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10th Annual Wacky Warning Labels Out

autophile writes "It's official: M-Law's 10th Annual Wacky Warning Label Contest is over. First prize has gone to a washing machine label urging not to put people in washers. Started to promote awareness of excessive litigation, the contest highlights common sense warning labels, such as the one that warns not to dry cellphones in microwave ovens. Companies find it necessary to stick crazy warnings on their products because of previous insane lawsuits: 'A front loader (washing machine) is just at the right height — speaking now as a mother and not a corporate spokeswoman — for a four-year-old,' said Patti Andresen Shew of Alliance Laundry Systems. Personally, I think a four-year-old precocious enough to read and understand all the warning labels hidden all over a product probably doesn't need those labels."

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  1. Well she has a point... by packeteer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The labels are pretty rediculous but they are for the parents not the kids. Nobody thinks a 4 year old is going to read the labels and to make it sounds like thats what the company thinks is going to happen is silly. You don't need to be deceptive to make your point that the label to not put people in the washer is silly.

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    1. Re:Well she has a point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The labels are pretty rediculous

      WARNING: Execessive use of Slashdot may impair your spelling skills.
    2. Re:Well she has a point... by CommunistHamster · · Score: 1

      I stopped reading after the word "wacky"

    3. Re:Well she has a point... by thewils · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The labels are pretty rediculous but they are for the parents


      Well, actually the labels are there for the manufacturers. They don't give a crap what you do with their product, if there's a warning label then your chances of successfully suing them are minimal.
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    4. Re:Well she has a point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any parent that needs a label to know you shouldn't put a person in a washing machine doesn't deserve to reproduce.

    5. Re:Well she has a point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh my God, will you people learn how to fucking spell "ridiculous"?

    6. Re:Well she has a point... by IdleTime · · Score: 5, Insightful

      These warning labels are a social curiosity found in USA.

      When I first moved here I was totally cracking up at all the stupid warnings you have on everything. Why are they there? Because of a horrible justice system and not because you want to warn people about the obvious but to avoid paying millions and millions to idiots.

      Your justice system is long overdue for a total overhaul, it is horrific at best.

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    7. Re:Well she has a point... by 21st+Century+Peon · · Score: 1

      SP: Excessive.
      (Oh, sweet irony!)

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    8. Re:Well she has a point... by duguk · · Score: 1

      I'm going to regret posting this to slashdot as its hosted at home so i'm posting it through the corel cdn, but i noticed this on a Pineapple:

      Suitable for vegetarians

      Is this seriously necessary!?

      DugUK

    9. Re:Well she has a point... by legirons · · Score: 2, Funny

      but i noticed this on a Pineapple: "Suitable for vegetarians"

      In Tesco supermarkets in the UK, the red peppers have a label "as seen on TV"

    10. Re:Well she has a point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DAMMIT! I forgot the link! Now I look as stupid as the GP for misspelling.

      Suitable for vegetarians

      DugUK

    11. Re:Well she has a point... by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      The labels are pretty rediculous but they are for the parents not the kids.

      Because if they hadn't read the label, a mother might have thrown her baby into the washing machine with the nappies?

    12. Re:Well she has a point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Today, the American Asperger's Awareness Front (not to be confused with the American Front for Asperger's Awareness) issued its annual Hyperliteralism Amongst the Humor Challenged award for: You don't need to be deceptive to make your point that the label to not put people in the washer is silly.

    13. Re:Well she has a point... by wcb4 · · Score: 1

      Had you not pointed it out, we would have thought it was a joke.

      Sometimes it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

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    14. Re:Well she has a point... by kfg · · Score: 1

      You don't need to be deceptive to make your point that the label to not put people in the washer is silly.

      'Cause every four year old with enough brain to survive in the wild knows you go for rides in the dryer, not the washer.

      KFG

    15. Re:Well she has a point... by Original+Replica · · Score: 1

      But my GF is a vegetarian, and is allergic to pineapples. ...PROFIT!

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    16. Re:Well she has a point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Oh my God, will you people learn how to fucking spell "ridiculous"?

      Do what Adam Carolla does, and say "ricockulous" instead!

    17. Re:Well she has a point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My justice system? Assuming you still live here, since you said "when I first moved here", wouldn't it be your justice system as well?

    18. Re:Well she has a point... by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 1

      No, it's to satisfy current the quasi-precedent in product liability the lawyers have been able to secure from mouth-breathing juries. It's only "enough" to head off a lawsuit until a lawyer can convince the *next* jury that it isn't enough. Remember, the infamous McDonald's coffee cup had a warning label! But the jury decided it wasn't prominent enough. So now you're open to being sued if someone fails to read a warning because that warning was buried under too many other warnings, as happened in a Vioxx case. But then, it's always possible to second-guess the order of the warnings. So really, there's no reliable way -- as in a banana republic -- to protect yourself from prosecution.

      (Did you know that juries only get on Oprah if they find for the plaintiff?)

      Oh, and to all of you who started caring about this issue only when Nintendo -- rather than a faceless greedy corporation -- got sued over Wiimotes: fuck you.

