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My Dream App For the Mac

Steve Streza writes "My Dream App, a Mac contest in search of the next killer app, features Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, Apple evangelist Guy Kawasaki, and Xbox and zune creator J. Allard as guest judges for its final round. Visitors can vote for their 3 favorite app ideas, and receive free licenses to both Overflow 2 and the Apple Design Award winning PhotoPresenter. Voting is open until Tuesday at 8:00 PM EDT, at which point the three winners will be announced. The winners, who will have emerged from an initial pool of more than 2,700 entrants, will see their app idea realized as a Mac shareware application and earn royalties on sales. "

249 comments

  1. No teledildonics? by bobalu · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sheesh, you call those choices? Give the people what they really want!

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    1. Re:No teledildonics? by garcia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Give the people what they really want!

      Software that's free, not shareware?

    2. Re:No teledildonics? by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 1

      I like the plant program. I would vote for the plant program, if I weren't too busy working to register on the forums.

    3. Re:No teledildonics? by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 1

      One of the real downsides to the new comment system is that you can't read the title of the post you're responding to. If you haven't had your morning tea yet, well, you're kinda screwed sometimes.

    4. Re:No teledildonics? by DittoBox · · Score: 2, Informative

      Free, or gratis? There's some really nice OS X software out there, it's all Shareware though. I'd love to see some really high-quality, OS X native (F?)OSS. There a few out there though. Some goodies include, Adium, Colloquy, Smultron and Cyberduck. I just wish skEdit were Free though.

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    5. Re:No teledildonics? by zobier · · Score: 1
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  2. Hmm by darkchubs · · Score: 5, Funny

    exchange a trillion dollar software idea for a legal copy of those other trillion dollar apps? Do I at least get a bumper sticker?

    1. Re:Hmm by i_should_be_working · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, and it says:

      I made Jobs (more) rich and all I got was a program and this lousy bumper sticker.

    2. Re:Hmm by s20451 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I hate to point out the obvious, but if you have a trillion dollar idea, why aren't you working on it right now? And if you're just sitting on such an idea because you're lazy, risk averse, or not a good enough programmer, you may as well give it to Steve Jobs. It's doing no good rattling around in your head.

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    3. Re:Hmm by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, I don't understand the reward. Is it some kind of joke? The program is released as shareware, and you get the royalties? Royalties on ... zero revenues? That kinda reminds me of the joke, "If you're gonna work me like a slave, you're gonna pay me like a slave, goddamnit!"

    4. Re:Hmm by CokeBear · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have to agree here. I have lots of great ideas, but no programming skillz.

      Any young Woz types around here? I'll be the Jobs to your Woz. (but without all the yelling, I promise)

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    5. Re:Hmm by Firehed · · Score: 1

      Shareware isn't freeware (anymore), despite what the name implies. In general today, what's labeled as shareware really tends to be trialware or limited-functionality-demoware something to that effect. So there could very well be royalties, and a decent amount at that. I'd certainly pay a reasonable amount for the forum app, Hijack, that's on the ballot (and probably the syncing one too... but it's suffering the slashdot effect at the moment so I can't get more info).

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    6. Re:Hmm by EvanED · · Score: 1

      Shareware isn't freeware (anymore), despite what the name implies.

      Any more? When was it any different?

      That was the state of the term back in the days of 386s and Compuserv...

    7. Re:Hmm by digirus · · Score: 1

      I hate to point out the obvious, but if you have a trillion dollar idea, why aren't you working on it right now?

      Who needs trillion dollar ideas when others are allowing theirs to be posted on public web sites?

      Who want's to start a software company with me? I have a few ideas I just recently started kicking around.

    8. Re:Hmm by Firehed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe the term was being used incorrectly, but I certainly remember a time (about ten years ago I'd guess) when the term freeware was never really used and everything was almost exclusively called shareware. Of course, I was about nine at the time so it could just be forgetfulness on my part.

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    9. Re:Hmm by BoberFett · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you kidding? That's what software patents are for. You can be lazy, frightened, and a terrible programmer and still make millions!

    10. Re:Hmm by mmkkbb · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of shareware apps that providence full functionality without nagging or a time limit. There used to be more.

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    11. Re:Hmm by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I just looked the killer apps. None of them look like trillion or even million dollar ideas to me.
      At best they are cute widgets or small desktop apps.
      I mean weather on your desktop and the ultimate cookbook?
      The comment is funny but this contest looks like it might be a bit of fun. Let's face it ideas are cheap.

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    12. Re:Hmm by OakDragon · · Score: 2, Informative
      ...about ten years ago... the term freeware was never really used and everything was almost exclusively called shareware.

      The terms 'freeware' and 'shareware' of course are (and were) distinct. Our memories do agree, though. Very little was called 'freeware.' Mostly it was shareware along the lines of 'If you use and enjoy this software, please send $10.00 to...' A lot of free trials that locked you out after 30 or 60 days could be 'hacked' by re-setting your system clock to an earlier date, or by changing a config file, sometimes.

      Most freeware and software were worth about as much as you paid for them, unfortunately. I am amazed at the quality of some free software today.

    13. Re:Hmm by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      exchange a trillion dollar software idea for a legal copy of those other trillion dollar apps?

      The ideas I read on the site seem more like 50 cent ideas. And I don't mean the rapper.

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    14. Re:Hmm by darkchubs · · Score: 1

      HAHAHA this is far too real to be funny :) I JUST got off the phone with a software patent troll.. what a nut job. threated to sue me over something he thought up before the technology was even in existance to make it :) So yeah there ya go.

    15. Re:Hmm by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      In the early-mid 90's, almost all "shareware" consisted of the full version of the program, with a short message that said something like "If you like this, please send $10 to..."

      Now "shareware" has been replaced with "trialware" and "demoware," where you either get a crippled version of the program or a time-limited version (often both). No more free rides (or even a chance to try out the full version before you buy).

      -Eric

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    16. Re:Hmm by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      The last and only trillion dollar idea Apple has ever had was the iPod....

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    17. Re:Hmm by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      You know you are old when you have to tell "computer nerds" what "Shareware" is.

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    18. Re:Hmm by c_forq · · Score: 1

      Anymore? I remember getting the shareware version of Doom on a floppy disk back in the pre-Pentium days. You had the first episode and had to pay for the other ones. The disk encouraged copying and sharing with friends (hence the term shareware) but was a demo. Games and Winzip were like that as long as I can remember (winzip having a 30-day expiration), I've never heard the term shareware used for free fully functional software.

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    19. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you're just sitting on such an idea because you're lazy, risk averse, or not a good enough programmer, you may as well give it to Steve Jobs.

      Or you could try the Zissou method. Just set up a simple LLC and hire local college/grad students for an unpaid internship position. They get class credit, you might get a decent program out of it, and if they complain you can welcome them to the real world and give them with an Incomplete.

    20. Re:Hmm by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Where exactly does Jobs come into play? Or are you against the idea because it might sell more Macs, Mr. Balmer?

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    21. Re:Hmm by Sam+Ritchie · · Score: 1
      I personally think the concept is flawed. The whole groupthink 'vote for your dream app' approach rewards flashy, well-pitched ideas that may or may not result in a saleable or useful app.

      I also think it trivialises the rest of the application development process by only focusing on ideas. If you read some of the app descriptions, you get a good picture of how the author started the contest with the kernel of what's probably a decent idea, then embarked headlong on an MSWord-worthy feature bloating exercise with nary a thought of what will sell & what it will cost to build. Real application development involves trade-offs and targeted feature sets, not pie-in-the-sky thought experiments.

      But I could just be bitter because Desktop Wars was voted out - I would have bought that one.

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    22. Re:Hmm by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      That was the state of the term back in the days of 386s and Compuserv...

      You're too young to remember shareware, apparently. It originated in the days of 300 baud modems and 8088-based PCs (even before the XT or the clones.)

    23. Re:Hmm by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      My company recently implemented an 'idea bank' concept. There's a intranet website where you're supposed to submit your ideas. Then a 'board' reviews all the ideas and decides which ones to take to the next stage.

      It is totally antithetical to the concept of creative individuals 'championing' their ideas. You're supposed to just post them to 'the board' and wait to see if any resources are allocated to implement it.

      The Company is playing it up like it's some great way for them to solicit new ideas. It's such a horrible concept to anybody who harbors a creative spirit that I suspect it will never result in anything but third-rate design-by-committee junk projects. People want to carry the football to the goalpost, not hand it off to some middle management cretin to wreck.

    24. Re:Hmm by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 1

      Patent the trillion dollar idea and make them pay half a trillion for it. It's not like they're against patents.

    25. Re:Hmm by dangitman · · Score: 1
      (but without all the yelling, I promise)

      Sorry, without the yelling and the being demeaned, your offer is not attractive enough. I've got a complex personality to maintain, being nice to me would just ruin everything.

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    26. Re:Hmm by Kool+Moe · · Score: 1

      FWIW, yes, what he and others have said. You didn't use to have to pay for Shareware to use a fully-functional version...but hopefully you were honorable enough to pay for it if you used it alot.
      Not surprising that concept isn't true any longer.
      KM

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    27. Re:Hmm by s20451 · · Score: 1

      Who want's to start a software company with me? I have a few ideas I just recently started kicking around.

      Are you being serious? What's your area of expertise? Your web site is not very informative.

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    28. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am sure that those contests will yield the killer apps necessary to save Apple ;-) But then, I do not know whether people, who have the ability to actually write killer aps, wouldn't much rather develop for Linux or Windows.

    29. Re:Hmm by Lars+T. · · Score: 1
      I am sure that those contests will yield the killer apps necessary to save Apple ;-) But then, I do not know whether people, who have the ability to actually write killer aps, wouldn't much rather develop for Linux or Windows.
      For two reasons: One, you can actually make money on the Mac market; Two: programming on the Mac is dead easy.
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  3. My Dream app here by Retardican · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It's not even in beta yet, but the video looks *very* cool.

    http://iscrybe.com/cal/index.html

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    1. Re:My Dream app here by ReidMaynard · · Score: 1

      404 Not Found
      Apache/2.0.46 (Red Hat) Server ?


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    2. Re:My Dream app here by ketamine-bp · · Score: 2, Informative

      your link gives 404 =(

      try
      http://iscrybe.com/

      nice app indeed

  4. Nice thinking by a_nonamiss · · Score: 0, Troll

    Sounds like a great way to get some free ideas for applications. A lot of companies have been doing this lately. Nothing like giving away your intellectual property for free!

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    1. Re:Nice thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because a lot of people can come up with good basic ideas and yet be unable to turn them into a marketable, sellable product.

      This brrings the two together. Someone with a good idea with someone who can turn a profit on that idea.

