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Download From Microsoft Without a WGA Check

Anonymous Coward writes, "When you want to download a file from Microsoft, a WGA (Windows Genuine Advantage) check is performed. Microsoft installs a small piece of software on your computer that contacts the Microsoft server and checks the validity of your installed Windows software. If the test fails you will not be able to download the file(s). The following method gives you the ability to download every file from Microsoft without a WGA check."

195 comments

  1. Correct me if I'm wrong... by Ninwa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But I just tryed this with an invalid version of Windows, and no dice. I think the article is misleading, and this isn't even newsworthy. I don't believe this is a way to "skip" authentication, but simply a way of manually entering your key into the URL, essentially what you would've done anyway, except in a form text area. No?

    1. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by jpardey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, at least you don't need to have the WGA program installed, which phones home every so often, if I recall the previous stream of slashdot posts rightly.

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    2. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by IHawkMike · · Score: 3, Informative

      Normally, the site will install an ActiveX control that verifies that your copy of Windows is genuine. Instead you can bypass this check by running the mgadiag too and modifying the download URL with the code that the tool displays. My copy of Windows is genuine so I don't know if a non-genuine copy gives a working code or if you have to use a code from a legal copy.

    3. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 5, Funny

      Even better, when you're submitting a story to slashdot as AC, it might be best to omit linking directly to your email address.

      Just a thought.

    4. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Jade+E.+2 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I did the same thing, went to a test machine with an old blocked VLK and tried it, no dice. Then I realized... Hey, wait a minute. This looks like it's just a shortcut to inputting your product ID by using a hash... I wonder what would happen if I just replaced the hash with one from a valid system?

      Not having a valid windows system handy I was willing to run a somewhat questionable executable on, where could I get a valid hash? Oh hey, look at that. Right there in the article it says "(example &Hash=6VJPCR9)". I appended that to the URL, and bingo. "Genuine Microsoft Software".

    5. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that you Martin Brinkmann...

    6. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not having a valid windows system handy I was willing to run a somewhat questionable executable on,

      That sentence alone is enough to get me riled up. Granted, I'm one of the people who stepped gracefully off the Microsoft Bus as soon as 'Product Validation' became a reality. (I even run Windows 2000 and the first version of Office 2000, which are the two last versions on their respective lines to not have the 'phone home' features)

      It sorta chills me to think of being afraid to run particular binaries on a machine that I own and am legitimate owner of, because a 'phone home' feature will nark on me.

      My copies of Windows 2000 and Office 2000 are the full retail-box versions (about the most expensive way possible to buy Microsoft's products). I used to buy a lot of their stuff. Not any longer. And I'm not alone.

    7. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Tatsh · · Score: 2, Informative

      A nongenuine Windows will return a non-working code, but I'm talking about Windows XP only. Any non-genuine 2000 or below will return a working code, and if you use Firefox and use the separate app method provided on the download site, you can run that on Windows 2000 and then download the files and of course, then use them on an XP machine.

      Or you can take the code generated from the Windows 2000 or below (best with 98SE, which M$ doesn't care about anymore) and just type it on your Windows XP machine. This works too.

    8. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Jade+E.+2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't get me wrong, I'm not worried about that wgacheck thing phoning home, I'm worried about the off chance that it fubars the box. The windows servers aren't my domain, and I don't really feel like explaining to their admin that I was running some supposed "internal microsoft tool" on one of his fragile boxes when it crashed. Besides, I'm not supposed to know the admin password he hasn't changed in 3 years.

    9. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Nocturnal+Deviant · · Score: 0

      correct me if im wrong but is there a workaround a slashdotting...hmm GOOGLE CACHE AHOY!

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    10. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Columcille · · Score: 4, Informative

      Phone home was reported on beta versions of the software. Microsoft documented the phone home practice and removed it in the final version of the software. As far as I know, no complaints have been made about phone home practices since the final version was released.

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    11. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by DaFrog · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This is sad.... Is Slashdot now the safe harbor for wannabe script kiddies who hate M$? Come on, how much you hate M$, they are in for the cash, so respect the fact that they want to check that you paid for what you got - Let me ask you a question; are you the same folks you believe that open source means free (as in beer) software? Going back to play a fully licensed game on a very horrid OS

    12. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by RuBLed · · Score: 1

      I tried this before when WGA cropped up. I was thinking that if it only needs a code then I would only have to supply it a code from a valid winxp machine, I did that using my new pc with an oem xp and using the code generated for the use of that old family desktop pc. It worked but for only a limited time.

      It seems that the code generated is different as time passes by so the code I used a month or so ago would not work again, I have to regenerate the code.

      And by the way, If I'm not mistaken, I believe IE7 is doing another validation "tests" of its own during installation. Having a code will let you download the thing, but installing it is another story.

    13. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I love it. Slashdot's editorial ethics prevent it from linking to ways of getting around Apple DRM, but happily offer up links to getting around Microsoft DRM??

    14. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Red+Alastor · · Score: 3, Informative
      Normally, the site will install an ActiveX control that verifies that your copy of Windows is genuine. Instead you can bypass this check by running the mgadiag too and modifying the download URL with the code that the tool displays. My copy of Windows is genuine so I don't know if a non-genuine copy gives a working code or if you have to use a code from a legal copy.
      I did not test for a cracked version of Windows but I just did for Linux (using crossover to run the .exe). It worked flawlessly. So I believe the OP probably failed to follow the instructions properly (maybe did not remove the quotation marks).
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    15. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Ninwa · · Score: 4, Informative
      Using a valid download center key you can download the file on a machine with an invalid VLK, but you still can't install it. This is the case at least with IE7, so I assume it's the same with other software as well. The installer does its own validation check. So ultimately, what do we gain except now we have the installer, which doesn't do an invalid user any good, because it checks for the key. And it doesn't do a valid user any good, because they could've gotten it anyway, without this!

      So what the hell is the point of this?

    16. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      "It sorta chills me to think of being afraid to run particular binaries on a machine that I own and am legitimate owner of, because a 'phone home' feature will nark on me."

      I totally agree with your sentiment. In fact, I'm keeping 2K around for exactly the reasons you've stated. But I do have doubts as to whether or not the narc'ing will land me in any real trouble. It might prevent me from running something, but I wouldn't expect the Feds to come knocking on my door. Not only would that be expensive for Microsoft considering how petty that'd be, but that's not PR they'd enjoy.

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    17. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by JimDaGeek · · Score: 1
      But I just tryed this with an invalid version of Windows, and no dice.
      I just downloaded the MGADiag.exe file from TFA and ran in under wine on Ubuntu. It ran and gave me a hash key, I then followed the steps in TFA and wham, it worked as advertised and I was then "validated" to download IE7 if I wanted to.

      WGA seems to be some pretty broken code IMO :-)
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    18. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Smauler · · Score: 1

      Same here too - The biggest reason I didn't go for XP was its "phone home" feature. I also didn't go for it because of the unnecessary expense, and the slowdown. I've seen systems like mine running XP, and they aren't pretty.

    19. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by jZnat · · Score: 1

      Uh, maybe he doesn't have an account here? Just a thought...

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    20. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by damonlab · · Score: 1

      The beta versions were final versions. They were released to the public via WU and also the automatic WU. The "final" version is anything but... it is just the latest current verson. Rest assured that there will be many more versions in the future.

    21. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by mcrbids · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I used to buy a lot of their stuff. Not any longer. And I'm not alone.

      But you're in a very small room. Most people don't know or care about stuff like this. It measures somewhere between a traffic fine for accidentally running a red light and being late for a video rental.

      And how many people do you represent? Do you buy for a corporation? Large group? Somehow, I doubt it.

      I'm an OSS kinda guy (I write this on my Fedora Core system, using Mozilla) and love it, and have even made sure that our software works on Windows, Mac, and Linux - but none of our customers have *EVER* used our Linux software. A small (but meaningful) percentage of our users are on Macs.

      Truth is, much as we who are interested in this stuff might like otherwise, this stuff just doesn't matter to most people - and to those whom it does, Microsoft really is cheaper.

      Ever try to support desktop software? Yes, it's getting worse on Windows, but it's still not too bad, compared to supporting some XYZ linux flavor:

      Q. What Operating System are you using?
      A. Linux
      Q. Ok, what UI are you using?
      A. What?
      Q. I mean, what Window Manager?
      A. What's that?
      Q. When you click on the start button, what do you see?
      A. There is no "Start" button...
      Q. Is there a button where you click on to run a program?
      A. Yeah.
      Q. When you click on it, what does it say?
      A. Enter Command
      Q. That's it, "Enter Command"?
      A. Yes.
      Q. So how do you do stuff?
      A. What kind of stuff?
      Q. You know, look at a website.
      A. Oh, a website! I use Firefox!
      Q. Good, how do you find FireFox?
      A. It's on my desktop!
      Q. So are you using Gnome or KDE?
      A. I don't know what you're talking about.
      Q. (deep sigh)
      A. So, you're looking at a screen, right?
      Q. Yes.
      A. And there's a task bar on it, right?
      Q. No. ......

      See where this is going? Linux is not for end users. It probably could be - but it just isn't there now. Ubuntu just might be getting there. Macintosh OSX is there. But for end users, only through some very controlled interface, and in some limited capacity.

      Now, I was talking with my father-in-law the other day, and he indicated that he would *never* use Linux. I laughed, and told me that he did, every day. And not only that, but he raved to me about it!

      With a look of surprise, he asked me how/where - and I pointed to his Dish DVR. (which is Linux-based, all the way down to an ext2/3 filesystem)

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    22. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well that's a relief. But can I do this with Safari on a Mac, or Firefox on Linux or MacOSX? The only reason I would want to use this workaround is to download software before visiting a client, or to have it on hand in case I may need it for a client.. Why should I need to run windows software in order to support a windows user? --- my service to the client benefits Microsoft by delaying their move to another operating system. The way I look at it, Microsoft should be paying me AND sending me updates on CD; if I can keep their systems running for 2 more years, they might consider buying Vista. If I can't... well MacOSX and Linux look better every day.

    23. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Linker3000 · · Score: 1

      Totally agree - it's a pain and has happened to some of our laptops which suddenly 'decided' they were not running genuine versions of windows even though they were.

      The real pain-in-the-ass though is that wonderful message '...an update has been installed that required a reboot...' - that really hurts when you left the office with your PC password locked and running a ssh session doing something unspeakbly long on a Linux server.

      Good job the auto reboot can be disabled.

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    24. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by cliffski · · Score: 1

      yeah kinda weird isnt it. I have a legit copy of windows, it came with my PC preinstalled, exactly as I, the customer, wanted it. I dont mind paying for it, because I get a hell of a lot for my money, and its my O/S of choice. I've done enough coding to appreciate the shedloads of work that went into Windows XP, and dont resent the cost of it. If microsoft won't let me get patches without checking I paid for it, thats absolutely fine. I do exactly the same with the software I sell. Rather than have to dig out obscure articles and registry hacks, and other dubious workarounds, when I see the WGA prompt I just click yes. A lot less hassle.
      Lifes actually pretty simple when you pay for the software you use every day.

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    25. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by sean_r69 · · Score: 1

      On my PC's WGA no longer phone's home every time an internet connection is found. Used to though.
      *shrugs* Take from that what you will.

    26. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Stormwatch · · Score: 1
      So are you using Gnome or KDE?
      I'm using Xfce, you insensitive clod!
    27. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by dolmen.fr · · Score: 2, Informative
      that really hurts when you left the office with your PC password locked and running a ssh session doing something unspeakbly long on a Linux server.
      You should have a look at GNU Screen (tutorial).
    28. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by paganizer · · Score: 4, Informative

      ....or you can do what I did; modify your hosts file with "127.0.0.1 update.microsoft.com" so that any time it tries to automatically go to windows update, it can't.
      Then, go to WinDiz at windowsupdate.62nds.com using a non-IE browser. It's faster, more secure, doesn't TRY to make you install the latest DRM upgrade, just the critical patches.
      The Only system I have that I let go to windows update is my Media Center laptop; it has to be running all the latest DRM/Spyware to work properly, so I just go with the flow and Isolate it on my home network.

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    29. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love it. Slashdot's editorial ethics prevent it from linking to ways of getting around Apple DRM, but happily offer up links to getting around Microsoft DRM??

      You must be new here. Slashdot should not be used for unintended purposes. Slashdot is not a bastion of journalistic or editorial consistency. Things like accuracy, timeliness, grammar, and fundamental spelling are also not provided by Slashdot.

      Remember, Slashdot is about chewy 'newsbytes', which sometimes has chunks in it.

    30. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i fool WGA check by "customizing" a single dll file in windows system32 directory

      i dont get - why MS thinks that people use the same binaries MS distributes to them.

    31. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by sydb · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but this is stupid. It's stupid to support "Linux", because it's a kernel. It's stupid not to ask a user what distro they're using, because distros have default UIs, ususally Gnome, and users will know what distro they're using, because it usually tells them that when it starts up, or they chose it when they bought or downloaded it.

      If a user doesn't know what distro they're using, then they wouldn't know what version of Windows they were using either.

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    32. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

      it's for people who have a legit copy of windows, but don't want to install WGA.

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    33. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by sydb · · Score: 2, Informative

      Seconded, GNU Screen rocks and only takes five minutes to grok it. It really is worth those five minutes.

      What would be really nice is if someone would integrate screen into an ssh daemon, so it just worked without having to start screen before doing something long-winded.

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    34. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by sgbett · · Score: 0

      I dont know exactly how to go about it off the top of my head, but im sure you could rig something up in .bashrc

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    35. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Exactly what I was gonna say. If the user was using Ubuntu, they'd contact Ubuntu support. If they were using Redhat, Redhat. Suse, Suse. etc.

      The GP post is a complete strawman argument; any company who offered support for 'any' Linux distro deserves what it gets. It's like offering support for 'any' Windows distro.

    36. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can, however, remove the check from the installer by a simple edit of the MSI file...

    37. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry, but betas are buggy pre-releases that users use specifically on a voluntary basis.

      If a company pro-actively pushes code to my machine and effectively forces me to run it, that's releasing a "final version", by any sensible definition of the term.

      Now, after the furore when people discovered the dialling-home behaviour MS might have disabled that "feature" in a later version, but that doesn't make the preceeding one a "beta", except in very bad efforts at spin-control or post-facto apologetics.

      And I think the point is that with MS pulling shit like this every other month, people are getting increasingly itchy about running any MS apps or utils they don't absolutely have to.

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    38. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      http://www.softwarepatch.com/windows/ will let you download windows patches and service packs, even without a valid product key. As far as I know, it doesn't phone home at all. It's not some shady executable, but just a website that works with any browser, to download service packs and the like.

    39. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about the 20% (from Microsoft's admission) of the people who have been identified incorrectyly as being pirates? How is life so easy for them, despite having paid for their software.

      You smug arrogant git.

    40. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by RemovableBait · · Score: 4, Informative

      Except, you can't block access to Windows Update or certain other Microsoft websites by using the HOSTS file. You just can't.

      Microsoft wrote some sort of hack into Windows so that requests for Microsoft websites (including update.microsoft.com and microsoft.com) cannot be blocked or redirected by malware or viruses.

      Try it and see for yourself: put two lines in the HOSTS file, '127.0.0.1 google.com' and '127.0.0.1 microsoft.com' (without the quotes). For the uninitiated, the HOSTS file is located in \Windows\system32\drivers\etc, and you'll need Administrator priveleges to edit it. Now open up your favourite web browser and try to open google.com. You'll find that Google is unreachable and returns an error. Now try microsoft.com and watch as the page merrily loads.

      Maybe you'll need to rethink your tinfoil hat solution for avoiding Automatic Updates?

    41. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by nschubach · · Score: 2, Informative

      Couldn't you just edit the MSI with Orca and remove the Condition or did they change that recently as well? (you could even extract the MSI using one of the many tools available) I had to do this several times on my Win 2000 build so I could run software that "was not supported" on 2K.

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    42. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by toleraen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's funny, Microsoft hasn't pushed anything I didn't want to my machine. Then again, I've got auto update disabled. I take it you clicked the "Yes I accept any software you want to send me" button? While MS probably shouldn't have added this "feature" to their code in the first place, you told MS that it was ok to install on your machine. They didn't force you into anything, you gave them the key to your house and said "make yourself at home".

    43. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by farnz · · Score: 1

      I use bash, so you may need to tweak this for your shell of choice. The last line of my .bash_profile is "screen -DR". This reattaches me to my screen session whenever I log in via SSH; the bash instances started by screen only inspect .bashrc, not .bash_profile. Hope this helps you a little.

    44. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Linker3000 · · Score: 1

      Thanks - caught sight of the app last week!

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    45. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by sydb · · Score: 1

      Yes, as I was writing my post I thought of that as a possibility, but it would be a step forward in terms of ease-of-use if some ssh daemon just did it automatically. I have to use Windows terminal services at work, and you disconnect and reconnect to existing sessions like a GUI GNU Screen. You don't have to think "how can I make this work", it's built-in. For most people, they just want stuff to work. I don't care, because I can type screen or edit my bash_profile, but many people don't even know Screen exists.

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    46. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by slummy · · Score: 1

      Use MythTV and you won't have to worry about your Media Center laptop. ;)

    47. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
      ....or you can do what I did; modify your hosts file with "127.0.0.1 update.microsoft.com" so that
      any time it tries to automatically go to windows update, it can't.


      don't forget to modify your dnsapi.dll and dnsrslvr.dll files, as well. the sneaky bastiches hard-coded the ip's. your hosts file isn't the first place that windoze looks when resolving a DNS/ip issue; it's the last [locally].


      cheers.

    48. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Gattman01 · · Score: 1

      Hosts won't work, but if you are really determined to block MS sites you are probably already running a network, most likely running a firewall.
      Have the firewall block the traffic to MS, problem solved.

      Sure, its a little more work then just editing Hosts, but it should work. Unless they start setting up a distributed network system of some sort.

    49. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, I clicked the "Download all updates but wait for my OK before installing them" button.

      I think it's pretty much taken as read that "updates" should have been tested and approved before release. Either that, or the button should have said "Download all updates and any other shoddy half-finished beta-release crap Microsoft would like to risk fucking up your machine with and wait for my OK before installing them".

      The thing is, unless you want to waste hours pissing about trying to get around it you need to have WGA installed to get Windows Updates (well, until this story was posted, anyway).

      So, I gave my consent to allowing MS to install "essential updates" to my machine which, given Windows' execrable security record, is pretty much a no-brainer. I have a genuine copy of Windows XP, so although I don't like being treated like a pirate without reason, I also didn't mind running WGA too much.

      YMMV, but again my time is valuable - you might have time to investigate every single Windows patch available before oking it, but frankly with the amount of crap wrong with Windows you'd have to be at it nearly full-time to keep up.

      MS then used this (perfectly-reasonable) permission to turn WGA into spyware, and somehow it's my fault?

      Remember: they didn't exactly shout from the rooftops before slipping this nasty little dialling-home functionality in, did they?

      I mean, sure, you've got a point - I was clearly stupid not to decompile every single Windows Update patch and inspect it by hand before installing each and every one one-at-a-time, rebooting and monitoring my outbound network traffic in-between just in case I'd missed any little surprises.

      Oh, what a fool I've been.

      The point is, either MS were deliberately spying on me (in which case they deserve punishment) or they stupidly pushed non-production-ready software into my machine in the guise of production-ready software, and didn't own up to it until someone else very publically called them on it... in which case they should be punished. What was your point again?

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    50. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Curmudgeonlyoldbloke · · Score: 1

      I agree - I don't think that the current version tries to phone home repeatedly. On my work PC the original WGA version was prevented from doing so by a software firewall rule (which I haven't changed). I haven't seen any alerts from it for some time.

      Obviously this isn't proof - any software running as part of the OS can do what it likes (including turning on and off third-party firewall rules) but it's a pretty good indication.

    51. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by toleraen · · Score: 1

      My point? That you shouldn't blindly accept everything that's handed to you. You've obviously spent more than a few minutes on the WGA issue, having posted multiple times to this thread. Be proactive, not reactive. If something has a chance to affect you in a negative way, look into it before hand. Don't wait until after it hits you to try and figure out what's wrong, and how to fix it. That's just a general life rule!

      Judging by your /. post history, I could probably safely assume you visit here pretty often. Judging by your participation in this thread, I would assume that you read, with interest, articles involving windows updates. So you're off to a good start! Now, when MS messes up bad, and people find out about it, articles have a great tendency to end up posted on /..

      Let's combine those two concepts together, and we'll find my approach to applying patches! I don't decompile every single Windows Update. I know that MS really messes things up with their patches. It's in their history. You even seem to mention that:
      "...given Windows' execrable security record..."

      So when patch day hits, I /.. Actually I /. anyway, so it's not really taking any more of my time. You probably fall into this category as well. Some anticpated patches might be posted, and if there's any concern about that patch, I don't download it. Or, after a day or two after a big push, if I don't see any negative posts about it, I update.

      That's all it takes to apply a proactive approach. Versus your method, it takes me maybe an extra minute or two to manually run windows update, and I can be relatively confident about what I'm applying. So instead of spending a few minutes on /. complaining about one of the updates as you have done, I have spent a few minutes reading peoples complaints and decided not to update yet. Proactive versus reactive.

    52. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by EvilIdler · · Score: 1

      I download the authentication tool in Linux and run it with Wine.
      Then I download whatever patches or service packs I need in Opera,
      so it's pretty much the same as the article shows.

    53. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by drew · · Score: 1
      Ever try to support desktop software? Yes, it's getting worse on Windows, but it's still not too bad, compared to supporting some XYZ linux flavor:

      Q. What Operating System are you using?
      A. Linux


      You've already got it wrong on the first line. If you ask my wife what Operating System is installed on my laptop, she'll answer without hesitation "ooboontoo". She didn't realize Ubuntu was actually Linux until I told her- after it had already been on the laptop for almost 6 months. She knew all that time what Linux was- (because I used it in college and it frustrated her to no end that she could never figure out how to do anything on my computer) she just never realized they were the same thing. I would bet you money that anyone who says only "Linux" when you ask them what "Operating System" they run knows perfectly well whether they are running Gnome, KDE, Xfce, Enlightenment, etc.

      And since you mention it, try asking a windows user what operating system they run sometime...
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      If I don't put anything here, will anyone recognize me anymore?
    54. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by BigDogCH · · Score: 1

      Not that I diagree with you, but he didn't say he was supporting linux, he said he was supporing desktop software. If you had been in support, you would realize that the above statements are very realistic. Just last week I had a user who said they were running Windows, and it turned out to be Linux ("Oh yeah, some other type of Windows"). I have also had the reverse, where they told me they were running Linux, but it was Windows (they installed a linux distro, but the bootloader would prompt them for which OS to boot, and it would boot Windows anyway).

      "then they wouldn't know what version of Windows they were using either."

      At least 80% of my calls are from people who have no idea what version of Windows they are running. They all say XP, but more than half are still on ME or 98. It is changing, 2 years ago it would have been more like 2/3.

    55. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      >I just downloaded the MGADiag.exe file from TFA and ran in under wine on Ubuntu. It ran
      >and gave me a hash key, I then followed the steps in TFA and wham, it worked as advertised >and I was then "validated" to download IE7 if I wanted to.
      >
      >WGA seems to be some pretty broken code IMO :-)

      Maybe they've decided that minimising false negatives is more important than minimising false positives, i.e. a few people with no Windows license getting the download is more important than a few people with getting no download. It kind of makes sense, since denying the upgrade to paying users means support calls which cost money. Presumably if you have pirated Windows and really wanted to get the update, you could just download the files from a genuine machine at work anyway.

      Or maybe they're machiavellian enough to allow downloads just because you're running wine or Ubuntu. It's not like most updates are any use to you I suspect, and it sidesteps any complaints about illegal tying arrangements.

      What happens if you install IE7 btw?

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    56. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by triffid_98 · · Score: 1
      Oh, I can see you've never actually tried to reinstall your OS. A friend of mine bought a new Dell. It did indeed come with a pre-installed version of XP. However it did not come with a regular Windows XP install CD, only a 'system restore' CD.

      Since I had a regular Windows XP CD, I thought I could help him re-install his OS. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that his 'legit copy of windows' CD key does not actually work with a regular Windows XP install CD, only with the Dell repair CD.

      So in fact, life isn't all that simple when you add WGA...

      yeah kinda weird isnt it. I have a legit copy of windows, it came with my PC preinstalled, exactly as I, the customer, wanted it. I dont mind paying for it, because I get a hell of a lot for my money, and its my O/S of choice. ... Lifes actually pretty simple when you pay for the software you use every day.
    57. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Except, you can't block access to Windows Update or certain other Microsoft websites by using the HOSTS file."

      Yes you can. If the file is located in /etc/hosts or /private/etc/hosts, you obviously don't need MS updates.

    58. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 1

      Fair point, and a strategy which I shall most assuredly be applying from now on.

      While it's a good way to avoid any nasty little surprises that are discovered quickly, you've got a big tradeoff between how long you delay patching and how long it takes for someone to find a problem with a Windows patch. I can't remember how long it took for the WGA dialling-home story to break, but I vaguely rmember it being more than 48 hours.

      It also doesn't (IMO) absolve Microsoft from their wrongdoing. Sure it's a good way to avoid getting bitten, but it doesn't make it alright for MS to either spy on their users or foist beta-quality software on people under the guise of production-ready code... :-/

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    59. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by mcrbids · · Score: 1


      If a user doesn't know what distro they're using, then they wouldn't know what version of Windows they were using either.


      But, on either Windows or Macintosh, it's EASY to tell them how to find out what flavor they're running. That is not true for *nix. And so long as this is the case, the "Year of the Linux Desktop" will never happen.

      There's no such consistency when using Linux. Are they running KDE 2/3/x? Are they running Gnome 1.x/2.x? Stuff moves around constantly - there's the "normal" Gnome, the "RedHat" Gnome, the "Suse" Gnome, etc.

      And there's no promise the user is even using either of the 2 big ones. My example above assumes the user is running IceWM.

      Yes, I've swallowed the Blue OSS pill - and I don't regret it. But I defy you to try to support end-user software on the Linux platform.

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    60. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by toleraen · · Score: 1

      It also doesn't (IMO) absolve Microsoft from their wrongdoing. Sure it's a good way to avoid getting bitten, but it doesn't make it alright for MS to either spy on their users or foist beta-quality software on people under the guise of production-ready code... :-/

      And on that point I whole heartedly agree with you! I am in no way trying to relieve MS of any wrongdoings. Dogs will always bite, I'm just trying to explain how I get bit less without having to put Spot down. It isn't fail-proof, but it helps from time to time.

    61. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by arantius · · Score: 1
      Not having a valid windows system handy I was willing to run a somewhat questionable executable on,
      That sentence alone is enough to get me riled up. Granted, I'm one of the people who stepped gracefully off the Microsoft Bus as ... to not have the 'phone home' features)
      You've completely missed the OP's point. He didn't want to run a "somewhat questionable executable" on a good machine, because it might be virus/worm/trojan/whatever infested.
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    62. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by paganizer · · Score: 1

      Hmm. I certainly tried it before I suggested it; just went in and verified that I had it set up that way, checked my firewalls to see if I put something there... nope. just the "127.0.0.1 update.microsoft.com" in hosts.
      Wait a minute... i'm using Win2k. are you using WinME version 2.0, otherwise known as WinXP? that would explain it. since you already have integrated spyware & DRM right out of the box, you might as well go to windowsupdate, no reason not to.

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    63. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by paganizer · · Score: 1

      I use myth on my firewall/PC-PVR/File/Print server. but I got a TOTALLY sweet HP DV8230US Laptop a couple of months back, and i've had problems keeping debian stable on the core duo CPU; never even tried to get the built in tuner / capture stuff working. i'm sure it's something I could work out if I screwed with it enough, but it works just fine the way it is, I can circumvent the MS DRM/spyware, and I use VirtualPC for anything I can't do in Media Center.
      It does bug the heck out of me to be running a variant of XP, though.

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    64. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by cliffski · · Score: 1

      yawnsville.

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    65. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by julesh · · Score: 1

      Configure your client to send this as the initial command (this is an option in almost all SSH clients; in PuTTY it's in the "ssh" tab):

      screen -R -l -s -bash

      That'll reconnect to an existing session if one's available, otherwise it'll start a login shell with bash.

    66. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by sydb · · Score: 1

      For "support Linux", read "support Linux, with no further qualification, as a target platform for application software", not "support Linux the kernel or distros which use it".

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    67. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by sydb · · Score: 1

      If I am supporting application software on a GNU/Linux system, presumably because I am under contract to do so, I will specify the supported system(s). "We support RedHat AS 3.0 and above" for example. Also, I don't believe users install an operating system without knowing which one it is. If they do, all bets are off. And if I am supporting application software and the user can't tell me what the operating system is, I am well within my rights to say "I can't help you unless you tell me exactly what operating system you're running".

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    68. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a difference between installing a Retail version of WinXP and an OEM version of WinXP. Sucks, but thats that, and that has nothing to do with WGA.

    69. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by BigDogCH · · Score: 1

      I agree mostly............except with this....

      "I can't help you unless you tell me exactly what operating system you're running".

      Support is how some of us get paid. If I followed this policy, I would lose 50%+ of my business. The majority of people who call me for support do not know what OS they have. It might be different working for a large company, but as a general PC repair company this isn't practical. Hehe, I had someone call several months back telling me they had Windows XP, and it turned out to be a PowerPC. Wow.

      Users that call me often refer to the case as "the hard drive", the desktop is "their homepage", and the monitor as "the computer". The "caps-lock" concept makes sense to them, but the "num-lock" doesn't. The average home user doesn't know the difference between RAM and a hard drive, they don't know what an OS is, and they certainly don't know what OS they are running. My only hope is to ask them to either remember what it says when they boot up, or click the start menu and look there. At that point I typically have to backtrack and explain what I mean by "boot up".

      This probably seems far fetched to most IT workers.....who think their office staff is stupid. Get with reality....your office staff at least knows something about computers. Can they send attachments? If so, that is more than the average user.

    70. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1

      You should check again - Dell's System Restore CDs have tended to actually be slipstreamed Windows XP install discs, not just the usual "system restore" fare... at least up `til about 6 months ago (the last time I reinstalled a Dell using its CD.

    71. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      If I am supporting application software on a GNU/Linux system, presumably because I am under contract to do so, I will specify the supported system(s). "We support RedHat AS 3.0 and above" for example.

      When's the last time Roxio was "under a contract" to support their application software on ANY system for their Easy CD-Creator product? Never? I didn't think so.

      Also, I don't believe users install an operating system without knowing which one it is. If they do, all bets are off.

      You may do well to remember this little tidbit:

      "Tis far better to keep your mouth shut and appear that you may not know what you are talking about, than to open it and remove all doubt".

      The point is just that. All bets are off. Supporting desktop software on Linux is next to impossible.

      And if I am supporting application software and the user can't tell me what the operating system is, I am well within my rights to say "I can't help you unless you tell me exactly what operating system you're running".

      I'll just be glad that you aren't running my company! If you said this to your users, you'd go out of business rather quickly!

      If you assume that the people who use your product are the most incompetent, utterly, incoherently, mind-numbingly ignorant beings to ever grace a keyboard, and you realize that the users of your software are actually quite a bit dumber than that, you might begin to get an approximation of just how bad reality is.

      They'll ask for a manual until they get one. But they won't read it. They'll ask for help files, and you'll provide them. And they won't look at them. They'll ask you to warn them before they do something stupid. And they'll click OK despite the siren, flashing icons, and red background on the warning message, without even reading it. They'll even deny that the message was there in the first place.

      Worse still, you'll have people who refuse to read these messages, behaving as though they were truly illiterate, even though they are teachers teaching a college English class!

      You just don't have a clue. That doesn't make you bad, just clueless.

      Linux is a great server operating system. It does amazing in the embedded space, as well. It's rock solid, quite secure, and is a dream come true if you are a programmer. But it is NOT a consumer operating system.

      Unix begat OSX, so the potential exists. But it ain't there yet!

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    72. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by sydb · · Score: 1

      But the OP was complaining that Linux wasn't ready for the desktop because some users don't know what operating system they are running; this is a non-sequitor, and you've nicely pointed out that some users don't even know a Mac from a PC. Bridging the techy/non-techy gap is always going to be the main problem for workers who have to support them over the phone. The hardware and software problems, whilst they can be involving, are at least logical if you know the system.

      I have built up a number of small businesses and individuals who rely on me for remote support, although it's not my day job, and your experiences with them are the same as mine. I sometimes find the confusion between monitor, computer and hard drive to be a source of frustration... but always amusement!

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    73. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by sydb · · Score: 1

      I don't understand your point about Roxio. Actually I have never used Roxio products nor have I seen their Minimum System Requirements. But I know it's fairly standard to have those requirements.

      Actually I don't understand much of what you say in your post because it's mostly a rant.

      I have supported desktop software for Windows, Mac and "Linux", and none of it is impossible, but it's all as difficult as you and your users make it. The key is having support infrastructure in place, and not making promises that are difficult to keep. If you have dug yourself into a support hole that you can't get yourself out of it's your own fault. Don't blame "Linux" for "not being ready", the problem is that you are not ready. And don't give me your shit about the real world and being clueless, I've been doing IT of various kinds for 15 years and I know what I'm talking about.

      The problems "Linux" has in the consumer space are:
      - unfamiliarity to the public
      - lack of marketing
      - the fact that most software is written for Windows
      - vested interests of IT people

      But these are not really problems, just things that mean "Linux" will be niche for a while longer. It will take corporate desktop adoption before the general public become interested.

      Your stupid straw man that you can't tell if it's Gnome or KDE is just that, a stupid straw man.

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    74. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      Your stupid straw man that you can't tell if it's Gnome or KDE is just that, a stupid straw man.

      Ok.

      Write a program for END USERS - not tech weenies administering a server. I'm talking about accountants, teachers, lawyers, doctors, and the like. Sell it. Write an installer for it, that works with RedHat, Novell, SUSE, Ubuntu, and Debian - recent versions sold in the past 5 years. And since Linux is what we're talking about, it can't be web-based.

      And support it.

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    75. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by sydb · · Score: 1

      Well, that'll take a while, but leave it with me.

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    76. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... by BigDogCH · · Score: 1

      Okay, yes I concede the first point. I didn't read it that way the first time.

      How about this one, I currently have 2 clients that insert floppy disks, and hit save on their WORD or Geneology program (it saves to the same place they opened the file from). I can't get either of them to grasp the idea that it doesn't save to the floppy just because it is in the drive. They are both older clients....but that shouldn't be an issue. Everytime I show them the save-as function, they just roll their eyes and say they are "too stupid to be learning this stuff." One of the 2 just said they will pay me to back up their stuff once every few months. That is fine.

  2. One thing by cow_licker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All recent files on there check once more for "authentic" installs once you run the downloaded file.

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    1. Re:One thing by garcia · · Score: 1

      Not the ones I downloaded. I couldn't get DirectX installed the other day (I bought and paid for XP from a retail store but MSFT doesn't believe it's a "genuine" key so I couldn't give a fuck less) but it worked with this little round-a-bout.

  3. IT'S A TRAP by SomeGuyFromCA · · Score: 2, Funny

    And how long before this gets worked around by bunches of Microsoft drones who suddenly somehow know about it?

    I got it! This was a plant by management at Microsoft to see how many of their staff come up to them saying that they read "somewhere" about a WGA hole!

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    1. Re:IT'S A TRAP by garcia · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh come on, someone at MSFT just wanted to get a new chair.

    2. Re:IT'S A TRAP by megaditto · · Score: 1

      1) Trick editors into accepting a fake story that nevertheless violates MSFT's rights under the DMC(P)A
      2) ...
      3) Profit?

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    3. Re:IT'S A TRAP by jb.hl.com · · Score: 1

      For some reason, that comment gave me an intriguing image of Steve Ballmer working in a sofa shop.

      Free delivery, naturally. By air mail.

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  4. WTF? by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 2, Informative

    Is this not old news?

  5. Isn't this illegal??? by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 2, Funny

    Isn't the WGA a form of content protection? Only a pirate and this is a serious felony. Publishing this will convince the children that theft is allowed.

    We must get homeland security involved.

    1. Re:Isn't this illegal??? by dzelenka · · Score: 1

      Troll? Who turned on the sarcasm filter?

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    2. Re:Isn't this illegal??? by Apoklypse · · Score: 1

      yes, troll, kindly get "your" little homeland / homeGROWN security involved and onboard, we the people would prefer to deal with the facts ...

    3. Re:Isn't this illegal??? by elyk · · Score: 1

      Or it might teach them an even more serious lesson; don't stick your nose in where it doesn't belong, and learn to just trust people, because they often live up to your expectations. Which is what micro$oft is doing with this. When they generally trusted the public, people didn't hesitate to buy their software. But since they're treating everyone like they're sure they're going to pirate the software, and imposing so many constraints on "genuine" software, many people don't see the "genuine advantage", and would rather pirate the software, because then they don't have to deal with all the validation.

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    4. Re:Isn't this illegal??? by Cal+Paterson · · Score: 1

      I don't know, but certainly not you.

    5. Re:Isn't this illegal??? by vtcodger · · Score: 1
      Of course it's illegal. I don't think anyone much cares. What you are seeing is another step toward the eventual (and probably inevitable) implosion of Intellectual Property law. For some reason IP owners seem unable or unwilling to grasp the simple fact that to be acceptable, DRM has to work (nearly) perfectly, not be intrusive, and not interfere with fair use. Much of Fair Use isn't really there as a sop to consumers. It's there to legitimize things that everyone knows consumers will do whether it is legal or not.

      There's a substantial gap between legality and actuality.

      Example. Most libraries in the US have coin operated photocopiers. It's a safe bet that at least 50% of the usage of those machines is technically illegal. What do you think the chances are that Copyright law will be enforced in libraries?

      In any case, WGA specifically should be a transitory problem. Anyone who doesn't have, and isn't implementing, a Microsoft exit strategy probably deserves (and will get) WGA and worse. It ought to be pretty obvious by now that WGA is another step toward Microsoft user lock-in -- and that it won't be the last such step. Why on Earth would any sane person allow themself to be locked into using MS software?

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  6. Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Doesn't an email address defeat the purpose of being an anonymous coward?

    1. Re:Hmm... by Surt · · Score: 5, Funny

      Doesn't an email address defeat the purpose of being an anonymous coward?

      I don't think you understand the momentousness of this occassion.

      HE'S THE GUY The anonymous coward. How many times have we been irritated with his postings? How often has he trolled? Now we finally know who he is! I foresee the greatest email bombing to ever hit the net in final retaliation for his long years of tormenting us all.

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    2. Re:Hmm... by GeffDE · · Score: 1

      Well, there are some people (shock!!) who don't have slashdot accounts. The only way they can post is by being an AC.

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    3. Re:Hmm... by SeaFox · · Score: 1
      HE'S THE GUY The anonymous coward.

      Wait, so did this guy post as AC but accidentally put his email address in? Or is he this Anonymous Coward?
    4. Re:Hmm... by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Oh, wait. Scratch that. I just noticed the spelling is different.

    5. Re:Hmm... by iabervon · · Score: 1

      Only if it's actually yours...

    6. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HE'S THE GUY The anonymous coward. How many times have we been irritated with his postings? How often has he trolled? Now we finally know who he is! I foresee the greatest email bombing to ever hit the net in final retaliation for his long years of tormenting us all.

      Please have mercy.


      Cowardly,
      The Anonymous Coward

    7. Re:Hmm... by Duds · · Score: 1

      I nearly registered as Autonomous Coward way back in the day.

    8. Re:Hmm... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      It must be a remarkably egoless existence. Arguing passionately for both sides of an issue, flaming other people you agreed with seconds ago, following up with "Mod Parent Up!" to your greatest enemies. Like being crazy perhaps. Or being God.

      In fact, did not Jesus say "Mod up thine enemies" and "Let he who has never trolled cast the first downmod". And the initials of Jesus Christ in the original Hebrew is better transliterated as AC. Come to think of it, the Torah repeatedly mentions the incomprehensibleness of God.

      Makes you think, doesn't it?

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  7. No WGA check on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well you could use DOS 6.22.... I'm sure that isn't checked.

    1. Re:No WGA check on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DOS 4.01 is a much better choice.

    2. Re:No WGA check on... by Technician · · Score: 1

      Too bad this was discovered. The more people understand DRM the more they look at alternatives. At home I have one machine converted to Ubuntu and have 5 more to go.

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  8. That was fast! by DittoBox · · Score: 1

    8 comments and the server is already screwed. Nice.

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    1. Re:That was fast! by treeves · · Score: 3, Funny

      The server at www.ghacks.net is taking too long to respond.

      Maybe they should ghack into some other servers and steal some bandwidth! Pfffft.

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    2. Re:That was fast! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is probably microsoft doing,
        - sue them??
        - bah takes too long.... just post it on /. that should take care of it

      lol

  9. basically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On each download page, add &Hash=6VJPCR9 to the url and you can download without the check.
    The code changes regularly, at which time you need mgadiag.exe to find the new code.

  10. Why the fuck.. by d_jedi · · Score: 0, Troll

    would you want to promote this method? The only real reason to go around WGA is if you're using a pirated copy of Windows. Does Slashdot promote piracy?

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    1. Re:Why the fuck.. by narzy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Some people just don't like to be frisked every time they want to download or install a piece of software. For me it is the equivalent of getting a cavity search every time I go to the airport. I really just don't enjoy my holes being probed at every turn. My copies of XP are valid and I could really do without WGA.

    2. Re:Why the fuck.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The really funny stuff comes when the BSD license is mentioned and how commercial companies that use the code entirely consistent with the license are "stealing" code.

      So.... using code in a manner consistent with the license == stealing.
      Linking to articles demonstrating how to continue using your pirated copy of windows == INFORMATION WANTS TO BE FREE!!! LOL M$ LOL

    3. Re:Why the fuck.. by alienmole · · Score: 2

      Nice kneejerk reaction, but the real reason to do this is if you have a legitimate copy of Windows, but don't want Microsoft's phone-home crap on your PC.

    4. Re:Why the fuck.. by topham · · Score: 5, Insightful


      As I mentioned in a post in a different article, I've had a painfully annoying run in with Window Activate while in the middle of a computer upgrade.

      The short description, XP decided it needed to Activate (could NOT log in without activating it), but I hadn't finished installing drivers; forcing me to phone up their support instead of doing it online.

      Then, because I had not yet installed the rest of the hardware (which; without the drivers installed were causing the machine to reboot, or bluescreen before windows even started). the Windows Activation bitched at me again when I was done. At least this time it gave me a 3 day window before it would deactivate; this gave me an opportunity to install the rest of the drivers, etc.

      This second time it forced me to call Microsoft again, even though the network connection was now working fine, because the machine had changed too much, and been activated too many times.

      Then it lead me to believe I could just use the automated method (the voice recognition is actually pretty good), but after reading a billion digits to the computer it decided I wasn't allowed to do it that way and passed me off to an operator.

      And you think I want to trust WGA if I need a hot-fix to add security patches, etc?

      The only people not having problems with Windows XP Activation and WGA are the damn pirates.

    5. Re:Why the fuck.. by Geminii · · Score: 1

      Of course not. You don't think Activation was designed to actually be secure, do you? It was designed to annoy enough of the genuine customers to make them think that the Authorities Were On The Case. Kind of like airport security.

    6. Re:Why the fuck.. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only real reason to go around WGA is if you're using a pirated copy of Windows.

      Incorrect. I, personally, have Windows machines, but I'm not foolish enough to let machines running Windows to have close connection to the Internet. So if I wanted to download updates I would want to do it from this NetBSD machine, which is what I customarily use for online things (and which is routed to the Internet).

      My Windows machines are authentic, and I have all the 'paperwork' and media to prove it. I'm just not gonna hang them out on the net.

      And it makes perfect sense that people who want to apply all the patches to secure a Windows system are going to want to get those updates first on an already secured system. Am I supposed to connect my machine with a freshly installed Day Zero copy of Windows 2000 (I pre-registered to pre-order Windows 2000 before it came out, so I have first release media with all the exploits, etc.) online to download security patches? Do I seem like I'm nuts?

    7. Re:Why the fuck.. by matt328 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As I mentioned in a post in a different article, I've had a painfully annoying run in with Window Activate while in the middle of a computer upgrade.

      I feel your pain. I provide all our company's in house tech support. If a machine goes down and needs a hard drive replaced, I don't fudge around calling up Microsoft when the WPA thing starts bitching. I have a utility that patches an operating system file, and bam, no more WPA or WGA bullshit. If they want to accuse me of being a pirate, they can come on in and look at the product key hologram stickers on every box I do this to. Its not that I'm pirating it, I just don't have time to jump through all their hoops. Alot of my users do all their work on the computer, and if its down for more than 2 hours or so I start to get flak.

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    8. Re:Why the fuck.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting, except that activation isn't required until 30 days after install, so I'm not sure how things panned out as you say ...

    9. Re:Why the fuck.. by westlake · · Score: 1
      For me it is the equivalent of getting a cavity search every time I go to the airport. I really just don't enjoy my holes being probed at every turn.

      I think someone has been scarfing up way too much porn on the side.

    10. Re:Why the fuck.. by anothy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      in addition to the other (entirely valid) reasons noted by folks for wanting to get around the horridly flawed idea of WGA authentication: i run windows inside emulation, generally without a direct real-world network connection. it's much nicer to be able to download bits in my native environment and move them over at my leisure.

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    11. Re:Why the fuck.. by d_jedi · · Score: 1

      Don't install WGA notifications (seperate download, unneeded to download genuine Windows software). No phone home. Problem solved.

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    12. Re:Why the fuck.. by notanatheist · · Score: 1

      Because you're a n00b. Original post stated doing an upgrade which means dropping a new board in and hoping Windows boots or doing a repair on the new hardware so you don't have to do a clean install. Once the OS is loaded it whines about massive earth shattering hardware changes requiring you to activate RIGHT NOW!! so the world doesn't end. Sometimes you get 3 days. Well, if you can't log into Windows to install drivers to try and activate online you have to call one of the ever friendly barely speaking engrish folks over in India with a shaft job reading numbers all day and having to put with me when I call on an almost daily basis (I'm a computer shop technician). Then, one you're activated and get your base drivers installed, make a few changes, and BAM! call Microsoft again because you keep screwing up your computer.

      Just an FYI, listen to the stupid recording, when it asks if you're calling to activate just press "0" to get transfered faster.

    13. Re:Why the fuck.. by fuzznutz · · Score: 1

      I had nearly the same experience. Except during the first call to India, I had read through all the numbers to the "customer care representative" and was promptly disconnected. I had to call and run through the same crap a second time just to get my damn drivers installed.

      I there wasn't already a bunch of technical software already installed (this machine interfaces to a GC/Mass Spec) I would have reinstalled from scratch with our VLK.

    14. Re:Why the fuck.. by kimvette · · Score: 1

      OK. Download Windows Defender from another computer, say, to a fileserver in a clean net/dirty net configuration. Now try running the installer on the other machine on the clean net, oops. guess what? It requires WGA to be installed in order for it to install. WTF?

      Microsoft has gone too far with this bullshit. Stop treating paying customers like criminals. All you folks are doing is alienating your legitimate customer base while not deterring the professional "pirates" in the slightest.

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  11. You Could Be Watched Though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Not having a valid windows system handy I was willing to run a somewhat questionable executable on, where could I get a valid hash? Oh hey, look at that. Right there in the article it says "(example &Hash=6VJPCR9)". I appended that to the URL, and bingo. "Genuine Microsoft Software".
    Keep doing that while Microsoft and the NSA logs your IP and puts it in a hash table with that string as a value.

    IPs with the same key value are pirates conspiring against our economy!
    1. Re:You Could Be Watched Though by Jade+E.+2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That building's connection is provided by a company on the top floor that NATs everything but the server rooms. There are something like 1500 users on that outgoing IP, including the open wireless network in the coffee shop on the first floor (and boy does it cause some interesting problems sometimes.) And a 7 digit alphanumeric hash of a 25 digit alphanumeric product key means there are roughly 8x10^19 collisions for each hash. (Less that that because not all the keys are valid, of course, but still.)

      Not worried.

  12. the real patch here by FudRucker · · Score: 2, Funny
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    1. Re:the real patch here by Horse+Rotorvator+JAD · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      the real patch here
      http://www.kernel.org/


      OMFGROFFLEZ!!1!!! Yuo r teh intarweb COMEDY GENIUS!!!!1!

    2. Re:the real patch here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you can not live without windows then enjoy living with the corporate pig that loves to molest you, dont forget your vaseline...

      this message was brought to you by a GNU

  13. Mirror for the lazy by stevetures · · Score: 5, Informative
  14. Re:Yes... by LinDVD · · Score: 1

    And the facts support your allegation can be found where exactly? None? That speaks volumes.

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  15. Generalized way to find the hashes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You don't even need some silly executable to find the daily hashes to append to the url. Microsoft provides a ready community where the latest codes are reported!

    1. Re:Generalized way to find the hashes by flyingfsck · · Score: 0

      Oh man, this is hillarious! Nice Google crack.

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  16. OMFG by antiWack · · Score: 0, Troll

    GG n00b.

    1. Re:OMFG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GG n00b.

      4Hhhhh hahahahahahaaa!!11!1 omg lol!!11! u r teh d00shbag!!!11!1

  17. The Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Download everything from Microsoft without WGA Check
    Monday, September 4th, 2006 | Translate to: German flag Spanish flag French flag Italian flag Portuguese flag Dutch flag Greek flag Japanese flag South Korean flag Russian flag Chinese flag

    When you want to download a file from Microsoft a WGA (windows genuine advantage) check is performed. Microsoft installs a small piece of software on your computer that contacts the Microsoft server and checks for validity. If the test fails you will not be able to download the file(s). The following method gives you the ability to download every file from Microsoft without a WGA check.

    All you need is the tool mgadiag.exe and the download url of the file that you want to download. Mgadiag.exe is the Microsoft Genuine Advantage Diagnostic Tool. Start this tool and check the value of the "Download Center Code", this should be seven chars consisting of upper case letters and numbers. Remember that code and open the website of the file that you want to download.

    A download page looks similar to this one for Internet Explorer 7. All you need to do is append the following value to the url and you will be able to download the file without a WGA check.

            &Hash="download center code"

    Replace the "download center code" with the code that you looked up in the mgadiag.exe tool. This code changes frequently, make sure you have the correct code before starting the downloads.

    To sum it up for the lazy ones:

          1. download mgadiag.exe
          2. start mgadiag.exe and look at the download center code
          3. visit a download page at microsoft.com
          4. append &Hash="download center code" to the url (example &Hash=6VJPCR9), no quotation marks needed
          5. Hit enter

    Microsoft is probably going to fix this soon, it is working nevertheless at the moment.

    Update: I created two images to show you the difference that the &hash= entry makes:

  18. Obvious alternate.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google..

    P2P..

    Thank you

  19. My trick by Megane · · Score: 1

    My trick is to download stuff via a Windows 2000 install. I've only done it once just the other day, but it was from a W2K installed from one of those install CDs that had a setup file changed to bypass the CD key. (for which everybody knows the "default" key anyhow, so this was really just to save me time when installing)

    Since I know that someday Microsoft will probably decide to take all the W2K patches offline, my plan is to download a copy of the installers for every patch that was auto-installed.

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  20. Redmond lawyers? Call 978-449-0444 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Send the cease and desist order to:

    Keith Dawson
    118-A Hollis Street
    Groton, Massachusetts
    01450-1355

  21. Crossover by Upaut · · Score: 1

    So far I have never had a problem with the WCT (Windows Checker Thingy) and my copy of Crossover Mac. So I cannot validate this proccess. On the other hand, Codeweavers seems to have solved this problem...

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  22. this is nothing by sdnoob · · Score: 3, Informative

    mgadiag.exe still 'phones home' to verify your windows and to obtain the download code (being a diagnostic tool, it also displays some additional license information).

    it's no different than running the manual verification using the 'alternate tool' (i.e. the method, still available, that firefox users had to use before microsoft released a netscape/firefox plugin version of the activex checker). http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=50344 (genuinecheck.exe at microsoft.com)

    the only thing this will bypass is the installation of the verification activex (or plugin)... so you're still being subject to the 'body cavity search' -- the only difference is that you get to choose when you drop your drawers...

    1. Re:this is nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      so you're still being subject to the 'body cavity search' -- the only difference is that you get to choose when you drop your drawers..

      Bullpuckey. I'm running WinNT4.0 which mgadiag.exe does not support.


      WGA Data-->
      Genuine Validation Status: Unsupported OS
      Windows Product Key: Failed to get Product Key.
      Windows Product Key Hash: Failed to get Product Key.
      Windows Product ID: Failed to get Product ID.
      Windows Product ID Type:
      Windows License Type:
      etc....

      Nevertheless, the "Download Center Code" still works for me, even on Firefox.

  23. Basically for patching a pirated copy of Windows? by BeeBeard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Many of us know firsthand that activating a Microsoft product can often be an onerous task, but this seems a little suspicious. Assuming that:

    1. someone owns a valid Windows license and
    2. they're pretty organized and didn't misplace their key and
    3. they believe that Microsoft does not collect private information using WGA

    then why would circumventing WGA be of use to them? In that situation, is patching a pirated copy of Windows the only realistic use for this trick? Could somebody chime in and suggest *another* use for it?

  24. que? by SpiritMaster · · Score: 1

    Microsofts solution to piracy is to charge even MORE money for Vista (up to $400 depending on the type). Ironically rather than lower the price to make it more attractive for people who would normally pirate it, they charge the legitimate people MORE which essentially encourages the legit people to pirate it. Following the huge WGA fiasco even the legitimate home users are going to be running pirated versions soon; as far as I can tell Microsoft only makes money off businesses.

    Microsoft and EA both seem to be engaged in some massive stupidity campaign with the way they are handling their customer base of late, and it seems to be a raidly emerging pattern that the bigger you are, the less you care about your customers. What really boggles the mind is even tho this defies all logic they still seem to stay afloat.

    1. Re:que? by SaDan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why not charge more? The more legit users they can get to pirate software, the more reason they have to implement DRM and other wasteful technologies to combat piracy, etc.

      They're making work for themselves, basically, and charging honest people a hell of a lot of money to stay honest.

      Good luck to them. I've finally collected the last pieces of the puzzle for Linux at home, and will be removing the last Windows machine (wife's PC) off of my network in a matter of weeks.

      No more fucking MS bullshit. Adios.

    2. Re:que? by flyingfsck · · Score: 0

      There are only two Windoze machines in my house (about 8 Linux). My notebook needs Windows to enable me to stay on top of the latest problems, but it mostly runs Linux. My son runs a cracked XP to play games. He has a Dell machine with a valid XP license, but he says that the cracked copy is quicker to re-install after the machine got hosed by something...

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  25. Mod parent troll by nonlnear · · Score: 0, Troll

    Maybe if the third condition (they believe that Microsoft does not collect private information using WGA) is not true, then circumventing WGA might have some perceived benefit. How does the Kool-Aid taste?

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  26. Why is Slashdot promoting piracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know the usual /. user hates MS, but why are you effectively promoting piracy by running this story.

    Shame on you.

  27. you're wrong by Martey · · Score: 2, Informative
    In that article, the editor claimed:
    Engadget does not provide a link to QTFairUse6, and neither will we.
    If you had read the Engadget article, or even looked at the comments, you would have realized that Engadget did provide a link.

    If anything, I think it was editorial laziness rather than ethics that resulted in that article not having a link.
    1. Re:you're wrong by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1

      Oh no... I think the intention was ethics, just "confounded" by Slashdot's usual rigorous editorial vetting.

    2. Re:you're wrong by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      Wait, Slashdot has editors?

  28. Download from Microsoft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would anyone want to download from Microsoft?

  29. A couple of options by krray · · Score: 3, Informative

    I prefer this method: go to AutoPatcher and choose your OS (Win2K, XP, 64, or 2k3). Benefit here is that they do have some nice registry tweaks and/or installers (TweakUI for example) all rolled in for you. Wonderful to bring a new install "up to speed" in as few clicks as possible and keep the file size requirements to a minimum.

    Don't trust somebody other than Microsoft themselves? (I can even write that with a straight face :)

    Go to: Microsoft Downloads and Search in the Windows sub-section. Search for "iso-9660". Be amazed. Problem with this is these downloads are huge (not that I mind on a 10Mbit synchronous pipe :) -- they cover the same Windows families, but to get one you have to download it ALL. This is, of course, good for multi-flavored environments...

    Me, myself, and I? I prefer to click on the Apple and choose "Software Update..." (or softwareupdate -ia from the command line). Of course on the servers a good 'ol fashioned "yum update" does the trick. But hey, that's just me. Microsoft is making this WAY TOO HARD -- and I've begrudgingly paid for each and every one of my Windows installs (personal and/or corporate).

    1. Re:A couple of options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What he said. Go AutoPatcher, never see Windows Update again or want to.WARNING! Except you have to watch you don't tick off every box in the AutoPatcher list, some of the files are WGA and updates - there are many options, study them carefully. Try installing Windows Installer latest version first by itself, then re-boot. I have found that every app and update installs smothly after this one is in on a fresh SP2 install.

    2. Re:A couple of options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      A Couple Of (alternative) Options:

      OS X
      LINUX

    3. Re:A couple of options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Autopatcher works jack shit on a German Windows. Useless.

  30. nanny nanny boo boo by HotGarbage · · Score: 1

    Thank GOD I don't have to do that shit anymore. I finally gave up on even my legal copy of XP and I use strictly Debian Linux. I haven't been asked for the first license key or anything. Funny how that works. And, you know, contrary to popular belief, My computer hasn't exploded, my pets haven't turned on me and I haven't missed a day of slashdot.

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  31. And This Is Supposed To Work...How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Right. I did this:

    Ran IE.
    Tools >> Windows Update
        I get the page with the choice of Express or Custom buttons.
    I replace: http://update.microsoft.com/windowsupdate/v6/defau lt.aspx?ln=en-us
        With: http://update.microsoft.com/windowsupdate/v6/defau lt.aspx?ln=en-us&Hash=6VJPCR9
    Then I press Enter.
        I get the page with the choice of Express or Custom buttons.
    I press the Custom button or the Express button.
        I get the page with the yellow/orange Genuine Windows Validation header.
    I press the continue button.
        I get page asking me to buy a key.
    Result: Doesn't work.

    I also did this:

    Ran IE.
    Copied and pasted link: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?Fa milyId=94E5BF41-2907-4415-8F72-DA7C2C2ACE09&displa ylang=en&Hash=6VJPCR9
    Pressed Enter.
        Successfully downloaded IE7 RC1 file.
    Ran file.
        IE7 installation wants to validate.
    Result: Doesn't work.

    So, if I can't view the page that shows which updates I need and, for the one file (IE7 RC1 install) I do know the name and location of, it ends up wanting to validate on its own anyway, what the bleeping use is any of this to begin with?

    1. Re:And This Is Supposed To Work...How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i had the same issue with IE7.

  32. An Alternative to Windows Update by towzzer · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://windowsupdate.62nds.com/ This site downloads all the updates using their own firefox plugin. It also doesn't install WGA or checks.

    1. Re:An Alternative to Windows Update by rob1980 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's interesting, but I'd sooner be caught naked in the streets than getting my OS updates off of some random site on the internet I know nothing about.

    2. Re:An Alternative to Windows Update by Kargan · · Score: 1

      I was a bit skeptical about WinDiz Update at first, but it actually seems to work pretty well. All the updates show up in Add/Rem Progs properly and everything's as stable as it ever was, so they must have installed okay as far as I can tell. It's actually a bit quicker than Windows Update too (big surprise, eh?).

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    3. Re:An Alternative to Windows Update by BeeBeard · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm in the same boat. Their patch site is reaallllyyy fishy. Usually I would see links to it in random forums along with comments from one-time posters like "I assure you it's 100% safe!" even before somebody raised the issue of security. Plus, a substantial number of virus checkers routinely flag their plugin and even their website as containing viruses. I was quickly scared away.

  33. muBlinder.. the best way to get around WGA by SilentCreep · · Score: 3, Informative
  34. Car Analogy by SteveTheRed · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Would you buy a car if you had to get your VIN checked every time that you needed to buy parts for it? Would you buy a car if you knew that there was going to be a manufacturer recall almost every day that required replacing or adding parts? I'll add a twist: what if you thought that same brand of car was the only brand allowed in your company parking lot? What if you thought that brand of car was the only brand of car that you could get parts for?

    I think that the above hypothetical scenario is a simple analogy of what I like to call "The Windows Problem". Nobody likes WGA. Nobody likes the endless parade of patches and hotfixes that require a reboot as often as not. Nobody likes having to be ever vigilant against security threats. People are starting to see that Windows is very flawed. Since we as a society have spent the majority of our IT budget for the last 20 years on making this one OS the (often) only platform for our IT solutions, how do we change course now?

    There are those who believe that once people hear the Good News about Linux they will throw off their Microsoft shackles and march hand-in-hand into the FOSS promised land. OK, maybe I overstated that a little, but you get the point and you know the type. Ubuntu is ridiculously easy to install, but my mother couldn't do it. She uses XP because that's what Dell installed on her computer. Even though she sees Windows as the only reasonable alternative, she still bitches about it. "Normal" people had a hard enough time getting Windows to do what they want it to do, and they'll be damned if they are going to learn it all over again.

    Unless everyone else switches first.

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    1. Re:Car Analogy by scum-e-bag · · Score: 1
      how do we change course now?

      Force all schools to use linux.
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    2. Re:Car Analogy by ArtStone · · Score: 1

      Here is a better analogy...

      Let's say that every time you went into an oil change facility, they recorded your mileage, license plate number, and date, and forwarded it off to a big central database.

      Now if you go to trade in your car, and last month it had 92,000 miles on it when you had your oil changed, and now it has 37,000 miles on it, would you be glad you let the oil change place gather its data?

      Of course, if you didn't turn back the odometer trying to unload the car and cheat the car dealer, you wouldn't care, would you?

      If only a small percentage of the software Microsoft sells was stolen, there would be no WGA software. It's the people who want to get something for nothing who end up provoking the responses of WGA, DRM, RIAA lawsuits... if you steal stuff, look in the mirror to see who is responsible for creating what you despise.

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  35. make money with free software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Easy, yes easy. I do some but I am not even a coder, yet I use code and computers to take in some coin. How?

      You make money with free software by getting a job at some company that uses computers, computers that use code. Some job some how some way. It is that easy. That's the whole idea. Trying to sell free stuff is rather stupid. Free software exists so that you and all the other computer guys can share the tools you need to work with. Works fine for that. That's what it was designed for and it's been around long enough to work pretty well. I would say 99% of business now uses computers and code-just get a job at one of those places. If you can figure out how to code, it shouldn't be much of a stretch to go get some computer wrangling job someplace if that is your primary interest. Selling code is last century. Using the code to do business and make money is *this century*. If you like it so much it becomes a serious hobby, more's the better, contribute to the pool of free to use tools. That's the idea. Everyone gets to use a big tool box to make money in some business. Trying to sell off the free tools is extremely niche and fading out fast, because it is no longer needed as much as it was 10 or 15 years ago.

    MS and the other "sell expensive code" shops are on the way out, buggywhips. By around 2020 or so they won't even exist, not much anyway, there will be so much code out there and tens of millions more coders and automatic "code writing code" machines that pure coders only as a stand alone job will be almost non existant. Most people with a normal minimal college education will know how to do some coding, running advanced code editors anyway, and most of the code you will be using day to day will be machine generated on demand if the stock configs need some adaptation. We are close to that now.

    blacksmith> machinist > CNC > robots > robots using CNC > nanoprint stuff in 3-d on demand (coming soon, follow the recipe or write your own)

    Coding is following that same path. Learn from history or repeat it, two choices. Hanging onto buggywhip business ideas is the quickest way to frustration and failure.

  36. That's right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Making light of national security is serious. This is the USA, you have no right to criticize the government!

  37. WGA even for "security" updates? by Killer+Eye · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is WGA applied universally to downloads, even ones meant to fix serious problems? Or, for instance, can you always download security patches without the rubber gloves?

    Probably not. I can imagine hundreds of illegal copies of Windows already taken over and turned into spam bots, etc. and thanks to WGA, there is no way to fix them. Can WGA keep these machines off the Internet, keep them from harming others? No.

    In time, networking protocols evolve, systems change, etc. so these wide-open networked machines will eventually lose some of their teeth. But not before another decade or so of anguish, thanks to Microsoft's unbelievable failure to accept responsibility.

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    1. Re:WGA even for "security" updates? by Michael_John · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, you can still get critical security patches even if you are running a bent copy of Windows, for exactly the reason you stated about machines getting zombied.

  38. Re:Proof? You want stinking proof? by LinDVD · · Score: 1

    You lose the edge of the discusssion when you start swearing because you don't really have a point to make. That speaks volumes.

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  39. For good reason too by ImaLamer · · Score: 1

    WGA has caused a machine of mine to reboot almost daily. I don't know exactly why, but every time it does there is a wga error log in the temp directory (with entries up to the time it rebooted). I've googled it and tried to find the exact cause, but none of the other solutions worked and no one else seems to have the same exact problem. I just get random reboots.

    The worst part is that I didn't even download WGA, it did it all by itself. I didn't have automatic updates on, but then one day it was on. The next day I had WGA installed, and the day after it started blue screening and rebooting. The odd thing is that now it is only rebooting once a week (ON MY PVR!!!) and now I can't send the error reports to Microsoft (Windows doesn't even noticed it crashed? Before it was at least logged, the memory was dumped and later could be sent off for analysis).

    This machine though is 100% legit. I've even paid for mpeg-2 decoding software, which I refused to pay for on other machines. For a while I thought it was bad hardware or drivers, now I know it's a feature! Basically, $800+ building a sweet PVR/HD gaming PC and it's unstable because of WGA. Usually I'm a Windows supporter (to a point). When you work it right you don't get a lot of problems. This eMachines I'm typing on has had Windows XP installed since the factory, March 2004. I've never had to re-install, or even fight it back into Windows (which is why I call shenanigans on Linux sysadmins who need to reinstall XP every six months. Hey bud, you aren't doing something right).

    I'm a fan of Windows - not Microsoft. WGA should die, but we all know this. I'm done ranting. Thank you.

  40. Two words, slapnuts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hardware. Firewall.

    Go get you some.

    1. Re:Two words, slapnuts. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Oh, come on. I have all that stuff. There's still no reason to connect a Windows machine to the 'net.

  41. Freezing the upgrade path, migrating, and dongles by StreetStealth · · Score: 1

    Same here, Win2K on my PC, the XP era having led to my switch to MacOS.

    There was just something that rubbed me wrong back then and still does today about having to marry the OS to the box, then having to verbally justify over the phone any hardware migration. While it was far from the only reason for migrating my non-gaming activities to Macs, it was the primary motivation for freezing my Windows upgrade path.

    On a related note...

    The fact that Adobe has now begun this practice is disturbing, though I suppose I can take consolation in the fact that Adobe allows you to "deactivate" an installation to move it rather than having to call them up and tell them your story. That said...

    Why can't we all just get a dongle?

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  42. Re:Basically for patching a pirated copy of Window by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about, oh, writing an automated download tool that snags all the installers right from microsoft? Since that idea will go over your head too, such a tool would be useful in the creation of unattended install discs or even an alternate patch distribution method that doesn't involve windows update.

  43. WTF by Agram · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What's wrong with this picture: a company (granted, not with much of a positive reputation) tries to minimize rampant piracy by encouraging validation of your purchased license. In return you get 5 years worth of free updates plus additional software, which although of dubious value is still free as in beer (i.e. Security Center, Firewall, Malicious Software Removal, etc.). Does Windows have tons of problems? Yes. Is it totally crappy? Hell. no. Is this move something to bitch about? Absolutely not. People especially from the Apple camp should hold their tongues as even though OSX is a lot less prone to exploits (it's not that simple but for the sake of conserving valuable bandwidth, let's leave it for the time being as such), since OSX release in 2001, if users wanted to keep-up with updates, we had to dish out $100/year for every incremental update since (and some of which were touting bug fixes as one of "hundreds" of new features). All in all, we are talking about another ~$500.00 since year 2001. Now, on Windows, yes one had to get anti-virus software et al, but most of that is, believe it or not, free (google for AVG anti-virus suite for instance). So, when the Vista comes out with a $400 price tag for the top enterprise package, I think that should still leave Windoze users with a nice Franklin smiling in their pockets. Now, as far as security and virii go, that's yet to be seen...

    All that being said, I've written this post on my triple-booting MBP. And just for the record: after having dealt for many years with all of them, I have to admit that I hate Windows, OSX, and Linux with passion (ok, Linux less so simply due to its philosophical supremacy), despite the fact that (or should I perhaps say because?) I use all three on a more-or-less daily basis...

  44. Your Wrong, kind of. by seann · · Score: 1

    windiz update will let you update versions of windows that Microsoft thinks is not registered correctly.

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    1. Re:Your Wrong, kind of. by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      windiz update will let you update versions of windows that Microsoft thinks is not registered correctly.

      It also lets you use Firefox instead of IE to grab your updates, which is reason enough to prefer it.

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  45. wee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did something similar to this by accident earlier. I was looking for Windows Defender, the antispyware proggy. I went to MS site, saw the WGA check, thought I can't be bothered. I went to google, searched for "windows defender" and on the first page, there was direct link to windows defenders .msi-file. Fascinating.

  46. But seriously though by FoamingToad · · Score: 1

    Not certain if it's been mentioned here earlier, but Windows 98 isn't checked (I have an old games box at home running on that OS). It's behind a NAT router and reasonably protected against malcode.

    Similarly, I don't recall this posing a problem under Windows Server 2003, which I also run. Anecdotally I've heard that its memory management is slightly better than WinXP's.

    The other friendly feature of Windows 2003 is the repeated adding of trusted web sites to your browser list in IE, which promotes use of Firefox better than anything else.

  47. Re:Freezing the upgrade path, migrating, and dongl by rtb61 · · Score: 1

    Microsoft also knew which was the better operating system, they charged more for win2kpro than they did for xp. Kind of boogles the mind that according to their pricing the older operating system was worth more and according to their marketing the older operating system was worthless and only fit to be upgraded to the latest operating system. I once spoke to a microsoft rep and he challenged me on downgrading from a legal copy of XPpro to win2kpro with out paying them (for what, the downgrade package ????!!).

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  48. How responsible by curtisk · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "Today on Slashdot: How to bypass a companies attempt to disrupt piracy of their product"

    I'm waiting for "How to download from (pay)iTunes without paying for it" and "Circumvent Payment in Valve's Steam"

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  49. Works with WINE... by CrezzyMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ran MGADiag on Wine / Fedora Core 5 and the hash it spat out worked like a charm.

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  50. Just another day at Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DRM and copy protection by commercial companies gleefully mocked and joyously cracked. GPL still sacred.

  51. Dear God Why? by Fysiks+Wurks · · Score: 1

    "...The following method gives you the ability to download every file from Microsoft without a WGA check."
    Why would I want to inflict such heinous damage to my computer? Every File from M$? I'm trying to minimize the number of malware, spyware, etc. on my system!

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  52. Use screen -xRR by ShecoDu · · Score: 1

    Send an argument to the ssh client, telling it to execute "screen -xRR" (those are the default arguments screen use when it runs as a login shell), with these args, whenever you connect you will re-attach to the same session you were running.

    Avoid setting up screen as a login shell via /etc/passwd because that breaks scp and sftp, I havent tested but I guess they would break too if you added screen to .bashrc (as other posters have stated), because scp and sftp depend on having bash when connecting.

  53. Re:Basically for patching a pirated copy of Window by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, I have a legal windows copy. But often I need to install stuff on Linux (using WINE).
    Fortunately, WINE actually passes the WGA check flawlessly. And certain stuff is very much installable (such as Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player)

    So, to answer you're question: no, i don't have a use for it.

    But I do know some people who (not so slash-dottedly intelligent) have had to reinstall windows on a PC without having the correct OEM-CD. (They never got one) However, the cd-key on their PC/Laptop did not work: since it was meant for a special OEM version of which they don't have a CD.

    Technically it is problely still pirating, but with any 'normal' ethical standards: they paid for windows, so it's not piracy. But they still can't update and have to use all these tricks and such.

    But i'm able to switch more and more of them to Linux: since they are not going to buy it again and they are often not technically suffient to keep up with updates and such this hard way. (and I dont' do windows support for my friend and family anymore).

    So in the end I actually think microsoft is loosing customers. Because now they are used to linux. If they buy a PC again they won't need or pay for windows. Some of them are really pissed they are called pirates btw. They did pay. But their windows just got messed up.

    Before some I one states the obvious: I did tell them to backup their system, i've given them links to the type of software that will do that for you. But they (regular computer users) don't get off their but until its too late.

  54. Alternative workaround by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't believe anyone hasn't posted this yet. This is a much easier way to get downloads on Windows XP.

    1) Download the genuinecheck.exe file from the MS Download Centre site.
    2) Run it in Windows 2000 compatability mode
    3) Copy and paste the generated code into the appropriate box on the MS site
    4) Download your heart out

  55. "Alternative" method by Warbothong · · Score: 1

    The apps I have tried downloading (just to see if it would work you understand, I wouldn't actually use them) have asked to install some WGA software, but underneath they offer an "alternative" method, which involves getting a tiny app which outputs a code which you then enter into the site. This app works perfectly well in a regular WINE installation and checks out as having a Genuine Microsoft Windows System, thus letting a GNU/Linux user download Windows Media Player, Internet Explorer, etc. I don't know whether this is relevant or not, and I assume that option will disappear once WGA is firmly entrenched in every Windows installation, but I thought I should point it out.