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Striving to Keep Teleworkers Happy

coondoggie writes "Employees who work from home or in remote branch offices often feel disconnected from corporate life and worry they will be forgotten and bypassed for promotions. Managers and employees have to make a concerted effort to stay in touch, experts say. At IBM, Pelino and others set out to improve corporate culture. The company sparked new life into an old tradition: IBM Club, which brings together employees for intramural sports, picnics, movies and other types of social, cultural and recreational activities."

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  1. Don't worry. by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
    > Employees who work from home or in remote branch offices often feel disconnected from corporate life and worry they will be forgotten and bypassed for promotions.

    Don't worry. So do the people who work at the head office.

    1. Re:Don't worry. by Salvance · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do teleworkers actually think they'll receive promotions? At the companies I've worked for, 9 times out of 10 the teleworker is working from home to have a better work/life balance, not because the employer asked them to. As bad as it sounds, promotions typically come to those who are willing to drop everything for their employer.

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    2. Re:Don't worry. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      DING! DING! DING! He got the right answer!

      Exactly. Anyone that thinks you get promoted for good work is a nutcase.

      you get promoted by knowing people, smoozing the executives, sacrificing your family and life for the company.

      Anyone that puts family or themselves first NEVER get promoted.

      Yes, I do know that this is fact, I was there and did that. 2 marriages and my health lost before I realized that climbing the corporate ladder is not worth it in any way. Yeah you get the 6900 Sq foot house on the golf course, the pair of Z06 vettes in the garage and that BMW 7 series.... but all you get to do is look at pictures of that stuff and maybe visit it 2 weekends a month, except the BMW that you drove into the ground at 260,000 miles in 7 years to only impress the other guys at work and honestly is no better than a decent buick but cost you a crapload more and lost 90% of it's value. Oh dont forget you are nearly eyeball in debt because you have to have that "image" working!

      Promotion? that's their nice way of saying "Hey we would like to screw you harder while making you say thanks!"

      Upper manager jobs get filled by friends. Not by hard work or skills. I chased that herring for 14 years.

      Get a decent paying job AWAY from the big cities where a house is sanely priced, cost of living is sane and you can live 15 minutes from work (GASP!) your life is better. FAR BETTER.. I'll take a $44,000 a year job in a small town over a $250,000 year job in the city any day.

    3. Re:Don't worry. by mabhatter654 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      at a company like IBM they have many Field Service or Support Engineers spread out where they live in their geographic region, but might report to the office 100 miles away. They're either fielding calls from all over the world for their specialty, or they're running from customer to customer...

      My Brother and his wife did the Sales and Training thing for a while.. the company was in OK.. so each person worked from home and flew to the customer all over the world. Unfortunately, they had many of the same issues... disconnected from the office by living near family.. but flying all over so they never see family either!!

    4. Re:Don't worry. by gmack · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As bad as it sounds, promotions typically come to those who are willing to drop everything for their employer.

      I can tell you that statement is actually quite often crap. Working extra hours and dropping all sense of personal life for your employer is like putting a giant sign on your forehead that says DOORMAT. Why should they promote you and pay you more when they can pay you exactly what your getting now for the same price?. Aside from that it shows you have no backbone and therefore no leadership abilities. If you can't stand up for yourself now how will you stand up to people under you?

      This is a lesson I learned the hard way. I used to spend all my free time at work and put in whatever hours the boss asked for. Now I find I get taken much more seriously now that I have learned to stand up for myself.

    5. Re:Don't worry. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I heard companies like yahoo is now embracing telecommuting more these days.. see http://ibooyah.com/ for details.

    6. Re:Don't worry. by Timothy+Chu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > I used to spend all my free time at work and put in whatever hours the boss asked
      > for. Now I find I get taken much more seriously now that I have learned to stand
      > up for myself.

      I think that you can only now stand up for yourself BECAUSE you put in your time and got the experience. Anybody who starts a job without demonstrating their skills/dedication/etc to the job is not going to be taken seriously.

    7. Re:Don't worry. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Get a decent paying job AWAY from the big cities where a house is sanely priced, cost of living is sane and you can live 15 minutes from work (GASP!) your life is better. FAR BETTER.. I'll take a $44,000 a year job in a small town over a $250,000 year job in the city any day.

      Housing is more expensive in the city. Then again, salaries are higher. And, yes, you can live 15 minutes away from work - if you're lucky, you won't even have to drive in. As far as the corporate ladder, there are plenty of opportunities with small companies in the cities and opportunities to start your own business. In fact, with a large density of potential clients in the area, finding clients seems to be easier than in BFE.

      -b.

    8. Re:Don't worry. by Zephyr14z · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Anyone that puts family or themselves first NEVER get promoted." I completely disagree. I have yet to give two shits about any company I've worked for, and usually get promoted pretty quickly. Office space has it right. Just a straight shooter with upper management written all over me, I guess. You're definitely right about good work having zero to do with promotions, though. Talking with your boss(es) instead of working is generally more to your advantage.

    9. Re:Don't worry. by mr_nuff · · Score: 1

      Anecdotally, I think this illustrates the difference between a good company and a bad company. If Megacorp A promotes those that actually excel at their given position, and Megacorp B promotes based on who you know in the corporate food chain whilst dedicating your life to running the corporate treadmill, guess which Megacorp will come out ahead in the end? Unfortunately, I work at Megacorp B ;)

    10. Re:Don't worry. by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Surely it's only fair that the most committed people get the best jobs? If you were sacrificing yourself for the company, you'd be pretty pissed off if you were passed over for promotion and it was given to a relative part-timer who just sees it as a source of income.

    11. Re:Don't worry. by macp · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I had traditional office and was booted out as part of a company cost saving measure. Coworkers that sat on company sites or at customer sites were also asked to work from home. Sometimes working from home is NOT a personal choice, and it has its positive or negative ramifications for the employee and his or her family, the customers and the company. It's a myth that working from home always brings you better work/life balance -- it often negatively affects work/life balance, in that your home is your office, and you never seem to get to leave it. It's especially bad for those people who just can't turn their minds off at the end of the day OR are on 24x7 call -- you can easily go from working a 40 hr. week to working 50 or 60 without ever getting out of your pajamas. It becomes a corporate expectation, and about the time it gets personally ridiculous is when you start having to manage the details of your life ("been on the frigging phone since 5am, I guess I'll take a shower between my 10:30 and 11am call?") around your work to keep the global outsourcers from clawing after your job... which they'll do anyway if you're 100% remote.

      I admit that working from home gives employees *some* flexibility in their schedules, depending on their job roles, but I think a lot of people put in more hours at their kitchen table or desk than at the office in conference rooms or around the water cooler (figuratively speaking), not to mention the commute time. It torques me to hear people complain about home office workers like they don't do $#!% all day while they're yukking it up in somebody's office, wasting their own little 9 to 5 away.

    12. Re:Don't worry. by zullnero · · Score: 1

      However, that logic strangely enough doesn't apply to telecommuters.

      You really do get forgotten. I telecommute quite a bit of my own work, and oftentimes, when I show up, coworkers are shocked and think that I had quit the company some time before. When that becomes the prevailing thought, then generally, no, in meetings people aren't going to be thinking about you and your great accomplishments.

    13. Re:Don't worry. by rifter · · Score: 1

      Anecdotally, I think this illustrates the difference between a good company and a bad company. If Megacorp A promotes those that actually excel at their given position, and Megacorp B promotes based on who you know in the corporate food chain whilst dedicating your life to running the corporate treadmill, guess which Megacorp will come out ahead in the end? Unfortunately, I work at Megacorp B ;)

      Megacorp A becomes infested with wastrel bastards masquerading as leaders (managers) who bring in the policies of Megacorp B. They might even be nice enough to couch some of in in terms of employing new industry standards or following a leader in the market. In any case those who have gained their position through subterfuge, sinecure, and sycophancy abhor the rise of those who have real merit. They protect themselves by promoting people like themselves and keeping the rest down. Because of this they tend to take over once they have a foothold, like cockroaches or mice. Hail the PHB overlords! :P

    14. Re:Don't worry. by slashthedot · · Score: 1

      I feel disconnected because I work from home only when I need to sleep.

    15. Re:Don't worry. by salesgeek · · Score: 1

      I can tell you that statement is actually quite often crap. Working extra hours and dropping all sense of personal life for your employer is like putting a giant sign on your forehead that says DOORMAT.

      The problem: many companies have a culture that rewards doormats for being walked on. Time is all we really have. Use it wisely.

