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Wired News 2006 Vaporware Awards

silentounce writes "Wired News has released the winners of its 9th annual Wired News Vaporware Awards. I won't list any of them in the summary because I don't want to spoil anyone's surprise. They have some interesting entries, one that is more a concept of a product than an actual product. I'm not sure how you can claim something is vaporware if it hasn't even been given a specific name or a developer yet, but apparently they think they can. "

215 comments

  1. Nothing for you to see here. Please move along by Klaidas · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hmmm... story vaporware?

    1. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 4, Funny

      Metavaporware: vaporware about vaporware.

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  2. As always, you-know-who is #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here's the list of major accomplishments that have been achieved since they announced it back in 1997: http://duke.a-13.net/

    1. Re:As always, you-know-who is #1 by Thansal · · Score: 2, Informative
      ha!

      that is an awsome list.
      # Over 75 games based in the MegaMan universe, and 12 games featuring MegaMan universe character cameos.
      # Over 50 games based in the Star Wars universe.
      # Mario has appeared in 58 different video games.


      Those are just fun statistics :D
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    2. Re:As always, you-know-who is #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could claim the world record in vaporware...

    3. Re:As always, you-know-who is #1 by Bieeanda · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I just love that they claim that Prey enjoyed 'overwhelming success'. Given that it was almost as late, little more than silly gameplay gimmicks, and far, far shorter than the designers swore, I'd call it 'middling' at best.

    4. Re:As always, you-know-who is #1 by ubergenius · · Score: 1

      Here's the list of major accomplishments that have been achieved since they announced it back in 1997: http://duke.a-13.net/ Science and Technology * The United States' entire program to put a man on the moon, from Kennedy's challenge to the landing. Wars: * The American War for Independence * The United States Civil War * World War I * World War II and the entire Manhattan Project. * The United State's involvement in the Vietnam War. Wow! That... is startling awesome!
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  3. Vaporware by phoenixwade · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is it just me? or is listing "Duke Nukem Forever" as number one yet again becoming a tired old joke?

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    1. Re:Vaporware by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Funny

      tired old joke?

            Old jokes never tire on Slashdot, you insensitive clod!

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    2. Re:Vaporware by BunnyClaws · · Score: 1

      Nah, Duke Nukem Forever is the king of vaporware. If the 3D Realms had just dropped the idea of Duke Nukem Forever then the joke would be old. However, they claim to still be developing it which is what makes it so damn funny. DKF should have gone the way of Team Fortress II and just let it die a silent death but 3D Realms continues to keep promising it.

      By the way I still want to play Team Fortress II.

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    3. Re:Vaporware by Thansal · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actualy TF2 is currently slated for release with HL2:EP2 (I think that has a 2nd quarter '07 date, but I don't remember atm).

      The original TF2 was scrapped around the same time as HL2 started dev, but that was because they just compleatly restarted the project based on Source.

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    4. Re:Vaporware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually TF2 did not die a silent death...it had a silent rebirth:

      Check out the latest trailer!

      You know that's some badass shit...

    5. Re:Vaporware by slashbob22 · · Score: 4, Funny

      tired old joke?

      Old jokes never tire on Slashdot, you insensitive clod! Cue the: In Soviet Russia joke tires you.
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    6. Re:Vaporware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      AFAICT, the list was voted on by Wired readers. Blame the unwashed masses

    7. Re:Vaporware by BunnyClaws · · Score: 1

      HA! It was a silent rebirth. I didn't know they had trailers out there. The clips do look very slick. Great, "Just when I thought I was out, they pulled me right back in." I gotta play Team Fortress 2 now. It actually looks a lot different than the original TF2 clips. Looks more like the original TFC running on the HL2 engine. But damn it looks good.

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    8. Re:Vaporware by eyeball · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Old jokes never tire on Slashdot, you insensitive clod!

      In Soviet Russia, old jokes tire of you!

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    9. Re:Vaporware by diogenesx · · Score: 0, Redundant

      In Soviet Russia, Old Jokes Tire Of YOU!

    10. Re:Vaporware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...but will it run on linux? ...but can it perform cunnilingus on a hardwood floor?

    11. Re:Vaporware by rblancarte · · Score: 2, Funny

      Can you imagine a beowulf cluster of tired old jokes?

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    12. Re:Vaporware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Looks more like the original TFC running on the HL2 engine.

      Eh??? It's cel-shaded! How could that look anything like TFC?

      I do like the whimsical take tho. You want gritty, play counterstrike.

    13. Re:Vaporware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like that makes it ok.

      DNF switched underlying platforms several times, and it still made the list.

    14. Re:Vaporware by 91degrees · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I have poured hot grits down my pants. Thank you.

    15. Re:Vaporware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Can you imagine a beowulf cluster of tired old jokes?

      No, but I can imagine Natalie Portman petrified in front of some old Koreans frantically trying to save BSD before it dies.

    16. Re:Vaporware by jbrader · · Score: 4, Funny
      My theory on DNF goes like this:

      They really are still working on it. Sometime in the near future they're going to release a demo and set a firm shipping date. We'll all play the demo and it'll so rad everyone will have a video game induced orgasm and toss out all their copies of the now obsolete Halo. The day before the actual release Jesus will return and send everyone off to their just reward, meaning no one will ever actually get to play the damn thing since video games are way to evil to be allowed in Heaven and way to fun to be allowed in Hell.

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    17. Re:Vaporware by Cctoide · · Score: 1

      I for one welcome our Beowulf cluster of tired old jokes overlords.

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    18. Re:Vaporware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Got that right. Now imagine a beowulf cluster of these babies.

    19. Re:Vaporware by anagama · · Score: 1

      I'm beginning to suspect that DNF is a sort of subversive but brilliant form of promotion. It means that every time vaporware is mentioned, so is 3D Realms. This keeps the company name in the public mind and makes people interested in whatever they do make -- interested like gawkers at a bloody accident but interested nonetheless.

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    20. Re:Vaporware by AntonyL · · Score: 1

      Ahhhhh... the good old days.

      Le sigh.

      Ant.

    21. Re:Vaporware by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Does anyone really think they're still working on it? Its gamings biggest joke, with 3DRealms laughing as much as we are.

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    22. Re:Vaporware by bky1701 · · Score: 1

      1. Say joke is old
      2. Reply with older joke
      3. ???
      4. Profit!

    23. Re:Vaporware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Imagine a Beowulf cluster of bad jokes!

      2. I, for one, welcome our tired joking Slashdot-posting overlords ...

      3. ???

      4. Profit!

    24. Re:Vaporware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How old is that joke, anyway? Please give measurements in Volkswagens.

    25. Re:Vaporware by aclarke · · Score: 1

      This is Slashdot, where we can all make tired old jokes. I should remind you, though, that in Korea only tired old people make jokes.

    26. Re:Vaporware by thopkins · · Score: 1

      You didn't mention grits!

    27. Re:Vaporware by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can you imagine a beowulf cluster of tired old jokes?

      That's pretty much a capsule definition of the internet!

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    28. Re:Vaporware by jsoderba · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, 3D Realms doesn't actually make anything. (Prey was developed by Human Head Studios.)

    29. Re:Vaporware by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      I, for one, welcome our tired old joke overlords.

      Chris Mattern

    30. Re:Vaporware by ildon · · Score: 1

      TF2, as it was going to be, is dead. I have seen absolutely nothing new in the videos/screenshots they've shown of this "new" TF2. It just looks like TFC with updated graphics (even the same damn maps).

      Until they prove otherwise, this is TFC: Source, and TF2 is truly dead. Bring on ET:QW.

    31. Re:Vaporware by Cyncynut · · Score: 1

      And that's why I'm always subconsciously aiming for the purgatory.

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  4. A380 is not vaporware... by IdleTime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is already flying. Just because it is not in commercial use yet, doesn't make it vapor ware. Duke Nukem is.

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    1. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      By that definition, Duke Nukem is not vaporware either. After 10 years, the game has to be somewhat playable, but it is not yet ready for commercial use - much like the A380.

    2. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Interesting
      [A380] is already flying. Just because it is not in commercial use yet, doesn't make it vapor ware.

