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One Man's Spam Is Another Man's Art

mytrip writes "Most people see Viagra ads and Nigerian scams as simply more e-mail to delete. Alex Dragulescu sees art. For the last several years, the Romanian-born computer artist has applied techniques in computational modeling and information visualization to invent a new form of artistic expression. One of his more notable projects involved creating what he calls Spam Plants. He wrote algorithms that analyzed various text and data points of junk e-mail to produce "organic" images of plantlike structures that spontaneously grew based on incoming spam. "

117 comments

  1. Spam != Art by ArcherB · · Score: 2, Funny

    The only way to make Spam art involves carving canned ham!

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    1. Re:Spam != Art by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      The only way to make Spam art involves carving canned ham!

      Didn't RTFA, eh? The expression is mostly in creating the algorithms and analysing the relationships between subjects, headers and other bits.

      TFA also mentions taking the contents of Blogs and doing similar things. I wonder what this fellow could do with first posts from /.

      the 'in soviet russia' and 1. [do something] 2. ??? 3. profit!!!! works are stunning, but the 'imagine a beowulf cluster' piece does nothing for me and that 'but does it run linux?' work is totally unfathomable

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    2. Re:Spam != Art by tehwebguy · · Score: 4, Informative

      this guy admits that his drawings are not good, but i think it is funny stuff: http://www.spamusement.com/

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    3. Re:Spam != Art by ArcherB · · Score: 1

      Didn't RTFA, eh?
      I perused it. Looked at the pictures mostly. I got the idea. My comment was based on TFA's title as well as the slashdot title which, I admit, rarely has anything to do with TFA.

      You want a more OT post?
      The idea is interesting, but the art based on words won't work when a spammer sends a GIF image of the message. It may make for more complex images if the "artist" used something more "wordy" than just spam, such as a novel or slashdot article. Personally, I would rather see art based on various relationships such as the dynamic relationships found on myspace, for example, or some exceedingly complex database. But spam?

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    4. Re:Spam != Art by jdbartlett · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think his characters are very expressive. For cartoons, that's more important than straight lines or perspective.

      Funny, funny stuff, too.

  2. Sorry. by lottameez · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not worth viewing imo. I like viewing cool art. I don't know what this is. I would have expected the art to show some correlation between the spam messages and image.

    Just $.02

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    1. Re:Sorry. by MrSquirrel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      His program just analyzes the spam words and then makes pretty pictures from them. It's not like the spam message says "dog" so the program draws a dog... the word dog might make the program create a blue line for example, but nothing really dog-related. It's an interesting concept, especially how it "grows".

      Now if only it compiled the images as large bitmaps, distributed them globally through a shared system of thousands of computers, then bombarded the offending spammer's IP with lots of pretty pictures that he/she helped create.

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    2. Re:Sorry. by shreevatsa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There's much more correlation between the spam's (literal, not intended ;) text and the "art", at http://spamusement.com/. "Poorly-drawn cartoons inspired by actual spam subject lines!"

    3. Re:Sorry. by mrxak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's an interesting concept, but not particularly related to spam. Sure, the spam is the input, but the input could be anything. If you ask me, the guy did the art part of the project long before spam got involved with it.

    4. Re:Sorry. by Mr.+Essen · · Score: 5, Funny
      His program just analyzes the spam words and then makes pretty pictures from them. It's not like the spam message says "dog" so the program draws a dog... the word dog might make the program create a blue line for example, but nothing really dog-related.
      Well, I bet he didn't want to end up with too many penis plants.
    5. Re:Sorry. by gkhan1 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      But therein lies the artistic point, doesn't it? I hate to be too art-schooly (actually, I don't, I quite enjoy it), but there is obviously something much more behind what you say. These pictures are beautiful, but they can be just as beautiful if generated by other input, say for instance love-letters, the collected works of Shakespeare, or the Bill of Rights. But also spam. We think of spam as somehow less valuble, less good than these other things, but one could argue (and that is what I think the artist does with his art) that this is only because we choose to look at it from this perspective. The words themselves, when broken down to atomic form, has no intrinsic meaning (they are just a permutation of gplyphs drawn from a set of 25), they only provide an isomorphic mapping with some (very human) concepts. But the words themselves are just dots and curves and lines. If we remove this familiar mapping, and transform the words into shapes that have no meaning to us we see that this is only a construct of the human mind. Since (I assume) there is another isomorpic mapping between the words and the shapes (one input becomes only one shape, and a shape can come only from one specific input) there is no semantic difference (that is to say, there are no difference in meaning), only a difference in grammar (or form, more accuratly). Get it?

