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Hacker Resells VOIP For Profit

uncleO writes "The New York Times tells the story of today's arrest of Edwin Andres Pena, 23, who 'hacked into computers run by an unsuspecting investment company in Rye Brook, N.Y., commandeered its unprotected servers, and re-routed his phone traffic through them,' then 'used more than $1 million he received from his customers to go on a spending spree, buying real estate in south Florida, a 40-foot Sea Ray Mercruiser motor boat, and luxury cars including a BMW and a Cadillac Escalade.'"

155 comments

  1. Ha! by Scott+Lockwood · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Too bad he wasn't smart enough to put it away in the Cayman Islands or a Swiss account!

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    1. Re:Ha! by RickPartin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wonder if moving the money offshore would have been more obvious. These days moving large sums of money around is monitored very closely due to terrorism concerns. Unless you know what you're doing, the government is going to be asking some questions.

    2. Re:Ha! by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      As the saying goes, this is one in a million. And sadly, I suspect that it is. There are plenty of people who bright enough to move the money to places that are off limits.

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    3. Re:Ha! by rblancarte · · Score: 1

      True. But considering that he was caught, I don't think it would have been much more of a flag raising than he already did. Hell, at least that doesn't have a picture identified w/ it, like posting his picture on the internet did (with his cars).

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    4. Re:Ha! by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Get a swiss acount, move mney from your business on a regular basis. Assuming his clients were paying per month, it would look like a legitimate regular transaction. Point in fact it would be a legitimate transaction.

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    5. Re:Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you on drugs or just terminally stupid?

    6. Re:Ha! by chundo · · Score: 1

      ...which is one reason couriers exist.

    7. Re:Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why make it an either-or?

    8. Re:Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe the word you're looking for is "wigger".

    9. Re:Ha! by mikalveli · · Score: 2, Funny
      Too bad he wasn't smart enough to put it away in the Cayman Islands or a Swiss account!

      He should have gotten a Nigerian Prince to find someone that can help him hide the money. That's what I would have done.

    10. Re:Ha! by ottothecow · · Score: 3, Informative

      Except that you cant get numbered swiss bank accounts anymore.

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    11. Re:Ha! by LoRdTAW · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      WOW if an SUV causes you that much grief I can only imagine the seizure you must have when a semi is involved. I am sick of the anti SUV crowd crying about how big SUVs are when there are much larger vehicles. Its called learn to drive and/or shut the hell up.

    12. Re:Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man what a solution from you- "Learn to drive and/or shut the hell up." You sound like you're twelve years old. The problem is that so many people drive suvs/trucks when they don't even use them for anything besides driving to work/school/parties, etc. and usually are the only ones inside. Sure, there are much larger vehicles, but they're typically used for construction, product transport, etc.(not saying that this isn't a problem, because it is), but I think it's the inherent wastefulness of one person driving an empty suv that irks a lot of people.

    13. Re:Ha! by Bromskloss · · Score: 1
      Except that you cant get numbered swiss bank accounts anymore.
      Oh, what is that? Numbered?
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    14. Re:Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I think it's the inherent wastefulness of one person driving an empty suv that irks a lot of people."

      And another person's choice of vehicle is anybody else's business because....?

    15. Re:Ha! by elliedrey · · Score: 1

      wow, amazing. Amazing that he wasnt caught earlier. I suppose network admin is to blame for not being up on his bussiness. ellie LongDistance-T1.com

  2. Hero or Bad guy? by jaymzter · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm never gonna get used to VOIP. Caffineated bacon? Baconated grapefruit? ADMIRAL Crunch?

    Here's reference for you young whipper snappers

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    1. Re:Hero or Bad guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hero or bad guy? how about asshole! if he was smart (dumb?) enough to crack in and make money off it, he shd have been smart (dumb) enough to put it or at least a major portion away for a rainy day... and i hear it's pouring cats and dogs now ;P

    2. Re:Hero or Bad guy? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Easy to say, but who can resist the temptation of 20 inch blades on an Escolade?

      Oh, right.

    3. Re:Hero or Bad guy? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Grapefruitized popcorn?

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    4. Re:Hero or Bad guy? by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      I love it when people get modded up for reciting other people's quality without citation.

      And your delivery, sir, is less than half that of Billy West's.

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  3. The real crime... by gnomeza · · Score: 5, Funny

    in this story is that he went and bought a Cadillac...

    1. Re:The real crime... by springbox · · Score: 4, Funny

      Spending sprees are just so cliché these days anyway. It would be refershing to see a criminal that puts their millions into investments instead.

    2. Re:The real crime... by anagama · · Score: 2, Funny

      He shoulda gotten in on the Vonage IPO.

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    3. Re:The real crime... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Spending sprees are just so cliché these days anyway. It would be refershing to see a criminal that puts their millions into investments instead.