    19. Re:Well she has a point... by Anpheus · · Score: 1

      I don't want to shatter your already fragmented and illusory worldview, but no, not everyone who lives here is a US Citizen.

    20. Re:Well she has a point... by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      Remember, the infamous McDonald's coffee cup had a warning label!

      Yep. And now the label's bigger, and prominent enough. Of course, the label SHOULD say "this coffee is 40 degrees hotter than what you get at home" or "This liquid is hot enough to cause severe burns".

      (I browsed your "infamous" link, and I must say -- a lot of crap. If nothing else, Starbucks gets its big bucks because it has a far better coffee array than McDonald's did fifteen years ago, and they sell their coffee hot because most of the time they add something significantly colder (like frothed milk) to the coffee.)

      (Did you know that juries only get on Oprah if they find for the plaintiff?)

      Did you know that cases only go to juries if there's a question of fact?

      Did you know that we have a perfectly good way to correct judicial cases we don't like, by having our legislatures amend the law accordingly?

      Did you ever ponder why, in the last six years of Republican Congressional Control, we haven't seen a proposed Constitutional Amendment reserving full and explicitly authority to the states to resolve Abortion law?

    21. Re:Well she has a point... by anticypher · · Score: 1

      In a similar vein, when Americans leave the comfort of their super-safe society, many are quite concerned at how dangerous the rest of the world seems.

      Tourists often ask why there aren't safety rails everywhere, why there aren't warning signs in English, why everything seems to be more dangerous than normal. It's quite a phenomenon with some of the sensitive ones, not having the false sense of security at every turn.

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    22. Re:Well she has a point... by andol221 · · Score: 1

      The solution is to award damages for what it's worth not depending on amount of money you can extort from a compny. It works in Sweden where the possibility to sue is almost the same, but damages are much lower. A burnt tongue is not worth $$$$ just because Mc Donald's can pay, its probably only wort $10, and with damages in that range no ambulance chaser will ever take the case.

    23. Re:Well she has a point... by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 1

      Yep. And now the label's bigger, and prominent enough.

      Great! So McDonald's is never sued anymore for not sufficiently warning consumers.

      Oh, wait...

      Of course, the label SHOULD say "this coffee is 40 degrees hotter than what you get at home"

      Except that for many people that would be a lie.

      (I browsed your "infamous" link, and I must say -- a lot of crap. If nothing else, Starbucks gets its big bucks because it has a far better coffee array than McDonald's did fifteen years ago, and they sell their coffee hot because most of the time they add something significantly colder (like frothed milk) to the coffee.)

      Some drinks, yes. But not all. None of that changes the fact that Starbucks and McDonald's get routinely sued over hot coffee and the cases are routinely dismissed.

      me:(Did you know that juries only get on Oprah if they find for the plaintiff?)

      you:Did you know that cases only go to juries if there's a question of fact?


      What does that have to do with my comment? Did you not get the point? (I'm guessing "yes".)

      Did you know that we have a perfectly good way to correct judicial cases we don't like, by having our legislatures amend the law accordingly?

      Yes, it's called "tort reform", and that's exactly what legislators, mainly Republican, have tried to do, and been roundly condemned by people like you. Think about it.

      "Bullshit lawsuits are fucking the economy."
      "Gosh, well, that's something for legislators to handle."
      "Congress should pass tort reform to control frivolous."
      "No! Torts are rightly adjudicated by the courts!"

      Did you ever ponder why, in the last six years of Republican Congressional Control, we haven't seen a proposed Constitutional Amendment reserving full and explicitly authority to the states to resolve Abortion law?

      I'm more interested in learning why you brought this up, or why you just lied. Republicans routinely attempt to ammend the constitution to allow restriction of abortion -- exactly what the amendment you just described would do -- and withdraw them when they find insufficient support.

    24. Re:Well she has a point... by Jester6641 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I totally agree. Recently I was on the highway with some Belorussians and they asked what I though was a very silly question.

      "What are the bumps on the side of the road for?"

      I told them they were there to warn drivers when they were wandering over the side of the road. We drove over some to show them how they worked. They were even more confused.

      "Why would you wander off of the road?"

      I had to explain that it could happen if you were tired, or maybe if you weren't paying attention or something like that. Then they got me.

      "You Americans are so worried about being safe. Why not just not drive tired and pay attention to driving?"

      Because that, my friends, would not be the American way.

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    25. Re:Well she has a point... by adrianmonk · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Well, actually the labels are there for the manufacturers. They don't give a crap what you do with their product, if there's a warning label then your chances of successfully suing them are minimal.

      Yes, I think that much is clear. The point that the contest is trying to make is that your chances of successfully suing them should already be minimal without the labels. They are trying to remind people of that by showing the existence of some really stupid warning labels, thus showing the absurdity and brokenness of a justice system that makes the labels necessary.