    2. Re:Nice thinking by admactanium · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Sounds like a great way to get some free ideas for applications. A lot of companies have been doing this lately. Nothing like giving away your intellectual property for free!
      except that you get a share of the revenues from shareware licenses. obviously on slashdot the idea seems completely daft since there's such a high percentage of coders here. but most people can't code an application. so if you can give up your idea (which costs you nothing in the form of labor or materials) and realize a possible profit from someone else's programming labor, then where's the bad deal? it's certainly easier than researching and hiring a programmer when you have no expertise in the field at all while taking a financial risk in the form of payment for that programmer. maybe you should look at it from the perspective of the people for whom the contest was designed. no decent programmer in their right might would submit an application to this process because they could do it themselves.

      if there was a contest where you were asked to give up an idea for, say, a chance to win a year's worth of professional retouching, it would be a great idea for people who would value that service. for me, as a graphic designer and retoucher, it's obviously not worth it to give up IP to gain something i could easily do on my own to a higher standard. but i'd at least recognize that it's a useful prize to some people.
    3. Re:Nice thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The MDA rules are pretty IP friendly. If you win the contest, you get 15% royalties. If you don't win, all intellectual property rights are returned to you.

      see
      http://mydreamapp.com/about/rules/

      "7. Ownership of Submissions. (I) When You send MDA your submission, You are assigning MDA all rights and interests - including all intellectual property rights - in the Submission, and MDA shall be the absolute owner of all rights and interests therein; (II) IF A SUBMISSION IS NOT ACCEPTED BY MDA, YOU RETAIN TITLE TO ALL RIGHTS AND INTERESTS, INCLUDING INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS, IN THE SUBMISSION. IF A SUBMISSION IS ORIGINALLY ACCEPTED BY MDA, BUT LATER REJECTED, ALL RIGHTS AND INTERESTS, INCLUDING INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS, IN THE SUBMISSION WILL BE RELEASED TO YOU; and (III) All MDA products and all intellectual property and other rights are the property of MDA, regardless of whether a Submission has been incorporated into them. You acknowledge and agree that You have no property rights or license to any MDA products, including MDA products that may come into Your possession in the course of performing work for MDA."

  5. 2 Percent Marketshare Leads To App Begging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Welcome to the life of people who own computers with just 2 percent marketshare - you have to beg or bribe people to support your platform.

    Healthy platforms don't need these stunts. At least Apple has the iPod stuff still. For now.

    1. Re:2 Percent Marketshare Leads To App Begging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Healthy platforms don't need these stunts.

      You ever seen those "gay pride" parades? These people are use to doing stupid stuff like this to bring attention to themselves.

    2. Re:2 Percent Marketshare Leads To App Begging by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I'd say its healthier than the Windows world, which has nothing like the really cool apps we get like Delicious Library, the Omni apps, etc. Such cutting-edge apps were the inspiration for this contest.

      But hey, enjoy Win32 and the registry for another half-decade.

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  6. Come to think of it. by darkchubs · · Score: 5, Funny

    Im willing to offer up licensed copies of Linux. IF you can provide me with the next killer app.

    1. Re:Come to think of it. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Funny
      Im willing to offer up licensed copies of Linux. IF you can provide me with the next killer app.
      Haha, you're just making the Linux company rich, you n00b! I just get the 0-day Linux w4r3z off Pirate Bay. They are even patched to get rid of Linux Genuine Advantage, so you'll never get caught!
    2. Re:Come to think of it. by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      does that include the SCO royalty buyoff?

    3. Re:Come to think of it. by ceeam · · Score: 1

      Now I want a "Linux Genuine Advantage" t-shirt. :(

    4. Re:Come to think of it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you'll never get caught!

      As if anyone cares about this third rate OS. Well, anyone who's heterosexual anyway.

  7. How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    A shareware nag-screen remover?

  8. Re:My Dream app here -- spam? by darkchubs · · Score: 1

    haha a PIM is your dream app?! well It beats spamming for slurpies I guess.

  9. ooo another innovation contest by x-vere · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems to me that more and more companies are running dry in the innovation department. I think its a combination of a few things. 1) Companies aren't listening to what consumers want. 2) Their creative talent is aging and young blood is harder to keep. 3) They're skimping on R&D money. Much lack of innovation might clear up by solving one of the three problems. I find it pretty pathetic that a company has to say to its customers, "We got nothin'. If you help us we'll give you royalties." However, at the same time. It would be fun to participate and at least there is a real payoff for the participants who win, so it isn't all bad.

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    1. Re:ooo another innovation contest by kfg · · Score: 1

      4)After decades of running on the killer ap paradigm the gravy train has parked in the terminal.

      Maybe now they can spend some time polishing the shit they've already got until it actually works?

      KFG

    2. Re:ooo another innovation contest by EvanED · · Score: 1

      I think its a combination of a few things. 1) Companies aren't listening to what consumers want.

      Isn't this contest proof to the contrary?

      In fact, a deeper observation: you think that this shows that there's a lack of ideas on the part of companies. Are you trying to say that they *shouldn't* be doing this and just being innovative on their own? But wouldn't not asking their customers be EXACTLY the thing that you say is causing the lack of innavation?

    3. Re:ooo another innovation contest by Sebastian+Jansson · · Score: 1

      You're missing the point of competitions of this kind. They are not a way for companies to get rich by getting lot of ideas to choose from. Ideas aren't really valuable, and surely any large company have enough of ideas amongst the employees.

      The point of this kind of competitions is usually to create awareness. Basically they could spend x million dollars on a TV advertising campaign, or they could spend the same money on a competition like this. And it will spread by word of mouth. I'd bet getting front page on Slashdot is quite valuable.

      If they went on and created whatever product that wins this competition, having come up with the idea on their own, skipping the competition step. Do you think they would have sold as many copies as they will now?

    4. Re:ooo another innovation contest by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      "If you help us we'll give you royalties."

      That way, at least you get royalties. It's not unusual for companies to give employees a one-time bonus when they invent something, and that's it.

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    5. Re:ooo another innovation contest by tknd · · Score: 1

      "Don't think about what the company can do for you, think about what YOU can do for the company."

      -Office Space

    6. Re:ooo another innovation contest by uab21 · · Score: 1
      I find it pretty pathetic that a company has to say to its customers, "We got nothin'. If you help us we'll give you royalties."

      Wait a minute. There are plenty of people who can and do design things that can be described as innovative, but don't sell - they are a beautiful, creative solution to a problem that their customer doesn't have. This 'contest' is just an attempt to find out what it is that their customers want. I'm sure that there will be quite a bit of fine tuning once the contest is over, but you're going to have a much harder time in the market if you have no idea what problems people want solved (and are willing to pay for!).

    7. Re:ooo another innovation contest by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Careful, there. If you polish a turd enough, the Apple logo begins to show, and then even the trashman won't pick it up.

      *rimshot*

      (mod this down to the mud, Jobs-ites)

  10. Woz is out there, man! by patrixmyth · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Here's his review of the virtual plant idea from the article-

    -Steve Wozniak (Apple) - Finals:
    -This would only be remotely entertaining if the plant was marijuana or opium and when you did -certain things like actually work, you killed your crop. Maybe you could make virtual cash and -compete online for the best cash crop. In order to grow the weed and heroin you have to browse -certain web sites that would require you be smoking weed to start with; like the Microsoft.com -Vista developer site.

    I know he's never been the CEO type, but for the inventor of the MAC and a former teacher, I thought this was a bit crass. I wouldn't want to publish an app with someone who thought this was an appropriate public pronouncement. He sounds like a Slashdot troll.

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    1. Re:Woz is out there, man! by monoqlith · · Score: 1

      Are you angry because he's making fun of potheads and junkies or because he's making fun of Vista?

      If it's the latter, then newsflash: Apple engineers dislike Microsoft.

      If it's the former, newsflash: Woz probably knows from experience.

    2. Re:Woz is out there, man! by geoffeg · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's a joke, he was joking. Woz has always been a sarcastic joker.

      BTW, he didn't "invent" the Mac.

    3. Re:Woz is out there, man! by zootread · · Score: 1

      you have to browse -certain web sites that would require you be smoking weed to start with; like the Microsoft.com -Vista developer site.

      As a pot smoker (and a Linux user who doesn't like Windows), I'm offended.

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    4. Re:Woz is out there, man! by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Insightful
      know he's never been the CEO type, but for the inventor of the MAC and a former teacher, I thought this was a bit crass. I wouldn't want to publish an app with someone who thought this was an appropriate public pronouncement.
      Sorry, I don't see the crassness. Someone suggests a good app might be a "virtual plant" and, while other judges patronizingly say "Mac users would love this", he points out that a virtual plant is just plain stupid on its face. Seriously, it's a damn productivity meter that "rewards" you for being a good little worker bee by looking like a healthy plant! THe idea is that it'd encourage the slothful to work harder, but in reality only the already productive will keep the thing around, and the slothful (like me) will delete it after getting tired of looking at a dying plant reminding us that we're lazy. I think Steve was just being blunt and offering amusing ways in which such a concept might actually be appealing.

      A virtual plant? That's about as pointless as a virtual bicycle.

      (Also, it's "Mac" not "MAC", and Woz didn't create it, he created the original Apple/Apple II systems-- singlehandedly)
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    5. Re:Woz is out there, man! by patrixmyth · · Score: 1

      Actually, in iWoz he claims he "invented" the personal computer. You don't even have to read the book, that's in the title, actually. It would probably be more accurate to say he "designed" the Apple series that pre-dated the MAC, but why quibble. (Oh wait, right, this is slashdot.)

      I have a lot of respect for Steve Wozniak. I don't begrudge the guy a joke or two, but when you are writing up a review for publication, heroin-cultivation seems a bit beyond the pale, even if you want to just let the pot issue slide on the assumption he's from a different era. Not my intent to rally the pitch-fork wielding villagers to burn him out of his castle, just pointing out something from the article that made me pause.

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    6. Re:Woz is out there, man! by burnetd · · Score: 1

      If you're offended by that you need to buy better Weed!

    7. Re:Woz is out there, man! by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      I have a lot of respect for Steve Wozniak. I don't begrudge the guy a joke or two, but when you are writing up a review for publication, heroin-cultivation seems a bit beyond the pale, even if you want to just let the pot issue slide on the assumption he's from a different era. Not my intent to rally the pitch-fork wielding villagers to burn him out of his castle, just pointing out something from the article that made me pause.
      Not to hijack the thread into a drug war debate, but I'm not sure why you vilify opium. Nearly all of the problems with heroin are an outgrowth of its prohibition. It's addictive, sure, but unlike meth or crack it doesn't ruin your life. Plenty of life-long heroin addicts currently using methadone and holding down respectable jobs. The trouble comes from 1) OD's due to highly variable purity on the black market, 2) hepatitis/AIDS/etc. due to irrational control over the sale of hypodermic delivery components, 3) crime to support what would otherwise be a cheap habit, were it not for the price gouging inherent to the black market.
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    8. Re:Woz is out there, man! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't go a day without my Laudlum!

    9. Re:Woz is out there, man! by MattHaffner · · Score: 1

      ... that pre-dated the MAC, but why quibble. (Oh wait, right, this is slashdot.)

      Yup. And you loose a ton of points for writing "MAC".

    10. Re:Woz is out there, man! by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      One of the great things about being the Woz is that you don't have to give a shit what anyone thinks of you.

      -Eric

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    11. Re:Woz is out there, man! by Speare · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's kinda sad, actually.

      Two months before I heard of this, I thought it would be cute to make an iBonsai program. Screensaver-simple, as one of these judges said. A bonsai tree with a variable time scale, from 1x to 20x. Lets you snip twigs or pinch buds to control the overall growth direction, replace the pot when it get large enough, watch it grow under different seasons, and that's about it. There are dozens of tree varieties that work well in bonsai, but it's a bit fussier than practical for those of us who don't have a green thumb or the proper humid environment.