      Do you really expect one theif to trust another, bigger thief ?
    4. Re:The real crime... by dreddnott · · Score: 1, Interesting

      This link points to a CNN story about a forger who donated much of the money from an investment scam to his college, NYU. Of course, that was just a front for another stereotypical spending spree: a Porsche and a Tiffany diamond, among other things.

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    5. Re:The real crime... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you serious?

      Cadillac is the uh... well... Cadillac of cars.

    6. Re:The real crime... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sentencing guidelines on the Cadillac charge are pretty harsh, so he may want to enter a plea bargain concerning the additional purchase of a BMW, which may be considered as a mitigating circumstance.

    7. Re:The real crime... by demachina · · Score: 1

      The Cadillac Escalade was the most desirable vehicle for car thieves in the U.S. last year. It is a very luxurious SUV with a starting price around $60K. I imagine the reliability is not so great since it isn't a Toyota but Cadillac does do luxury interiors pretty well and always has.

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    8. Re:The real crime... by Cipster · · Score: 1

      Those are generally the ones that do not get busted so you do not get to hear about it.

    9. Re:The real crime... by camperdave · · Score: 1

      It would be refershing to see a criminal that puts their millions into investments instead.

      Pay a little more attention to American Politics, then. [grin]

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    10. Re:The real crime... by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      How can I possibly respond to the accusation of cliche when the appropriate Enron joke is even worse? (Huhu.)

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  4. whig-a smokin a pipe by buttcheese · · Score: 3, Funny

    WHO CARES...... VOIP is the devil, I had one but then I had an anureism in my left temporal lobe that exploded and blew out my eyeball causing me to stumble and fall down some stairs and cracked open my leg and got gangrene and then had ot have it amputated below the knee. So now I am known as the anti-VOIP pirate. when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro - figure it out

    1. Re:whig-a smokin a pipe by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Insightful
      when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro - figure it out

      You work as a white house PR person?

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    2. Re:whig-a smokin a pipe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" is from Hunter S. Thompson

    3. Re:whig-a smokin a pipe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PENIS!!!

      To confirm you're not a script,
      please type the word in this image: muffling

  5. Adios! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He should've taken the money and run... high-tail it to India or some such, maybe get a low-stress McJob, and then, live the good life off of whatever's left of that $1M.

    1. Re:Adios! by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know that's exactly why I think about stealing money and getting rich, so that I can retire to Bangalore and flip burgers before I go home to my mud hut.

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  6. Nice redflag there by muindaur · · Score: 1

    Yeah, like buying all those luxury items was most definately not a red flag that something was up. He should have high-tailed it out of the country while he had the chance but he got greedy and decided to live it up. Hope he enjoys absolute poverty in his jail cell.

    1. Re:Nice redflag there by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 1
      He should have high-tailed it out of the country while he had the chance but he got greedy and decided to live it up.

      Um, I think he actually first got greedy when he decided to fucking steal a million dollars of other people's money.

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    2. Re:Nice redflag there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically I didn't steal the money, I provided phone service to those that paid. I used bandwidth I didn't pay for to provide phone service to pay my paying customers.

    3. Re:Nice redflag there by mkw87 · · Score: 1
      Now how can you go an say that, its very possible he was only borrowing it, he was probably going to repay them for the bandwidth when he had the money.

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  7. Script Kiddie by Cartack · · Score: 0

    Thats the only explanation i can think off, No one that smart should or could act so stupidly.



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  8. Bad Taste by ewhac · · Score: 5, Funny
    ...used more than $1 million he received from his customers to go on a spending spree, buying real estate in south Florida, a 40-foot Sea Ray Mercruiser motor boat, and luxury cars including a BMW and a Cadillac Escalade. [emphasis mine]

    Why is it that most thieves have no taste? The BMW is okay, but most of that is tacky sh*t you could win on The Price is Right.

    Schwab
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    1. Re:Bad Taste by Vo0k · · Score: 1

      Bad taste and no brains. If the real estate was in Mexico, he'd be free, happy and rich now.

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    2. Re:Bad Taste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You come to Slashdot and complain about people with bad taste? Poor move, my man. Poor move.

    3. Re:Bad Taste by menace3society · · Score: 1

      I'm no expert on these matters, but if I'm not mistaken Florida state laws work differently with respect to seizing property to retire debts (i.e., it's harder than in most places). This means that he may be able to hang on to some or all of his stuff, and if he gets a decent lawyer he can be out of jail in a year or two. Then he can sell off his assets and take it easy, at least for a little while. If you throw in opportunities working as a security/network engineer for VOIP companies (or anyone, really), potential book deals, etc., he may not have to do a day's worth of real work for the rest of his life.

    4. Re:Bad Taste by troon · · Score: 1

      More importantly, how did he get all that with just $1m?!

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    5. Re:Bad Taste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm willing to bet $20 that this guy had a _Scarface_ poster on his bedroom wall.

