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World's Largest Pyramid Discovered in Bosnia?
kieran writes "Archaeologists have apparently begun to unearth a massive pyramid which had been masquerading as a hill in the Bosnian town of Visoko. At an estimated 722ft in height, it is expected to be 1/3 taller than Egypt's Great Pyramid of Giza."
This 'pyramid' was actually discovered in October of last year, but all news was suppressed due to 'security concerns'...concerns that would appear to have merit, given Condoleezza Rice's bizzare change in appearance and behavior after she visited the site on a U.S. fact-finding mission.
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There's not much resolution from this satellite image, but here's the pyramid's location using Google maps.
I'm a little dubious here - the lead of this project, Semir Osmanagic says (from abc) he sees astonishing similarities between the structures and Mexican pyramids dating back to about 200 AD, which also come in pairs, one believed to represent the Sun and the other the Moon.
How can he know that with so little excavated? And his foundation has the rather fortean-timesish name of "Archaeological Park: Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun Foundation"
There's a far better (and longer) article at the art newspaper.
You can also the have a look at the photos of the hill (scroll down) in this bosnian forum (yup, looks like a pyramid).
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The world's largest pyramid is soon to be discovered. I believe the link to this pyramid is here.
Whoops.
I once read Fingerprints of the Gods by Graham Hancock which explored in depth the theory that ancient civilizations are linked by a possible master race. It is a very loose theory in that I ended the book more confused than anything and doubting not only Hancock but also the conventional history I learned in school. Whether that's good or bad, I can't really say.
What I can say is that even if they were half baked theories they certainly were outside the box.
In it, the position and building of massive structures (like pyramids) are very important to his theories. He linked the Egyptian and Incan/Pima cultures via structures and similarities in creation stories (the latter being quite weak). The worst part is that at the end he alludes to a possible alien influence in the matter of building these massive structures (because we can't understand what technology they used).
With this (possibly) even larger structure, I'm certain that this will give him more ammo for another book.
If you're interested in things like this, it's a good read. You can take pieces of it like the famous Pirie Ries maps that were coverd by Charles Hapgood. A similar theory is the also famous 1421 Theory. Be warned that many of these theories are unverifiable and can amount to simply someone's imagination running wild. They rely on events thousands of years old--a time darker than the the dark ages.
Be caution that most of the links below Hancock's Wikipedia page are just rebuttles disproving him as much of his work is a bit hard to swallow.
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You know it strikes me that if things this big can escape our detection on a daily basis, just what else are we missing that may lie right in front of us. I mean this is of utterly rediculous proportions and yet it escaped both our vision, and our history? I think this must be added to the list of world wonders, word wonders how we missed it!
Go ahead and call me unreliable; reliable is just a synonym for predictable.
I am sure that a lot more funds are spent toward oil-finding than pyramids-finding.
Also we consume less pyramids than oil. That makes finding them a lesser strategical objective.
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Maybe they will finally find my Stargate so i can leave this silly little corrupt planet WOOT!
We have finally found the ancient outpost! Or it could be that Pyrimid from Aliens VS Predator....
Always right on top of things, eh, editors?
First: The Bosnian "pyramid" (a roughly four-sided hill where they've found nothing but a mound of dirt so far) hit the news last year, in Early November IIRC.
Second, the fellow cho claims it a pyramid ranks right up there with Uri Gellar as far as credibility goes, according to Archaology last week.
So +5 for topical, but minus a million for reporting on entirely the wrong end of the issue. They didn't just discover it, they just debunked the discovery.
... and if you have any doubt, take a look at this.
this story is utterly false and the dude who discovered it is a crazy. Here is a link with handy details. http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmanag ic/
I'm not going to point to a particular site, but if you do a google image search on the words: bosnia pyramid
You'll find pictures of it. I'm kind of surprised nobody has considered the possibility before. If you see some pictures that give you a better 3D view of it, it very clearly has 4 slopes at 90 degree angles.
Very cool find, though.
This is why Europe is, even today, a world leader in pyramids. You can outsource all the pyramid building you want to the israelites, but when you employ cheap slave labor, you get 1/3 less cubits.
U send me pyramid 4 ur outsourced job plz.
How do you miss something like that for so long?
The same way the idiot on his cell phone misses the red light and slams into you: inattention to your surroundings.
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Is that a pyramid in your hill, or are you just happy to see me?
You can find large resolution photos and news on the Official website. Looks like they're still digging.
We should probably send Geraldo Rivera to investigate. His experience with Al Capone's vault makes him more than qualified.
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Look to the left side of this photo. Frighteningly symmetrical, is it not? And it blows away the Bosnian pyramid as to size.