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    16. Re:Don't worry. by OfficeSubmarine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I totally agree on that one. I nearly killed myself out of loyalty to my last job, literally. One of the best companies on the planet, but not worth giving up even a minute of my family life. The idea that it's not family, but money or work status that will bring happiness is the biggest lie our culture tells to its children.

    17. Re:Don't worry. by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      OK, that's bullshit. Your story is familiar. "I was a huge success, but now I know that money can't buy love".

      Must be fucking NICE to have all that shit to be able to give it all up. Oh wait, I'm rich too, so I can confirm that it is nice. It's good to be the king! But you're just fucking bragging now. Seriously, we don't care about the expensive pussy you used to pick up in your BMW's which suck ass like a Buick. And I don't know why you have to be rich to know how good the poor have it.

      How about this story: "I was a homeless guy who never had a penny to my name. It was wrecking my health. Hours and hours of sitting around on my ass were wrecking my sanity and my family life. I was literally NOT working my fingers to the bone. So, I decided to make a change. I became a millionaire instead, and let me tell you, there's a lot of truth to what they say - being poor might look like a lot of fun, like the Waltons or somethign, but it sucks to be poor."

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    18. Re:Don't worry. by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      Do teleworkers actually think they'll receive promotions? At the companies I've worked for, 9 times out of 10 the teleworker is working from home to have a better work/life balance, not because the employer asked them to.

      While I think this is generally true, my previous employer ordered a rather large number of our employees to work from home so they could consolidate office space and save money on office rent. It is correct to say that the employees were ordered to work from home. They had no choice in the matter. I would guess that perhaps 60% or more of our employees worked from home. What I thought was funny was that they forced people to work from home and then bitched that not enough people were coming into the office one or two days a week to use the tiny temporary cubicles they set up for home workers to use when working in the office. If you order people to work from home, don't be surprised if they don't want to come in at all.

    19. Re:Don't worry. by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

      The best company in the world wouldn't have *let* you nearly kill yourself working so hard, nor would they have allowed you to completely neglect your family. The best company knows that happy, healthy workers are better workers...

    20. Re:Don't worry. by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 1

      I've been lucky enough to figure that out a little quicker that it sounds like you did, although I'm sure figuring out how you get out of the debt kinda keeps you right in there (which is all part of the plan). I have one foot out of the computer industry at this point, working for a small town as their part-time fire marshal. You can't beat the job security, and the job satisfaction (as leat for me, a 14-year volunteer firefighter who is happy to finally show up proactively rather then after things have already gone wrong). Not to mention I work minutes from my home.

      I hear the stories form friends and former colliegues about buyouts, mergers, "I think we might not get bonuses this year because the new home office says out salaires are out of line", and "I think I just got put into the department of redundancy department....better start surfing Monster." I'm so glad I don't have to deal with any of that anymore. I'm a happier person, and my friends and family can tell the difference.

      I also get a kick out of the head hunters still calling me and getting their reactions. "Is this a good time?" "Sorry, no, I'm in the middle of an arson investigation." "What?" Yeah.

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    21. Re:Don't worry. by bberens · · Score: 1

      The important thing to remember is that no company is loyal to you. No manager is going to lose his job to save yours. As soon as the company determines it is more profitable to release you, they will. If they don't, they won't be in business very long. You aren't a 'team member' or part of the '[corporate name] family'. Their goal is to make you feel this way so that you will work more for less. The truth is that you provide a service for a fee. If the company you work for requires more service, it is your job to make them aware that your fee will increase. If you feel you're unjustly being asked to work more for the same money, start looking for a new job immediately. If you feel you can do it without being fired, ask a manager if you can use them as a reference. Let them know in a not so subtle way, without actually saying it, that you're looking for other employment. You'll find out very quickly how much they value you.

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    22. Re:Don't worry. by commanderfoxtrot · · Score: 1

      Err fairness and life aren't really related.

      Sad but true.

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  2. A promotion would be nice.. by LeddRokkenstud · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But if a promotion didn't come, I wouldn't be upset. As a teleworker for a local staffing service, I save enough money on gas alone. I have the comfort of my own bathroom, the comfort of my own house, and the comfort of my World of Warcraft video game on my breaks. I really wouldn't trade that to have to travel to the office every day and interact with people, even if it means never getting promoted.

    1. Re:A promotion would be nice.. by biocute · · Score: 1

      I think that's the idea.

      If one really wants to climb the corporate ladder, one should really be in the office, this is not only for the additional exposure and attention, but also for the opportunities to gossip and receive extra insider information.

    2. Re:A promotion would be nice.. by mungtor · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Even the "coming into the office" part means that you are willing to put forth effort that other people are not. If you have some skill on top of that, you should be considered for a promotion before somebody who doesn't maintain physical presence. Not because it means your better, but a large part of managing effectively means that people are able to find you when they need you.

    3. Re:A promotion would be nice.. by Joebert · · Score: 1
      this is not only for the additional exposure and attention, but also for the opportunities to gossip and receive extra insider information.


      The ones that get the promotions are the ones sitting with the boss at his beach house doing lines off his wifes chest creating the insider information to gossip about.
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    4. Re:A promotion would be nice.. by OfficeSubmarine · · Score: 1

      Not because it means your better, but a large part of managing effectively means that people are able to find you when they need you.

      Sounds like we've worked in pretty different types of office environments. Finding my superiors, usually means going from cubicle to cubicle after not finding them in their office, just on the chance of picking up a tip as to the persons current location. Whereas coworkers, at home, were available in seconds after an IM.

    5. Re:A promotion would be nice.. by mungtor · · Score: 1

      Sounds like. for us, the chain of command was a cell phone call away and then a face-to-face talk about whatever the issue was. If it was important enough to hunt somebody down, it was generally something (it was felt) should be talked about in person. IM is OK for that, but building rooms to have more than 2 people chatting seems to be a pain in the ass (but I've never really looked into it).

    6. Re:A promotion would be nice.. by pedalman · · Score: 1
      If one really wants to climb the corporate ladder, one should really be in the office, this is not only for the additional exposure and attention, but also for the opportunities to gossip and receive extra insider information.
      And to give the boss his daily "hummer".
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    7. Re:A promotion would be nice.. by funkify · · Score: 1
      the comfort of my own bathroom

      You can NEVER EVER overstate the benefit of never needing to poop in public places! Public bathrooms, even in a posh office, are NO COMPARISON to your own personal throne.

  3. Disconnected from corporate life... by t00le · · Score: 1

    ...which brings together employees for intramural sports, picnics, movies and other types of social, cultural and recreational activities."

    So you mean I may have to hang out with all of the peeps in Accounting AND Bookkeeping!?!?

    Sounds like a good chance for PFY and I to take care of those numerous denied expenses from my last expense report all in one swoop. ;)

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    1. Re:Disconnected from corporate life... by locokamil · · Score: 4, Funny

      I agree. Managing strip club + hooker expenses via email/phone is simply too difficult.

      Much easier to broach the subject over a friendly game of tennis.

    2. Re:Disconnected from corporate life... by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a good chance for PFY and I to take care of those numerous denied expenses from my last expense report all in one swoop. ;)

      Oh boy! Another TLA I had to GGL!

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    3. Re:Disconnected from corporate life... by Shads · · Score: 1

      Not a TLA BEI is BOFH.

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    4. Re:Disconnected from corporate life... by Mattintosh · · Score: 1

      Breek and sprorts?

    5. Re:Disconnected from corporate life... by macp · · Score: 1

      On a serious note, why would the employee bother to go to a regional club event when none of their coworkers or management lived in their region? To hang out with a bunch of people they don't know, and that don't know them from Adam? That doesn't build a stronger work group. Then again I never believed in that "let's network :D" crap in the first place.

  4. another opportunity for 'sports' by hotrodman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yay.. Another opportunity to have the athletic drag the non-athletic of us into 'competitions'. I'm not even fat or out of shape....just tired of Little Leagues that extend into your golden years...
      - E

    1. Re:another opportunity for 'sports' by Xaria · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you've got the wrong attitude there. Don't see it as a "competition" - see it as a chance to have fun with your workmates. If you look at it as an opportunity rather than a drag then not only will you have a good time, but you might actually get a positive outcome. Turning up to this sort of thing meant my face appeared on the radar of senior management. In a social environment your more unusual abilities can be discussed.

    2. Re:another opportunity for 'sports' by couchslug · · Score: 4, Funny

      In the military we call it Mandatory Fun.

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    3. Re:another opportunity for 'sports' by hotrodman · · Score: 1

      Maybe you have had better experiences than me.....but I have really tried. I have a bad attitude for sure, but only from years and years of putting up with same old shit. That, and I have plenty of social interaction outside work, and prefer to keep work and everything else separated. But of course, YMMV.

