and that library is growing every week.

      The only thing really holding the phenomena back, IMO, is a lack of available back-catalogue and the ridiculous pricing (looking at you Paramount). I think the back catalogue is a victim of the copyright problem...if someone else were able to release, say, Challenge of the GoBots (talk about obscure), Warner might jump on it if only to crush a competitor.

      At any rate, subscription TV is on the way out for me. Next move I do won't include a call to Comcast or DirecTV.

  23. Great, now they can see what I watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With IPTV, it will be possible for the cable companies to log exactly what channels I watch when. What about privacy?

    1. Re:Great, now they can see what I watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes and what is this privacy thing you speak of?

    2. Re:Great, now they can see what I watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm... They can do that already. That little set-top box that allows you to watch PPV and VoD programs talks in both directions.

    3. Re:Great, now they can see what I watch by dfries · · Score: 1
      Someone once wrote a program for the old HP48G calculators that let them be used as normal remotes. You just need to have it wake up and change the channel once and a while while you aren't there. If you do a good enough job it can just happen to always be on the channel you want to watch when you want to watch it so no one will ever know what you actually watch.

      Just be nice and make sure you skip the shopping channels. If they think enough people are watching 10 hours of the shopping channel a day we just might end up with nothing else on.

  24. The dark side of the force will win... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ... right now, the Emperor is preparing his fleet of death stars to kill free TV.

    Well, don't worry. It will still be called free TV.

    You'll have to pay a monthly fee to get it. But don't worry, that's just a fee for the technical distribution, it's not for the content!

    Oh, and because of the necessary subscription you'll need to hand over your personal data. But don't worry, these will be treated in accordance with data protection laws. Sure! Honest!

    And you need to buy a new settop box too, because the old one will no longer work.

    Isn't progress beautiful?

  25. Own a single DVR by gameboyhippo · · Score: 1

    From the article: This will allow a user to own a single DVR that can be controlled from any set in any room.

    You mean like mythtv?

  26. more accurate than Diabold Presidential Votes..... by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

    I bet any cable-tv/tv voting system is more 100% full proof than any diabold justice dept approved
    voting system to vote in a 'illegal' presidente' that is part of a secret cult and CIA family.

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  27. Satellite, anyone? by bloosheep · · Score: 1

    Does anyone here note that my telco (formerly SBC, formerly Ameritech, now AT&T) has a monetary interest in Dish Network (formerly Echostar)? I bought DSL + landline + Dish satellite TV in one call to them back a year and a half ago, and am being charged on the same bill. Some points here: * Is there room for IPTV when satellite is ubiquitous, cheap, offers many channels and supports multi-room setups? * If IPTV is the wave of the future, does AT&T have a problem now that they own some of Dish, and were promoting it as a cable alternative? Or does Dish have a problem? ahref=http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20051229/19 9211_F.shtmlrel=url2html-27661http://www.techdirt. com/articles/20051229/199211_F.shtml>

  28. Commercial Buffering by EBFoxbat · · Score: 1

    Well, dont shot commercials. During the time when everyone else is seeing them, buffer the next segment of the show. This should, in theory, allow one to stream HD content through a smaller bandwidth. It won't benifit the end user because there will still be dead air during broadcasted commercial breaks.

    When do I get IPTV over my cable broad band which has (...estimates...) 10-fold the band width?

    I figure I need about 150 Mbps into my home in order for me to satisfy my entire homes phone, tv and internet through IP. I assume the following: 1 HD TV stream for my family room, 4 HD streams (at times) for my bedroom because I will definately use IPTV with a PVR. 1 line of VoIP phone. Plus 10+ mbps for the several PCs in my home.

    Guess I need giga-bit wiFi now. Whatever this IPTV set-top box is, it MUST HAVE vga output for my 19" LCD. I need a way to watch HD on my 19" LCD. I'd prefer not to but am willing to go through my computer. Anyone know of an HD capture card (that will hook up to an HD cable box instead of OTA HD)??

  29. Might not work like that by simong · · Score: 1

    I know someone who worked for Kingston Communications when they rolled out their TV on demand service in Hull back in the mid-90s. The STBs had a 4Mb IP feed to them, but only 256k - 2Mb could be accessed by the customer depending on how much they paid. Kcom staff had access to the whole 4Mb. I would guess that that is the model that most providers will take. Time to dust off the CV...