      The X-33 flew as well, but that was total vaporware. Until someone accepts delivery of an A380, it will remain as vaporware as Airbus continues to delay shipments in order to "work out the bugs".
    3. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be French.

    4. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by IdleTime · · Score: 1

      Probably as much as you are French I guess...

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    5. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by east+coast · · Score: 4, Funny

      I hate to bust your bubble but I just got my A380 delivered yesterday. It's sweet.

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    6. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Why did it get its type certification from the FAA then? Here it is.

    7. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually the X-33 never flew, the project was cancelled when the prototype was 85% complete.

      The A380 is not vapourware - its in production, the delays are due to production problems and not technical issues with the concept itself. Infact, the A380 delays are the perfect example of incompatabilities in IT based projects - different parts were designed with different versions of the CATIA system, leading to problems with the wiring bundles that Airbus are sorting out now.

      Airlines also disagree with you - two airlines (Singapore and Qantas) placed followon orders to their originals this year, even before they had the first one delivered, so that says something about confidence in the aircraft.

    8. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

      Oh, yeah? That's nothing, I got an Airbus 440, which I ordered from Michael's Computers, and it can transport 700 passengers 13,000 miles, as compared to the paltry 555 people for 8000 miles.

      AND it comes with a 5-year warranty. Let's see Airbus or even Alienware beat that!

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    9. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Actually the X-33 never flew, the project was cancelled when the prototype was 85% complete.

      You're correct. I was confusing the hydrogen tank explosion as having happened during the scheduled 1999 test flight. Replace X-33 with the DC-X, however, and you have the same result.

      The A380 is not vapourware - its in production, the delays are due to production problems and not technical issues with the concept itself.

      Production delays are still delays. Until the first fully operational craft is delivered to a customer, it is still vaporware. I have no doubt that it will happen eventually, but that doesn't stop the vapor phase from occurring.
    10. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Airlines also disagree with you - two airlines (Singapore and Qantas) placed followon orders to their originals this year, even before they had the first one delivered, so that says something about confidence in the aircraft.

      I read on flightglobal.com that Singapore Airlines have actually placed a third additional order a couple of weeks ago after their flight training team visited Airbus headquarters and were convinced that "the design is very sound".

    11. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by fermion · · Score: 1
      Moving from a few prototypes to full scale production is the definition of vaporware. This is exactly what is happening with the A380. They have a plane, but they can't build it full scale to deliver.

      And the saga has been going on long enough to be compare with Duke Nukem, especially since no one seriously expected the next version. The A380 should have been delivered mid 2005. Now 8 months later they have apparently have a delivery of date of late 2007, with full production apparently delayed until 2009. This is not a production schedule that builds confidence, and certainly not a delivery schedule for a plane that already exists.

      Of course, as has been widely reported, the wiring problems were that they wires were simply cut too short, and not one wanted to fix it.

      The A380, even if they get a few dozen planes out, if going to be the vapor ware project that defined the first decade of this century. OTOH, when the 15th A380 is delivered, perhpas by the end of 2008, they will have shipped more A380s than Concordes.

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    12. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're correct. I was confusing the hydrogen tank explosion as having happened during the scheduled 1999 test flight. Replace X-33 with the DC-X, however, and you have the same result.

      Again, I wouldnt class the DC-X as vapourware either - it flew, it was a prototype and it was cancelled by NASA. McDonald Douglas made no extravagant claims about its operation or production, it was cancelled by NASA after the prototype crashed and it was deemed a replacement would put the project overbudget.

      Production delays are still delays. Until the first fully operational craft is delivered to a customer, it is still vaporware. I have no doubt that it will happen eventually, but that doesn't stop the vapor phase from occurring. And I still disagree with you - classing an aircraft that has received its type certification from the two most stringent aviation bodies in the world as vapourware is pushing the term somewhat.

      If you are going to classify the A380 as vapourware, then you automatically need to classify every single aircraft project announced as vapourware as well, because they all fit the wikipedia definition in one form or another. And this includes Boeings 787 and 747-8 series, Bombardiers Cseries stretches, and numerous others.

      Vapourware is another term that has lost its meaning on Slashdot.
    13. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by miffo.swe · · Score: 1

      "Until the first fully operational craft is delivered to a customer" Does this include software? If so, there is a whole industry of vaporware out there and Microsoft is teh king!!

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    14. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by kirun · · Score: 1

      I think you are mixing up "vapourware" and "vapour trail"

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    15. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just the same, I'm sure somebody somewhere is playing Duke Nukem Forever. Just because it's not released commercially, doesn't mean the developers aren't fragging each other silly.

    16. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have already built at least six that will be delivered but until now they have been used to get the necessary number of flight hours for type certification (which it has now). The facilities to produce four a month are already there but until certification there wasn't much point in manufacturing more in case some changes were needed.

    17. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Getting a few planes out the door does not a commercial product make. All planes have a small run for tests, and the the real production occurs. At this date, we only have a long term production schedule. No real proof of the ability to meet those schedules. Customers are losing so much confidence that they are demanding monetary incentives to not cancel the contracts.

    18. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Monetary compensation is always part of such contracts and is no surprise to Airbus or its customers. The launch customer, Singapore Airlines, who have thus had to wait longer than anyone does apparently still think it's very promising - they placed an additional order after the delays had been announced and when FedEx canceled theirs (being the only customer so far to do that) Singapore Airlines immediately placed one more order with the condition that they can have those delivery slots. And FedEx still maintains their options and are apparently keen to be on good terms with Airbus since they stated in their press release that the aircraft still was the one they wanted but they couldn't wait longer without an interim solution (which was to lease a number of 777-200s).

    19. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by Nethead · · Score: 1

      Airbus A380 tanking before liftoff
      Production of huge jetliner bogged down with delays and national rivalries
      By David Greising
      Chicago Tribune

      HAMBURG, Germany - In Airbus' sprawling Hamburg plant, one of modern industry's biggest meltdowns, lies a tale of two airplane-production hangars and two countries, Germany and France.

      Nearly 600 people should be hard at work in the key production hangar here, where Airbus planned to assemble the giant sections of the world's largest passenger airplane, the A380. Instead, the quiet is broken only by music playing softly on stereo speakers that an employee sneaked in. Only a few dozen employees tinker on eight airplane carcasses clogging a production line that cost some $15 billion to develop.

      The workers essentially are hand-building some of the company's first two dozen A380s.

      Airbus' super-jumbo jet program was launched before Chicago-based Boeing's big hit, the 787 Dreamliner. But the A380 now is two years behind schedule -- and the production delay will cost Airbus' parent company, European Aeronautic Defense and Space Co., $6.1 billion in operating profit over the next four years.

      In Hangar 42 nearby, it is a different scene. Dozens of aerospace engineers are in a mad dash to untangle the A380's myriad problems. They huddle in front of computer terminals set up on 15-foot-long folding tables so they can be in constant contact with workers in blue jumpsuits who are investigating a hobbled A380. The workers, confronted with bundles of wire that won't bend in the right places and cables that come up short, explain the problems to the engineers and urge them to design new ones. And quickly.

      The design engineers are bogged down by computers that can't talk to one another. One displays their work in three-dimensional images, the other is strictly 2-D. The breakdown fouls the effort to design and build parts and get the A380 back into full production.

      The A380 line won't run full speed until 2010, if all goes well. Biding their time until then, thousands of workers are idle or on part-time shifts. Yet others labor furiously, redesigning parts and installing them as they arrive, all in the rush to get the A380 on track.

      The production problems are especially tough to manage because the rest of Airbus' system is running full steam. The company will deliver a record number of smaller aircraft this year, 430, outdistancing archrival Boeing and topping 400 for the first time. In addition, the company last month announced it will launch a midsize aircraft, the A350, designed to compete with Boeing's hot-selling new 787.

      But no matter how well the rest of the business might run, though, Airbus can't declare success as long as the A380's problems remain unsolved.

      What's gone wrong

      An examination of what has gone wrong with the A380 is a much broader issue than parts that don't fit and computer systems that can't communicate with one another. Indeed, corporate and European politics are as much to blame for Airbus problems as the breakdown between computer-design systems in France and Germany.

      A bitter battle for control of European Aeronautic Defense and Space Co. last summer came to a head when the A380's emerging crisis should have demanded top management's attention.