      On a side note, I happen to partially disagree with them that the existence of these warning labels proves our justice system is broken (at least in this particular way). It's all about the level of risk vs. the cost of eliminating the risk. If I owned a home in an area that was well above the nearest body of water (or creek, river, etc.) and thus had very low chances of flooding, and if a reputable insurance company offered me a legit flood insurance policy good for 50 years for a one-time premium of $1, I would probably buy that insurance. Any kind of flood damage is pretty unlikely, but I won't miss the $1, and if something did happen, I'd be covered.

      In the same way, if you're a lawyer for a manufacturer and there is any kind of warning label you could put on the product that describes a real event that could happen, even if it requires the user of the product to be dumb as dirt for it to happen, and even if it requires the judge and jury to act in a ridiculous manner for the lawsuit to succeed, the fact is, you don't know that those two things won't coincide and bite you in the butt. They probably won't, but given that it costs you very little to prevent it, and given that you could lose millions of dollars if it does happen (say, in a wrongful death lawsuit), why not do it?

      So, the fact is that warning labels are cheap insurance. It's almost always a good idea to opt for cheap insurance, where that means insurnce that actually costs significantly less than it "should" if the cost were based on doing the math. But cheap insurance can be made cheaper in two ways: either hold the cost as a constant and increase the risk being insured against, or hold the risk constant and reduce the cost. So how do we know that these stupid warning labels really indicate anything about the justice system and its tolerance of frivolous lawsuits? Isn't it also possible that all they indicate is that with modern manufacturing techniques, it's really, really cheap to put warning labels on things?

    26. Re:Well she has a point... by dbIII · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not necessarily. A shallow waterhole next to a walking track in an Australian National Park had the sign "no swimming" mainly to stop idiots diving in without checking the depth and breaking their necks. On idiot dove in, broke his neck, and successfully sued the government on the grounds that the sign did not say "no diving" and on the grounds the sign showed awareness of danger but the danger was inadequately managed.

    27. Re:Well she has a point... by dbIII · · Score: 1
      "You Americans are so worried about being safe. Why not just not drive tired and pay attention to driving?"

      This makes me think of an amusing Australian road sign - "TIRED DRIVERS DIE!" - but the best has to be the crocodile warning sign showing a swimmer and a crocodiles open jaws.

    28. Re:Well she has a point... by kent_eh · · Score: 1

      but the best has to be the crocodile warning sign showing a swimmer and a crocodiles open jaws.

      I was at a resort in Florida which had a large sign beside the lake which read:
      "Do not feed or play with the alligators"

      Seemed pretty obvious to me.

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    29. Re:Well she has a point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a warning label, but one added to a Chistmas card envelope my mother posted whilst visiting relatives in the US a few years ago to a friend in the US - she put her standard return address label on it...containing her UK address:

      Return to Sender
      Additional 12c Required for Nonmachinable Surcharge
      Items 1oz or less with any of the following cannot be processed on Postal Service sorting machines:
      a. Square letters.
      ...
      c. Length (dimension parallel to the address) divided by height is less than 1.3 or more than 2.5.
      ...
      f. Address is parallel to the shorter dimension.
      ...

      (It was "returned" to the UK address - the Christmas card made it transatlantic for less than the transatlantic cost, though how I was supposed to add the additional 12c required and remail it I don't know)

      Why are reasons 'a' and 'f' explicitly added when they are, by definition, included in reason 'c':

      For (a) square letters, length/height = 1 which is less than 1.3
      For (f) if address is parallel to shorter dimension length/height is less than 1, and so definitely less than 1.3

      Is it that Americans really are that stupid?

    30. Re:Well she has a point... by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Simple solution - print the warning labels under the cup, along with a label prominently on the side saying where the warnings are. This way, they have to empty the cup to read the labels. Didn't empty the cup first to read all the warnings before drinking? Too bad - negligence on your part.

      Simpler solution - don't serve crap coffee in crap paper cups. And don't use your lap as a coffee-cup holder, because it could end up as a coffee-sans-cup-holder.

    31. Re:Well she has a point... by tomhudson · · Score: 0, Troll

      i noticed this on a Pineapple:

      Suitable for vegetarians

      Is this seriously necessary!?

      Actually, its there so that hunters don't mistake them for live prey and unload their 30-30s on them. Hunters are dumb. They saw a sign that said that lettuce was "in season" and figured it was ok to shoot up the vegetable stand. During deer season, they shoot countless farm tractors just because they say "John Deere" on them. They shoot stop signs. Now there's a hard target to hit - a stopped stop sign! They have to wear funny orange vests so other hunters won't go "Gee, that guy might look pretty good strapped on the roof of my pickup." Dick ("blast yer face off") Cheney is a hunter. It was the other guy's fault for not wearing day-glo face paint!

    32. Re:Well she has a point... by jamesh · · Score: 1
      In recent years in Australia there has been a big push on improving farm safety. Lots of tv commercials showing stuff like a kid riding on the wheel arch of a tractor towing a plough, and then the next minute the parent turns around and they aren't there anymore...

      I've heard lots of people saying things like "we did that all the time back in our day, and we turned out okay". I just think to myself yeah, _you_ survived without incident, but stacks of people were sucked into machines, fell off ladders, got trapped under rolled tractors, suffocated in storage tanks etc. It's kind of like seatbelts... they are cheap to install, take no effort to use, and make a _huge_ difference for most low to mid speed accidents.