    4. Re:another opportunity for 'sports' by udderly · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's a fine line...you have to look like a competitor in order to be thought well of by the Fantasy Football League morons but also remember to throttle back your game so that you don't show up your boss in front of everyone. I made that mistake once.

      The first year I was working for a former employer, I beat my boss's boss out for first place in a charity road bicycle race. In all honesty, while I knew that the general rule is that you're not supposed to beat the boss, he had been going on and on for weeks about how he "hoped that he would have some real competition."

      I've been racing bicycles competitively for years, so there was no doubt in my mind that I could beat him. But I thought that I would just lay back the whole race and then act like I was going to challenge him on the last hill but let him win. Unfortunately, he wasn't quite as good a cyclist as he had been letting on, and halfway up the hill he pulled off to the side and puked.

      Needless to say, my employment there was short-lived.

    5. Re:another opportunity for 'sports' by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      best stroy evar

    6. Re:another opportunity for 'sports' by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
      I think you've got the wrong attitude there. Don't see it as a "competition" - see it as a chance to have fun with your workmates.

      I bike, I ski, I hike. But I just look silly playing "catch the ball" for some reason and am not very much good at it[1]. I want to be able to do sports that *I* like, not the sports that others tell me that I *should* like.

      [1]- possibly due to a brain infection of unknown origin as an infant that caused temporary paralysis.

      -b.

    7. Re:another opportunity for 'sports' by jazman_777 · · Score: 1

      Absolutely correct, because it's always all about you.

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    8. Re:another opportunity for 'sports' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Needless to say, my employment there was short-lived.

      Well, DUH! Next time, you fall over and start bleeding. Sheesh, showing up the boss by not puking...

    9. Re:another opportunity for 'sports' by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
      Absolutely correct, because it's always all about you.

      Does my playing (or not playing) of ball games benefit the company in any way? Make them money? If the answer is no, then STFU and don't tell me what activities I *should* enjoy in my *free* (yes, free to do whatever I want to with it within the law!) time. This is not the USSR ca. 1950 when everyone had to go to the mass meetings and be a good Party man or be ostracized or possibly jailed.

      -b.

    10. Re:another opportunity for 'sports' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      >This is not the USSR
      The Cold War's over, man! We live in AMURICUH! STFU FACIST BOSS I DONT WANNA PLAY SPORTS THIS IS AMURICUH!

      Honestly, lighten up. They aren't forcing you to do anything. If you don't want to play softball, don't play softball. Don't get pissed about the company spending resoruces to provide you, the workers, with a break from the every day grind. Maybe you'll even find out that a few co-workers are alright guys after all.

    11. Re:another opportunity for 'sports' by Joebert · · Score: 3, Funny

      Did you get a "people like you make me sick !" speach when you got the boot ?

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    12. Re:another opportunity for 'sports' by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1
      I think you've got the wrong attitude there. Don't see it as a "competition" - see it as a chance to have fun with your workmates. If you look at it as an opportunity rather than a drag then not only will you have a good time, but you might actually get a positive outcome.

      Yes, I believe that every employee should be forced to participate in mandatory employer-sponsored Aussie-rules football games. And to use their own money to participate in mandatory employee-sponsored poker tournaments. And, while they're at it, lets have them participate in mandatory office maintenance (having folks clean their own toilets helps the old cash flow, too). After all, not being willing to do these things shows a lack of commitment and team spirit, don't you think? And, after all, "If you look at it as an opportunity rather than a drag then not only will you have a good time, but you might actually get a positive outcome."

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    13. Re:another opportunity for 'sports' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. You assholes who decide that everybody has to do what you want and be happy about it should get raped with a rake. Your coworkers do not want to spend time with you, and will not enjoy it if they do. Find some real friends.

    14. Re:another opportunity for 'sports' by LennyDotCom · · Score: 1

      hey I modded you in another post so I couldn't post one of my best freinds was the owner of the Nipa Hut in the PI when were you there? Lennny at gmail.com

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    15. Re:another opportunity for 'sports' by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
      Don't get pissed about the company spending resoruces to provide you, the workers, with a break from the every day grind.

      Will this be strictly pleasure, or will business "happen" to be transacted at those convocations? If it's the latter, attandance will become sort-of obligatory if you want to advance in the company. I'd rather choose what *I* want to do with my free time, not have an unwritten mandate to chase a ball and talk business after hours...

      -b.

    16. Re:another opportunity for 'sports' by couchslug · · Score: 1

      Visited once while killing time between "hops" back to da Kun' in 1984.
      Damn Pinatubo made certain I'd never get orders to Clark, unfortunately. :(

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  5. Ex: IBM'er, comments may contain opinions! by jeaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is one of the reasons I finally left IBM. While I worked in RTP, at an IBM campus, I loved it. Surrounded by IBMer's, there were lots of activities and clubs for us to use. Once I moved to a customer site, all that disappeared. Left in a supply closet, reviled by the customer and IBM alike, we festered. Job satisfaction dropped, and so did that feeling of belonging to IBM. Add into that the drastic cost cutting IBM has implemented, and things generally sucked. We all stopped going into the office because of gas prices, and roving bands of irate customers. IBM made no effort to get the local people together. Now that they are trying to breathe "new life into an old tradition: IBM Club" I predict the same old same old. This "club" in unfunded, ignored, and generally cast aside. IBM needs to start investing again in people, not gimmicks and cheerleading.

    1. Re:Ex: IBM'er, comments may contain opinions! by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, cheerleading implies cheerleaders.
      IBM should invest in cheerleading.

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  6. Yeah, this'll work out well... by CyanDisaster · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...At IBM, Pelino and others set out to improve corporate culture. The company sparked new life into an old tradition: IBM Club, which brings together employees for intramural sports, picnics, movies and other types of social, cultural and recreational activities...

    Wouldn't it be ironic that the people it is intended to bring together might not hear about it because the notices for those activites is posted in the lunchroom?

    Why yes. I am an optimist. Why do you ask?

    Hope be with ye,
    Cyan

  7. Presence does not matter, there is no there there by gelfling · · Score: 1

    My manager lives in a different time zone, her manager lives in a different time zone from here, and so on until we find the manager who lives on another continent. See there is no there there.

  8. 40% of IBM's employees are sales or on site cons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Nice little spin there by IBM -- its been my experience that 40% of IBM's workforce is now in sales and / or on site constractors. I hardly call being put up in a hotel and working at a client site "telecommuting"

  9. Carpal Tunnel & Tool to Measure Typing Rate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    My hands are beginning to exhibit the symptoms of carpal tunnel syndrome. I need to slow down my typing, but my immediate manager has expressed an expectation that my project be completed in a limited amount of time, thus requiring my typing rate to accelerate and thus aggravating my symptoms of carpal tunnel.

    I have grown concerned about the typing rate and want to manage it in an objective way. Is there a software utility that can be run in the background that records peak and average rates of typing, measured in characters per second? The utility should be able to record the total number of typed characters and to be switched on and off (so that I can measure only the characters that I type for the project).

    I am thinking of presenting the measurements to the manager (to prove that I am exceeding reasonable expectations of effort on the project) and to a physician. I am getting close to a point when I may need to see a physician. The symptoms are becoming worse by the day.

    1. Re:Carpal Tunnel & Tool to Measure Typing Rate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      maybe it is time to not spend all day posting to slashdot then - dumbass.

    2. Re:Carpal Tunnel & Tool to Measure Typing Rate by Mateito · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do you have Carpal Tunnel or just muscular strain.

      You should go and see a physician immediately... not post to slashdot.

      Your company will have insurance against this, but you need to show that you sought medical help appropriately or the insurer may find ground to refuse payment.

    3. Re:Carpal Tunnel & Tool to Measure Typing Rate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well played, sir. Only a teleworker who's obsessed with his work could simultaneously get FP and be on topic. If I hadn't burned my last mod point on him, I'd mod you up too :)

    4. Re:Carpal Tunnel & Tool to Measure Typing Rate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First: Increase your rate of work so that you can get enough slack time to take some brief breaks.

      Second: Use those breaks to learn to program in either Lisp or PROLOG.

      Third: Write an AI program that will tell you when you're typing too much.

      And then fourth: Profit!

    5. Re:Carpal Tunnel & Tool to Measure Typing Rate by happyemoticon · · Score: 1

      There will always be managers who want you to do a particular task so quickly it becomes dangerous (ironically, these same managers also prove to be a bitch with workman's comp). Never work faster than you can work safely. If your boss says, "You're typing slowly," respond, "My wrists have been bugging me, are you saying work so fast that I injure myself?"

