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Intel Launches New Pentium Extreme Edition 965
RL-20 II Rider writes "Although Intel is hard at work readying their next-gen Conroe core for a proposed 2H '06 release, it seems engineers at the company are still improving upon the existing 65nm Presler core. This
review of the brand-new 3.73GHz Pentium Extreme Edition 965 dual-core processor shows that the CPU is based on a new stepping of the Presler core that runs cooler and overclocks higher than older chips, while consuming a bit less power as well."
Does it only work if you're snowboarding down a hillside and parachuting off a cliff while slamming a Mountain Dew?
I thought they were dropping the Pentium name?
It is all about singlethreaded performance, which is not really the same in the coming up Yonah/Merom based cores.
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65 nm = 43/16777216 inches
Colonel Sandurz: Prepare to purchase an Intel Pentium Extreme Edition.
Dark Helmet: No. No. No. No. Extreme is too slow.
Colonel Sandurz: Extreme too slow?
Dark Helmet: Yes. We're gonna have to go straight to an Intel Pentium Ludicrous Edition.
My LAMP running Gallery in cached mode gets 11.5 reqs/sec tops running on a 1.7 celeron with 512 ram. If the only variable I changed was the chip to this new sucker, how many reqs/sec might I be able to crank out? They average 30K.
I wonder how and when they'll spin a core version.
Oooh, next they'll the have the Pentium WICKED, followed by the Pentium WOOT!
My AMD Athlon 64 X2 chugs along at 2.2Ghz, and STILL blows Intel out of the water due to its superior design, while managing a cool 29C. AMD has fought the good fight, and until Intel gets faster AND cooler, AMD has my computing dollar. To me, the only thing 'Extreme' about Intel processors right now, is the number of CPU cycles wasted.
Sounds like you're trying to sell the ultimate Dell game pc.
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EXTREME! stuff is so 1999. They should have put an i at the beginning of the name, although I'm not sure how iPentium would sound, much less avoid an Apple lawsuit. Perhaps they could make it Java oriented and call it PentiumOne.
I donno, brand new chip, catchy performance implying name, about the only thing extreme about this chip will be the price. All of you people who get off on bragging about their box's specs in your little forum sigs prepare to shell out your 2 grand to upgrade from that now outdated 3.4 ghz piece of crap you've somehow been putting up with.
Not trying to troll, just pointing out the extremely narrow audience this chip would appeal to given that they are moving on to a different core soon. I'm just hoping this will drive down costs of the 'lower end' dual core chips soon.
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Ironic that a site reviewing a P4 Extreme Edition is called "Hot Hardware." Hot, indeed.
Also reviewed at The Tech Report, with more extensive testing against a wider range of processors.
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1940865 ,00.asp
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/22/pentium_ext reme_edition_965/
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx? i=2725
Is that the number of Special Effects used in their marketing campaign?
Seriously, I know you're just trying to be funny, but both processor companies are known for giving their processors ridiculous arbitrary names.
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Does chip wiring or transistors waste the most heat ?
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I don't understand why there aren't any attempts made to move away from silicon & copper/aluminum wiring ?
We have quantum tunneling transistors that work right now !
http://www.google.com/search?q=quantum+tunneling+
http://www.sandia.gov/media/quantran.htm
New acronym alert:
PEE
It's just the normal noises in here.
Intel launches new Pentium Super-Hyper-Mega-Extreme edition. Is it really difficult to think up new product names that don't remind me of Mountain Dew?
Intel are so off on this one. Just from a preliminary glance, I can see that they named this chip wrong. "Pentium Extreme Edition 965"? Where should I start?
First of all, this chip is at the very least an Extreme Turbo Edition 1078. However, I have a strong suspicion about it being closer to a Super Mega Extreme Turbo 8000.
bottleneck order for you: network bandwidth, hard drive, ram, then _maybe_ cpu.
Basically, it isn't going to help you much. If you put a lot of ram into it that'd probably help (try to get as much into ram as possible). If you have a huge amount of pics (60 gigs) a 10,000 rpm Raptor sata would probably be a good investment.
All that doesn't mean much if the network pipe is too small to dish out that many pics.
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"Now, from the makers of the Itanic! The Pentium Maximum Extreme III!"
Of course, the real question is the color of the cooling fins. It has to have exotic cooling fins, or it won't sell.
Will it go faster if I put an "AMD" or a "Honda Type-R" sticker on it? We'll have to start a site called "ChipCops" to go along with RiceCops.com
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Oh ye of little faith.
Corvettes also sell to an extremely narrow audience. However, having the Corvette in the lineup sells a lot more Chevy econo boxes in the process from people pretending that their Impala is a close cousin and next best thing to a Vette.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
This is probably a dumb question, but who buys these things? I assume that they're not in use in the enterprise or high-end workstation market. Do rich kids really spend $1K on a cpu and $500 on a graphics card? I would have thought they blew their monthly allowance on stickers for their "R" series rice rocket.
I have to assume that EE's are extremely limited in quanity and released for marketing purposes. Ping me if that's untrue.
BBH
Yeah, geeze. You never know what kind of quarky ideas they'll come up/down with next.
Bah. e and later i prefixes are so overused. I think we should start prefixing with some of the less popular vowels. a, o, u...
sometimes even y.