      In Australia a lot of the major roads have those noise bumps too, if you suddenly find your car has wandered onto them then it's probably a good idea to pull over to the side and slap yourself a few times or pour a bucket of cold water over your head, or just have a quick sleep.

      Why not just not drive tired and pay attention to driving?


      That has got to be one of the most ignorant things i've ever heard. I classify it as the sort of thing that the overweight lady stands up and says on a show like Jerry Springer, and gets a big round of applause, even though it doesn't make any sense. Of course you are paying attention to driving, but there is a point where sleep is going to happen, and the noise bumps are a cheap way of helping you figure out that you are about there. Tiredness can be one of those things that sneaks up on you.

      Reminds me of "During the space race, the Americans spent millions of dollars developing a pen that could function reliably in micro gravity conditions. The Russians used a pencil.". Stupid Americans you might think, but using a pencil produces leaves tiny dust fragments floating around. They are conductive (bad for anything electrical) and probably not so good to be breathing in all the time.
    33. Re:Well she has a point... by tubapro12 · · Score: 1

      Then how come we don't have any cases of blind or illiterate people suing because they couldn't read the warning in the first place?

    34. Re:Well she has a point... by EvilIdler · · Score: 1

      From the XBox 360 manual, volume 1 (still trying to find if there's a sequel - I didn't get one):
      "If the XBox 360 console falls and hits someone, especially a small child, it could cause serious injury."

      If that is something people could sue MS for if there was no warning, there really is no hope for their justice system.

    35. Re:Well she has a point... by LordSnooty · · Score: 1
      But my GF is a vegetarian, and is allergic to pineapples. ...PROFIT!
      But all that will result in is yet another warning label: "Pineapple: not suitable for people with pineapple allergy"

      The same thing on a packet of nuts has been seen in the UK... but nut allergy is a not that rare an occurence. Some scientists believe that the rise in nut allergies is due to overuse of cleaning products by parents, and children not being exposed to dirt and germs in their youth.
    36. Re:Well she has a point... by Dhalka226 · · Score: 1

      You Americans are so worried about being safe. Why not just not drive tired and pay attention to driving?"

      Because you don't always have that luxury. Tell your friend that there are many cases where you can be tired and be almost forced to drive anyway. What if you had trouble sleeping the night before? Or your baby kept crying and kept you awake? What if you were sick but had to get somewhere (say, to the doctor or to work)? You'll note that all of those examples are essentially out of the driver's control. Many more would be added if you permit cases where something the driver did before but could have avoided caused the fatigue--like partying all night (for the younger crowd) or anything along those lines.

      Some people will claim that missing a day of work and potentially getting fired if you don't show up is a small price to pay for not dying. They're not wrong, if you know you're going to die--but you don't. It's a calculated risk; say, 50% chance of getting fired versus, what, 1% chance of dying because you drove tired? Probably significantly less than that, in fact. Some fairly cheap rumble strips on the sides of the road to save a few lives isn't an unreasonable thing to add.

    37. Re:Well she has a point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >The labels are pretty rediculous...

      so are you, learn to spell you fucking retard. Learn to capitalize and punctuate, you jerk.
    38. Re:Well she has a point... by mennucc1 · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of "During the space race, the Americans spent millions of dollars developing a pen that could function reliably in micro gravity conditions. The Russians used a pencil."
      I remember a different story: the Russian used a standard pen; the Americans had assumed that gravity was needed to operate a standard pen, but this is not true. Test: hold a paper sheet on a door, and write with your favorite pen, keeping it flat.
    39. Re:Well she has a point... by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      No, it's to satisfy current the quasi-precedent in product liability the lawyers have been able to secure from mouth-breathing juries.

      So you're claiming that these product liability verdicts are the result of mouth-breathing juries, so stupid they can't interpret obvious things such as "coffee is hot"? Well, I'm sure your proof will be good!

      Remember, the infamous McDonald's coffee cup [overlawyered.com] had a warning label! But the jury decided it wasn't prominent enough.

      While OVERLAWYERED.COM certainly sounds like a reputable and impartial website, I have to dispute your version of the facts.

      If a software manufacturer sold you a program which said, hidden in the EULA, that it would unavoidably, permanently, physically damage 10% of the computers it was installed on, would you be comforted that "well, it DID say so, even if I didn't notice it"? Or would you accuse them of some form of negligence in creating a product which could reasonably be expected to cause real damages a certain percent of the time it was used?