  10. Spin by Khel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As someone that was an IBM employee and still knows people that work at IBM I can tell you that this is mostly spin. Moving people to work from home is all about the mighty dollar. IBM saves quite a bit in expenses by having people work from home. Also, IBM doesn't really care that much about it's U.S. workforce as it is primarily interested in moving jobs to India. The last announced goal for the workforce in India is 40,000 employees. Little hiring is being done at all in the U.S. by IBM while attrition continually reduces the U.S. numbers.

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    1. Re:Spin by mabhatter654 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The telecommuters are the ones with the most secure jobs... because IBM NEEDS them to be geographically close to the customers. It's the people that are doing all the leg work. Unfortunately that would be really bad SO disconnected. I'm not a people person, but when I'm left completely alone and ignored even by the boss, my disposition goes downhill fast... the kind of slide maxed out on Prozac can stop... It's the main thing that's kept me from traveling jobs even though I'd be REALLY good at it.

    2. Re:Spin by siegesama · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Different kind of telecommuter here. In this case, we've just been moved from cubes back into our own homes. No traveling, no customers. Just doing the work that would normally be done from the cube farm. Almost all communication is via email and IM, with the occasional conference call thrown in.

      The team I've been working with lately is all based out of Poughkeepsie, and I live near RTP. A VPN connection is cheaper for my department than office rental, network port rental, and phone port rental, so it's encouraged

      Every now and then I wake up and feel very disoriented (like those old dreams of being late for school, not knowing about what your homework was, or what classes you need to be in), and will have a sort of panic attack, because I'll feel like I've just forgotten to go to work. That's a bizarre feeling to have, and it's hard to shake.

      Also, it's hard to separate where work stops and life begins. Especially if you spend a lot of time on the internet anyway. I'm always signed on to Sametime, 24/7, and check my work email as often as my regular email. I effectively live in my work now. That's got to be a great deal for IBM!

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    3. Re:Spin by scromp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I also work from home most of the time. You would benefit, I think, by setting aside a "work area," and even "work computers." When 5pm (or whenever you like to quit) hits, leave that area and don't look back until the next day. I'm not saying you shouldn't goof off on the net while working, but don't goof off working after hours. It makes a world of difference.

  11. Disconnected from corporate life? Woot! by rHBa · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Employees who work from home or in remote branch offices often feel disconnected from corporate life

    That's exactly why I freelance instead of work for a corporation.

    I live in the mountains and can go skiing, paragliding, mountain biking, climbing etc whenever the weather permits and fit my work (about two days a week is enough to pay the rent/bar tab) around my play. Sure, I don't have a lot of money but if I worked full time in London I'd spend it all on going to the mountains on holidays.
    1. Re:Disconnected from corporate life? Woot! by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
      Sure, I don't have a lot of money but if I worked full time in London I'd spend it all on going to the mountains on holidays.

      The problem with large corporations is that they're moving their employees to bumfuckia to save costs, and then paying them less, so they don't end up with more disposable income. I *like* being in the city (NYC in this case). Then again, I'm freelancing so I have the advantages of being in the city and of (somewhat) flexible hours.

      -b.

  12. Re:Presence does not matter, there is no there the by mungtor · · Score: 1

    And often that is horribly inefficient. Unclear instructions left for you in the morning (your time) may have to wait until the next day to be clarified. Unless it is standard practice to drag people out of bed at all hours of the night.

  13. Easier to change jobs than get promoted by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A basic problem with "telework" is that promotion within the company is unlikely. But job changing is easier.

    1. Re:Easier to change jobs than get promoted by bmcent1 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Who mod'd this insightful?

      I've teleworked over 5 years and received good raises every year. Telework had no impact, positive or negative, on promotions. They were based on performance, and keeping the customer happy. I was actually more organized working offsite, because 1) I could work without interuption and 2) I knew I had something to prove and that was fine with me, they granted a great perk and I stepped it up in return.

      Getting paid is all about being valuable (and making sure your value is known.) It has nothing to do with keeping a seat warm in the office. I'd telework at my next job too, in fact I probably won't take a job that doesn't offer it as a perk.

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  14. Wh..what?! by Shads · · Score: 3, Insightful

    >Employees who work from home or in remote branch offices often feel disconnected from corporate life

    I thought that was the PRIMARY benefit! What more could you want? Do yer job, do it right, do it in your PJs.

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    1. Re:Wh..what?! by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      My home office is a hell of a lot nicer, neater, better equipped, has a better view, and is a more comfortable place to work than any corporate office i have ever been in.

      My next job won't be telecommute and I don't care. I will still maintain this place.

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    2. Re:Wh..what?! by zero_offset · · Score: 1

      Better equipment was exactly the reason I originally started telecommuting. I quickly realized that everything is better at home than what they provide in the office. Today my in-office co-workers suffer those little pseudo-cubicles -- connected desks with half-height walls. And these are the highest ranking non-management employees in a company of 50,000+ people. No windows, no privacy, noisy environment, crappy lighting, equipment that is years out of date, cheap office chairs... No thanks.

      On top of that, instead of wasting an hour each day driving to and from work, I either get an extra hour of work finished (if I'm on a project which requires it), or I finish an hour earlier.

      To get on-topic with the article itself, what always depresses me is to see the people who get excited about these ill-conceived team-building events. I go to work to get paid. I don't take jobs to make friends, I'm able to do that on my own, in Real Life, without the assistance of HR. And in my world, I certainly don't make friends by playing games better suited to a classroom full of eight-year-olds.

      In general I think this leads directly back to a trend which disturbs me greatly: management treating lower-ranking employees as if they're children, almost quite literally. I walked around the office building early one morning, before anyone was there, and was pretty surprised at how much the look-and-feel really does resemble an elementary school. For example, one area is involved in global fund trade corrections. This is an important, complex business which manipulates tens of billions in assets each year. Spread across the wall in that department was a faded series of colored construction-paper circles with big googly eyes at one end, and "FUND CATERPILLAR OF SUCCESS!!" written above it. I have no idea what it meant, but as "motivational decor" options go, it ranked right up there with any third-grade classroom. We have admin assistants who hand out trinkets and junk -- candy, little cheesy "office toys" which invariably bear the company name and logo. There are entire HR-attached groups who do nothing but think up goofy contests and similar activities: my e-mail inbox receives a constant barrage of trivia (often with some politically-correct theme from the Black, Hispanic, Asian or some other Employee Network, one of many GoodThink pseudo-official groups)... Yeah, it's tedious. I don't know, maybe it works. My co-workers aren't exactly the "office pool" types, so we probably aren't the main target of these activities -- but in any case, it really bugs me to see the blatant expression of the attitude that if you're not Management, you're basically a child masquerading as an adult.

      I often wonder how much of the company's profits are squandered on this crap. It has to be a significant portion.

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    3. Re:Wh..what?! by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      Do yer job, do it right, do it in your PJs.
      Wow, you get paid to look at pr0n?

      Oops...

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    4. Re:Wh..what?! by fishbowl · · Score: 1


      >I often wonder how much of the company's profits are squandered on this crap. It has to be a significant portion.

      Been there, and *have* seen the expense reports and budgets. Trust me, you do not want to know.

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    5. Re:Wh..what?! by Shads · · Score: 1

      ... don't I wish!

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      Shadus
  15. I have the answer by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Beat the shit out of the managers that make teleworkers have to justify that we are really doing our jobs away from the office.

    It never fails, it seems every quarter some moron in Finance or some new manager in some department questions the value of teleworkers and other stupid comments or questions about the people they dont see daily.

    When you have to defend yourself in SPITE of your work quality and quantity on a regular basis it kind of makes us really pissy.

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    Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    1. Re:I have the answer by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      There are two reasons for this. Some teleworkers really are lazy, and the dweeb in finance is jealous. I suspect it's a bit more the latter than the former.

      I don't see the issue here, really. Promotion usually means a change in function which reduces the direct productive work you do in favor of management. Teleworkers are all about productive work - if they really wanted to be management, they'd hang out with the people at the office trying to climb the ladder. This usually is because they either don't like real work, or really like managing people as their work (or both). Neither of these sorts are the type of people who want to telecommute (well, maybe the former, but they get fired for getting nothing done - at least when they're in the office they can pretend to work and make it "look good").

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  16. Dignity with distance by m0llusk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sometimes being a part of office culture can open opportunities for conflict, and teleworkers may have the best longevity because they are spared the indignities of office noise and too much closeness.

  17. Re:Presence does not matter, there is no there the by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

    You haven't meet the efficency of the BlackBerry/cellphone combo!!! The IBM CEs I work with don't have offices... probably don't even sit at a desk... between the blackberry/cellphone and laptop, they "go to work" at their first customer of the day and are "done when they're done". Everything is remote... orders, calls, parts ordering, callouts... It's quite slick... but they keep those guys brutally busy.