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And everyone pointing to the archaeology organization site naming him as a nutjob, guess what folks? It won't be debunked until they've fully excavated the site. Whether or not the man in charge is crazy or not has little bearing on the validity of his claims, particularly when the evidence would be a gigantic fucking pyramid. There isn't anything to debate, it's either there or not.
Also, I'd say that a majority of the archaelogical society hates new findings that contradict their old theories, and can often go out of their way to ostracize and decredit people that publish or support findings that would invalidate all the time spent writing papers on any particularly well-accepted idea.
Ex nihilo nihil fit.
I'm propose we mine cubes as they contain twice the pyramid amount.
I'm calling Gene Ray,the cube specialist.
Or the way an idiot without a cell phone misses the red light and slams into you: inattention to your surroundings.
I hope that this doesn't turn out to be linked to some religion or other. All we need is another whacko group claiming to have the only true religion, and proof of its veracity in this pyramid. I truly do hope that this is built by, or inspired by alien visitors, perhaps stranded travellers or something. As long as its anything but more religious hype/tripe/your-fav-bad-thing-here.
Because if your first thought upon discovering a pyramid is that it was "built by, or inspired by alien visitors" you are far saner, more rational, and down to earth than those religious "whacko group[s]"...
Uttering logically derived and empirically supported truths to the disciples of the orthodox establishment.
From the pictures on the web-sites linked to, it does seem reasonable to assume that there is something there. Geography is rarely THAT regular and it seems like the people digging have found evidence of blocks, construction, tunnels etc. These might be Roman or Ottoman era remains, or they might not.
History is long and great periods are undocumented or forgotten. It seems absolutely reasonable that the ruins of great civilization could have gone unnoticed in Bosnia especially as this area has seen almost constant and vicious warfare for most of the modern era. I think it is very unfortunate that this discovery has been tarred with pseudo-science before real results have been developed.
Between 27,000 and 12,000 years ago, the Balkans were locked in the last Glacial maximum, a period of very cold and dry climate with glaciers in some of the mountain ranges. The only occupants were Upper Paleolithic hunters and gatherers who left behind open-air camp sites and traces of occupation in caves. These remains consist of simple stone tools, hearths, and remains of animals and plants that were consumed for food. These people did not have the tools or skills to engage in the construction of monumental architecture.
That just proves that they were built by a superior alien race. Duhh.
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Seriously, why must we have to read on every populist or pseudo-science story out there? Are we competing with the New / American Scientist and Fortean Times? This guy is a nutter and his 'research' has been widely criticised and discredited.
Is it too much to ask for the submitters and editors to do a simple Google/Wikipedia search on the articles and maybe include a hint of criticism and doubt when faced with such BS stories.
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Our discovery of this pyramid was orchestrated by the predators to lure us there so that when they revive the alien queen and she starts laying her eggs, there would be hosts for the face-huggers to implant their eggs. Once a few aliens are running around, down will come some teenage predators looking to pass their manhood ritual by trying to survive an alien hunt in the pyramid. It's all been foretold here. Beware if the predators lose though, they'll blow the whole place up.
For an example of his unique theories, here's an excerpt from his book, "The World of the Maya":
Ordinary watchmakers repair our watches and put them into accordance with Earthly time. It is my theory that the Maya should be considered watchmakers of the cosmos whose mission it is to adjust the Earthly frequency and bring it into accordance with the vibrations of our Sun. Once the Earth begins to vibrate in harmony with the Sun, information will be able to travel in both directions without limitation. And then we will be able to understand why all ancient peoples worshipped the Sun and dedicated their rituals to this. The Sun is the source of all life on this planet and the source of all information and knowledge. ...And with a frequency in harmony, the Earth will, via the Sun, be connected with the center of our Galaxy. These facts become exceptionally important when we realize that we are rapidly approaching December 2012, a date which the Maya have marked as the time of arrival of the Galactic Energy Cluster which will enlighten us.
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April 28, 2006 | 11:40 p.m. ET
Pyramid problems: Is the tale of the Bosnian pyramid too good to be true? Last week, The Associated Press reported evidence that a 2,120-foot-high hill in central Bosnia-Herzegovina might actually be a buried step pyramid. This week, Archaeology magazine questioned the scientific soundness of the operation and its leader, amateur archaeologist Semir Osmanagic. Archaeology quotes experts who say there's little more to the project than "sensationalism and grandstanding," and worry that it may be damaging legitimate artifacts from medieval, Roman and Illyrian times.