  9. if you can't trust the internet by RedHatChilliPeppers · · Score: 1

    If you can't trust the internet why do you have to trust voip? yeah its cheaper but its definitely not as safe for investors.

  10. Bet he was NOT... by Linker3000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...allowed one phone call when arrested!!

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  11. Hmmm... by Davus · · Score: 2, Funny

    This article sounds like a HOWTO! -click-

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    1. Re:Hmmm... by P3NIS_CLEAVER · · Score: 1

      I wonder how much money he would of made doing this legitimately? 90% of the footwork must of been getting customers....

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    2. Re:Hmmm... by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      $Id: crime-gc-howto.html, v 1.38 2006/03/17 22:52:50 johnh Exp $

      HOWTO: Make a million dollars illegally and go straight the fuck to jail

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  12. Why was he arrested? by CatWrangler · · Score: 3, Funny

    If he was in the Government, he would have gotten a medal of freedom, and a nice no-bid contract after this was done.

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  13. Scam Artist Beware! by crazyjeremy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When will they learn? If you ever find a get rich quick scheme that ACTUALLY WORKS and makes you millions you should spend it slowly. Don't go for the Escalade and McLaren. Don't buy a home on the coast of Florida. Do learn about banks in Switzerland.

    1. Re:Scam Artist Beware! by Pink+Tinkletini · · Score: 2, Insightful
      When will they learn?
      Thing is, you only hear about the ones who don't. I'm sure this sort of thing happens all the time--it's just that the smart ones don't get caught.
    2. Re:Scam Artist Beware! by drspliff · · Score: 1

      Ahah, then move to Egypt where you could live very happily for a whole lifetime on a million dollars with nothing but verbal contracts with Arabic farmers to track where it's all going.

      A million dollars is great, but in most of the western world you can spend it too quickly (you should talk to Jennifer Lopez' accountant I'm sure he'll give you a few spending tips).

    3. Re:Scam Artist Beware! by Tx · · Score: 4, Funny
      I'm sure this sort of thing happens all the time--it's just that the smart ones don't get caught.

      That's right, we don't.

      Oh bugger...
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    4. Re:Scam Artist Beware! by 3waygeek · · Score: 1

      Actually, buying the Florida home may be a smart idea. Florida's homestead laws are especially generous, so an expensive home is a good way to shelter your assets.

    5. Re:Scam Artist Beware! by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Yes, do learn about banks in Switzerland, which haven't hidden money in more than a decade. Also, learn about selecting to whom to listen carefully.

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    6. Re:Scam Artist Beware! by romrom97 · · Score: 1


      Forget about spending it slowly. Grab your money and leave the country. Go hide somewhere for a while until the heat dies down.

  14. Now that's a smart business man. by Pedrito · · Score: 1

    1: Set up VoIP web site

    2: Get customers to pay for VoIP

    3: Connect customers at someone else's expense.

    4: Profit$$$$

    Sounds like a clever business model to me.

    1. Re:Now that's a smart business man. by loolgeek · · Score: 1

      I don't get it... An ISP in France, called "Free" (sic) http://free.fr/ offers for 30 euros/month Internet (DSL 20mb/sec), TV (80 channels including HD TV and VoD) and phone (local, national and international (US fix/mobile, China, UK, etc.) for free/unlimited). Why people still pays for phone calls ?!?

    2. Re:Now that's a smart business man. by paitre · · Score: 1

      That sort of thing isn't particularly available in the US, and the majority of the offerings (that I'm aware of) are from 2nd Tier companies that very few Americans seem willing to give business to.

      They'd rather pay Comcast, Verizon, at&t, etc for that service (which most of them do NOT currently offer in most of their markets, if at all). We also seem to be more fond of dropping landlines for cellphones, too ;)

    3. Re:Now that's a smart business man. by Timberwolf0122 · · Score: 1

      Actualy if he could of reached an agreement with several companies to use spare bandwidth during off peak (for a nominal feee, hey it's money for old rope)hours he could of done it legaly.

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  15. Toll fraud by porkThreeWays · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to work in the VoIP business writing software a few years ago. There's A LOT of illegal activity that goes on. Much more than you think. Espically in wholesale. These guys do this stuff all the time. I guess the real story is that it happened in the US. Mostly it happens outside of the US. But trust me, it happens all the time. The shitty thing is, you have to pay for minutes you were ripped off. It's one of the few businesses that you can have stolen more than you have. If I have a warehouse ripped off, I am only out the equipment in that warehouse. With tollfraud, I can be out 300,000 dollars more than my whole business is worth.

    It's bound to happen. A lot of these guys just buy a cheap-o softswitch and throw it in a noc. Some of them do their billing in MS Access.