      Cultural issues also are at play. Workers in France and Germany don't necessarily trust each other. French workers suspect the Germans covered up problems or ignored them in an effort to keep work for themselves.

      To move forward, the company has had to work out labor agreements in both countries, and a massive reshuffling at the top of Airbus also has occurred.

      At full production, Airbus hopes by 2010 to produce four of the massive A380s per month. But it will deliver only one next year and 13 in 2008. The reason: It will take years to redesign significant parts on the production process and move those planes clogging the line.

      Tom Williams, head of production at Airbus, ticks off the immensity of the prob

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    20. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by iocat · · Score: 1

      I was in Vancouver recently, and as we touched down, I was like "OMGWTF is that giant plane, it looks like an A380." And then the pilot was like "everyone look out the left window, it's an A380!!" and he sounded really excited. So, it's no more vaporware than the Tupolev TU-144 is/was. It's a real plane alright, just not yet one in mass production.

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    21. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's had delays, but that's not exactly rare in aerospace.

      "Vaporware" suggests that the product is simply "vapor", which isn't the case with the A380. It exists. It's a physical object. It even flies. If you've ever worked on an airplane before, you know they're in the home stretch.

      Compare the canonical example of vaporware, Duke Nukem Forever. They've never released its specs, or pictures, or video of it being played, or any of that. Just "we're working on it, still". That's vaporware.

      If you want aerospace vaporware, how about the Boeing Soni^H^H^H^H787? They haven't even built one yet.

    22. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by evilviper · · Score: 1
      the delays are due to production problems and not technical issues with the concept itself.

      Not at all. I wouldn't call significantly underestimating the weight a production problem...

      Over-promising (features, timeline, etc.) is a classic sign of vaporware.
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    23. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      The weight was 2% over, but the aircraft is meeting its performance guarantees to customers so the weight 'problem' is solved - the Boeing 787 is also 2% overweight at the moment.

      THe Boeing 747 was a year late, overweight for much of its development cycle, and had massive problems with the engines (resulting in over 30 aircraft sat at Boeing Field without engines). Would you have also called that aircraft 'vapourware'?

      Again, the term 'vapourware' seems to be massively overused on this site.

    24. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      > THe Boeing 747 was a year late, overweight for much of its development cycle,
      > and had massive problems with the engines (resulting in over 30 aircraft sat
      > at Boeing Field without engines). Would you have also called that aircraft
      > 'vapourware'?

      Yes. Until it was delivered to customers, it was vaporware.

      Just because a product is vaporware at some point in its development doesn't
      mean it can't go on to be a success, although the odds are generally stacked
      against it.

      Chris Mattern

    25. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by Gnavpot · · Score: 1
      It is already flying. Just because it is not in commercial use yet, doesn't make it vapor ware.

      I agree. My own personal criteria for using the "vaporware" term is:

      1. Product is officially announced by the company which are supposed to bring it to market.

      2. It is obvious to the public that the product will probably never ship to the market.

      The A380 fulfills #1 (as opposed to some of the other items on Wired's list), but certainly not #2. I think it is obvious that the A380 will ship to the market with some delay.

    26. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love it when America-bashers get their panties in a wad when someone slags Airbus

    27. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by ubergenius · · Score: 1

      The problem here, then, is how you define "vaporware", because I'm realizing we have startling different definitions.

      Personally, I define vaporware as something that is likely to never be completed, despite company protests to the contrary. DNF is vaporware, because I believe it will never be done even though the company claims it will be. The A380 is NOT vaporware, because it is very near completion, and will be released, as promised.

      Simply not releasing something on time does not make it vaporware, it just makes it delayed.

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    28. Re:A380 is not vaporware... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Compare the canonical example of vaporware, Duke Nukem Forever. They've never released its specs, or pictures, or video of it being played, or any of that. Just "we're working on it, still". That's vaporware.

      O RLY?

      Specs: First was Quake, then Quake II, then Unreal, now Unreal 2.0
      Images & Videos: http://pc.ign.com/objects/003/003880.html

      All quite official. Once upon a time, they even kept making promises about an approximate release date. But they keep ripping out the wiring and rebuilding it...
  5. iPhone by bndnchrs · · Score: 1

    Where is the iPhone here? That and the create-a-house. Or anything that gets put in the "Tech to come" section of Popular Science

    1. Re:iPhone by phoenixwade · · Score: 1

      Where is the iPhone here?That and the create-a-house. Or anything that gets put in the "Tech to come" section of Popular Science

      I get to be the first to say "RTFA"

      "The answer Resides within" if one would just read.......

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    2. Re:iPhone by Meatloaf+Surprise · · Score: 1

      The iPhone is just a rumor. Apple has not confirmed nor promised it.

    3. Re:iPhone by Meatloaf+Surprise · · Score: 1

      From the Article:

      We received stacks of votes for Apple Computer's iPhone, but that doesn't count since Apple has never actually promised the iPod/phone combo. Except to maybe the board of directors.

      Do I get a prize?

    4. Re:iPhone by silentounce · · Score: 1

      Yeah, see here for details.

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    5. Re:iPhone by Meatloaf+Surprise · · Score: 1

      An Acer laptop running Vista?!? Could you shoot me in the foot instead?

  6. Duke by tedgyz · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes, Duke Nukem Never is still there. It is eligible for a lifetime achievement award.

    Move along. Next article.

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    1. Re:Duke by Dunbal · · Score: 1, Informative

      Duke Nukem Never is still there. It is eligible for a lifetime achievement award.

            It already has ONE a lifetime achievement award!

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    2. Re:Duke by bndnchrs · · Score: 4, Funny

      Read the article. Lifetime achievement was three years ago. We are now awarding Picasso-esque posthumous medals of success. or something like that

    3. Re:Duke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's "WON", you illiterate turd.

    4. Re:Duke by Dunbal · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      That's "WON", you illiterate turd.

            One as in the NUMBER one, ie. the quantity of lifetime awards it has to date, jackass. Perhaps if you put away the crack pipe, your reading comprehension would improve.

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    5. Re:Duke by tedgyz · · Score: 1

      Actually, I did RTFA. I just didn't comprehend. :-)

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    6. Re:Duke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      One as in the NUMBER one, ie. the quantity of lifetime awards it has to date, jackass. Perhaps if you put away the crack pipe, your reading comprehension would improve.


      Perhaps you should have left the "a" out then.

      (puffs on a rock for a bit...)

      Well there are two ways to say this:

      "It already has ONE lifetime achievement award!" (without the "a")

      or

      "It already has won a lifetime achievement award!"

      I can't believe I just did that... (puffs on a fresh rock... puts "get a life" on the top of his list.)
    7. Re:Duke by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      I'm just happy I can read and write typo fluently.

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    8. Re:Duke by theGil · · Score: 0
      It already has ONE a lifetime achievement award!
      Additionally, I believe Wired News created the Vaporware Lifetime Achievement Award in 2003 for Duke Nukem Forever.
    9. Re:Duke by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 1

      Maybe he meant "a one lifetime achievement", implying that most of us will be dead & gone by the time it comes out?

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    10. Re:Duke by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I am betting they are waiting for PC that can render 1080p screen in POVRay full detail at at least 30 times a second that way when the system is released they will have a game that fully utilizes the system.

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    11. Re:Duke by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      I'm just happy I can read and write typo fluently. Shouldn't that read superfluently in this case? ;-)
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    12. Re:Duke by operagost · · Score: 1
      Maybe if you knew how to write, you would not have placed the indefinite article "a" before the word "one", which led to the confusion. Here's your post again (say it out loud):

      It already has ONE a lifetime achievement award!
      See the problem?
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    13. Re:Duke by manifoldronin · · Score: 1
      Read the article. Lifetime achievement was three years ago. We are now awarding Picasso-esque posthumous medals of success. or something like that
      No... in this context, that would have to wait until after it's released...
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    14. Re:Duke by AuMatar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Unless they run it on a PS3. Because nothing will ever fully utalize the resources of a PS3.

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    15. Re:Duke by peepleperson · · Score: 1

      Disappointing. Reading through, I thought that you were a double act, and that the GP had set it up for the parent. Why I oughta...

  7. Airbus A380 by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Vapour? Have you seen the size of the fucking thing? Anyway its been built, tested and approved for flight. Yes there are difficulties but they will possibly make it a white elephant, but certainly not vapourware.