  30. US still lagging behind... by MisterBuggie · · Score: 1

    I must admit, I'm always amazed by the slashdot articles talking about new and revolutionary internet technology that everybody else in the western world has been using for years...

    Here in France, we've had IPTV over DSL lines for quite some time now. Free (ISP) started upgrading its network to ADSL2+ with 20Mbps access nearly 2 years ago. And in Paris and Pau, you can subscribe to FTTH with 100Mbps symetrical.

    Interactive TV is nothing new to us, as we can tap directly into the tiple play modem and a) retreive the TV via the ethernet/wifi/usb connexion and display it on the computer (so no tv card, no analogical conversion, no loss of quality), or connect the modem to the computer, and browse our files, watch divx, listen to our music collection, display photo albums, listen to web radios or watch web tv streams, and with a few mods to the software (based on the FOSS VLC player) have basic web browsing, directly on the TV.
    OK, your computer has to be on, but it can be anywhere in the house.

    So yeah, IPTV is great, but damn, I can't believe you're only just beginning to talk about it on "next gen networks" that everyone else already has...

    1. Re:US still lagging behind... by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

      Well. . . look at it in this perspective. . . .

      I believe the United States is about oh. . . ten times the size of France if I'm not mistaking.

      Think about how much infrastructure has to be changed / modified. I hear this quite often about how Germany or Korea is on the bleeding edge of technology when it comes to broadband. What most don't realize is how much equipment has to be changed out in a system connecting an area of 500,000 sq miles vs one that connects 5,000,000 sq miles ?

      When your underlying infrastructure is this massive, it takes a LOT more capitol and time to make changes to it. *shrug*

    2. Re:US still lagging behind... by MisterBuggie · · Score: 1

      Well, according to the CIA website (and a quick division), the population density of France is 110 people/km, compared to USA which is 30 people/km. Sure, that gives France a good advantage, but compared to Japan which has a population density of 337 people/km, France has a great disadvantage. Even the UK, which has a population density of 246 people/km, is only just starting to catch up with France (though they still have some way to go...). Actually, for England alone, and not the entire UK, the population density is 383 people/km, which is even higher than Japan, it's one of the most densly populated countries in the world. England should be light years ahead of the rest of Europe, but is lagging behind rural France...

      Actually, France being quite a big and rural country compared to other European countries, it was long seen as an impossible task.
      I never said that the USA is way behind because not everyone has 20Mbps and IPTV, but simply that barely anyone has it. The USA has a massive advantage over France for small high speed internet networks. You have quite a lot of big cities that high speed internet can quickly develop in, and yet even there you're lagging behind.
      Not everyone in France has 20Mbps or IPTV. For that your line has to be unbundled by your ISP, which only happens in towns (or the very close countryside). In fact, there are still quite big areas that don't have any kind of high speed connection. But over here great effort is put into reducing the digital divide.

      I would have agreed with the population density differences if people lived uniformly spread out, but they don't. That's no excuse for the USA to be so behind, there are plenty of big cities for high speed internet and new services.

    3. Re:US still lagging behind... by GalacticCmdr · · Score: 1

      Of course when your total land area is just slightly less that twice the size of Colorado (CIA World Fact Book) then it is far easier to wire high-speed capabilities.

      France (total area): 547,030 sq km
      Korea, South (total area): 98,480 sq km
      United States (total area): 9,631,418 sq km

      That puts the US (CIA World Fact Book again) at just under the size of China and about 2.5x size the the *entire* EU.

      In the area of deploying area-based consumer technologies small is a big advantage.

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    4. Re:US still lagging behind... by MisterBuggie · · Score: 1

      As I said in my reply to the post just before yours, size is not as big a problem as that, it all depends on how the country is set up.
      Nobody expects a single ISP to give 20Mbps and IPTV to every single nook and cranny of the US. I somehow don't think the cows need IPTV...
      The US has a lot of big cities, like New York which is the 5th biggest city in the world with 16,626,000 inhabitants and alone would represent over 1/4 of the french population. Why isn't New York and other major US cities offering highly advanced networks with services like we have over here?
      I mean here, Pau (80,000 inhabitants lost in the rural south near the pyrenees) is offering 100Mbps FFTH! So don't use population density as an excuse :-)

  31. I'm only watching by iknowcss · · Score: 1

    if they bring Seinfeld back. Then it can be a show about nothing where you do nothing too!