      A lot of people complain, indeed a number of them in this story (note: I'm not referring to the parent), that this kind of art, modern art, is stupid, simplistic, masturbatory and only for some bored richpeople who hasn't worked an honest day in their lives. Well, they are wrong, and if you say that you are an asshole. Fine, you don't get modern art, that's ok, you don't have to. But there are people that do care about this, and they care very deeply. They spend their whole lives pursuing art, and they do not deserve to be spat on by people who "don't get it". It's arrogant, it's mean-spirited, it's disrespectful and plain ignorant.

      Slashdotters don't appriciate it when people tell them they are wasting away their lives surfing the web, learning obscure programming languages, playing computer games, etc. So stop behaving like dicks to other people then!

    6. Re:Sorry. by billcopc · · Score: 1

      I think this "artist" should do like other shammy artists and get a goddamned job. I'm usually one to see beauty in ugly-ass technological creations.. hell I'll even admire code if it shows a curious attention to detail, but this stuff.. bleh! It looks like "cat /dev/urandom | povray"

      Actually I've come up with more inspiring images just smacking my head against the keyboard.

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    7. Re:Sorry. by mrxak · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying there's no artistic merit to this, quite the opposite. I'm just saying that the artistic part was in the programming, not the input. It doesn't matter in the slightest that he used spam for that input, just as it doesn't matter what brand of paint somebody uses when they paint a picture of a tree. It's the technique by which you use your materials that makes it art, not the materials.

      The point is, I disagree with the title of the story. It's not "One Man's Spam Is Another Man's Art". The spam isn't the art, no more than a can full of paint is art.

    8. Re:Sorry. by gkhan1 · · Score: 1

      I wasn't actually referring to you (ie. the little note in the parenthesis), I was referring to the other people on this story that has made some rather bad comments. I apologise if you took offence, I meant none to you.

      Anyway, you have a point, the title is misleading. It should be "Making art out of spam" or something like it.

    9. Re:Sorry. by mrxak · · Score: 1

      One thing I don't do is take offense on the internets. No point in getting worked up over tubes full of text. I just wanted to clear up some of my earlier statements.

  3. Hmm, guess the spam by phorm · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm guessing that this generated image was a result of enlargment/viagara ads.

    All-in-all, the plants look cooler than the other ads, but I think a video showing the plant 'growing' with spam would be more interesting than the stills

    1. Re:Hmm, guess the spam by DRAGONWEEZEL · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You didn't rtfa did ya?

      The size of the message might determine how bushy the plant is. Certain keywords, such as "Nigerian," might trigger more branches. But Dragulescu did not inject any irony. Messages about Viagra do not grow taller, for example.

      He didn't want to grow hairy palm trees

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    2. Re:Hmm, guess the spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if the plants grows larger with each Viagra spam?

    3. Re:Hmm, guess the spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to the article, the answer is no.

  4. Uh... yeah. by Recovering+Hater · · Score: 1

    One mans garbage is another mans trash allright.

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    1. Re:Uh... yeah. by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      Proud to say that's been my sig for a month or two now.

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  5. So there's a by Grand+Facade · · Score: 1

    Viagra branch, Rolex Branch, stock tip branch, home loan branch, cheap meds branch, ad nausium

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  6. Can't wait by partenon · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is AWESOME. I just can't wait for cars that are moved by spam.

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    1. Re:Can't wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      kind of like the spacecraft powered by bad news?

    2. Re:Can't wait by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      You couldn't handle the pressure of all those G-forces.

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  7. No, this is not art by pieterh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Art is, at the very least, the use of skill and imagination in the creation of objects.

    When one writes a program that produces pictures, the software may itself be art, but the pictures it produces are not.

    I'd go further and say that 'good art' also requires the input of emotion, and the stronger the emotion, and the more the viewer feels this emotion, the better the art in many cases. We engineers also produce objects with skill and imagination, but we are not artists.

    1. Re:No, this is not art by DRAGONWEEZEL · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Many people consider Fractals to be art.

      Math is a program

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    2. Re:No, this is not art by rickett81 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I wish the article had gone into a little more detail about how it was created.

      For a thesis project in undergrad, I did some work with chaos and the mandelbrot and julia sets. These numbers really do produce some beautiful pictures. But the pictures that were produced was not the art, but the math and code that drove them.

      With nothing else to show, it looks like he got some computer generated building blocks and glued them together.

    3. Re:No, this is not art by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Art is, at the very least, the use of skill and imagination in the creation of objects. When one writes a program that produces pictures, the software may itself be art, but the pictures it produces are not.