      Killer app, NO WAY. $5 shareware cute product, for some people, yes. Less manic than a Tamagotchi, but the same basic idea.

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    12. Re:Woz is out there, man! by 808140 · · Score: 1

      I guess you gain some by writing "loose", too. How about virii? Man, I never get tired of that.

    13. Re:Woz is out there, man! by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Well, the main reason to quibble is because it is complete and utter bullshit. Altair invented and marketed the first personal computer. End of story. Imsai and SWTPC followed close on their heels, there were probably a couple hundred other companies in there within literally just months, and then, way, after the idea was obvious, and after a solid false start, the Apple crew came up with a "me-too" design that was more marketable than the rest (the Apple II) and we saw them make some serious inroads. At that time, others were doing well too, though, and again, Apple wasn't all that notable.

      I was there, and that's the way it went down. Fact. Yeah, I'm old. :)

      Mind you, I'm a huge Apple fan today; but please, this "I invented the PC" crap is just that, crap. Plus, if Apple (or Woz) wants to go for innovation, I think the crown pretty clearly goes to the Amiga crew. Given the environment they produced the machine in, it was by a *huge* margin more innovative, clever, and just pain *different* than anything else out there. It's old news today, but if you look around today, there are no computers that are really different. The Mac is *nix with a really, really, nice GUI, the PC is the same as it has always been, plus years and years of incremental, but not wild, improvements, linix is *nix, etc. The first Amiga (the a1000), now that demonstrated a whole bunch of out-of-the-box thinking in area after area for the day. Screens. Serious multitasking. Video and audio natural to the system. Co-processors. A windowing system that wasn't even fractionally "me-too" and not only, worked extremely well. A CLI that wasn't a clone of every other shell out there. Speech, built-in. Hot loading devices. High color. Sprites. The thing even had a natural keyboard dock. If a machine showed up today that was as different from the Mac and PC now, as the Amiga was in its day, we'd probably all pee right down our legs.

      To this very day my Mac shows me a spinning beachball when I'm doing something as simple as opening a web page or copying files across the network. The Amiga did that MUCH better in 19-frigging-85, 21 bloody YEARS ago!

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    14. Re:Woz is out there, man! by fyngyrz · · Score: 1
      .

      ..and I can't believe I forgot to mention "assigns"; what a great idea for the day.

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    15. Re:Woz is out there, man! by SteveWoz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have never in my life used an illicit substance. I have made up jokes on many occasions and not turn out good.

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    16. Re:Woz is out there, man! by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Woah, a virtual bicycle, groovy man, this is far out ! I want one ! :)

      Or, ah... a 3 button mouse emulator for my iBook so I can use X on my lap without having to plug stuff in it... Maybe "clicking" on different areas of the touchpad ?

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    17. Re:Woz is out there, man! by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Wozniak is NOT the inventor of the Mac. Neither is Jobs, of course.

      Woz wasn't even very involved with the company any longer by the time the Mac team threw together that wunnerful 128K 'visionary' prototype.

    18. Re:Woz is out there, man! by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      That is one of the great things about being whomever you are. It's not a special 'Woz' thing.

    19. Re:Woz is out there, man! by monoqlith · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just my luck. The one time I falsely accuse a towering figure of 20th century technology of using drugs, he's actually reading my comments.

      Sigh.

      Is there nowhere that I can turn where I can safely slander people?

    20. Re:Woz is out there, man! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Mind you, I'm a huge Apple fan today; but please, this "I invented the PC" crap is just that, crap.

      Well, if Woz didn't invent it, who did?

      Think carefully... your answer depends on some tricky details.

    21. Re:Woz is out there, man! by joe_adk · · Score: 1
      reminded me of "The Dead Zone"
      Johnny checks out the apartment, which is dark and filled with computer monitors, all displaying virtual bonsai trees. Berke says he's quit working on Anza, and he's moved on to virtual bonsai gardening.
    22. Re:Woz is out there, man! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A virtual plant? That's about as pointless as a virtual bicycle.

      Or a pet rock.

    23. Re:Woz is out there, man! by Lactoso · · Score: 1
      "Just my luck. The one time I falsely accuse a towering figure of 20th century technology of using drugs, he's actually reading my comments."

      Oh my, this was hilarious! It took me a minute to actually convince myself that it really was the Woz. Well, look at it this way, yours was one of only three posts on /. that the Woz found necessary to reply to. So that's got to find a place in your resume somewhere.

      "Is there nowhere that I can turn where I can safely slander people?"

      digg...

    24. Re:Woz is out there, man! by monoqlith · · Score: 1

      Smoking weed doesn't require you to go there (the Vista developer web site).
      But going there requires you to be smoking weed.

  11. Killer app? by Aladrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe if they have a contest for a 'killer app', one of the choices should actually BE a 'killer app'.

    The only ones that come close to useful is file sync and the music maker. And they're far from 'killer app' status. Nobody is going to convert from PC to Mac because it has some sync software or music, especially when other software already exists for that platform and others.

    The others are all in the 'ooh eyecandy' category.

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    1. Re:Killer app? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad Hans Reiser was put away. He would surely have made a true killer app. Not much of an eye candy though.

    2. Re:Killer app? by carpe_noctem · · Score: 1

      Here, here! The guy that made the whistler app also frequents one of the same forums as I, and he went around there trying to drum up support for his idea a few weeks ago. I ended up voting for the flower-desktop thinger instead, but even then, I felt that none of these ideas were certainly worthy of the press and attention that the site has gathered thus far.

      And honestly, how many more glorified recipe book apps does the world need?

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    3. Re:Killer app? by Woy · · Score: 1

      So the wisdom of the unwashed masses that had these AWESOME ideas for apps that would totally change the world... distilled into nothingness! And they are surprised...

      Ah, to be young again!

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    4. Re:Killer app? by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      LOL Too true. I had a ton of game ideas when I was younger, but none complete enough to make anything of. It sure was fun dreaming them up, though. I still try now and then, but I know the taste of failure beforehand now, and it's not as much fun.

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    5. Re:Killer app? by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      Of those, I think the cookbook program is the best app for the Apple's target market - people that want a home computer that has everything they need at home, to do things in their free time, but also to do things around the house.

      The Windows cookbook program I use (Living Cookbook) is ok, but it has some problems that would make me jump ship if there was a good alternative:
      1. It abstracts what I enter in a recipe to an item database (which is good for calculating nutrition from ingredients), but then puts the abstracted data on grocery lists (so the recipe says a specific type of tomato, I linked to a generic tomato for nutrition information, and then only get the generic one on the grocery list).
      2. It uses IE for rendering recipes. If you click an embedded link for an external web page, it launches in IE, rather than launching in my designated web browser. Users have complained about this one, and they won't fix it. Using IE like this also means it won't work on Linux; I installed IE and Living Cookbook using CrossOver Office, and IE worked fine on its own, but wouldn't render recipes inside the other application.

      Give me an easy-to-use, intuitive program for Mac that avoids these problems, and I'll have another reason to jump ship.

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    6. Re:Killer app? by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 2, Funny

      ``Maybe if they have a contest for a 'killer app', one of the choices should actually BE a 'killer app'.''

      You mean like porting Reiser4 to Mac OS X? ;-)

      That might actually get it adpoted quicker than trying to get it into Linux. :-(

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    7. Re:Killer app? by c0d3h4x0r · · Score: 1

      I hear someone tried to port Reiser4 to Mac OS X, but it was like murder on their hard drive.

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  12. Pay attention before you troll. by Senes · · Score: 2

    "will see their app idea realized as a Mac shareware application and earn royalties on sales."

    I didn't even have to RTFA to spot that.

    They're getting more than a free T-Shirt, they're getting published. This is basically just making executive decisions through publicized contests instead of closed-door boardroom sessions.

    1. Re:Pay attention before you troll. by cunina · · Score: 1

      ... except that the executives set the terms of the licensing before you even present your idea, with no possibility for negotiation.

      Fuck that.

  13. If the royalties are right... by TWX · · Score: 1

    ...then this might be a pretty good idea. For every NicoMac Computing (creators of WinZip) there are a dozen Cott Langs (Renegade BBS), Front Doors, and other shareware creators that never saw real money despite the widespread use of their shareware. Yes, Apple is making money on these people, but these people are making money from an opportunity that they very well might not otherwise have.

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    1. Re:If the royalties are right... by mios · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How exactly is Apple making money on this?

      Except for the fact that these applications are Mac applications, and are therefore run on Apple hardware, as far as I know Apple has absolutely nothing to do with this.

  14. Terminal app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about a terminal app that doesn't suck? Yes, I've tried iTerm.

  15. OMG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We kill the data base. :)

  16. AV for iPod by rHBa · · Score: 1

    It would automatically detect the iPod and delete any infected files... ...hmm, I don't think I've thought this one through.

    1. Re:AV for iPod by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      You mean like any boy band or Brittney Spears songs??

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    2. Re:AV for iPod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It certainly would become a problem if you've purchased any of your music from iTunes.

  17. Remove post by darkchubs · · Score: 1

    its Indian spam. , shamelss self promotion and link drop. they loged twice and the sig of the other commenter is a MSN targeted blogspot spam network... http://hematology-immunology.blogspot/ .com/

    1. Re:Remove post by LindseyJ · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Better than the GP's sig. I guess he is expecting to get a real vote on that subject on a site called retardicans.com.

      Then again, I've never met a partisan blogger who was really interested in the truth.

    2. Re:Remove post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i guess that is more like stupidity than intentional spamming, also look at the uid of the replier... he/she's earlier than you!

  18. Re:Hmmmm by darkchubs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "I hate to point out the obvious, but if you have a trillion dollar idea, why aren't you working on it right now? And if you're just sitting on such an idea because you're lazy, risk averse, or not a good enough programmer, you may as well give it to Steve Jobs. It's doing no good rattling around in your head." thats what bungee cord is for. That line of thought is beside the point :) don't you think they should have ... you know real incentives rather than some cheasy licenses. maybe .. you know I hear people like money?

  19. already taken care of by krell · · Score: 4, Funny

    No doubt Apple's new cell phone offering will include vibrate mode.

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  20. My Dream App for the Mac... by BeeBeard · · Score: 1

    ...automatically spits out a post to my vaingloriously entitled blog every time I do something Windows-related on my Apple computer. Oh snap! Oh no he dih-int! ;-)

  21. Almost edible by krell · · Score: 5, Funny

    "its Indian spam"

    The curry-sauce makes it a lot easier to choke down.

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  22. A Finder with a "Refresh" button. by Illserve · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Finder needs some work; specifically, the inability to refresh and find a file that I *KNOW* makes me want to chuck it out a window.

    There are other problems too, it seems to hang sometimes, and it's very difficult to figure out the key combo that lets me empty the trash of files that are orphan-locked.

    Also, the finder can get into a state where the highlighted shortcut in the left panel doesn't correspond to the directory being displayed in the right panel. This should never happen.

    But gimme a goddamned refresh button before you do anything else.

    1. Re:A Finder with a "Refresh" button. by krell · · Score: 1

      OT: question about Finder. I don't use it, but am curious if you can "pause" searches. In Windows, anyway, the searches can take hours and dog down the system to terrible slowness. If you want to do something else at decent speed, you have to kill the search (often with task manager) and start it over. No pause.

