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Jeff Minter on Sony's Arrogance
Regular Edge columnist Jeff Minter has lashed out at Sony over what he perceives as incredible arrogance on the console-maker's part. From the BBC article: "Mr Minter, writing in his regular column for Edge, said: 'They seem absolutely certain that even when they say it's going to be considerably more expensive than existing consoles... nevertheless us eager customers will rush out in droves to buy it because it's, hey, a new PlayStation.'"
Well, ofcourse we will rush right out. Even if several people are saying "Wii" or "360" because of the price, there are still millions saying "PS3! PS3!"
And of the argument of "it costs $600 and only plays games": How many people spend $1,500 or more on a gaming rig? Sure, it does other things than just games. But if a person spends $600 on a PS3, they have have $900 to buy a computer to do those "other things".
Sorry, I'd rather pay for reality, in the form of real hardware, real games, and real fun.
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PS and PS2 absolutely dominated their generation (yes I'm aware Nintendo may have made more money). PS3 strikes me as too expensive but then I'm not the average gamer so it's not up to me to decide if Sony's strategy is sound. If their strategy is right, then who are we to tell them not to do it? And if it's wrong, it's not my problem either.
I know a guy who's going to buy a PS3 just because the next Ace Combat game will require it.
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I know personally I will never buy another Sony product, it seems as if this company has completely lost touch with reality. Its like they have a corporate mentality that they are a government and we live by thier rules vs. our dollars determine thier fate. At least the White House/neo con republican movement trys to put a positive spin on bad policy for the people, Sony is just clueless. Next they are just going to put out one sentence press releases:
PS3, suck it down bitches!!
Viao, suck it down bitches!!!
Rootkit, suck it down and bend over bitches!!!
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HEY!!, I'm the new VP of Sony Public Relations!!! (suck it down bitches)
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PS3 will either change the entire landscape of consoles forever, or it will bomb. I don't think there is any way around it. If it succeeds, all the other companies will jump on the bandwagon.
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The real question I see is, can Sony make money even if they sell 20 million units? Sure, a lot of people choke on the $600 price tag but most analysts figure it still doesn't cover the manufacturing costs. They seem to be willing to take a loss on the PS3 to try to win the HD format war. But if that bet doesn't pay off they could be stuck with a loss leader that doesn't lead anywhere.
Bite the hand.
Mighty respect to the Yak, n'all, and Sony are certainly a bunch of pisstakers, but Jeff did write the light synth that was bundled with the Xbox360 so he might not be a completely fair and unbiased observer here.
You might want to bear that small fact in mind...
I see this generation as pure arrogance. I thought the $400 price of a 360 stupid. But asking either $500 or $600 for a console is just insane. They aren't even offering anything great. The videos I've seen of the PS3 games look like 360 games. The interface is basically the same as the analog controller introduced during the PS1 life-cycle. They have basically NOTHING to justify the cost in my eyes. Those have no large line-up of killer games. Heck, I've yet to see a game that really makes me take notice. Some (Assassin's Creed) seem interesting, but many of those (like it seems Assassin's Creed) won't be exclusive.
I bought a PS2 on launch due to "good will" with Sony. I knew they would come through. They did... but it took a long time. My PS2 has probably seen more use as a DVD player than a PS2 (thanks, mostly, to Netflix and TV show DVDs).
I bought a PSP on launch due to "good will" but I now regret that. There have been basically 3 games for it that I found that I like. Burnout (beat it, tired of it), Hot Shots (beat it, tired of it), and Lumines (I've spent so many hours on it, I'm tired of it). At this point in the console's life, I expected to have liked more than 3 games. And you know what's coming up that I'm looking forward to? Lumines 2, and that's just "more of the same" so I probably won't even get it. What a waste of my money. The DS was slow to start but after about 6 months it took off flying with great games.
They lost all their gaming good will. They would have a half-decent chance at $300. At $400 getting me to buy one would be a real stretch. At $500 it is a wait and see approach. At their $600 price, it's a wait and see what hits the used market 2 years later to see if it would be near my price point.
So far, only Nintendo has announced games that I consider "must haves". It's it so odd that that keeps happening every generation? The PS2 had some, the XBox had one or two (Jet Grind Radio Future and Shenmue II). The 360 and PS3 are currently lacking such titles. I have a list of about 6 for the Wii.
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The combination of late to market, higher price, and harder to develop for is a killer combo.