      In his book Musiques formelles, the composer Iannis Xenakis defined music as the operation of group theory concepts on sound. This is the only definition wide enough to encompass all that has ever been called music. Xenakis himself derived most of his works from certain automated processes, whether probabilities in "Eonta" or the Fibonacci sequence in "Metastasis", for example. Xenakis was able to show a long historical lineage for his aesthetic, going all the way back to the Pythagoreans at the earliest. Though it stood in contrast to certain subsequently ascendent musical styles, it was hardly a modern concept. And it certainly still involved skill and imagination, since the composer still had to grapple with orchestration, had to assign mathematical values to a certain range of pitches, etc.

      With regards to the visual arts, couldn't we simply adapt Xenakis' definition to say that it is the operation of group theory on images? And even when he uses certain information as the basis of a work, the artist still has to decide many things about it on his own. Skill and imagination don't ever disappear completely.

    4. Re:No, this is not art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      okay, but suppose he had not used a computer program to produce the pictures. would the non-computer generated images be considered art?

    5. Re:No, this is not art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that art was the use of skill and imagination in creating a new way of looking at the world and what's in it.

      By that definition, a system that takes natural (more or less) phenomena as input and presents it in a novel way would definitely be art.

      Think of it as using spam like Calder used the wind. That's why it would be even better if it moved in real time. Oh well...looks like I have a project for this weekend!

      Full disclosure - I haven't RTFA, and it sounds like the pictures are butt ugly and boring. But that doesn't mean they're not art - they're just annoying art.

    6. Re:No, this is not art by Phreakiture · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I disagree.

      Britannica Online defines art as "the use of skill and imagination in the creation of aesthetic objects, environments, or experiences that can be shared with others"

      That being the case, the skill of the artist's programming and selection of input for the program (by choosing spam instead of, say, joke forwards or urban legend forwards) has resulted in the creation of an aesthetic, though virtual, object.

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    7. Re:No, this is not art by d_54321 · · Score: 1

      Art is, at the very least, the use of skill and imagination in the creation of objects.[...]When one writes a program that produces pictures, the software may itself be art, but the pictures it produces are not.

      Why is that? Why can't both the program and its output be seen as the result of a use of skill and imagination?

    8. Re:No, this is not art by happyfrogcow · · Score: 1

      Yeah, right. So all the images ever created with POV-Ray's scripting language are not art, however images rendered with POV-Ray but composed with a mesh modeler are?

      Or are you just saying anything generated by a computer regardless of what amount of human input went in to it is not art?

      Does that mean A Bugs Life is not art?

    9. Re:No, this is not art by fireboy1919 · · Score: 1

      By that logic, if someone teaches me a neat way to make pots and then I make them exactly like he says, then I am art, but the pots I create are not. That seems a little off. I don't think that I agree with that at all (and make no mistake - this is a subjective thing because we're talking about the subjective, semantic question, "what is art?").

      I don't think that imagination is a prerequisite for art - just creation.

      I'm going to have to disagree about emotion being the necessary prereq for good art. Technical proficiency is also a wonderful thing in art. Seeing a photorealistic painting is absolutely aweing without necessarily evoking any kind of emotion. Further, the artist doesn't necessarily have to put emotion into it to evoke emotional responses. He merely needs to know what it takes to evoke emotional reponses. The roof of the sistine chapel is quite moving, but I bet that most of Michelangelo's days were spent bored out of his mind at having to do all the drudge work of painting something that big.

      Admittadly, the simplest way to evoke an emotional reponse is to have one and put it into the art, but an experienced artist will learn what it is that they put into their art when they're emoting to it, and learn to do the same even when they're not.

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    10. Re:No, this is not art by jpardey · · Score: 1

      Evolution is also a program, in a manner of speaking.
      Assuming life evolved and was not created as such, is a tree art, or is it just beautiful to us humans?

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    11. Re:No, this is not art by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1
      When one writes a program that produces pictures, the software may itself be art, but the pictures it produces are not.
      So, Rembrandt's expertise and brushtrokes were art, but his paintings are not?

      'd go further and say that 'good art' also requires the input of emotion, and the stronger the emotion, and the more the viewer feels this emotion, the better the art in many cases.
      Not all art is intended to evoke emotion. Some is meant to provoke thought. Some is meant to just be aesthetically pleasing.

      I'll just say that 'good art' can't be categorized. What is good is completely in the purview of the audience. Sure, a lot of people happen to agree about some pieces, but you simply can't apply an engineer's way of thought to art.
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    12. Re:No, this is not art by John+Nowak · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Oh for fucks sake, shut the fuck up. I can't believe people are still bringing out this stupid fucking definition nowadays. You haven't a fucking clue what you're talking about.

      And yes, that's about the level of reasoning my argument should contain, because that's about the level of reasoning you're putting into it.

      It's art if someone says it is! Drop this absolutist crap already.

    13. Re:No, this is not art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Seeing a photorealistic painting is absolutely aweing without necessarily evoking any kind of emotion."