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    2. Re:A Finder with a "Refresh" button. by NMerriam · · Score: 2, Informative
      OT: question about Finder. I don't use it, but am curious if you can "pause" searches. In Windows, anyway, the searches can take hours and dog down the system to terrible slowness. If you want to do something else at decent speed, you have to kill the search (often with task manager) and start it over. No pause.


      There are command-line controls for Spotlight indexing, if that's what you're talking about. But once the initial index is done (and that usually doesn't slow down a system noticeably), you'll never need to pause a search, they're basically instant (really several seconds) for all results. The index is updated on file operations, so there's no noticeable performance decrease other than the extra milliseconds it takes to write the spotlight index when it updates a file. It's a completely different (and better) beast than Windows indexing service or search, which can take many minutes for results to be complete.
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    3. Re:A Finder with a "Refresh" button. by Bender0x7D1 · · Score: 1

      Finder doesn't need a pause button. The system builds an index of your files and then reads from that index.

      When you start your computer for the first time, it takes a bit of time to build the index. After that it updates it on the fly, but there is essentially no CPU overhead - think about how long it takes to "Save as" a file and how long it takes to read that filename and add it to an index. The longest search I've done took about 5 seconds to complete and included the file I was looking for and the email where someone sent me the file.

      As I alluded to earlier, it doesn't just index files. It indexes emails, calendar entries and other things. It is so much better than Windows search that there is, literally, no comparison. Sort of like Googling for a webpage instead of crawling the web yourself.

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    4. Re:A Finder with a "Refresh" button. by krell · · Score: 1

      "It indexes emails, calendar entries and other things. It is so much better than Windows search that there is, literally, no comparison"

      It sure sounds like it. The search with Windows 95 (yes, that old) wasn't so bad, but they made it much harder to use for the XP versions. Not only that, it crashes a lot. I've seen it do this on a wide variety of machines. It's pretty slow to start, too: like someone programmed a 20-second pause just so you can be impressed with how that damn orange puppy flaps its ears.

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    5. Re:A Finder with a "Refresh" button. by Phroggy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Finder needs some work; specifically, the inability to refresh and find a file that I *KNOW* makes me want to chuck it out a window.

      If a Finder window needs to be refreshed, it's a bug. Actually, come to think of it, that might not be true when working on a network file server, but for local files, the Finder should always be displaying current information. When working on a file server, things can change on the server that the client isn't aware of, so yeah, some sort of refresh option would be good. Can't be Cmd-R, since that's already taken ("Show Original" for aliases). I usually use Cmd-Opt-Up, Cmd-Opt-Down.

      There are other problems too, it seems to hang sometimes, and it's very difficult to figure out the key combo that lets me empty the trash of files that are orphan-locked.

      Not being able to empty the trash sounds like another bug. Can you reproduce it? If so, file a bug report with Apple, with a list of steps needed to reproduce the problem.

      Also, the finder can get into a state where the highlighted shortcut in the left panel doesn't correspond to the directory being displayed in the right panel. This should never happen.

      I haven't run into this problem.

      I do have problems with a mounted network volume not unmounting correctly, and sometimes the icon stays in the left panel when it should disappear, or disappears when I try to unmount but the volume is really still mounted. It sounds like all these problems will get fixed in 10.5.

      But gimme a goddamned refresh button before you do anything else.

      A refresh button for network volumes would be good. But if you're having a problem with local files not showing up correctly, adding a refresh button isn't the right solution.

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    6. Re:A Finder with a "Refresh" button. by u2mr2os2 · · Score: 1

      Try my Refresh Folder Applescript here: http://home.comcast.net/~ryangray/applescript/ put it on your finder toolbar. Unfortunately, I think my Command Window Here script is not working lately. I may have to work in it.

    7. Re:A Finder with a "Refresh" button. by booch · · Score: 2, Informative

      To put it in UNIX terms, Mac's Spotlight is like the 'locate' command, whereas Windows Search is like the 'find' command.

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    8. Re:A Finder with a "Refresh" button. by frankie · · Score: 1

      No, I'm pretty sure the GP poster was referring to actual end-user searches, as in you start typing a word in that corner textbox in a Finder window. You get as far as "mac" or "th" when the SBOD hits; further input is impossible for the next 10-90 seconds. It's somewhat less horrible in Tiger, but that's partly because I think very carefully about my search terms before even starting, then type the characters REALLY fast.

    9. Re:A Finder with a "Refresh" button. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      There are other problems too, it seems to hang sometimes, and it's very difficult to figure out the key combo that lets me empty the trash of files that are orphan-locked.

      WTF does "orphan-locked" mean? Google finds nothing, and it sounds like a Windows concept. Are you aware that on OS X (like any Unix system), you can unlink files and directories while they're still in use? Convince me this problem even exists...

  23. but it'll be on youtube by krell · · Score: 1

    "The revolution will NOT be televised."

    If it is on youtube, does that count as being televised?

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  24. That sometimes happens by krell · · Score: 0

    "...and other shareware creators that never saw real money despite the widespread use of their shareware"

    You know, some times if you do nothing but give stuff away, you never know, your cash flow might $0 incoming!

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  25. Free ideas is great, get free slave labor, too. by Almahtar · · Score: 1

    Ask a local university to develop a product for you as a team senior design project. You can reserve the rights to the final product and everything. I know: 4 other seniors and I are developing a product for a nearby company absolutely free, and it ticks us right off.

    1. Re:Free ideas is great, get free slave labor, too. by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Why did you choose that project then? For my final year project, my group worked on an app for a company, but we were also allowed to come up with our own ideas and implement them "for the general market". Many people did this. If your university doesn't allow this, then it's probably a good idea to talk to them about why they don't allow students to come up with and implement their own ideas as a final project.

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    2. Re:Free ideas is great, get free slave labor, too. by EvanED · · Score: 1

      Where do you go to school?

      I know as an undergrad I owned rights to the stuff I did. Even as a grad student in my current RA position, I have pretty tight ties to a private company, and I still own copyrights to my work. Said company has a license to use parts that relate to the research, but I have a license to their code to use in my research as well. The university even provided a neutral representative to negotiate with the company on behalf of our interests.

      There has to be something you can do. Write a letter to the school paper complaining or something. Look through your school's policies too.

  26. "Killer app" eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if a mac mini-run battlebot would count?

  27. Re:The assimilation of Apple users is near complet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...use all the killer apps Windows users have..."

    Anti-virus and Disk Doctor?

  28. A couple of points by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    1: This is basically a market research exercise.

    2: Ideas aren't worth shit unless you actually do something with them.

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  29. Dead Babies. by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
    I think it's cool that big companies are trying to ape the Open Source model, (to a limited degree), as it speaks volumes about the power of the sharing approach.

    Not that making good software is really the intent here. It seems to me that at least half the push in Apple's case is a public relations scheme to form that feeling of community and sharing and hugs which their ad department has determined is the most effective approach to long term profits. This month, anyway. If it were believed that long term profits could be achieved by drinking the blood of dead babies, you can bet somebody would push to implement that idea as well.

    On the other hand, if you are part of the Open Source community and genuinely want to help cool ideas take flight, then you are on the right track and should be supported. Luckily, that's how things seem to be evolving already. For those who seek, anyway.


    -FL

    1. Re:Dead Babies. by abigor · · Score: 1

      These applications under consideration have to be the lamest collection I've ever seen. A productivity-measuring plant? A recipe and shopping list planner? Yeah, keep the "dream" alive.

    2. Re:Dead Babies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A recipe and shopping list planner?

      That was my mid-term project in pascal back in the day... things are really advancing.

  30. Project DreamApp by CmdrPorno · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can see the voiceover now:

    This is the search for the next killer app...

    16 contestants. The best of them will get to show a collection of apps at MacWorld Expo, and the winner will receive $100,000 to start their own line of software and a new VW Rabbit with iPod connectivity.


    Steve Jobs, Guy Kawasaki, and Steve Wozniak will judge the contestants' performance each week in a series of challenges. Each week, there will be one winner and one loser (who gets to go home), because in the world of software design, you're either in, or you're out.

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    1. Re:Project DreamApp by darkchubs · · Score: 1

      "$100,000 to start their own line of software" unless your making a space invaders clone, you'll be bankrupt in 3 months?

  31. Shareware vs Freeware by sYn+pHrEAk · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think you're confusing shareware with freeware.

    Shareware means there is a demo version that you're encouraged to share, but there is also a full version that you have to pay for.

    Freeware is just that: free (as in beer).

    1. Re:Shareware vs Freeware by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 1

      I understand, but the way it's written, it doesn't imply that. It doesn't phrase it, for example, as, "the idea will be realized as an app with a free demo version". It says the idea itself will be realized as a shareware application. That is, the realization will be in shareware. It will not, this implies, be realized in the "payware" version.

      See my (naive) confusion?

    2. Re:Shareware vs Freeware by prichardson · · Score: 1

      Shareware is an app with a free demo version.

      A lot of the really cool mac apps out there are shareware, and it's something fairly unique to that market, so someone new to macs or recently a mac user might not know the term. Windows does have a few (Nero?), but the vocabulary is less universal.

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    3. Re:Shareware vs Freeware by Gilmoure · · Score: 2

      Um...I've paid for shareware. If I really like something and it saves my ass or I end up using it at least once a week, it's worth paying for. I also donate to web comics I like. Just my way of trying to nudge the universe in ways that are beneficial to myself.

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    4. Re:Shareware vs Freeware by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      No. Shareware means that the full version is distributed, and the program's author trusts that you will send in some money if you liked it.

      The newer generation of 'crippleware' is not shareware. It's demo shovelware.

      The Shareware concept is almost as old as the IBM PC. Jim Button originated it. Back then almost anything you could run on your PC was pretty expensive.

    5. Re:Shareware vs Freeware by Anarchitect_in_oz · · Score: 1

      When is beer every free?
      I'd really like to be at that place.

      Even if my friend buys me a beer (which is about the freeest beer i can think of), then there is the expection i'll buy the next one.
      Sure good friends don't keep track but still it all evens out in the end.

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  32. Whistler by LazyPhoenix · · Score: 1

    I voted for Whistler.

    Of all the finalists, this one seems to be the most innovative -- if it lives up to its promise, it would be phenomenal as a songwriting tool. Hum a melody and beatbox your drums and voila! an instant demo of your musical idea.

    Not that a virtual plant or the weather on your desktop isn't cool, too. I mean who has time to put a real plant near their desk, or to get up from their chair to see what the weather is outside?

  33. Re:A (Path) Finder with a "Refresh" button. by voidstin · · Score: 2, Informative

    You mean like this?

  34. Getting slashdotted by Digital+Pizza · · Score: 1

    Currently only a couple of entries' descriptions even come up; the others get MySQL "too many connections" errors. Guess which ones are going to get the most votes?

    If you put up a voting site and want it to be fair, make sure your services can handle the load!

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  35. ipod by minus_273 · · Score: 1

    man i love my ipod, now if they only made a mac version of itunes, i'd switch to mac. Its really the only thing keeping me. the hardware support on mac is almost as bad as linux.

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    1. Re:ipod by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry. I just don't get it. I hope that's a joke, because iTunes started out on the Mac. And you can run the Windows version of iTunes via WINE or Crossover on Linux, can't you? Also, Mac support is fine for external peripherals (unless they need legacy ports or something), and most Macs don't have internal upgrade spots anyways.