Well, no, I'll be buying it to play the games.
What amazes me is that an expensive console is nothing new. The Playstation was almost twice the cost of the next dearest console. The Playstation 2 was also the most expensive console from that generation. I bought both of them. Approximatedly 100 million people bought the damn things. Obviously cost isn't that important an issue.
So what is the important issue? The games, of course. There are games on the PS3 that won't exist on other consoles. I'll be buying the console to play the games. I don't buy it because it's "new". In fact, I'm most likely to wait for the first price drop because there will be too few compelling launch titles.
And what's this about price?
I don't care! That's not an issue. It might have been an issue back when I was a teenager and had to beg my parents for money, but I have a job now and I can afford to buy things. The cost of a PS3 pales in comparison to the cost of running my car. My "video game habit" is still an order of magnitude cheaper than the booze and cigarette habit that infects 99% of the population.
These "analysts" need to realise that the video game demographic has grown up. The age group is no longer 5-15 years old, begging our parents to buy a Sega Master System for Christmas. The dominant demographic is 25-35 years old with gobs of cash. The price sticker on a PS3 doesn't bother us in the slightest.
> Mr Minter, writing in his regular column for Edge,
That's it for Edge, then!
Perhaps we can agree that Sony's arrogance is deserved. They have demolished every competitor in the home console (not handheld) market in terms of installed units for as long as they have been in that market. I've always been happier as an owner of Nintendo and Sega consoles (because of their respective first-party efforts), but I've also been very satisfied with my PS and PS2 thanks to the third-parties.
However, I think they're not just being pricks for no reason at all. I have to believe that every statement that they've made has been planned to give off the air of invulnerability. They are trying to stop Microsoft's perceived forward momentum and push their own way forward with a bluff. That bluff is that PS3 is going to win the next generation, so you better prepare to shell out for it now. Of course, the fallacy is obvious. But unfortunately, a sizable number of PS3 buyers is going to buy into that idea and will therefore contribute to the self-fulfillment of this prophecy.
Sony can't (and don't want to) play the value card, so they have to play the power and functionality cards, as they did with PSP. Here, they see that Nintendo is right: The industry has hit the point of diminishing returns as far as graphics is concerned. However, they don't learn the same lesson Nintendo does (that graphics can take a back seat for a while). Instead, they decide to tank onward, beating the 360's specs at whatever price. Simply, in order to distinguish themselves from the competition, they need to look better and be able to do more. And since Sony's projets du jour are 1080p, BluRay, and convergence, they are throwing it all in the mix. In Sony's mind, if they reach anywhere close to the market penetration of the PS or PS2 with the PS3, they will basically have won BluRay customers (in the home as well as on the content production side). That's why they are willing to bet on tying it all into one box, at high cost.
It's all a gamble for Sony. But I think Sony has been pulling the strings on many more of the variables than people realize. There is simply no other explanation for all the controversy that has been part of Sony's M.O. during the run up to the PSP and the PS3. They better hope that it works better for them with the latter than it did for the former. It would be interesting to see how well any their behind-the-scenes orchestration worked a couple of years into the next hardware generation.
Sony has way more up it's sleeve than any article I've seen recently about the impending demise of Sony has taken into consideration.
PS3 + PSP means so much more.... multiplayer gaming with the TV giving a birds eye view, and each players first person perspective on thier PSP. or using your PSP as a universal remote control. Being able to get your media collection streamed to your PSP (I do this now with TVersity(or try PSPITunes), but it's a pain to browse, subscribe to rss, close browser, open rss, listen to music....) Using your PS3 as a DVR and watching from a WiFi hot spot somewhere else.
Look at some of the other goodies coming like VOIP for PSP, GPS sensor, and a camera for games and Video calls. I just hope they get a Camera/GPS unit in one for GPS tagged video's and pictures. How about 7000 PS1 games available for download to your PSP by the end of next year? I'd bet you could get those on your PS3 if you wanted to but haven't heard anything to that effect (or use the PS3 to store your PSP downloads until you need them. How about those PDA Apps on your PSP? PSP in education as a learning tool for trades or a portable tech manual for mobile workers.
Sony has all this potential with this hardware, and they are in a good position to make money from additional services like movie or music or game download services and such.
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I'm sure that if Microsoft set the 360 at $600 for its initial price for "Premium" that it would've sold out too. Sony's just smarter than Microsoft because they've finally learned this, and once sales start to slow down at $600, it'll drop to $500, then $400, then probably $350, then $350+games, &c.