      So when you feel awe you are not feeling an emotion?

    14. Re:No, this is not art by ShecoDu · · Score: 1

      If I showed the world a really nice painting or music score, would it be less artistic if they found it was generated with an algorithm?

    15. Re:No, this is not art by Proteus · · Score: 1
      I'd go further and say that 'good art' also requires the input of emotion, and the stronger the emotion, and the more the viewer feels this emotion, the better the art in many cases. We engineers also produce objects with skill and imagination, but we are not artists.

      I've known way too many engineers (and developers) to buy your argument. Most good engineers apply as much emotion -- and intuition -- to their work as they do skill and imagination. The end results are often things that have an incredible amount of artistic value.

      If you've never poured your emotion into a design, if you've never had an epiphany that resulted in an elegant solution to a problem, if you've never been in awe (an emotional response) at someone elses design, then I suppose you'd feel that engineering is never an art.

      To me, the definition of art is: something that can be expressed and shared, and that results (at least in part) from creative insipiration.

      The images created by the Spam Plants program are part of the artistic expression.
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    16. Re:No, this is not art by cprior · · Score: 0, Troll

      Hey, you elitist PhDs!

      I clicked into this thread from alterslash because I thought that (after the OPs lame start) a somehow interesting discussion on what art is commenced.

      But all I find is this short-sighted stuff! /.-crowd 2 teh rescue!

      [TM], of course ;)

    17. Re:No, this is not art by lahvak · · Score: 1

      When one writes a program that produces pictures, the software may itself be art, but the pictures it produces are not.

      This is little bit like saying "when one prepares pigments and canvas, cleans brushes and so on to produce a painting, the pigments and canvas and brushes are art, the painting isn't".

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    18. Re:No, this is not art by lahvak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I like to compare fractals to photography. A photographer takes a machine (camera) and uses his skill with the machine to take pictures of the real world. The pictures can be purely documentary (imagine technical documentation) or artistic, or anything in between.

      A "fractalist" (for lack of any better term) uses a machine (computer) and his skill with the machine and his knowledge of math to take "pictures" of a purely mathematical world. Again, the pictures can range from purely documentary shots for a math textbook to art.

      Of course, in both cases, the purely documentary shots can still be beautiful or interesting for a layman, and an artist can purposely explore this, therefore turning the documentary pictures into art.

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    19. Re:No, this is not art by Jester99 · · Score: 1

      Wow. That's a bold claim. It's also flawed logic.

      "I'd go further and say that 'good art' also requires the input of emotion, and the stronger the emotion, and the more the viewer feels this emotion, the better the art in many cases."

      You imply that emotional input on the part of the artist is directly linked to emotional feeling on behalf of a viewer. I don't see the connection. If I show you an image that I drew by hand, designed to evoke a feeling of pathos, you would therefore claim that this is art. But what if I set up a computer to randomly generate images, and it came out with the exact same picture as the one that I drew by hand? Would that not be art? If I just showed you the two pictures without letting you know where they came from, how would you know which was which, or "which was art"?

      Donald Judd's works are considered art. That having been said, I believe that the examples shown in this wikipedia article could be reduced to mathematical equations; I believe I could write a computer program that would generate lots of sculpture designs in this style. Would those not be art?

      We engineers also produce objects with skill and imagination, but we are not artists.

      As an engineer, I've certainly agonized over projects. Long hours, sleepless nights/weekends, and tireless work have certainly caused me to invest my emotions in these projects. You are correct, however, that I didn't particularly call those projects "art." But I did put emotion into it. Thus, "input of emotion => art" is flawed.

      Art and beauty are awfully subjective terms. I don't think your broad claims hold up.

      I might venture that an artist is trying to communicate something to you by words, performance, painting, sculpture, movement; in general, by creating something which conveys this communication. "Art" encompasses all things deliberately created, that communicate something to you. (So a natural formation of rock may be beautiful, but wouldn't necessarily be art. A well-maintained rock garden on the other hand, would be art.)

      I'd even go so far as to say that it doesn't necessarily have to communicate what the artist felt -- if the placement of objects on a table make you take notice of them in a certain way, that's art. Not all art must make you weep. If a man has written a program that outputs imagery, and that causes people to take notice of it and appreciate those images for what they are, I would call him an artist.

    20. Re:No, this is not art by gkhan1 · · Score: 1

      You, good sir, are completely wrong. First off, I refer you to an earlier post of mine where I explained in detail why this is not only art, but do a simple analysis of it. It is, most certainly, art.

      In general, your definition of art is very much to narrow. Let's take Duchamps Fountain for instance. This is one of the most famous works of art produced in the world, and it was infact voted the most influential work of art in the 20th century by 500 british art-experts. It's been discussed endlessly. You know what it is? It's a urinal. Literally, a normal urinal found in any public restroom. It's signed "R. Mutt". That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. He literally just unscrewed it, cleaned it up, signed it, and put it on a pedestal. Oh yeah, it's lying down. And that is the most influential piece of art in the 20th century. When it came out it sparked a massive controversy whether indeed this was art at all, some people using your definition saying that it was obviously not art, and some people said it obviously was. Today it is universally accepted as not only art, but high art. Can you guess why? I'll give you a hint: I've already said one of the (many) reasons three sentances ago.

      You need to drastically alter your definition and perception of art if you are ever to be able to go to a modern gallery.

    21. Re:No, this is not art by Eivind · · Score: 1
      By this definition;

      The Mona Lisa is not art. The skill and imagination employed in painting the picture may have been art, but the picture itself, the finished product, clearly is not.

      Unless you want to claim that the physical picture IS 'the use of skill and imagination in the creation of objects'

      Which is nonsense.

      Or perhaps you're claiming, if I hold a paintbrush and wiggle some muscles in such a way that a picture results, then it IS art. But if I hold a keyboard, and wiggle some muscles in such a way that a picture results, then it is NOT art.

      But that seems a rather peculiar definition....

  8. Random Art based on the not so Random? by Goblez · · Score: 3, Funny
    So this is a form of autogenerating content, but instead of being based on something random it's based on spam. So then it really depends all upon the mapping he uses.

    So the Importnat question is: what colors/styles do the porn map to? Because I'm betting you see a fair amount of 'art' generated directly from that.

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    1. Re:Random Art based on the not so Random? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was actually wondering what would happen if you feed random or real text instead of spam. Would be a nice try. Also it would be nice to know whether it is possible to see something from the visualizations, e.g. changes in the topic of the spam leading to a color change in the upper part of the spam or something like that.

      Is there more detailed information available on how this works?

    2. Re:Random Art based on the not so Random? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Porn does produce random seed, but you need to clean it up after.

  9. Finally. by AltGrendel · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Someone found something useful about spam.

    I admit that it wasn't much, but it's still art that found spam useful.

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    1. Re:Finally. by jpardey · · Score: 1

      According to broken windows economic theory (I think) it is a great boon to the economy, as spam filter makers suddenly realized there was a reason for their existance, and could make money off of being spam filter makers. I sort of have to wonder what those poor guys did before spam.
      So spam is useful.

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  10. filtering? by yapplejax · · Score: 2, Funny

    The drawings take on certain characteristics based on the spam - I'd be curious if this could be used in future spam filtering. You could get your daily filtering reports in pretty pictures instead of bar graphs!

  11. Sooo... by ZSpade · · Score: 1

    That's not the only thing you can make grow with Viagra now.
    I'll take three boxes... for my, uh, garden...

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  12. Interesting by ackthpt · · Score: 1

    Image 2 looks pretty cool, a cross between hens-and-chicks and ice plant or maybe an anemone

    Image 1 looks like something those m3dz are supposed to do for the below average male.

    Image 6 reminds me of something I pulled out of the liver of a lake perch (wonder how that thing lived, make sure you cook fish thoroughly!)

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    1. Re:Interesting by CompSciStud4U · · Score: 1

      I personally felt that http://i.n.com.com/i/ne/p/2006/726spam_plants04_55 0x550.jpg was a vision sent from the Flying Spaghetti Monster of his Noodleiness. But that's just me.

  13. As for Slashdot... by yourOneManArmy · · Score: 0, Redundant

    So now we can find a use for half the posts on here by making them into art. Fantastic.

  14. Beautiful Spam by digitaldc · · Score: 1

    Images 1,2, and 6 were excellent. Spam never looked so good.
    #2 Reminded me of clownfish.

    Now if we could only make money off of deleting our spam, it would be a beautiful thing.

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  15. How does your garden grow? by zentinal · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm a gardener. This makes perfect sense to me. After all, it takes goodly amounts of s*it to produce beautiful flowers and foliage.

  16. not so clever by erikus · · Score: 1

    Several of the images really just use the spam as a random number generator.

    Maybe I can use spam to randomize a game of online poker and make the front page of slashdot, too!

    1. Re:not so clever by DoctorDyna · · Score: 1

      You'd have to make it randomize a game of poker, while getting rich and sueing the MPAA. Oh, and it would have to run Linux as well. Oh, and a few mislabeled facts about Vista thrown in for assurance.

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  17. Flamebait? by lottameez · · Score: 1

    Flamebait would have been saying something like "This crappy excuse for art could only have been done using some awful Mapplethorpe-esque combination of Al Gore, Linux, and CR-APple." (That was going to be in my next post).

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  18. I don't know... by clown_puncher · · Score: 1

    looks more like fungus to me.

  19. Random Coolness by AugustZephyr · · Score: 1

    These images certaintly illustrate the random nature of most spam. I wonder what images generated from real email would look like. Now all alex has to do is give his algorithm to google so they can show a pretty picture on the sidebar when you are viewing yor spam box in gmail. Mmmm.... Beautiful Spam.

  20. Bizarre spam I recieved, almost poetry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    This almost moved me to tears from my laughing...

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    From: Shera Kyle
    Date: May 26, 2006 4:22 PM
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    showed miserable thank longer god. convenient sandwich latter oh? goodbye parents central room twenty-one.
    welcome miss rich. trees however burst happen again.
    telling letter yours bridge? forty letter promised between. filled satisfaction as teacher ran.
    side got place tears make benefit? telling prettier drew went.
    social gray miss completely i age. come different spent certain you.

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    1. Re:Bizarre spam I recieved, almost poetry by Alexandra+Erenhart · · Score: 1

      I dare you to rearrange those words to form something coherent :P

      I know I tried to read it skipping a word or two to see if it was an encrypted message behind it... no luck hahahha

  21. Now the spammers will sue for copyright by davidwr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The spammers, always eager to make a buck, will sue him for royalties on the "derivative work."

    Don't laugh, I'm surprised it hasn't happened.

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  22. I need to get more sleep by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 3, Funny

    I need to get more sleep. I read the article title as "One Man's Sperm Is Another Man's Art"

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    1. Re:I need to get more sleep by elbenito69 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I thought that too, and then remembered that it's come true already... the album covers for Metallica's Load and Reload albums are blood and sperm between plates of glass.

    2. Re:I need to get more sleep by Electronik · · Score: 1

      Cum again?

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    3. Re:I need to get more sleep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      . I read the article title as "One Man's Sperm Is Another Man's Art"

      Lance Bass, is that you?

  23. the gods are in the SPAM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anybody see what I see? Hmmm...

  24. Very complex RNG by Coward+Anonymous · · Score: 1

    It sounds like he used the spam as a very complex RNG. He could probably use random() and get similar results...

    1. Re:Very complex RNG by winterlens · · Score: 1

      It's possible that he also used the ASCII inputs as components of an L-System (a common graphics method for generating plantlife procedurally). While he doesn't have control over the input, and it is in that sense "random", he can select a sub-set of spam-related characters (e.g., '0' instead of 'o') as the basis for the system. These characters would be more likely to appear than others, and it would be possible to correlate them statistically with the semantic content of the spam messages to generate, e.g., phallic pictures for v1ag ra spam. Whether he did that or not, who knows? I didn't RTFA.

    2. Re:Very complex RNG by Coward+Anonymous · · Score: 1

      Any constraints he puts could be equally applied to random() output. TFA says he avoided using viagra to do what you described.

  25. Spamusement? by crowdozer · · Score: 1

    I was expecting this story to link to http://www.spamusement.com/ ... "Poorly-drawn cartoons inspired by actual spam subject lines!"

  26. Print Spam by badc0ffee · · Score: 2, Funny

    I print out all my spam, then use it for heating the house in winter, or global warming in the summer. So spam is useful if you print it out.

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  27. Art by madcow_bg · · Score: 1

    > "... He wrote algorithms that analyzed various text and data points of junk e-mail to produce "organic" images of plantlike structures that spontaneously grew based on incoming spam. "

    One time I did a spline interpolation of dots with coordinates I took from /dev/urandom. I still wonder why they looked like brownian motion...

  28. spam, that is just crap by forgoil · · Score: 1

    It should obviously be done with code instead, *THAT* be a hell of a lot more interesting. Imaging pitting XNU vs BSD vs Linux in a *gasp* art contest where the art is representing the code. THAT be much more geeky and slashdot-worthy:)

    1. Re:spam, that is just crap by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      Would the resultant picture be GPL licensed?
      After all; it "contains" GPL code.

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  29. Art by CFBMoo1 · · Score: 1

    I think the pictures look neat. They'd make some nice wall papers and even backdrops for different movies depending on the content.

    I do agree with what one poster said earlier that the software itself is art to a good extent, but if this were setup as a tool for people to play with you'd probebly see people putting in different types of input to produce different results. Wither it's a brush on a canvis or strings of ascii text to function call, it's all input of some form. Who knows, maybe the next big thing will come from this? As long as the guy enjoyed what he did I'm happy for him and nice job.

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  30. I want a new email reader... by jhfry · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I want a new email reader that creates an image of all incoming emails using this technique and displays a thumbnail image beside each message. Once I was used to it, I could probably figure out which messages were spam just by looking at the resulting flower. Function and beauty in one.