    2. Re:ipod by minus_273 · · Score: 1

      sigh, what can i say.

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    3. Re:ipod by salzbrot · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, man. And I am stuck on linux because I really need to run Word and there is no WINE for windows yet. Dang it!

  36. ramming sppeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wow those are some really killer app ideas they have there. I guess they all ride the short bus to work

  37. Why? by krell · · Score: 1

    Why did the topic mention slave labour, but the body of the message never even touched on it?

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  38. well... by Nasarius · · Score: 1

    I'm seriously considering a Mac as my next computer, partially because of GarageBand. There's nothing for Windows that comes close for the same price. It's hardly the only reason I'm interested, but it's certainly one of them. Every little thing pushes me closer to that tipping point where I would finally decide to go for a Mac.

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    1. Re:well... by kisrael · · Score: 1

      Get a cheap older ibook on Ebay.
      3G was great, ran very much cooler than the stuff that came later.

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    2. Re:well... by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      Do you mean the G3? You'd have to be sure that they're enough for your needs, they're too underpowered by today's standards. I, for one, welcome out new Core Duo overlords!

    3. Re:well... by kisrael · · Score: 1

      It runs garageband, right?

      And throws out a lot less heat... my G3 seemed fine for web use and some coding.

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    4. Re:well... by Stormwatch · · Score: 1
      It runs garageband, right?
      Well, actually... no, supposedly it doesn't.
      GarageBand 3 System Requirements
      * Macintosh computer with a PowerPC G4, G5, or Intel Core processor; 733 MHz or faster processor required for iDVD
      * 256 MB of physical RAM; 512 MB recommended
      * Mac OS X v0.3.9 or Mac OS X 10.4.3 or later; Mac OS X 10.4.4 recommended
      * iTunes 6.0.2 or later and QuickTime 7.0.4 or later
      * DVD drive for installation
      * 8 GB of available disk space required to install iPhoto, iMovie HD, iDVD, GarageBand, and iWeb
    5. Re:well... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Why are you required to install iPhoto, iMovie HD, and iDVD? 'GarageBand' is starting to sound like some horrible kludge that encourages 'Music Videos' and other abominations.

  39. Re:The assimilation of Apple users is near complet by Rational · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nah, that's pretty weak. Read John Dvorak's columns to learn to troll Mac users successfully.

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  40. My take on the choices... by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Atmosphere
    Put the weather on your desktop.A virtual window to the outdoors for your desktop. View a virtual representation of your area's weather when too busy to go outside.

    Too bust to go outside? WTF? Look out the window you lazy sow! NOT a killer app - more of a stupid idea, along the lines of Segway

    Blossom
    A virtual plant that responds to productivity, not sunlight and water. Had a good session in Excel? Your plant will thrive. Play too much Warcraft? Expect some withering.

    Suck great steaming tourdes out of the boss's ass? Instant rainforest. Write 3000 lines of code? A garden of flowers? But what if all the code is crap? Does Blossom do QA? A REALLY bad idea, and impossible to properly implement. Blossom is fascism with a happy face - "here come the suede denim secret police! ... California! Uber Alles!"

    Whistler
    Music creation has never been this easy or fun. Ever had the urge to create a song until you realized it was harder than it was worth? With Whistler, just whistle, hum, or tap out your creation into music app importable form.

    Now THIS is a cool thing - a REAL application that empowers people to do something they never could before. Albeit, if you're a tone deaf couch potato with no sense of rhythm, you will have a somewhat tougher time. But basically, this idea has actual use value compared to the previous ideas.

    Cookbook
    The ultimate cookbook application, with online grocery shopping, thousands of recipes, Leopard voiceover technology integration, shopping list sharing, and more.

    This is a sort-of-cool idea. I don't think it has quite the scope and brilliant of Whistler, but this is something I could actually almost use... IF I were stupid enough to put a computer in the kitchen... DOH!

    Portal
    File syncing from the future. Sync folders and documents between Macs effortlessly and watch transfer progress through a cool, highly visual wormhole user interface.

    If I needed to sync a bunch of macs together, I guess this would be useful. However, most Mac owners I know have ONE (perhaps 2) macs. Heck - I have two. But I also have three or four PCs floating around chez Spoilsport. If it could co-ordinate them too, then I'd be impressed... as it is, this comes under "A Really Good Idea" but not "Killer App".

    so, I would rank them as follows:

    1. Whistler - good stuff! A - A-
    2. Portal - not bad - useful! B+
    3. Cookbook - Pretty good, as soon as I get the olive oil cleaned out of my powerbook. B-
    4. Atmosphere - stupid idea with marginal use for quadraplegics who wonder what they're missing. C
    5. Blossom - an actively Bad Idea. F

    RS

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    1. Re:My take on the choices... by jfengel · · Score: 1

      I have a hard time thinking of Whistler as a killer app, since it would be better tightly integrated to Garage Band. For me Garage Band is the killer app; it takes something I'd like to do (make music) but don't really have the technical skills for.

    2. Re:My take on the choices... by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

      Atmosphere:
      Agreed. It's quite silly. Although what _would_ be cool is a service that lets you "subscribe" your desktop to a website where nice wallpapers are downloaded automatically and rotated through for you (changing ever so gradually, or while the screensaver is up). You could subscribe to different channels relevant to your interests. (Puppies, Women of the UN Security Council, Starscapes, Unobtrusive floral patterns, etc.) One of them could be: TA DA -- TORNADOS OF THE MIDWEST. Almost the same thing... you get the idea.

      Blossom: No. Just, no.

      Whistler: Interesting. But I challenge the idea that this is a stand alone app. It's more appropriate for a plugin to Cakewalk, Rosegarden, or GarageBand. In that instead of laying down a track via MIDI keyboard and/or dub, you use the "Whistler" inport which brings up the special software to interpret your dulcet eminations into one or more melody tracks and optionally a percussion track.
      Then, you can use the tool itself to do retakes, cut and paste, move stuff around, and you don't have to fuss with file formats.
      Whistler would be re-inventing the wheel on all those professional music making interfaces for doing multiple takes, queuing up, monitoring, etc. especially when you're going to flip into them anyway to slurp in the material.

      Cookbook: Out of all of these, this one has potential. BUT, it needs the following features:
      * A standardized recipe format in XML with Schema so everyone can exchange recipes, freely.
      * Standardized ingredient encondings with substitutions and attributions (for diabetics, kosher preperation, increasing/decreasing spiciness, etc.). In this fashion, you could, say, do a search for all Hallal recipes in your index, or have it present a vegetarian alternative to a dish (substituting quantity WXY of XYZ for 3 eggs, let's say).
      * Tutorials for various cooking techniques (how to seperate an egg, for example).
      * Step by step playback mode for walking through a recipe, with timers you can set and monitor (for stuff like baking time). And if you're supposed to do something else while it's baking, it would guide you along through that too (and interrupt you when it thought baking was down).

      Portal: Ho hum. A GUI on top of rsync. Forget it, not worth it.

      What would be cool is a publish/subscribe-model global file system using BitTorrent to syncronize "volumes". A GUI would provide the interface to add volumes to the subscribe list, authorize users to make changes, etc, show sync percentages. And the volumes themselves would present as normal mounted volumes that you simply read and write to.

      But no flash portals and shit. What the hell does that do for anybody?

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    3. Re:My take on the choices... by captainClassLoader · · Score: 1
      Mr. Spoilsport says:
      Blossom
      A virtual plant that responds to productivity, not sunlight and water. Had a good session in Excel? Your plant will thrive. Play too much Warcraft? Expect some withering.


      Read, post or moderate on Slashdot? Expect a gallon of virtual Roundup to be dumped on your soon-to-be deceased little vegetable.

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    4. Re:My take on the choices... by superflippy · · Score: 2, Informative

      You left off the one app of the bunch that I thought was really useful: Hijack.
      Hijack is a full-featured Message Board app. Most people visit myriad message boards spread all over the internet. This will be the a forum user's answer to RSS.

      I am one of those people who regularly participate in several different message boards. It would be awesome to have a better way to keep up with them all, especially for forums that move very fast (I make a post at 5 PM and by 9 AM the next day it's on the 4th page) or slow (it takes a week for someone to respond to my post). I also like the idea of being able to archive threads.

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    5. Re:My take on the choices... by Khomar · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Cookbook
      The ultimate cookbook application, with online grocery shopping, thousands of recipes, Leopard voiceover technology integration, shopping list sharing, and more.

      This is a sort-of-cool idea. I don't think it has quite the scope and brilliant of Whistler, but this is something I could actually almost use... IF I were stupid enough to put a computer in the kitchen... DOH!

      That was my first thought as well until I saw the following in the writeup:

      Then, to cook with the ingredients, Cookbook's assisted full-screen mode will allow you to follow recipes on your MacBook from across the kitchen. Use the Apple Remote to navigate through recipes, or if your hands are too dirty, voice recognition will take its place so you'll never have to touch a key.

      If done right (and all of the screenshots look good), this could very well be the recipe software that a lot of us have been looking for. Of all of the apps, this one really makes the most sense since it is so well designed and feasible.

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    6. Re:My take on the choices... by Fahrenheit+450 · · Score: 1

      Standardized ingredient encondings with substitutions and attributions (for diabetics, kosher preperation, increasing/decreasing spiciness, etc.). In this fashion, you could, say, do a search for all Hallal recipes in your index, or have it present a vegetarian alternative to a dish (substituting quantity WXY of XYZ for 3 eggs, let's say).

      The big problem with this is that cooking is often chemistry, and like does not always equal like; ingredients are often very context sensitive. E.g. In some dishes, you could substitute, say tempeh, for (scrambled) eggs, but try that with a cake recipe and you get ... well, frankly, I don't want to know what you get. The eggs do completely different things. The same for various fats swapped out for applesauce in some baked goods. Just try doing that with a buttercream frosting (or less extreme, a pie crust).

      Even worse is when you look at things like gluten-free recipes. The different types of flours that are used in place of wheat flour are often combined in different ratios, depending on what kind of properties you are looking for in the final product. You can't say "Oooh! here's a waffle recipe... 'Computer, do some substitutions and make it gluten free.'" and expect to get good waffles. And if you do get good waffles, try it with brownies, or bread and see how bad the results are.

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    7. Re:My take on the choices... by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      Leopard voiceover technology
      Well leopards may be able to scrape a living doing voiceovers, but for proper acting you need to get a lion.
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  41. J. Allard? by Rational · · Score: 1

    Surely his dream Mac app would be something that nukes the hard drive...

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    1. Re:J. Allard? by phillryu · · Score: 1

      Allard actually responded to his invitation writing from his Powermac G5, so no, I wouldn't say so. ;)

    2. Re:J. Allard? by Rational · · Score: 1

      Well, consider my gob officially smacked.

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  42. No chicks allowed. by erik+umenhofer · · Score: 1

    I love how it's all guys, except for one girl on the main list.

    and that one girls's idea?

    Virtual Closet. Grats.

    1. Re:No chicks allowed. by rpbailey1642 · · Score: 1

      I haven't looked at her entry, but I could see this as a good program. I have a fairly large wardrobe, with tons of accessories (ties, suit jackets, black or brown shoes, etc etc) and it'd be nice to have something to automatically pick out an outfit for the day that doesn't look like it was picked out by my pet dog or the Magic 8 ball. Couple that with it knowing how much longer I can delay the inevitable laundry day.
      I can't say that I'd pay for the app, but were it available, I'd probably use it.

