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Google Releases Customized IE 7

narramissic writes "Google has released a customized version of Internet Explorer 7 that uses Google as the default search engine and provides users with the Google Toolbar and a Google homepage they can personalize. Perhaps not exactly what Microsoft intended when they released the Internet Explorer Administration Kit, which allows developers to customize IE."

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  1. They're not the first, are they? by JeremyBanks · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:They're not the first, are they? by Chrismith · · Score: 5, Informative
      Not only did Yahoo do this first, but when Google first released their version, they blatantly ripped off Yahoo's page.

      If you look closely at the pictures, you can even see where they blurred out the "Y!" logo in the IE7 screenshot.

      Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Google supporter, but someone dropped the ball on this. (It's since been fixed.)

    2. Re:They're not the first, are they? by eric_brissette · · Score: 1
    3. Re:They're not the first, are they? by Varun+Soundararajan · · Score: 2, Informative

      I m expecting our google fan boys to come out commenting, saying the Google IE7 is far better than the Yahoo one!!... Obligatory Disclosure:(I m also a google fanboy.. :-))

    4. Re:They're not the first, are they? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2, Informative

      Doesn't look the same anymore... http://www.google.com/toolbar/ie7/

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    5. Re:They're not the first, are they? by hudson007 · · Score: 1
    6. Re:They're not the first, are they? by t0tAl_mElTd0wN · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Friend of mine made this image - http://www.notsorandom.com/y-g.png. It shows the color difference between the two pages when overlayed. Note - Black pixels signify the exact same color.

      I'm sorry Google... I love you and all... but this is just low. Not only ripping off the layout, they copied the entire page itself...

    7. Re:They're not the first, are they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Maybe it is a standard page generated by Microsoft's kit.

    8. Re:They're not the first, are they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      They did that to water down and defuse Yahoo's attempt to attach its brand to the coattails of the latest browser from Microsoft. By using the same graphics for themselves, they meant to erase the impression of a special relationship between ie7 and Yahoo, which was the aim of the Yahoo ad. It wasn't lack of originality or laziness. There's a reason for everything a multibillion dollar company does, and it's usually insidious, or sneaky at least.

    9. Re:They're not the first, are they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coralized link to offload your server ;-)

    10. Re:They're not the first, are they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Internet Explorer 7 optimized for Yahoo!
       
      Sorry, your system does not meet the minimum requirements to install Internet Explorer 7.
       
      Internet Explorer 7 can only run on these operating systems:
       
          * Windows XP Service Pack 2
          * Windows XP Professional x64
          * Windows Server 2003 SP1
      Whereas Google lets me download it on linux.
    11. Re:They're not the first, are they? by NotBorg · · Score: 0

      This may be a mute point, but Yahoo!'s page blocks me from downloading IE7 saying that my "system does not meet the minimum requirements" (I'm not running Windows). The Google page does not. Perhaps that code didn't show up in the Google's cache (Snicker).

      The partial screen shot from Google's "remixed" yahoo page does look kind of silly with two search boxes. It seems that even with the "Administration Kit" you can't customize the layout of IE7's tool bars. This makes me wonder how much "optimization" is actually happening or possible for that matter. The only thing for sure is that MS is getting advertisement for it's new browser and someone at Google lacks originality or has a dubious sense of humor.

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    12. Re:They're not the first, are they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it's not like it was a design that had been seen many times like in the firefox starting page.

    13. Re:They're not the first, are they? by t0tAl_mElTd0wN · · Score: 2, Informative
      Sorry. From that same blog entry ( http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/008122.htm l )

      Seriously, click those images and look at the full-sized versions. They're remarkably similar. And I've checked with our PR group to make sure that this wasn't just a template that Microsoft gave to all partners. It's not.

      Second to last paragraph before the Update:
    14. Re:They're not the first, are they? by jorghis · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Yeah, but slashdot is in the business of shilling for Google not Yahoo. Mostly Yahoo just gets ignored here whenever they do something. Then when Google puts out a beta for a very similar service later it makes slashdot headlines. 90% of articles on this website have a strong pro-google and anti-ms slant. Yahoo, which has probably innovated at least as much if not moreso than any other web services company gets very little press here. I guess they should just be glad that they arent getting ripped on constantly like Googles other big competitor. (Microsoft)

    15. Re:They're not the first, are they? by paganizer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just finished installing it on my only computer that will run it; the two search bars sort of freaked me out.
      First impression: it's a skinned firefox
      2nd impression: you can't seem to move the tool bars to a better position; I can't help but think this is possible, but it's not obvious.
      3rd impression: They moved things, like standard windows file/edit stuff, to buttons. why? just to show a difference from IE6? it's not easier, and EVERY FLIPPIN' microsoft user knows how to do things that way.
      final thoughts: kinda neat, will still use firefox/seamonkey by default.

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    16. Re:They're not the first, are they? by DaSH+Alpha · · Score: 1

      I think the guy that wrote that might be the lazy one. My first reaction to this was that they both used some template that was likely part of the IEAK which is why their pages are strikingly similar. If that isn't the case after all, then sue me for being too lazy for checking it out.

    17. Re:They're not the first, are they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, full disclosure: I'm a google fanboy and all that.

      If it is indeed a copy for the sake of copying, it's quite hilarious! I'm not saying it's appropriate behavior for a multi-billion dollar corporation, but it's funny. I really think if any of these big guys pulled it I would have gotten some sort of chuckle from it. Not that it's cool, but that's between them. For us, it's enough just to enjoy life and admit it's funny.

    18. Re:They're not the first, are they? by Simon+Donkers · · Score: 5, Informative

      Google noticed the fuss everywhere and has since then changed the page. A very interesting post about this is made by Matt Cutts (Google employee) on his private blog explaining how annoying it is if somebody steals your layout. Very interesting read.
      http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/ie7-promo-page/

    19. Re:They're not the first, are they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not the case... If you take a close look at the screenshot from the Google page, and zoom on on the left side of the toolbars on the tiny screenshot on the page, you can see the remains of the Yahoo! logo.

    20. Re:They're not the first, are they? by Jugalator · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, the toolbars in IE 7 can't be moved around, as funny as it may sound.

      You can "unlock" the toolbars to resize one of them, but it seems MS didn't listen to all the complaints that were raised about this during the betas.

      I don't really understand the logic behind radically changing the UI and at the same time remove customization.

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    21. Re:They're not the first, are they? by gbjbaanb · · Score: 4, Informative
      Yes, I was really pissed off that the time-honoured menu bar was removed for the sake of it. MS seems to be moving away from menus. Anyway, the good old menu can be restored - but once you do, you'll see its always underneath the toolbar (sigh). Fortunately, this registry key will put it back init s rightful position: "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar\WebBrowser " set the value "ITBar7Position" to a dwrord 1 and its back as you'd want it.

      To turn the menu bar on in the first place - go to the tools menu/button and select 'menu bar'

      (or put this in notepad, save as a reg file and then click it)

      [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar\WebBrowser]
      "ITBar7Position"=dword:00000001
    22. Re:They're not the first, are they? by shafty023 · · Score: 1

      Where exactly do you see a "blurred" Y! in the picture? All I see is the tab is selected for google and not yahoo anymore. Not a photoshopping of the Y! logo. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see how

    23. Re:They're not the first, are they? by The+Cydonian · · Score: 1

      Blogging Googlers have responded, and I am reaching for my bwig bwag of popcorn. More of this action please!