  18. Well, doesnt this just sound like fun for everyone by mixnblend · · Score: 5, Informative

    So....now besides going to work 9 to 5 monday to friday and beyond...you go on company branded organised excursions with your fellow employees and their families...at which you all bond and the company tries to let you know about how much they care about you? I'm sorry, but this for me (and I'm sure quite a number of my generation) is pretty much what's putrid about western corporate culture today....when it suits companies, they want to have 'a positive one on one relationship with someone'[personifying probably the least personifiable construct on the planet] whether it be customer or employee, that 'lets them know they care'. When it doesn't and a companies execs want to put the boot in its 'not personal, just business'.[my fellow programmer incidentally reckons the only way to deal with that line is to make it personal]. Western business culture today seems in practice at least to either use the company as a vehicle for overtly oily and condescending overtures to customers or employees, or as a shield to hide behind when extremely irresponible decisions have been made. Its why, if I cn help it, I never want to work for a large company in my life. Once the damn things pass a certain size, they take on a personality all of their own, and it's generally not nice.

  19. Disconnected by mattwarden · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Isn't the point of working from home to be "disconnected from corporate life"?

    1. Re:Disconnected by 2helix · · Score: 1

      exactly :)

  20. IBM - I By Myself by spking1958 · · Score: 1

    IBM Club.... not a widely adopted, nor invested in approach. Now it is "IBM Spirit" to supplement the short comings of IBM Club. Most remote people don't have access to either. If you are in a few key large cities then you are okay, but what about the other 70% of the employee base? Not addressed. If you take that for granted, that you will lose all corporate/group dynamics and you like to work on your own, then, the new IBM is just fine. Yes, a lot of it comes across as Cheerleading. The real issues are much different. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Look over here at the shining lights! The real issues are more in the area of manpower management. Our Personnel Development Managers have 50-60-70 people reporting to them. They can't be effective at that rate. They are relegated to process people. That does little for personnel retention.

    1. Re:IBM - I By Myself by Starteck81 · · Score: 0

      I worked for IBM for 4 years and had two bosses. The first boss I had was great I saw her every couple of months and talked to her ever couple of weeks. My second boss? I saw him once and talked to him only a handful of times(the time I saw him was not one of them).

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  21. Not Again.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Here come the "corporate culture" wonks, yet again. I love how an entire industry of HR consultants and managers have bought into, and actively promote, this notion of corporate culture as something that can be "improved" or changed. Generally it only goes downhill over the long run once these kinds of initiatives are enacted, because most people see it to be what it really is: a feeble attempt at controlling employees emotions and psychology to make them feel personally accountable for business success or failure. Let me know how that works out and how you feel after the next round of layoffs...

  22. My Eyes! Ze Googgles, they do naathing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and the comfort of my World of Warcraft video game on my breaks

    Aiiiiieeee. Give your eyes a break once in a while!

  23. Promotions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    If it is a promotion you want and are not getting here is what you do. Call the boss on the phone or
    run into the office to talk to him. Tell him you would like to be promoted to such and such whatever that may be. One of three things will likely happen, he will either say no, say yes or try to passify you with some BS which is the most likely course of action. Now if he says no or throws you some BS you have two courses of action.

    1. Sit at home for the rest of your life and do your job like a good little boy or
    2. Find somebody else willing to give you that promotion and more money to boot.

    If you suck then you are best off sticking with number 1. If you have skills that should be rewarded and are valued then number 2 is your course of action.

    You are in charge of where you want to go with your career, nobody is gonna look out for you except
    yourself.

    I have found myself in a similar situation a manager that want's to keep me in my current position
    forever since I am the best at it and it would be hard to fill that position. Well guess what, his desires are not my desires so it is obviously time to rid myself of the relationship. Took me a whole two days to find somebody to step up and give me both the position and the money I want.

  24. Professional vs. social communication by jomama717 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I work full time from home in a senior development position and can relate very much to the disconnected feeling that is discussed in the article, but the solutions that are discussed are addressing the wrong problem in my opinion. The problem is communication but it is professional communication, not social communication that is often lacking.

    We have found that short and sweet daily "stand-up" meetings in the morning with only the immediate team members (others of whom work from home as well) are far more helpful than weekly or monthly all-staffs or get togethers. In my experience it is rare that more than 2-3 people actually speak on an all-staff conference call of more than 10 people - how can that help improve communication? Get togethers at a restaurant or park, what have you, are fun and allow for familiarization but they are outside of work and do nothing to improve the day to day communication of the issues at hand.

    We have also found webcams to be unhelpful, the concensus being that without eye contact it's just TV. Screen sharing tools like VNC or webex paired with a speaker phone are far more effective when extended collaboration has to happen, while IM takes care of the rest.

    As far as the promotions go if the team you're on isn't communicating professionally and producing crap code you have no chance of getting promoted - no matter how many funny jokes you tell at the IBM "Lunch 'n Bowl" :)

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    1. Re:Professional vs. social communication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dude... are you going to the lunch'n bowl tomorrow?

      I do find working in the office makes me privy to alot more information that would be alot harder to come-by working remote... people are alot more realistic about schedules when there in my office with the door shut, than when their sending an email out or being on a conference call... I do better at my job because I not only know that the .ppt is BS, but I know its 73.5% BS and the real dates are XYZ...

    2. Re:Professional vs. social communication by jomama717 · · Score: 1

      Damn straight I'm going to the lunch 'n bowl - first I'm gonna eat the HELL out of a burger and then I'm gonna KICK YOUR ASS

      - That Guy

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    3. Re:Professional vs. social communication by P3NIS_CLEAVER · · Score: 1

      I am in my mid 30s now. I don't want a promotion! I have a stable job and most of my life is oriented around the kids.

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  25. Purest of spin by lufub · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Whoever it was that said this was spin was completely accurate. I work in Pelino's old region-- and have been a telecommuter 15 years-- and he was gone before anyone tried to breath life back into the IBM Club. 'Back in the day' it was ok because, having worked in the office, you knew all the folks who showed up at the events. Now with "professional hires" and the for-hire talent coming in and out you can go to these things and not know a soul there. So, most of us don't go anymore. Pelino himself, when he was 'spearheading' this initiative was a complete cipher. He had some big time title and reported into HQ, but he had zero local responsibilities. However long he was in the region, I layed eyes on the guy one time. He was a big difference maker. Not. In fact, one of IBM's biggest problems in terms of morale is the pathetic notion that this sort of pointless garbage raises anyone's spirits. I have reported to someone who lived within 200 miles of me exactly 17 months in the last 15 years. And having this odd idea that managers ought to manage-- which includes sampling activites and results, coaching and directing-- and since IBM managers haven't done any of that in at least 10 years, I'm constantly at odds with this stream of placeholders who've been signing my timecard. Sign me counting the days to retirement ...

  26. The first rule of IMB Club is.... by skitz0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    you do not talk about IBM Club.
    The second rule of IMB Club is. YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT IBM CLUB.

  27. Be nice. by Maurice · · Score: 1


    Don't judge IBM too harshly. It's hard to get people excited about working for the most boring company in the world.

  28. the problem with IBM culture is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    ...if you're not a full time employee, you are shit. If you have a yellow stripe on your badge (contractor) you can't participate in most of these activities.

    In North America anyway, most of the front line people that get the real work done are contractors. Employees are just team leads to allow first line managers to have the responsibilities of a second or third line manager.

    1. Re:the problem with IBM culture is... by zero_offset · · Score: 0, Troll

      As it should be. I have personally been opposed to the IT world's infatuation with contractors throughout my very long career in this business. I have been (and am now) in the "front lines" writing code and building, deploying, and supporting systems and applications, and I have been in various levels of management, some quite high, and sometimes at very large companies. I'm generalizing of course, but it is my experience that contractors are a lot more trouble than they're usually worth. Here I'm speaking of true contractors, who come in to do a job, and leave when that job is complete -- the workforce's equivalent of a transient population -- or prostitutes, LOL.

      I am also opposed to the perma-temp phenomenon, and now that I'm writing this, I suspect that's closer to the scenario you're describing. A discussion of perma-temps leads to the greatest evil that exists in corporate culture today: Human Resources. I've ranted about it before, and I'll do it again: people should not be treated in the same way you address a shortage of copier-paper and rubber bands. The primary role of HR in large corporations today is to simply make people disposable. Contractors go a long way towards enabling this mindset.