    2. Re:No chicks allowed. by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      "it'd be nice to have something to automatically pick out an outfit for the day that doesn't look like it was picked out by my pet dog or the Magic 8 ball"

      They have that already - it's called "Girlfriend" or "Wife"

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    3. Re:No chicks allowed. by porcupine8 · · Score: 1
      Actually, the virtual closet was pretty cool. I liked it better than Atmosphere, that's for sure.

      There's definitely a bias as far as audience goes... I submitted an idea based on an organizational system used by over 300,000 people - and that's just the # subscribed to the yahoo group for it. But 275,000 of those are white, Christian, conservative, stay-at-home moms. Okay, so maybe 100,000 of the moms work. And of the other 25,000, they're still 95% women and 60-70% moms. So of course no one looking at the MDA site would have ever heard of this organizational system.

      Of course, another issue is that those moms mostly probably use Windows... But that can be said about the total possible audience for CookBook, too.

      (Btw, this is totally not an "I'm bitter my idea wasn't chosen" post - like .1% of the ideas posted were chosen, I know my odds were next to nothing and I didn't put any time into mockups or anything. But a contest like this *is* going to represent some sections of the whole Mac userbase more than others.)

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  43. Royalties... by Cereal+Box · · Score: 1
    The winners, who will have emerged from an initial pool of more than 2,700 entrants, will see their app idea realized as a Mac shareware application and earn royalties on sales.


    Which is to say, they'll get royalties on one copy sold, and several million pirated.
  44. Meta information! Tagging filesystem by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    Most of the boring stuff we do these days is categorising or filing information. We're basically spending much of our time providing information about information, that's where the next killer application is going to be.

    Automatically transforming information from one form to another and categorising it with some sort of tagging file system. It would be handy to have various types of fuzzy classifiers to automate it all.

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    1. Re:Meta information! Tagging filesystem by darkchubs · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a job for Google

    2. Re:Meta information! Tagging filesystem by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      How much have you used Spotlight? Have you tried Spotlight Comments? What are you looking for, that would be different than what Spotlight currently does?

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    3. Re:Meta information! Tagging filesystem by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

      Spotlight is fine for desktop use and yeah, it's going in the right direction but it doesn't really provide a structure to hold information, you still have to provide a heirarchical structure to put the files into. It's also not a fundamental part of the filesystem which means that support for that way of organising information isn't built into all of the apps.

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  45. Really? by krell · · Score: 1

    Thanks for setting the record straight. I had thought he invented the Internet too.

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    1. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No silly, that was Al Gore.

  46. Royalties. Ah, royalties... by rueger · · Score: 1

    The winners, who will have emerged from an initial pool of more than 2,700 entrants, will see their app idea realized as a Mac shareware application and earn royalties on sales. "

    Why do I suspect that Apple will calculate those royalties using the same generous provisions favored by the music industry giants that are their partners in iTunes?

    Why, the lucky contest winner could wind up owing Apple only a few tens of thousands of dollars!

    1. Re:Royalties. Ah, royalties... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's all find and dandy, until you realize Apple has nothing to do with this competition!

    2. Re:Royalties. Ah, royalties... by godawful · · Score: 1

      i suspect it is do to you suspecting this has anything to do with apple. which it doesn't.

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    3. Re:Royalties. Ah, royalties... by Monsuco · · Score: 1

      Maybe, if your really lucky, you get enough royalties to afford a Mac.

  47. Amen to that by BeeBeard · · Score: 1

    Funny you should say that. Between the plant and the weather application, I was pretty nonplussed. They had that whole "It's been done" vibe. In fact, a very clever associate of mine already has a webcam aimed at the heavens, and has his PC set to display the image as his desktop background. There goes most of that program's functionality right there.

    I voted for whistler, too, but the topmost poster on that whistler thread was right: so far there's a lot of hype and promise in the mockups, but no actual software just yet. I guess we'll see.

  48. Finally.. i can sink apple.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want to see..

    Duke Nukem Forever!

    hahaha.. write that jobs!

  49. Re:I want more Lesbian Strapon porno. Details here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Your links did not work. Can you post them again?

  50. Re:A (Path) Finder with a "Refresh" button. by generic-man · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Dear God, not like that. I have a 1024x768 display and I don't want to devote all of it to a file browser. The last time I used an environment like that it was called DOSSHELL.EXE.

    I just want to hit CMD+R and see a Finder window refresh. Windows has supported a "refresh" shortcut in Windows Explorer (F5) for many years. I don't expect to install a gigantic piece of $35 shareware to get such a simple feature, but that seems to be the norm on Mac OS X these days.

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  51. How about MythTV... by psicat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The total MythTV suite (back+front) or a FrontRow with PVR features. Windows MCE is just kicking Mac ass on this one. I wish Apple would hurry up... and please don't talk to me about EyeTV.

  52. It'd be neat to see this for linux.. by magnwa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I seriously wish someone would do something like this for linux.. or offer some "idea bank."

    I know plenty of programmers who are looking for decent ideas who just , through the harshness of their day jobs, don't have much time or desire to go home and repeat the process of spec design /etc.

    1. Re:It'd be neat to see this for linux.. by darkchubs · · Score: 1

      yeah we can pay royalties and give away copies of Gaim and firefox...

    2. Re:It'd be neat to see this for linux.. by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      ``I know plenty of programmers who are looking for decent ideas who just , through the harshness of their day jobs, don't have much time or desire to go home and repeat the process of spec design /etc.''

      And I know plenty of people who come up with really brilliant ideas for what these programmers could do, like implementing a driver for some piece of hardware, writing some really great game for GNU/Linux, or getting some Windows app to run under Wine.

      Seriously, the problem _can't_ be that there's a lack of good ideas about what people could work on. It could be that the would-be developers lack interest in the particular work (open source stands or falls with motivation), aren't getting paid for the work (and thus have to do other things to make a living), or the work is outside their expertise (I can code, but not draw).

      Having said that, it's nothing short of amazing how far open source software has come, new amazing things are constantly being worked on, and, with adoption rates on the rise, more amazing things will come.

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    3. Re:It'd be neat to see this for linux.. by magnwa · · Score: 1

      It IS amazing what open source developers work on. No doubt about it. But why is it that people are talking so big about the "Mac look and feel?" Why do linux cookbook programs all tend to resemble a spreadsheet? Why do weather programs for linux give us "Just the Facts" and don't focus on aesthetic? Some of them don't even parse the NWS output and print the full METAR line. That's nice, and it's efficient, but does it really look like something you can show mom and dad?

      Clearly, there needs to be some kind of design that comes from outside the programmer's realm. I'm a very proficient coder.. but honestly, I can't design the graphical components worth a flip. My programs are going to be functional and well done, but they might not have the life that simply having a good aesthetic look would give it.

      One of the things I've noticed about My Dream App is that a lot of people are suggesting things that "could" be done. The programmers are the ones going "No, no no, it'd be too hard." I think that stops a lot of good ideas getting through because of programmers "filters" blocking out something they see as too hard or too edgy.

      There IS a lack of unique ideas in Linux programming. I'd like to see something that hasn't been done.. or at least a new look on an old task. Find something in linux that does something elegant while looking elegant.

      And tell me what it is. Because I'd seriously like to have something that doesn't look barebones.

    4. Re:It'd be neat to see this for linux.. by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      ``Why do linux cookbook programs all tend to resemble a spreadsheet? Why do weather programs for linux give us "Just the Facts" and don't focus on aesthetic? Some of them don't even parse the NWS output and print the full METAR line. That's nice, and it's efficient, but does it really look like something you can show mom and dad?''

      Because this software is developed by volunteers, for themselves. When it's good enough for them, the incentive to work on it diminishes. Developing a polished UI that your average mom and dad like costs a lot of time and effort, and the programmer may well decide that other things are more worthy of his attention. On top of that, there may be marked differences between what the programmer considers a good UI and what mom and dad consider a good UI.

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    5. Re:It'd be neat to see this for linux.. by magnwa · · Score: 1

      Then this alone is justification on why something like "My Dream App" would be a godsend for linux. We could take some of these applications, let users get ahold of them and dream up what they'd want, and then they could create something newer and better that might just become a "killer App." Isn't that what Linux is looking for? Don't we want a Killer App?

    6. Re:It'd be neat to see this for linux.. by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      ``Isn't that what Linux is looking for? Don't we want a Killer App?''

      I don't think "Linux" is specifically looking for anything at all. There are already several killer apps for Linux. Some "we" might want another one, but for plenty of people, Linux is already first choice. Of course, more good software is always a Good Thing.

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    7. Re:It'd be neat to see this for linux.. by magnwa · · Score: 1

      There is a difference between a killer app for the very small market share that Linux has, and what others would consider a killer app. For example, look at Firefox. Obviously, it's a very strong app. It even rises to the level of "killer." Yet more people use Firefox on Windows than on Linux. It's not "OUR" killer app.

      Linux isn't a killer app in it's own right, it's a killer OS. That's something to be said for the hacker geek, but the end user doesn't care about realtime kernels optimized towards things.. they want spiffy looks.

    8. Re:It'd be neat to see this for linux.. by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      ``but the end user doesn't care about realtime kernels optimized towards things.. they want spiffy looks.''

      That's a very narrow view of the world. I'm an end user, too, and I want an environment that I can customize to my needs to work efficiently, a system that I can understand, maintain, and fix problems on, a system that I can rely on, and a system that supports my hardware. Other people may have about looks, price, familiarity, real-time guarantees, backward compatibility, geek-factor, Freedom, or any number of other things as considerations.

      For me, Debian is Linux's killer app.

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    9. Re:It'd be neat to see this for linux.. by magnwa · · Score: 1

      No, that's a broad view of the world. A narrow view is that of a linux user. I'm sorry ,but seriously, we're not a large class to test out these applications. We're not what most computer users are. What works for us simply won't work for the majority of the world.. it simply won't.

      We're to the point now where we have a very stable OS, and a very , very solid base. The only thing we need now are reasons for people to switch. It's a narrow view to assume that because it works for the relatively small percentage of linux users , it must be perfectly ready. It's a broad view to understand that we need to start making impressionable applications for the larger majority of computer users.

  53. Check out Apple's wrongdoing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh yes, it's right here: http://malfy.org/

  54. ELL OH ELL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mac shareware application and earn royalties on sales.

    And firsthand knowledge of what it's like for someone to make a keygen for your app, and spread it around too so people can have it for free and not pay. Congrats!

  55. These are the finalists? Seriously? by SilverJets · · Score: 1

    Is this a joke? These are the finalists? The music software and the file sync belong there (maybe), but the rest?

    Atmosphere: I can look out the window and see the weather. Or, better yet I can GO OUTSIDE and experience it first hand. Why would I want it simulated on my desktop? And in case the author of this app didn't already know, dashboard comes with a weather app. Not to mention that you can read the paper, turn on the tv or radio, or go online and get the weather forcast.

    Cookbook: Link didn't work so I can't comment on the specifics of the app but I can say there are about 1000 other recipe/cookbook applications out there for multiple platforms.

    Blossom: A virtual plant? Dude are you 3 years old?