      The facts behind the "hot" coffee incident do not exactly make it the perfect example of a frivolous lawsuit. The media has been misrepresenting this case since they first labeled the case as "hot" coffee instead of something more accurate, like "scalding". You would expect coffee to be hot, in a temperature range suitable for consumption. You would not expect to have to wait half an hour after purchasing coffee for it to be suitable for consumption without seriously burning your mouth. The media, however, is unable to change the actual, undisputed facts of the case, which are as follows:

      • Liebeck attempted to settle for $20,000, the cost of her medical expenses, before suing to recover the damages
      • Liebeck, a 79 year old grandmother, was a passenger in her grandson's car when she ordered a coffee at a McDonald's drive through
      • The coffee spilled in her lap, as they were stopped, when she removed the lid to add cream
      • As a result, she suffered third degree burns over 6% of her body, and needed skin grafts during her 8 day stay at the hospital
      • There were over 700 claims from similar situations occuring between 1982-1992, many of which were settled by McDonald's
      • McDonald's mandated that all coffee be held at 180-190 degrees Fahrenheit.
      • Liquids at 180-190 degrees Fahrenheit produce scalding in less than one second of exposure/contact, and a full-thickness (third degree) burn within three to seven seconds
      • Most home coffee makers serve coffee at ~135 degrees Fahrenheit
      • It takes nearly 10 seconds of exposure at 135 degrees Fahrenheit to produce scalding, and roughly 30 seconds to produce full-thickness burns, which is plenty of time for the liquid to cool and for the victim to react (shake off the hot liquid, pull the clothing away from the skin, etc.)
      • McDonald's acknowledged this danger, and claimed that they were not negligent because, not only was there a warning, but their customers intended to drink the coffee at home or work and were simply purchasing it on their way.
      • McDonald's own market research showed that the majority of customers intended to consume the coffee while driving

      The facts in this case were entirely undisputed. For there to be liability, McDonald's had to know, or reasonably be expected to know, that their product would cause serious burns in a certain number of customers. They not only knew this was a possibility, but were already aware of more than 700 reported cases of this happening. They determined that it would be more cost-effective to pay 70 or so settlements every year than to increase their costs in producing coffee, so they continued to not only produce a product that was unfit for consumption due to its dangerously high temperatures, but advertised it as ready for consumption. They did not take any attempt to mitigate this risk, wa

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    40. Re:Well she has a point... by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      Exactly. But I think everyone forgets something:

      Those labels exist because the manufacturer has ALREADY had problems with the issue. Probably a lawsuit.

      They are not 'wacky' or 'stupid' in any way. The idiots that made the label HAVE to exist are the stupid ones.

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    41. Re:Well she has a point... by jamesh · · Score: 1
      Test: hold a paper sheet on a door, and write with your favorite pen, keeping it flat.

      Maybe your favorite pen is different to the one I just tested with (BIC), but when I tried writing upside down it worked for about 10 seconds of scribbling and then stopped. Going back to the right way up, it took a few seconds but started again. Repeatable. At 90 degrees (closest I could get to microgravity) it went for a bit longer but still faded out pretty quick. If your favorite pen happens to be a Fisher Space Pen then you are cheating :p

      I find snopes to be a fairly reliable source on such matters.
    42. Re:Well she has a point... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      I recall peanut butter being labeled "May contain traces of peanut".

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    43. Re:Well she has a point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's nothing. I bought a carton of skimmed milk from the aforementioned Tesco a couple of years back.

      The allergy advice was.... "contains milk".

      This is not a joke. :-O

    44. Re:Well she has a point... by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 1

      This kinda makes me want to ask the nimwit: "Just how does one dive without swimming?"

      If he can successfully explain that to me, without resorting to silly nilly things like "sky diving" or the like, then I might be willing to have sympathy to his cause.

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    45. Re:Well she has a point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn to be more sensitive, you insensitive clod!

  2. Excessive litigation better than the alternative by WilliamSChips · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Although a few libertarian Slashdotters seem to want Social Darwinism.

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  3. Slashdot... by SeanMac · · Score: 3, Funny

    Slashdot: Remove Intellect Before Posting

  4. bash.org says: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oblig. bash.org quote:
    <xterm> The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

    1. Re:bash.org says: by zakezuke · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

      Because the product would be recalled due to absence of a warning label saying "warning: this product has no warning labels".

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    2. Re:bash.org says: by waveclaw · · Score: 4, Interesting
      FTA:
      a warning he found on the cover of his local Yellow Pages book which cautions users: "Please do not use this directory while operationg [sic] a moving vehicle."


      I'm sorry. When I'm driving a car, I am driving a car. Much like any technology that can kill people (e.g. chainsaws) you really should be multitasking only two things: do your job and don't kill people (unless it's a gun, which is meant to kill people anyway.)

      When driving a car I am not:
      1. Drinking Booze like I'm at a frat party
      2. Taking a nap like I'm in bed at home
      3. Having a four-course lunch as if I'm at a restaurant
      4. Yacking on my cellphone like I'm at the salon getting my hair done
      5. Reading the bleeding Yellow-pages to call someone on my cellphone


      No. You are not good enough of a driver to do these either. If you are, why aren't you a professional race-car driver? (And many pro race-car drivers will tell you not to do these things either.) If you want to eat, drink, yack and read take the bus or a train that serves breakfast. Voice mail exists so you don't have to carry on a 5-way conference call while swerving down Interstate 40 on your way to hell.

      (This rant has been brought to you by the letters G, E, T, A and the word 'clue.')

      I suspect this is not people being clueless, though. It's people willing playing a deadly game to 'be productive' and make up for playing WoW / serfing pr0n at 4am.