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Anyone who follows processor clock speeds will be aware that they suddenly stopped increasing a few years ago. While this is technically not a failure of Moore's law, at a minimum it does reflect some kind of failure to keep up with previous levels of progress. Certainly a few years ago the suggestion that we would still not have 4 GHz processors in 2006 would have been laughable, based on extrapolating previous trends.
Does anyone have any guesses on when we will finally see commercial 4 GHz processors? Will it never happen? Will we still have 3.75 GHz in 2010? 2020? Has progress in this area simply stopped? Or if not, when will it start up again?
You know what - who cares? I have both a Pentium 4 and an AMD 64 and they both do what they are supposed to do. Both seem pretty zippy. The fact that Intel is playing catch up is good for us, since we'll get better chips from both companies.
I think by now most of us on these kinds of discussion boards know that the price differential between the extreme and non-extreme versions of Intel chips is not worth the extra punch that the cache increase extreme denotes. Unfortunately, they will sell a lot of these to people who don't know any better. Some of them will be to people we know who will then wonder why our cheaper machines perform the same or better. Others will remain convinced that they bought the best and will lash themselves to believing they were not duped.
To me, this is indicative of a lot of the market now. Really, you don't need a 700 dollar video card to play any game out on the market. True, with the more expensive card you will get better resolutions on very large or multiple monitors, but most people don't have them. I know people whole have 17 inch monitors who were almost suckered by the hype that you need a high priced card just to play FEAR at all. Ditto, BF2. This really has been driven by the hardware companies and hardware sites that like to torture test hardware. Not in and of itself a bad thing, but to the uninitiated, it can be misleading. Especially when coupled with hardware companies that implicitly promote this untruth.
Unfortunately, the extreme edition etc, is symbolic of companies that feel a loss because their profit slipped from the previous year, in spite of the fact they are still making good money. No doubt some of these execs still sleep at night dreaming of another Y2K scam to rake in the dollars from sales of hardware most people don't need, or in the end, even want.
That is what I believe is at the root of this kind of marketing. And I don't see it going away, I see it becoming more rife.
"Good think Intel invented the Core chips. Because you know, using 40% of the power of a Pentium 4 and doing 40% more work while clocking nearly twice as slow isn't a radical change or anything."
;-)
Cool! Where can I buy one?
http://store.apple.com/
Click on Mac mini, iMac, or MacBook Pro.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Or...You could have the: Super-Hyper-Mega-Extreme-Gaming-Machine-Advantage system. Otherwise known to those in gaming circles as 'SHMEGMA'
What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?
...Intel just got caught up in the trend...:=)
Does the 965 product number refer to the number of watts drawn or the number of BTUs given off?
;-)
... I don't give a rat's a** about frames-per-second pissing contests. What do I think about folks who buy $1000 CPUs and $500 video cards? I love them, they are my customers, god bless and protect them, and keep them coming back for more.
Neither, US Dollars flushed.
FWIW the above is not a slam against Intel. I prefer my Intel or AMD CPUs in the mid to upper US$200s, my video cards in the mid to upper US$100s,
For the first time ever my home desktop PC turned a year old without being totally obsolete. No, 3.2 GHz is not the fastest, but it's not like a 6.4 GHz machine is available today eitehr. 10 or 15 years ago it was no uncommon to see your machine be trumped by one that ran at least twice as fast a year later. Thank, Intel!
Anyone who follows processor clock speeds will be aware that they suddenly stopped increasing a few years ago. While this is technically not a failure of Moore's law, at a minimum it does reflect some kind of failure to keep up with previous levels of progress.
Not really. Moore was commenting on the number of transistors and performance. Clock rate is a convenient but imperfect estimation of performance. If you use some metric that involves an actual measurement of work performed, say specmark, I'd wager that you would find no reason to be concerned.
That said, both Intel and AMD have been telling developers for at least a year or more that future performance increases are going to come more from multiple cores than from clock rate improvements, go forth and multithread your code.
Pentium Extrem Edition packs all that matter into a such a small space, and makes sure that the whole thing runs so hot, that it is now capable of starting new Universes right on the tops of our desks. BANG.
You can't handle the truth.
The new intel towers must be seen tobeat the current G5 Quads 67 Gigaflop speed by a mile or they will look silly for switching over the towers.
Absolutely. The usefulness of clock speed alone as a gauge of processor performance has long been outmoded, as the nature of processors has evolved: instead of being limitted to executing one (or a fraction of one) instruction of program code per clock cycle, processors for the past 10+ years are capable of carrying out multiple instructions at once! There's also the question of bus speed, which plays an important supporting role in the system (it's possible for the processor to have a respectable clock rate, yet be hampered by a low bus speed).
It's exactly for these reasons and more that AMD gave up on using the clock rate as a descriptive label for their various CPU models, opting instead for an "equivalency" rating to give people an idea of how much processor performance they're getting -- e.g.: Athlon 3500+ (would be the same as a 3.5GHz processor *executing one instruction per cycle*).
The software that benefits the most, of course, is the kind that allows for multiple threads of execution, so it only makes sense for AMD and Intel to aggressively promote this kind of program design among developers.
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Provide a link or somethin'?
... at least SEVEN MONTHS NOW.
Damn, you are one slow motherfucker. Slashdot (and every Apple fan site in the world, FWIW) has only been going apeshit about the Intel Core chips for what