      There are a million other angles, of course. I won't pretend I haven't done contract work before, but it's typically to get my foot in the door of a good company, at which point I jump ship and go permanent. Again, I prefer this from long experience working with both sides. And I'll add that in that experience, I've also seen no shortage of contractors with attitudes. We once had an MQ expert on contract with us, and while he was generally a nice guy, when it came to any discussion of contracting versus FTEs, he made it clear that his opinion of going full-time was that only the stupid or incapable did this. Hopefully the door didn't hit his ass too hard on the way out.

      Face it, you're temporary. It was your choice. Don't like it? Change it.

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    2. Re:the problem with IBM culture is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there is a question of asses being the subject of hitting, I would think that calling full-time workers stupid is somewhat lower on the list than calling contract workers prostitutes.

      LOLOLLOL :-)

  29. Am I the only one? by Daishiman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Am I the only one that actually likes telecommuting?


    Seriously, there's a lot of things to not like about IBM, but telecommuting certainly rocks. For one, I get to skip an hour of traffic coming and going and save up on the money. My job as a sysadmin is very lax and easygoing, and I'm studying Computer Science simultaneously, which means that the free time that I'd spend in the office I can spend home studying or, God forbid, working naked in my bedroom, or outside in the backyard(you CAN take the laptop outside).


    Socializing? You just coordinate your time telecommuting so that you have 2 days in the office so you can spend time with your team (assuming that your team is worth spending time with). I'd tell you, in a day with little stuff to do I'd rather do my own socializing inviting a friend over than spending in with a random coworker.


    And sleep. Man, there is nothing better for your health than getting to sleep an extra hour because of not having to deal with the bullshit of getting dressed and driving. Better yet, you can get out and run or do exercise before tunring the machine on.


    People who dislike telecommuting are simply not creative enough to know how to deal with it. A couple of weekly meetings in person with the rest of the staff suffices to kill the feeling of disconnection. The rest of the free time and benefits you get by being home are absolutely amazing if you use them right. I get to cook, watch TV, or read whatever I want. Yes, it does take personal discipline to lose the distractions when there's work to be done, but it's damn well worth it.



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    1. Re:Am I the only one? by SpottedKuh · · Score: 4, Funny
      I can spend home studying or, God forbid, working naked in my bedroom, or outside in the backyard(you CAN take the laptop outside)


      I guess I'd have to take my laptop outside, were I going to be working naked out there.

    2. Re:Am I the only one? by ezratrumpet · · Score: 1

      Outside? You mean....out there under the blue roof?

      Man, that's just frightening. No telling what might happen. I might end up walking around the block or some other fresh insanity.

    3. Re:Am I the only one? by jjthegreat · · Score: 1
      I would absolutely KILL to be able to telecommute to work. As a network support specialist for a major canadian isp, there is NO reason why I can't work from home. The reason is more political than anything else. Management loves to keep their team close at hand, have their little 1:1 chats about TPS reports and whatnot and yes, I did get the memo. I would take a 10% pay cut if given the opportunity to telecommute. Even at that cut, the tangible and intangible benifits far outweigh the difference.

      A) Save on gas

      B) Save on time commuting

      C) Sleep

      D) Most importantly, have a higher quality of life.

      I suppose you would have to manage your time, which would require some self discipline not all people may have. You would have to block out any potential distractions that would reduce your quality of work. The problem is that even as a tech company who purports to change with the times, proposed fundamental changes to operations almost immediately get passed over. How can you walk up to a corporation and ask for a paradigm shift in how work gets done?

  30. Other way around by fishbowl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I was 100% telecommute I was always terrified I would be promoted and given responsibilities that required me to travel, or else, forced to relocate to a main office.

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    1. Re:Other way around by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      When I was 100% telecommute I was always terrified I would be promoted and given responsibilities that required me to travel, or else, forced to relocate to a main office.

      I think telecommuting works better for small, regional level firms in that regard. I don't worry about promotions, because the only person above me is the CEO. I don't worry about feeling unvalued, because I talk to the CEO about once a week about issues.

      There's also a lot less organizational nonsense.

      The downside of small firms is that they often live quarter to quarter. So things may not be as secure over the long-term.

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    2. Re:Other way around by fishbowl · · Score: 1


      >I think telecommuting works better for small, regional level firms in that regard.

      Definitely. When you are the fertilizer that grows the president's wallet, and they *realize* this directly,
      there is not much opportunity for nonsense to enter into the picture.

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  31. Moo by Chacham · · Score: 1

    This is pretty interesting. Having worked in an office environment, and *wanting* to wortk from home, i'm sure i couls get thing done just as well, like when i did contracting work. But this gives me someting to think about. Would i miss the camaraderie? Would it actually help? After, say, a year or two, would i still enjoy being "out of the loop"?

    I have no idea, and i probably would love to find out. Regardless, it is something to think about.

  32. Re:Presence does not matter, there is no there the by gelfling · · Score: 1

    You're both right. Work that's mobile, task and work order based is very efficient this way. Work that's more collaborative, more project oriented is a lot harder. I have never met any of my last 5 managers in person. I think it's a disadvantge to me personally, careerwise. The upside is that no one really cares the hours I keep.

  33. Re:Well, doesnt this just sound like fun for every by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2, Insightful
    So....now besides going to work 9 to 5 monday to friday and beyond...you go on company branded organised excursions with your fellow employees and their families...at which you all bond and the company tries to let you know about how much they care about you?

    The problem is that in su*burp*ia, you often don't see a lot of faces outside the company since everyone's working different hours, taking care of kids, whatever, and in most suburbs, people don't even walk on the street that much. So it isn't a matter of disconnection from the company as from life in general. If more people lived in cities and smaller towns rather than in uptightass developments, maybe we'll make some progress there.

    -b.

  34. Give me a hug! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > "Employees who work from home or in remote branch offices often feel disconnected from corporate life"

    But that's what Slashdot is for! We can trade gossip, bitch about the boss (Hi Bill) and lament about the next piece of crapware we'll be forced to use (Hi Again, Bill!) I love you guys, and the time we spend together; the jeering, the rasperberries we blow each other, the flames; I somehow feel close to you guys. GROUP HUG!

    PS. As for that first post, there should be a Megatroll Mod. I don't mind the a nit of clever or informative flamebait, but that first one was plain nasty.

  35. Solution? Overcompensate! by freeze128 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm a full time Office guy. I ALWAYS come into the office (because that is where my job is - You can't repair the computers when you're at home).

    Just today, one of our Account Management Reps (who usually works from home, but comes into the office 1-2 days a month) came in and brought Soup, Cake, and christmas cards for everyone in the office.

    She loves to cook, and she loves working at home, and the people who work in the office get positive reinforcement for working in the office.

    Of course, there are the occasional remote users who never bring munchies, and only call to bitch that comcast sucks.... but screw them.... No soup for you!

  36. Re dormat analogy is so true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've gotten alot more respect (and a recent promotion) at work because I've told off people a lot higher up than I have by doing what I'm told and working really hard... in the end this makes sense... you're working on stuff thats super-complicated and only the guy with his hands deep in the work really understands all the intricate problems that exist... would you rather have an unthinking automaton drive happily off a cliff, or someone who says "hey, shit-for-brains... thats a bad idea, maybe we should do something else" if you have a good boss they'll realize that a little backbone is a good thing.

    1. Re:Re dormat analogy is so true by RKBA · · Score: 1

      I used to work for a company that regularly and intentionally made schedules too short to complete on time so that they could *require* salaried employees to work evenings and weekends for free.

    2. Re:Re dormat analogy is so true by rifter · · Score: 1

      I used to work for a company that regularly and intentionally made schedules too short to complete on time so that they could *require* salaried employees to work evenings and weekends for free.

      And I'd like to hear who doesn't. Most companies see salary as a method whereby they no longer have to pay overtime and can therefore manage cost while still requireing overtime. That's essentially what a salary is. You've agreed that whatever is required to do your job is worth $X/year rather than $X/hour. Though these days it's no better on the hourly side. More and more companies seem to find excuses for only "budgeting" for 40 hours per week while finding various ways to require more than that, complete with plausible deniability since they'll say when asked "oh of course we would never require you to work hours for which you are not paid."

      So feel lucky, salariman at least you got what you agreed to.

    3. Re:Re dormat analogy is so true by galego · · Score: 1

      Easy solution to that ... find a new job and leave. Well not 'easy' ... but simple I suppose. I left my last job moreso because I found a job I thought would be better long-term. I had told them about redundancy for 18 mos. to two years and that I didn't want to be doing the work I was doing or in the position I was in (had been verbally promised change a few times). I had just gotten a mid-term evaluation of 'outstanding'. In this case, it wasn't about the promotion, money etc., it was about where I wanted to go with my career ... but that's the point. If the job is not going where you want, America is still mostly a free country (the Socialists haven't taken over ... yet!), take yourself somewhere else.