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    3. Re:bash.org says: by kfg · · Score: 1

      No. You are not good enough of a driver to do these either. If you are, why aren't you a professional race-car driver?

      'Cause if you were, you wouldn't be.

      And many pro race-car drivers will tell you not to do these things either

      Q.E.D.; I don't even turn my head to look at someone I might be talking to while I'm driving. It's annoying enough to have to comprimise my situational awareness to talk.

      See Keith Code's "The Soft Science of Roadracing Motorcycles."

      Everyone who operates a motor vechicle should read this book. It deals with attention, how it is innately limited; and how having it in the wrong place at the wrong time can kill you.

      A few of you might read the book and say; "What is this shit? It's just common sense," but my work as an instructor has forced me to realize that such common sense is not only duecedly uncommon, but duecedly hard to transmit at times.

      KFG

    4. Re:bash.org says: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No shit right? Kind of makes you question why people try to do all those and more while driving, right? Maybe that leads you to think about how much time you spend driving (and others spend driving) when they could do something productive, right? The opportunity cost, right? And then you think about, hey if there were public transportation for nearly everything we could do all that stuff right? And it would cost less money right? It would actually increase productivity, right? And poor and old and young people wouldn't be restricted in their movement as much, right? And no one, or at least far fewer people would get killed or fined or thrown in jail, right? You think to yourself, without cars there's no cars to steal, right?

      Please please please please please please please?

    5. Re:bash.org says: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In business use, the cell phone routinely prevents many unnecessary trips and allows people to work from home, leave before rush hour (or in come in after) without being out of reach. There are moderate increases in driving risk but of a magnitude similar to pulling over your vehicle - whether to a shoulder, parking lot, etc. I strongly suspect the net effect is a reduction of traffic fatalities due mainly to reducing the need to drive so many places.

    6. Re:bash.org says: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...not only duecedly uncommon, but duecedly hard to transmit..."

      If you're going to repeatedly use a fancy word for "extremely", then at least know how to spell it.

    7. Re:bash.org says: by fuzzix · · Score: 2, Informative
      Oblig. bash.org quote:
        The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

      Like much of bash.org that's actually a Bill Hicks quote.

      As for the article... The warning "Do not iron" on the lottery ticket is pretty funny as my mother did just that to a winning ticket a couple of weeks ago. My brother won some money and she said she'd cash it in for him - he handed her a crumpled up sliver of a ticket. She thought "They'll never take this!" and slapped it on the ironing board... ...well, these things are printed on thermal paper (as many of you may know) so you can guess what happened next.

      Good thing it was only for 9 euro :)
    8. Re:bash.org says: by smallstepforman · · Score: 1
      do your job and don't kill people (unless it's a gun, which is meant to kill people anyway.)

      In the military, the purpose of using guns is to stop an enemy combatant. Wounding is even better than killing, since now his buddies have to look after him, which means that there are less bullets being fired your way.

      Back in my day, teenagers were smarter...

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    9. Re:bash.org says: by lowrydr310 · · Score: 1
      (unless it's a gun, which is meant to kill people anyway.)
      That's not true...
    10. Re:bash.org says: by pyro_peter_911 · · Score: 1
      No. You are not good enough of a driver to do these either. If you are, why aren't you a professional race-car driver? (And many pro race-car drivers will tell you not to do these things either.) If you want to eat, drink, yack and read take the bus or a train that serves breakfast. Voice mail exists so you don't have to carry on a 5-way conference call while swerving down Interstate 40 on your way to hell.

      Hey! I live just off of I-40, and while it does travel through Amarillo, TX I'm pretty sure that the road to hell is I-10 to Phoenix, AZ (with a stop in El Paso, TX which strengthens the case for I-10 as the way to hell).

      Peter
      (Happily living the Good Life in Oklahoma after punching out of the high tech rat race in Phoenix)

    11. Re:bash.org says: by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      Voice mail exists so you don't have to carry on a 5-way conference call while swerving down Interstate 40 on your way to hell.

      I'm pretty sure I-40 doesn't go anywhere near Hell. You'll need to pick another road.

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    12. Re:bash.org says: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kind of makes you question why people try to do all those and more while driving, right? Maybe that leads you to think about how much time you spend driving (and others spend driving) when they could do something productive, right? The opportunity cost, right? And then you think about, hey if there were public transportation for nearly everything we could do all that stuff right? No, wrong. When I ride a bus, I have to

      1. Wait to leave (since the bus runs at intervals).
      2. Travel to the bus stop.
      3. Wait for the bus.
      4. Go places on the bus that I wouldn't go in a car ride.

      On average, it takes me twice as long to ride a bus as take a taxi. Further, even though I'm not driving, I can't really do much, as my work is secret. I should not be doing it in public places where others can look. Not to mention that a moving vehicle isn't the best context for doing work anyway.

      The advantage of public transportation comes down to parking. This is why Park and Rides are popular. One parks in the suburbs, where it can be cheap (often free after subsidies), and ride express transit (rail or dedicated transit lanes) to the destination.

