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Gangs on the Internet
mikesd81 writes "Apparently street gangs have gotten Web-savvy. Web Bangers are posting potentially incriminating photos and taunts on their websites. Police departments suddenly faced with gangs are looking for help on the gangs' own easy-to-find Web sites. The director of the National Gang Crime Research Center has stated "In order to understand any subculture, be it al-Qaida, witches, devil worshippers or gangs, you have to be able to know their own language.'
Knox said it's important for police to learn how to read between the lines on gang Web sites and blogs. Just as time on the streets has given gang investigators the ability to read the hieroglyphics of wall graffiti, time on the Web helps them understand arcane Web clues. Gang identifiers, such as tattoos, graffiti tags, colors and clothing often are embedded in each site."
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In order to understand any subculture, be it al-Qaida [sic], witches, devil worshippers or gangs, you have to be able to know their own language.
I'm sorry, but comparing witches to Al-Quaeda is a bit of an ad absurdum. We all know witches are more powerful, which is why we dealt with these terrorists in the 1600's, and did not not deal with the latter terrorists in the 1980's when we could have.
How did Wicca get lumped into a sentence with these other three groups?
Hello... peaceful earth-based religion here. We don't go on Crusades to conquer someone else's Holy Land...
Interesting stuff. Targetting the idiots who are lower rank in gangs seems like a really good idea, given some of the spectacularily stupid stuff people admit on the internet. Can't help but feel this won't catch any of the serious gangsters though.
"Web Bangers are posting potentially incriminating photos and taunts on their websites."
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Oh, so this is why there's so much "tagging" on the Internets nowadays.
If Nalgene water bottles are outlawed, only outlaws will have Nalgene water bottles.
No no no...
They mean the kind of witches with wart covered noses, flying brooms, and bubbling cauldrons..
"In order to understand any subculture, be it al-Qaida, witches, devil worshippers or gangs, you have to be able to know their own language."
Witches? Devil-worshippers?
Is this from the Nation Gun Crime Research Centre or the Ordo Hereticus?
cmd-q.co.uk - some sort of stupid fucking internet bullshit
You almost made sense, Mr. NGCRC. Until the line In order to understand any subculture, be it al-Qaida, witches, devil worshippers or gangs, you have to be able to know their own language.
Then I knew you're a loonie.
Witches? Hello? Could you join us in the 21st century? If people want to believe in witchcraft, so be it. It's not like they mount their brooms and fly off to some mountain anymore. That's the fad of the past, it's been over for like 400 years by now.
No wonder that they spend their time puzzling what those tags could mean. I mean, if you can't get a clue after 400 years when it's hit you with a broomstick... MAN, some people are slow!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Well, if you're such a peaceful bunch, you've got nothing to fear from their god, now have you?
Seriously...secret handshakes?
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
"Yeah man...those 18th street guys are badass. They have secret handshakes and everything..."
The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously.
I have actually seen footage on youtube of crime being showed of as if it is something to be proud of.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bMJjIFZYq3I
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bhNuETvjakw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w2G_PwKwK7Y
I am not a witch. They dressed me like this. The mentality of someone (associated with the police) who compares terrirists to witches and devil worshipers cares me terribly. Leave the devil worshipers and witches alone and go after territorists and street gangs, eh? To count that's two groups that are actually dangerous and two groups whose existance is clearly protected by the costitution. I now return you to your regularly scheduled geekery.
myspace hardly requires any leet geek skills... this is just a sign that the web has got dumb enough for dumb people to use it.
Their god isn't the problem, it's the fanatical followers who feel that despite worshiping a peaceful, loving god they can still be violent and hateful.
Oh, Please. The article did not say "Wicca." It said "witches." Give it up.
The "Witches are Happy Peaceful People" diatribe is even slighthly more annoying then the "Hackers are Happy Curious People" screed. Both words mean something else in popular parlance, and that's all there is to it. I have more sympathy for the "hackers-are-good" crowd, because they legitimately lost their word to a media gone suddenly cyber-melodramtic, but the Buckland and Gardner crew deliberately took an already negatively charged word, stuck it up there with all the other chips on their shoulders, and tried to win it back -- in the most irritating and condescending way possible -- from all us ignorant "mundanes." Sure, good luck with that...
Oh, yeah, about those Crusades: many, many, centuries ago, my li'l crystal polisher. Better analogy would have been, "Hello... peaceful earth-based religion here. We don't crash airplanes into someone else's building in the name of our goddess..."
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Funny, I work at Microsoft and a window in my office got broken today (yes, there were jokes about it)...
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Police departments suddenly faced gangs are looking for help on the gangs' own easy-to-find Web sites.
What the hell does that mean?
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If public web sites help the police track down perpertrators of illegal activities, that's a good thing. But I worry about statements like these:
"In order to understand any subculture, be it al-Qaida, witches, devil worshippers or gangs, you have to be able to know their own language," Knox said.