    Hijack: Oh boy! Another app for reading and posting to forums!

  56. Re:Dead Babies. --- Open source? by darkchubs · · Score: 1

    dude! this is not open source :) this is a one way information exchange, theres no community process and nothing is free as in beer or libera? and ... well ... theres no source code available ever? So yeah actualy its just like redhat...

  57. diminishing returns? by ElephanTS · · Score: 1

    I've come to the conclusion that the next killer app doesn't really exist. Or that it does but it isn't imaginable with the current level of technology. A killer app by definition has to be of high value to a large number of users and past examples include DTP programs, spreadsheets, and perhaps 3D F.P.S. games. All of those things opened doors to new ways of doing tasks (or playing games) that were seen as being revolutionary - and they were. The last application I knew that felt like a killer app was SoundJam for the Mac which quickly was bought by Apple and morphed into iTunes. Everybody I knew was using it and it spread like wildfire. According to Cassidy and Greene it was one of the most heavily pirated apps ever (perhaps only MS Office and Photoshop were more pirated) - and that's a useful way to gauge 'killerness'.

    Now, I think, most major bases are covered so that future successful apps will naturally live in smaller niches and are therefore less 'killer' by definition. An example of that would be iMovie - damn useful if you want to do easy editing of video but not enough people actually can be bothered or want to do that. Hence not quite a killer app. The same logic applies to everything imaginable on current hardware and so I don't think we'll see a killer app anytime soon. In the future I can see that a talking/listening program/system would be a killer app - something like an automated digital assistant with true intelligence - but we may need machines 100-1000x faster to achieve this or an entirely new way of designing logic chips away from current Boolean techniques. I studied AI and remain sceptical we will see this anytime within the next 20 years.

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  58. The losers... by mypalmike · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The winners ... will see their app idea realized as a Mac shareware application and earn royalties on sales.

    The losers will see their app idea realized as a Mac shareware application, minus the whole royalty thing.

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    1. Re:The losers... by Shados · · Score: 1

      Considering this is slashdot, I'm amazed you didn't say something like "the losers will see their app idea realized as Windows sharedware applications"

  59. pwnd by wild_berry · · Score: 1

    And you're behind the times: I have the next pre-release Linux -1day from the garbage bin of the linux company. It's called Vista dog. They don't even know if someone's built a computer powerful enough to run that sh..

  60. Not an app, but an add-on to iMac/Mail by SystemFault · · Score: 1

    This is what I could really use: a button on the Mail application that marks a message as spam and also reports this back to Apple's mail servers along with a report to SpamCop and perhaps other appropriate parties. Apple would thenuse this information, combined with other reports, to provide further filtering.

    Another Mail add-on would be to integrate PGP/GPG in a seamless, easy to use manner so that everyone and their grandma could use it, perhaps by default.

    1. Re:Not an app, but an add-on to iMac/Mail by kamochan · · Score: 1

      Another Mail add-on would be to integrate PGP/GPG in a seamless, easy to use manner so that everyone and their grandma could use it, perhaps by default.

      Check out GPGMail. It works seamlessly and really quite well - we use this at the office all the time.

      Now a real killer app would be something to make the PGP infrastructure key management, authentication and authorization as easy as it is with X.509 (GPG Keychain Access is a start, but not a solution). Then people could use it by default, and we could start marking all non-signed (and some signed) mail automatically as spam.

  61. Condemn copycats? by Rob_Warwick · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This paragraph out of their FAQ annoys me:

    Okay, maybe you guys aren't going to steal my idea, but what about other people? If I'm a finalist and my idea is online for everyone to see, couldn't anybody potentially steal it?

    Technically, yes. Unscrupulous developers could do just that. But if it comes to our attention that someone is pilfering ideas from our contestants, then we will do everything in our power to publicize and condemn their actions. And if any copycat apps do surface on the open market, we have faith that the Mac community will do the right thing and not subsidize plagiarism.

    Ultimately, we cannot offer any guarantees about the security of your ideas, but it's a chance that we are willing to take. Remember, we have just as much to lose as you do.

    As it's been said, only a couple of the finalists are horribly innovative applications. Do they actually propose to try and publically shame the next guy who comes out with a cookbook app?

    (Yes, for the record, I am playing around with an implementation for someline like one of the apps on the list. It's far from the same application they're proposing, but it's similar enough in overall theme that they might try to 'condemn my actions' and claim copycat. I think I've got a decent app in development, but it puts a damper on it knowing that if it gets popular enough I'm going to have these folks screaming 'he stole the idea'.)

    1. Re:Condemn copycats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IANAL, but I think you can't patent or somehow secure an idea...
      Taking a look at any software, application- or gameconcept, website, or things in RL for that matter, there are always some people copying it or doing the same without even knowing the original.

    2. Re:Condemn copycats? by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 1

      I was thinking kind of the same thing. It basically throws a monkey wrench into their whole plan. So Apple wants to make an app so good people switch to Mac to use it? If you actually figure out what the next "killer app" is, someone will be able to easily reverse-engineer it. Microsoft certainly will. Now, their version, I'll concede, probably won't be as good, but it won't matter. While people may switch to be able to use that app, they will not (in large numbers) switch so they can have a slightly better interface for that app.

      So how many people have patented these ideas? How many patent applications will be laughed at? Wait, nevermind, don't answer the second...

  62. DevStack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My dream app is the DevStack Open Source Portal.

    Portal Server - Overview
    The Portal Server is at the very heart of DevStack. All actions are permissioned off, ensuring that only authorized personnel can interact with sensitive data.
    Major objects have User-, Group- and Role-based permissions that allow for both generalized security as well as granular security.
    All actions are recorded and can be exported as data or a chart, showing who did what, and in what order.
    Important objects have audit trails, so you can quickly see which properties were changed, when and by whom.
    The user interface follows a clear, consistent design which makes it easy to learn. No curious exceptions or odd navigation paths mean you can spend less time learning how to use the system, and more time getting your work done.

    Extensible
    Designed from the ground up with extensibility in mind, adding new features is very easy.
    Need to authenticate against an LDAP server? No problem. Retrieve contracts from a corporate fileshare? Sure. Import product data from a vendor's webservice every Tuesday at 3:13 PM? Done.
    Use the Public API, Webservice API or Native API. Use the web-based Data Pipe Server.
    Your data defines the system - not the other way around.

    Widgetized Accelleration
    Lists. Selectors. Pick-lists. Validation. Paging. Sorting. Filters. (oh my!)
    You'd rather break your fingers off than write another one. DevStack can help.
    A rich library of widgets helps speed development. No more hours slaving away writing paged lists, select boxes or validating forms. Developers get to spend time on more important

    Document Server - Overview
    The DevStack Document Server is ready to handle millions of documents, images and other media.

    Built on the Apache 2 webserver and mod_perl 2, the Document Server uses a tiered file structure and a simple naming algorithm to deliver blazing performance without slowing down - even under heavy load.

    Designed from the ground up to be highly scalable, the Document Server can run alone or with others in a load balanced arrangement.

    Fully Integrated
    Once your files are added to the DevStack Document Server they are accessible to all DevStack components, and anthing that can communicate with the DevStack Public API or the DevStack Client.

    No Risk, No Lock-In
    Because your files can easily be transferred in and out of the Document Server there is no risk of them getting "stuck" on the server.

    File Versioning & Audit Trail
    Each time a document is updated, a snapshot of the document and all of its meta-data are stored away safely. Files may be rolled back and forward at will.

    Forced SSL Downloads
    You have the option to require specific files to be available only via an SSL connection. Even if someone tries to download the link without SSL, the server will force their browser to download via SSL anyway.

    Trackable Views
    Did you ever wonder if that client had downloaded your proposal? Now you can know right away when they viewed it. This reporting feature may be applied to individual files so you have absolute control over the granularity you need.

    Overview The Portal Server is at the very heart of DevStack. All actions are permissioned off, ensuring that only authorized personnel can interact with sensitive data.
    Major objects have User-, Group- and Role-based permissions that allow for both generalized security as well as granular security.
    All actions are recorded and can be exported as data or a chart, showing who did what, and in what order.
    Important objects have audit trails, so you can quickly see which properties were changed, when and by whom.
    T

  63. Killer App by kingjames128 · · Score: 0

    I know the killer app for the Mac. It's called Windows.

    1. Re:Killer App by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, install Windows, connect to the internet and watch as your Mac is slowly killed by spyware, adware and viruses

      On a side note, you guys do realise that this isn't run by Apple, but by a 3rd party?

  64. What could be causing this? by MahariBalzitch · · Score: 0

    "We are currently experiencing extremely heavy traffic, and you may encounter some errors during the voting process. Voting is possible with patience at this time, but we recommend you come back in a few hours for a much better experience. Thanks! "

  65. Re:These are the finalists? Seriously? by Therlin · · Score: 1
    Hijack: Oh boy! Another app for reading and posting to forums!

    Another one? Please tell me where I can find one that allows me to find my most favorite forums and read them and post to them. I'm not talking newsgroups, but website forums of which there are thousands out there.

    I'm serious. I'd love such an app.

  66. iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like to be able to beat match and crossfade a playlist in iTunes - it would be cool if iTunes could find songs that sound like songs I like too, not just artist who are similar, but actual songs - it seems like there'd be a way to compare wave forms...

    1. Re:iTunes by vmardian · · Score: 1
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  67. God-damn it, what are they thinking? by msimm · · Score: 1

    Virtual porn-star. Now that would be something.

    Desk could get sticky though ...

    Maybe physical activity should be one of the metrics though. You know, for, ah...excercise and health reasons. Fight prostrate cancer!

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  68. Is that it ? by Lewrker · · Score: 1

    "Killer apps" ? Puh-leeze!
    1. Blossom - tamagochi, anyone ?
    2. Whistler - Wow. A Fruity Loops clone.
    3. Portal - Ayncing ? That's the kind of application you'd expect to get for free with your new PDA or mobile phone. I can't see anyone paying for it.
    4. Hijack - How is that supposed to work with different forum engines ?
    5. Atmosphere - No, thanks. I already have Bonzo Buddy telling me the current weather.
    6. Cookbook - There are thousands of apps that can keep recipes. There are thousands of apps that can help you schedule your meals/shopping. Unless it gets integrated with the iGroceries store calling it a "killer app" is as ridiculous as calling Mozilla one, because it combines the web browser with the email client.

    1. Re:Is that it ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you actually bothered to look at the ideas?

      Portal isn't your basic PDA/Phone sync software. For example, I can work on something on my iMac at home and then when I need to go out I can just save it, Portal will sync it to my laptop and I can go and keep working on it. Then when I get back I just open the screen of my laptop and it'll automatically pick up my iMac and sync the file back so I can work on it on my iMac again. It'll allow me to keep working on my coding without needing source control (which I have no access to at the moment due to a university firewall :/)

      Whistler is far more than a Fruity Loops clone, you whistle a tune and Whistler will put it down as music to take into GarageBand and play around with to make a song

      Hijack has some fairly clever looking ways to sort out different engines, maybe if you bothered looking at more than the names and descriptions you'd see this. Reading through the comments it's easy to see that half the people here haven't read the descriptions of either the application or the contest.

  69. Real killer app by edmicman · · Score: 1

    Um, wouldn't the real killer app on a Mac be the ability to natively run Windows apps? Virtualization, emulation, pixie dust, whatever, but being able to run any friggin Windows app, game, anything, on your Mac. Anything. Not just some things. With no hardware or 3D graphics or whatever. Run ANYTHING on a Mac. I'm pretty sure that's the holy grail.

    Come to think of it, I think that might be the killer app in linux, too. Can I get funding and royalties now?

  70. They Learn Nothing... by micromuncher · · Score: 1

    I was a Mac developer for ten years. Unfortunately, I was promoting use of Mac in sci-tech. The problem then and now is the same. This whole concept of a killer app killed support by Apple and the community for any vertical app. I remember an evangelist telling me the CAD tools we were porting weren't killer apps and therefore not worthy of any attention. My point was that in science, engineering, and business... any vertical really... that ANY app is better than NO app. The biggest complaint from companies about support for Mac was lack of tools.

    Of course we learned hard lessons. Our ports of DOS/Windows products to the Mac were distinctively un-Mac like and drew ire from the bretheren.

    So we got nailed from both sides. Users didn't like the apps because they didn't use all the latest, greatest whiz bang (non portable) MacOS features. Apple (media and evangelism) didn't like the apps because they did boring stuff (chemical process simulation and plant design).

    I remember the killer Apps for QuickDraw3d. Ooooo 3d animating charting! Ah.... wait; form vs. function. Tron comes to mind. Doesn't every app need a purpose?

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  71. Free Mac SW by Lactoso · · Score: 3, Informative
    There's some cool non OSS software that's free though - Onyx and QuickSilver immediately come to mind (although there are many, many more).

    For OSS Mac stuff, a good guide is OpenSourceMac.

  72. Killer. . ? Not until we have AI and transporters by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Let's see now. You need to make a piece of software which will allow people to do what they want to do. So let's list it all. . .

    People want to write. So we have word-processors. Check.
    People want to make pictures, both moving and static. So we have graphics manipulators.
    People want to make sounds and music. We have software to serve in this capacity.
    People want to do complex maths and book-keeping. Done.
    People want to amuse themselves. Games. Done.
    People want to communicate. Again, done. We call it the 'internet'
    People want to spend money. Yup. Done that.
    And people want the construction software to be able to program all of the above. Done, done, done!

    So what's left?

    People also want to eat, sleep, transport themselves and have sex.

    Well, until you can make a food replicator, the eating thing is probably not going to see a revolution any time soon through computers. Sleep is pretty much automatic, (thank-goodness!), I guess there's aviation and transport technologies software already, so that's another done thing, (though GPS was sort of cool). --And I guess you could arguably say that sex has been amply covered by the net already.

    So what's left? What need is this new killer app going to fill?

    I suppose you could do one of the above things better, more integrated, with prettier colors. The iPod was a good example of re-packaging existing technology. Yay for Jobs.

    And realistically, re-packaging existing ideas is all that's left, (until a genius comes along and shows us all wrong, of course.)

    Google was one of those. --They gave us a way to effectively search through all the mountains of stuff generated by all the people scurrying to fill all the nooks and crannies created by the main list of things we wanted computers to do.

    So what haven't we done yet?

    What do we want to do?

    AI is a big one. It's not here yet. (Thank goodness!)
    Mind-reading hardware and software. There could be a future in that, but it's a bit far off, and again, thank-goodness for that!

    Thinking more realistically, Video on Demand in whatever form it eventually takes will probably be big. YouTube offered us a glimpse of that, but it wasn't exactly an app. Maybe Apple or somebody will rig a system where all the currents of money and data flow according to the approval of the power-brokers of the media and hardware universe. That's clearly in the works right now.

    But really. . . What's left? What do you really wish your computer could do that it can't do already?

    Maybe it's like the typewriter. It's done. Anybody can now type. Maybe what it comes down to is people focusing less on the tools themselves and more on their getting down to the hard work of actually using them.

    Just a thought.


    -FL

  73. Re:A (Path) Finder with a "Refresh" button. by voidstin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To each their own, i guess. I love path finder on my 12inch powerbook (also 1024x768). The tabs are fantastic, and the shell drawer is nice for quick shell work w/o even having to open a terminal. Filter by name is great too, and much faster than spotlight. Real permissions info, custom colors + transparency,secure delete, etc etc. It fixes most of my gripes about the finder (including this one) and the UI is customizable, and is actually fairly similar to the finder UI. In most cases, the features it duplicates, it does in less space...

    That said, I agree with your main sentiment that cmd-r should work in the finder (or the finder should jsut plain old work as someone else pointed out.)

    As for not installing shareware, isn't that what this whole article is about? If you're happy with windows explorer, stick with that. Personally, I'll take path finder (or the regular finder, or a sharp stick in the eye) instead.

  74. Would it be safe to say: by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    ... there might be lists of certain safe substitutions, and in certain cases, restricted combinations (kind of like the drug interaction stuff at your pharmacy that the computers work out for you).

    And most of the time it'd be up to the recipe author to create alternatives for certain portions of the dish (or the whole dish itself). You might have a "mainline" path through the recipe, and a few choice-driven internal detours that give you some control over the end result.

    In any case, it might be instead required to have metadata that relates recipes to each other, so a vegetarian substitute for some dish could be linked through the "vegetarian option" attribute if the recipe can't easily be modified (or contains no internal rules to that effect).

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  75. THE KILLER APP!!!! by Inconnux · · Score: 1

    a multi buttoned mouse ! :p

    I have a mac fanatic friend who has bought a new intel based mac book and has had to install
    windows to play any decent games. Macs games blow.

    A personal example. I play chess and I want to run the defacto standard program
    'fritz'... mac version? nope. Chessbase? umm nope... Chessmaster 10k? yet another no...
    any convekta training software? nope... Personal chess trainer? yet again another NO.
    For openings how about bookup? ummm yet again another NO...

    Mac has Nothing that would make me ever switch... atleast they finally realized
    that intel based hardware was the way to go.... so then if I was ever given one I could
    install windows on it.

  76. Re:first post by bobalu · · Score: 1

    Strangely enough, in all the time I've been here that WAS my first "first post"!

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  77. Some thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Point of Sale (POS) app that integrates with Quickbooks and incorporates inventory management and contact management

    Wikipedia for the iPod

    Robust database tool that is as easy to use as MS Access (perhaps this is FileMaker Pro?)

  78. My killer app dream for OSX by paulmer2003 · · Score: 1

    .......ReiserFS Honestly though, bad jokes aside, ReiserFS on it would be nice.

  79. nah by Nasarius · · Score: 1

    Appreciate the suggestion, but I'm almost in the market for a real new computer anyway (I'm running a P4 2.4GHz with 512MB RAM...yuck). The idea of buying a shiny new Mac that can run MacOS X, Windows, and Linux is very appealing. As I said, GarageBand is hardly the only reason I'm interested ;-)

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    1. Re:nah by kisrael · · Score: 1

      Cool enough.

      I gotta admit, I didn't really bond with the UI before my iBook (used cheap on Ebay) gave up the ghost. File manipulation operations never felt quite right, and there were some outright stupidities (like trying to figure out how to save to an arbitrary folder via the standard save dialog) that made the Switch harder than it should have been. Maybe I've been too corrupted by microsoft... I'm kind of a poweruser, not because I want to bem but because I've learned to get around vey quickly so the OS didn't get in my way...

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  80. Hijack Rocks. by WookieCrossbow · · Score: 1

    You guys have to head over to [url=http://mydreamapp.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id =1357]HERE[/url] and watch his videos. You will believe. VOTE the hell outta Hijack. Can't let this one lose.

    1. Re:Hijack Rocks. by Kypt · · Score: 1

      Damm right it rocks. It kills me how everyone keeps replying "How the hell is that going to work" when they're not even reading when they talk about how they'll make it work.

    2. Re:Hijack Rocks. by WookieCrossbow · · Score: 1

      Right! even the main developer keeps saying how feasible it is... dom scraping, webkits, all that shit. this app needs to happen

  81. Vaporware. by argent · · Score: 1

    Trying to recreate Usenet with a fancy GUI by screen-scraping web forums?

    Rotsa Ruck.

  82. Mediocre Judges For Mediocre Choices by macserv · · Score: 1

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not dissing on Woz or any of the judges (well, maybe J. Allard just a little... Mr. Before-And-After himself), I just don't think that the three named judges exactly have their fingers on the pulse of today's Mac user.

  83. My Greatest App Ever by dangitman · · Score: 1

    It's a virtual Virtual World, in which you become a virtual designer of Virtual Worlds.

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  84. Re:These are the finalists? Seriously? by dbcad7 · · Score: 1

    Haven't read the specs for the proposed app, but for finding forums surely google can do that. If you want automation to it, then the forums would all have to have rss feeds, and I am pretty sure there are lots of rss feed readers as browser extensions. I suppose if someone simplified the finding and adding of rss forum feeds it might be useful. I myself really only use rss for BBC headlines.. not that I don't think rss isn't cool, it is.

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  85. Shh, the Woz is here by Lactoso · · Score: 1
    "Well, look at it this way, yours was one of only three posts on /. that the Woz found necessary to reply to. So that's got to find a place in your resume somewhere."

    Upon further reflection, it probably would have been way cooler if you had posted something non-insulting and Woz had replied with, "Hmmm, that's extremely interesting. Would you mind if I sent my private jet to pick you up and bring you to the villa so that we can discuss your ideas in more depth?" instead of "you are teh suck" and Woz replying, "no I'm not". :-)

  86. Why not reinvent a classic Mac app ? by dbcad7 · · Score: 1

    Hypercard was pretty cool. I'm sure they could do a whole lot more starting from scratch... btw I'm a linux guy, just going from memory of my fathers Mac.. he loved hypercard.. course he thought he was "programming", but I wasn't about to tell him otherwise.

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  87. Idea Banking / "Intellectual Capital" by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    I have worked in an organization with a similar "idea bank" system, and it's not always that bad.

    In a large organization, it can provide a forum for people 'in the trenches' to pitch their ideas to manager-types, who they might otherwise never run into.

    A key part of the idea bank that I saw, was that people were given credit for the idea; if you suggested a good way to do something, and you made your pitch (the suggestion on the idea bank) well so that it piqued someone powerful's interest, then you stood a chance of getting pulled up to work on its implementation.

    There was a definite "lottery" aspect to it -- 'watch desperate peons attempt to win recognition for their crazy idea!' -- but it wasn't as if just by submitting an idea, you were shooting yourself in the foot.

    It also served as a big bitch-session for internal policies that folks hated; I'm not sure whether that was really an intended purpose or not.

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  88. He can afford to be. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    You missed a part:

    One of the great things about being the Woz is that you don't have to give a shit what anyone thinks of you because you're so rich you know you could buy their house, burn it down, hire hit men to kill them, and sell their children into slavery in an iPod factory, anytime you damn well want to.

    If he was working 4PM-to-close at Taco Bell, an attitude like that probably wouldn't go far.

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    "Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
  89. A killer app? by NateTech · · Score: 1

    So let me get this straight, you write an app so damn good it gets the title "killer app", and then you are only able to sell it as shareware?

    I'm thinkin' if you're smart enough to write a truly killer app, you don't give a damn about putting it out as shareware, that's for sure.

    I predict there will be a slew of ultra-lame software pieces created from this publicity stunt that all suck ass.

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