      And it would cost less money right? Interesting theory. If true, then why don't better public transportation systems exist?

      It would actually increase productivity, right? As noted earlier, shared transit increases the transit time. As such, it reduces productivity.

      Rather than focusing on increasing transit, you'd be better off focusing on convincing people to live in areas where transit is usually unnecessary. If you live within fifteen minutes walk of work and groceries, then you can avoid even transit for most trips. Note that this works regardless of public investment in transit. Right?
    13. Re:bash.org says: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still not sure why everyone focused on the existing systems, and especially on buses.

      You know, if I have two options: 1. Sell you a good, sharable, reusable service at a low price and 2. Sell you a single-use bad service at a high price...guess which one I'll opt for. Bingo.

      Anyway, as for the efficiency issue there's two things to remember:

      1. I'm not talking about existing systems. I'm talking about actually investing in new technologies and developing new, better systems.

      2. You're much more likely to notice the amount of time you're waiting for a bus compared to the amount of time you spend in traffic.

      I'm not claiming public transit is the best solution, but I see a lot of evidence pointing to the lack of people looking at it with anything but skepticism. Yet they look at another band-aid on a car and go all mushy. Kind of sad, people don't really think about cars from that angle. They love cars, they love the whole driving thing.

      Yes, living packed like sardines will reduce the need for public transit and private transit. It will not, however, increase the standard of living. Nor will it make efficient use of resources.

    14. Re:bash.org says: by hcdejong · · Score: 1

      Much like any technology that can kill people (e.g. chainsaws) you really should be multitasking only two things: do your job and don't kill people (unless it's a gun, which is meant to kill people anyway.)

      Even when using a gun, really should be multitasking the two things you mentioned. You want to kill just the person you're aiming for, not the innocent bystander wandering into your line of fire.

  5. My personal favourite by JanneM · · Score: 5, Funny

    My first bike (a ten year old Honda CM400T) had the warning, prominently placed on the tank, not to engage the steering lock while you're riding it.

    The steering lock itself was located to the left and below the trunk bundle of wires going to the front panel and instrumentation, and needed the key that presumably is in the ignition (or you would not be driving it) or the backup key. Fair enough.

    But the steering lock would only engage when the front wheel was engaged fully in one direction or the other. Which was a seriously tight turning radius. If you are able to actually keep your balance and keep the bike moving while gong full tilt to the right, and at the same time find and push-twist the key sitting under a bundle of cables below your line of sight and to the left then you do not need a warning label - you need a contract to perform at a motor circus, as you have just found your true calling.

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    1. Re:My personal favourite by arthurpaliden · · Score: 1

      You have obviously never watched an inspector from a workman's safety organization inspect a machine to ensure the workman's safety.

    2. Re:My personal favourite by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      My old Honda CD200 had a warning label beside the ignition unit warning you not to remove the spark plug leads with the engine running.

    3. Re:My personal favourite by sentientbeing · · Score: 1

      Maybe they meant it was only forbidden during wheelies!

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    4. Re:My personal favourite by Potor · · Score: 3, Funny

      I once had a toy gun made in China with the warning: Do Not Aim at the People. I always loved that one.

    5. Re:My personal favourite by geobeck · · Score: 1

      I once had a toy gun made in China with the warning: Do Not Aim at the People.

      Hmm... I wonder if they mean the people in general or The People who run The People's Republic. Could be an anti-subversive label.

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    6. Re:My personal favourite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My favorite was on Leno a few years back
      This was on a blender
      "Not for use with the other use"

    7. Re:My personal favourite by jbengt · · Score: 1

      Mine was the directions on a pack of rubbers. Along with a lot of inane instructions, it warned the user to put the condom on before inserting the penis into the vagina. My wife and I laughed so hard it ruined the mood

    8. Re:My personal favourite by pete-classic · · Score: 1

      I think it would literally be impossible for anyone with fewer than three arms to do this. You can't keep it rubber side down with the bars against the stops over a few miles per hour . . . and you can't turn a little circle at a few miles per hour without using the clutch and the throttle. This, of course, leaves you no hands to turn the key. I think that this shows that whoever wrote the warning never threw his leg over a bike.

      I feel like a stunt performer just switching to reserve on the highway!

      -Peter

    9. Re:My personal favourite by Nethead · · Score: 2, Funny

      Damn! I hate to admit this but I did just that on a CM400T (I miss that bike.) I got on my bike and got into a long chat with my friend, started up the bike, eased out the clutch and went right down. I think he's still laughing. Really, this happened to me. The label was looking me right in the face as I pulled the bike back up.

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    10. Re:My personal favourite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I heard bullet proof vest come with a label: "This vest is not designed to stop projectiles". Doesn't surprise me, but it's funny :)

    11. Re:My personal favourite by MrCreosote · · Score: 1

      From instruction manual for a pager

      "Do not swallow batteries. In the event of swallowing batteries, call National Battery Ingestion Hotline on 800XXXXXX"

      So not only are there people silly enough to think about swallowing batteries, there are people so stupid they actually do swallow batteries, even when warned not to. Not only that, there are enough of them to warrant having a 24 hour hotline.