And not to beat the bush, but Microsoft hasn't announced their price for their HD-DVD addon yet, and if that costs ~$100, then it's a moot argument (And sorry for ignoring you UK people, I know you're getting slammed)
I know, Sony has previously claimed that the ps2 would be a computer, but didn't bother. However, they had to pay the taxes anyway. I think they have more incentive as such to make it a general purpose computer. And if they don't, start a class action law suit to open the hardware, as it was bought on the condition that it would be a general purpose computer.
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It's just Zonk that's the problem here. As usual. Sigh...
everyone is calling sony arrogant, i guess because they are the market leader. but nintendo is saying this playing is believing stuff and being very confident that it doesn't matter that the machine isn't as powerful it will be more fun than the others. that sounds rather arrogant but all depends on your perspective.
Slashdot's games section has gotten to the point that makes me thankful I can buy my games online.* I'd hate to be at a store populated by people hovering near the PS3 case shouting "WRONG!" at everyone who even considers buying a console of which they disapprove.
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"I like playing old games and not having to buy them again."
I assume this is in refrence to backward compatiablity. I have to ask, what is making you throw out your old hardware?
The PS2 had market share and lots of games, but I would argue that the GameCube had better, and more reliable, hardware. How many people are on their second or third PS2? The Xbox has also had its share of hardware problems. I'd like to see the optical drives replaced with flash cards, like on the Nintendo DS, if flash ever gets cheap enough.
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Nothing. From what I understand, XBox 360 doesn't natively play old games. Neither does the Nintendo "Wheee" or whatever it's called. I don't throw out my old consoles, but I don't want to have 3 of them plugged in, either.
The Wii will play all GCN games, natively. And then there is the Virtual console.
> I have to ask, what is making you throw out your old hardware?
Lack of space?
Finite number of inputs into my TV?
How many Units do you think an average store will stock?
Every Wal*Mart, every Target, every Sears, every Fred Meyer, every EB-Games...
If I were in charge of electronics inventory for a major chain, I'd have to think long and hard... If they don't sell, will Sony reimburse? Should each store stock 10 Wii's 10 360's and 10 PS3's?, or 30 Wii's, 10 360's and 5 PS 3's?
Which would make the store more profit? 30 Wii's plus 1-3 games each, or 10 PS3's with 0-2 game each? (If it comes with Linux, many will not be used for retail games)
How many pre-orders will end up not being redeemed, because the customer can't afford it?
Spending $600 for a game console is one thing, but if you're the guy who bought $60,000,000 worth for your company, and only 50% of them sell, who's gonna get blamed for the lost $30,000,000?
But then, if you stock too few, and the competition gets all the sales profit...
What do you expect him to say. He fell in love with per-pixel-power and worships the almighty 360 now. I guess it doesn't hurt that he's on Microsoft's payroll. Jeff Minter a 'softie?? Say it ain't so, Yak, say it ain't so.
Switch PS3 for Mac Mini, and Sony for Apple, and you just figured out Apple's marketing stradgedy.
Apple knows that people will pay more for a Macintosh than a PC. If the Mac Mini costs $600 and the generic PC clone costs $300, Apple knows that millions of people will buy a Mac Mini anyway despite it being twice the price of the low-end PC. The low-end PC being one without a monitor, keyboard, and mouse like the low end Mac the Mac Mini.
Apple also knows that people will buy a $5000 Macintosh system with all the features and software for video editing, even if that low-end PC with lower quality hardware can also edit video with an el-cheapo video capture card for less than $1000.
I guess Sony is trying to say, like Apple does, that its products have a superior quality to them, and are easier to use, and thus worth the extra money to buy them. Sony seems to think that the Blu-Ray technology alone is worth the $600 price of a PS3, because every movie that Sony's Movie division releases to home video will be on the Blu-Ray DVD format and not be able to be played on HD-DVD and standard DVD players.
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Sony knows that many millions of parents will buy PS3s because buying a video games console for the kids at Christmas is just what you do nowadays. Just today I saw posters up in a toy shop saying 'guarantee yourself a PS3 in November, just £50 deposit!' The Wii was £25 deposit. Parents will think, hmm, £50 isn't too bad.
I mean, anyone remember the Tomy Barcode Battler? My aunt bought me one simply because it was a gaming system (definitely not a video game, although it had been reduced down to like £10 by one of the local department stores that never learns, every so often the toy department has a big stack of something going at less than half price, although I think they sensibly didn't get too much stock of Philips CD-is or Amiga CD-32s).