      --

      Que Deus te de em dobro o que me desejas

      [May God give you double that which you wish for me]

    4. Re:Re dormat analogy is so true by qwijibo · · Score: 1

      Any employer who is asking employees to write 40 hours on their timecard and work more than that is setting themselves up. Any hourly person who documents their actual time as well as any requests to work additional time will have an easy time suing for the unbilled hours later. A lot of companies do it, so the companies don't get the benefit of the doubt when it goes to court if the worker has everything documented. You don't even have to grow a spine and be confrontational about it. You can just collect all of the information and file a complaint with the appropriate labor agency after you leave the company.

      I like being a contractor. If they want me to work 80 hours/week, that's fine by me. I get paid for whatever I work. If they don't want to pay for more than 40, I take days off to even it out. If the company is serious about spending more time, they will commit to spending more money. It makes for a very simple arrangement for me - I'll do the work if they'll pay for it. If they don't want to pay for the time, they can do without. It's hard to argue unpaid time with someone who is volunteering to work really long hours if that's what they've agreed to pay for.

    5. Re:Re dormat analogy is so true by gmack · · Score: 1

      My agreement with my current employer requires I work for 40 hours a week. When I need to spend extra time I document it and take it off later. Works for me because I like time off during the day for doctor appointments, errands etc. Salaries are not a ticket for unpaid extra hours and any company that does this is setting themselves up for a lawsuit.

  37. Some places are better than that by msobkow · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've worked several companies that not only encourage telework, they require it. Most people call it "tech support", and making yourself available in that capacity is not a bad thing for the career. It just means you spend your life carrying pagers and cell phones, contractually guaranteeing response times that tie you close to home and network.

    But face time is important. If no one sees you or knows what you do, you don't exist. Come budget time, neither does your paycheque.

    --
    I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
  38. IBM Club? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've only worked for IBM a short period of time, but I can tell you this. IBM Club is a joke. It's cool as long as you do something ordained by IBM. Fellow IBMers, I challenge you to try and start a motorcycle club....

    While at IBM, I've managed to have, bar none, the WORST consulting experience I have EVER had in terms of organization and leadership. I've been consulting for 8 years now and have been on with IBM less than a year. I've also met some of the least efficient managers I've ever met.

    That being said, I've also met some of the most talented people I've ever met. The people doing the perform here are very talented indeed.

    My $0.02.

    1. Re:IBM Club? by RedneckJack · · Score: 1, Informative

      In my old job, a lot of the leadership hired in were from IBM (old school - suit days). It was a "live to work" culture. Since working in that group, it affected your life outside of work. You were expected to show up for company social events especially with the interaction to the community (PR items). You were exepected to refrain from certain recreational activities (legal) such as motorcycles, four wheeling to name a few. On the company social events, even though you were on your own time, you were epected to abide in the company dress code. On vacations, you were not only expected to get approval to take time off (given anyway) but also you had to leave contact information and where you were at at all times. You also had to get approval to leave town.

  39. I, for one, am disgusted by IBM's offshoring. by nick_davison · · Score: 1

    Little hiring is being done at all in the U.S. by IBM while attrition continually reduces the U.S. numbers.

    That's disgusting, don't they know I.B.M. stands for American Business Machines?! It's not supposed to be an international company!

  40. Yes. by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    Yes. That is spot on. Because of telecommuting, I didn't have to put my child in daycare for the first year and a half of his life, letting someone else raise him. And now that my wife is recently laid off, he isn't in day care any more. This means that when lunch time hits, I simply walk out of my office, and sit down to have lunch with my wife and son just about every day. My days are 8 hours long instead of 11, which means more time with my family. Yeah, yeah, I know that not everybody wants that, but for me it is awesome.

  41. Missing the point by Kris_J · · Score: 1
    "IBM Club, which brings together employees for intramural sports, picnics, movies and other types of social, cultural and recreational activities."
    These sorts of activities panda to only a small clique in any organisation. While I'm sure the jocks and cheerleaders all think this is, like, totally cool, there's a bunch of us that would rather chew off an arm than participate in these sorts of "team building" exercises. Meanwhile, I pull out a deck of "Fluxx" and those rah-rah types suddenly go all quiet.

    Heaven forbid that anything like this is used as the official "informal" company communications system.

    1. Re:Missing the point by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      >These sorts of activities panda to only a small
      >clique in any organisation.

      Like, say, zoo fans ...

  42. Re:Presence does not matter, there is no there the by rifter · · Score: 1

    And often that is horribly inefficient. Unclear instructions left for you in the morning (your time) may have to wait until the next day to be clarified. Unless it is standard practice to drag people out of bed at all hours of the night.

    Oh no you don't get off that lucky. Because the unclear instructions contain an unclear deadline that is hours away if that (a time is given without a time zone...) and the wiseass that sent said instructions is asleep on the other side of the world, and is your boss. Best make do with what you can come up with because if you wait until they are up again to ask you will be too late to keep your job. On the bright side you'll have plenty of time to find a new job then.

  43. Why I telework.... and get promotions! by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1

    I live more than is easy to drive every day, which is my primary reason to telecommute. Other reasons: better lifestyle. Less interruption and cube noise means better productivity, which means I look worthy of promotiion. Phones & internet keep me as well connected as I need to be. I have an easy excuse to duck out of meetings I want to avoid. I can conf call in and still do something useful, or maybe sit in the sun while the rest of the participants sit in a stuffy room.

    --
    Engineering is the art of compromise.
  44. Worse still .... those trust sessions by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1
    Where you all get together and let someone from marketing do some face painting on you or play silly kindergarten games.

    If senior management only looks for people that can play silly games, and don't have the ability to identify real talents that make their company work.... well that company is going to be pretty fucked.

    --
    Engineering is the art of compromise.
  45. Most of TC advantages are on employers' side by salec · · Score: 1

    If I was founding a new, startup company nowadays, I would base it almost completely on telecommuting workforce. Therefore there would be no disadvantage for any of the employees compared to any other one.

    There are numerous savings for employer due to such business decision:

    First, lower rent (or real estate price) for office (and parking) space.

    Second, lower electricity and water bills, as well as no need for too many janitors, security personnel, etc.

    Third, I can find workforce that will accept lower pays: people have lower expenses, they don't have to commute to work, they don't have to eat out, they don't have to pay other people to day care their babies and little kids, they can even have another parallel job, as long as it doesn't interfere with their job in my hypothetic company. The savings on expenses they would have can balance the lower pay I would offer them.

    Fourth, I could, without additional costs to maintain , hire people who have troubles finding jobs because people write them out on a number of excuses but mainly because of prejudice: handicapped people, single (and not only single) mothers who still brestfeed their babies or care for their toddlers, scarred or ugly people, people who can't or have difficulties to communicate verbally, racial, ethnic or sexual minorities encumbered by others' prejudices, etc. It is rotten, unethical thing to say, but some of those people are likely to work for less money because in practice, their options are quite limited. However, you can always do the right thing and offer them decent wage. OTOH, you don't really need to know about any aspect of your employees' lives except how good is their work. Just make offer you want and don't inquire their reasons for accepting it.

    Fifth, smaller probability of litigations for various interpersonal faults. People much more easily tolerate each other when they are separated by communication channel.

    Sixth, I can employ people from anywhere in the world, who will work our "after hours" in their normal working hours. I don't have to care about relocation, visas, or anything.

    Seventh, as company HQ itself is quite "small footprint", I could easily establish it in some "tax paradise" country.

    Now, how you make a cohesive, vibrant company out of tele-present people? Well, look at internet communities, MMO games, forums, Slashdot included! It is obvious that there is much action going on there, people helping people, brainstorms are frequent, lots of ideas are transferred, assessed, refined...

    Allow employees with message board or IRC channels on company's VPN. Don't monitor their conversations unless where necessary - in "public" message boards - "conference room". Allow them to make emotional bonds of friendship, to feel like if they work next to each other and get to know each other well. However, perhaps you should bill their time spent on work unrelated (non-monitored) chats. For work related communication, they should use monitored and logged message boards (On the second thought, it should be mandatory even in companies that work with physically present employees, for other good reasons).

    1. Re:Most of TC advantages are on employers' side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      they don't have to pay other people to day care their babies and little kids,

      Erm unforunately kids tend to need some interaction, they don't just sit and play or sleep the whole time.

      Fifth, smaller probability of litigations for various interpersonal faults. People much more easily tolerate each other when they are separated by communication channel.

      I think that people are more likely to be misunderstood when they don't have some face-to-face contact. I don't like starting projects with people I've never met personally, the initial kick-off is much better being face-to-face.