    24. Re:They're not the first, are they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Wow. Google blatantly rips off Yahoo, and this guy's response is "but they did it first!"

      That's pathetic. It doesn't excuse Google for blatantly ripping off something that actually took effort, as opposed to simply dumping text and links into a table cell. It's hardly surprising that two UI researchers working at similar times would come up with similar designs.

      It's completely impossible for two graphic artists working at two different companies to come up with EXACTLY the same page design.

      Don't be evil my ass.

    25. Re:They're not the first, are they? by strider44 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, I believe the argument was something like "We apologise for ripping off the page and have fixed this, but to Yahoo, please don't be such a hypocritical holier than thou arsehole when you've been consistantly ripping off our pages." For the record, I believe that ripping off the ad look is a lot worse than what's really is a simple and definitely minor page that would have taken half an hour (being conservative) to build. The ads are something that Google pretty much bases their entire business on.

    26. Re:They're not the first, are they? by MrSmileyJr · · Score: 1

      After reading on Matt's blog that Yahoo copied google's adwords styling first.... maybe whoever did this at google wanted to send yahoo a message...??

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    27. Re:They're not the first, are they? by PermanentMarker · · Score: 1

      Still silly, i thougt those companies especialy google, are verry rich companies.
      And they do atract smart people, awho would come up with inventions.
      But creativity gets lost in big comapnies as always.
      Well if would work at google i would kick somebody out of the company for doing this.
      For sure copying is not rated as smart, it's rated as lazy.

      Overall it suprices me that google doesnt create his verry own brouwser.
      I'm wondering what do they do there? To me Googleis a stange company, make a lot of money but have no real direction it seams. Do they want to do something with search engines with google eart, with web pages, with myspace, with E-wallet or with.. well you name it.

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  2. HAHA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    MS pwned by their own system. Nice! FP :D

    1. Re:HAHA by empaler · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because Microsoft would really hate for you to use their software if there's a Google toolbar bundled with it. Boo hoo.

      Waitaminute...

    2. Re:HAHA by jZnat · · Score: 1

      Microsoft doesn't make any money giving out IE, but they do make money from the ads on MSN.com (the default homepage for IE). I can see why they'd be pissed.

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    3. Re:HAHA by empaler · · Score: 1

      Microsoft doesn't make any money giving out IE, but they do make money from the ads on MSN.com (the default homepage for IE). I can see why they'd be pissed. The ads are not really the issue. The user base is, however. If Google helps them pull in one or two percent in the BWII, Microsoft will rejoice. Free publicity is more worth to them than the lost ad clicks.
  3. not exactly what Microsoft intended? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    >Perhaps not exactly what Microsoft intended when they released the Internet Explorer Administration Kit, which allows developers to customize IE.

    Bullshit. Perhaps EXACTLY what Microsoft intended to help keep those pesky anti-trust lawsuits away.

    1. Re:not exactly what Microsoft intended? by empaler · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hell, forget about the lawsuits. They're just happy to see their browser being leveraged by other sites than their own.
      Bill: OMG, Steve! Google is redistributing our browser with a slight smear on the top with their logo! Whatever shall we do!?
      Steve: Send in the flying monkeys?

    2. Re:not exactly what Microsoft intended? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot is getting really pathetic now. First they whined that MS wouldn't open things up and allow other companies to do... whatever they were whining about. Which was... pretty much everything.

      Now that MS is allowing people greater control over things in the OS, Slashdot is puling the "MS messed up, haha". Just goes to show how your average Slashdork is an obsessive MS-hater, and will never approach anything made or done by the country without their pre-installed, rabid irrational hatred of all things MS.

  4. In Soviet Russia... by RileyLewis · · Score: 0

    In Soviet Russia, Microsoft is monopolized by you!

  5. But... by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What about http://www.google.com/firefox

    Did Google ever pick a side in the browser wars?

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    1. Re:But... by NineNine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Did Google ever pick a side in the browser wars?

      Smart businesspeople would never call it a "war" or choose to pick sides. Just support the big ones, whatever they are. The customers are important. Google could care less what browser their customers use. Only geeks care about "the browser war".

    2. Re:But... by bobbonomo · · Score: 1

      Why should they take a side. Just because I don't use it does not mean no one does. It's the biggest guy out there (by far). Google would be dumb to ignore or poo poo on IE.

    3. Re:But... by alshithead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Google only cares that your browser supports their site. As long as the browser functionality supports all Google options, they are happy.

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    4. Re:But... by Tetravus · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Only geeks care about "the browser war".

      Well, geeks and people who have to design two or three different implementations of a web page so it will show up correctly for all visitors. Oh, and the people who have to pay those developers who are now putting in overtime... and the content authors whose work is framed by the pages that the developers make (and want to appear equally professional to all visitors)... and maybe the investors in the company that hired the developers who want to get to IPO and get their money out as soon as possible.

      But yeah, mostly just geeks care about that stuff ;-)

    5. Re:But... by Mo+Bedda · · Score: 1

      No, Google only cares about your traffic. Browsers which support Google's functionality but never visit Google are of no use to Google.

    6. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, it's pretty funny how you've been modded up for your wake-up call to geeks, even when Google say otherwise.

      Google have said that healthy competition is in Google's interests, because if IE has 99% of the market it means Microsoft can use proprietary advantage (ActiveX -- like MS Live's Google Earth competitor) to win. By supporting Firefox (hiring Firefox developers to work on the code) they've helped create a more balanced playing field where any competitor must follow web standards (HTML/CSS/JS*) rather than .NET XAML.

      ( * and yeah it doesn't mean they have to validate but I mean in terms of the toolkit choice being open/standards)

    7. Re:But... by dheera · · Score: 1

      Not exactly. Well, I don't know because I can't speak for Google. But likely, as a search engine and provider of many services, they have to go along with whatever the public uses. They aren't the driving force behind people deciding on an OS or a browser. A lot of other factors go into the public's decision of what browser to use. Google simply takes whatever the public uses, and designs their site to work accordingly. Google's websites have generally been extremely simple (okay, except for all the crazy apps like Gmail and spreadsheets, but that still is supported by 80%+ of browsers if you combine IE and Firefox) It isn't Google's job to tell people what browser to use. It would be a bad strategy for them to try to. It's like Target trying to design their spoons to only work with their own cereal.

    8. Re:But... by Killer+Koala · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Then why is Google running Firefox's Phishing Filter for Firefox 2.0 and greater? Google has already picked a side...they chose Firefox.

    9. Re:But... by GothicX · · Score: 0

      http://www.google.pt/ie This one have more fun =)

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    10. Re:But... by Macthorpe · · Score: 1

      Rule of Acquisition 34: War is good for business.

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    11. Re:But... by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      Well, geeks and people who have to design two or three different implementations of a web page so it will show up correctly for all visitors.

      Those people are geeks. They may not care about software, hardware, technology, etc, but they're geeks all the same.

      Oh, and the people who have to pay those developers who are now putting in overtime

      You clearly don't work in the web business. Paid overtime for cross-browser compatibility fixes that should've been included in the original estimates? You wish.

      the content authors whose work is framed by the pages that the developers make (and want to appear equally professional to all visitors) ...don't care about the browser wars, care only that the stupid devs have fucked their stuff up *again*. They neither know nor care why. (And why should they? It's not their problem.)

      and maybe the investors in the company that hired the developers who want to get to IPO and get their money out as soon as possible

      Those investors most likely won't even really understand what it is the company does, beyond "makes websites". All they care about is the quarterly figures; how those figures come to be is none of their concern, that's what the board is there for. The board don't know or care about the details either, they come up with the strategic direction; the details are what the middle-management is for. The middle-management don't know or care about browser incompatibilities, development methodologies, technology choice, etc, that's what their direct reports (generally project managers and team leads) are for. The project managers and team leads do care, but only in so far as it makes things take longer (or occasionally impossible) and they're the ones that have to sort out budgeting and resourcing, and explain to the management and the client why things are taking longer and costing more.

      The only ones that really understand or care about cross-browser compatibility issues are those of us that have to deal with them (and as a programmer rather than a designer/interface developer, even I don't have to deal with them very often). No-one else cares in the least bit as long as stuff works and looks good. Hell, there was a time when even the designers I had to work with neither knew nor cared about that sort of stuff; thankfully those days are long gone.

      At least, that's my impression based on 7.5 years of working in the web, building bespoke websites. YMMV.

    12. Re:But... by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 1

      Google could care less what browser their customers use.

      Right technically, but wrong in spirit. The goal is for Google to have customers in the first place. While Google may not care what their customers use, they do want to keep those customers--and Google can keep customers easier on a non-IE browser than on IE. Simply because Microsoft, a Google competitor, controls IE, and has used it's monopoly to exclude competition in the past. So it follows that Microsoft may well exclude or make it more difficult to access Google from within IE.

      This line of thought is exactly why Google used it's incredibly valuable homepage to promote FireFox for awhile: to encourage the use of a browser among it's customers from which they could not be excluded.

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    13. Re:But... by RobGTX · · Score: 1

      Just run Firefox with the "IE Tab" plug-in and be done with it. Gives you a better and more customizable UI plus the ability to access IE Only application and sites. http://ietab.mozdev.org/

  6. Hmm... by locokamil · · Score: 2

    The term "pwned" comes to mind.

    That's my first reaction. Second reaction is... shouldn't Google be pushing anything but Internet Explorer to its customers? A certain browser named after a certain bushy animal comes to mind.

    1. Re:Hmm... by Jarjarthejedi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Google seems to be trying to put it's name on anything and everything, FireFox, IE, Dell (far as I've seen all new Dell's come with Google Toolbar and IE Google Toolbar pre-installed...and it freezes the computer if you remove one...).

      I'm just waiting for the Google burger at McDonalds, or the Google Sub, or the Google car...

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    2. Re:Hmm... by locokamil · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected. The person above me pointed out www.google.com/firefox

      What's their game? Do they even have a game (apart from expanded audience, that is).

    3. Re:Hmm... by bensafrickingenius · · Score: 3, Funny

      "A certain browser named after a certain bushy animal comes to mind"

      I don't think gopher was technically a browser...

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    4. Re:Hmm... by dheera · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You ought to be at a university. Students at my school use Google speakers. I have 13 Google T-Shirts myself. There are Google whistles, Google flashlights, Google notebooks. I have a friend with a Google lava lamp, too. All of the above given for free by Google. You'd be surprised what kinds of things they give away in the academic domain to try to recruit people and advertise. Personally I think it's a great company, but Google software certainly isn't the limit :)

    5. Re:Hmm... by trianglman · · Score: 1

      apart from expanded audience, that is
      Is there any other game for a company that makes money off of the number of people who view your ads?

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    6. Re:Hmm... by oostevo · · Score: 1
      Don't forget about Google Pizza! (http://www.google.com/support/jobs/bin/static.py? page=students.html&sid=ambassador)

      It's great to be working on a cs lab, with free pizza on cute little Google plates with Google napkins.

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    7. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I heard the Firefox is actually a red panda. But, anyways, the thing about IE 7 that upsets me is that Microsoft takes credit for the default Google search choice I make, even if I do its manual "TEST" search rigamarole. I don't think Microsoft should be seeing a penny of revenue off what search engine I choose. I hope this truly Googlized revisioning of IE 7 prevents that.

    8. Re:Hmm... by Mike+Savior · · Score: 1

      Seriously, what university? I want some free google stuff.. (No, really)

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    9. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> A certain browser named after a certain bushy animal comes to mind.

      Beaver 6.9?

    10. Re:Hmm... by dheera · · Score: 1

      MIT here, but I'm sure any other university that has major CS research might find similar stuff. The pizza, plates, napkins, flashlights, t-shirts, notepads, etc are commonplace stuff and everyone has them. Bigger stuff like speakers, lava lamps, etc. typically come if you're staffing an event sponsored by Google (we have a robotics competition that is... they give us money to help us run the competition, we let them advertise in many ways in return).

    11. Re:Hmm... by jboker · · Score: 0

      heh, just for kicks i tried http://www.google.com/ie

    12. Re:Hmm... by Mex · · Score: 1
      I'm just waiting for the Google burger at McDonalds, or the Google Sub, or the Google car...

      Oh, pish. Just have a drink and chill out, friend. http://www.google.com/googlegulp/

    13. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, come now. Ice weasels aren't *that* bushy.

    14. Re:Hmm... by CCFreak2K · · Score: 2, Funny

      A certain browser named after a certain bushy animal comes to mind.

      Oh, you mean this thing?

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    15. Re:Hmm... by tonyr1988 · · Score: 1
      shouldn't Google be pushing anything but Internet Explorer to its customers? A certain browser named after a certain bushy animal comes to mind.
      Lynx?
    16. Re:Hmm... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      That's my first reaction. Second reaction is... shouldn't Google be pushing anything but Internet Explorer to its customers? A certain browser named after a certain bushy animal comes to mind.

      Why should Google be pushing Firefox? Like any business, Google goes where the customers are. On the web, that means IE.
    17. Re:Hmm... by CheeseTroll · · Score: 0, Redundant

      A certain browser named after a certain bushy animal comes to mind.
      Lynx?

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    18. Re:Hmm... by sxtxixtxcxh · · Score: 0

      that was a replacement for internet explorer's little default search sidebar thing.

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    19. Re:Hmm... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      a certain bushy animal comes to mind.

      Hedgehog?

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    20. Re:Hmm... by mkw87 · · Score: 1

      Personally, I am waiting for the google strip club. Don't like what you see? Hit back and search again!!

      I'm just wondering what will happen if you hit the "I'm Feeling Lucky" button.

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    21. Re:Hmm... by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      There game is to get people away from live.com and yahoo.com

    22. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone pointed out on a Linux forum that when they visited Google from IE on their work machine that there was an ad at the top of the page pushing Firefox. Although I didn't get it when I tried.

  7. What they intended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Um, actually that's *exactly* what they intended... Why must everyone suppose everything that comes out of Microsoft is evil? Only SOME things that come out of them are evil. Important distinction.

  8. Perhaps not exactly... by Bieeanda · · Score: 1

    ...But it's still a potentially broadened user base. Besides, haven't there been administrator tweaking kits for earlier versions of IE, too?

    1. Re:Perhaps not exactly... by zifn4b · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There certainly has been an admin kit for prior versions, at least for IE6 anyway. Not sure why this hasn't been thought of before.

      http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/ie/re skit/6/default.mspx?mfr=true/
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  9. just think... by arnie_b · · Score: 1

    If Google pulls this off (as in, MS doesn't take them to court to take it off) do you know how many copy cats there are going to be? *giggles at the thought of Myspace IE7*

    1. Re:just think... by Jarjarthejedi · · Score: 1

      I'm don't think MS could, or probably wants to, take them to court. It seems to be a free product made using a tool released by MS themselves. Where's the lawsuit? So long as Google doesn't charge money for it or force it on people some how it may as well be Myspace IE7 to the courts, and probably to MS themselves, a free change to their browser.

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    2. Re:just think... by arnie_b · · Score: 1

      What Google is doing is attempting to take away what Microsoft has tried to take away with the release of IE7, and that is to default to MSN Search. By releasing their *own* version of IE7 with the search capabilities of google already in it, it just slims the chance of someone actually using MSN as their default search.

    3. Re:just think... by mingot · · Score: 3, Informative

      Doesn't seem like they really want to take them to court.

      From TFA:

      ieblog

    4. Re:just think... by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

      That would actually be a pretty smart thing to do for MS. If heavily customizing IE catches on, to the point where significant functionality was added as natively compiled plugins or loadable modules for IE, it would tie users right back into windows as a platform away from the web as a platform.

    5. Re:just think... by Shados · · Score: 1

      Indeed. And then no one can say people using these customised IE7 are doing so because of some monopoly forcing them: since Google also pushes Firefox... so IE7 installed that way would be so because the user actualy wants to.

    6. Re:just think... by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      I'm don't think MS could, or probably wants to, take them to court. It seems to be a free product made using a tool released by MS themselves. Where's the lawsuit?

      Does IE's license allow public redistribution by third parties without a contract ?

      (I haven't checked - although I'd assume Google's lawyers did).

    7. Re:just think... by AlexDV · · Score: 1

      So what? Users have been to change the default search engine in IE for a long time. It's much easier to just change the default than download a customized version of the browser, if that's what a user wants. Besides, most people who get IE7 will either have it delivered via Windows Update or pre-installed on their new Vista computer, in both of which cases the default will be MSN Search (or Windows Live now, I suppose) anyway.

      This is good news for MS, not bad news. Do you think the boys in Redmond would rather have Google pimping IE7 or Firefox? Hmm...

    8. Re:just think... by Score+Whore · · Score: 1

      Microsoft already released IE7 with Google search capabilities built in. It's called Internet Explorer 7 and when you first install it, it gives you a chance to decide what search provider you want to use. And surprise-surprise Google is one of your choices.

    9. Re:just think... by ticklish2day · · Score: 1

      You really need to pull your head back onto your shoulders and wonder *why* would Microsoft release a kit to customize IE. Is there a good reason? I mean, do they want anyone besides Microsoft to customize IE? C'mon use your head. Think retro. Think late 1990s. Think *REAAALLLL* hard (cough netscape cough)...

    10. Re:just think... by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      I think it's all very simple, so simple I don't really understand why it got over the head of the story submitter..

      Microsoft has support for this in IE 7 to help other companies distribute their branded version of IE 7.

      To MS it doesn't really matter what happens; as long as their browser is distributed, they're happy.

      If MS didn't allow this, you'd be able to download IE 7 from either Google and Yahoo, and that would have been Microsoft's loss as well.

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    11. Re:just think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should any of us use our heads when it's plain to see you are yet to use your own?

  10. i can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    porno IE7! ALL PORN! all the time!

    vaseline not included!

  11. Crap? Evil? Does it really make a difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    Why must everyone suppose everything that comes out of Microsoft is evil? Only SOME things that come out of them are evil

    Yes, but the emanations that aren't evil are merely crap that doesn't work properly.

  12. this version? by arazor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does it still check for a ummm "proper" Windows XP?

    1. Re:this version? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1
      Does it still check for a ummm "proper" Windows XP?

      Yes it does check to see if you are running pirated Windows.

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  13. Activation? by ilyag · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I wonder - does this version still require dealing with the WGA droid?

    The lack of desire to keep proving that my Windows is genuine is one of the main reasons so far I'm not upgrading IE. The other is the fear that it's another huge slow monster - I don't want to imagine how much disk space it takes...

    1. Re:Activation? by trianglman · · Score: 1

      I haven't checked, but I would expect so, especially with the DCMA still out there hunting people down. The reason MS left the door open for this to happen is precisely because it ties people to using Windows.

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    2. Re:Activation? by SilentChris · · Score: 0

      IE doesn't use WGA. It's free. Why would they put WGA on software that's free?

      WGA's role in life is pretty much to protect MS's bread and butter (Windows and Office). That's it.

    3. Re:Activation? by quizzicus · · Score: 1

      I was wondering that myself, so I started installing it. And yes, it does.

    4. Re:Activation? by UltraAyla · · Score: 1

      have you installed a copy of IE7? It has integrated WGA. I had to do it at work on a bunch of computers, and while it didn't require any input, it was still a bit of a bother.

    5. Re:Activation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it does do the WGA thing. However... I know for a fact that this can be easily bypassed without any modification to any of the IE7 install files. However, since I don't want to end up in court over a DMCA violation, all I can tell you is that I have seen it done, and no I cannot disclose to you or anyone how to do it. ;)

      It's just another example of how WGA does nothing but annoy paying customers. (Yes, I happen to be a paying customer btw! Just for the record..)

    6. Re:Activation? by Arctic+Dragon · · Score: 5, Informative

      My IE7 Program File directory is 2.57MB, but since installing it required two reboots, I imagine that additional files are scattered all over the place.

      A couple of months ago, I did some quick testing to see which browser uses the most RAM. I checked the RAM usage right after starting the browser with a blank page, and again after opening a total of 3 tabs (of course, YMMV):

      Mozilla Firefox 2.0 (default theme, no extensions)
      blank page: 20MB
      3 open tabs: 31MB

      Mozilla Firefox trunk build (default theme, no extensions)
      blank page: 20MB
      3 open tabs: 30MB

      Mozilla SeaMonkey 1.1A
      blank page: 17MB
      3 open tabs: 28MB

      K-Meleon 1.02
      blank page: 15MB
      3 open tabs: 24MB

      Internet Explorer 6.0SP2
      blank page: 11MB

      Internet Explorer 7.0
      blank page: 17MB
      3 open tabs: 35MB

      Opera 9.02
      blank page: 14MB
      3 open tabs: 24MB

    7. Re:Activation? by Firehed · · Score: 1

      You failed too?

      ...I mean, umm, it's the VM's fault. Yeah, that's it, it's because of running in a VM!

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    8. Re:Activation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The entire installer is a little under 10mb. It's an improved HTML renderer and a simple UI to wrap around it. If you want depressing progressive bloat, unfortunately that means you'll have to choose Firefox, since this is Microsoft's first step in the right direction in a long time.

      -Steve Gray

    9. Re:Activation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I checked the RAM usage right after starting the browser with a blank page, and again after opening a total of 3 tabs (of course, YMMV)
      You could have waited a little more longuer to give a fair chance to firefox memory leaks to give their best.

    10. Re:Activation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sir, are an idiot.

    11. Re:Activation? by csplinter · · Score: 2, Informative

      Thats intresting but, it's an apples to oranges comparison with IE compared to other browsers. IE is so fused together with Windows that you can't tell were Windows starts and IE stops. Maybe 10% of IE is tangled up in other Windows processes, maybe 50%, theres no telling how much is being offloaded.

    12. Re:Activation? by SnprBoB86 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is an extremely unscientific measurement.

      1) The order in which you perform this test could influence which DLLs are loaded in which processes
      2) Some applications may allocate memory in chunks or do other funky memory management
      3) Which pages were used? Was it the same for each browser?
      4) Do these pages include Flash, Java, or similar content which may indicate fault of plug-in rather than browser
      5) prob a million more, it's late, I'm tired

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    13. Re:Activation? by cnettel · · Score: 1

      Well, not really. It's almost the other way round for many things, all loaded DLLs will count as part of the work set, so in many types of measurements you'll get a much higher number than the total commit size if you sum over all active processes.

    14. Re:Activation? by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      IE7 is much less fused together with Windows than versions 4-6 were. For example, since installing IE7, if I put a web address in "My Computer", it opens the site in Firefox.

    15. Re:Activation? by McGiraf · · Score: 1

      "Internet Explorer 6.0SP2
      blank page: 11MB" ...

      he did not even dare to open a web page with this!

  14. #1 thing that is good about Google by dheera · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The #1 thing that has kept me liking Google is their lack of using force as a way to get consumers to adopt their products. Microsoft and AOL are very aggressive in promoting their products and try to shape their users' habits to their profit rather than catering to consumer needs to gain profit. Google, on the other hand, just comes out with wild stuff that is just so good that people flock to it. Gmail blew away Hotmail and Yahoo for a little while with the 1-gigabyte of storage space. Google maps with the Flash-based interface was just awesome. Nothing was ever forced on me. I use Google's products only because I want to.

    I don't use Microsoft's products because I want to. I use them (on occasion) because I'm forced to by the standards of others (Word documents, argh) that Microsoft has carefully crafted. I don't have to use Google maps or Froogle or anything at work. But if it's the best out there, I use it!

    I sincerely hope that this does not change. Preinstalling Google toolbar on computers is a little pushing it, in my opinion.

    1. Re:#1 thing that is good about Google by SuperStretchy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly! Throw in GMail drive extension (watch the ToS for GMail!), google calendar, google earth (blew my 75 year old grandfather's mind), etc...

      I don't have google toolbar though.. Nor any toolbar for that matter.

      People love it for its free-ness, clean ui, and lack of intrusiveness (with the exception of google desktop- which basically just destroys the point I was trying to make...)

    2. Re:#1 thing that is good about Google by dheera · · Score: 1

      "I don't have google toolbar though.. Nor any toolbar for that matter."

      The only reason why I don't run toolbars myself is because I want my browser to start up as fast as possible. I run Firefox 1.5.0.2 on Linux on a 1.7 GHz and it takes already 8 seconds to start up and after running it for a few hours it memory leaks like crazy and consumes 50% of my processor. Firefox 2.0 segfaults. It's silly. Everything else on my Linux system is running perfectly. I can't deal with a toolbar on top of this.

    3. Re:#1 thing that is good about Google by diskofish · · Score: 3, Informative

      Correction: Google maps is NOT Flash based. Yahoo! Maps is Flash based and Google maps uses Ajax.

    4. Re:#1 thing that is good about Google by SuperStretchy · · Score: 1

      Yeah... my sister used to put hotbar on every IE-equipped computer she could get her hands on when we were kids. Ever since then I've had a distaste for any toolbar. Phoning home, vulnerabilities, embedding malware, consumption of system resources, time taken to initialize, etc.

      toolbars are the spawn of satan.

    5. Re:#1 thing that is good about Google by RulerOf · · Score: 1, Informative

      I don't use Microsoft's products because I want to. I use them (on occasion) because I'm forced to by the standards of others (Word documents, argh) that Microsoft has carefully crafted.

      I personally hate Word, but not because I think it's a shitty word processor, but because in the paperless world of today, working in the constraints of an 8" x 11" sheet of virtual white space is beyond stupid. Text documents should function more like a web page (or perhaps more like a user friendly Wikipedia page) and contain automatic printer formatting capabilities... There was a project I read about a couple years back called Transliterature http://www.transliterature.org/ that called for a "revolution" in how we transmit and manipulate written information in a digital medium. You might want to read up on it because it makes a hell of a lot more sense than the emulated paper (with oh so dangerous macros!) that we've been using for the last thirty years. If Microsoft even adopts some of the outlines of that format, I know I wouldn't hate the program quite so much...

      Of course, I'll admit, "Paper on a Computer Screen" v11.x is really, really, damn good at what it does. I can't imagine how they can keep adding features to a program with such a bland purpose.
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    6. Re:#1 thing that is good about Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google Maps is Javascript and HTML... DHTML to some, AJAX to others... it's definitely NOT flash.

    7. Re:#1 thing that is good about Google by spells · · Score: 1

      The #1 thing that has kept me liking Google is their lack of using force as a way to get consumers to adopt their products.


      Wow - we have very different experiences with Google these days. I "maintain" computers for different family members in 4 different homes and I have removed Google toolbar multiple times from each one. When asked, nobody remembers wanting to install it. The toolbar is now included with a few of the standard downloads/upgrades (for example, Shockware). Of course, it's not "force" but if the toolbar is being installed without users having to check a box to install it, then I consider it adware.


      Personally, the idea that the toolbar is available in a download from other companies bothers me and stops me from wanting to use it. If I want the toolbar, I will go to Google's site and download it - I'm waiting for the day I go to download the latest version of Reader and I forget to clear the "Install Google OS" checkbox ;)

    8. Re:#1 thing that is good about Google by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Informative
      I have removed Google toolbar multiple times from each one. When asked, nobody remembers wanting to install it.

      I distinctly remember seeing the Google toolbar included in places like Shockware, and every time, there was an option to install it or not. Just because the user reflexively clicks next-next-next without ever reading or looking at "custom" options doesn't mean they weren't given a choice.

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  15. Microsoft should do the needful... by bogaboga · · Score: 0, Troll
    Perhaps not exactly what Microsoft intended when they released the Internet Explorer Administration Kit, which allows developers to customize IE.

    Microsoft should do the needful, and change the license. All those fooling around with their browser (including Google) would be stopped in their tracks. Mission accomplished - period.

    1. Re:Microsoft should do the needful... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  16. And of course... by metlin · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ...so did Yahoo!, but that never gets mentioned on Slashdot.

    And of course, the fact that Google's IE download page was a direct ripoff of Yahoo! also somehow doesn't seem be mentioned anywhere.

    Can you say plagiarism?

    1. Re:And of course... by DoorFrame · · Score: 1

      Yes it does, 16 minutes before you.

    2. Re:And of course... by RealGrouchy · · Score: 2, Informative
      Can you say plagiarism?

      Yes I can, but I only do so when I have sufficient evidence to believe it happened.

      While Yahoo's page may predate Google's page, could it be the case that both came from a template provided by Microsoft in the IE Admin Kit?

      If so, then neither is plagiarising, they are simply implementing a tool which they rightfully may.

      - RG>
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    3. Re:And of course... by mikek3332002 · · Score: 1

      It's not plagerism it is natural state of IT.

    4. Re:And of course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I say plagiarism to the repeat comment

      You contribute nothing to Slashdot

    5. Re:And of course... by tonyr1988 · · Score: 0, Troll

      As a hard-working college student, plagiarism really makes me sick. You know what else ticks me off?

      Not only that Google made their own IE, but...so did Yahoo!, but that never gets mentioned on Slashdot.

      And of course, the fact that Google's IE download page was a direct ripoff of Yahoo! also somehow doesn't seem be mentioned anywhere.

    6. Re:And of course... by Score+Whore · · Score: 1

      Yahoo's predated google's. No it didn't come from a template. Google admitted it already.

    7. Re:And of course... by RealGrouchy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ah, it's so much easier for me to speculate blindly and let someone correct me than to actually do the research.

      Thanks.

      - RG>

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  17. This is news? by MeanMF · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah I'm sure the Microsoft folks will be devastated if a lot of people download and use their software....

  18. Isnt this exactly what Microsoft intended.... by slashnar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is everyone here this dumb?? This is exactly what was intended when the Administration kit was made. Microsoft would want everyone out there(Amazon, eBay, Apple for gods sakes) to be pushing out a customized version of IE7. Dont u get it??

    1. Re:Isnt this exactly what Microsoft intended.... by Schlemphfer · · Score: 1

      > Microsoft would want everyone out there(Amazon, eBay, Apple for gods sakes) to be pushing out a customized version of IE7.

      Maybe Amazon or eBay, but definitely not Apple. You can't even download IE for a Mac anymore.
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    2. Re:Isnt this exactly what Microsoft intended.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is everyone here this dumb??
      Dont u get it??


      For some reason today's mods decided they like being insulted, and modded you up to +5.
      Maybe you're right after all.

    3. Re:Isnt this exactly what Microsoft intended.... by Val314 · · Score: 1

      Its obvious that MS wants this to happen. (since it promotes IE7)

      they even linked to the customized versions in their IE blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/12/13/google -and-web-de-release-customized-ie7.aspx

  19. Not really news... by compupc1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How is this news? The IE has been around for years and years. I remember using it to customize IE 5.5. It may have been around even earlier than that. And as to Microsoft somehow being upset, please look past the knee-jerk reaction and notice that the IE Blog, from Microsoft, actually praises the Google release, and links to their download page. This is what people are SUPPOSED to do with the IEAK. The article is really trying to make a big deal about something that's not...

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    1. Re:Not really news... by CCFreak2K · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I dealt with the Internet Explorer Administration Kit (IEAK) once at work to control user access to files and programs in explorer. From what I read as I went along, it was basically designed for developers to include a customized version of IE with their software. It wasn't limited to that, though, as there were a wide range of options that could be changed (I think my case, controlling user access, was another example of what the IEAK was made to do). So yes, this IS the intention of Microsoft. Think about it: whether it says Yahoo! or Google, it's still a Microsoft product.

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  20. I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    How exactly is this not what Microsoft intended by making that? What retarded definition of the word "customize" would not include this?

    I'm just a bit puzzled by the need to stretch an "egg on Microsoft's face HA!" out of this.

  21. So Much For "Do No Evil" by ThinkFr33ly · · Score: 1
    Google's new customized IE apparently prevents users from changing the default search provider to anything other than Google.

    Then there's the debacle of last week's release of a Google-branded version of Internet Explorer (IE) 7, which conspicuously copied--in a blatant, wholehearted fashion--a similar project from Yahoo. But my favorite little bit of fun out of Mordor, er ah, Google has got to be what happens if you try to change the default search provider on a version of IE 7 in which you've installed the Google toolbar. It actually prevents you from changing the search provider to anything other than Google, using a feature that presents itself as protection against other applications that are trying to surreptitiously change your search provider. And you know how often that happens.
    1. Re:So Much For "Do No Evil" by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      So what?

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    2. Re:So Much For "Do No Evil" by Acid-Duck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Although I don't usually agree with trying to pressure a monopoly on people, Google is the tweaker behind this customized IE which was created especially for the purpose of using Google services on an IE platform. Nothing wrong with what they did, if someone doesn't want to be forced using Google as a search engine then just use the standard IE that comes with every copy of Windows instead of downloading Google's customized version.

    3. Re:So Much For "Do No Evil" by ThinkFr33ly · · Score: 1

      Except that the primary reason that Google created this customized version is so they can then bundle this not just with all their software, but with OEM's standard software.

      In other words, Google's eventual goal is to get Dell, Gateway, HP, etc., to include the Googleized version of IE with all their new PCs.

    4. Re:So Much For "Do No Evil" by Acid-Duck · · Score: 1

      Has this been announced anywhere yet? And even if it had, more power to the consummer! don't buy from those manufaturers and stick with building your own PC (works for me) Either ways to some extent the consummer always has a choice and it's up to him/her to stand up to the crap they don't believe in (as in care enough and take the time to buy from someone else who's not imposing that stuff on you) and let their opinion be heard.

  22. Been doing this for years by DeadboltX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does no one remember all the branded versions of IE 5.5?
    Comcast had one, SBC DSL had one, I'm sure there were hundreds.

    I don't see why Microsoft would get upset at this; this is why they released the kit in the first place.
    A company is more likely to distribute a browser if they can brand it and what does Microsoft want? You got it, more people using IE7.
    Only a select few morons are going to mistake a Google branded IE7 as "Google's internet browser". Everyone else will continue to know that it is Microsoft's Internet Explorer but Google is happy to get its name in all the places it can.

  23. IE7 lacks security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that there are way more exploits than expected surfacing for Internet Explorer 7, anyone who values security is much better off with Firefox anyway.

  24. How on earth is this considered newsworthy? by dgm3574 · · Score: 1

    Nothing to see here, move along...

    IEAK is old, old, old news. It's been available since the 16 bit IE for Windows 3.1, for crying out loud.

    The most interesting part about this is that Google qualifies as every type of organization that can use the
    IEAK, according to the IEAK home page. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/ie/ie ak7/default.mspx

    With their wireless offering, they're an ISP. As a search engine, news aggregator and portal site, they're an ICP (Internet Content Provider), and with their various software, they're an ISV (Independent Software Vendor). There is absolutely nothing at all surprising about their usage of the IEAK.

    If anything, this is a feather in MSFT's cap, because Google's customization of IE7 amounts to no less than a tacit endorsement of the browser. I view this as more of a virtual atta-boy for MSFT finally releasing a browser that isn't completely sucktastic.

    I'd be interested to know (but too lazy to find out) if Google customized the user-agent string. This, combined with all of their internet advertising, could yield them some interesting data-mining opportunities.

  25. you missed it by kahrytan · · Score: 3, Insightful


      You people missed the point of Google doing this. I am sure Google still fully supports Firefox movement.

    Google released a customized IE7 for the sake of brand recognition. And it really doesn't help Microsoft either. It just gives MS bragging rights and no profit. This customized version of IE7 will get people using Google homepage and search engine. Which in return will boost revenue for Google. And with that boost, it will support Google's efforts in the Google Foundation and open source applications with the higher revenue.

    In the end, It is a win-win for the open source community. And a loosing situation for Microsoft. No one uses their precious Windows Live or MSN search. A small loss in revenue for Microsoft.

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    1. Re:you missed it by Lotunggim+Ginsawat · · Score: 1

      It helps Microsoft by keeping the IE usage rate high.

    2. Re:you missed it by kahrytan · · Score: 1



        That is just bragging rights. There is no revenue stream from it.

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    3. Re:you missed it by Lotunggim+Ginsawat · · Score: 1

      And by looking at the high IE market share, aided by Google of course, webmasters all around the world will still have to code for IE instead of using the W3C recommendations specs instead. High IE market share will always benefits Microsoft, directly or indirectly.

    4. Re:you missed it by kahrytan · · Score: 1


        However with Firefox on riding their ass they can not afford to slip up. As long as Firefox stays in the game, it will remain a thorn in Microsoft's side. Microsoft has to stay to try to stay one step ahead of Firefox or fail in the second browser wars. And we all know what happened to the company that failed last time.

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    5. Re:you missed it by Lotunggim+Ginsawat · · Score: 1

      To stay in the game, Firefox needs all the help it can get. And by releasing a customized version of IE7, that is not helping.

  26. C'mon guys. by NalosLayor · · Score: 1

    Clearly this was intentional. I don't see how anyone can take this as anything less than a joke at MS and Yahoo's expense, probably an internal joke that got slipped under the nose of a manager by a software team.

  27. Stupid, Stupid , Stupid by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

    MS has made this possible for many years. Heck, I did it for the last company I worked for. In fact, I'm sort of suprised google wasted their time doing it. Whats the point? If MS really wanted to lock down the browser, they could do it. They could DRM It seven ways to sunday. But, everynow and then someone there remebers that the company really grew due their embrace of an "open" platform Wintel ( MS OS, Intel Hardware, anyone's name on the box, anyone's software inside).

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  28. While Yahoo and Google were doing branding.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... Alexa released the only Image Search where you can specifically look for porn. That's what we all really wanted anyway, right?

  29. Did you know...anybody can customize IE? by Killer+Koala · · Score: 1

    Unlike Firefox, Microsoft made IE7's search engine to be customizable by anyone. Basically if you can return the word 'Test' in the address bar after doing a search for the word 'Test', you can add it into the search engine. Then you can make it your default one. You don't need to be a developer at all.

    1. Re:Did you know...anybody can customize IE? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      Unlike Firefox, Microsoft made IE7's search engine to be customizable by anyone.
      Wrong. Documentation to get you started on how to-do that with Firefox, may be found here.
      You don't need to be a developer at all.
      With Firefox neither.
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    2. Re:Did you know...anybody can customize IE? by Killer+Koala · · Score: 1

      The basics about that webpage is that the developer has already made the search engine plug-in for you to download. So you still need to be a developer to publish out the search engine to the public.

    3. Re:Did you know...anybody can customize IE? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      The basics about that webpage is that the developer has already made the search engine plug-in for you to download.
      Which is part of Firefox, Seamonkey and a bunch of other browsers. Did you even read the frontpage?
      So you still need to be a developer to publish out the search engine to the public.
      It's a simple piece of javascript to just make a link that adds a search engine (I've done it myself for Wiki search engines). Not sure why you'd need a developer to use a cut'n'paste javascript in a webpage.
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    4. Re:Did you know...anybody can customize IE? by jZnat · · Score: 1

      I've submitted a search engine (Bungie.net Gamertag search specifically) a long while back, and I didn't need to be a developer or anything (although I am a programmer, the MyCroft search thing is practically just a small HTML file which you can edit from an existing search anyhow).

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    5. Re:Did you know...anybody can customize IE? by Killer+Koala · · Score: 1

      Point being is that with IE, you don't need any HTML or Javascripting skills to add a search engine in. It's as easy as search for 'Test' and copy and paste the results into a window. Done.

    6. Re:Did you know...anybody can customize IE? by Sir+Homer · · Score: 1

      ... which is exactly how you do it for Firefox.

    7. Re:Did you know...anybody can customize IE? by Killer+Koala · · Score: 1

      No, it's not quite that easy in Firefox. You need to create an XML document for it to work.

  30. mod parent up by Barryke · · Score: 1

    That is a most logical possibility.

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  31. Yahoo = Evil, Google = Good? by TooManyNames · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why is it that when this same story came out for Yahoo, everyone declared that Yahoo was "pushing IE7 on Firefox users?" People were even claiming that Yahoo was trying to leverage monopolistic practices. Now that Google has done exactly the same thing, people are claiming that this somehow diminishes Microsoft's original intentions (though I don't understand how having a popular search engine endorse your web browser would be a bad thing). How is Google's decision to use this strategy any different from Yahoo's? I'm just curious to know what sort of BS /. will provide in order to prove how Google's plan is so different and ethically superior to Yahoo's.

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    1. Re:Yahoo = Evil, Google = Good? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to say I agree either way, but the difference actually is very obvious.

      Google shows the "Upgrade to Google's IE7" thing -only- if you're running IE.

      Yahoo shows it to people running firefox.

      I'm not saying I approve, disapprove, or whatnot, just that they're different.

    2. Re:Yahoo = Evil, Google = Good? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless I'm mistaken, the complaint was that Yahoo is displaying an IE7 ad on their results page for everyone who isn't using IE7, which means they're targeting Mozilla (and IE6, but they'll probably upgrade regardless) users. Not to mention they're pushing IE7 on Mac users, but that just seems pretty silly to me.

      Google, on the other hand, just has a copy of IE7 stashed away unobtrusively somewhere on their website. The only place a link to that page shows up for me is as an AdWords result when I search for 'IE7'.

      Though, I'll admit that this whole article is pretty much a non-story and never should have been posted.

    3. Re:Yahoo = Evil, Google = Good? by Dirtside · · Score: 1

      Uh, are you sure it's the same people who bitched about Yahoo's IE7 that are supporting Google's IE7? Because there's more than one person on Slashdot, and not everyone here has the same opinions.

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    4. Re:Yahoo = Evil, Google = Good? by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

      Because Google also sponsors Firefox through the Google search box.

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  32. Just to clarify... by cyberwench · · Score: 3, Informative

    Mute = myoot. As in unable to speak.

    Moot = moot. Little practical value or meaning.

    It's one of those things like "another words" / "in other words".

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    1. Re:Just to clarify... by SpectreHiro · · Score: 2, Informative

      **Off-topic warning**

      Language Log coined a term to refer to this type of (near) sound-alike -- Eggcorns. Every now and again, LL talks about new eggcorns they've discovered in the wild. Most of the time, these things are pretty entertaining in a "giggling at people's linguistic foibles" sort of way (foibles that we're all guilty of at some point, I should add). There's also a website dedicated to cataloging them locate here.

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    2. Re:Just to clarify... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Good one! And I'll bet he comes back with some lame excuse blaming someone else. But it'll of course be just an escape goat. (which everybody knows is an old wise tale).

    3. Re:Just to clarify... by fatphil · · Score: 1

      Don't forget:

      Moot adj., arguable: open to argument or debate

      As a noun or a verb, moot means debate. Many Eastpondians find the Westpondian use in an adjectival form to mean effectively the opposite to be quite risible.

      FatPhil, Eastpondian.

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    4. Re:Just to clarify... by Pasquina · · Score: 1

      Joey: All right, Rach. The big question is, "does he like you?" All right? Because if he doesn't like you, this is all a moo point.
      Rachel: Huh. A moo point?
      Joey: Yeah, it's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo.

      Disclaimer: I only know this because my girlfriend quoted it to me, and I googled it for the full text.

  33. I prefer a different approach by msobkow · · Score: 1

    Mozilla and Firefox first so one can leverage XUL.

    Otherwise pure W3C.

    If the vendor doesn't follow standards, too bad. I've better things to do than tweak stylesheets and generate inefficient image formats to get around browsers that don't display a transparent PNG background.

    Guess what? Proper W3C HTML usually renders the same in any browser I've used. Some just lag in supporting standards and end up a bit ugly, but still function fine.

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  34. This is exactly what it was created for! by probielantow · · Score: 1

    Microsoft created the IE admin pack for exactly this reason, I'm sure they are not thrilled about Google's release of a branded "product", however it fits the business model of creating custom browsers. I'm sure the intention of this package is for individual manufactors to customize the products on their computer products and google has just as much a right to do this as Yahoo, HP, Dell, or any other manufacturer. Then again I'm sure Microsoft is not happy that their tools are being used to advance googles agenda, but Google is a smart business model and they saturate the market with their brand name (google is practically a verb).

    My two cents at least.

  35. Not what they intended? by jorghis · · Score: 1

    Actually I am pretty sure that this is -exactly- the sort of thing they intended. Third party websites pushing both their website and IE7.

    All this will do is get people who likely would have been using Google anyway to upgrade to IE7 as well. Both companies stand to gain from this.

    This submission might not have been accepted without the snarky comment about how Google was using MS's own features against them though.

  36. Linux version? by eealex · · Score: 1

    When will google make a customized version of IE7 to run on Linux (with wine or whatever)?

    1. Re:Linux version? by csplinter · · Score: 1

      Never thats a violation of Microsofts EULA

    2. Re:Linux version? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Never thats a violation of Microsofts EULA

      Really?
    3. Re:Linux version? by csplinter · · Score: 1

      Yes really, read the thing.

  37. Actually, it's EXACTLY what was intended. by PixieDust · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Must be a really slow news day.

    From Microsoft's Page regarding Advantages for Content Providers .

    To customize Internet Explorer, you can add your organization's name or other wording to the title bar. For example, the phrase "Windows Internet Explorer Provided by Proseware, Inc." could appear on your title bar.
    You can preset the following Web pages and links:
    Customer support page
    Users' home page
    Users' search providers

    So no, it's EXACTLY what Microsoft intended. And the very fact that it's being offered by Google is actually a boon to Microsoft. They may be competitors in some areas, but this has obvious benefits for both.

    1. Re:Actually, it's EXACTLY what was intended. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To customize Internet Explorer, you can add your organization's name or other wording to the title bar. For example, the phrase "Windows Internet Explorer Provided by Proseware, Inc." could appear on your title bar.

      Hmm - where have I seen that before - oh yes, free ISPs in the 90s.

  38. Of course it is. by JacksBrokenCode · · Score: 1

    Most are also conveniently ignoring the fact that IE7 simply imports your IE6 settings. If you already had the Google search hooks set (either by the Google toolbar or doing it manually), IE7 adopts those settings. My IE7 installation has defaulted to Google searching since day 1 and has never even tried to override it with Live settings.

    If you've never tried to setup IE to use Google search before, there's no reason a new IE install from Microsoft.com should point you that direction. If you've already done that work or are bothering to install Google's modified IE, MS isn't getting in your way.

  39. Missing option by quakehead3 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Optimized for Slashdot"

  40. MOD PARENT UP. by JacksBrokenCode · · Score: 1

    Pretty much covered all the bases with that post.

  41. Not flying monkeys by PixieDust · · Score: 1, Funny
    Steve would start screaming obscenities and really just make a lot of racket (perhaps throw a handy heavy object around).

    Bill: Uh, Steve?

    Steve: Oh, uh.... YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAA!!!! DAMN STRAIGHT! YAAAAAAARRRRRRR!

    Bill: STEVE!

    Steve: Right, whew. Just got a bit excited there... *twitch* YYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAA *toss*

    Bill: So, I'll expect your next TPS report to have a new cover sheet, and go ahead and make sure you get a copy of that memo. Mmmmkay?

  42. Bet that made the chairs fly! by threaded · · Score: 0, Troll

    Expect the usual: some update that breaks Google version, and an ever more bloated EULA on the next release.

  43. Dont mod parent up by jorghis · · Score: 1

    The parent even replied and admitted that this is not the case. Why must we desperatly seek out any excuse that will keep google from looking bad? Whenever MS does something bad and it gets posted here people dont make unfounded speculation to try to justify it. (well ok, some do but they are usually modded down)

  44. It's *exactly* what Microsoft intended by joeykiller · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Perhaps not exactly what Microsoft intended when they released the Internet Explorer Administration Kit
    I'd say it is the other way around. This is exactly what Microsoft intended: Let companies and users make and distribute customized versions of Explorer, and by doing this help Microsoft regain market share. The fact that two out of the top ten internet sites now does this, must be great for the IE team (if not for the Windows Live Search team).
  45. And Firefox 2 ? by GothicX · · Score: 0

    So when Google will provide firefox v2.0 ? like in pack, adsense, ... That's more important.

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  46. Dumb question by Lykil · · Score: 1

    This may be a dumb question, but what's the big news with this? If you just click to the right of the search bar in IE7, you can choose Google as your default search engine. You can even remove live.

    1. Re:Dumb question by Macthorpe · · Score: 1

      Apparently the big news is that GOOGLE PWNT M$, apparently by doing exactly what MS intended people to do.

      Yeah, I don't get it either.

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  47. Why did you all cry when Yahoo did it? by GeekDork · · Score: 1

    Subject says it all.

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  48. (Ignore this post) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oops, I modded the parent down accidentally. I'm just posting to negate my modding.

  49. I saved myself some time by Snarfiorix · · Score: 1

    Instead of downloading Google's IE I just set the default search engine to Google and made my own existing customized Google home page to default in IE and as I don't care much about the Google toolbar I was done in 10 seconds.

    I imagine it may be usefull for people who don't know how to do this, but honestly.. how hard is it and does it justify a Google version of IE 7?

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  50. I do know how often that happens. by r00t · · Score: 1

    Malware replaces the default search all the time.

    On a typical Windows PC, there will be many different pieces of malware fighting over this. The malware also fights over your home page and numerous other things.

    1. Re:I do know how often that happens. by ThinkFr33ly · · Score: 1

      Very true, but if malware is on your machine it will do what it damn well pleases. Google preventing the user from changing the default search provider does only that - prevents the USER from changing it. Malware will change it just fine.