MS has repeatedly promised that they won't stop the backwards compatibility program until every single Xbox game runs on the Xbox 360. Right now, they're maybe a third of the way there...
What I don't get is why does it matter whether the 360 is playing the old games "natively" at all? They look and behave identically to the same game on the Xbox, whether or not it's emulated.
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Actually I have been thinking for some time about hacking the PSP to use as a dedicated remote (no game use).
The PSP has straight-up wireless so it would be easier to tie into a home network (correct me if I am wrong but the DS wireless is not quite standard, not to mention the hacking scene there does not seem as big).
One thing a PSP would give you is "Picture out of Picture" - you could stream one video feed while another was playing on the primary screen, perhaps warn you when it detected commercials were over. I think it could do a lot more interesting and useful things than a standard remote. I have no idea if Sony is actually planning to do any of those things but it does not mean it's not a potentially good deivce as a remote.
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Don't forget everyone, when you see an anti-Sony article use that "zonked" tag! It will be an impressive site come November when you search and see how anti-Sony Slashdot has become.
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There is at least 1 Anti-Sony article a day on digg. PS3 is an expensive turd and we don't need anymore PS3 fanboys on Digg. We mod them down to -43 for being retarded.
A cheap shelving unit would solve that problem. I got a nice metal shelving unit (similar to this but with only three shelves) a while back that looks good and holds quite a bit of stuff. Plus, it's completely open so I don't have to worry about heating issues like with a fully enclosed "media center" rack (I never understood why you'd put hot, sensitive electronics in a fully enclosed rack).
Get a mux. My current personal favorite is the AA1154 component switch. If you don't need component, you can get switches for composite/s-video or even DVI (and thus HDMI, since the two convert back and forth easily). Granted, the Audio Authority switches are expensive, but there are many PRODUCTS&cm_ite=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=4">other options out there depending on the feature you want and the price you're willing to pay.
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Two life long demographics I know of have already turned their backs on the company thanks Nintendo's betrayal and Mario and his uncontrollable flatulance (Mario golf, Mario tennis, Mario does
In the purchasing contracts, many retailers require that they can get their money back from the manufacturer if the product doesn't sell.
Nobody cares? Believe me, if nobody cared, there'd be no pageviews on the ads on these stories, and they would stop posting them. But no, what we actually have is plenty of clicks, and plenty of discussion, so I guess some people do care.
I do love a good 'FUCK YOU I HATE THIS BULLSHIT WEBSITE I'M GOING TO DIGG NOW' farewell post, though.
Let me guess. you don't have a wife or live-in girlfriend... even a hardcore geek chick wouldn't put up with that.
Random blogger my ass, motherfucker. Jeff Minter forgot more about game design and software engineering than you'll ever know.
Don't be silly. Consoles at launch sell very well. They often sell out. I doubt there's a Walmart in America that couldn't sell 10 PS3s in the first 10 days.
That doesn't mean it's not priced idiotically high for the non-fanboy, it just means there's a million fanboys out there.
UK video gaming stalwart Jeff Minter has criticised Sony for being "smug" about its PlayStation 3 console. Smug? Right now, Sony have more smug than a batallion of Priuses, driven by OS X users, all playing iPods and using Netwons!
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Oh man, you're so tough. I wish I could be tough like you. Can I be tough like you? Maybe when you grow up, I can be tough like you.
The PS2 had Firewire ports. Think of the potential for fast external storage, connectivity to video cameras... and they never delivered on any of it.
The PS2 had USB. Think of the potential for hooking up a mouse and keyboard, or even a trackball and a graphics tablet, and playing strategy and adventure games that needed something other than a joystick for input. I had a keyboard plugged into my PS2, but the only thing I ever saw use it was Action Replay for entering game cheat codes.
The PS2 had a slot for a hard drive. They never delivered on that either, it was up to Squaresoft to bundle hard drives with the one game that actually used it. And then Sony stabbed them in the back by redesigning the PS2 to not have hard drive capabilities.
The same crap about streaming media was spouted as a reason to buy the PS2. Yet Sony failed to deliver on that promise too, and it was left to third parties to actually implement streaming MP3 client software and MPEG-4 movie players. Sony could be selling movies via the Internet to watch on your hard-drive-equipped PS2 today if they had wanted to.