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    1. Re:Toll fraud by RedHatChilliPeppers · · Score: 1

      hahahaha VOIP = high-tech MS Access = low-tech *confused*

    2. Re:Toll fraud by IntelliTubbie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The shitty thing is, you have to pay for minutes you were ripped off. It's one of the few businesses that you can have stolen more than you have. If I have a warehouse ripped off, I am only out the equipment in that warehouse. With tollfraud, I can be out 300,000 dollars more than my whole business is worth.

      Actually, you can lose more than you're worth whenever you buy something on credit -- this isn't unique to VOIP at all. Monthly billing, essentially, lets you buy minutes on credit until you have to repay your debt at the end of the month. Suppose you ran a retail store and bought your inventory on credit, expecting to pay for it with the revenue from selling the inventory. If your store gets robbed, you're in the same boat -- you owe money that you don't have. (Or suppose you run a restaurant, and your fridge breaks down, spoiling all the food that you bought on credit ...)

      The problem is obviously solved if you already own all your inventory, in which case you can only lose what you've already paid for. With VOIP, the same would be true if you pre-paid for your minutes.

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    3. Re:Toll fraud by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      In either case, you just hope your insurance company can sort things out quickly enough for your debtors.

      Yep, insurance. Businesses have it to.
      If you have a good policy (meaning you aren't a cheapskate) you'll be fine.

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    4. Re:Toll fraud by wkitchen · · Score: 1

      This can happen with leased equipment too. Lease agreements for anything substantial will typically require insurance, though.

  16. To the rest of us pulling the same scheme. by ptelligence · · Score: 5, Funny

    Disconnect! Disconnect! The Gig is up!

    1. Re:To the rest of us pulling the same scheme. by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Dammit! The first rule is that you say everything in code!

      Unleash the angry marmoset...

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  17. spinners? by ezwip · · Score: 0, Funny

    If the Escalade is on stock rims I really don't think you can call it a luxury automobile. I kinda symphathize with this guy. He starts his own business, buys a cadi, and his rims don't even spin. You can't live in Florida with stock rims! So he cuts a few corners but still provides for his customers. Then ya know you gotta have a boat too and you don't want a flounder boat so he gets the 40 foot Mercury. Being environmentally conscious as he is it occurred to him to save gas and bought a beamer. At no point did he upgrade any rims or purchase any HKS parts. I think this guy is a shining example of how Republicans are leading us in the right directions. Enron forevers!!!

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  18. Didn't learn anything from Office Space? by mcguyver · · Score: 1

    How could you expect to get away with this? Like a little bandwith here and a little there is not going to show up on someone's radar...

    1. Re:Didn't learn anything from Office Space? by stinerman · · Score: 1

      If only there was a tray of spare bandwidth at your local friendly general store.

    2. Re:Didn't learn anything from Office Space? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Didn't learn anything from Office Space?


      In Office Space, didn't they get away with it then return the money, which was picked up by Milton?
    3. Re:Didn't learn anything from Office Space? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they returned the money after hearing accounting found an error.

  19. should've gotten the NSA on his side by kbob88 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Jeez, what an idiot. All he had to do to stay out of trouble was to split all the traffic off to the NSA so they could eavesdrop on it all. They'd have leaned on the FBI to keep him out of the lockup. Probably would've gotten a medal from W even...

  20. What is it with Florida? by kidtwist · · Score: 1

    Why is it that so many corrupt enterprises are based in Florida? Everytime you hear about something like this some or all of the people involved are in Florida.

    1. Re:What is it with Florida? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the heat. It's the stupidity.

    2. Re:What is it with Florida? by 97cobra · · Score: 0

      Its called ... "the beach". Its also called .... "not freezing your ass off" :-)

    3. Re:What is it with Florida? by RajivSLK · · Score: 1

      Florida or Germany!

    4. Re:What is it with Florida? by nblender · · Score: 2, Funny

      Most criminals are too stupid to spell "schenectady"

    5. Re:What is it with Florida? by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 1

      Miami is shithole of souless morons... That is why sir.

      Everyone in Miami is dieing to fuck "up" :)

    6. Re:What is it with Florida? by Vskye · · Score: 1

      It's the bankruptcy laws. 60 minutes had this on last week.

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    7. Re:What is it with Florida? by sgent · · Score: 2, Informative
      The way the bankruptcy laws and asset seizure laws are written -- a "homestead" in Flordia is untouchable by creditors. House worth 20million? Doesn't matter -- its protected.

      Note -- this applies to civil proceedings. Criminal forfieture laws are different.

    8. Re:What is it with Florida? by dimension6 · · Score: 1

      Sure, but they can take everything out of it, leaving you with a spacious empty cave! (I don't really know if the law includes the things inside the house...)

    9. Re:What is it with Florida? by sgent · · Score: 1

      Yep, but after you exit BK, sell the house, and you have X million in cash.

    10. Re:What is it with Florida? by prakslash · · Score: 1

      Why is it that so many corrupt enterprises are based in Florida? Everytime you hear about something like this some or all of the people involved are in Florida.

      If you look at a map of the USA, it looks like a toilet-bowl as seen from the side.
      Florida is where all the shit goes.

    11. Re:What is it with Florida? by Penguinoflight · · Score: 1

      There's two kinds of gullible people, those who are young and stupid, and those who are old and stupid. The difference is the old people have money from living an easier life.

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    12. Re:What is it with Florida? by kevinadi · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Real criminals would copy and paste "schenectady" instead.

    13. Re:What is it with Florida? by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Crime has been shown to follow Metcalfe's Law - incidence grows as the square of the population per square mile. Using Census 2000 numbers, the country had an average population density of 79.6 people per square mile, for an activity rate of 6336. Florida has a population density of 296.4, for an activity rate of 87852. One expects to see rougly 13.8* the crime per person in a state as densely packed as Florida as compared to this nation as a whole. This also accounts for New York (401.9->161523,) and most damningly New Jersey (1134->1285956, a number largely reflected in such hellholes as Newark, Camden, Jersey City, Hoboken, and so on.)

      In fact, if you take a look at the numbers, nearly every state fits the growth perfectly given an arbitrary coefficient. Texas and Ohio aberrantly high, California and Pennsylvania are aberrantly low. New York, surprisingly, is actually beating the curve pretty well; it's just so dense that you can't really tell until you understand the numbers.

      That said, what it boils down to is that in N people, there will be E=(N/X) bad eggs; however, as N goes up, each E can affect more people, and as the distribution of E gets wider, you statistically see a few of a more horrible class of person show up who are able to do just awful things like shooting at the freeway.

      Why does Florida have so much crime? Because there are more people there, so there are more nutbags there.

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  21. He obviously wasn't too smart by the_mighty_$ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    TFA says that his operation cost the real VOIP guys about $300,000. He received $1,000,000 in revenue. If he had just done the same thing, but legitimately, there would have been $600,000 profit. If he had only does things the right way....

    Crime can pay--for a short while. But real innovation and hard work can *really* pay, and you don't have to be looking over your back the whole time.

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    1. Re:He obviously wasn't too smart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In all, more than 15 Internet phone companies, including the one in Newark, were left having to pay as much as $300,000 each in connection fees for routing the phone traffic to other carriers, without receiving any revenue for the calls, prosecutors said.
    2. Re:He obviously wasn't too smart by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      But real innovation and hard work can *really* pay, and you don't have to be looking over your back the whole time.

      Except when some patent company exercises their patent for "Electron to Sound" patent, and licenses you right out of business.

      I'd say the number of looking over your back is about even between legitimate and crime.

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    3. Re:He obviously wasn't too smart by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They claim it cost them $300,000. I doubt they were adding additional hardware to meet capacity because he was using their systems. More likely this number is mostly bullshit, and takes into account time spent dealing with it once it was discovered, and bandwidth bills. Your theory also neglects to take into account the startup cost of building a business like that, overhead, et cetera. It's a lot easier to be profitable when someone else is paying the bills, and has already built the infrastructure.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    4. Re:He obviously wasn't too smart by Clod9 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The way I read it, 15 companies had to foot real bills from real companies, and the largest of these 15 bills was $300,000. The other companies all paid less, but the total may have been up to (or even more than) $1 million.
      (Oops, I went and read the article before posting again. Silly me.)

    5. Re:He obviously wasn't too smart by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1

      They probably arrived at the figure by assuming that every call made through the hackers was a lost sale. Sound familiar? ;-)

    6. Re:He obviously wasn't too smart by reset_button · · Score: 1

      $1,000,000 - $300,000 = $600,000?

      Are you bad at math, or trying to pull a fast one and get away with $100,000? :)

  22. Shouldn't the title really say by OYAHHH · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hacker Resells VOIP For "Fun" and Profit

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  23. Uggghhhh by commo1 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    A Caddilac.

    A Caddilac Escalade.

    Has the man no taste?

    1. Re:Uggghhhh by JoloK · · Score: 0

      Wow, you managed to misspell Cadillac twice in a three-line post! Nice work!

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      JoloK
    2. Re:Uggghhhh by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      His taste and your spelling skills are equivalent both in quality and in degree of disgust by onlookers.

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      StoneCypher is Full of BS
  24. Hits close to home... by R3PUBLIC0N · · Score: 1

    I live in Rye Brook. That is some weird stuff right there.

  25. The Real Hero by Frightening · · Score: 3, Interesting

    in this little tale is man by the name of Robert Moore(RTFA), who did all the hacking.

    But in order to do this, new accounts with the SIP registrar servers had to be created, so how the hell did those go undetected? Also, there seems to be a misunderstanding about the Invesment company. In the end you HAVE to have real IPs even if you use proxy servers because that's how you communicate.

    I dont think it's possible to use port forwarding with current protocols. Or am I wrong?

    1. Re:The Real Hero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NAT traversal is out there, so it's not a far leap from proxy servers.

  26. Conjugal visits by nephridium · · Score: 1

    Come on, this is America.. They're not gonna saw your hands off here, all right? The worst thing they'd ever do is to put you for a couple of months into a white-collar minimum security resort! Shit, we should be so lucky! Do you know they have conjugal visits there?

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    And when you gaze long enough into the code, the code will also gaze into you.
    1. Re:Conjugal visits by LoonyMike · · Score: 1, Funny

      Conjugal!? We're talking about a hacker, remember?

    2. Re:Conjugal visits by nephridium · · Score: 1
      Beep. Wrong answer - it should have been "Shit, I'm a free man and I haven't had a conjugal visit in six months.."

      You may repent by watching Office Space ;)

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      And when you gaze long enough into the code, the code will also gaze into you.
    3. Re:Conjugal visits by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      There is an excellent chance that something much much worse than time in a country club prison is going to happen to this guy.

      From the article:
      Prosecutors say that starting in November 2004, the man arrested in Miami -- Edwin Andres Pena, 23, a Venezuelan who has permanent residency in the United States -- used two companies he created to offer wholesale phone connections at discounted rates to small Internet phone companies.

      Actually, he stands almost a 100% chance of losing his permanent residency and being deported after he serves time in jail. If you a permanent resident and you are convicted of a crime, you can be deported for it. Prior to 9-11, this wasn't done so much, but these days Uncle Sam is looking for any excuse he can to deport permanent residents who violate the law. I've read many stories about permanent residents whove been in the US for 10+ years and then got convicted of a misdemeanor and were suddenly up for deportation. For example, a permanent resident could get convicted of a DUI and suddenly he is going to be deported for it. I've read about families being broken up where a mother or father was deported for a rather minor offense, so I don't think this guy has any chance of being allowed to remain in the US after he does his time, assuming he is convicted for it.

    4. Re:Conjugal visits by Garabito · · Score: 1

      I think he's going to be sent to the Pound-me-in-the-ass Federal Prision.

  27. GREED!!! and Ego by Danathar · · Score: 1

    Greed is what gets criminals. Ego makes them believe they can't be caught.

    1. Re:GREED!!! and Ego by geekoid · · Score: 1

      That only applies to criminals that were caught.

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    2. Re:GREED!!! and Ego by x_MeRLiN_x · · Score: 0

      Have you conisdered a career in detective work?

  28. Gen Y by rijrunner · · Score: 5, Funny


    Well.. I, for one, never really bought into the myth that kids today are unmotivated. It is good to see someone with ambition and drive. I am, like many others, sadly noting the use he put his money to.

    Dude, its not Swiss bank accounts or the Cayman Islands. Its Vegas Baby.. Alcohol, women, drugs, gambling... In my day, we did not give a damn about the future as we knew we could always steal more. They can take your possessions away, but never your memories. In my day, we created companies that sold nothing and listed money invested by venture capitalists as "sales" and gave ourselves huge bonuses.. This plan would have really worked, if you have followed the 1990's model and not actually provided any services...

    On the serious side tho.. Doesn't this raise some fundamental questions about VOIP security? If I am reading this correctly, they did not hack the VOIP software itself, but a computer on which they resided, then ran the software normally. That opens a lot of systems worldwide to this sort of scheme.

  29. Odd with whom the sympathies rest by k1980pc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Majority of the comments here tells what-he-should-have-done-to-not=get-caught. He is a cheat, he got caught. Serves him right. And with the amount he would have siphoned off, there will be enogh lawyers with snake oil to let him out. I do not think he need any sympathies and advice from /. crowd

    1. Re:Odd with whom the sympathies rest by nephridium · · Score: 3, Funny

      I do not think he need any sympathies and advice from /. crowd

      This is slashdot - we love giving advice (on anything to anyone). Here is my advice for the hacker: A minimum security prison is no picnic. - The trick is: kick someone's ass the first day or become someone's bitch. Then everything will be all right.

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      And when you gaze long enough into the code, the code will also gaze into you.
    2. Re:Odd with whom the sympathies rest by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      Sure, he deserved getting caught. But it's just disappointing that a guy that has enough brains to earn $1M that way didn't have enough to just vanish and live quietly in another country before the police came looking.

      It's quite amazing what people manage to pull off sometimes, like this: http://www.wired.com/news/business/1,52114-0.html

      It's like the plot from a bank robbery movie! Thieves get in, steal traffic control equipment, then happily *eat and smoke* in the place, and drive away without hurry as the traffic lights lose sync. They even stole the alarm as well. There's something to be said about a job well done ;-)

    3. Re:Odd with whom the sympathies rest by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 1
      But it's just disappointing that a guy that has enough brains to earn $1M that way didn't have enough to just vanish and live quietly in another country before the police came looking.

      That's because people that pull that kind of stuff are narcissistic and sociopathic. They think they'll never get caught because they're "too clever." It has nothing to do with brains and everything to do with pathology. The people who think like you do are the kind of people who wouldn't do it in the first place.

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    4. Re:Odd with whom the sympathies rest by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Majority of the comments here tells what-he-should-have-done-to-not=get-caught.

      It's a technical discussion of flaws in the system. Not sympathy.

      When /.ers discuss flaws in IE, it's not because they're trying to help crackers.
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    5. Re:Odd with whom the sympathies rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has nothing to do with brains and everything to do with pathology. The people who think like you do are the kind of people who wouldn't do it in the first place.

      Give it time. To someone approaching retirement with no money for retirement, risking jail time might not be that risky anymore. Downside of getting caught? Jail time = gov't provided rest home.

    6. Re:Odd with whom the sympathies rest by JoloK · · Score: 0

      That's what /. is -- a public forum for discussion. Opinions are like assholes; yours, too.

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      JoloK
  30. inevitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    he bought a cadilac - what do you expect?

  31. Sea Ray? Snicker.... by kindbud · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    Sea Ray makes boats that people who know nothing about boats buy.


    Key Features

    Elegant styling.
    Enhanced performance with 1100 CR MAN engines.
    Climate-controlled cockpit sunroom.
    Two, large, independently actuated sun roofs.
    Versatile helm seating and companion seating.
    Optional cockpit grill.
    Standard bow and stern thrusters.
    Standard hydraulic lift swim platform.
    Full-beam master stateroom aft with elongated windowsport and starboard.
    Standard three staterooms.
    Optional crews quarters.
    Optional gangway.
    Colored hull options.



    I'm glad they listed the optinal Gangway since my first concern with a Sea Ray would be disembarking as soon as possible.

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    Edith Keeler Must Die
  32. Re:Sea Ray? Snicker.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree. For cruising arond South Beach, he should stop fucking around with Sea pRay and get a Donzi [Donzimarine.com]. Fast and stylish.

  33. NYU Check Kiter by djdavetrouble · · Score: 1

    I read that they pledged 21 million dollars, but did they ever get any of that money? Pledging and
    producing the goods are two separate matters entirely. I can freakin pledge all day, but nobody
    will ever see a dime as I don't actually have any money. I though t they didn't actually have the
    21 million and it was just part of the whole scam...

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    1. Re:NYU Check Kiter by dreddnott · · Score: 0

      NYU received over $1.2 million from forger-boy but will be refunding every bit of it once they track down the investors.

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      I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.
  34. socialism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Prosecutors say that starting in November 2004, the man arrested in Miami - Edwin Andres Pena, 23, a Venezuelan who has permanent residency in the United States - used two companies he created to offer wholesale phone connections at discounted rates to small Internet phone companies.


    That's socialism, right there in a nut-shell. That is totally Venezuela. Rob from the rich, give to the poor, while enriching yourself and buying luxury items with their money. Chavez, Chairman Mao, and Stalin just took it one step further and used the army to murder anyone who stood in their way (communism) of enforcing socialism.

    Capitalism has you rob from the poor, then use the money for a Bridge-to-Nowhere and building Crescent-of-Embrace monuments to Islamic terrorists who just flew planes into a couple of your skyscrapers.

    Not sure which way is better, but this guy is 100% Venezuelan. That's awesome. Viva le Che!
  35. Kids these days by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Funny

    In my day, we resold VOIP for fun. The profit was just a nice side benefit.

  36. Then watch this show -- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's one of the best shows I've ever watched. Intelligent, and wait till you see what this guy invests in. Start watching it from the first season, as everything builds on everything prior.

  37. Voip by ralph1 · · Score: 0

    I hate people to lazy to steal.

  38. Hacker or cracker? by iamdead · · Score: 1, Insightful

    When do people realize that they are commonly using word "hacker". In this case cracker should be used instead!!!

    1. Re:Hacker or cracker? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lets not get racist! ;O)

    2. Re:Hacker or cracker? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When do _you_ realize that people have been complaining about this for the last 15 years, and the definition still hasn't changed. Sorry buddy, these days it's part of the culture. Besides, cracker just doesn't sound cool enough to warrant a article anywhere.

    3. Re:Hacker or cracker? by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Welcome to 1993. The people you're pretending to be one of moved on long before you ever learned the word. As a general rule of thumb, try to get angry about things you're not an obvious outsider to.

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      StoneCypher is Full of BS
  39. Howto: Launder Money by hughk · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Washing cash is hard, but once in the banking system, life becomes a little easier. The challenge is just to show that you are not linked to the money and it shouldn't be taxable.

    First you set up an offshore legal entity. It should raise the invoices and receive the payments. There should be no visible link between the entity and you and the entity should not be registered/domiciled in a country of increased risk for money laundering.

    Forget Swiss accounts, they are passe and the numbered accounts (anonymous) are no more. Useful for avoiding a bit of income tax but that is about it. Even then, if you are high-profile (i.e., involved in illegal activities), the Swiss won't want your money.

    Even a lesser known friend, Austria is trying to phase out the bearer savings-accounts, i.e., he who has the savings-book has account access, without giving a name.

    Lichtenstein is slightly more positive but even there beneficiaries aren't totally anonymous. The Caribbean is definitely out because even if you find a neutral risk country there, the transactions are watched closely because of drugs. Forget shell-banks, they aren't considered acceptable at all.

    Although the money involved with financing 9/11 was minuscule, this has been used as an excuse to force through anti-money-laundering legislation so large cash transactions and international payments are monitored closely. If you are in the US or the UK, it is quite hard now but not totally impossible. The easiest is to live outside either country if you want to enjoy your criminal gains.

    Note anyone taking the above seriously must remember that you can launder money and get away with it, but you may find the places that will take you are not the places you want to live!!!!

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    See my journal, I write things there
    1. Re:Howto: Launder Money by russ1337 · · Score: 1

      You also have to factor the exponential increase in risk with each illegal activity. The chance of getting caught doing something only once is remote. Do it a second time and you've got about a 50/50 chance of getting caught, do it a third time and there is about a 95% chance of getting caught. Do it more than that, and you are in the fringes of the distribution curve.... only a very small percentage of the population get away with the same crime more than three times.

    2. Re:Howto: Launder Money by hughk · · Score: 1
      It depends. If you establish a process, this is less visible than a single event, especially if significant amounts of cash or securities are involved. I don't think its a secret, but the surveillance systems look for anomalous behaviour.

      At the same time a client is profiled. If you have a certain kind of business then you have a risk category assigned and you have certain kinds of transactions that are considered normal. Resources are limited so only a percentage of transactions are scrutinised by a human.

      In the case of the original poster, establish an offshore telco capacity reselling operation and there would be no issue with regular payments.

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    3. Re:Howto: Launder Money by russ1337 · · Score: 1

      Good point. Crime that is continuous is very hard to detect and like you say, especially where there is no change in trend. Like when your cell-phone bill arrives. Its like, "um' that bill is ok, i'm being ripped off the normal amount this month .. nothing to worry about."

  40. Luxury cars? BMW?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are so plebian its untrue.

  41. Clichéd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spending sprees are just so cliché these days anyway.

    It is a cliché to go on a spending spree with your ill-gotten gains.
    Spending sprees are just so clichéd.

  42. Serves them right... by g00p · · Score: 1

    Serves Him right for getting caught. Serves them right because someone stupid enough to get caught managed to break them. Haha (in that annoying voice that kid from the simpsons does...)

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  43. The "real" impact of this story... by theotherbastard · · Score: 1

    ...is that it makes the case for Net Neutrality that much harder.

    The references to "unregulated networks' says it all.

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    Buttons aren't toys.
  44. We all like exploits by Sigg3.net · · Score: 0

    A lot of modern cinema has got us cheering for the bad guys. I love a good diamond robbery tale.
    And look at the NOKAS robbery here in Norway. If they hadn't shot that police officer and been caught, they'd be somewhat heroic. It's because we all like to see major, titan systems exploited by one cunning little thief. We like the idea of hacking.
    Now they even may make a series about the robbery.

    It's just horrible when it ends in death, tho. Just my 2 cents.
    Mor about the robbery: Aftenposten English ed

  45. Re:Sea Ray? Snicker.... by Thundersnatch · · Score: 1

    In my mind, there is no substitute for a Viking. Every feature you could imagine, and they'll do any customizations you want. Dock it at Atlantis in the Bahamas...

  46. What if.... by SimpleBinary · · Score: 1

    What if he told these companies that their networks were insecure, don't you think they'd pay him for this information?? Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be a millionaire in just a few months!

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    ...am I supposed to put something here?
  47. "I do not think it means what you think it means" by sethg · · Score: 1

    Someone who illicitly breaks into computer systems is a "cracker", not a "hacker". (Haven't we spent the last twenty years trying to explain that to the suits? If Slashdot can't get it right....)

    Someone who sells stolen property is a "fence", not a "reseller".

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  48. Re:"I do not think it means what you think it mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK then tell us .
    What can VOIP customers do to protect themselves?

    What failings?
    the ISP? . the VOIP system? the user ? All three?
    What factors were at play here that let the bad asses in?
    SIMPLY PUT
    HOW CAN WE KEEP THEM OUT ? WHAT SETTINGS ON OUR FIREWALLS OR WHAT CAN WE USE TO PROTECT ourselves ?
    Should we be hounding our ISPs to keep us safe?
    What are they doing?
    Please start telling us how to protect ourselves from the potential problem , What are the issues ? please list them so we can prevent this. Lets turn this thread constructive

  49. About Robert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Robert is a great man who loves his family.
    => http://freerobert.com/