There's certainly a good deal of kookiness surrounding the story. Osmanagic, for example, links his pyramid theories to Atlantis and the Maya, while an online petition aimed at stopping Osmanagic's dig refers darkly to U.S.-orchestrated conspiracy theories. Stay tuned for further twists in the tale, and feel free to send in your comments after you read Archaeology magazine's report.
You are reading a copy of my copyrighted post.
http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmanag ic/
"Too bad that it is not a credible story at all. In fact, it is impossible. Who is the "archaeologist" who has taken the media for a ride?
They said the same thing about the guy that found the lost city of Troy.
Let the nutjob dig up the site some, then we'll know. I'm really not happy about "real" archeologist simply declaring that something is impossible.
The train was declared impossible.
Meteorites were declared impossible.
Heliocentrism was declared impossible.
Heavier than air aeronefs were declared impossible.
The experts keep using that word, I do not think it means what they think it means.
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It's only after they excavate the soil and rock from around it that the true shape and size of the pyramid will be apparent!
What I however find most amusing are on the one hand the leaps of faith were assumption after assumption is made only to then conclude the end result to be fact. In this case it is assumed the document was found in a certain part of egypt. They then use the fact that the document is in a certain style/era to then claim that because they found another cave with artifacts in that style/era that it could very well be the cave.
WTF? First off, just because the document was from an era/style DOES NOT mean it has to have spend all the time in a cave of the era/style. It could have been picked up before an buried somewhere else. Second of all just because some cave contains stuff from the same era that does not mean that the object must have come from that region.
Oh look. A pair of mickey mouse ears. They must have come from florida!
Eh? No? They could have come not only from one of the other disney parks but they in fact never have come from a park at all.
Then there is the other side. The entire program is about how there are more gospels then there are known today. It is shown that a mere human decided wich gospels would be included in the new testament.
It is even clearly shown that very simple political and marketting reasons lay behind the choice.
So then what do people think about the Judas gospel. Well it is funny but the "real" gospels are somehow still more real and have something holy about them.
WTF? Just goes to show that facts and believes have nothing to do with each other.
But I suppose that if you have to answer the question why and how did the egyptians build the pyramids the answer "bored, lots and lots of people with no tv to watch" just doesn't cut it. Better to get some fantasy going. Star people! Yeah, never mind that amazing as the pyramids are they seem kinda primitive for a star faring civilization.
I just go with the old prove for the fact that we have been visited by intelligent aliens in the past. They ain't been back. Smart move.
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Yo! I found a European pyramid!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stefz/115233678/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Cestius
As the photographer says:
"What makes my head spin is the thought that this was built 2,000 years ago, as a copy of the Great Pyramid which was built 2,500 years before that"
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Actually, a lot of recent evidence suggests that the pyramids where not built by slaves, but rather by paid workers. See below:
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"That's all very well, but that Archaeology article spends all it's time slamming the person, not discussing his claims"
No, there's an entire paragraph on why it's impossible.
BUT THAT WASN'T THE POINT OF THAT ARTICLE.
The point, which you obviously missed, was that in the search for new and amazing discoveries, the media
"ignores the truth and embraces the fantastic."
This article was an indictment of the media's behavior, not an ad hominem attack on the guy and his results.
"The pyramid announcement does seem very premature and is probably something else (or a fake) but I'd like to see some discussion of what he's found, which is not in that article."
IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE. The article, AGAIN, was a critique of the behavior of the media, and their willingness to embrace "fringe" characters in an effort to report dramatic findings.
You completely missed the point, and yet SOMEHOW got modded up.
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I have been following this story since October of last year, there has been a lot of information published and a lot of time spent on either side of 'piramidasa' and 'antipiramidasa' arguing whether the former pyramid believers and later pyramid non-believers are right. Here is a link to a satellite analysis of the region http://piramidasunca.ba/ajaxfiles/epodmeni/eizvjes taji/Geophysical%20Analysis.pdf
At http://www.astreamagazine.com/osmanagic_serie_radi o_frm.html there are links to an interview with astraea magazine, good listen a direct link at http://www.astreamagazine.com/interviews/osmanagic /osmanagic_high.m3u
At http://www.piramidasunca.ba/ you can find the official foundation site and more pictures, click on the British flag for english version :).
Also googling "sarajevo-x piramida" will get you a link to a forum that's been going since last year, with posts mainly in Bosnian with some in English.
You always point your finger at the bad guy, but what if the bad guy points his finger at you?
Both type efforts (archaeology and minerals/oil location) are benefiting from satellite remote sensing. We just recently had the lost city in guatemala found, the huge impact craters in the sahara, etc from satellite analysis (radar/photo). The impact craters were also helped by web based universal access, google maps helped amateur researchers there.