Look back to the original PlayStation. They released a mouse and keyboard for that. It was used by perhaps a handful of games, then discontinued.
Look at Yaroze on PSOne and Linux on PS2. Amazing potential for opening up the market to independent game makers and hobbyists. And again, a total failure to deliver, leaving us with a games market where nobody will fund anything unless it's a $10m+ FPS.
The only actual delivering on potential we've seen has been EyeToy, and that's a gimmick; they haven't even shipped EyeToy Chat in the US yet.
I love my PS2, it's my main console, especially now Nintendo and third parties have pretty much given up on GameCube. But you'd have to be an idiot to buy a PS3 based on what it might potentially do. It's the same story every generation--they overspec the hardware, and fail to use most of the capabilities they built into it. And then they come out with a second generation console that eliminates the stuff they aren't using.
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This is an article for Sony trolls. There'll be an Apple troll article along in a few minutes.
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I do love a good 'FUCK YOU I HATE THIS BULLSHIT WEBSITE I'M GOING TO DIGG NOW' farewell post, though.
Heh. Don't let the ad words hit you on the ass on your way out!
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
The Wii has already demonstrated titles and thier controllers that has sparked the imagination of many a gamer. Not because they are the bigest fastest games on earth, but they seem like they'll be hella fun and refreshingly different. (some of those controller demo games look like they'd really appeal to the Hello Kitty camp)
Microsoft has the benefit of a next-gen head start and now has a library and a year of debugging er... I mean.. 'sales' under thier belt to make themselves a solid contender.
PS3 from what I have seen had a me-too showing at E3 with technology that may potentially be more powerful but not yet realized nor features really eagerly awaited by the market (yeah, like we really want a way more expensive DRM laden drive that has no real killer app besides largely unnecessay capacity and potential higher video resolution.)
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I got through that whole thing without anyone pointing out how arrogant Sony was at thinking it could get away with rootkitting millions of PCs.
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Uh, what? Even a hardcore geek chick wouldn't put up with a shelving unit and a component switch? Am I missing something, here?
On the other hand, most wives and girlfriends aren't too friendly to video gaming in general, and would rather spend the $600 for a PS3 on shoes or handbags instead. However, if WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) is and issue, you have options. First, make sure that whatever shelving unit or entertainment center you buy meets her approval. You need to put your components somewhere, the only question is whether the wife/gf thinks it fits the decor. So take her shopping with you.
Second, a good switch (like all of the AA ones I linked) will auto-select the source, and be 99.9% correct (ie, correct enough that the wife won't bitch). My setup is so simple that a single button press will turn on everything necessary (without some fancy programmable universal remote) for "normal" usage (TV, receiver, cable box). From the same remote, you can then change channels and watch what you want. It gets a little more complicated with the other components (oh nos! I have to push a power button on consoles that don't work remotely!), but since the wife/gf isn't dealing with that, they never need to know. And so long as you turn off your console when done, the mux will switch back to the appropriate input.
So, while you're correct that I'm living the bahelor life, if you can't get your wife/gf to approve of a few switches and a rack then you're not trying hard enough. Of course, you won't even get to that argument when you try to explain to her that you need to be able to play your NES/Genesis/SNES/PS1/N64/Dreamcast/PS2/GC/Xbox/360 /Wii/PS3 all on the same TV.
Women around here a just happy to find someone who's going to be nice to their kids.
Most of the men don't want someone else's kids or are too busy to care.
The same final solution that destroyed black families (who use to be on par with whites) is public policy for the rest of us (suppose to have something to do with destroying the patriach or something like that). It seems that "a womans' desire is for her husband" has yet to be broken (would be nice though, a lot of that bitterness would probably go away).
Anyways, enjoy life. Jerk-off a lot and if you find the right girl, stay with her. Live to satisfy yourself and be a little apathetic to the increasing levels of female suicides (you can't talk to them and cannot reach them anyways) because it's a tar baby without hope. There's a whole universe out there.
Pity social engineers cannot be held accountable.
Pity social engineers cannot be held accountable.
Lets not forget it's Jeff "Konix-Jaguar-Nuon" Minter, here, and someone who's currently living in Microsoft's jock strap.
It's also funny to hear from his sheep/lemmings, that he's still in the "Industry", when I thought the definition of being in the "Industry", was (at the very least) to realse SOMETHING, within the last 10 years.