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    1. Re:Airbus A380 by hey · · Score: 1

      If it every crashes there will be quite a lot of vapour.

    2. Re:Airbus A380 by Timesprout · · Score: 1

      Especially if it crashes into the Wired News offices. It could be a new type of vapour, ironic vapour.

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    3. Re:Airbus A380 by Jurrasic · · Score: 1

      The Airbus A380 just landed here at YVR (Vancouver International) a few days back, and I got to see the mofo. It's definately FAR too big to be 'vapor anything', it's as real as you can touch and see. Possibly not ride for 99.9% of people as of yet, but it's there and real.

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    4. Re:Airbus A380 by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Anyway its been built, tested and approved for flight.

      So was the Spruce Goose...
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  8. A380 by MECC · · Score: 1

    The A380 is flying. Far from a spruce goose.

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    1. Re:A380 by peragrin · · Score: 1

      the spruce goose flew though. It wasn't official because it hadn't been cleared for flight but it did fly.

      The A380 is just on perpetual back order.

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    2. Re:A380 by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Spruce Goose flew, also. (Well, kindof... it proved it could take off, at least.) But neither airliner was delivered to any customers, therefore, they are both vaporware.

  9. Vaporware? by El+Lobo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Hmmm... the word vaporware was used to describe a product that NEVER WILL be relleased and was just speculation... Those lists are describing products that often are late. Last year both Vista and IE7 made the list and guess what? They are out!

    So many of those products may be "lateware" but not vaporware. Hell, even Duke Nukem may be out some day AFAIK.

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    1. Re:Vaporware? by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hell, even Duke Nukem may be out some day AFAIK.

            Aww come on, now you're pushing it, man!

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    2. Re:Vaporware? by arth1 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Hmmm... the word vaporware was used to describe a product that NEVER WILL be relleased and was just speculation... Those lists are describing products that often are late. Last year both Vista and IE7 made the list and guess what? They are out!

      Due to the lack of clairvoyance in the media industry, it's hard to tell beforehand which products will never be released. So the working definition of vaporware is a product that was promised a certain time, but wasn't release. Many delayed products get canned, some get the name transferred to a new product, and some actually come out, delayed. Which one it will be, we won't know until it happens. In the mean time, we call the products "vaporware", because they failed to materialise as promised.
    3. Re:Vaporware? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, since my crystal sphere was in the laundry last year, I couldn't predict what would be finished before the year's over. So sorry.

      Seriously, products that are announced for years without any measurable progress to show that there is actually something being done to get them to gold status deserve the award. I'm not so sure about the A380, and maybe Vista didn't really qualify either. But there are hands-down examples that deserve that award, like DNF. It might ship, finally, one day, after the apocalypse or whenever, it's not ruled out that it just might show up one day. But so far I can't see any measurable progress, no information that there is actual development, not even new screenshots, so it does fit the definition of Vaporware pretty well.

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    4. Re:Vaporware? by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      If a product is branded as vaporware but eventually is released, it simply means that the product was incorrectly classified, no working definition is required, the correct one works just fine.

    5. Re:Vaporware? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      Battlecruiser 3000AD was the definitive piece of PC "vapourware" until Duke Nukem Forever came along. It was eventually kicked out the door by the publisher, against the programmer's wishes. Had the programmer had his way, it would probably have stayed in development in perpetuity.

      Thus in modern terms, it is considered "correct" to use vapourware for a product that has not been delivered according to promises. Especially if new promises are continually made and broken. i.e. "Battlecruiser 3000AD was vapourware for seven years!"

    6. Re:Vaporware? by NewWorldDan · · Score: 1

      I heard that the DNF team is waiting to use Chineese Democracy for the sound track.

    7. Re:Vaporware? by lucifig · · Score: 1

      So by your definition there is no such thing as vaporware, as you never know what will be released someday?

      I think vaporware means exactly what they imply. The fact that occasionally products break out of the vaporware cloud does not change its meaning.

    8. Re:Vaporware? by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      "Thus in modern terms, it is considered "correct" to use vapourware for a product that has not been delivered according to promises. Especially if new promises are continually made and broken. i.e. "Battlecruiser 3000AD was vapourware for seven years!""

      I think the motivation for this "modern" view is partially political. It has allowed Vista to be labled as vaporware even though there was really no doubt that MS was going to release it eventually.

    9. Re:Vaporware? by ricree · · Score: 1

      This definition has been in use before longhorn was even announced, and has included such products as Half-Life 2 and OSX. To say that using the term this way is political requires a blatant disregard for the reality of the situation.

    10. Re:Vaporware? by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      Wow, all the way back to 1998, that's definitive! Nevertheless, the old definition still applies. Those who claimed that Half-Life 2 and OSX were vaporware were simply wrong. Apply a term incorrectly doesn't change its definition.

  10. True Vaporware by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 1

    I think the developers of DNF have been using these maybe a little too much.

    TLF

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  11. I like ruining surprises by MasterC · · Score: 5, Informative
    I like ruining surprises (uh, ok, whatever Mr. Story Poster) and I hate multi-page stories. Wikipedia links provided for the fun of it

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    1. Re:I like ruining surprises by bigbigbison · · Score: 1
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  12. Duke Nukem vs. Windows Vista for MIA Award... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't believe that Duke Nukem Forever knocked Windows Vista for the MIA award. For five years we were promised all these wonderful technologies that would be part of Windows Vista and the only thing that's coming out next month is a Windows XP upgrade.

    1. Re:Duke Nukem vs. Windows Vista for MIA Award... by imbaczek · · Score: 1

      Tens of thousands of people use betas of Vista daily, so that doesn't count - same as gmail.

    2. Re:Duke Nukem vs. Windows Vista for MIA Award... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Technically, Vista is being released. It just won't be the product it was promised to be. So on a techincality, it is off the list.

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    3. Re:Duke Nukem vs. Windows Vista for MIA Award... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1
      and the only thing that's coming out next month is a Windows XP upgrade.
      You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
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    4. Re:Duke Nukem vs. Windows Vista for MIA Award... by BokLM · · Score: 1

      For five years we were promised all these wonderful technologies that would be part of Windows Vista and the only thing that's coming out next month is a Windows XP upgrade.

      Hmm, did you forget about the Palladium part ? They promised it, and we finally got it.

  13. Duke Nukem Forever by bndnchrs · · Score: 0, Redundant

    The next Duke Nukem game: "Duke Nukem Forever...and ever... and ever..." God I am witty

  14. Misread by Rob+Carr · · Score: 2, Funny
    I thought the one item on the list read Skype Sybian.

    I bet it would sell....

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    1. Re:Misread by Rellik66 · · Score: 1

      ah yes, that would be the phone sex killer app

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    2. Re:Misread by Clever7Devil · · Score: 1

      Talk about a booty call!

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    3. Re:Misread by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 1

      In usability testing, engineers developing the Skype Sybian found that female users always forgot what they were going to say and only about 10% of male users were interested in trying the product.

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    4. Re:Misread by proverbialcow · · Score: 1

      I'll see your Skype Sybian, and raise you:

      A Sybian controlled like Alek's Christmas lights. That would rule, until it gets Slashdotted and the porn stars start dying.

      Probably best for this one to be a hoax...

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  15. Windows Media Player for Linux? by acroyear · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm still waiting on that one... ...of course it doesn't really matter much since iTunes is in control of the audio-for-sale and video-for-sale market these days. DIVx-based AVIs are becoming the default for "free" video content, particularly from Europe.

    As I wrote before here, WMP for Linux was meant as a strategic move to scare content owners away from the open-sourcing of Real Networks' player and codecs, by promising WMP-based DRM for the Linux market. It seemed to work, but rather than go to WMP (which had technical issues as shown by early BootlegTV downloads from the DGM record label (King Crimson)), they held off until iTunes set the new DRM standard. M$'s been behind ever since.

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    1. Re:Windows Media Player for Linux? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      iTunes may be the largest player in the paid download media department, but that shouldn't stop others from making their offerings. Given that iTunes purchases don't directly play on most phones, PDAs and such, the market should be wide open. eMusic and Magnatune do offer legal sales of non-encrypted tracks.

    2. Re:Windows Media Player for Linux? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Divx is the old standard, we're migrating to H.264 now. Keep up!

    3. Re:Windows Media Player for Linux? by acroyear · · Score: 1

      When the Doctor Who episodes on bittorrent change, I'll get a new codec. For now, that's all I use it for - getting the doctor whos from Britain 'cause i'm not willing to wait for sci-fi to catch up.

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  16. DNF by Vengie · · Score: 1

    I'm actually thinking that DNF will win *despite* being released -- and two or three successive years. It's too embedded in the culture at this point. How else can you describe the archetype of vaporware? [The obvious justification is that the /real/ DNF, i.e. the one promised since 97, will not have shipped. Even if DNF wins, the spirit of DNF can live on.]

    I can see the meme already: "This is what DNF should have been" for new game demos....

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    1. Re:DNF by nuzak · · Score: 1

      It's worth repeating: in racing jargon, "DNF" stands for "Did Not Finish"

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  17. Evolution - NOT by CustomDesigned · · Score: 2, Interesting
    In Wright's Spore, which is being developed by Maxis, the player guides a species through the grand process of evolution -- from a single-cell organism to star-hopping superbeings. Everything the user creates will be compiled into a giant database and shared among all the game's online players.

    Evolution is defined as unguided. The above is a description of Intelligent Design, not evolution. The player is essentially the god of a universe built via Theistic Evolution, and every game play decision is a miracle. In a game based on true Evolution, you would just watch everything unfold randomly according to the game rules after perhaps tweaking some initial conditions (you are allowed some Initial Design of the rules / state at the Big Bang, since that doesn't involve any god/world interaction).

    1. Re:Evolution - NOT by silentounce · · Score: 1

      "In a game based on true Evolution, you would just watch everything unfold randomly according to the game rules after perhaps tweaking some initial conditions (you are allowed some Initial Design of the rules / state at the Big Bang, since that doesn't involve any god/world interaction)."

      And that is a game how? And it is "loosely" based on evolution, things you eat and how you behave determine some of the outcomes. Obviously it's more complex than that, but it is not just entirely designing. With your logic you could argue that Civilization isn't really a simulation of human history because it doesn't involve actual beings making decisions that result in a society unfolding.

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    2. Re:Evolution - NOT by Thansal · · Score: 1

      Now that owuld be an awsome mod for Spore.

      just have some way for the creatures to develope based on what problems they encountered. No it would not be "real" evoloution, but it would be awsome to watch.

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    3. Re:Evolution - NOT by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Sure, but who'd play that? Mix'n stir, then let it explode and wait a few billion years.

      I'd feel like playing WoW again...

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    4. Re:Evolution - NOT by OpenGLFan · · Score: 1

      But if you're acting as an omnipotent outside force, experimenting with improvements on the organisms you've built, then you're saying . . . you're the God of Evolution!

      There are Gods of War, Gods of Harvest, Thunder Gods, why not a God of Evolution? Try tossing that into an Intelligent Design argument. That oughta stir that argument up.

    5. Re:Evolution - NOT by kalirion · · Score: 1

      here ya go.

    6. Re:Evolution - NOT by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      Evolution is defined as unguided. The above is a description of Intelligent Design, not evolution.

      Geez. Don't be so dogmatic. ;-)

    7. Re:Evolution - NOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not evolution by natural selection. That does not mean it's not evolution. Phenotypes changing over time by the alteration of a gene code does happen.

      Evolution is a much overused term, because a lot of what people have an objection to is the idea natual selection or abiogensis.

      The game does indeed incorporate notions from intelligent design. There's no contradiction here. An evolutionary process can be intelligently driven, it can also be driven by natural mechanisms.

    8. Re:Evolution - NOT by SnotBob · · Score: 0

      In a game based on true Evolution, you would just watch everything unfold randomly...

      Or think of it as being a lot like waiting for the game to get developed.

    9. Re:Evolution - NOT by kalidasa · · Score: 1

      They called that version Sim Earth back in what, 1995?

    10. Re:Evolution - NOT by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Sure, but the graphics sucked. And as we all know from current games, you can sell a pile of manure if it's nicely animated.

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    11. Re:Evolution - NOT by rbarreira · · Score: 1
      things you eat and how you behave determine some of the outcomes

      That's if you believe in free will. People who don't would say that the things you choose to eat were in fact already determined from the beginning (being dependent on the initial conditions in the big bang).
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    12. Re:Evolution - NOT by silentounce · · Score: 1

      I was talking about an in-game concept in Spore.

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    13. Re:Evolution - NOT by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Evolution is defined as unguided.

      Horseshit. Evolution is simply the progress between successive states. If you're going to play amateur semantician, at least get the terms right. Weather evolves. Traffic evolves. Chess game states evolve. The thing you're trying to talk about is called "natural selection."

      [Natural Selection] is defined as unguided.

      Bologna. Natural selection is directional, going from less adapted states to more adapted states. Though as a stochastic system you do occasionally see "deselection" happen as a great rarity, on the whole we don't devolve. Bush is a statistical fluke. Natural selection is most certainly guided, and the guiding mechanisms are called pressures - typically we discuss environmental pressure, species competition pressure, selection pressure, and so on, but there are actually quite a few of them.

      Don't confuse "guided" to mean "led by the spaghetti monster." A Nunavut (like Eskimo but more Canadian) hunter is guided by the stars to go between their home and the coast, when the interlocated land is a giant featureless white tundra. Mariners were also guided by the stars on the ocean. I am typically guided by maps I get from the interwebs. Natural selection is guided by pressure adaptivity, and evolution is guided by the timeline and chaotic generators.

      These things you're talking about, they actually have specific definitions, and those definitions are really important to evolutionary biologists, mathematicians, and so on. I know, you're trying to make a point, and you're probably saying "but that's not what I meant." The problem is, what you said is actually quite the opposite of how these things are believed to work, and if you're gonna use the word "defined," you're going to get argued with by people who know what they're talking about.

      Look, if natural selection wasn't guided, it wouldn't work. Natural selection's ability to increase complexity is predicated on its being guided by adaptivity. That's what the whole thing is about in the first place. Natural selection is quite simply the emergent upshot of pressures acting on breeding in terms of guiding species characteristics.

      The above is a description of Intelligent Design, not evolution

      Oh get off of your soapbox already. It's a video game, not Jerry Falwell.

      The player is essentially the god of a universe built via Theistic Evolution, and every game play decision is a miracle.

      Actually, the game isn't that simple. You don't generate a planet's entire ecosphere; you're much closer to the black slab obelisk from 2010 than you are to JHVH. Your creations still have to duke it out with the other crap that's on the planet, some of it derived of your own work, and quite a bit of it from other players. JHVH isn't competing with other gods.

      That said, your point seems to be more about that the game is less about accurately predicting the upshots of evolutionary pressures wrought by a completely random physical situation, and more about that the player gets to have something to say about the game, and doesn't just sit there watching. You might as well argue that Madden 2003 is closer to body-swapping avatar fantasies than actual football. It is a legitimate, honest and accurate point. It's also enormously stupid.

      You seem to have missed the primary difference between games and TV, and you seem to want TV. People don't watch games. We go in expecting to have something to do with it. Exactly what do you think people expect when they hear they get to play with evolution? Do you think that it's a god game has surprised anyone but you? Did you miss that Will Wright frequently says that all of his games are God Games? Did you know that "God Games" are a genre of games?

      Is your next big insight going to be that Gran Turismo involves cars?

      and every game play decision is a miracle.

      If by miracle you mean

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  18. Palm OS? by jj00 · · Score: 1

    When is the next version of the Palm OS coming out?

  19. Runner up.. by andersa · · Score: 1

    KDE4 missed the list, but I am betting on it for next years list.

    1. Re:Runner up.. by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      KDE4 isn't really vaporware. It's "not ready yet" but you can get the developer snapshots right now.

      You can build and run KDE4 today, if you want to.

      LK

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    2. Re:Runner up.. by Orange+Crush · · Score: 1
      KDE4 missed the list, but I am betting on it for next years list.

      They slipped a little on the technical preview, but work is progressing. There's a lot on the plate to get to KDE4--mainly under the hood to port everything over to QT4. However, I understand this will open the door for more cross-platform KDE apps (KOffice, Konqueror, etc. running natively in Windows & OSX). They're aiming for a mid-2007 release, but there's still a ways to go and I wouldn't be surprised if it slipped to late '07/early '08. It's a bit trickier to pin an open source project as vaporware--the code's available and either it's being worked on or it isn't. KDE most certainly is.

    3. Re:Runner up.. by kirun · · Score: 1

      KDE4 was not promised for this year, so it didn't just miss the list, it was never a candidate. Current developer estimates are for the second half of next year. A small amount of slippage could make it theoretically "vapourware", but I'd be surprised if by that point it wasn't at least in the status of "a beta you can use", even if some of the apps hadn't yet taken advantage of some of the new stuff.

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    4. Re:Runner up.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DN4 isn't promised for any year and it made the list.

    5. Re:Runner up.. by strider44 · · Score: 1

      Add to this that the frameworks (the majority of the work) are getting towards being completed. I've been following KDE4's development and I can't really understand why so many people think that it's stalled. Mostly their argument involves KDE 4's technical preview being ugly or unusable. Obviously they've never done any software development - the interface is the last thing to come into fruition - like the top of an iceberg, how is the interface going to work if the code under it hasn't been written?

  20. some one has to say it by phrostie · · Score: 1

    a secure version of Windows

  21. By that definition by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    Most of the list isn't vaporware. For example SEDs really exist, people have seen them in operation (and are impressed with what they see). However that doesn't change the fact that from a consumer standpoint, they are vaporware. They were promised, they haven't been delivered. I can't go out and buy one.

    Likewise I'm sure that DNF exists in some form, I'm sure that they haven't just been doing nothing all this time. However it's not out, and thus is vapour.

  22. Please stop... by thedarb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Please stop posting Wired stories. We all already read Wired on a daily basis, just like we read Slashdot. Why post it here days after we've already read it? Just please stop doing it already.

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    1. Re:Please stop... by KingNaught · · Score: 1
      "Please stop posting Wired stories. We all already read Wired on a daily basis, just like we read Slashdot. Why post it here days after we've already read it? Just please stop doing it already."

      First people complain about the Ford story becuase it isn't tech nerd related and doesn't belong on slashdot, now people complain about tech stories becuase were all nerds here and have already read every tech news article before they apear on slashdot. So what would you have people post?

    2. Re:Please stop... by KermodeBear · · Score: 1

      I don't read Wired every day. I only go there if a /. article links to an interesting (to me) story or they happen to show up in a Google search result. So there.

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    3. Re:Please stop... by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

      Erm, I never visit Wired directly, only when someone posts a link that looks potentially interesting.

    4. Re:Please stop... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't read Wired, you insensitive clod.

    5. Re:Please stop... by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      We all already read Wired on a daily basis

      Pfft. You might. I don't even have it turned on as a slashbox.

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  23. Infinium Labs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No vaporware list is complete without an entry for a least one Infinium Labs product, be it the Phantom console or the Lapboard.
    The most amazing thing is that people keep pouring money in this bottomless pit of a company.

    1. Re:Infinium Labs? by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Actually, I used the lapboard at E3 in 2005. It was a fairly convenient device. Not worth their apparent asking price, but if they were fifty bucks, and could actually be purchased, I might grab one. Kinda sucks about the Phantom - they had a fairly neat UI going, proper backend rights management, the device was pretty polished. Of course, all the games they had at E3 were trash, but hey, it was very pretty trash.

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  24. Any 3D Realms people also Slashdotters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really, I'm just curious. I'm not going to make fun of you or anything.

  25. Vapored by fm6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes there's a prototype for the A380. There's also a demo for Spore. But until Airbus figures out how to insert those 300 miles of wiring, the prototype is meaningless. Without any wiring, a jetliner is just a ... I want to say "big doorstop" but somehow that's not right.

    You do sort of have a point. "Vaporware" originally described products that never got beyond the Breathless Announcement, and were usually created solely to stifle interest in competing products. Only one or two products on the Wired list fit that description. We really need a separate term for products that are really, honestly under development, but are way behind schedule. Deathmarchware?

    I'm profoundly unsurprised that Spore is in trouble. IMHO, Will Wright is grossly overrated as a game designer. All his games pretend to be simulations, but the "realities" they pretend to implement are absurdly simplistic. (Why is every Sim a bisexual OJ?) People do enjoy playing them, but only because they enjoy fantasizing about their imaginary worlds. The game pretends to bring simulation to the fantasy, but really just provide fancy graphics. Judging from the videos I've seen, Spore isn't any different. And for a game that pretends to model the evolution of wholes species, that just isn't enough.

    1. Re:Vapored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are more than five A380s that aren't prototypes in the sense that they won't be delivered to customers since they will but until now they have been used to get the necessary number of test flight hours logged before it can receive its type certificate, which it did the other day - it's here.

    2. Re:Vapored by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Yes there's a prototype for the A380.

      Theres one prototype and 6 production airframes that have flown to date, and another 5 airframes that are awaiting spare capacity at the Hamburg cabin assembly line so that they can fly there.

      It may be a screwed up project, but its far from vapourware.
    3. Re:Vapored by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Yes there's a prototype for the A380. There's also a demo for Spore. But until Airbus figures out how to insert those 300 miles of wiring, the prototype is meaningless. Without any wiring, a jetliner is just a ... I want to say "big doorstop" but somehow that's not right.

      So why do the A380s that are flying manage without all that cable?
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    4. Re:Vapored by nuzak · · Score: 1

      > Without any wiring, a jetliner is just a ... I want to say "big doorstop" but somehow that's not right.

      That is one hell of a door.

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    5. Re:Vapored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes there's a prototype for the A380. There's also a demo for Spore. But until Airbus figures out how to insert those 300 miles of wiring, the prototype is meaningless. Without any wiring, a jetliner is just a ... I want to say "big doorstop" but somehow that's not right.

      So why do the A380s that are flying manage without all that cable?


      So many answers...

      WiMax.
      Hot air.
      One happy thought.

    6. Re:Vapored by piquadratCH · · Score: 1
      So why do the A380s that are flying manage without all that cable?

      Prototypes can do without on-board entertainment systems while production machines cannot. Imagine flying to Singapore without Julia Roberts! The horrors!!

    7. Re:Vapored by k_187 · · Score: 1

      And I'm sure there are builds of Duke Nukem Forever floating about somewhere. Its vapor until its ships to customers.

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  26. Or how about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A heterosexual version of you.

  27. I am starting to wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Did Nascar get their DNF acronym (did not finish) from Duke Nukem Forever

  28. My vaporware pick: KDE Plasma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After talking about how great it will be for the last three years or so, Mr Seigo and Co. should show something off soon, and it better be good... and no, I'm not talking about backendstuff (Solid, Phonon, ...), I'm talking about the friggin' UI.

  29. Skype on Symbian by Dr.+Cody · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else read that as Sybian?

    Skype + Sybian = Teledildonics?

  30. Cartman found it... by Sfing_ter · · Score: 1

    When Cartman went to the future to get his Wii, he played DNF on the current console systems they were using, really just ask Matt and Trey... :)
    C'monnnn, C'monnnnn...

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    1. Re:Cartman found it... by harris+s+newman · · Score: 1

      NOT TRUE. I watched that episode last night, and he didn't ever get his Wii. Mod parent down.

  31. It's a cointoss by Bandman · · Score: 1

    At this point, it'll either be shit, or it will be sentient.

  32. Not a single product... by WED+Fan · · Score: 1

    Not a single product on the list that I was interested in, anyway. Maybe thats why it takes so long, or why they never show up. Interest has waned, or the need is filled by someone who can deliver.

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  33. DirecTV TiVO by WED+Fan · · Score: 1

    Why not the full featured DirecTV TiVO that was promised to us back in 2005 for delivery in SPRING 06?

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  34. SED made it, but not OLED by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    SED made the list, but not my favorite, "I ain't buyin a TV until it's" OLED

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    1. Re:SED made it, but not OLED by EricTheO · · Score: 1

      OLED is far wosre than LCD or Plasma. It makes pretty images for a short lifespan and the colors degrade unevenly. p.s.- I wonder how many people know that their High End DLP HDTV use a color wheel? What's the MTBF and DB of that wheel motor?

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    2. Re:SED made it, but not OLED by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Well, given that OLED is actually deployed in a variety of small-scale commercial devices, it's not really vapourware, is it? Is it TV-grade? No. But the technology exists and is deployed, so I really don't think it qualifies.

  35. I've been waiting for Sundog II since 1985! by doobie · · Score: 1

    21 years. That should beat the wait time for Duke Nukem Forever!

  36. Wrong Aircraft by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Airbus is on the list but not the flying car? Moller's Skycar has been 2 years away from completed testing for the past 10+ years and has been in development for somewhere around 40 years. If any aircraft deserves to be on the list, it's that one.

    1. Re:Wrong Aircraft by evilviper · · Score: 1
      The Airbus is on the list but not the flying car? Moller's Skycar has been 2 years away from completed testing for the past 10+ years

      The guy wearing the tin-foil hat, down the street from me, has been working on his intergalactic space ship for longer than that...

      The difference? Airbus is both a reputable company, and has been taking orders for quite a while...
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  37. Missle defense should have made the list by banerjek · · Score: 1

    Many, many billions were thrown at this when Reagan was still in the White House (this was affectionately referred to as "Star Wars" in the press since security was going to be provided by a bunch of satellites that could shoot down incoming missiles).

    Over the years, the focus has moved from a space based platform to land based, and they still pour billions into the project. It still not ready to deter an attack, even one consisting of a single missile.

  38. Silly argument by Valdrax · · Score: 1

    Evolution is defined as unguided. The above is a description of Intelligent Design, not evolution. The player is essentially the god of a universe built via Theistic Evolution...

    Why are you using the term "theistic evolution" after having redefined evolution to be exclusive of theistic influence? Your argument has just been made to fall flat on its face by your own use of the adjective "theistic" to describe a form of "evolution" in what would be an oxymoron under your terms.

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with describing Spore as a game about evolution once you accept that evolution guided by an intelligent force is still a form of evolution, as you just have by the use of that term.

    (Also, most supporters of the theory called "Intelligent Design" and packaged to schools as an alternative to the teaching of evolution reject the possibility of theistic evolution as well as that of nontheistic evolution, even though theistic evolution would be a perfectly valid form of intelligent design as the term would seem to be defined at face value.)

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  39. Tivo Should Earn Special Award... by ewanrg · · Score: 1

    Personally, I think Tivo should be given a special award. Not only have they not produced TivoToGo for the Mac, but a volunteer group has actually produced their own version of the software (TiVo Decode) while waiting for the official Tivo version.

    Worse, those new HiDef Tivos don't even support TivoToGo for Windows - so they've actually managed to go backwards in the past year.

    Me, bitter? Nah... :-)

  40. PC (political correctness?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    #8 Zune: "White Wire World"

    I swear that took a few seconds to process that it's a joke about the iPod vs. meaning something else...

  41. DNF should not be on the list by electricalen · · Score: 2, Funny
    They broke their own criteria by listing Duke Nukem Forever. From the beginning of the article:

    How about the final spec for 802.11n, the blazing-fast new Wi-Fi? While many hoped to see it finalized this year, the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers has been saying not to expect anything until January 2007. No false promises, no Vaporware Award.

    Then about Duke: The company still has a message on its website saying that the game will be released "when it's done."

    It doesn't sound like they're promising anything to me, so it shouldn't be on the list.

    1. Re:DNF should not be on the list by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      1) The awards are voted on by users.
      2) The Duke Nukem page didn't ALWAYS say "when it's done." They switched it to that after pushing back the release date about 4 times. It still counts.

  42. yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... and now, just yawn one more time!

  43. Meanwhile in Barcelona by rlp · · Score: 1

    The Sagrada Familia was started by Gaudi in 1880 and was finished in ... oh wait, they're still building it.

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    1. Re:Meanwhile in Barcelona by FreshnFurter · · Score: 1

      The Antwerp our lady Cathedral was started in 1300. The second tower was never built so they put a roof on it (1540). Hence a one towered Cathedral.

      BTW is Stonehenge finished, Easter Island has some unfinished heads lying around. DOES ANYBODY FINISH ANYTHING!!

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  44. Award Plaque by WizADSL · · Score: 1

    I wonder if the "winners" get a nice award plaque sent to them? Or maybe they're just told it's on its way...

  45. Vaporware -- the stuff that dreams are made of! by doc_buzzard · · Score: 1
    I would have added Graphsim, but it looks like that company delivered a new F/A-18 Desert Storm fighter jet game along with one based on the F-16 Falcon. I think they are both based on the X-Plane flight sim. If so, that would be disappointing.

    http://www.graphsim.com/ - still put-putting along...

    1. Re:Vaporware -- the stuff that dreams are made of! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      um, no one gives a rip about whatever you're talking about. i imagine that's why it's not on the list. just a guess.

  46. Oh, man... by Rustmouth+Chafings · · Score: 1

    What if it is sentient shit ?

  47. Perl 6? by kingkongrevenge · · Score: 1

    Where's Perl 6?

  48. Re:Missle defense is real! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Oh yeah? It doesn't work, huh? Why would Bush thank Rumsfeld for the success of a working missle defense shield in Rumsfeld's farewell ceremony? Why say that if it isn't true? His exact quote is "...took ballistic missile defense from theory to reality". How can it be vapor ware if it is a reality now? Why do you hate America? Are you trying to embolden our enemies? Because this missle defense shield scares the crap out of our enemies, and telling them it doesn't exist is dangerous and irresponsible.

    http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:uDkHgVZTU8sJ:w ww.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/12/20061218-7 .html+transcript+rumsfeld+ceremony+bush+%22missile +defense%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefo x-a/

  49. Qualified Terms by CustomDesigned · · Score: 1
    Why are you using the term "theistic evolution" after having redefined evolution to be exclusive of theistic influence? Your argument has just been made to fall flat on its face by your own use of the adjective "theistic" to describe a form of "evolution" in what would be an oxymoron under your terms.

    Because terms are qualified to create new terms - often opposed in meaning to the original word. The unqualified word "evolution" usually refers to a mix of natural selection and macro evolution - with perhaps some origin of life thrown in. But throughout secular textbooks, the unqualified term is carefully explained to mean "without design or guidance".

    There are at least three qualified variations on "evolution":

    1. micro evolution - Natural Selection, which selects or mixes optimal traits from preexisting genetic material.
    2. macro evolution - creation of new genetic material by an unguided process of random mutations and Natural Selection.
    3. theistic or guided evolution - creation of new genetic material by a carefully designed process of random mutations and Natural Selection. This is what is used in "genetic algorithms" or "evolutionary algorithms", for instance. Some genetic algorithms are pure Natural Selection (all traits are designed beforehand).
    "Macro evolution" is the only kind subject to any controversy, since it has not been directly observed.

    (Also, most supporters of the theory called "Intelligent Design" and packaged to schools as an alternative to the teaching of evolution reject the possibility of theistic evolution as well as that of nontheistic evolution, even though theistic evolution would be a perfectly valid form of intelligent design as the term would seem to be defined at face value.)

    You are absolutely correct. Guided evolution is perfectly compatible with Intelligent Design theory. Theists object to theistic evolution on (somewhat shaky) moral grounds - a god that creates via a process as apparently harsh and cruel as evolution seems somehow abhorrent (although you could say it is "worth it all in the end"). Also, secularist object to theistic evolution on "materialist" grounds - "The Universe is All There Is". But, again, I agree, it is a Really Bad Move for Intelligent Design supporters to reject the possibility of guided evolution. Note that this is not across the board. Michael Behe, for instance, in "Darwin's Black Box" suggests a "big bang of life" (all genetic material designed and put mostly dormant in a single super cell) followed by Natural Selection (species evolve by activating, deactivating, and discarding material).

    Note that the Catholic / Protestant split essentially began over the unqualified use of the word "faith". Did "Sola Fide" mean "Sola Fide Informis" (as the Catholic Hierachy thought), or "Sola Fide Formata" (as Luther apparently intended). There are way too many conflicts rooted in ambiguities of language combined with a lack of charity.

    1. Re:Qualified Terms by Valdrax · · Score: 1
      Because terms are qualified to create new terms - often opposed in meaning to the original word. The unqualified word "evolution" usually refers to a mix of natural selection and macro evolution - with perhaps some origin of life thrown in.

      Usually, but not always. That's why Spore's use of the term is still correct.

      Theists object to theistic evolution on (somewhat shaky) moral grounds - a god that creates via a process as apparently harsh and cruel as evolution seems somehow abhorrent (although you could say it is "worth it all in the end")

      Actually, most theists (at least Christian non-believers in evolution) object to theistic evolution on two grounds:
      1. It contradicts the story of creation in Genesis.
      2. If you accept that theistic evolution was a possible origin of man, then there's no room to prove that said evolution was theistic and not the result of natural processes not driven by God.
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    2. Re:Qualified Terms by CustomDesigned · · Score: 1
      Actually, most theists (at least Christian non-believers in evolution) object to theistic evolution on two grounds:
      1. It contradicts the story of creation in Genesis.

      Given widely differing interpretations of the creation story for more than 1000 years prior to Darwin, (e.g. St Augustine held to an allegorical interpretation), I think you mean certain theists object to evolution because it contradicts their own pet interpretation - likely a highly literal one. Sometimes people forget that a forced literal interpretation is just as bad as "spiritualizing" everything - as anyone with a kid with "literal disease" can testify.

  50. Airbus A380... by 7Prime · · Score: 0

    Who didn't see this one coming? A plane that is only a viable solution for no more than a handfull of routes worldwide, and based on the now long-dead "Mega-Hub" system (which has since given way to the "micro-hub" system). Now couple that with the fact that it requires a specialized jetway to accomidate for the double-decker seating arrangement. Finally, add to that that the last real-life emergency exit test couldn't break 45 minutes for getting everyone out of the plane... the FAA requires 5 minutes; even the 747-400 can pull that off.

    Here's the funniest part. Boeing decided to play it safe for a while, and then later announced a redesign of the 747, stretching the double-decker section to about half to 2/3rds the way down the plane, surpassing the capacity of the A380 with an already tried-and-true airframe design. Since then (something like 8 months ago), I've heard that many of the A380 orders have been canceled and shifted to Boeing's design. In the mean-time, Boeing creates one of the most revolutionary mid-large sized jets (the Dreamliner), which is proving to be a huge success (order-wise).

    Airbus, your days are numbered, you've screwed up BIG TIME, and I mean "PlayStation 3" BIG TIME.

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    1. Re:Airbus A380... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I take it you're a jealous Boeing fan. I encounter many of you on airdisaster.com every day but most have arguments that actually have some factual basis (I'm considered pretty neutral there since I'm neither European or American).

      Who didn't see this one coming? A plane that is only a viable solution for no more than a handfull of routes worldwide, and based on the now long-dead "Mega-Hub" system (which has since given way to the "micro-hub" system).

      Nobody knows for sure what the future of airtravel will be like but both Airbus and Boeing employ the best people possible to analyze the market since their salaries are nothing compared to the costs of developing new aircraft - I think we can safely say that their analyses are much better than yours and boeing have now also drawn the conclusion that there is demand for a larger aircraft than the 747 and have indeed decided to build a larger variant. So far they have only been able to sell the cargo version of it, though (quite understandable since the 747 has certain benefits over the A380 as a cargo plane but it remains to be seen if any airline will want a passenger version when the A380 is available).

      Now couple that with the fact that it requires a specialized jetway to accomidate for the double-decker seating arrangement.

      It doesn't require it - it only makes loading and unloading faster but that won't be relevant until a few years from now when there are more of it in existence.

      Finally, add to that that the last real-life emergency exit test couldn't break 45 minutes for getting everyone out of the plane... the FAA requires 5 minutes; even the 747-400 can pull that off.

      You got all the facts wrong. The FAA requires that both passengers and crew can be evacuated within 90 seconds with half the emergency exits blocked. The A380 passed with flying colors evacuating 853 passengers and 20 crew in 78 seconds (and remarkably few injuries compared to other such trials).

      Here's the funniest part. Boeing decided to play it safe for a while, and then later announced a redesign of the 747, stretching the double-decker section to about half to 2/3rds the way down the plane, surpassing the capacity of the A380 with an already tried-and-true airframe design.

      As I already noted, Boeing did indeed have to concede that there was a market for such a large airliner but the maximum pax capacity of the new Boeing is 467 vs. the A380's 853. They were certainly not playing it safe, though - it was announced without having a single launch customer because they had to have something for airlines to consider in addition to the A380.

      Since then (something like 8 months ago), I've heard that many of the A380 orders have been canceled and shifted to Boeing's design. In the mean-time, Boeing creates one of the most revolutionary mid-large sized jets (the Dreamliner), which is proving to be a huge success (order-wise).

      FedEx are the only customer to have canceled their order (but maintained their options). Quantas has placed an additional order and Singapore Airlines have placed two additional orders (after the delays had been announced and they are the launch customer and have waited for longer than anyone).

      Airbus, your days are numbered, you've screwed up BIG TIME, and I mean "PlayStation 3" BIG TIME.

      Admittedly, the A380 will take much longer to reach break-even but Airbus has been selling more aircraft than Boeing during the last three years and all other models have been more profitable than ever in the history of the company (Boeing still has more of the widebody market, which has higher profit margins per aircraft, though). So despite a number of managerial fuck-ups, Airbus' future looks good.

  51. Wired FUD against SED by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1
    Wired says this about SED
    Then, in October, Toshiba said we'd have to wait until July 2007.
    An easy Google search 'toshiba sed release' gives press releases from last February and March pushing the release date back to Q4'07. There's nothing in the October press releases about SED.

    But that doesn't make as interesting a story, I guess. You'd think this was a simple mistake except it's so easy to fact-check.

    What's happening in July 2007 is they're supposed to start mass production of the tubes. But you won't be able to buy one until next Christmas. You can probably see some on display at the Peking Olympics. That is unless a lawsuit against Canon stops the production lines.

    Anyway, for those new to SED, it's an array of pixels, each with its own "CRT" in it - an inkjet-printed emitter striking a phosphor. Contrast ratios are expected to start at 5X the best LCD sets and go up from there.
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  52. Skype for Symbian ... exists by clonmult · · Score: 1

    Its not vaporware.

    It currently being SHIPPED (ie actually available) with the Nokia N80 on the UKs 3 network. Its part of a package called "X-Series" that includes

    - Skype
    - Mobilcast
    - SlingPlayerMobile
    - Yahoo GO!
    - 3MobileMail

    So, it'd be real nice if those guys at Wired could actually check their facts before they spout a load o' rubbish. If I remember right, 3 are also including a data plan that allows voip (most other UK carriers that have "unlimited" data plans specifically exclude voip).

    Of course, you guys in the US will have the handsets locked down tighter than a tight thing at a tight things convention ...

    1. Re:Skype for Symbian ... exists by mark2003 · · Score: 1

      I have it on my Nokia N73. The software is supplied by an Isreali company called iSkoot, a real pain to get up and running (on the nwteork) but it is now live and working well. There is an interesting video cast of the CEO if Skype talking about the mobile future - can be found through the Three site.

      Of course it is still vapour ware if it is not available in the good ol' US of A.

    2. Re:Skype for Symbian ... exists by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Of course, you guys in the US will have the handsets locked down tighter than a tight thing at a tight things convention ...

      And yet the British think Americans have a poor use of the language. Here's some charity from the colonies: if you want to talk about how tight something is, describe it as the logical inverse of Paris Hilton, or whoever the public whore is on the other side of the pond.

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  53. A380 built in France? by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1
    The French-built "superjumbo" Airbus A380 is the largest passenger jet in the world.


    Well, technically it's assembled there but one of the issues with building the thing is that the building work has to be shared between various countries to keep governments happy.

    It would be like US government deciding to build a new office building and allowing each state to build a floor to be shipped and assembled in DC.

    It is entertaining though to see a wing being driven through a small town. Probably not the most efficient approach though.
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  54. Team Fortress 2 by ntshma · · Score: 0

    How long have we been waiting for this?

  55. optimus prime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still hoping for the Optimus-103 Keyboard!

  56. Europe is small. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    It would be interesting to know how a Jumbo jet is built, most likely it is not done in one US state only.

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