Devil worship and witchcraft aren't illegal in the US and are rarely linked to illegal activities; the police has no business getting involved in that "subculture" at all.
Furthermore, even when it comes to al Quaeda and gangs, they should be careful: after all, if we can get al Quaeda and gangs to limit their activities to free speech on the Internet, then that's a good thing. We should encourage these groups to use the Internet, not drive them away.
Witches !- Wicca. Traditionally in Europe it meant devil worshippers and possible followers of some fairly nasty practices. It also covers African witchcraft which frequently involves murder. You may wish to dissociate Wicca from that. Fair enough. However it is not reasonable for you to expect to redefine the meanings of the words involved in line with your beliefs. Wicca is essentially a modern invention (not one I have much sympathy with but that should not matter to you) and I would need a lot of convincing that it has any meaningful links to either ancient paganism or most old traditions of witchcraft so I do not see any reason to re-define the word witchcraft in line with Wicca. Ancient pagans fought wars, took slaves and slaughtered civilians and in all that thought the gods were backing them. If you claim any link with them you can not then disclaim their bad side.
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It's not because they can't afford to, it's because they can't budget and most are their own best customers.
When I was a teen, hung on kind of a rough corner. More than a few of the kids were dealers. Mostly pot (though most of them graduated later on to actual harmful drugs). Besides smoking most of their stash, they'd do stupid things like blow money on other drugs or buy Don Perignon, etc.
Two of my friends wanted me to go into "business" with them selling weed. It would have been a pretty sweat deal actually as I really wouldn't have to do much of anything except put up a small amount of cash at the beginning and then just manage the money after and have no liability.
I was tempted, but that's not my thing so I declined, but I did the math on it before saying not, it would have been around $3500 profit a week.
By rights, most of them should own houses.
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Funny, I work at Microsoft and a window in my office got broken today (yes, there were jokes about it)...
That is funny.
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On Sunday, Bush warned Americans that "this crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take awhile." I'll leave it up to you to decide whether Bush really does want a Christian war in the Middle East or whether he's just stupid and ignorant.
Are there any good gangs in my timezone that use DKP?
members are seeing something, your seeing an ad
I'll leave it up to you to decide whether Bush really does want a Christian war in the Middle East or whether he's just stupid and ignorant.
Where's the "all of the above" circle?
'Oh, yeah, about those Crusades: many, many, centuries ago, my li'l crystal polisher. Better analogy would have been, "Hello... peaceful earth-based religion here. We don't crash airplanes into someone else's building in the name of our goddess..." oooooh, i'm gonna get modded down so-o-o-o-o fast.....!' how's this one: ""Hello... peaceful earth-based religion here; we don't spend billions of dollars to shelter thousands of child molesters from justice" or "Hello... peaceful earth-based religion here; we don't tell an entire continent riddled with HIV to not use condoms" or ""Hello... peaceful earth-based religion here; we don't take taxpayers money and give it to fundamentalists" or "Hello... peaceful earth-based religion here; we don't gloat over the destruction of a city saying they had it coming for being wicked" or "Hello... peaceful earth-based religion here; we don't think the world is going to end any minute in a blazing mess of fire but that's ok cause Jesus is going to miracle me up to the sky before I can get crisped" or "Hello... peaceful earth-based religion here; at least we understand that Jesus was a liberal Jew who had much more in common with Abby Hoffman than G.W.Bush" this is pretty fun actually! I love the "modded down" part too. The "wow, playing the persecuted christian card is so politically incorrect" is awesome! Do it again!
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There was actually a video of a guy (supposed rapper from philly) named Joey Jihad (don't ask.. I don't know either) posted on youtube a while ago. Long story short, a few of the street thugs standing on the corner told waved him down out of his car, had him come over and start freestyling on camera, then one ran up and knocked him out (sucker punched).. then stole his car.
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The video was posted online. The guy who sucker punched Jihad is now dead.
Moral of the story: People do stupid shit and post it on the internet hoping to gain popularity. Those same acts, which may have gone unpunished, cost them a great deal in the long run because they want the world to see how much of a "badass" they are (see high school fight clubs, the "stop snitchin" dvd, etc.). Some are lucky enough to get jail time while others lose their lives.
Oh, I managed to find a google video link of the incident:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=292805886
GTA: Web Banger
In which you play the role of a pale pimple-faced nerd with an inhaler, posing as a big bad nigga online. Spend days photoshopping a grand theft auto or grafitti, instead of actually doing it. Brag about your bad-mofo inner-city gangsta exploits, from the safety of your parents' basement in the suburbs. Spend hours playing CS and GTA while listening to wannabe wigger rappers, as material for those bad-mofo gangsta stories. Throw in some porn late at night, after your parents went to sleep, as material for some gangland rape story. Spend a couple of days trying to get the Audigy 2 you got for your birthday to make you sound like a bad-mofo gangsta on voice chat, then give up and revert to typing pseudo-ebonics. Etc.
Yup, the high-tech law-breakin' game of the future. I can just see it.
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Says alot about the mindset of this guy...he lumps in un-popular religions with groups who actually set out to hurt people.
Blar.
The other day I was driving through Bathurst and saw "CRIP 4 LIFE" spray-painted on a mailbox.
Seemed a bit pathetic at first, really, some kid from small town Canada pretending he's a member of a gang he probably saw on TV and thought looked cool. But I have to wonder if these sites aren't more of a recruitment tool than anything else, an attempt to start branches of these gangs in places where they would normally would have no reach.
Having small local gangs with national and international affiliations would be useful if you needed out-of-town locations for smuggling, safe-houses, grow-ops...
"fought wars, took slaves and slaughtered civilians and in all that thought the gods were backing them"
Replace slaves with captives held without reason or trial
and how is this diffrent than the current US Administration?
Replace "wars" with "grandpa," "slaves" with "naps" and "slaughtered civilians" with "baked cookies"
and how is that different from my grandma?
The libertarian solution to the failures of capitalism is to apply more capitalism til the failures are fixed.
People have been complaining about dumb people using the internet ever since AOL started giving their users access to it.
(i would hardly be surprised if the guys that created Darpanet were the first to get concerned about dumb people accessing the would be Internet when universities started giving students access to it)
against these CS Gangsters it EOF
I'm sure "easily and without effort" is hyperbole, but as one prison guard/weekend warrior I knew put it:
"War on Drugs - The dealers around here all wear red bandannas, and don't let anyone else wear them. If it was a real war, it would be over in 15 minutes - me 20, gang 0!"
This guy used to show up for basic weapons qualification on rifle ranges I was adminning, fire 38 rounds, put the M-16 down with 2 rounds left, and insist on sticking with a score of 38 out of a possible 40. He never missed, that I saw, but didn't want a bunch of eagle eye scores on his military record, because if he ever had to shoot in a prison hostage situation or something, he was worried about some lawyer getting that record and grilling him about why he didn't just shoot the shiv out of someone's hand at 800 meters.
Even so, it would be harder than he or you make it sound. Gangs usually have a few older members who know how to keep a lower profile. There's a hard core that often includes some people who are military or police trained, access to some long range weapons of their own (even if it's likely to be single shot stuff) and often some sort of compartmentalization or cell-like structure, so the outer layer of street punks couldn't identify the whole core even if they wanted to. Don't mistake the dumb, cheap and expendable outer layers for the whole problem.
Who is John Cabal?
Wow, does this guy have an ax to grind. What does an imaginary network of terrorists, practitioners of a polytheistic nature religion, angst-filled teenagers, and small cliques of violent street thugs have in common? None of them are a threat to society but provide a convenient fantasy for people obsessed with some silly notion of an epic battle of Good versus Evil. People like this scare me more than a few scattered street gangs.
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What the heck does this mean?
I don't even know what the heck this means.
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"long histories and complex traditions"? The Church of Satan dates back to April 30, 1966. That's oh so very long indeed.
While we're at it, every "pagan" I've ever met follows a fairly recently concocted hodgepodge of dozens of individual, mutually contradictory bits of pre-Christian religions, along with a healthy dose of made-up nonsense. "Wicca" dates back to the 1920s, at best.
So yeah, I look down on it.
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While we're at it, every "pagan" I've ever met follows a fairly recently concocted hodgepodge of dozens of individual, mutually contradictory bits of pre-Christian religions, along with a healthy dose of made-up nonsense. "Wicca" dates back to the 1920s, at best.
So yeah, I look down on it.
Does it make much difference if something was completely made-up out of thin air 50 or 100 years ago, or thousands of years ago?
The libertarian solution to the failures of capitalism is to apply more capitalism til the failures are fixed.
Some people seem to think that if you do it for evolution instead of religion, you are more sane and acceptable.
Fuckin' A right, Mister! All those wars in the name of evolution, all that slaughter in the name of natural selection, that was for progress! I'm killin' this cross-wearer for Darwin, gene-damnit!
After that, I'm going to have a little holy feast in the name of physics.
Then I'm going to start the astronomy crusades! ay-ay-ay-ay-ay-ay! (That's my war cry. Scary, isn't it? It's scientifically calculated to incite fear in the brain of the anti-knowledge heathen.)
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I semi agree to most of what you said. I know a few Wiccans that are serious about their religion. What you describe is more the fluff bunny aspect, which admittidly, alot of Wiccnas are. I couldn't stand Wiccans for a long time because of that attitude and all the ones I had met were like that. Attention garning idiots. Then I actually met some that were serious about it. They didn't talk about it, groan in disgust at any mention of the Burning Times, don't wear tons of silver jewelry (if any at all), and didn't even let me know that they were pagan untill I called them out on it. As to the Asatru, you are correct, we don't.