If it ain't pretty splodges of purple and pink, that make his sheep go "Oohh that looks ace", even though the idiots haven't a clue what they're even looking at, it's "Jeff must release all his 25-year-old C64 crap, on XBLive".
Don't you have ANYTHING original, Jeff ? That doesn't rely on bloody lights, and moving bits of purple/green/and pink. Or rely on nicking ideas from the 80's arcades ? Or rely on Peter Molyneux's money to work on that Unity flop, lol.
Funny how, when you were working on Unity, you had everything negative to say about Microsoft.
Now to the Arrogance. what about Nintendo ?
I mean, comeon, FFS, the word Wii, is Japanese word, with a Japanese meaning, ONLY. And Nintendo couldn't care less what it means, or offends, OUTSIDE of Japan. Even if it upsets all their Fanbase, they couldn't care less.
The GBA, was released WITHOUT a backlit screen because Nintendo said you didn't need it. Yet, it took the Afterburner, and countless backlashes against them, to get the arrogant sods to finally release the SP WITH a backlight.
Now we have the GBA micro, and we're all supposed to ditch our GBAs/SPs, and get the very same hardware, only in minature.
The DS, has nothing but their own back catalogue from the last 20 years. "Lets just add a bit of colour and dicky-doo to Super Mario Bros AGAIN, and flog it off for £30". Hell, the thing even launched with a poorer version of Mario64 from 1994.
Can't they just leave the past behind, for a while, and NOT release Mario in every game they can think of ? I bet their marketing dept, right now, are thinking of games for Wii/DS, that they haven't put bloody Mario in.
I bet the Wii, will have every game that they've released on NES/SNES/N64/GC, only now, the fanboys will blab on about the controller, and how it's the second coming of some deity. Hell, doesn't this thing run all their own back catalogue, anyway ? Is THAT their selling point ?
Microsoft, What HAVE they done with all their time, that they've had upto now ?
Surely, it can't look good for them if they can't sell the thing, before any of the others even had a working prototype ?
Where's the killer app ?
They keep saying that they're going to crack Japan, yet the Japanese cannot stand American Consoles, and Microsoft just cannot see that. I wouldn' be surprised is Xbox360 is being outsold by PSOne.
And as for the games, well, Microsoft just buys the companies. Hardly inpsiring, and not exactly great for the Industry, as a whole. The way it's going, theres not going to be many independant games developers, left. Although, EA, are just as bad.
I know I now sound like a Sony fanboy, but hey, Sony ARE No.1, and unless the others actually get off their fat arses and do something about it, Sony will remain No.1. Publishing stupid Anti-Sony articles, is just going to make you look very silly, come the PS3 launch, and it's inevitable success.
Despite what you think of Sony, just remember it's all in the games, NOT necessarily the hardware and the company. The PSOne, and the PS2, both had some amazing games. And most of them, were exclusive.
Why is this modded insightful? It's a god damn [b]news[/b] site. Sorry it doesn't pertain to your particular interests for one fracking news post. Posting an article that some people may read is perfectly acceptable. No need to get your damned knickers in a knot.
I used to have a half-dozen consoles on a small shelf unit next to my TV. The shelves were from Ikea, though a different line. Then I moved a couple times.
I found it easier to just sell the damn things, in the long run, They took up space, the cables were an eyesore no matter what I did, I got tired of swapping the inputs on my switcher... and I realized I was tired of most of the games I had, with little desire to get new ones.
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Digg isn't any better(it's actually worse on the Wii/PS3 front, there's a few "neutral" articles but the general feeling in the comments section is even more rabidly anti-sony). And it only does one level of nesting.
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For a second there I thought Zonk actually posted another anti PS3, non news story. My mistake Zonk, I realize now that you are actually a credible source of news. How's Billy treating you, anyway?
> Now to the Arrogance. what about Nintendo ?
> I mean, comeon, FFS, the word Wii, is Japanese word, with a Japanese meaning, ONLY.
What version of Japanese do you speak, punk? Wii isn't a Japanese word. The phonetics to spell it don't even exist in the Japanese Alphabet. It's a made up word.
Before you drone on with your thousand word essay, might check your premise first. (punk!)
Speaking as an average gamer I have only one word in response to all this Sony-based hype: Daikatana
Er...
with the high school marching band?
I hope they come out to L.A.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
I think what we all want to know is:
Will there be a port of Llamatron for the PS3 ?
No, seriously?