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    1. Re:I'm only watching by tepples · · Score: 1

      if they bring Seinfeld back

      Call your favorite shows' syndicators and tell them you want the shows on demand.

  32. Re:WOW, there is nothing but shite on TV isn't the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although in an average week there's only 2-3 good shows ... but I have to watch 6-8hrs a day to make sure I don't miss those gems.

  33. I'm still not used to this AT&T thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FYI, AT&T is actually SBC. For some reason they thought it'd be a good idea to buy AT&T and assume their name (at least, that's how it was presented in the news).

    I hate AT&T, but I've had nothing but good experiences with SBC. It's confusing!

  34. Great TV is still out there, but not on the big 3 by elrous0 · · Score: 1
    There are still plenty of great shows out there, but you'll find most of them on cable these days. Network TV has always been bland world aimed at the lowest common denominator, and that has now become a SERIOUS liability for them (along with the problem of increasingly politicized oversight from the FCC).

    While cable networks like Comedy Central, Scifi, HBO, Showtime, et. al. are producing increasingly popular cutting-edge fair, the networks are producing increasingly embarrassing reality TV shows and bland sitcoms that no one watches (when is the last time you tuned in to NBC's "powerhouse" Thursday night lineup?).

    And, not only this, but the networks are also facing increasing competition from the internet, an embryonic internet TV, 24-hour cable news, video games, and "video on demand" services such as the iTunes (which makes their "must see TV" more into "see it whenever you want to TV").

    The old model of everyone tuning into the big three networks, and them delivering you content on THEIR schedule with conventional advertising, is probably coming to an end. Good riddance!

    -Eric

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  35. So... by VickiM · · Score: 1

    So AT&T wants to have a tiered internet service so they can compete with television, not just VoIP?
    I would be rather depressed to hear that I'm not getting the bandwidth I thought signed up for because they would rather I was watching Real Bachelor-Survivor Idol: Zimbabwe.

  36. Homechoice by Archibald+Buttle · · Score: 1

    I subscribe to an IPTV service in the UK called Homechoice. They've been running for about a decade now.

    The presentation is much like any other cable TV system, but with a few added extras. I get the standard bunch of UK digital TV channels, plus a bunch of extra video on demand channels. There are variable packages - if I were paying for a more expensive package (I'm on the cheapest) I'd be getting their "C1" channel, and could pick to watch any episode from about 2 dozen different series seasons, such as Futurama, classic Star Trek, Buffy, Friends, Battlestar Galactica, West Wing, etc. That's their entertainment on-demand channel... There's also V:MX which is on-demand music, Scamp, for kids, and Discovery Factual On Demand, amongst others. Naturally there's also pay-for mainstream movies available too.

    All this kind of stuff is of course standard on many cable systems - I had much the same on Rogers in Toronto.

    One thing above Rogers is a feature called "Replay TV". On certain channels you'll see an "r" logo next to programs in the guide - those programs get stored for a week for you to replay when you feel like watching them. This is my favourite feature - it almost turns it into a DVR - although I don't get to choose which programs they record.

    All this through my phone line, so I didn't have to get the road dug up for the cable company to put a line in. It works using ADSL, and the set-top box is my ADSL modem, so I just plug my computer into it and surf away. They currently offer up to 8mbit data connections, although they've got faster (24mbit) ADSL stuff in the pipeline.

  37. I've had IP TV for almost a year now... by Firewalker_Midnights · · Score: 1

    When my telephone company (MTS, here in Canada) decided to offer television, we knew it'd be our way to get out of the cable TV monopoly run by Shaw (also canadian). We didn't like satellites because the quality was determined on the weather, and with our winters, it was not a good idea sometimes.

    So we (my family and I) got it and we loved it. It was cheaper prices, great quality and easy to use interface. Also the fact that it ran on linux, has weather info and all the shiney bullcrap that makes things "interesting" was a plus.

    That being said, there are some issues with IPTV as I've found out through talking to people. While I don't have these issues since I'm basically sitting right on top of the junction box for this whole section of the grid, other people have told me quite explicitly their gripes of the service.

    One major one is artifacting. While I've not experienced it, I know of people who have. This is where the screen gets digitized and cubes show up all over the place if there's a quick change in scenes in a tv show, or inbetween commercials.

    Another major issue is bandwith bottlenecking, again, which I haven't experienced. See, since they offer you a delicious package, most people get DSL on top of the TV package (round it out with long distance and you save a decent amount). However, people have noticed that when you're downloading something big (Let's say that new Linux distro just came out and you've gotta get everything to go with it) the menu slows down, and channels take a few seconds to appear.

    There's other smaller ones, but they all deal with garbage data (Shows are mislabelled, channel feeds are off by hours if not days, etc.) which is caused by lack of bandwith.

    While very the two major issues are minor issues seperately, if you've got both together it can make for a rather frustrating experience. So there's downsides (digital garbage) and plus sides (cheaper tv with the same packaged as other more expensive mediums). All in all, it's a decent service for its cost.

    I, for one, welcome our new telephonovision overlords.

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    1. Re:I've had IP TV for almost a year now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have a look on this website, www.algolith.com, for compression artefact removal.

    2. Re:I've had IP TV for almost a year now... by dadragon · · Score: 1

      Interesting, you have 50 000 IPTV subscribers in Manitoba, and the service has been around since 2003. I think you may have some people who are a wee pissed off at Shaw, because in Saskatchewan, we've you around 30 000 subs, and it's been around since 2002.

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  38. There's been IPTV in Europe for some time now by heffeque · · Score: 1

    There's been IPTV in Europe for some time now. Spain started to have IPTV more than a year ago and I'm prety sure that Spain wasn't the first one to have IPTV in Europe. The bad thing is that ISP over here are too lazy to put HDTV in IPTV for now :-/ I hope that changes soon.

  39. Why wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "next-gen optical network"

    I'm not sure what they are waiting for. ADSL2+ over copper can go 9.8 Mbps at 15,000 feet - enough for one HDTV channel (at a time), downloading the latest Linux distribution and making 10 VOIP phone calls ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

    Oh, that's right - they have to share copper but not fiber with competitors.

  40. MythTV is for OTA by tepples · · Score: 1

    Due to the incompatibility between free software and the digital restrictions management that six major American motion picture studios impose, MythTV is not compatible with high-definition streams on pay channels.

  41. On-demand by tepples · · Score: 1

    Is there room for IPTV when satellite is ubiquitous, cheap, offers many channels and supports multi-room setups?

    Consumer satellite TV doesn't do video on demand, which Comcast has been heavily advertising in Fort Wayne, Indiana.

  42. IPTV and Channel Changes by borgasm · · Score: 1

    One big hurdle with IPTV is channel changes (surfing).

    With the newer video codecs, the GOP sizes are large (in the 1-2 second range).

    So you might have to wait 2 seconds for a channel's initial IFrame to come in.

    This scenario is completely unacceptable to the normal analog TV viewer.

    1. Re:IPTV and Channel Changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft solved this by sending the I-frame over unicast in parallel with the IGMP join. So the resulting channel change time should be about one RTT to the video server plus the frame decode time.

      IPTV systems based on ISO/IETF standards don't have this optimization, but they tend to use short-GOP MPEG-2, so their worst-case channel change time should be one RTT to the edge router plus the GOP time.

    2. Re:IPTV and Channel Changes by Charcharodon · · Score: 1
      Other than the elderly, that don't know any better, who would actually channel surfs anymore? For me to buy into IPTV would be to have access to a library not a broadcast, I don't much care for sports or news, so I don't need live. I want full access to all episodes of a tv show or all released movies and then download them when I want them and watch them at my leisure. How hard is that for the telecos/cable company to understand?

      If I'm bored I'll go find something else to do, or I'll hop online and look around for more content.

      The whole thing could be rolled out right now, but they are still insistent on controlling the markets and the prices. Their method of choice is steaming. Which is nothing more than a gimic to make "priority traffic" a premium service and a road block to the competition and customer purchase rights.

  43. Image quality? by Cunk · · Score: 1

    Is this going to degrade the quality of the image even further than digital cable already does with all its compression artifacts?

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  44. Not just the telcos by papasui · · Score: 1

    Cable companies are doing IPTV as well, you just don't notice because it's on their transport end. The company I work for began rolling this out about 1.5 years ago, the non-local programming is carried across our fiber ring until it gets to the headend that needs to deliver it across the cable where it is modulated into a QAM and received by the set-top-box. True it's not IPTV the entire way but it is forseeable that at some point it may be.

  45. The Register has had some recent pieces as well... by jlowery · · Score: 1
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  46. HD over the net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HD on the net already exists, there is a company www.entice.tv that is putting out internet porn. Granted, the site doesn't work, they have lost 20 of 21 programmers in the last year and the owner is a psycho napoleanic freak. The best part is finding out that Entice.tv and Lasoo.com are both owned by the same company, and that while the porn side is moving forward rapidly, the non-porn side (entice=porn, lasoo=Standard hollywood pictures) is lagging far behind, it appears that Hollywood is more leery of new technology than the porn industry. Wonder what the hollywood moguls would think if they knew the two sides of the company share an office...

  47. I've been waiting for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DRM straight to my TV! Yes!

  48. Namespace Collision by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    How many products called "IPTV" are there, anyway? Cisco has a VoD system called IPTV that uses/used MPEG1. The server comes/came in the same case as a PIX 520 or a LocalDirector.

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  49. Re:WOW, there is nothing but shite on TV isn't the by PhotoJim · · Score: 1

    This is the beauty of laptop computers... you can spend your time online in front of the TV now. Slashdot makes for great reading during commercials, no? :)

  50. IPv6? by digitac · · Score: 1

    So after RTFA'ing I'm convinced that these stem to stern networks that are heavy on multicast are bound the be the first places to deploy IPv6 networks. In fact, that may be the whole break that IPv6 needs. The Telcos will want to run an IPv6 network end to end so that your set-top box and VOIP router are addressable. I'd imagine they might even decide to encapsulate your IPv4 internet connection in their IPv6 network to take advantage of all of the additional QOS and other features it has to offer. IPv6, meet your killer app.
    You heard it here first. ::Digitac

  51. Why can't I find Open Source IPTV PVR software? by MavenW · · Score: 1

    OK, but it seems MythTV isn't compatible with IPTV. One of the main components of the MythTV setup is the video capture card. So you run an analog signal into it and it digitizes it.

    Well, OK. I see that you could connect your MythTV box between your set-top box and your TV. But isn't it less efficient to convert the digital signal to analog, convert it back to digital to record it, and then convert it back to analog to watch it?

    My nephew recently got upgraded to a system where they ran fiber to his house, then cat5 cables to the rooms where the TV set-top boxes were. It looks an awful lot like IPTV to me. He was a little bit bummed because the PVR that he had with his previous satellite system didn't work any more, and asked about a PVR for the new system. I did a little bit of research into IPTV and figured this should be a no-brainer. You should be able to plug a Linux box into the hub just as easily as a set-top box. I figured there should be some open source software that emulates a set-top box and allows you to watch TV on your Linux box's monitor.

    But I couldn't find any. The tech support guy at the provider says they're working on a PVR solution, but it won't be available for "a couple of months". I figured maybe this is just new technology and we hackers haven't had time to come up with an open source solution yet.

    But then these guys post that they've had IPTV for YEARS now. So that can't be the problem. I can't see how it would be so hard to capture a few sessions and decode the protocols from the set-top box to the provider, and the protocols are all documented in RFCs and linked from wikipedia. So why can't I find any open source IPTV PVR software? Do I just suck at searching? Are there legal issues? Compatibility issues with different providers? Not enough interest yet and I should just build it myself?

  52. Instant Channel Change! by creamandchives · · Score: 1

    Actually, with the solution that AT+T has chosen, there is barely any lag between changing channels. The Microsoft TV solution (see brochure has a concept called "Instant Channel Change". I can't tell you how it works, but I can tell you i've seen it, used it and it does work, and its pretty damn fast.

  53. Re:But wait! There's more! by slickwillie · · Score: 1

    Interactive pr0n.

  54. Another article on Internet TV by Whiteox · · Score: 1

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/12/business/yourmon ey/12sliver.html?ex=1299819600&en=b93a73a9426aeb16 &ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

    And for those who won't RTFA:

    "ANDY STEWARD, a successful London computer consultant and sailboat racer, became exasperated when trying to watch his favorite sport on television. There were a few half-hour recaps of some major sailing races, but they were always shown late at night.

    Mr. Steward looked into creating a sailing channel on the Sky satellite service in Britain, but his idea was soon dead in the water. He would have had to pay £85,000 (nearly $150,000) to start the channel and £40,000 a month (nearly $70,000), as well as the production costs. That was a lot of money for an untested concept.

    But in January, he did introduce a sailing channel, one that is rapidly filling with sailing talk shows, product reviews, programs on sailing techniques and, most important, intense coverage of the sort of smaller races that don't make it onto traditional television.

    His new channel, however, will not be available over the air. And it won't be found on cable or even on satellite, at least not yet. The channel, called Sail.tv, is broadcast only on the Internet, which enables video to reach a much larger worldwide audience at a much lower initial cost than a satellite channel. Because "we didn't have any idea how big the audience would be," Mr. Steward said, he wanted to keep his expenses as low as possible. "Internet television is an investment we can grow into," he said.

    In the last six months, major media companies have received much attention for starting to move their own programming online, whether downloads for video iPods or streaming programs that can be watched over high-speed Internet connections.

    Perhaps more interesting -- and, arguably, more important -- are the thousands of producers whose programming would never make it into prime time but who have very dedicated small audiences. It's a phenomenon that could be called slivercasting.

    In 2004, Wired magazine popularized the phrase "the long tail" to refer to the large number of specialized offerings that in themselves appeal to a small number of people, but cumulatively represent a large market that can be easily aggregated on the Internet. Plotted on a graph along with best sellers, these specialized products trail off like a long tail that never reaches zero.

    Indeed, the Internet's ability to offer an almost infinite selection is part of what makes it so appealing: people can find things that don't sell well enough to warrant shelf space in a neighborhood music store or video rental shop -- think of the obscure books on Amazon.com. The ease of digital video production and the ubiquity of high-speed Internet connections are sending the long tail of video into the living rooms of the world, live and in color.

    "The next wave of media is to unleash the power of serving people's special interests," said John Hendricks, the chief executive of Discovery Communications, which is developing a series of specialized video services. "Every time I walk into a Borders bookstore, I spend a lot of time looking at the magazine rack -- because staring at you are all the passions of America. The bride who is about to get married, there is a magazine for her. And for the person who is a little older, there are wonderful travel and leisure magazines."

    Already, there are specialized video services serving hundreds of specialties, including poker, bicycling, lacrosse, photography, vegetarian cooking, fine wine, horror films, obscure sitcoms and Japanese anime. There is also a growing market for Webcasts of local news and entertainment from every country and in every language, aimed at expatriates.

    "We're adding two or three new channels a week," s

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  55. Re:Wait times -Parent Informative by pipingguy · · Score: 1


    Digital TV actually does take 2-3 seconds to do this (well, at least Illico does).

  56. a la carte TV by pipingguy · · Score: 1


    Videotron has this now (of course, a certain minimum of the chosen channels have to be Canadian):

    You can customize your package by picking and choosing from a wide range of specialty channels, including channels dedicated entirely to movies, sports, international programs and music. And if you change your mind, you can change your channel lineup as you please

    http://www.videotron.com/services/en/television/5_ 2_1_1.jsp

    Is there nowhere in the US that has this yet?

  57. I agree by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    I broke my ciggerate, coffee, and Tv addictions. I replace it all with /.. Now, if I can just break my slashdot addiction.

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  58. I don't want a settopbox! by hcdejong · · Score: 1

    I want to use my computer instead. Settopboxes come with moronic limitations (one channel per box, no way to record stuff).
    Is there any chance that that will become possible, or will the signal be buried ten feet deep in DRM and smartcards?