    It would work kinda like most baysian filters that give a percent likelyhood that a message is spam, except the prettier the flower, the more likely a message is spam.

    Sure it's a waste of CPU cycles, but it would make recieving spam much more pleasurable.

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  31. Not read much spam, huh? by BumpyCarrot · · Score: 1

    I dunno, if spam is smart enough to get through my filters, I usually take the time to read whatever quasi-poetic method it used to get through them. Some of them are surprisingly gripping.

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    1. Re:Not read much spam, huh? by Kris_B_04 · · Score: 1

      What I want to know is where they are plagerizing those from.
      And if they wrote them theirselves, the are certainly in the wrong line of business!!

      *grin*

      Kris

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  32. Using spam as an instant number generator by Ruvim · · Score: 1
    Here is an idea: How about using spam as a seed for (almost) perfect random number generator?

    I guess I'd better patent this fast!

  33. Kewl... by LeezardLvr · · Score: 1

    Now I can have legit art for my MySpace background :-/

  34. Blech by saboola · · Score: 1

    One Man's Spam Is Another Man's Art

    I read spam as sperm, blech. I need more sleep.

  35. Am I missing something? by vermox · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Is this official spam-day in ./ or what?

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  36. Apophenia by yuvi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Another take on webcomics from spam: http://www.apophenia-prime.com/. This one tries to tell a story without words, with each page depicting a line from a spam email. Readers are encouraged to send in their dialogue, and good interpretations are posted. Just an interesting contrast to Spamusement's take of getting a joke out of the absurd lines in spam.

  37. In a word by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1
    In a word: Cool.

    But I do wonder if "Viagra" makes the plant grow taller and more erect.

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  38. Destructive Derivative Work by QuantumFTL · · Score: 1

    Here's a question: If you create a derivative work, but in such a way that no "useful" information about the original work(s) upon which it was based can be reconstructed, can it still be sued over? For instance, if I took The DaVinci Code book, and rearranged all of the letters in it to be in alphabetical order, and published it (with no references ot The DaVinci Code, except perhaps a small disclaimer in the aknowledgements section), would this be illegal without permission? I see this art as the same type of thing - sure it's based on someone else's work, but there's no way in hell I can figure out what the spammers were writing from those pictures, in fact I'm not even sure it's possible that examining pictures made by this process could determine whether the process was fed with spam or non-spam emails of similar length!

    1. Re:Destructive Derivative Work by happyfrogcow · · Score: 1

      Sort of sounds like a type of collage.

  39. Entropy? by obi · · Score: 1

    Considering the spam I get becomes more and more nonsensical, how about using incoming spam as an entropy source for /dev/random?

  40. Bagoooogly by notoriousE · · Score: 0

    Bagoogly! Bonk bonk banana spamarama! omg BAGOOGLY

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    1. Re:Bagoooogly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think that's good at all. Let's see what this poster really looks like: http://tony.plasmashift.net/

  41. Original, but, why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, this is original I admit. One thing I wonder though. A lot of those spam e-mails are completely unreadable. Rather than simply saying "You must buy so-and-so today, it will make your life better," they say something more along the lines of "kibble running blasted dog" which is such utter nonesense that it can in no way be translated from it's native pseudo-English into the real English we were taught.

  42. Artwork generation through filtered random numbers by kruhft · · Score: 0, Redundant
    This is an interesting take on something that I find quite inspiriing, where one removes the human from the creation process and replaces the randomness of their actions with some other form of generator (spam email ins this case, or a call to random() in the case of a number of my current works) and observes what results. It moves the artist from creator to judge or producer; the program has no idea whether what it has done is good and it would be almost impossible to write a program to recognize "good art", but as humans we are very capapble of making such a decision very quickly given our ability to solve NP problems almost instantly at times.

    I write programs that generate art, and I choose what's good or not to represent myself in artwork. I wrote the programs along the lines of how I would make art, let it run and pick the best pieces. I am still nagged with a bit of guilt about whether I created them or not, but I would say that I did, because without my work the works would never have existed, so I am comfortable with saying that I created them.

    Someone above said this is not artwork due to a couple of things, one of them being that true art work requires emotion during it's creation; I beg to differ in that true artwork *invokes* some sort of emotional response in the viewer and the emotions or lack there of during it's creation are somewhat irrelevant (although, granted, I have made some pretty amazing art when trying to get some emotions out). The computer that generates the pieces doesn't have emotions, but if the piece it makes creates emotions, then I would say that yes it is art, and the program that created it...well, I'm not quite sure what to call that, but I've been liking the term mini-soul lately.