I'm very curious about the PS3 because I remember paying $500 for the PS2 waaaaaaaay back when it came out. Back then I was quite entertained despite the spending guilt. The one aspect that really hurt was the games at $50+ each, which then became the norm. For the first year I was in the habit of buying one or two new games every month, but after I had 15-20 titles I started realizing what a costly investment this was. I ended up getting a modchip and just copying the lesser titles that didn't feel "worth" the sticker price. Mind you this was an early modchip that required significant futzing to get anything to boot, so I still bought big titles like FFX and such, just to avoid the hassle of booting a backup. Had there been a more transparent hack available back then, I might have entirely stopped buying games.
If Sony wants these things to be popular, they need to trim off the fat and make the whole process more affordable end-to-end. Cheaper production, cheaper distribution, cheaper sticker price. I won't mind paying big bucks for a console if the software is affordable, but right now Nintendo is the clear winner in terms of value. A $10-15 difference per title may seem negligible, but when you consider the volume of games I'm likely to buy over time, the savings aren't so trivial anymore. If I had saved $15 on each PS2 title I bought, I probably would have bought another ten games and been much happier with my PS2 overall, thus much more enthused to put down money for the PS3.
I mean seriously, $50 for Pac Man World 2 ? A game I could probably have made in a month or two of my own time with adequate middleware.. It doesn't always take a zillion dollars to make a friggin videogame, especially when such things have become almost as popular as movies and music, and even the movie studios manage to make a buck or two selling $10 tickets and $15 DVDs while shelling out tons of cash on advertising and paying their actors' coke habits and religions.
Give me PS3 games at $30-40 or less and I will happily fund Sony's belligerant executives with my hard earned money.
-Billco, Fnarg.com
Why does it bother you whether Slashdot is pro or anti Sony? Why do you believe it is important enough to spend your free time writing about?
That message took me about a second to write. I have a lot more free time than that. Really I'm being far more charitable with time responding to you.
In fact, why do you care so much that you bothered even responding to your message? Why is that motivation any more valid than my original message?
A dangerous business spending your own time claiming someone else is wasting theirs...
As for motive, I don't really care that much but I enjoy pointing out biases and I think it's pathetic when someone at a pretty high level of visibility uses that platform to try and "subtly" influence the opion of the masses.
If you put a bit of thought and self analysis into answering those questions, you might gain some valuable insights into your own personality.
Right back at you man.
But don't post about them. There is enough depressing shit on the Internet as it is.
Well then you should be encouraging my posts as that's just what I'm here to fix!
My posts are meant to bring reason and balance back into the system. You can think of me as something like the Architect, correcting system flaws where I find them. Slashdot console bias is but one small example.
By shaming Zonk into bringing more reasonable posts to bear in terms of gaming, a side effect is that we would see fewer negative stories and more positive ones. That would in fact lessen the general level of depressivity that you claim to be against - but are you really I wonder? That goes back to the self-analysis question you bring up; I am perfectly clear on why I post. Are you?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
$600 for the console...At least $1200 for a TV that actually takes advantage of the console. $30-$40 for each movie, $60-$80 for each game... The market doesn't have infinite cash, even if you seem to. So PS3 will not sell very many games for a long time.
And on the actual, you know, business side (you know, what the analysts are paid for), it's much more expensive to burn Blu-Rays than DVDs (X360's format of choice) and X360 owners will have more disposable cash by default.
The N64 was pretty much killed by the ps1 because cartridges are more expensive to make than CDs were to burn. So my money is on MS.
Imediatly after that comment...it say analysts say that all of the initial ps3s will be sold, yet when sony say that theyre arogant?
If everything's so fine, then what keeps you thinking and not hacking?
Or maybe, if you trust Sony so much, upgrade fw to 2.7, then try again. They may have added extra "functionality"
Oh, I forgot, newer firmware versions may further prevent any useful application from running...
No, that is not an issue for me because I would only use it as a remote and not for games - so I could downgrade the firmware and run 1.5.
However I agree with the general slant of what you are saying that it's rather annoying that Sony in fact keeps releasing firmware and hardware updates that break current ways to run homebrew on the system.
Neither do I, and, as a suggestion, don't hold your breath.
WHy not? Given that they want cool integration between the PSP and thier own device (the PS3) it's not so hard to imagine they would implment some of the features I am thinking of. I'm not expecting it exactly as it's pretty different than what is around today but they have good reason to include features like this that support thier own hardware.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley