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Firefox Accepting Feature Suggestions for Version 3

Krishna Dagli writes to mention an article over at Ars Technica discussing the Firefox team's call for feature suggestions. Version 3 of the software is already in the works, and the team members are looking to the community for ideas on where to go next. From the article: "The wish list is long indeed, and it provides an insight into the desires of the browser community, and a look at the open source development process. While closed-source projects often ask their user community for feedback on requested features, the process is not usually open to the public. For Firefox 3, anyone can both suggest new features and comment on other people's suggestions. The feature requests are divided into categories, such as browser customization, privacy features, security, history, download manager, and other areas. There are suggestions for features found in other competing browsers, such Safari, IE 7 beta, and Opera. IE7 seemed to be featured most prominently, with requests for "low-rights mode," as well as more cosmetic features like skins that mimic Microsoft's browser."

422 comments

  1. slashdot first post tool by gd23ka · · Score: 0, Redundant

    that is what firefox needs!

    1. Re:slashdot first post tool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you were a Mac and I were a PC, my response would be touche. Touche.

    2. Re:slashdot first post tool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had an account on slashdot for I don't how long but I never had a fp. But then I only
      tried to get one a couple of times in all that time. Now I have satisfied this inner craving.
      I have now achieved that especially deliciously equilibrium between physical conscious mind
      and the esoteric superconsciousness that links our spirits throughout existence.

  2. OS Logo? by pdbaby · · Score: 5, Funny

    An open source logo? :-) *duck* Au revoir, monsieur karma

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    1. Re:OS Logo? by also-rr · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Hello to the person who modded this down! (As overrated no less.)

      The above comment is funny. In fact, it's geek humour. This being slashdot we like:

      Geek humour.
      Corrections to the article.
      Massivly technical explanations on related subjects that enlighten us.

      Things we do not like:

      Moderators who are too used to Digg and mod down anything they personally don't like, even if it's factually correct and/or relevant and/or insightful humour, having the gall to cancel out the mod points of someone who, despite only getting given points every few months, still thought the comment was funny enough to mod up.

      May I direct your attention to the setting which allows you to apply a penalty of -lots'o'points to anything marked as "funny" so that you personally never see anything entertaining again.

      Thank you for your attention. That is all.

    2. Re:OS Logo? by mkoenecke · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Since I'm only a geek by avocation, rather than by vocation, um... I don't get it. What's so funny about "An open source logo," other than the general idea that that would be a pointless mission-statement-ish waste of energy?

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    3. Re:OS Logo? by BKX · · Score: 1

      Haven't you heard about Debian and its "Iceweasel" (Seamonkey?) debacle? If you had, and had understood its implications, the joke would have been somewhat funny.

    4. Re:OS Logo? by pdbaby · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's a reference to the trouble Debian are having with Mozilla (shall we call it the IceWeasel debacle?) - Debian only includes Free[tm] packages and files in their distribution, the Firefox logo isn't Free. So Debian created their own logo for firefox, and use that instead. But Mozilla don't like that, and asked them to either use the firefox logo or stop calling it firefox

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    5. Re:OS Logo? by Vexorian · · Score: 1

      What is an open source logo? Since when do we compile images?

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    6. Re:OS Logo? by mqduck · · Score: 4, Funny

      shall we call it the IceWeasel debacle?

      It's Weaselgate, damnit.

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    7. Re:OS Logo? by MynockGuano · · Score: 1

      SVG?

    8. Re:OS Logo? by mkoenecke · · Score: 1

      Ah. Yes, I'd heard of that, but it didn't register as a major issue, as I'm afraid I'm still stuck in the Windows world (I'm a lawyer, and there are various commercial software products I use which aren't available for Linux).

      As long as I'm being modded down for being offtopic: it *is* tempting to switch from Firefox to IceWeasel, just because it's such a cool name. ("Yeah, I'm using IceWeasel to browse nowadays. Firefox is *so* yesterday.")

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    9. Re:OS Logo? by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 0

      Maybe he moderated it as "overrated" because of the transparent(and succesful) attempt to manipulate moderators with his claim that he is going to lose karma for the post.
      Personally, I skip over reading any comment that contains, "I'll get moderated down for this". I never thought of moderating them as overrated before. I think I will start doing that since I just got another 5 mod points. Thanks for the tip. :)

    10. Re:OS Logo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://lists.debian.org/debian-lex/ No recent posts in this one, but feel free to post something, anything (it can't get worse, can it, you'd be competing against spam:-)

    11. Re:OS Logo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. Fuck Digg.

    12. Re:OS Logo? by Rayor · · Score: 1
      You don't compile SVG, it's a markup language. Like XML or HTML. Example:
      <?xml version="1.0"?>
      <!DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD SVG 1.1//EN" "http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.1/DTD/svg11.dtd" >
      <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" version="1.1" width="128px" height="128px" id="RSSicon" viewBox="0 0 256 256">
      <defs>
      <linearGradient x1="0.085" y1="0.085" x2="0.915" y2="0.915" id="RSSg">
      <stop offset="0.0" stop-color="#E3702D"/><stop offset="0.1071" stop-color="#EA7D31"/>
      <stop offset="0.3503" stop-color="#F69537"/><stop offset="0.5" stop-color="#FB9E3A"/>
      <stop offset="0.7016" stop-color="#EA7C31"/><stop offset="0.8866" stop-color="#DE642B"/>
      <stop offset="1.0" stop-color="#D95B29"/>
      </linearGradient>
      </defs>
      <rect width="256" height="256" rx="55" ry="55" x="0" y="0" fill="#CC5D15"/>
      <rect width="246" height="246" rx="50" ry="50" x="5" y="5" fill="#F49C52"/>
      <rect width="236" height="236" rx="47" ry="47" x="10" y="10" fill="url(#RSSg)"/>
      <circle cx="68" cy="189" r="24" fill="#FFF"/>
      <path d="M160 213h-34a82 82 0 0 0 -82 -82v-34a116 116 0 0 1 116 116z" fill="#FFF"/>
      <path d="M184 213A140 140 0 0 0 44 73 V 38a175 175 0 0 1 175 175z" fill="#FFF"/>
      </svg>
      Copy that to plaintext editor and save it with the extension .svg. Then view it in something that supports SVG like Firefox or GIMP.
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    13. Re:OS Logo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Over-rated is a legitimate moderation for an unfunny comment that has been modded up as "funny". Particularly really obvious "jokes" that a five year old would *maybe* snigger at.

    14. Re:OS Logo? by james_gnz · · Score: 1

      Just to expand on this, Debian considers trademarks to be compatible with free software, but proprietary copyrights not to be. The Firefox logo is covered by both. Mozilla's FAQ justifies it thus:

      The logos themselves are the trademark, but the actual logo files are in the domain of copyright. You could release the files under an open source license while maintaining trademark rights. Why don't you do that?

      Because it would gain nothing, and lead to far more infringing uses of our marks. In practice, there is no use for the files except as expressions of our trademarks, so the rights associated with an open source license don't add anything.

      I understand the Mozilla Corporation is also currently applying for patent rights for their logos, and considering having modification of them declared to be circumvention of a technological protection measure...

    15. Re:OS Logo? by FLEB · · Score: 1

      I haven't followed the guts of the issue, so I'll ask: Is the Debian POV that although someone shouldn't be able to use the trademark (and misrepresent the source of the product), they should be able to create derivative but dissimilar marks? I don't see much other use of a (C)No/(TM)Yes logo.

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    16. Re:OS Logo? by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1

      If it's just the name you want, you should try the Firesomething extension.

      I think it came out around the time that the Firebird -> Firefox announcement was made (only months after the Phoenix -> Firebird transition happened).

    17. Re:OS Logo? by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1

      PostScript, then?

    18. Re:OS Logo? by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the "overrated" moderation. Gave me a good laugh. :)

    19. Re:OS Logo? by james_gnz · · Score: 1
      I haven't followed the guts of the issue, so I'll ask: Is the Debian POV that although someone shouldn't be able to use the trademark (and misrepresent the source of the product), they should be able to create derivative but dissimilar marks? I don't see much other use of a (C)No/(TM)Yes logo.

      Yes. Debian comes with over 15,000 packages, all of which are classified into one of three sections:

      • 'main' -- packages that comply with the Debian Free Software Guidelines and do not depend on other software which doesn't
      • 'contrib' -- packages that comply with the DFSG, but do depend on other software that doesn't
      • 'non-free' -- packages that do not comply with the DFSG

      The DFSG requires that "The license must allow modifications and derived works". Debian do not want to change the DFSG, according to which over 15,000 packages have been classified, just for Mozilla Corporation, especially since there is absolutely no point in doing so. Mozilla Corporation's trademarks are already trademarked. They do not need to be copyrighted too. Therefore, instead of changing the DFSG, they chose not to use the Firefox logo.

    20. Re:OS Logo? by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      Sorry, that's not compiled either.

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    21. Re:OS Logo? by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1

      So what? The great, great, great grandparent wrote:

      What is an open source logo? Since when do we compile images?

      Both SVG and PostScript (as well as XCF, PSD, and any other preferred form of an image for making modifications to it) can be source code for an image. Furthermore, image source formats are often compiled into other, more opaque formats.

      Are those examples not good enough for you? Well, how about fonts? They're copyrighted, but the typefaces they represent are cannot be (at least in the U.S.).

      Of course, we'd avoid all this confusion if we talked about free software/logos/images/fonts, rather than "open source". On the other hand, it's largely irrelevant, because the Firefox logo thing is a trademark issue, which is generally considered beyond the scope of both free and open source software.

  3. number 1 request by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ooooh. oooh. ponies!

    1. Re:number 1 request by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The slashdot extension ought to have an OMG Ponies theme built into it. Taco's wife would be proud.

      In FF3 I'd like to see integrated .torrent downloading, or at the very least a default Add On button in the corner of the window, so there's no menu a noob has to click into to install features that may become standard in other browsers. That way they are only 3 clicks away from installing a new feature, instead of missing out because it's part of a long menu with no highlighting graphic even.

    2. Re:number 1 request by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Really? If you were going to teach a man to pee, would you insist on holding it for him the first time, to make sure he got it right, or would you just maybe show him, or even, sort of show him, so he hopefully got the idea?

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    3. Re:number 1 request by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 1

      You haven't taught a granny to use a computer before, have you? Or maybe I shouldn't say granny, but someone unwilling to learn a computer - yet required to either for their work or communication needs.

      Your analogy stinks, and is sorta sick too, to boot.

    4. Re:number 1 request by maxume · · Score: 1

      Of course it stinks and is a little sick, I was making fun of you. It's even more hilarious that it got modded insightful.

      As far as training people that need their *hands* held when using a computer, they aren't really the people who are going to be using extentions, are they? Even more, installing them. Cluttering up the default browser in the name of making it idiot friendly is a bad idea, especially when it makes it suck a little more for everybody else.

      I'd be perfectly happy with a default bookmark that looked something like
      "Firefox and Mozilla Links -> Themes and Extensions"
      or some such way of pointing people that aren't drooling in the right direction. Of course, that is what 1.5 does.

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    5. Re:number 1 request by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 1

      "As far as training people that need their *hands* held when using a computer, they aren't really the people who are going to be using extentions, are they?"

      Sure they are. Again, you've never seen someone install a weatherbug/spyware, when they could have had a clean Forecast Fox instead?

    6. Re:number 1 request by maxume · · Score: 1

      Not really. Of all the people that I have 'converted' to firefox(4?), I don't think any of them are even aware of extensions. I don't think any of them have spyware problems either. Of course, my conversion process consists of 'You aren't using Firefox?? There's tabs!', so there ya go. I'll reiterate the part where they probably don't need to be installing extensions.

      BTW, in my last comment, I should have said I was making fun of your comment, I wasn't really trying to be vindictive, and saying 'making fun of you' comes across worse.

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    7. Re:number 1 request by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 1

      Thanks for clarifying. Being insulted by someone on the web doesn't ruin my day, but making it clear that you were bugging my comment is a nice thing to do.

    8. Re:number 1 request by FLEB · · Score: 1

      One problem with that stance, though, is the idea that (I think this was a major part of the fork from Mozilla, right?) the browser was supposed to be barebones (as far as bells and whistles), with functionality added on a user-preference basis via easily-created extensions. Steps to make extensions easier and more transparent, even for Grandma, mean that FF can stay lightweight while being able to boast a wider range of functionality.

      Actually, I'd like to take a look and see what suggestions there are regarding Extension rollbacks. I know I've had the problem where a poorly-formed or incompatible extension will disfigure Firefox's main view until I wipe the Profile completely. A safety-net backup when extensions are installed would be a nice addition.

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    9. Re:number 1 request by maxume · · Score: 1

      I don't think they were aiming for barebones as much as they were aiming for the ability to keep stuff out some of the time. The Mozilla development process had gotten to the point where nobody could keep stuff out, and anybody could put stuff in. Firefox was all about ownership and feature drivers; accountability and actual goals made it work.

      My personal take on extentions is that they are a great way to keep strange stuff out of the base browser and also a great way to test new features and take a look at different ways of implementing them, all without having to worry over the impact on mainline development.

      Draggable tabs are a good example of this, it isn't anything anybody needs, but there isn't any reason to keep it out of the base either.

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    10. Re:number 1 request by enharmonix · · Score: 1
      Actually, I'd like to take a look and see what suggestions there are regarding Extension rollbacks. I know I've had the problem where a poorly-formed or incompatible extension will disfigure Firefox's main view until I wipe the Profile completely. A safety-net backup when extensions are installed would be a nice addition.
      Second that. Anything they can do to allow us to undo anything done by an add-on. And for more reasons than just configuration problems (https://addons.mozilla.org/search.php?app=firefox &q=toolbar+anonymous+usage). I'd even go so far as to say require add-ons to be sand-boxed (e.g., Java-only). In addition to solving portability issues, this would really help w/ damage control.
  4. status line by rs232 · · Score: 1

    How about having system prompts popping up in tha status bar instead of popup. And put the contents of the Bookmarks on the menu at the top.

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    1. Re:status line by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 4, Informative
      And put the contents of the Bookmarks on the menu at the top.
      View -> Toolbars -> Customize... -> drag "bookmarks" icon to your menu bar at the top.
    2. Re:status line by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      Amen! And for chrisakes don't steal the focus when I hit a site that requires login. I start firefox, load my previous session ,start to do 'other things', and Firefox is popping in fron asking for authentication. Damned irritating. Stay in the background where I put you!

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    3. Re:status line by makomk · · Score: 1

      Worse, at least some versions of KDE disable focus-stealing prevention for Firefox by default...

    4. Re:status line by SteveAyre · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure whether this is what he meant, but I would personally like to see the ability to add extra bookmark toolbars. Currently you can only have one, showing the contents of the Bookmarks Toolbar Folder; I'd quite like the ability to have more than one and link each to a different bookmark folder. So far as I know, there is no way to do this in any of the current versions.

    5. Re:status line by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      Ugh. I'm getting very sick of applications determining when I *must* pay attention to them, rather than letting me determine when I will pay attention to them. It's far more prevailant under Windows, but Linux apps seem to be heading this way to. Is it any wonder I prefer the command-line? At least I don't have some xterm clamoring for my attention when it's ready for more input...

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  5. Microsoft Killer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since we know the reverse question is asked at Microsoft strategy meetings, what features can we add to Mozilla Firefox make Internet Explorer a less desirable browser? Should Mozilla Firefox strive not to follow web standards like Microsoft, or is that not a very good strategy?

  6. Take out Canvas and the like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Canvas is just the sort of ad hoc extension that made the 1990's browser wars such an unproductive time for developers. If Firefox/Moz isn't going to focus on standards why should Microsoft. Check out this official documentation on Canvas.

    For the most part, <canvas> is compatible with Apple's and other implementations. There are, however, a few issues to be aware of....

    If fallback content is desired, some CSS tricks must be employed to mask the fallback content from Safari (which should render just the canvas), and also to mask the CSS tricks themselves from IE (which should render the fallback content). Todo: get hixie to put the CSS bits in
    (Bold in the original)

    1. Re:Take out Canvas and the like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand canvas at all, it should definately be an optional extension but WTF happened to APNG?

  7. Keep it simple ... by schwit1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Make it fast, compliant and secure. Leave everything else to extensions.

    1. Re:Keep it simple ... by BlueCodeWarrior · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mod parent up. This is exactly what I want out of a browser. Make it secure, make it 100% compliant, and then work on speed.

      Yeah, pick two, I know...

    2. Re:Keep it simple ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Make it fast, compliant and secure. Leave everything else to extensions.


      I take it you haven't read the CSS specs. There's no way that you're going to make it "fast" and "compliant" at the same time. You'll have to chose one of them. The reason some browsers feel fast today is because we have fast computers or they skip corners when it comes to the standards.

      Oh, one good step would to make an "force xml mode", in which xhtml is allowed, but non xml-compilent markup is rejected. I'm only guessing, but if the render engine doesn't have to be bothered by guessing, it can be made a little faster, even though it's marginal. Also, it would make browsing more interesting; you visit all those "Valid XTHML 1.0!"-sites and quickly realize they aren't.
    3. Re:Keep it simple ... by onion2k · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And, as an addendum to that, make extensions run in some sort of "protected memory" area so they can't take the browser down with them. If that's not possible at least make instances of the browser run seperately so a crash doesn't take down the whole lot.

    4. Re:Keep it simple ... by edxwelch · · Score: 1

      Sounds reasonable.
      Except who's going to write the extensions?
      Extensions are currently written by unpaid voluteers and now these extensions would be replacing signficant functionality from the browser

    5. Re:Keep it simple ... by pile0nades · · Score: 1

      Doing that would make 80% of the internet unreadable.

    6. Re:Keep it simple ... by GreatBunzinni · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is exactly what I wish firefox was and what I thought was the project's prime goal. It would be great if Firefox was as modular as it could be instead of seeing that feature getting eroded with time. For example, it would be great if the search bar was converted into a pure extension.

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    7. Re:Keep it simple ... by Chris_Jefferson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, I think that firefox's reliance on extensions is rapidly becoming a problem. For so many features I'm told to "get a plugin", which often isn't being maintained to the same high standard as the rest of the browser.

      I'm happy for many features to be in extensions and a lean, mean version to be provided for those who want it. I'd also like a "bloated" browser as well, full of plugins that are considered useful, carefully maintained, and also checked to make sure they all work well together.

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    8. Re:Keep it simple ... by LindseyJ · · Score: 1

      "More interesting"? When I go to surf the web, I generally just want to load up a page and read it. I don't go spending hours of my time looking for pages that - while perhaps coded 'incorrectly' - still display just fine in my browser.

    9. Re:Keep it simple ... by drsquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

      On the contrary, include more things by default. Hunting down extensions for every little bit of functionalty is a pain in the arse.

    10. Re:Keep it simple ... by grazzy · · Score: 1

      And see mozilla lose out on the 50+ million bucks it genereates? http://www.calacanis.com/2006/03/06/firefox-mozill a-corporation-mozilla-foundation-made-72m-last/

      Dont think soo.

    11. Re:Keep it simple ... by debrain · · Score: 4, Insightful

      By default, build in functionality to hunt down every little extension that covers all that extra functionality.

    12. Re:Keep it simple ... by Man+of+E · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Make it fast, compliant and secure. Offer two versions for download:
      - Barebones, browser only, users must install their own extensions. Most geeks will want this one.
      - Some common and supported extensions preinstalled to support features included in competing browsers. Most people will want this one.

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    13. Re:Keep it simple ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe you are being very optimistic. I searched around a little for those "Valid XHTML!"-logos, and klicked on them on various sites. I don't think a single one of them validated properly. I didn't get warnings, but errors.

      Anyway, I can see my point was completely lost on people, so I'll try again: Something needs to be done to force idiot webmasters to start following the standards, if there's a browser with a "force xhtml"-mode, perhaps people (users and idiot webmasters) will start noticing that pages all over the Internet are broken. I know that forcing xml validity would directly make 99% of the web not viewable, but that was kind of the point.

    14. Re:Keep it simple ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no reason the Firefox team couldn't move some of the currently built-in functionality to extensions they write themselves.

    15. Re:Keep it simple ... by Cl1mh4224rd · · Score: 4, Interesting
      By default, build in functionality to hunt down every little extension that covers all that extra functionality.
      By default, include the functionality... as extensions. That way you can disable or uninstall a feature you don't want. Maybe the installer (in Custom mode) could even ask which of these features you want installed initially.
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    16. Re:Keep it simple ... by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Insightful
      build in functionality to hunt down every little extension that covers all that extra functionality.
      More choice isn't always a great idea.

      https://addons.mozilla.org/search.php?app=firefox& type=E&appfilter=firefox&perpage=10&left=1870

      1,880 extensions is waaaay to much for any computer n00blet to wade through.

      Even if you assume that 75% are dupes, 470 is still a lot of discreet options to wade through.

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    17. Re:Keep it simple ... by celardore · · Score: 1
      - Barebones, browser only, users must install their own extensions. Most geeks will want this one.
      - Some common and supported extensions preinstalled to support features included in competing browsers. Most people will want this one.

      Geeks are people too =(

    18. Re:Keep it simple ... by mqduck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The solution seems simple to me. Move all the extra features to extensions, bundle those extensions with the browser, and turn them on in a "default" installation. Won't confuse your average user and would make the lean-and-meaners happy. Those of us with a bit more knowledge can disable the extensions we don't use, providing a benefit for people like me (and I suspect most others) who don't like to whine about Firefox bloat, but still think no more bloat than necessary is a good idea.

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    19. Re:Keep it simple ... by Simulant · · Score: 1

      I second that... Make multiple versions if you have to but please keep a lean, mean, compliant version available.

    20. Re:Keep it simple ... by kryptkpr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are you proposing loading up a new instance of Firefox for every open window? I regularly use both windows AND tabs, and it's not uncommon for me to have 4-5 windows open (1 window = 1 research subject, and windows have many tabs in them all relating to the same subject). Your proposal would quadruple the memory requirements on Firefox for my system.

      If such a feature is included, I would like to be able to turn it off. My firefox very, very rarely crashes (once every few *months* Java or Flash bring it down). If you're having crashing problems, you should start up a new profile and re-install your extensions one by one to see which one is causing you the grief.

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    21. Re:Keep it simple ... by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      I find that the HTML Validator plugin with the new v0.833 is useful for checking if XHTML pages validate. The new version uses the same parser, OpenSP, as the W3C's web based validation service, which means it gives the exact same errors and warnings as you would get from the W3C service.

      Furthermore, it works in realtime, which means you get this validation just by viewing the page, so it works on web apps where you need to log in to view. No more viewing source, saving it as an external file and then sending that to the W3C validation service!

      I don't think we need a feature to cripple FF such that it refuses to load invalid pages, a gentle reminder in the shape of a red error icon is good enough to ensure developers are aware of the validity of their work without destroying the usefulness of the browser. Get HTML Validator! It's the goods.

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    22. Re:Keep it simple ... by MrNaz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Barebones, browser only, users must install their own extensions. Most geeks will want this one."

      That's what FF is supposed to be. I don't know why they are putting in all kinds of profiles features and crud, but FF was supposed to be the barebones browser that wa included in the Mozilla suite.

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      I hate printers.
    23. Re:Keep it simple ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      YES! KISS! I just want it to start quickly and load pages FAST! Not sure of others' experiences, but on my Fedora box, Firefox is a dog (and yes I tried all the config hacks that are supposed to work). On the same machine as a dual boot, Firefox for Windows XP runs much faster and loads pages much faster...

      If someone wants feature X, Y, or Z, let them have it, but make it an option if it slows down the browser.

    24. Re:Keep it simple ... by Theovon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good thinking. Some people agree with you, adding this to the wiki:

      Plugins
        Run plugins as a independent process, that talks with firefox via a socket or something like this. If a plugin crash it doesn't take firefox with it. It also allow one to kill a locked or high load plugins and keep surfing.
        Run plugins as a independent process, so that when they leak memory, that memory will be freed when the tab or window is closed.
        Run plugins as a independent process, so that when a plugin refuses to shut down (like acroread), the browser can forcibly kill it.

      Stability and resource-utilization improvements
      Put each document into an independent process (not thread: separate forked process) so that:
        When a document causes Firefox to crash, the whole browser won't be taken with it.
        When a bug in Firefox stomps on memory it doesn't own, other documents in memory are not corrupted.
        When a document causes Firefox to leak massive amounts of memory, closing that tab or window will free up the wasted memory.
        When a bug in Firefox or a script on the page locks up (infinite loop or whatnot), the whole browser will not hang up, just the one document. Closing the tab or window kills the aberrant process. This is also an issue for DNS lookup; the browser always freezes completely during DNS lookup. Make this affect only the document being loaded.
        Obviously, this also means that the Firefox main UI should also be in a separate process, and you should use IPC and sharing of window-system resource IDs and handles to communicate between UI and document processes.
        When the UI crashes, restarting the UI can sweep up documents that find themselves unattached and re-present them undisturbed.
        Cross-site scripting and buffer overflow exploits have a much harder time hacking into information for other documents, because they are inaccessible in separate processes.

    25. Re:Keep it simple ... by Dausha · · Score: 1

      I'd like to expand on this.

      * Package installs---where a suite of extensions suitable to a given task are grouped. For example, web developers favor certain extensions that help them do their work. Others may want a Google suite, etc.

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    26. Re:Keep it simple ... by rkcallaghan · · Score: 1
      TubeSteak wrote:
      More choice isn't always a great idea.
      1,880 extensions is waaaay to much for any computer n00blet to wade through.
      Even if you assume that 75% are dupes, 470 is still a lot of discreet options to wade through.
      I agree with you completely. There really should be a top ten extensions list or some other similar method for a 'n00blet' to get started easily. After that perhaps they could we could get a keyword search; in case someone was looking for a feature not found in the top ten.

      ~Rebecca
    27. Re:Keep it simple ... by TheGavster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd also like a "bloated" browser as well, full of plugins that are considered useful, carefully maintained, and also checked to make sure they all work well together.

      It's called Opera, and works like a charm.

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    28. Re:Keep it simple ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After that perhaps they could we could get a keyword search; in case someone was looking for a feature not found in the top ten.

      You're asserting that n00bie computer users are going to go searching for features?

      what fantasy land are you living in?

    29. Re:Keep it simple ... by fmobus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I believe that, in most cases, the problems lies in the page generation. I guess most webmaster test their "static page" layout against xhtml validator, and then use PHP or ASP to generate their code at production-time, thus mixing server code and presentation code. A nice solution I find for this problems are XML constructors like Ruby's Builder and Rails' Markaby. Both of them save a lot of typing (no clumsy &lt/tags>) and will scream at schema error.

    30. Re:Keep it simple ... by Al+Dimond · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Let's say that there's an election coming up for president of teh world. George W. Bush is running against Adolf Hitler. Those are your only choices, and everyone has to vote or be killed. 10% of the people are Nazis and 90% aren't. 90% of Nazis vote for Hitler and 10% vote for Bush. 90% of non-Nazis vote for Bush and 10% vote for Hitler.

      Overall, 82% vote for Bush, so most people vote for Bush. 90% of Nazis vote for Hitler, so most Nazis vote for Hitler. Nazis are still people, they're just in a small, evil minority.

    31. Re:Keep it simple ... by corychristison · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Barebones, browser only, users must install their own extensions. Most geeks will want this one.
      For linux users, if you have GTK libs installed [who doesn't?] take a look at Epiphany. It's not for everyone, but it is very simple, gecko-based browser and it Just Works[tm]*

      * This is my own personal opinion. :-)
    32. Re:Keep it simple ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

      Mozilla should implement non-essential features through their own, in-house, official extentions, so that users have the choice of whether to make use of that particular feature or keep things slimmed down.

      At present, Mozilla do try to have it both ways, though; when someone complains of a missing feature, Mozilla says there's an extension for that. But when said extension causes memory leakage, Mozilla says it's not their fault as it's the extension that's at fault!

    33. Re:Keep it simple ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While you are at it, I also would like to see that activex thingy support and full compatibility with IE. *duck*

    34. Re:Keep it simple ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Plugins

      Someone should add "If the plugin search can't find the plugin, can you PLEASE have it tell me what MIME type it was so I can get it myself?"

      I'm getting tired of having to hunt through the source code to find what I'm missing, since firefox doesn't appear to know about any of the linux plugins.

    35. Re:Keep it simple ... by jc42 · · Score: 1

      My firefox very, very rarely crashes (once every few *months* Java or Flash bring it down).

      Well, sure, it crashes rarely. But I find that I have to kill it every other day, because its memory usage has grown to several times the mere gigabyte of memory that I have. Closing all its windows only releases a small amount of its claim on memory. So I kill it, all my other apps speed up, and a new FF runs quickly after I've reloaded the pages I was working on.

      Saying that something "very rarely crashes" is a bit disingenuous, when what it does is drag the system (itself included) to a near halt. "But it didn't crash!" Yeah, right.

      (This is on both a linux RH system and a Mac with OSX 10.4.whatever the current version is. YMMV, of course, depending on what you're using FF for.)

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    36. Re:Keep it simple ... by tehshen · · Score: 1

      It's called Opera, and works like a charm.

      Opera may work nice but it still looks ugly. I'd prefer it if it looked anything like the rest of my desktop...

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    37. Re:Keep it simple ... by arodland · · Score: 1

      Actually the memory requirements wouldn't go up that much, for a few reasons. First, a noticeable portion of the memory use is read-only "text" pages (executables, libraries, maybe pixmaps) that would still remain shared between the processes (you get this for free). Second, another noticeable portion of a browser's memory use is per-tab anyway. The total amount of per-tab usage won't change whether you have 20 tabs in one window, 20 tabs between 5 windows in the same process, or 20 tabs between 5 windows each in its own process.

    38. Re:Keep it simple ... by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      Umm, skins? Good luck finding an aesetic that pleases everyone for a default.

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    39. Re:Keep it simple ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a typical example of the problem. I often browse many PDF files and find FF freezing for minutes at occasion.

      FF freezes during downloading of large PDF files (e.g. 100+ pages), especially when the file is in a slower server. For large files the browser may freeze for minutes, until the download completes or times out.

      There is no way to cancel the download after the PDF viewer opens inside FF -- either wait or abort FF, which closes all windows.

    40. Re:Keep it simple ... by shaneh0 · · Score: 1

      "If you're having crashing problems, you should start up a new profile and re-install your extensions one by one to see which one is causing you the grief."

      I think this is the point. He shouldn't *have* to do this. And if you actually read his post, his suggestion is to run extensions in a sandbox that won't crash the broswser. He only mentioned the seperate instances solution as an alternative way of accomplishing what he's looking for, which is a stable browser.

      Part of building a successful plugin interface is making sure a rouge plugin won't crash the entire application.

      Besides, It wouldn't use 4x as much ram, even if they did open new instances for each new window. I'm sure that a lot of libraries, etc, could run in shared space.

    41. Re:Keep it simple ... by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      I think the biggest problem is that most of the extensions I've seen on the Mozilla site are "Helps navigate the forums on example.com" crap. If you get rid of all of the site-specific extensions, I bet the number would drop down to 200 or so.

    42. Re:Keep it simple ... by 644bd346996 · · Score: 1

      Something a lot like that should be feasible once FF runs on top of XULRunner. That or Thunderbird will crash along with FF when there is a rouge extension.

    43. Re:Keep it simple ... by mrjeffreya · · Score: 1

      For so many features I'm told to "get a plugin", which often isn't being maintained to the same high standard as the rest of the browser.

      Have Mozilla develop and support important extensions to they have the same high standards. This way the download manager can be moved to a default extension that can be replaced for one that supports .torrents if the user desires them. The same can be done with the "view source" window, and other parts of the current browser that can be considered bloat.

    44. Re:Keep it simple ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a simple solution:
      1) Disable the in-browser PDF reader
      2) Set Firefox to download PDF's
      3) Open with a better reader (Foxit Reader, for instance)

    45. Re:Keep it simple ... by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 1

      Make it fast, compliant and secure. Leave everything else to extensions.

      But don't drink that koolaid to excess. How much sense does it to make the ability to remember tab and location state an extention for example? Crashing and ooming are both standard features of Firefox, but remembering what it was doing when it crashed is not? Oh, and by the way, can we please not wait until exit to store configuration changes on disk? And how dumb is it to "simplify" the configuration by moving important configuration elements like image animation into about:config obscurity, then add insult to injury by not providing a list of valid options?

      Hey, I still think Firefox is the best open source browser out there, but it suffers from plenty of idiotic misdesign all the same.

      Ah, while I'm ranting, how user unfriendly is it to require two clicks in the browser window to move the keyboard focus from the location bar to the browser window? And what is it with that useless download list that doesn't even tell you the directory it downloaded to, but loves to get in the way and lie on around when the download is finished pretending it did something useful.

      And the whole concept of "profiles" is just horribly broken. Please just bite the bullet and support multiple sessions open using the same config files, this is not rocket science.

      Basics, guys, basics.

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    46. Re:Keep it simple ... by faolan_devyn_aodfin · · Score: 1

      Why not start a project or convince Epiphany or Galeon devs to go that route or create a project split as much as I hate to say that. That is what open source is all about. I think the minimalist + extentions route is the way to go too. Although I would like to see it go much further with a core and a wrapper for GTK+, QT, and Win32. That way there would be total integration with your desktop be it GNOME, XFCE, KDE, Windows, or something else.

      It would be nice to see a browser that could be installed with the minimals, then some default plugins as options from the install menu / first run menu (depending on if your are running windows or just installed your linux distro). Then for even more functionality you could download even more plugins.

      Extensibility and stability via modularity is the UNIX way of doing things, and also the best way for both the developers and the users because it gives everyone more options.

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    47. Re:Keep it simple ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that there are some memory problems after a while. It might be due to webpages having pictures and embeded media, or it might be due to the Adblock extension for some reason. But, I would like to see it trimmed down, stabilized, and make Flash, Acrobat and Java plug-ins work better. It is pretty good so far. Just keep it minimal and uncluttered, but able to do everything I would like it to do. The one problem I have seem is if you have 50 or 70 tabs open, it runs out of room and you can't jump to the new tabs.

      The only other suggestion is to be able to turn off that "all downloads completed" box that pops up.

    48. Re:Keep it simple ... by aprilsound · · Score: 1
      Good luck finding an aesetic that pleases everyone for a default.
      I think you mean aesthetic? What you said is something about a monk that is also some sort of whore. At least, that's where my mind went.
    49. Re:Keep it simple ... by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't quadruple the total memory requirements, it would only quadruple the overhead associated with each window. As a plus, it would allow you to free up to 3/4s of Firefox's RAM without closing every single open page, download manager, Java applet, etc. the way you currently have to in order to retrieve any of the hundreds of MBs it eats (assuming the page(s) you want are on thesame window, or can be opened there).

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    50. Re:Keep it simple ... by ChrisDolan · · Score: 1

      parent suggests moving all firefox activities into separate processes

      Shall we call it FireToroise -- SLOW and steady wins the browser race? I think this is analogous to performance issues of microkernels vs. monolithic kernels. And, have you heard about the huge overhead in forking new processes on Windows?

    51. Re:Keep it simple ... by try_anything · · Score: 1

      I just wanted to add that Firefox does the same thing to me on Windows. I've never experienced the problem under Linux, but my, um, browsing habits are a bit different on Linux; I don't open seventy tabs of *cough* media-rich pages at a time. I haven't noticed it degrading the performance of other apps, but I'd still love to see it fixed.

    52. Re:Keep it simple ... by sanguinemoon · · Score: 1

      I take it you haven't used Opera. Fast and compliant.

    53. Re:Keep it simple ... by Theovon · · Score: 1

      I don't think you've fully thought through the suggestion.

      Just because the document is being handled by a separate process doesn't mean its UI is slow. SOME UI stuff will have to go through IPC, but for most activity, the worker process will communicate directly with the window system. In X11, for instance, the UI process would create a window and then hand the resource ID of that window over to the worker process that uses the window directly. Windows has a similar system of window object handles that can be shared between processes.

      The result of this would be a MUCH more responsive application, because the CPU will be shared more fairly between documents, and hanging documents won't hurt non-hanging ones.

      Also, don't you know that all rendering via X11 is handled via IPC? X11 apps run over a 100Megabit network (application is on one machine, X server is on another), the reduction in responsiveness is often hard to notice. Windows is architected in a comparable way, as is MacOS X.

    54. Re:Keep it simple ... by rammer · · Score: 1

      There are some places where the notion of profiles is a valid concern.
      For example if you run firefox on a laptop and have several choices of webcache addresses depending on the firewall you are sitting behind.

      But I agree that you should be able to have more than one instance running with the same config files.
      It cannot be that hard to code.

      I also happen to agree wholeheartedly with the rest of your post.

    55. Re:Keep it simple ... by BZ · · Score: 1

      This would sort of work, except for the fact that the renderings of different documents interact (see translucent iframes) and that cross-calls between the document and the UI are very common (see what happens to the status bar as you move around the page and hover links, for example).

      Combine this with all the synchronization mechanisms needed in all DOM code because there's no good way to tell whether you're accessing things in the same process, and the fact that DOM objects can be moved between documents (adoptNode), and the performance really will be t terrible...

    56. Re:Keep it simple ... by Theovon · · Score: 1

      You have a good point. Perhaps "document" is the wrong word. How about "DOM tree"? If I load mail.yahoo.com in one tab and slashdot.org in another tab, they should be in separate processes, regardless of how they work internally.

  8. Stability. by dal20402 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With extensions, Firefox does pretty much anything that anyone could want in a browser. I'd like only two things from Firefox 3:

    1. More stability and less memory usage. On both Windows and OS X, Firefox can swallow all your system resources if you leave it running long enough and do enough browsing. On my machines, the program also crashes, infrequently but regularly, most often when a page it's loading is corrupted by a network error. Spend the effort on finding memory leaks and bugs instead of adding gewgaws.

    2. Without changing the functionality of the interface or its basic elements, make it prettier. The buttons look big, garish, and way too colorful; look at Safari for one example of a better way. (I use a skin to make my Firefox installs look much like Safari, but I think a more professional/more beautiful interface could inspire more people to switch.)

    1. Re:Stability. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      3. Ability to save any browsing session. That is, save everything you are presently doing in Firefox to a big file. After that, Firefox can be closed, your computer can be shut off, etc, and later you can come back, open Firefox, and load your browsing session from the saved file.

    2. Re:Stability. by udderly · · Score: 3, Informative
    3. Re:Stability. by BluhDeBluh · · Score: 1

      I still use the Qute theme which, ironically considering the Debian thing, they abandoned a long time ago since someone else held the copyright. They should get a decent default icon set, because I honestly think the one they use at the moment is abysmal.

    4. Re:Stability. by miro+f · · Score: 2, Insightful

      that's actually part of firefox 2. so no need to wait

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    5. Re:Stability. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does it work on the Mac?

    6. Re:Stability. by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Only works with 1.5+. And upgrading means hunting down and reinstalling ALL of your extentions. Have fun. This functionality was built into Opera over six years ago, with no extensions/upgrades necessary.

    7. Re:Stability. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absobloodyexactly!

      Mozilla could always develop their own extensions to be optionally added for increased browser functionality, as well as having third-party extensions as at present.

      Just concentrate on getting the basics (speed, stability, security) right, and do everything except the most essential stuff via extensions, whether official or third-party.

    8. Re:Stability. by udderly · · Score: 1

      True, but when I upgraded to 1.5, almost all of my extensions worked fine. I didn't have to reinstall them at all. The extensions manager thingy went out and got the updates and I was back in business in a couple of minutes. That being said, I still think that Opera is better than FF.

    9. Re:Stability. by owlnation · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree wholheartedly.

      After reading the current list on the Mozilla feature brainstorming page, if even a few of these features get built into Fx 3 is going to be too heavy to be practical. I am already concerned about Fx 2.0. Such things as built in spellchecker is fine in an extension, but I have no need of it (screw you grammar nazis, spelling isn't standardised between countries and hasn't been standardised at all for much more than a century). I have not yet upgraded to the RC, and not entirely sure if I should.

      I have a big fast powerful machine, and run only a few extensions. For me, there has been a profound drop off in performance from my first steps with version 0.8something and 1.5.

      But I adore Firefox and want to keep it. I just wish it was leaner and faster.

      It seems to me that the true beauty of OSS is that it does not need to pander to the marketing twats. There is absolutely no need for free software to pack in yet more features every version.

      When speed, efficiency and stability are perfected, then by all means consider new features. Otherwise, that is why extensions were created, and why Seamonkey was created.

    10. Re:Stability. by zdzichu · · Score: 1

      No, it isn't. In Firefox 2, session in restored only after browser crash. If you close it properly, session is forgotten. It's the same annoying bahaviour as Epiphany has. I have a shortcut to "xkill" in my panel for storing session in those browsers.

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    11. Re:Stability. by kimvette · · Score: 1

      I would extend that to named sessions so if you work on multiple projects in parallel, it's easy to switch between sessions rapidly.

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    12. Re:Stability. by ichigo+2.0 · · Score: 1

      Including it as a feature in 3.0 certainly would require you to upgrade, and most extensions probably would break. I'm pretty sure these features won't be backported to 1.0.

    13. Re:Stability. by cyxxon · · Score: 1

      Can't be, because on my Firefox 2 here the session gets restored everytime I restart the browser. Of course, I manually enabled that feature in the Preferences window. Maybe you want to do that as well? It is on the very first page of the window, the first drop down list box, set it to restore from the last session.

    14. Re:Stability. by code65536 · · Score: 1

      Have you tried FF2 RC1/RC2/RC3? And looked at the first item of the first page of the options dialog?

    15. Re:Stability. by MynockGuano · · Score: 1

      Oh, sneaky. I had the same annoyance. Good catch!

      That's always been a 'set-once, forget about it' option for me. If I knew the feature was there and was searching for it, I still might have missed it!

      Thanks!

    16. Re:Stability. by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      When exactly can we define speed, and efficiency as being perfect. Is there a mathematical algorithm for proving the program is as efficient as possible? I mean we could always go to the assembly code and tweak it a bit more. I mean if it never crashes we could call it stable enough, but trying to perfect speed is impossible, because I'm sure there's someone who will be complaining that it doesn't run blazing fast on a 486.

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    17. Re:Stability. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have not yet upgraded to the RC, and not entirely sure if I should.

      I did, and can recommend it. Much better than 1.5.x.

    18. Re:Stability. by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      Firefox 2.0 already does this for browser crashes; it should be trivial to add some configurability to the feature.

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    19. Re:Stability. by AaronLawrence · · Score: 1

      The buttons look big, garish, and way too colorful;
      They are probably that way because lots of people wanted bigger, brighter buttons before.

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    20. Re:Stability. by Spliffster · · Score: 1
      Such things as built in spellchecker is fine in an extension, but ...
      this is no new feature. it has been in the mozilla codebase for quiet some time (since nvu 1.0 was released) but has not yet been used by the FF ui.
    21. Re:Stability. by try_anything · · Score: 1
      My votes on the parent's suggestions:

      1. More stability and less memory usage. On both Windows and OS X, Firefox can swallow all your system resources if you leave it running long enough and do enough browsing. On my machines, the program also crashes, infrequently but regularly, most often when a page it's loading is corrupted by a network error. Spend the effort on finding memory leaks and bugs instead of adding gewgaws.

      +1 on the memory growth. Happens to me, forces restarts, matters more than gewgaws.

      2. Without changing the functionality of the interface or its basic elements, make it prettier.

      I like it the way it is. On my monitor, the toolbar takes up about the right amount of space. If it's all done with vector graphics, maybe there should be a way to resize the toolbar? Locked by default, of course, with options to restore sizes to default values and restore sizes to their start-of-session values.

  9. supress password popups with one click. by krell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All I want is a simple option on the "Do you want to remember passwords for this site?" popups that says "no, and never ask EVER for ANY site". The only way to get rid of these worthless annoyances is some obscure setting buried in a menu. While it would be even better not to ever have been asked this in the first place, an option to get rid of all of these on the popup should not be too much to ask for. Other than that, no complaints. Nice clean UI, especially compared to IE7 !!!

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    1. Re:supress password popups with one click. by cortana · · Score: 5, Funny

      Did you file a bug?

      I doubt they will do this though. The password popup window already contains too many buttons: [Yes], [No] and [Never for this site]. End-users are already instantly paralyzed when they see a window with three buttons, like a deer in the headlights of an onrushing car. Adding a fourth button will make their brains melt out of their ears. :)

    2. Re:supress password popups with one click. by krell · · Score: 1

      You are right about having three buttons. I wish Firefox came instead configured by default "no popups at ALL". Worthless Firefox-generated popups like the password one are just as annoying as the X-10 camera ones. The way is is now, with an obscure setting buried in a menu, does not cut it.

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    3. Re:supress password popups with one click. by cortana · · Score: 1

      Well, if you can think of a better way to present the info about password sharing to the user, please submit a bug! Remember that you can't rely on the user reading any documentation, and that the password storing feature must be enabled by default, or the user will assume that Firefox doesn't have the feature at all and will go back to IE.

    4. Re:supress password popups with one click. by DebianDog · · Score: 1

      Worthless??? I like saving my password when I am at home.

    5. Re:supress password popups with one click. by ppz003 · · Score: 1

      In line with the status bar comment above, how about an icon that appears in the status bar (kinda like when they first did RSS) that you can click to get the popup asking for remember/never passwords on that site. Maybe have the first 3 or 5 times this icon appears, an XP like balloon can appear explaining to users how the icon works. After that, the icon appears with no balloon (or does not appear if set to never remember for this site).

      If this makes you happy, then by all means suggest it. I currently just uncheck the remember passwords and don't use that feature, but this would work for me just as well.

    6. Re:supress password popups with one click. by krell · · Score: 1

      I can't see why anyone would even want this "feature".

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    7. Re:supress password popups with one click. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If you can't understand why a typical computer user (read: not a technical guru) would want a feature like this then you're really out of touch with the general populace.

    8. Re:supress password popups with one click. by cortana · · Score: 1

      I want this feature because there is no way to remember all the passwords I have to use for all the different sites I use.

    9. Re:supress password popups with one click. by WiFiBro · · Score: 1

      If you are not having a masterpassword the dialog should warn:

      Should Firefox remember this password for this site?

      [ ] Yes, please have it visible for every sucker that can physically or remotely access this pc.
      [ ] Yes, but first let me make a masterpassword to secure it.
      [ ] No, maybe later.
      [ ] No, never for this site.
      [ ] No, and never bother me again.

      PS usability freaks: up to 7 choices is allowed. :P

      (PS I still love FF ok?)

    10. Re:supress password popups with one click. by GreatBunzinni · · Score: 1
      All I want is a simple option on the "Do you want to remember passwords for this site?" popups that says "no, and never ask EVER for ANY site". The only way to get rid of these worthless annoyances is some obscure setting buried in a menu.

      In Firefox's preferences dialog, go to "Privacy", "passwords" and uncheck the "remember passwords" checkbox. I fail to see if this is an obscure setting or if it is even even burried in a menu.Have you even bothered to look at Firefox's preferences?

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    11. Re:supress password popups with one click. by dumeinst · · Score: 1

      huh??
      Why wouldn't you want this if you have logins on about 30 different sites that you use on a daily basis. Do you have any idea how annoying it is to type in username/password 50 times a day?? With passwords saved I can just type in one master password when I fire up the browser and everything else is filled in. Sure there's a slightly security risk but come on. Unless you work for the pentagon, why would people not use this??

    12. Re:supress password popups with one click. by LouisZepher · · Score: 1

      "End-users are already instantly paralyzed when they see a window with three buttons, like a deer in the headlights of an onrushing car."

      True, but most people that use Firefox aren't your typical "end-user" that automatically clicks "OK" on dialogue boxes. FF users are a tad brighter than that...usually. I only find the pop-up annoying when I'm logging into a site for the first time after a total browser re-install (or any other situation wherein my passwords are no longer saved) and can't remember what the correct password is, and it saves the incorrect one.

    13. Re:supress password popups with one click. by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Seconded.

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    14. Re:supress password popups with one click. by krell · · Score: 1

      "In Firefox's preferences dialog, go to "Privacy", "passwords" and uncheck the "remember passwords" checkbox. I fail to see if this is an obscure setting or if it is even even burried in a menu.Have you even bothered to look at Firefox's preferences?"

      That's a lot more obscure than having a "hell no never again" option on the pop-up. The option buried in the dialogue is downright obtuse in comparison. As for preferences, I usually do not bother with them. If it is set up right to begin with (and well designed), why should there be a need? There never has been for me, except for this one thing.

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    15. Re:supress password popups with one click. by starsky51 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      How about something like:

      Should Firefox remember the password for this site?

      [ ] Remember this answer
      [ ] Use this answer on every site

      [YES] [NO]
      (The second checkbox only becomes active when the first is ticked)
      This presents the user with less choices and the additional options make sense.
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    16. Re:supress password popups with one click. by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      Because I'm lazy, and my memory is poor, and some sites don't allow you to choose a username instead giving you a number, but mostly because I was once told that computers were really good at storing information and retrieving it on demand.

    17. Re:supress password popups with one click. by h4rdc0d3 · · Score: 1

      Tools -> Options -> Privacy section -> Passwords tab

      uncheck "Remember Passwords"

    18. Re:supress password popups with one click. by GreatBunzinni · · Score: 1
      As for preferences, I usually do not bother with them.

      Well, there you have it. You are trying to claim that a feature is too "obtuse" although you didn't even tried to invest the couple of mouse clicks which would solve yours so called problem. If you can't even do bothed doing that simple task and yet spend a considerable amount of time whining about how you can't do it, then it is safe to say that there isn't enough UI and usability know-how in the whole world to make things work out in your favor.

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    19. Re:supress password popups with one click. by wolf08 · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of PasswordSafe? http://passwordsafe.sf.net/ It will store passwords for you in an encrypted database, and can auto generate strong passwords.

    20. Re:supress password popups with one click. by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      I would probably switch to a different browser if Firefox didn't support saved passwords. Every other modern browser does.

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    21. Re:supress password popups with one click. by Asm-Coder · · Score: 1

      Use KeePass. Pretty good UI, Open Source, Free, Linux Windows and Mac, I haven't found a downside yet.

    22. Re:supress password popups with one click. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because it is worth taking a set-once setting and annoying everyone forever with it because you are too lazy to find a setting?

      How about asking to remember a password on the next page after you have successfully logged in? The number of times I have mistakenly entered the wrong login or password are numerous.

    23. Re:supress password popups with one click. by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      It's a separate program that doesn't automatically run when Firefox runs, making it less attractive.

      This would be another feature that could be made into a plugin and distributed with Firefox. If you don't like it, turn it off or uninstall it.

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    24. Re:supress password popups with one click. by krell · · Score: 1

      "Well, there you have it."

      Actually, a well-designed program will have given proper considerations to such settings as they are "out of the box". Firefox usually does this. You shouldn't have to go to configuration just to kill annoying repetitive popups, when an option on the popup would do just fine. There's plenty of UI knowhow to satisfy me on this, if you just consider 1) no annoying popups in the first place and 2) if you have to throw one, put an option right on the popup to kill them.

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    25. Re:supress password popups with one click. by Asm-Coder · · Score: 1

      However, it does support hot keys, effectively negating your argument.

    26. Re:supress password popups with one click. by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      OTOH I still have to press the hotkey, which I don't have to with native Firefox password storage. Also, the Linux/MacOS port has "browser integration" in the "to do" list, making me wonder whether the original program's hotkey even works in the port (probably not). Lastly, it's not even in Portage, as far as I can tell.

      Security-wise, KeePass is much superior, but ergonomics-wise (and "J.Random User is going to use this"-wise) it's not even in the same league. As one of the most critical passwords I have stored in Firefox is that to my /. account I don't think I really need 256-bit encrypted password storage. Once it has matured I might take a look at it though - especially if it comes with a Firefoyx plugin that makes the hotkey unnecessary. Yes, I'm that lazy.

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  10. one feature by Chubby_C · · Score: 1

    I would like to see is the ability to highlight url's that are plain text on a page and have them open in a new tab instead of copy and pasting; maybe this already is out there in an extension but I haven't seen it. If you know it, let me know.

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    1. Re:one feature by AdamKG · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:one feature by pdbaby · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's a greasemonkey script that does this (and it's incredibly useful!); http://downloads.mozdev.org/greasemonkey/linkify.u ser.js. Greasemonkey is an incredibly useful tool. You can make major modifications to pages with relatively simple javascript

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    3. Re:one feature by Chubby_C · · Score: 1
      when you need the answer to something, someone on slashdot will have it

      just had to wait for the right time to ask

      thanks

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    4. Re:one feature by luder · · Score: 1

      Linkification. Can't live without it.

    5. Re:one feature by ppz003 · · Score: 1

      This has several options to handle plain text links..
      Linkification

    6. Re:one feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no need. Any correctly-formatted URL that is selected as text can be dragged-and-dropped directly into the Address Bar, or the Tab Bar, or the Links Bar, or the Bookmarks Toolbar, etc., and will behave as though it was a propper link.

      What you can't do, is drag this text into other applications and have it behave as a link - it will behave only as text unless the application supports text-as-link dragging in the way that Mozilla does. True links, on the other hand, drag in the same way that links from native browsers (such as IE or Safari) do. But, if you open the link (such as by dragging it onto a tab) you /can/ then drag the icon in the left of the toolbar, as though it was a true link.

    7. Re:one feature by rodbotic · · Score: 0

      ignore there sugustions. unless your on a mac but if your mouse has a middle button or a wheel(the wheel may have a button) just middle click the link and it will auto open in a new tab!! and if you click the tab witht the middle button it goes away!! enjoy

    8. Re:one feature by Chubby_C · · Score: 1

      we understand that, but what I was asking about was for url's that aren't links so you can't click on them

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    9. Re:one feature by crumley · · Score: 1
      Well on Unix by default selecting text and then pasting to a blank spot in the browser window cause that URL to load. This behavior has been around since at least Netscape 3. By default it may open a new window, but it is easy to change it to open a new tab.

      In Windows, middle-mouse button clicking can be set to paste in Firefox, though I think you may have manually copy the text to the clipboard (with Ctrl-C) first.

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  11. More focus on easy to use security will be nice by also-rr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Especially integration with things like GPG for automatically authenticating posts in web forms and web mail. Has anyone found an extension to do that? There's a encryption plugin for gmail I believe but no general extension for all web forms.

    It could seriously kick off use of GPG amongst the non-geeks for authentication (mostly) and encryption (past a critical mass). I don't believe it would be that difficult to explain to normal IT literate (ie, already uses Firefox or Opera) the benefit of signatures in evading blame and establishing trust.

    Semi-on-topic, on the security front Firefox 2 fixes the bug with tab icon handling that allows fingerprinting of Firefox 1.5 by tracking isolated .ico file requests.

    1. Re:More focus on easy to use security will be nice by eklitzke · · Score: 1

      Fingerprinting Firefox 1.5 based on favicon fetching? Sure, I guess that's possible, but since the browser includes a User-agent string in every HTTP request it seems kind of ridiculous.

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  12. light browser by unluckier · · Score: 1

    If Firefox continues fast and not memory hungry, then add all the useful features you want.

    1. Re:light browser by nutshell42 · · Score: 1
      Actually I think a fast and not-memory-hungry Firefox would be a great idea.

      Actually they could move the eat-memory-like-crazy feature into an extension, that way if I ever feel the need to get rid of 1GB of RAM I can just d/l the extension. =/

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  13. My suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My suggestion for firefox 3 is to reduce memory and CPU usage as much as possible, so it could be useful on slower machines with less memory and even faster on modern machines.

  14. Firefox too buggy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fix the bugs before adding new "features"!

  15. useability nits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. When I click on a link that opens a PDF or other document, by default that should open in a separate popup. I hate closing the PDF and then discovering I've also closed Fox and lost the page I was on.

    2. I hate the way that items can be moved on the bookmark menu by just dragging the mouse in view mode. Bookmarks disappear and turn up in submenus. After I've spent time setting up the bookmarks, I hate it when I mess it up inadvertently. There is already a dialog box for editing bookmarks, that's a plenty good enough UI for making modifications.

    These two remind me of Donald Norman's DOET book, where bad design frustrates users and makes them feel stupid. And please don't answer that "you can get this behavior by going into "Tools Options Configure Advanced We-get-requests..". This should be the way it works out of the box.

    1. Re:useability nits by ppz003 · · Score: 1

      PDF Download Choose what you want to do with PDF links.

  16. History: When I closed a window by twoshortplanks · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'd like to be able to browse my history by when I closed, rather than opened, a page.

    I can't count the number of times I've closed a tab and then wanted it back later in the day, but been unable to find the url because I've actually had it open on my desktop for several days (so it's not in yesterday's history.) Being able to sort history by "close time" as well as "open time" would be really useful.

    Maybe this could be a firefox extention. Hmm.

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    1. Re:History: When I closed a window by eddy · · Score: 1

      Opera features a specific view (Menu "Window->Closed") into the closed windows history. Very handy.

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    2. Re:History: When I closed a window by Excors · · Score: 2, Informative

      Firefox 2 has added a "Recently Closed Tabs" list in the History menu. It might not work as well as a sorted view of the whole history panel, if you want to get back a tab that you closed hours ago and it's fallen off the bottom of the list; but it's good if you realise soon after you accidentally close it.

    3. Re:History: When I closed a window by heinzkunz · · Score: 1

      > I'd like to be able to browse my history by when I closed, rather than opened, a page.

      Good idea, but I guess that many users will be confused by such a change. Anyhow, it is already proposed: "Sort history by time the page was closed, rather than opened." So let's see how much support the idea gets.

      A pragmatic solution is a "recently closed tabs" menu. I think Opera introduced that, and the feature is already present in the trunk of the Firefox sources.

      Let's hope they keep it simple.

    4. Re:History: When I closed a window by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I'd like a completely revamped history feature. I always turn the history off, because I find that I can't find what I want anyway, and it only serves to incriminate me :). Anyway, what I want, is for the history to be shown in the way you navigated to the page. So to find a page you visited, you go to google search "search term"->page 2 -> (New Tab) Page I was trying to find. This would make it a lot better, as I can usually remember what I was searching for, but not the title of the page I found. This is especially true, since most pages don't have relevant titles to what the actual content is. It would also be nice if it would (optionally) keep a copy of all the text in a page so I could search that text to find what I wanted.

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    5. Re:History: When I closed a window by The+Bungi · · Score: 1
      Maybe this could be a firefox extention. Hmm.

      It is. It's called TabMix Plus. There you go =)

      I do agree that it's a feature that would be good to have in the base product though.

    6. Re:History: When I closed a window by kbahey · · Score: 1

      There is already an extension for this.

      It is called Session Manager. It does exactly what you want: a history of closed tabs.

      It also has the nice feature of saving the entire session (all windows, all tabs) so when you restart you can go back to what you were doing ...

    7. Re:History: When I closed a window by MeltUp · · Score: 1

      Not sure what exactly you need, but do you know google's search history? http://www.google.com/searchhistory

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  17. Firefox needs some work on the popup front. by krell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "How about having system prompts popping up in tha status bar instead of popup. And put the contents of the Bookmarks on the menu at the top."

    In keeping with my request to allow for intuitive suppression of the nasty ""do you want to remember password for this site?" popups, they should put an option on the system prompts that you can click to make them go to the status bar from then on: "Do you want future such popups on the status bar instead?"

    I love how Firefox nicely diminishes popups that come from intentional design of web programmers, but the way Firefox itself throws annoying hard-to-get rid of popups needs some work.

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    1. Re:Firefox needs some work on the popup front. by Vo0k · · Score: 1

      Besides, Firefox is perfectly vulnerable to alert-popup-loop DoS.

        while(1){ alert("you suck!"); }

      Modal windows freeze the main app making even turning javascript off impossible. You have to kill the app.

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    2. Re:Firefox needs some work on the popup front. by Psychofreak · · Score: 1

      I'm running firefox in KDE on Slackware. Is this why I keep getting the error "Script unresponsive"
      You are right. It sucks. Slashdot's new comment system is better, but still seems to throw that error every now and again.
      What is nice is I can terminate the script and continue to view the webpage.

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    3. Re:Firefox needs some work on the popup front. by Vo0k · · Score: 1

      nope, it's not it. "continue script" would be for scripts like "while(1){}" or for what happens on slashdot - thousands upon thousands of operations to be performed - displaying or hiding every single comment below or above the treshold. Slow on not-cutting-edge hardware plus slow on Firefox/Linux (unfortunately Linux port of Firefox is way slower than Windows one).

      The problem is the "alert" pauses the script, so you won't ever see the dialog "stop script" and nothing short of nuking the browser will help.

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    4. Re:Firefox needs some work on the popup front. by Psychofreak · · Score: 1
      Slow on not-cutting-edge hardware


      Yea, that's me. Remember the pentium pro? My machine has two of them. Overclocked. Screaming away at 233mhz. Charging through with 256MB ram. After 8 years with the same machine I almost don't want to upgrade.

      I have a new-to-me machine. It's a PIII 700mhz. The problem is that most of the ram was removed from it so it only has 192MB. My dual ppro is faster! Alas, I am unsure of what to do. I guess I need a better paying job.

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  18. Why are we even bothering... by also-rr · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...now that we can run IE6 on Linux?

    It even supports active X! Active X! None of the true internet experience will be lost to you now.

  19. Take inspiration from Konqueror. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Firefox should take its inspiration from Konqueror. The KDE folks have managed to put out a browser that basically fulfills the goals of Firefox. It's lightweight, it's fast, and its extensible.

    In many ways, it's even better than Firefox. It uses native widgets rather than XUL, so rendering is noticeably more rapid, and it integrates better with the rest of the desktop (KDE in this case). It offers better CSS support, even passing the Acid2 test (thanks to help from Apple's Safari developers).

    Konqueror also uses a lot less memory than Firefox. I've heard Firefox's excessive memory usage blamed on bad extensions and bad caching techniques. However, I've noticed excessive RAM usage even when using a default mozilla.org build, without any third-party extensions.

    Unfortunately, Konqueror is tied to KDE at this point, and thus really only runs well under UNIX-style systems. That will change with the release of KDE 4, which should allow for Konqueror to run natively on Windows. Once that happens, Firefox will face some serious competition. That's why their best bet at this time may be to draw from the philosophies of Konqueror, so that they can potentially get there first, and capture the marketshare that Konqueror will otherwise be capturing.

    1. Re:Take inspiration from Konqueror. by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      Reasons why I don't use Konqueror (and Firefox v2 RC instead), even though I'm on KDE 3.5.5:
      • It crashes too much
      • It starts getting really buggy and slow when I have say.. 50 tabs open - I don't suffer such performance issues Firefox v2 RC
      • More sites are broken with it than Firefox and Opera
      • I need something that can synchronize bookmarks, cookies, saved passwords with different computers. Even when I'm using a few at the same time.
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    2. Re:Take inspiration from Konqueror. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      * It crashes too much

      That doesn't sound like Konqueror. I'm thinking your hardware might be faulty. I've used Konqueror for years now, on a wide variety of systems (SPARC and UltraSparc boxes running Solaris and NetBSD, M68K workstations running NetBSD, x86 PCs with Linux and FreeBSD, among others), and I don't recall any crashes ever.

      Are you using Fedora Core by any chance? I know of people who have run into many problems using that distribution, but it didn't just affect their KDE applications. Basically everything crashed, including GNOME and command line applications, because the distribution itself is put together so poorly, and undergoes so little testing.

      * It starts getting really buggy and slow when I have say.. 50 tabs open - I don't suffer such performance issues Firefox v2 RC

      This again sounds like you're having hardware problems, or using a poor distribution like Fedora. Konqueror scales very well when it comes to opening many tabs. I'm on my older UltraSparc system right now, running NetBSD 3.0.1, and KDE 3.5.4 (which doesn't have many of the KHTML speed fixes of 3.5.5). I also have installed Firefox 1.5.0.7. I have selected 300 sites at random from the dmoz.org directory RDF database, and opened all those sites concurrently with both browsers. This isn't a formal test by any means, but the results do speak for themselves.

      When it comes to memory usage, Firefox is (according to top) using 634 MB of RAM. Konqueror, on the other hand, is merely consuming 123 MB. Caching is disabled in both, by the way, to prevent Firefox's poor caching capabilites from affected the results. Considering my system has only 512 MB of RAM, whenever I go to use Firefox the system begins swapping, thus making the browsing quite slow. Konqueror, on the other hand, does not cause this, as it uses on a fraction of my physical RAM. So while it will take three or four seconds for a new tab to display with Firefox, since it must swap in the data, the access is instantaneous with Konqueror, as the data is already resident.

      * More sites are broken with it than Firefox and Opera

      I'm very sceptical about this. I know that Opera does have some problems with some banking sites, including the ones that I have found work fine with Konqueror and Firefox. Other than that, I have never found a site that fails to work in Konqueror. GMail, for instance, doesn't recognize Konqueror by default. But by sending the Safari browser string, GMail works just fine in all of its glory.

      * I need something that can synchronize bookmarks, cookies, saved passwords with different computers. Even when I'm using a few at the same time.

      This isn't something that a browser should be doing. If such functionality is needed, you should be resorting to NFS, SMB, or other technologies for sharing and synchronizing files.

    3. Re:Take inspiration from Konqueror. by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      That doesn't sound like Konqueror. I'm thinking your hardware might be faulty. I've used Konqueror for years now, on a wide variety of systems (SPARC and UltraSparc boxes running Solaris and NetBSD, M68K workstations running NetBSD, x86 PCs with Linux and FreeBSD, among others), and I don't recall any crashes ever.
      Then you're lucky. No other browser crashes on me.
      Are you using Fedora Core by any chance?
      No. I hate that distro. I am currently using SuSE Linux Enterprise Server, Debian, Slackware, Kubuntu, OpenSuSE, and Mandriva.
      This again sounds like you're having hardware problems, or using a poor distribution like Fedora.
      Again, I'm not using Fedora, and this is a problem I've seen on my other other computers too.
      I also have installed Firefox 1.5.0.7
      I use Firefox v2 RC, Firefox 1.5 annoys me.
      Considering my system has only 512 MB of RAM
      I have 256MB of RAM on one of my computers, no I'm not really feeling the effects.
      I'm very sceptical about this. I know that Opera does have some problems with some banking sites, including the ones that I have found work fine with Konqueror and Firefox.
      www.online.citibank.pl does not work with konqueror, works with opera and firefox though.
      Other than that, I have never found a site that fails to work in Konqueror.
      I find often some weird javascript/dhtml menu does not work as it should in Konqueror.
      This isn't something that a browser should be doing. If such functionality is needed, you should be resorting to NFS, SMB, or other technologies for sharing and synchronizing files.
      This is impossible todo via NFS, SMB etc. Because the web browsers do not reread the settings when they're already running plus this is prone to corruption. I'm more likely to lose bookmarks if I start adding bookmarks randomly to one or the other because there is no conflict resolution. This is not about synchronising files, it's about synchronizing settings WHILE the browser is running.

      If you can solve this problem via NFS, SMB. Please show me how, because I have actually used that system with many problems I've described before Google browser sync came into existence.
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  20. Less = More by binaryspiral · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Firefox is a great browser - the extensions and skins available let me make it work exactly like I want it to.

    They're feeling the heat from IE7, and loaded v2 up with many of the features I already had using some extensions. But not everyone wants the extras...

    So I say on to FF devs:

    Less equals more, remove the bloat and bring back our lightweight, secure browser and let us customize it how we want it to be.

    1. Re:Less = More by eddy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is that basically the only real market share out there for grabs, is people who don't know anything more than "I click in the internet icon". If you give them the bare-bones, they'll go back to IE7.

      The solution would seem to be to have official plugins shipped with the browser installer, which power users could deactivate (during installation) or replace.

      Though personally I feel some things should just be built in (remembering tabs on restart for instance)

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    2. Re:Less = More by ballwall · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why can't the extra featueres be first-party extensions that are installed by default, and the installer has a 'Custom' installation option that lets you uncheck all of them? Seems like that would be the best of both worlds.

    3. Re:Less = More by sane? · · Score: 1

      Exactly. If I had mod points I'd mod you up.

      The aim here is to spec a version 3 of the browser, not a version 2.1. Whatever computer science types may think, people aren't interested in HOW its does something, they are only interested in WHAT it does; for them.

      People go on about bloat, but better functionality need not lead to bloat if its done right. However the worst fault v3 of Firefox could have would be "mehhhh, its no different to v2 or IE7". Call it the Vista effect.

      There is a fundamental need to think beyond the history of the web and move forward, towards something that is obviously better than the competition, or the status quo. Be that by default extensions, plugins or whatever - it doesn't matter.

      Here's hoping that someone that doesn't have developer myopia is putting the spec together for v3 - normal users are the main focus people !

    4. Re:Less = More by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Though personally I feel some things should just be built in (remembering tabs on restart for instance)

      Well that example rather proves the point that very little in the way of 'extra' features should be built in. Always remembering tabs could be a damn pain for me. Often I'll end up opening 10/20 tabs and just want to close the browser, having a fresh session start up next time. Your preference is totally subjective.

    5. Re:Less = More by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      However the worst fault v3 of Firefox could have would be "mehhhh, its no different to v2 or IE7". Call it the Vista effect.

      Depressingly, that's what the visual refresh in v2 was all about. Many of the initial testers have been complaining bitterly about the new 'glass' interface, but it has to fit in with Vista. Apparently.

    6. Re:Less = More by eddy · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure where you got the impression that it'd be forced on you. I'm saying this is a fundemental function that should be built in. Which it is now, AFAIK.

      (In Opera I can select "Start up from last session", "Startup clean", "Start up from saved sessions", or startup with a startup dialog where I can chose what to do every time (also pops up on unclean shutdown, like a crash)).

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  21. Optimize for AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eliza needs an AI-optimized Firefox to run the JavaScript program for artificial intelligence.

    AI Mind is a more advanced artificial intelligence at the Saint Stephen AI Project.

    Mind.html is a Tutorial Artificial Intelligence that will work properly only if JavaScript works as well in Firefox as in Internet Explorer.

    Independent AI projects need support from Firexfox and all future-minded Web browsers as we approach the Semantic Web and the Technological Singularity.
  22. my suggestions by oohshiny · · Score: 4, Interesting

    -- better Gnome desktop integration (currently, Firefox feels like it is trying to force Windows conventions down Linux users' throats), including better support for cut-and-paste and drag-and-drop of HTML, images, and other content

    -- figure out some way of supporting drag-and-drop file uploads better

    -- better editors for textareas (maybe support Mozex officially and find some way of letting users embed their favorite editors right in the page)

    -- integrate better with Thunderbird and other Mozilla applications

    -- replace the cumbersome XPCOM programming model (IDL compiler and all that) with something that's more like the Objective C object model and runtime

    1. Re:my suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On windows it sometimes feels like they're trying to jam OSX down our throats (Toolbar customize dialog, the preferences window, icons that don't look right etc.)

    2. Re:my suggestions by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      better Gnome desktop integration (currently, Firefox feels like it is trying to force Windows conventions down Linux users' throats)

      TBH, the whole of Gnome feels like it is trying to force Windows conventions down Linux users' throats...

    3. Re:My suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      * Make Firefox NOT add URLs to the address bar history list if the domain name entered does not resolve.

      Please make Firefox NOT add porn URLs to history because it can be embarrassing when other people look over my shoulders while I am typing in some URL and completing for "www.l" suggests me "lesbian-teens" instead of "linux".

      It is really painful to keep two profiles for this kind of purposes.

    4. Re:my suggestions by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Eugh. We don't need more GNOME hideosity. I'd much rather see packages customized for each desktop environment. KDE, GNOME, whatever.

      But for the love of God, don't standardize on a user-coddler like GNOME. I used GNOME for three years, with ever-increasing annoyance and frustration, until finally I said to hell with it and tried KDE.

      KDE lets me do what I want to do. I'm never going back.

      --
      "You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
    5. Re:my suggestions by oohshiny · · Score: 1

      TBH, the whole of Gnome feels like it is trying to force Windows conventions down Linux users' throats...

      I agree, and it would be nice of Gnome were a little more X11 like. But whatever Gnome is, Firefox should be more consistent with it than it is, since Gnome is one of the two major desktop environments.

    6. Re:my suggestions by oohshiny · · Score: 1

      KDE lets me do what I want to do. I'm never going back.

      KDE may be as wonderful and consistent as you say it is, but with its focus on C++ development and the license for its toolkit, it's never going to be the dominant Linux desktop environment. All other desktop environments are moving away from C++ after years of bad experiences, and all other C++ environments allow free commercial software development and distribution instead of KDE's high per-seat charges.

      In any case, Firefox doesn't need to be consistent with KDE since KDE already has made up its mind on the browser issue: its browser is Konqueror by default. I see no reason why the Firefox team should invest a second in making a browser more compatible with KDE. Gnome desktops, OTOH, often ship with Firefox by default, so it really matters that Firefox be consistent with Gnome.

    7. Re:my suggestions by jesser · · Score: 1

      You'd rather not be able to customize toolbars?

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  23. How about fixing the memory leaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One interesting request appears near the end of the list: the wish for Firefox to be the "fastest browser on the market," even in low-memory configurations such as PCs with only 256 MB of RAM.

    I used to browse the web just fine with only 32MB, because back then browsers were written by people who actually knew how to use the free() function.

    1. Re:How about fixing the memory leaks by Merovign · · Score: 1

      The what function?
          - Pretty much every dev team in the world

    2. Re:How about fixing the memory leaks by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      Come hither, let us reminisce.

      I am baffled as to why my dual core 2gb ram PC with 7800 geforce card slows down when i am using FF. I first glimpsed the web on a Pentium 90 with 16mb of RAM and a Tseng Labs video card with a whopping 1024k of video memory. And Netscape seemed just as fast as FF. When I think about this, the only thing that comes to mind is WTF?!

      --
      I hate printers.
  24. Support for programming and layout features by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 1

    I believe Firefox should continue to enhance and add support for SVG, SMIL, CSS, HTML, Javascript, MNG, DOM, and other technologies. I have never quite understood why, as well, there is not some sort of portable font system that could be used in web pages, where if a font is unavialable locally, one can be including on the web site, downloaded, and temporalily used to display the web page. One such system is Open Type. As far as implementing new protocol features not yet standardised, I think the best thing to do is go ahead and implement the feature and then send in a protocol document to the W3C or whoever to have it standardised and make the documentation widely avialable.

    1. Re:Support for programming and layout features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The copyright issues involved with redistributing fonts are unclear, you can't copyright a typeface but you can copyright a computer program (TrueType fonts are actually run in a VM). Still, SVG fonts should allow for this when supported, that's the saner route anyway IMHO.

    2. Re:Support for programming and layout features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I have never quite understood why, as well, there is not some sort of portable font system that could be used in web pages, where if a font is unavialable locally, one can be including on the web site, downloaded, and temporalily used to display the web page.

      Okay. I just did a Google search and found a random ugly MySpace page (don't click if you value your sanity). Now imagine that this guy can make you download fonts, as well.

      Even aside from that, and copyright concerns, can you wait until someone starts serving up corrupted fonts and 0wnz1ng computers with them?

    3. Re:Support for programming and layout features by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 1

      Interesting yes. I wondered about the issue of including a font to be used by the web brower to display text. However, the font would not be used in context of encouraging the user to download it and install it on their system to use for their projects, but with the intention of the web browser using it to display your web page and then discarding it.

      Obviously, you can get away with using fonts in your web graphics and images, everyone does it. One feature that I think would actually be nice, come to think of it, would be to specify image files to use to display each character in a block of text. This would allow the browser to only have to download the image once for each character and re use that same image each time the character is used in a block of text, unlike a huge JPG of the entire block of text. Such as this:
      <span style="font-img: a a.jpg b b.jpg c c.jpg h h.jpg  e e.jpg l l.jpg o jpg;">hello abc</span> Or something like that. This would associate each character with an image file which will be used to display that character. This would allow the web browser to make sure that copy and paste could be used as well with this kind of text.

    4. Re:Support for programming and layout features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      <html>
        <head>
          <title>img based glyphs</title>
          <style type="text/css"> .glyph { font-size: 20px; color: transparent; }
            span.a { background: url(/glyph/a.png) no-repeat; } /* ETC... */
          </style>
        </head>
        <body>
          <span class="glyph a">A</span>
        </body>
      </html>

    5. Re:Support for programming and layout features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to see proper language-dependent hyphenation, perhaps using TeX's algorithms and hyphenation tables. It would make everything way easier to read and easier on the eye.

  25. An automatic porn suggester by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Funny

    much like what Pandora did for music, I want firefox to do for porn. If I allow it, it can read the porn sites I frequent and suggest new sites that I might enjoy.

    1. Re:An automatic porn suggester by maxume · · Score: 1

      In case you haven't come across it:

      http://www.squarefree.com/pornzilla/

      Not what you are asking for, but maybe a place to start.

      I know you were joking.

      --
      Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
    2. Re:An automatic porn suggester by Dirtside · · Score: 2, Funny

      Porndora?

      --
      "Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
  26. How to turn PDFs into pop-ups by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative
    When I click on a link that opens a PDF or other document, by default that should open in a separate popup.

    To solve this issue, remove the Adobe Reader plug-in from your Firefox plug-ins folder. This will cause Adobe Reader to launch in a separate process with its own window. Or just ditch Adobe Reader and install Foxit Reader, the PDF viewer with less bloat.

  27. fixing stuff that should be working already by edxwelch · · Score: 1

    Instead of doing yet another new theme, how about fixing stuff that should be working, like:
    * password manager should work for all sites (it doesn't work in yahoo, or any online bank sites, for instance)
    * download manager does not keep paused downloads across sessions
    * memory usage (need I say more)

    1. Re:fixing stuff that should be working already by k3vlar · · Score: 1

      Works for my online bank site.

      But besides that, wouldn't storing usernames and passwords for secure websites be a bad idea? I'm pretty sure that's why it doesn't do it for you.

      --
      Unlike porn, which yada yada rimshot hey-ooh!
    2. Re:fixing stuff that should be working already by edxwelch · · Score: 1

      "wouldn't storing usernames and passwords for secure websites be a bad idea?"
      No, because you have the choice of not storing the password at all (duh).
      Opera works with all sites

    3. Re:fixing stuff that should be working already by jonwil · · Score: 1

      The password manager in mozilla is actually working as designed.
      Sites like yahoo and online banks use the HTML autocomplete attribute (part of web standards) to specifically reqest that autocomplete functions do not store the passwords etc.

    4. Re:fixing stuff that should be working already by edxwelch · · Score: 1

      That's totally idiotic. The user should have a choice of what sites to store their password.
      Yahoo in this case is making a bad assumption, that the the user is too stupid to know when it's safe to store passwords.
      Firefox should treat the users needs first, and just ignore the attribute (just like Opera does)

  28. they won't really listen to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Having followed this particular argument for a while, I have little faith left in the devs' ability to listen to good advice.

    1. Re:they won't really listen to us by Muramasa · · Score: 1

      No kidding,

      the Mozilla bugzilla is like some kind of sick joke. If you're not going to listen to users or fix bugs why bother?

  29. Less is more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about less features, a spelling checker and things like that sound like too much bloat to me. One reason is that my operating system already has one built-in and the second reason is that I wonder how well it will spell check non-english.

  30. Easy fix. by eddy · · Score: 1

    They could remove the "[No]" which doesn't seem to be too useful. What, I'm going to suddenly change my mind after n irritations? Seems like a less likely event than someone initially wanting to answer "Never ask again". Just make it "Yes", "No (for this site)" and "Never ask again, thank you." Problem solved.

    --
    Belief is the currency of delusion.
    1. Re:Easy fix. by mkoenecke · · Score: 1

      I use the "No" all the time, when I'm accessing a site where (a) I don't know if I will be using repeatedly or not, or (b) I don't know if the user name / password combo is correct. That is, I don't want *anything* about this site to be stored, whether "don't ask to save a password here" or "save the password for this site." I want a limited number of sites stored in my preferences, and don't want to have to go through and purge the list more often than I have to.

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      TANSTAAFL
    2. Re:Easy fix. by Kijori · · Score: 1
      This button is useful for a few things:
      • If you're not sure if the username/password you're entering is correct; you want it to remember the combination, but you don't want it to remember it wrong and get in the way
      • You have multiple accounts, e.g. an admin account and a member account. If you only log in with the admin account periodically, you want it to save member passwords but not the admin one.
      • If you're coding and are creating throwaway accounts until you get it working perfectly, at which point you want it to remember the password
      • If someone else is using the computer; they don't want to change anything, either by saving a password or by telling it not to save the owner's.
      There will certainly be more; those are just uses I've had recently.
  31. Make it not suck RAM like a whore sucks cocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I'd quite like it if it didn't go down more often than Malda on Hemos.

  32. Per site Shockwave Flash disabling!!! by Programmer_Errant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Preferrably with control on the main panel to disable those sites with annoying float over ads that obstruct the view of the article you are trying to read. This is important since the Shockwave Flash positions itself as a mechanism for advertizers to bypass browser controls. Shockwave needs to be seriously slapped down.

    1. Re:Per site Shockwave Flash disabling!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not just (a) use that "flash click to view" extension or (b) quit whining and uninstall the fucker?

      My advice is b.

    2. Re:Per site Shockwave Flash disabling!!! by ppz003 · · Score: 1

      Use the above suggestion or try NoScript In the options, there is an option to block flash and other plugins as well.

    3. Re:Per site Shockwave Flash disabling!!! by KugelKurt · · Score: 1

      Firefox (and all other Mozilla browsers) already support that feature. It's just hidden.

      HowTo:
      1. Quit Firefox.
      2. Open the file hostperm.1 (in your profile dir) with a text editor.
      3. Add the following line:
      host object 2 www.macromedia.com
      (the spaces between host, object, etc are tabs)
      4. Open Firefox and surf to http://www.macromedia.com/software/flash/about/. Firefox should not display any Flash stuff.
      5. ???
      6. Profit. ;-)

    4. Re:Per site Shockwave Flash disabling!!! by xenoterracide · · Score: 0

      adblock or adblock plus and the Adblock Filterset.G Updater

    5. Re:Per site Shockwave Flash disabling!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If anything, this is an argument for what others have been suggesting - Everything remains as an extension, but included with the official release. Flashblock suits your needs exactly, and would, IMHO, be a candidate for inclusion.

  33. Keybindings by swarsron · · Score: 1

    Make keybindings as easy and complete as in opera. There is an extension which lets you configure some keybindings but there is nothing even close to what you can do in opera. I like vim movement in all my apps and i can do most of what i want with the extension but i think that's a feature which should be possible without extension (there is not even a real need for a gui for this, a config file would be fine. currently everything is spread over multiple files in xml iirc)

  34. Memory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop using all of my goddamned memory.

  35. My suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    * Faster performance.
    * Less memory usage.
    * More standards compliant.
    * More secure.

    * Support CSS3 and some more SVG stuff.
    * Don't add a ping="...

    * Make Firefox NOT add URLs to the address bar history list if the domain name entered does not resolve.

  36. Voting? by roubles · · Score: 1

    They should have a site where people can vote for features. That way they'll know how popular a particular feature might be ... and that might help them decide what features to implement first. Something like vim does here http://www.vim.org/sponsor/vote_results.php

    I'd like to see support for multi row tabs to be native in firefox (I currently get this from the Tab Mix Plus extension). This feature is already on the 'Feature Brainstorming' wiki - but I have no way to reaffirm support for it.

  37. Per-plugin memory accounting by Jimmy_B · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Provide a way to get a list of all the loaded extensions and plugins, and how much memory each is using. That will silence all the people who install memory-leaking extensions and complain that FF itself leaks memory, and also force the authors of those extensions to fix the leaks.

    1. Re:Per-plugin memory accounting by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      Provide a way to get a list of all the loaded extensions and plugins, and how much memory each is using. That will silence all the people who install memory-leaking extensions and complain that FF itself leaks memory, and also force the authors of those extensions to fix the leaks.

      I've thought for a long time that there would be significant benefits in running the extensions in their own processes instead of part of the firefox process. It would isolate their memory (memory leaks are easier to see and they can't clobber the memory owned by anything else so less security holes), and an extension crashing need not take down the entire browser.

  38. Different password handling by Rumagent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Number one on my list:

    Wait until the password has been accepted before offering to save it.

    Other than that. Slim it down to the bare minimum and let people customize it with extensions.

    1. Re:Different password handling by Chapter80 · · Score: 1
      Wait until the password has been accepted before offering to save it. I agree with the need, but how can the browser tell if a website has accepted your password? Whether it's accepted or denied, a web page comes back. It's the content of the web page that tells you, the user, that it wasn't accepted.

      Perhaps a box should stay on screen until you close it (with "keep" or "discard" password). Then you can try it, and verify, and then let Firefox know the results.

    2. Re:Different password handling by Rumagent · · Score: 1

      "Whether it's accepted or denied, a web page comes back."

      Yes, but shouldn't that be enough? At that point you are able to make an informed decision about whether to store the password or not - it is a simple matter of reading the page which is returned.

    3. Re:Different password handling by loconet · · Score: 1

      Imagine Firefox asking you if you would like to remember the password when you are looking at an "Incorrect Password" screen. What is more annoying?

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      [alk]
    4. Re:Different password handling by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Imagine Firefox asking you if you would like to remember the password when you are looking at an "Incorrect Password" screen. What is more annoying?

      Speaking from experience, actually having firefox remember incorrect passwords is about as bad as it can get.

      --
      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    5. Re:Different password handling by Rumagent · · Score: 1

      I see your point. However, wouldn't it be preferable to it saving the wrong password?

  39. New Name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Firefox hasn't changed its name recently. I think it's about time for something new.

    1. Re:New Name by Chaffar · · Score: 1
      Firefox hasn't changed its name recently. I think it's about time for something new.
      I hear a lot of people recently voted to call it IceWeasel.
    2. Re:New Name by pile0nades · · Score: 2, Funny

      Great Idea! I think the new name should be IceWeasel! Way Cooler than Firefox!

  40. Suggestions by certel · · Score: 1

    My only suggestion and would be to ensure that the application doesn't crash. Mission accomplished so far.

  41. 4 things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    1. A fix for this javascript DoS attack:
    for(;;) alert("Please restart your browser.");

    2. Make hotkeys work everywhere, all the time. (You know when you hit CTRL+L and nothing happens)

    3. Make it possible to open javascript links in new tabs.

    4. Support for soft hypens.

    1. Re:4 things by Ash-Fox · · Score: 4, Insightful
      A fix for this javascript DoS attack:
      for(;;) alert("Please restart your browser.");
      What would be nice is to have those pesky dialogs part of the window they belong to, in their own little UI. So they don't block me from changing anything in the address bar, looking at other tabs etc.
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      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
    2. Re:4 things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      1. A fix for this javascript DoS attack:
      for(;;) alert("Please restart your browser.");

      While you can protect against that specific case and setting a memory limit could help, the only defense against javascript is to disable it. WARNING: fork bomb!



      3. Make it possible to open javascript links in new tabs.

      How about a "web designer heuristics mode" that lets us open these links with javascript disabled by attempting to discern the URI without actually running any script? Or web masters could just fix their sites, whichever is easier I guess:P

    3. Re:4 things by Orange+Crush · · Score: 1
      3. Make it possible to open javascript links in new tabs.

      I second that one whole-heartedly! (unless there's already an extension?)

    4. Re:4 things by MConlon · · Score: 1
      4. Support for soft hypens.

      I was just looking at this problem yesterday. It's amazing that the soft hyphen bug has been open since 1999, and still hasn't been dealt with. But if I read the Bugzilla comments correctly (check out bug #9101) this will be fixed in the next major Gecko release, which will be used in Firefox 3.0. So the seven-year wait is almost over.

      MJC

    5. Re:4 things by bcmm · · Score: 1

      I was going to suggest the JS fix! A good model to follow IMHO is Konqueror's: JS dialogs have "Yes", "No", and "Stop Script" buttons. They also have the originating domain name in the window title, to solve the problem, inherent in tabbed browsing, of wondering where a dialog came from.

      Re: the hotkeys: They really need to make the key for switching to the next tab configurable, because several Linux desktop environments like to use ctrl-tab for switching virtual desktops.

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      # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
      Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
    6. Re:4 things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we're talking bugfixes for niggles, rather than new features per se, I'll add my pet favourite:

      CTRL-Z in the address bar shouldn't reveal deleted browsing history.

    7. Re:4 things by anethema · · Score: 1

      "2. Make hotkeys work everywhere, all the time. (You know when you hit CTRL+L and nothing happens)"

      I actually use alt-d as it can be pressed easily with one hand. I've never had it not work either. Even works if you are in a menu, or have the right click context open.

      It has the unfortunate side effect of beeing the 'nudge' hotkey for msn, so careful!

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      It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
    8. Re:4 things by Nimey · · Score: 1

      It doesn't appear to do that in FF 2.0rc2 on Win32.

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      E pluribus sanguinem
    9. Re:4 things by hritcu · · Score: 1

      There were show-stoppers that had to wait for 3-4 years. Soft hypens? Who cares?

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      If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough. (Alan Kay)
    10. Re:4 things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're Mac users, they're used to waiting years for things we've had on other OSes for ages. Nothing to see here.

    11. Re:4 things by jsight · · Score: 1

      I'll 3rd it

    12. Re:4 things by illuminatedwax · · Score: 1

      But the problem is that Firefox is so advanced it can actually stop a script when it thinks it has run out of control. But they were so worried about that they forgot about a very simple flaw: when an "alert" box pops up it disables the entire freaking window. You can't close the web page or switch to a new tab! So when you get a ton of them, the advanced infinite loop/too much processing trigger doesn't fire, but you're still stuck anyway! The irony is that this is really easy to fix, but it's has been completely overlooked.

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    13. Re:4 things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sweet!

    14. Re:4 things by darkpurpleblob · · Score: 1
      I was going to suggest the JS fix! A good model to follow IMHO is Konqueror's: JS dialogs have "Yes", "No", and "Stop Script" buttons.


      Adding an extra button that most users won't understand to solve a problem that occurs in a very small minority of web pages? Ugh!
    15. Re:4 things by bcmm · · Score: 1

      Well, maybe a keyboard shortcut then. And it's not just "a problem that occurs in a very small minority of web pages". It's a potential deliberate DOS. It's something that will cause you to loose the email you're writing in another tab because someone thought it would be funny to IM you a link to a looping page.

      --
      # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
      Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
    16. Re:4 things by darkpurpleblob · · Score: 1

      If it's a keyboard shortcut most people won't discover the functionality. Yes, it is a deliberate DOS. I fully understand the data loss potential. But it's not worth having the extra confusing button on script dialogs to solve a problem that is caused by a very, very small minority of web pages.

    17. Re:4 things by bcmm · · Score: 1

      Hmm... what about the close button on the popup window? That could cause a warning in layman's terms about the consequences of killing the script. Closing the window is something that most users try when pressing "OK" is just causing the problem to repeat.

      --
      # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
      Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
    18. Re:4 things by darkpurpleblob · · Score: 1

      IIRC the JavaScript confirm dialog is modal which will prevent you from closing the window.

    19. Re:4 things by bcmm · · Score: 1

      I know it's modal. That's the problem.

      I meant the close button of the Javascript dialog.

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      # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
      Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
    20. Re:4 things by darkpurpleblob · · Score: 1

      You've just moved the problem elsewhere. You're still displaying a message that is irrelevant (and potentially confusing) to users when they attempt to close a JavaScript confirm dialog that has been opened without malicious intent.

  42. Already in FF2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just un-tick 'remember passwords for sites' in the configuration.

    1. Re:Already in FF2 by Psychofreak · · Score: 1

      There should be a help link that brings up a short-and-sweet dialogue that has an explaniation on how to manage your stored passwords and such.
      Phil

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  43. I don't care what the two new features are ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as they use the 'Sys Rq' and 'Scroll Lock' button.

  44. Moving forward, not standing still by sane? · · Score: 5, Interesting
    OK, given that IE7 will be here soon, Firefox needs to move forward substantially to maintain its interest for the general public, so here's my list:
    • Full SVG support, integrated and sorted (should have been done before)
    • X3D built in (getting 3D content working is the obvious next step)
    • Interpolated image resize (smooth the damn images)
    • Antialias all text & transparent GIFs (obvious, surely)
    • Whole page zoom (particularly useful when your display size and the designers expectation don't match)
    • Startup Tabs (you usually go to the same round of sites when you turn on in the morning, so...)
    • Task based bookmark histories and easy note taking (keep research in order and reproducable)
    1. Re:Moving forward, not standing still by k3vlar · · Score: 1

      Startup tabs are already available. Just add more homepages separated by semicolons.
      While I agree with the rest of your points, Anti-aliasing text and GIFs is nearly impossible. Text, for one, is already anti-aliased. Just turn on cleartype in windows. If you're on linux or mac, it should already be on anyways. GIFs are impossible to anti-alias as they are, since the transparency is strictly on or off. To anti-alias them, you would either need to change the GIF spec (to make it more like PNG), or run them through an algorithm that attempts to smooth them, and the result would look horrible. Even photoshop can't do this after a few hours of tinkering, the image looks like crap, and I end up just drawing over it by hand again.

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      Unlike porn, which yada yada rimshot hey-ooh!
    2. Re:Moving forward, not standing still by TheFlyingGoat · · Score: 4, Informative

      Startup Tabs (you usually go to the same round of sites when you turn on in the morning, so...)

      1. Open up all the tabs you want to open on startup.
      2. Go to Options and click "Use current pages" in the Home Page Location setting.

      You can also enter them by hand in this field by separating tabs with a |.

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    3. Re:Moving forward, not standing still by Taimoor · · Score: 1

      >> Startup Tabs (you usually go to the same round of sites when you turn on in the morning, so...)

      They've had that for awhile now. Just type the urls in the home page box, seperated by a | character.

    4. Re:Moving forward, not standing still by The+Raven · · Score: 1

      You can't anti-alias transparent GIFs. That's a limitation of the GIF format... instead, use transparent PNGs.

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    5. Re:Moving forward, not standing still by sane? · · Score: 2, Informative

      What I had in mind was slightly different. When you first turned it on after a defined period it would open all the tabs you normally check. However you would still have only one homepage, and if you clicked on the home button you would only get that page, not the whole set. I don't think it already does that, does it?

      I use my homepage as a navigator, so I don't want 10 pages opening every time I click on it.

    6. Re:Moving forward, not standing still by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      When you first turned it on after a defined period it would open all the tabs you normally check. However you would still have only one homepage, and if you clicked on the home button you would only get that page, not the whole set. I don't think it already does that, does it?
      A easy workaround is modifying the Firefox shortcuts on your desktop, and just add the parameters url1|url2|url3 etc. Granted it's not easy, but then again, I'm not sure redefining what a 'homepage' is, is good either.

      I would suggest if you wanted a specific button, to use the 'bookmark toolbar', if you're worried about space, like I am. You can right click customize and move the 'toolbar' thingy next to the file menu (sample (LSL wiki button being a bookmark).
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    7. Re:Moving forward, not standing still by sane? · · Score: 1

      I know that.

      However since there are many, many transparent GIFs out there its useful to try and improve the look of them. Particularly so since you already have the code for full alpha PNGs in there. Taking the existing jaggy transparent GIFs it is possible to recognise the edges of the 1 bit alpha mask and create smoother alpha values, extrapolating edge color values appropriately to arrive a smoother GIF image edges.

      Yes its a hack, and I'll guess there are some smart algorithms out there to do it better than I describe, but it terms of making old webpage look better it should be achievable (I think) since its possible to merge the result into the PNG rendering.

      Ideal would probably be to incorporate the animated GIF functionality into the PNG path and then focus on routines to convert GIF images on the fly to PNGs - doing what is possible on the fly to improve the quality and ending up with only one rendering path.

    8. Re:Moving forward, not standing still by jb.hl.com · · Score: 1

      Antialiasing text is a job for the OS/X server; antialiasing images is a job for those who make GIFs for web pages. If you want to see Firefox's bloat increase incredibly, include both of the above.

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    9. Re:Moving forward, not standing still by sane? · · Score: 1

      My thought on it was very simple, a folder in the bookmarks called 'startup'. Anything you put in there was opened in tabs when firefox was started up for the first time in the day.

      5 mins effort I'll guess, if you have access to the guts of the thing.

    10. Re:Moving forward, not standing still by jsebrech · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Many web pages depend on GIF's all-or-nothing transparancy rendering. Fixing the pages that weren't designed with GIF's limitations in mind would break those that were.

      It's the task of the web developer/designer to make the site pretty. The browser shouldn't try to second-guess them by modifying images to disobey what the image spec specifies. Not by default anyway. I have no beef with this feature being an extension.

    11. Re:Moving forward, not standing still by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      My thought on it was very simple, a folder in the bookmarks called 'startup'. Anything you put in there was opened in tabs when firefox was started up for the first time in the day.
      Honestly, I think it's better if we leave homepage as homepage, and in your specific need to just use the bookmark toolbar.
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    12. Re:Moving forward, not standing still by ceri · · Score: 1
      # Startup Tabs (you usually go to the same round of sites when you turn on in the morning, so...)


      Setting your Home Page to a pipe-delimited list of URLs accomplishes this.

      eg. A Home Page of "http://slashdot.org/|http://www.google.com/" would result in two tabs with those URLs loaded into them.
    13. Re:Moving forward, not standing still by pile0nades · · Score: 1

      "Just add more homepages separated by semicolons." Its the pipe character "|" not the semicolon.

    14. Re:Moving forward, not standing still by Excors · · Score: 2, Informative
      Full SVG support, integrated and sorted (should have been done before)

      "Full SVG" doesn't make it entirely clear what you want, given the different versions and profiles. Most web browser developers seem to dislike the recent SVG Tiny 1.2, because its design is unsuitable for the web. Mozilla already has bloat problems with their SVG implementation (partly their fault, partly because the spec is large and complex), and some developers want a simpler SVG because most people don't actually need SVG - they just want proper scalable images in web pages. (The same applies for wanting animated PNGs, but not needing MNG). None of that is an excuse for bugs or missing features in what they've already decided to try to implement, though.

      Whole page zoom seems to be an area where Firefox is falling behind at the moment - as far as I can see, the plan is to do that for Firefox 3 (which has a new graphics system) some time next year. I believe that new graphics system will let them do nicer image resizing too.

    15. Re:Moving forward, not standing still by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not the same thing as a set of startup tabs, though. If one does what you suggest, sure starting up works -- but you lose the ability to press the home button and have your real single home page appear. That price is too high. For me, anyway.

    16. Re:Moving forward, not standing still by Chris+Brewer · · Score: 1

      FF1.5 already supports multiple home pages. Separate them with '|' in the preferences or click 'Use Current Pages' when you have them all open.

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    17. Re:Moving forward, not standing still by AnonChef · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try the morning coffee extention.
      This extension lets you organize websites by day and open them up simultaneously.
      https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2677/

    18. Re:Moving forward, not standing still by snafu109 · · Score: 1

      Startup Tabs (you usually go to the same round of sites when you turn on in the morning, so...)

      It's not obvious, but you can do this already in Firefox 1.5.x (any maybe in 1.0.x?) by setting your start page to site1|site2|site3. This will open each site in a new tab when you first open the browser.

    19. Re:Moving forward, not standing still by BZ · · Score: 1

      > Full SVG support

      Which "SVG"? 1.1? 1.2?

      1.1 is incredibly badly written, self-contradictory, and inconsistent with other W3C specs (making it impossible to implement both it and those other specs).

      1.2 has most of the same problems (to a lesser degree), _and_ built-in security holes (raw socket access APIs, anyone?).

      So implementing all of either one is just not happening. All thank the SVG (also known as "we need a Flash competitor for cell phones; screw everything else") working group.

  45. Re:More feature removals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The google searchbox can go. I am aware that it's a cash cow so feel free to include it as an extention enabled by default but it it is annoying and could definatively go.

  46. JavaScript links by Hangin10 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've yet to find an extension for this, so if there is one, please let me know.

    It's all too often when I middle-click a link to open in a new tab, only to get the tab being "Untitled" and the URL starts with "javascript:". Is it too much to ask that Firefox detect a javascript link and prevent it from opening in a new tab (or window, but usually I catch those), and merely run the javascript?

    1. Re:JavaScript links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it is too much to ask, since the javascript function in the page itself is what is opening a new window.
      To catch the basic non-customised functions that open windows use the Smart Middle Click extension - http://dmextension.mozdev.org/misc.html

    2. Re:JavaScript links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it isn't. Why not just execute the code? I don't care whether it opens a new window, or does something ridiculously complex with my click. I just don't want to sit there expecting something to happen, and go "wtf", and then see "Untitled" and a blank tab. I looked at the feature request page, and what I asked for is already in there. So there.

      Perhaps you misunderstood me? I'm saying, the javascript link could do anything. I'm saying when I click it to open in a new window, or in a new tab, it should do what the link wants to do in the context of the original page, instead of doing what I told it (the new window or tab), which just results in wasted time. Maybe the link IS going to open a new window, but if I opened the link in a new window (or tab), it doesn't do that.

    3. Re:JavaScript links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't work* with Firefox 1.5.7 or any version after 1.5.

      *Probably just a version number issue but still...

    4. Re:JavaScript links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NoScript tries to do this and it works fairly well for me.

    5. Re:JavaScript links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again, not what I'm asking for.

  47. Eliminate browser catatonia! by Goonie · · Score: 1
    With regards to stability and reliability:
    • Fix the inability to handle large text boxes. I presume there's a quadratic algorithm in somewhere, and I very much doubt there's a need for one.
    • Fix the browser catatonia that occurs when it's doing name lookups. Can't all the network connections be handled in a separate thread/process?
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  48. Lasers, people! by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can't I get a shark with freakin' lasers? Is that too much to ask?

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    1. Re:Lasers, people! by mu22le · · Score: 2, Funny

      A pony!!!!! I want a pony!!!!!!!

    2. Re:Lasers, people! by CTho9305 · · Score: 1

      So they need an about:shark?

  49. I've beating this drum for a long time... by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 1

    But how about 100% standards compliance on the CSS front? This goes for CSS1, CSS2, and the nearly complete CSS2.1. I'm quite sure with things going as they are, CSS3 ought to be available by the time Firefox 3.0 makes a debut.

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    1. Re:I've beating this drum for a long time... by Vexorian · · Score: 1

      Firefox 3 will use new gecko which passes the acid 2 test.

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  50. one long standing wish by archen · · Score: 1

    My main wish is to be able to configure the mouse menu. Then I could remove crap like "send this link".

    1. Re:one long standing wish by Asm-Coder · · Score: 1

      I second this.

  51. Re:More feature removals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The google searchbox can go. I am aware that it's a cash cow so feel free to include it as an extention enabled by default but it it is annoying and could definatively go.

    It already is basically an extension enabled by default. It takes, what, five seconds to remove it?

  52. Forgot another annoyance by Rumagent · · Score: 2, Funny

    Shortcut stupidity

    The browser layout is: ||adressebar || ||Searchbar ||

    However, the shortcut is ctrl+k for search and ctrl+l for search - that is to say the exact opposite (at least on a danish keyboard) orientation of the addresse and search bar. Stupid and avoidable usability error which is impossible to fix now as everyone has grown used to it:(

    1. Re:Forgot another annoyance by sharkey · · Score: 1

      Wierd. On QWERTY keyboards, CTRL+L is the address bar, not search.

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    2. Re:Forgot another annoyance by Rumagent · · Score: 1

      Argh... son of a b...

      You are correct. It is truly beautiful how I bash others for making mistakes, and cannot be bothered to read before posting.

      ctrl+k = search, ctrl+l = addresse. Which is silly, regardless of my inability to make a decent post:)

    3. Re:Forgot another annoyance by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      In standard unix shortcuts, Ctrl-K cuts from the cursor position to the end of line. Hence thou shalt not use it for search. After you've ticked on the unix shortcuts option, you can access search with Ctrl-L followed by Tab, assuming it's the field next to the address bar.

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    4. Re:Forgot another annoyance by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      Ctrl-L has been a shortcut (for "Location") for far longer than anyone ever thought to integrate a search bar into a browser.

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  53. JavaScript that works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For example:
    1. create style object
    2. set it's attributes
    3. create div object
    4. createdDiv.style=styleFromFirstStep
    5. all attributes of createdDiv.style are empty

    I'm not saying that Firefox isn't a brilliant piece of software, but I would rather see existing functionality to be fixed than getting a new version with more features.

  54. Convert Tab To Window by camperdave · · Score: 1
    Here's a few suggestions:
    1. A close tab "X" on each tab
    2. The capacity to convert a tab (and any tabs opened from links on that tab) to a new browser window. Many times I've been, you know, skimming through Slashdot and I've come across something interesting, so I open it up in a new tab and finish skimming. Sometimes I'll open a few sub tabs. Anyways, I wind up with a "dozen" tabs open. It'd be nice to shunt the related tabs off to a new window.
    3. ... or perhaps a mechanism to collapse the tabs into a tab plus a sub-tab menu.
    4. When a webpage tries to load something needing an unrecognized plug-in Firefox does not tell you anything about the problem so trying to find the plug-in to install is made difficult. A simple "Unable to locate plug-in for gobbledygook.prx" error message would at least point you in the right direction.
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    1. Re:Convert Tab To Window by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      I found these features in RC v2 (not showing all you requested are shown because I am lazy).

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  55. Duplicate Filter by ArikTheRed · · Score: 1

    I'd like a feature that filters out dup articles :)

  56. Extension Export by TheUni · · Score: 1

    I would love to be able to export an entire set of extensions for use one another machine. Just package them up, and install. I know i can just copy my profile, but i have lots of machines that i use on many different platforms. This would allow for other fun things too. you could package several extensions together for distribution. Adblock+Filterset.G, anyone? or NoScript+Flashblock? I think the extenstions are what make firefox so powerful. Let's see them extend the possibilities...

  57. Webmail? by xant · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Check out Freenigma.

    No need to thank me, it was a Slashdot post that tipped me off. ;-)

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  58. Gimme by LouisZepher · · Score: 1

    What I would like to see is some of the community-created extensions built into the sofware. "What about bloat, though?" some would ask, in which case I say this: Include the features in seperate download, and then include the "custom" option during install. Furthermore, some of the more popular extensions -especially those relating to Tab options- should be incorporated into the normal options dialogue (TabMixPlus, for example).

    Also, although I know I can add search engines myself, I'd like to see Wikipedia inlcuded in the default list.

  59. Better Yet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am a Linux user who is sick and tired of web sites telling me to download Flash 8. Let's be more ambitious with flash and develop an alternative completely open source version. It can be kept up to date much faster, can be made to honour local settings, and it could even "block" itself as part of its own design. Bundle it with Firefox and then we will be able to break the last proprietary stronghold on web browsing.

    1. Re:Better Yet. by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      I'd vote for you for president, but I can't coz you posted AC :(

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    2. Re:Better Yet. by Nimey · · Score: 1

      There is a Free flash-alike: Gnash.

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  60. MSIE compatibility by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    This is - by far - my main reason for not using firefox.

    Just a short time ago, I had to boot of Linux, and into Windows, because a web-site I needed to use didn' work with firefox, or opera.

  61. better "bookmark this page!!!" by bigbigbison · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While I know that you can right click to access a menu to add a pare as a bookmark, I really really hate the fact that in the bookmark menu the add bookmarks and manage bookmark controls scroll with the rest of the bookmarks. I can't tell how many times I've been at the end of a long list of bookmarks and had to scroll all the way back up to the top of the list to access the "bookmark this page!" In IE6 the manage and add "favorites" menu items stay put. That's teh ONLY thing that IE does better than Firefox!

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    1. Re:better "bookmark this page!!!" by belg4mit · · Score: 1

      Keyboard accelerators: C-d

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    2. Re:better "bookmark this page!!!" by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. Are you using bookmarks in some way I haven't thought of?

      Are you talking about the Bookmarks menu, in the menu bar? If so: If you wanted to bookmark the current page, why would you scroll through your list of bookmarks first?

      Are you talking about the Bookmarks sidebar? I never use that, but (at least on 2.0RC2) I'm not seeing a "bookmark this page" option there.

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    3. Re:better "bookmark this page!!!" by SimplyI · · Score: 1

      The "home" and "end" keys work in that menu, at least in 1.5 on XP. You can test it with Alt-B End Home

  62. Active X Support by arthurpaliden · · Score: 4, Funny

    Untill Firefox supports 'Active X' components it will never achive the market penetration that it requires to displace IE. Supporting 'Active X' components, a Microsoft web standard, will also make it more acceptable to corporate IT departments since lagacy web services will not have to be re-written in order to run in its non Microsoft standard environment resulting in a lower cost of conversion.

    1. Re:Active X Support by hritcu · · Score: 1
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  63. Proper multi-user support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like proper multi-user support in both Unix and Windows:

    1. Security updates: allow non-root users to update the main system copy by prompting for the root (or Windows Admin) password.

    2. Multi-user networks: allow Firefox to be installed on a network device and completely runnable from that device, along with customizable paths for the cache/configuration data, and integration with Windows Policies. It would be extra-nice if FF had zero Windows registry dependencies. See https://oalinfo.tamu.edu/faq/faq_viewer.asp?faqID= 55 for the reasons I can't use Firefox on school computers.

    3. Ability to back up and restore the password store to/from ASCII file.

    4. Ability to completely pack up a user's data (passwords, bookmarks, history, font settings, even cache) to a single archive file that can be passed around a USB stick. So that when I go to a new computer, I can start FF and point it to the USB file and it will immediately behave like my home copy.

    1. Re:Proper multi-user support by toadlife · · Score: 1

      In that FAQ you posted, the biggest issue is the lack of an official* msi installer and the lack of official* GPO support. With those two requirements met, all of the other issues could be managed easily.

      Mozilla's lack of support for Active Directory integration has frustrated me for years. People have been requesting the said features for years, and the Mozilla developers have basically ignored them, or at best paid lip service to them. With all of the money they have it baffles me they would ignore these requests, as they would be sure to drive corporate adoption through the roof.

      *No, for the vast majority of organizations, third party hacks are not acceptable in an environment with thousands of machines. The support for WIndows domain technologies needs to be native.

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  64. Facilitate content manipulation and extraction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1.
    One of the most useful features of Firefox is the ability to manipulate a web page before displaying it (e.g. Adblock, Greasemonkey, Stylish). Power users are taking advantage of the ability to customize web pages to suit their own needs. However, these customizations are becoming increasingly complex and varied. Different extensions can manipulate the page in conflicting ways and it can be unclear what will take precedence.

    There should be a processing pipeline where the page can be manipulated or accessed so that these manipulations are more clearly defined and easier to control. For example (page -> Microformat extraction -> Greasemonkey -> Chickenfoot -> Adblock -> Display the page). Conditional execution of a particular stage should be supported.

    2.
    Javascript,Python Ruby Consoles.
    There is a fierce demand for console access to web pages to manipulate content "on the fly", for testing and development purposes or to extract data (examples: Firebug, Chickenfoot).

    Firefox should provide facilities that are conducive to create these kinds of apps and even more powerful ones (Python console w/BeautifulSoup or Ruby console w/Hpricot)

    3.
    Roaming profiles:
    Many (most?) people use more than one computer. Is it that difficult to be able to store your profile on a central server and source your local Firefox profile from that? Storing browsing sessions would be a big plus.

    4.
    Somehow encourage semantic web pages (e.g. microformats). Often data is presented in a page in a manner which is easy to view but difficult for a computer to parse. I don't want to have to write a parser to extract the data from a page. The microformat detector should help with this, or more generally the metadata exposer proposal: http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.apps.fi refox/browse_frm/thread/16b9d61305fecba8
    See also PiggyBank extension.

  65. So Close by camperdave · · Score: 2, Funny

    Since I'm only a geek by avocation, rather than by vocation...

    So close to being a perfect pun: "Since I'm only a geek by avocation, rather than by a vocation..."

    Unless this happened.

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  66. Help for IE by jackharrer · · Score: 1

    Don't you think that creating this kind of page is a great help for IE? Of course they can read so they can as well use all ideas from it. If we want FireFox to win browser war we need to give it an edge.
    How else can we convince Joe User to switch? For them it's just a browser. They have no idea about security, CSS compliance and so. The only thing that works with them is features. Plain simple and useful. But if we post our thoughts on webpage IE will have them, Opera will have them, Safari will have them. Then how can we convince Joe User to install it? He doesn't need to install it, IE for him is THE SAME.

    I think Mozilla should ditch this kind of webpage. It should be substituted with simple 'Post a feature webpage' plus some moderators to filter them out. What do you think?

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  67. widescreen by superguy9 · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see a more efficient layout for widescreen laptops.

    Right now I'm using Gnome and Firefox and vertically, I'm using every pixel, but horizontally a lot of space is wasted.

  68. Minimize in Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Under Windows, I minimize FF 1.5.x and it does not return focus to the last open window (assuming FF and another window open and I minimize FF to access the other window). Before the 1.5.x line (possibly earlier, don't quite remember), it minimized and returned focus nicely. This is something I'd like to have back. If there is a solution to this, someone kindly point me there. And the memory issues people talk about...

  69. browser wishes.... by argoff · · Score: 1

    My wishes ...

    It would be nice if I can force javascript popups to open in another tab if I like ... and make so I can force those javascript hover-over ads to act 'hidden' without the javascript program knowing.

    I hate it when I hover over a link, and it doesn't tell me what it links to at the bottom of the page,
    can you force it?

    It woud be cool if the bookmarks, the view source, and the javascript debug could be opened in new tabs.
    If fact, why not put most all the menu options in a tab that can brought up by pressing F2 of something

    have a built in spell checker for posts (for /., you know)

    have an option on firefox where it won't play flash nor sounds unless I click on it. ... also, I know this is wishfull thinking but it would be nice if various movie formats,
    pdf, mp3, and ogg integrated into the linux browser by default. ( i know, too much proprietary crap ... wishfull thinking)

    have it so I can drag and drop tabs from one window to another (so I can consolidate stuff)
    Have an option so that if I go beyond a certain number of tabs, it will create 2 rows of them or more.

    Crazy wish ...

    Have a firefox plugin that renders X programs in different tabs, so I can use it as a window manager on Linux. ... or so I can open a linux xterm in a new tab. (great for development)

    NOTE: I recently set up firefox so that it loaded up my own local html page on startup which
    not only had all my favorite bookmarks on it, but also hacked it to have my most used Linux programs
    on it - that I can click and run. I love it. It's the best program manager I've ever had.
    I made it so that any reference to "shell:" will run a script I wrote, so that for example shell:tet
    will run the tetris program when clicked on.

    1. Re:browser wishes.... by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      I hate it when I hover over a link, and it doesn't tell me what it links to at the bottom of the page, can you force it?

      Generally no, because JavaScript can generate a link on the fly. In some cases, the site might simply do window.status=""; when you mouseover the link, which will blank out the status bar so you don't see the target URL. However, if the link itself runs JavaScript code, which in turn takes you to a new page, then no, there's no way for the browser to figure out which URL that will be.

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    2. Re:browser wishes.... by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      oops, I hit Submit before I had intended.

      have a built in spell checker for posts (for /., you know)

      This is fixed in 2.0.

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  70. My suggestions by jonwil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1.Improve the memory usage.
    2.Better ways to find extentions that are leaking resources.
    3.If a URL being displayed results in "host not found", "cant contact server" or an error such as 404, it should not be added to the history. Also, URLs should only be added to the history once they get past that step and actually recieve a "200 ok" reply from the server with a piece of data or something. (i.e. if I press escape to cancel loading before it actually loads, it shouldnt go in the history)
    4.Bring back MNG support.
    5.Better security features. I want to see a world where (once a small amount of initial setup is taken care of), encrypting and/or signing an email is as simple as clicking a button on the email compose form with the program doing the rest. (although this feature is probobly more a thunderbird feature than a firefox feature)

  71. MDI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    firefox uses tabs, but for some reason it doesn't use full multiple document interface. MDI is nice when 1. you're anal about having only one firefox window open, and 2. you want to compare several pages in that window.

  72. Open Source FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a look at the open source development process. While closed-source projects often ask their user community for feedback on requested features, the process is not usually open to the public.

    This has less to do with open source and closed source as it has to do with how a developement team goes about deciding what to work on next. Once again the open source community tries their best to look like idealists but instead falls flat on it's face.

  73. Group Policy Management? by roster238 · · Score: 1

    Perhaps it's time to take Firefox to the corporate world and allow it to be managed through MS Group Policy and ensure that it can be deployed in mass without user intervention. This would be the fastest way to gain corporate acceptance which would introduce Firefox to an entirely new audience.

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  74. Everything they took out before 1.0 by matt+me · · Score: 1

    A facility to observe when a website has alternate stylesheets and allowing you to switch between them.

  75. Agreed! by anethema · · Score: 1

    Primarily speed.

    Anyone who has used utorrent will know exactly how software SHOULD be developed.

    The WHOLE functioning program is 170kB. It is as or MORE feature rich than Azureus, which is a MUCH larger memory/cpu hog. Wish it was open source so everyone could learn how to code like that.

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    1. Re:Agreed! by Asm-Coder · · Score: 1

      Exactly my thoughts. I run utorrent all the time, and I suspect that if I left my computer on for months at a time it would never reach 10 MB of ram.

      Now if only they had a Linux version, I would try leaving it on my sever 24/365. (On the other hand, if it was open source, I know C++, and could modify/compile my own version for Linux. If it's clean code.)

  76. Everything they took out before 1.0a by matt+me · · Score: 1

    - A facility to observe when a website has alternate stylesheets and allowing you to switch between them. - The old history/bookmarks behaviour. You could select multiple entries in the list, so you wouldn't have to move them one at a time. - Other fixes specifically introduced to make Firefox more like IE. Like that stupid green 'go' triangle attached to the address bar. Now my parents, having typed a URL at the keyboard with their finger on return think it's mandatory to find the mouse, the button and click it. - Disabling useful functions by default. Find as you type. The greatest feature, enabled, new users find it instantly, ooh how handy. Disabled, who knows it's there to want? - Underlining links by default. == IE.

  77. I would actually like it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    small, ultra fast, less of a resource hog, and like said, leave everything else to extensions. That way, people can pick and choose. Like you can have a start screen where when you first get the browser, there will be a bunch of official extensions from Mozilla.org, and then they just check off the ones they want, and install them.

    I want the file-size back down to around 4-5 megs. I just want something fast, small, highly customizable(as far as looks, functionality and not bloated). That means no torrent downloader. It should be made an option from the official mozilla start screen, but if a user does not need it, then it doesn't have to be packed in.

  78. Active Directory integration by hoki_goujons · · Score: 1

    A plugin for AD admins to adminster FF as they do IE. Maybe then it'd appear as default browser in more big corporate sites.

  79. Memory problems by Kuciwalker · · Score: 1

    With a lot of tabs open I can easily get Firefox to grow to 500-600 MB. This is absurd, even on a system with 2GB memory.

  80. Waste of time... by psykocrime · · Score: 1

    The people running the show at the Mozilla Foundation / Corporation don't care about what the community wants. They know that they know best what everybody else needs, and they're going to give it to you, and you're going to like it whether you like it or not.

    Voting on bugs, working on this wishlist, posting to the wishlist newsgroup, are all a total waste of time and cycles. Just don't do it.

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    1. Re:Waste of time... by psykocrime · · Score: 1
      A great example of how Ben Goodger, Asa Dotzler, et al, don't show much regard for "community input:"

      From https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20451 9


        ------- Comment #64 From Sean Kent 2004-07-28 07:00 PDT [reply] -------

      (In reply to comment #57)
      > (From update of attachment 148928 [edit])
      > I don't think there's agreement yet that we even want this.

      Ben, exactly who is "we"? If by "we" you mean you and the other devs, I would
      point you to the 44 votes supporting this request. Out of over 800 FF bugs
      with at least 1 vote, it ranks #16! Not to mention that most of the 3rd party
      builders are now including this patch because they agree it adds value. So
      what exactly is the controversy? We are talking about adding a few lines of
      code, which will provide a feature that a LOT of users want. We have had a
      working patch for 2 months at this point - what is the harm in checking it in?

        ------- Comment #67 From Ben Goodger (use ben at mozilla dot org for email) 2004-07-30 16:53 PDT [reply] -------

      We = me, myself and I ;-D

      although I asked blake, asa and dbaron and they all tended to agree, I think.

      Click in the frame, and click print.

      ------- Comment #68 From Asa Dotzler 2004-07-30 16:56 PDT [reply] -------

      Not gonna happen. Make an extension.

        ------- Comment #70 From Asa Dotzler 2004-07-30 17:00 PDT [reply] -------


      And for anyone making the "It's got n votes argument," it's worth keeping in
      mind that there are over 60,000 people that have Bugzilla activity (and so every
      opportunity to vote for any bug). That would mean this bug has the support of
      approximately 0.073% of Bugzilla users. Then it's worth noting that Bugzilla
      users are approximately 60,000 of the most advanced users of the 740,000,000
      people connected to the web. That certainly isn't much of a case for real support.


      So why even have the vote feature in Bugzilla at all? What they're saying, in essence, is "We don't
      give a f%!k about votes, we know what's best for you, QED."

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    2. Re:Waste of time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They want more votes, duh.

  81. Hi! by douglips · · Score: 1
    It is truly beautiful how I bash others for making mistakes, and cannot be bothered to read before posting.


    Hi! You must not be new here.
  82. opposite problem by r00t · · Score: 1

    God damn PDF pop-up shit! Everything should always display within the browser without exception ever.

    (well, everything except the goatse.cx guy, which I don't want displayed in my browser -- though it's not really a pop-up thing either)

  83. Better image map support? by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1

    How about supporting id on client-side image maps when the pages that they're on are served as text/html? It's the only major browser that doesn't support this.

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    1. Re:Better image map support? by BZ · · Score: 1

      So basically, "screw the HTML spec in this case", eh? ;)

    2. Re:Better image map support? by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1

      The XHTML spec reads differently.

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  84. Re:Offer two versions for download by ben+there... · · Score: 1

    That's a really good idea. Firefox has a modular extension system already. The core developers should use it more often. Anything that isn't necessary to core should be an uninstallable extension. Or to take that a step further, they could be disabled during installation, or not even downloaded unless enabled during installation. Built-in spellchecker, mouse gestures, phishing detectors, etc. come to mind as features that should be possible to completely remove.

  85. HOWTO: Feature Planning for Software Geeks by LadyLucky · · Score: 1
    There are a lot of different suggestions coming up here. How should they be evaluated? How do you compare between the guy that says 'keep it simple' and the guy that says 'put in the basic extensions'. The answers to these questions come down to a feature planning process. This is designed to ensure that your product direction is closely lined up with the direction of your business.

    Essentially, it runs like this:

    • Ensure you understand your Business Goals.
    • Distill that down into a set of Goals for your product - the product is driven by the business.
    • For each of the 'new feature requests', understand *why* they are being asked for - what's the need?
    • Group those feature requests together by the problems they are solving
    • Plan your roadmap around the Goals for your product, and include solutions to the problems that need solving to meet those goals.

    As an example, the goal of the organization might be to increase adoption of Firefox amongst non-technical users. As a subgoal, it might be to ensure that people that are currently using firefox do not migrate back to IE when Microsoft releases IE7.

    So: You product goals would be:

    • Make it as easy as possible to install firefox, immediately seeing the advantages
    • Make it easy for people to spread it via 'word of mouth'
    • Make it obvious to people using firefox how much it is protecting you - and how scared you should be of Internet Explorer

    Now you have a metric by which to choose features. This makes it obvious - you should include a lot of the basic extensions by default. New people picking it up will not come across adblock, foxclocks, new themes - and the like. Make that easier. Now that I've got my non-computer literate fiancee to use firefox instead of IE - how to I encourage her friends to use it? She loves it (no popup ads!) but I want to burn a CD with the extensions on it - but that's not easy.

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  86. 2 Requests: by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

    1. Catch up to KHTML, which is years ahead of you (and increasing) in both speed and standards compliance.
    2. Put MNG/JNG back in. Your reasons for not doing so sound increasingly stupid over time, and also they better describe MathML which didn't get removed. Also see #1.

  87. My Wishlist by FalleStar · · Score: 1

    FireFox was designed to be a light-weight browser so I do think that there should be a stripped down version for those who want a no bloat, lightening-fast, browser and then a full version with some extensions available to choose from. Some features from FF v3 I would like to see though are: A built-in UserAgent Spoofer Customizable context menus Although I agree it's a horrible security risk, ActiveX does have some legitimate uses so (on the Windows version) giving the option to open the page in IE may be a nice addition. Full compliance with CSS/2/3 Fix some of the memory issues, even though they're not near as bad as some might say as you can see here.

  88. The best change they could make... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THey should just copy Opera and make it run firefox extensions... do that and we would have the best browser EVER

  89. Apparently by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    only from people who are willing to register and login at their wiki, not from 'the public'.

    My two biggest requests would be

    1. An option to enable an *ABSOLUTE* restriction on new content windows. Even with the 'pop up blocker' fully enabled some sites still manage to open new windows. I would like these FORCED into new tabs, always, NEVER permitting additional content windows to open (dialogs for FF itself, preferences, etc would still be acceptable)

    2. An interative javascript debugger, that includes the ability to run scripts in a 'step mode', override/block the execution of specific js statements (or force conditional branches), and change the contents of variables.

    3. An ability to prevent detection of the absence of specific plugins, enabling the user to take control back of media served by websites (eg, "Sorry, you dont have Microsoft DRM-enforcing plugin X, so we wont serve this media to you" - the ability to force the site to just give the URI to the browser, and let the *USER* decide how to retrieve it and what to do with it from there)

    1. Re:Apparently by Excors · · Score: 1
      An interative javascript debugger, that includes the ability to run scripts in a 'step mode', override/block the execution of specific js statements (or force conditional branches), and change the contents of variables.

      Have you tried Venkman? That does stepping and lets you change variables, though I don't think it helps with your second point. There's also FireBug, as a lighter-weight way to set breakpoints and step through code.

    2. Re:Apparently by harmic · · Score: 1
      2. An interative javascript debugger, that includes the ability to run scripts in a 'step mode', override/block the execution of specific js statements (or force conditional branches), and change the contents of variables.

      Have you tried Firebug? The best JS debugger out there in my opinion. There is also Venkman, which I used to use a lot, but it seems a lot more bloated than Firebug.

      If you mean that a JS debugger should be part of the base install then I disagree: why bloat the browser with something less than 10% of users would even know how to use, let alone use on a frequent basis.

    3. Re:Apparently by BZ · · Score: 1

      > I would like these FORCED into new tabs

      There's already a pref for this. See http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsblame.cgi?file=mozill a/browser/app/profile/firefox.js&rev=1.164&mark=25 1,254#250

      No UI, but you can set this with about:config.

    4. Re:Apparently by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 1

      Hrm. I'll try it out and see how effective it is.

      BTW, I found a better URL for documentation on that pref:

      http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.link.open_newwin dow.restriction

  90. DragDrop and Proper Focus/Blur Please!! by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Firefox does not provide any reference to a dragdrop file from the users FileSystem.
    This is a HUGE issue as it prevents Drag and Drop file uploads for AJAX applications.
    Sure, there is a FF Extension to solve this, but requires the user to install for such a behavior to work.

    This should be a native solution. Can Firefox please reconsider their stance on this issue?
    For years, drag and dropping of files into application windows has been EXPECTED behavior.
    Firefox should allow AJAX applications the same sort of functionality.
    As it stands, Firefox is the only browser I can not create a strictly script based solution for.

    Below is an example. As we can see, the dragdrop event is useless except for preventing the dragdrop event from continuing propagation after we capture it.
    <html>
        <head>
            <title>dragdroptest</title>
            <script type="text/javascript">
                function doOnDragDrop(event)
                {
                    var t,ta;
                    var str = "Dumping Event Data:\r\r";
                    var d = document.getElementById("out");
                    var o = event;
     
                    for (var itm in o) { str += itm+": "+o[itm]+"\r"; }
     
                    t = document.createTextNode( str );
                    ta = document.createElement("TEXTAREA");
                    ta.setAttribute("style", "{height:100%; width:100%;}");
                    ta.appendChild(t);
                    d.appendChild(ta);
                    event.stopPropagation();
                }
     
                window.captureEvents(Event.DRAGDROP);
                window.addEventListener("dragdrop", doOnDragDrop, true);
            </script>
        </head>
     
        <body>
            <h4>Drag and Drop Files Onto Page</h4>
            <div id="out"/>
        </body>
    </html>
    Also, firefox (on Mac at least) does not properly recognize an onBlur when I click on a non-firefox application window.
    onBlur only happens when we click on a 2nd Firefox browser window - bad bad bad.
    This and the above dragdrop issue means that Firefox is not properly supporting OS integration.
    Addressing these issues would be huge in more robust user experience and application capabilities for AJAX developers.

    TIA for your consideration of these points.

    V
  91. how about open media (ogg) support by bigmammoth · · Score: 1

    Better native open media support would be ideal:
    http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Firefox_Ogg_Support outlines the specs for an ideal feature set.

  92. make the search box easier to extend by coaxial · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's absurd that I have to code up basically an extension to add a new search engine to the search box. Galeon has had the ability to add a new "smart bookmark" by just copying and pasting the appropriate URL for years. AcidSearch for Safari, will automatically find and add the appropriate search URL for you if you want. Firefox on the other hand is makes it incredibly difficult, or causes you to resort to those ugly Rollyo pages.

    Completely unacceptable, and worst of all, I don't even understand how they even thought that their approach was even remotely necessary.

    1. Re:make the search box easier to extend by thc69 · · Score: 1

      These days, I just make my own home page with forms for all my favorite searches. I extract the HTML from the search page and distill it to the minimum I require. Loads real fast off my hard drive and searches work better when I've tweaked them...

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    2. Re:make the search box easier to extend by coaxial · · Score: 1

      Yeah that sounds nice and all, but I just have acidsearch do that for me. Save me time and effort.

  93. Arrow bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometimes grey keys (arrows, home, end) stop working in edit controls and address field.
    It seems to be unperedictable. It happens since some time of working, or it may appear in
    new instance of FF, just launched (but while another instance already running)

  94. Pop goes the weasel. by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    Finally, that nursery rhyme makes sense. I always wondered why the poor weasel has to go 'pop'. The cruel bastards...

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  95. Easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An off switch for the memory leak : P

  96. SRP6 sorely necessary by Myria · · Score: 1

    There needs to be a way to have SRP6 authentication for HTTP. One of the reasons that phishing is so easy is because the server never proves to the client that it knows your password (or a hash of it). SRP6 authenticates in both directions without revealing the password hash to an eavesdropper, or to an impostor client or server. Combined with a secure password entry dialog box that can't be spoofed, this would do a lot to prevent phishing.

    Note that SSL alone is not enough to combat the problem. There exist phishing sites with valid SSL certificates. Sure, the domain name is different in the address bar, but phishing would never work if users actually read the address bar to begin with.

    The best would be SRP over SSL, although this is quite expensive because it would require double the number of large-exponent modular exponentiations on the server side.

    Melissa

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  97. What if I just want one home page? by j1m+5n0w · · Score: 1

    There doesn't seem to be an option anymore to do what most people are probably going to want to do, which is just set the homepage to whatever's in the current tab. One step forward, two steps back.

  98. Make search bar disappear by serano · · Score: 1

    Provide an option to set a time after which the Find bar disappears, e.g. 10 seconds. After that time it can slide down out of view. Also provide a hotkey that closes the Find bar, maybe CTRL+SHIFT+F.

  99. It does by burndive · · Score: 1
    The slashdot extension ought to have an OMG Ponies theme built into it

    Slashdotter

    One of the many selectable styles is called "OMG !!! ..."

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  100. What is in a tab stays in that tab by grimJester · · Score: 1

    As a more general rule, I don't want anything to have a larger scope than it needs.
     
    - Dialogs part of their own tab, functionality like menus, address bar etc not blocked.
     
    - Any sound from a tab in the background should be locked out.
     
    - If any bloody thing tries to resize the window, let it resize its own area rather than the whole Firefox window.
     
    I hate it when I open a link in new tab, keep reading the original page and the new tab resizes. It's also completely horrid when you've opened ten tabs to let them load in the background and some music starts playing without any way of knowing which tab to close to get rid of it.

  101. 'Working Offline' Feature by sanman2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Firefox needs a better 'Work Offline' feature. IE's is better.
    I suppose it's due to the whole Mozilla-Google bias of doing everything online, and away from the desktop where Microsoft reigns supreme.

    But as a user, I'd like the ability to work offline if possible.

    1. Re:'Working Offline' Feature by BigLug · · Score: 1

      Bah! Offline is so 1997

  102. No. by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    Just -- no.

    Javascript is the exactly wrong language for doing anything AI-like. Go back to your silly ALICE bots.

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  103. Graphics by pipingguy · · Score: 1

    Better contrast between the currently open tab and the other tabs.

  104. FF lite by zogger · · Score: 1

    Well, here's mine. A small light fast browser. It shows text and images. Tabs are swell, after that-leave it out. It has to be smaller lighter and faster than a barebones FF is now. LOW memory and CPU requirements, stable, secure, no cruft nor bloat,and designed from the ground up for Linux, not a one size fits nobody like they have now. I don't need a browser to wax the car while skindiving in the gulf and receiving stock ticker quotes via an automated blog that is pushed with an atomized RSS AJAXCOMET feed over a podcast that is mashed into a synergy of leveragisms. Nope, don't need it.

  105. EASY... by kisrael · · Score: 1

    Have ctrl-F search the frickin' textareas.

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  106. Stability by maiden_taiwan · · Score: 1

    I suggest stability. Firefox 1.5.* crashes every day or two on my Linux box. I've been an enthusiastic Firefox/Mozilla user for years; its stability is at a low on Linux.

  107. Sandbox as much as possible by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    Unless you can guarantee that it will be free of bugs (and therefore: security vulnerabilities), I think the [best] future of complex Internet clients is to be heavily sandboxed. They should have less capability than the user himself, so that when a compromise happens, the process doesn't have much access to anything.

    I don't know if that means that most of it should run as nobody, or if it should be chrooted, or whatever. But take away as many capabilities as you can. Jails: they're not just for servers anymore.

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  108. Re:Offer two versions for download by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bilt ni sepllchecker si s MUST!

  109. How about standards compliance? by Bogtha · · Score: 1

    It would be nice for Firefox to understand basic HTML 4 from 1997 like <em/foo/

    Yes, it's valid HTML 4. No, Slash hasn't mangled it. Try a validator if you don't believe me.

    You'd think that with all this lip-service they pay to standards compliance, they'd be able to catch up with the specifications published nine years ago.

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    1. Re:How about standards compliance? by BZ · · Score: 1

      > It would be nice for Firefox to understand basic HTML 4 from 1997 like em/foo/

      Sadly, doing this breaks lots of websites. Too many to be possible.

  110. Wishlist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1) Please integrate Audio, Video and everything else Flash has to offer.

    2) Please add a webserver. Yes, a webserver. I'm serious. Add it! It will change the way the internet works.

    1. Re:Wishlist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3) Please add Torrent support.

  111. Better Tab Docking by Enonu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With Eclipse, a Java IDE, you can position tabs in any logical assortment you see fit by just dragging the tab, e.g.:

    -----
    |1| |
    |-|2|
    |3| |
    -----

    is a perfectly valid tab configuration. Here, 1 & 3 take up the upper-left quarter and the lower-left quarter of the window respectively. 2 takes the entire right half. With larger monitors becomming the norm, this would be a great enhancement for those who would like to make better use of their horizontal space.

  112. For Mac OS X Users... by Bueller_007 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Compatibility with Mac OS X "Services", such as Chinese Text Converter, etc.

  113. Demonstrating the problems with open source by AaronLawrence · · Score: 1

    Reading the comments here, the majority of people want bugs fixed, performance improved, extra flexibility in installs and maintenance, or existing partially implemented features finished. There are thousands of quite valid bugs in bugzilla covering most of these.

    But of course, these jobs are distinctly unfun and tedious, so instead developers create a wiki looking for new answers that they like - exciting and fun new features to work on.

    Of the 20 or so bugs I voted on or logged to Mozilla bugzilla, only one or two have been fixed in about 3 years. It looks right now like the remainder will never be fixed.

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  114. Tabs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Make the tabs work like Firefox 1.5?

  115. Bug fixes. PLEASE ! by Etyenne · · Score: 1

    Maintenance is considered tedious by most programmers (for good reasons), and thus most would rather work on new features than on fixing existing ones. But please, ho please, could the Mozilla gang just go through their Bugzilla and have a look at lingering bugs and enhancement request ? There are bugs that have been assigned for *years* that are still lingering, with the devs just not providing any feedback about potential resolution. Either close them as WONTFIX, so people will know that it will not get worked upon anymore, or actually assign some ressource to it and have them fixed, once and for all. Or mark them as FIXED, if they happened to be somehow.

    Beside that, trimming the memory footprint would nice, as would be better standard support and better locale handling. Firefox (actually, Mozilla in general) is a pretty mature project now, so I would rather see incremental improvements in stability, performance and standard/locale support than any new whizbang feature.

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  116. A button to disable the history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like keeping a history of sites I visit, But I dont when Im looking at porn or surfing slashdot at work, so just a button to disable recording the history. That would make the history useful again.

    1. Re:A button to disable the history by Glenn+R-P · · Score: 1

      There is an addon called "distrust" that is supposed to do this. I haven't tried it, but here it is:

      https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1559/

  117. modular! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    modular;
    if there are toooo many features let the user decide what they want to include or disable.

    let we have feature where the plugins etc be enabled for particular sites & disabled for particular.

    multi line tab browser or a easy navigaion if you are opening over 30+ tabs

  118. Font Scaling -- Ugliness by Deeper+Thought · · Score: 1

    At certain font sizes, the letter spacing just looks bad... letters touching each other. IE probably avoids this by having only 5 font size selections. Firefox has ~50, but some in-between sizes just look bad.

  119. Copy/Paste much worse than IE6. Printing ugly too by Deeper+Thought · · Score: 1

    If I copy/paste part of a web page, esp. If I copy just part of a table -- and then try to paste this into Microsoft Word or Microsoft Excel, it doesn't work very well. The formatting and table cells get lost. IE6 does a much better job of copy/paste -- it preserves the formatting nicely. (I haven't tried OpenOffice/StarOffice -- I assume it's similar.)

    IE also seems to Print better -- the letter-spacing looks better, more WYSIWYG.

    I love Firefox, but I have to switch to IE quite often to copy/paste and print.

  120. lots of thing by It's+a+thing · · Score: 1
    In order from most strongly wanted to least:
    1. Get rid of the nonfree crap so we don't need the GNUzilla/IceWeasel fork. I heard that Mozilla and Google are doing something to replace the nonfree bug report extension. But there's still the plugin finder, which recommends only nonfree software. For PDFs there are plenty of free readers; for Flash, Gnash is getting there; and the GCJ plugin instead of Sun's Java. Recommend Mozplugger for anything else.
    2. Stability
    3. Stop stealing window focus! I miss so many IMs because the Firefox pushes the IM windows under.
    4. Fix print previews.
    5. KDE integration, especially the file selection dialog.
    6. An easy way to get rid of the search bar. I never use it.
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    Staring at a white background [on a computer screen] while you read is like staring at a light bulb — Maddox
  121. Merge patches quickly and release often by Quietti · · Score: 1

    how about merging patches submitted by distributions quickly and releasing more often, to avoid the current mess that resulted in the creation of Iceweasel, for starters?

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    Software is not supposed to be about how to work around a useability issue. - Ken Barber
    1. Re:Merge patches quickly and release often by BZ · · Score: 1

      When distributions submit patches, the get merged. Debian did NOT in fact submit patches.

  122. Easy and *documented* configuration settings by alexo · · Score: 1


    Trying to figure out which of the multitude of settings in about:config need to be changed to achieve a certain effect is a bitch.

  123. Stop button and cache. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Make the stop button work when I press it, not some time later, but when I press it. (I'm on dial-up, it can often take minutes before the browser will stop)

    2) On a related note, pausing a download should pause it when I request it to do so, not some time later, but now. It would also be nice to be able to resume a download after the browser has been closed or the computer restarted.

    3) A page is not "Done" as long as javascripts are still happily downloading crap. Make the status bar text aware of javascript actions. (grr I hate javascript)

    4) It would be really really nice if the browser did not start a new cache (without deleting the old one) should the power happen to go out or if another application causes the computer to lockup. I can understand the fear theat the last files downloaded might be corrupt, but that is no reason to reject the entire cache.

    (and of course, please optimise memory use)

  124. URL download by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would like to see that direct URL download feature that allows you to easily download a file where you don't have a page with a link you can right-click on (such as when you get the URL from outlook). That way you don't need to navigate to a particular PDF to save the file. Right now, I have a simple html page I made to get around this (linkDownload.href=txtURL.value) but I would prefer not to have to bother to install/recreate it on new machines.

  125. Shortcut key for closing find by bigwang · · Score: 1

    So you can use control + F to open up the find in page dialog, but how do you close it? Escape if the text box has focus, but what if it doesn't? Control + F should close the search box if it is pressed twice. Or another control + key combo.

  126. Save-As feature should create filename from title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    This one is probably trivial to fix:


    I go to this web site, and try to save the page:

          http://blogs.edmunds.com/karl/239


    IE saves it using this filename:

      Karl on Cars - GM's EV1 -- Who Killed Common Sense.htm


    Firefox saves it as:

      239.htm