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As to the bosnian pyramid, it has long been known/suspected there in the locals handed down oral histories. It was more accurately RE-discovered. Just like when western scientists "discover" some new animal the locals have been *eating* forever and have names for.
There's another interesting development off the coast of cuba, an alleged underwater city.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/05/0
similar off of japan
http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2004/s11072
(I am sure there are better links for those stories)
It's an interesting topic. A lot of oral and written tradition from around the world all relate a period in history with a "great flood". It will be nice if modern tech helps us discover what really happened and add to our knowledge of the real "olden days", whichever way it shakes out.
Why do they always compare to the pyramids in Egypt? While they might be the most famous, they're not the largest. Cholula, Teotihuacan and Cahokia are much larger in size and volume than anything in Egypt.
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Do people just have a hard time admitting that the people who inhabited the Americas before Europeans showed up might have actually not be inferior? Perhaps it's just more comfortable to imagine them as haphazard small groups of primitive people running around in the forest than to realize they had just as advanced civilizations and cities as Europe, but mostly difference in appearance. And that their technology, while it took a different path, wasn't necessarily "inferior" at all?
What?
There are Pyramids in Gaza? Quick! Tell the Palestinians they have a great tourism opportunity!
It could exhibit plasticity lying somewhere between solid and liquid, like Silly Putty, which acts like a highly viscous fluid in a relaxed state, but solid properties under stress.
But the point is moot anyway. The Earth's core is made of creamy nougat.
It's not solid iron. The Mole People couldn't live in solid iron. It's gaseous iron, at best.
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(Mass transit is infinitely superior to cars, anyway, and any "socialist" worthy of the title should know this. Wiping out a key piece of history is also about as anti-social as you can get. Besides which, the city can't take up that much space. Build the car park UNDER it. Spain does have mining equiptment, right? It's not totally deprived of technology, however bereft of wits it might be. Then you can have the ruins AND the car park.)
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You can cut a sphere in half on EACH great circle. It doesn't have to be parallel to the equator or to a longitude. If the line Surface-Center is in the plane of the cut, it is surely cutting the sphere into two halves. The line Bosnia-Egypt then only fixes the acutal position of the plane.
Keep your head buddy ... I just watch AVP and there some whacky stuff in those pyramids ... I mean the kinda stuff you could really lose a head over.
Here's a link to Sam Osmanagics website:
http://www.piramidasunca.ba/indexeng.htm
Yes, a thousand years of common understanding is definitely a reliable source of information. What have I been thinking, trusing empiricism and the modern sciences all these years? Clearly, I've been suffering from a brain fever, and need a good leeching to remove the black humours from my system.
I spent far too much money on education, when all I needed was the five thousand years of common understanding gathering dust on my bookshelf. I mean, if you can't trust that the first woman was grown from the rib of the first man, sho was in turn formed from river clay, then what can you trust?
Ok, I'm done now. It was really just that bit about the understanding that got me, the rest was quite insightful (though not informative, either the mods don't know the difference between the two words or they've recently moved from crack to LSD). Hope you aren't offended by the nitpicking.
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Let's not forget that most of the really great discoveries are found by amateurs and nutjobs. The experts cannot be everywhere.
The skepticism in the archaeological community is understandable, but there are being a little overbearing. All their models depend on having civilizations that create monuments, not monuments being evidence for civilizations. One need only examine the work of Shockley in regard to the Sphinx to see how aggressive the pros can get when their models are challenged.
Now, the really great discoveries do come from amateurs and wackos. But only a few. Most of them are just plain wrong. So the experts are kinda right to express heavy skepticism. But I agree, let the man finance his dig. If he uncovers more and more cut stone blocks, the archaeologists will be eating humble pie, especially that Zawari guy who has consistently chewed Shockley's ass off and has to be "THE GUY" who discovers everything in Egypt now.
The evidence for a lost "pre-civilization" keeps growing. We have found tobacco in ancient Egyptian tombs and a curious correlation of various mega-lith complexes around the world built in the image of the various signs of the Zodiac. If this is indeed a pyramid, it could be yet another in this pattern (along with the Pyramids in China). I don't think this the work of Aliens. It's just the work of an ancient civilization that rose, kept it's secrets too close to the vest then died off. And perhaps it WAS the Atlantians and Plato just did not have his details straight. The odds of various pre-cultures spontaneously deciding to build their mega-liths using a unique Zodiac sign over thousands of years is pretty low.
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It just doesnt smack of a pyramid. They probably just tiled a hill or built many cobbled streets all over a hill. The Egypt pyramids sharply break the horizon, testament to the enormous amount of work required to move so much material there. If I were to build a pyramid in ancient Bosnia, I'd just tile a hill and present a huge bill to the king.
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