    A shameless plug for some of my work that's been made along similar lines as this would be my Programmed Piano EP which consists of 4 songs played by computer programs and my Genpaper series which were image compositions created programmatically using a shell script.

    The main point of these works was to test a theory of mine that in the end we are all just random number generators our thermodynamic core, but that randomness is filtered amd amplified through various means and processes and as such we then become *us* to the world. These works used filtered random numbers to create art in ways that I would create art; in effect I created a part of myself inside the computer to do work for me, but I would never claim that I could create the same pieces as the programs did, but they sure were a lot faster and ended up being pretty good at what they did.

    Not bad for programs less than 10-20 lines long. Hopefully this was somewhat cohoerent since I'm in a pre-coffee state of mind.

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  43. Meaning in Pattern by Saint+Ego · · Score: 1

    The pictures shown contain various observable patterns (such as areas of darker color, that look like "nodes"). Considering that the data used in the display was based entirely on spam, it is expected that the aforementioned patterns correlate in meaningful ways. All you would need to know is the "key", or formula used to generate the image...

    Navigate your Inbox via spamtree: email from existing contacts collects in bright shiney flowers, while spam becomes part of ugly growing flowers that can be "cut" and sent to the Trash folder.

    Keeping your Inbox clean would be analogous in a direct way with tending a garden.

    Pick your own metaphor and run with it, the concept could be taken a few places...

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  44. Constructive uses for spam by ldholtsclaw · · Score: 1

    It makes me wonder if anyone has considered using spam to generate entropy for cryptography.

  45. reminds me of my old job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This reminds me of when i was an intern at PGP. We had this great idea about hooking me up to a motion capture system so that I could dance around generating entropy all day.

  46. Methinks the "spam" aspect is a gimmick. by dpbsmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The pictures are genuinely interesting, but I seriously wonder whether the spam input plays any important role in their appearance. I'll bet he could just as easily have used Wall Street Journal editorials, or transcriptions of chess games, or digitized music waveforms, or, quite possibly, random numbers.

    It's rather like the phony "participative" art... like the staircase they have, or used to have, at the Boston Museum of Science, where descending the steps interrupts light beams and creates wind-chime-like music. You sense a connection between your actions and the music, and for about fifteen seconds it's cool, but then you gradually realize that you aren't really controlling the music or pouring anything meaningful of your own into the artwork.

    For that matter, it's like a wind chime. The aural experience is shaped far more by the designer of the chime than by the wind.

    Or... for one more analogy... is this really different from the Andy O'Meara's G-Force visualization plugin for MP3 players... or the 1930's "color organs?"

    The annoying part is that the most novel aspect is the claimed connection with spam. Because of the novelty of using spam as the semi-random seeding function, I believe he's probably managed to get much more notice of his art than if he had used something less novel.

  47. Now that's the way to eliminate spam by iminplaya · · Score: 1

    Just make it useful. Now the spammers will probably use some IP law to prevent this "unauthorized" use of their copyrighted material.

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  48. It's another message from Petra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I feel like I've seen a message from her before somewhere.

  49. I like SPAM... by bky1701 · · Score: 1

    Some of these are really priceless. I got one about a Cuban guy who wanted to start a revolution once, just the other day I got a funny one that was a ton of semi-random words, but it was hilarious still.

    Maybe I am easily amused.

  50. Did anyone else misread this? by SonicSpike · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else misread this as "one man's sperm is another man's art"!!?!?!?

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  51. Spam as art! by p33p3r · · Score: 0

    I like my spam fried on a sandwich. If I want to be artistic, I'll add lettuce, tomato and mayo.

  52. Slimey spammers by davidwr · · Score: 1

    My thought was they'd smell the chance at a buck and sue. Heck, if they even got a 0.1% success rate it would still be better than spamming. Fortunately for the artist, the cost of filing a frivilous lawsuit is more than millipennies per victim.

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  53. art is not group theory by weierstrass · · Score: 1

    >With regards to the visual arts, couldn't we simply adapt Xenakis' definition to say that it is the operation of group theory on images?

    No, because group theory is not sufficient to describe the reason a picture of a naked woman is beautiful.

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    1. Re:art is not group theory by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      No, because group theory is not sufficient to describe the reason a picture of a naked woman is beautiful.

      Who said art has to be about beauty?

    2. Re:art is not group theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who said art has to be about beauty?

      Nobody. What the PP said was that some images generally considered art are pictures of naked women. If group theory cannot explain why those images are art and others aren't, it's pretty worthless.

  54. it doesn't have to be about beauty by weierstrass · · Score: 1

    but it does have to be about naked women.

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  55. spam recycling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    here's another take on spam as art. warning: site is 100% flash.

    http://www.spamrecycling.com/