      There's also the risk that one day they'll be a coup, and you'll be pushed out of the loop. All your people start working with each other.
    2. Re:Most of TC advantages are on employers' side by salec · · Score: 1
      Erm unforunately kids tend to need some interaction, they don't just sit and play or sleep the whole time.

      Well, it is true kids need interaction but it is not like they always suck away all of your attention all the time. Sometimes they indeed do need more attention, those are days when you would call in sick otherwise. Even if you don't entertain them, they'll tend to play being you and thus entertain themselves. It is much like "Take your daughter to work" day. Most of the human history, while all work was work home (on agricultural estates and around house) kids were together with their parents, who worked. I suppose home office is much safer environment for them then stables, fields and yards. Overall, I think they are more happy if you are around, even if you do something not related to them.

      I think that people are more likely to be misunderstood when they don't have some face-to-face contact. I don't like starting projects with people I've never met personally, the initial kick-off is much better being face-to-face.

      Indeed, you don't like it. However not everyone is capable of doing things every possible way.

      Me, I have feeling I communicate much "cleaner" and more concise if I am forced to write. You cannot lure others into warm fuzzy feeling of understanding if you actually didn't provide needed information. There is no hand waving. Every two-way written communication allows for gradual clarification.

      Perhaps you may have difficulties to trust people, therefore you need to "scan" their body language for signs of hidden tell signs that would discriminate them as faulty. I prefer, if I can do that, to set the stage in such way that I don't need to trust them. Either they comply and have work done good, on time, or they do not comply and are out on the basis of hard facts. It is more work for management, but if they work by themselves, manage them themselves and control themselves, why would they need me? To be Cinderella's stepmother and make it harder for them to work?

      There's also the risk that one day they'll be a coup, and you'll be pushed out of the loop. All your people start working with each other.

      Ah, more paranoia... so they are conspiring against me, the company owner. I guess that is because I am forcing them to work in inhuman working conditions... What's the point? If they are going to do it, they can do it even without telecommuting. However, they are bound by laws and contracts and I would keep the trademarks and copyrights. Besides, their passwords can be revoked any time and they would have to recreate working environment elsewhere.

      OK, I assume you were referring to situation of a CEO running this kind of company, not the owner. In that case, yes, certainly at least some of your subordinates will want your job. OTOH, you are the link between them and owners. For coup to succeed, first the board has to be dissatisfied with your performance, then someone ambitious from below has to contact them and denounce you as culprit (i.e. you are not being enough harsh to slackers or you are micromanaging, or you are making wrong and harmful decisions or something), but first this person would have to successfully manipulate own coworkers, without resorting to personal charm (it is hard when you don't have eye-to-eye contact). It may be hard to do if this person is not burning out a lot of "informal" bandwidth, which is a telltale sign that this person is on to something. If I do my job well and are truly respected by most of my employees (to know truth, you must not punish different opinions), any attempt of treason will be unsuccessful (there is plethora of ways to directly and discreetly communicate with my "followers" to find out or be informed if there is a trouble cooking up). However, I may deserve it as well, the other guy or gal may as well be a better manager, none can entirely control own destiny and own competitors.
  46. When you're remote it's a job, not a career by comrade1 · · Score: 1

    I've been working remote for four years now. Originally with a small consulting company and in the last couple of years with a tech company that bought us out (one you've all heard of - it's been on slashdot many many times). I'm under no delusions that my job is nothing more than a job, not a career. I've reached my limit in promotions - anything above where my current position is is management positions, but who would I manage? The guy that sells me corn dogs at the Circle K? That said, I'm completely happy with where I'm at...

  47. A few things we tried. by seebs · · Score: 1

    Back when I was at a company with a lot of telecommuters, we did a few things. We had an IRC channel for idle chatter, and a mailing list or two.

    The biggest improvement, I think, was the introduction of the "Watercooler Call". Every Friday at a particular time (it was around 1PM my time, I think), there was an hour long conference call to which all the engineering sorts were invited. There was a firm policy that work not be discussed during this call.

    It really did help.

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  48. Why the complaint? by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    Personally, I hate the corporate life and all the attached B.S. but still, like everyone, need money. I thought the entire reason for wanting to work from home was to be able to earn money without having to put up with the, sometimes difficult, office situation (not to mention family needs). I would love a job which would allow me to work from home. The benefits are many.

  49. Re:Well, doesnt this just sound like fun for every by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your perspective seems bizarrely binary between the two positions "cares about person" and "cares about business". You set these against each other, saying that you feel companies hypocritically sometimes claim that one is important to them, while other times showing that the other, and so not being consistent.

    This black and white thinking ignores the real world: People are, for the most part (both in forprofit and nonprofit companies) motivated by (Gasp, shock, horror, brain explode) both of them. I care about people, but I also care about working for my company. I care about people not having a horrible time, and I care about the company not doing horribly.

    If you found yourself fired for business reasons, then it was probably because the business reasons trumped the personal ones. Not that "one exists, the other (QED) does not".

    These strange theoretical constructs of human motivation sometimes just seem to overwhelm people.

  50. Not really by pvera · · Score: 1

    I telecommute 4 days a week. This spares me from what is usually a 3-hour round trip. Every time I am about to start bitching about my job I remember:

    1. No longer having to keep two cars, which saves me a ton of money in insurance, maintenance, personal property taxes, etc.
    2. No longer blowing $10/day on lunch, or having to worry about packing a lunch.
    3. Not having to put up with overpriced coffee, or crappy company-provided coffee. At my previous job I had to resort to bringing my own pod brewer and keep a supply of pods at my desk. At home I just drink my pods whenever I damn please, and I don't have to share it like at my old job. NOT YOURS.
    4. Those 3 extra hours a day translate in at least one more hour of sleep and one hour of leisure reading. As a norm telecommuters work a little longer than in-office, so that eats the third hour.
    5. We have an IRC server for our telecommuters, so we are talking to each other all day long, including during phone conferences with the boss, who doesn't use IRC. This mean we can basically talk behind his back while he is running the meeting.
    6. We are on flex time. As long as deadlines are met, nobody cares what you do. Too stressed out and want to go out for a run? Or read for half an hour? Fire up the xbox? Nobody cares as long as the work gets done. We have two basic rules: get the work done on time, and stay in touch.

    If somebody can't handle the idea of sitting on his ass at home while the company mails him checks, tough shit. There's got to be a dozen qualified people willing to sell their mothers just for the chance to have a job like that.

    At a previous job I had a team of a dozen or so programmers, almost all of them at the very least part-time telecommuters. We fixed the social isolation part by giving them a telecommuter's lounge, first come basis. They were welcome to come to the office, pick an empty spot at the lounge, program their extension and make that their office for the day. It worked great. Even if the telecommuters did not come to the office, there was bound to be one or two visiting people that needed a place to park a laptop, so the lounge was always in good use.

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    Pedro
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    The Insomniac Coder
  51. I hope by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1
    The company sparked new life into an old tradition: IBM Club...

    I hope they bring back the sing alongs from the IBM Song Book.

    --
    That is all.
  52. Actually, you're proving the OP's points... by Bamafan77 · · Score: 1
    I can tell you that statement is actually quite often crap. Working extra hours and dropping all sense of personal life for your employer is like putting a giant sign on your forehead that says DOORMAT. Why should they promote you and pay you more when they can pay you exactly what your getting now for the same price?. Aside from that it shows you have no backbone and therefore no leadership abilities. If you can't stand up for yourself now how will you stand up to people under you?

    This is a lesson I learned the hard way. I used to spend all my free time at work and put in whatever hours the boss asked for. Now I find I get taken much more seriously now that I have learned to stand up for myself.

    Actually, the "hard" lesson you learned is EXACTLY the point the OP was trying to prove. You didn't storm into the bosses's office day one and tell him you would only be working from 9-5, no questions asked and oh yeah, give me a promotion too. You only get the respect (bonuses, promotions, etc) AFTER you put in the crazy hours, NOT before. And perhaps deservedly so. If you bust your hump doing outstanding work and the company is doing well, then you should get compensated for it. (There are some hump-busters who do bad work, but that's another post :) ).
  53. Happy? Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How to keep them happy? How about who cares?!?! These lucky bastards are working from home (running errands as well, NO DOUBT) and not putting up with the germ-infested, cube monkeys who are constantly babbling junior's soccer games, or their husbands ED issues.
     

  54. Damn! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keeping them happy?!? Dude, they are working from the comfort of home, sitting around all day in their underwear... how much more content could they possibly be???

  55. Re:Presence does not matter, there is no there the by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

    unfortunately with mobile work the hours you keep end up being MOST of them...