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    12. Re:My personal favourite by ericlondaits · · Score: 1

      One of the usual ways of misusing condoms is to start intercourse and pause sometime before orgasm to put it on. This renders it useless against many STDs and neglects the fact that pre-seminal fluid might contain sperm. The warning might be referring to that.

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    13. Re:My personal favourite by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      My favorite was on a Dewalt nailgun. One of the warnings was not to use the gun for "horseplay" (no bestiality jokes, please). It was accompanied by an illustration - a guy in a hardhat shooting another guy in the ass, with the victim holding his ass with "pain rays" shooting out of it, all with a big circle and slash through it.

      In other words, "Don't shoot your coworker in the ass with this device". Did this really need to be said? And was Black and Decker ever sued by the perpetrator? "Ladies and Gentleman of the jury, my client would have never landed in prison if it wasn't just so darn tempting to shoot someone in the ass with this device. It is obviously defective, so please give my client money so he can get drugs in prison and I can take my cut and roll around in it."

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    14. Re:My personal favourite by jeff4747 · · Score: 1
      So not only are there people silly enough to think about swallowing batteries, there are people so stupid they actually do swallow batteries, even when warned not to
      Hang around some infants sometime. Everything they find on the floor goes in the mouth, and a good portion gets swallowed. Including batteries.
    15. Re:My personal favourite by MaxVT · · Score: 1

      Not bad, but my personal favourite comes from a set of rollerskating knee pads: "these pads do not protect any body part they don't cover" :)

    16. Re:My personal favourite by armb · · Score: 1

      2000 a year of them, according to http://www.poison.org/prevent/battery.asp
      I think Jeff's right, almost all of those will be small kids and the phone number is for their parents.

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    17. Re:My personal favourite by armb · · Score: 1

      There was a bicycle helmet study that concluded that helmets protect against more than 100% of head injuries. When this was pointed out to the authors (an error in their maths that meant they didn't realise that was what their figures showed), their reaction was not "I guess our methodology must have been a bit crap", "but never mind the details, the bogus numbers still clearly show that helmets save lives as we'd decided in advance that they would".
      Another widely quoted study showed that helmets not only prevent 88% of head injuries, they also prevent leg injuries and make you more likely to be white, middle class, and cycling in a suburb in a park rather on the streets in a city.

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  6. Knowledge is Power by El+Torico · · Score: 4, Insightful

    stupid people + clever lawyers = trouble

    Should there be warning labels? Of course.
    Should there be warning labels as a replacement for a basic level of education? Of course not.

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    1. Re:Knowledge is Power by superbrose · · Score: 1

      At what point in basic education do they teach common sense?

    2. Re:Knowledge is Power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should there be warning labels as a replacement for a basic level of education? Of course not.

      Those warning labels are not a replacement for education. They are a replacement for basic common sense, which is something that everyone has, regardless of their educational level.

      I knew a man who had no formal education at all. But he possessed a perfectly normal level of common sense. His significant lack of factual knowledge (which was particuarly evident in areas like vocabulary, history, geography, etc.) was no impediment whatsoever for solving the basic problems that people encounter in everyday living.

      My experiences with him caused me to become a strong believer that humans have a natural, built-in capability of learning things from their everyday environment -- "common sense", if you will. Our educational system plays no role whatsoever in this intrinsic ability that we all have.

    3. Re:Knowledge is Power by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      Common sense is not taught in schools. It is taught by parents. But it's not taught directly, like a classroom curricula, it's taught through:

      A) Accepting responsibility to teach your children about life. Too many parents expect schools to do this for them. If all you do with your child is drop them off at school in the morning, pick them up afterwards, and then ignore them the rest of the day, you're run a great risk of your child not learning sufficient common sense.

      B) Don't be overprotective of your child. I don't know it came from, but this idea that children should be protected from life is terribly wrong. Children who never get hurt never learn that there are things in this world that can hurt them.

      Amazingly, there are parents who ignore their children at the same time they're overly protective of them.

      C) Teaching your child to accept responsibility for his own actions. Why should your child assume that actions have consequences if his own actions never have consequences?

      Those are the three things that teach children common sense. It's simple. Most of us had parents who taught us common sense. Unfortunately, a significant number of people in our society did not.

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    4. Re:Knowledge is Power by superbrose · · Score: 1

      My apologies... this was a rhetoric question with a hint of sarcasm. Maybe I should have written:

      Should there be warning labels as a replacement for a basic level of education? Of course not.

      At what point in basic education do they teach common sense?!

      But thank you for your eloquent reply. I fully agree that it is in the hands of the parents to transmit this valuable power. As with anything, there are exceptions, of course.

      • Some parents make notable efforts but their children are rebellious, stubborn and foolish - common sense is not transmitted.
      • There are parents with no common sense, yet their children nonetheless manage to develop it.
      Amazingly, there are parents who ignore their children at the same time they're overly protective of them.
      I think parents following this path deserve to win an award for bad parenting.

      Unfortunately, a significant number of people in our society did not. I see you were being polite, but to be blunt I'd replace 'significant' with 'shocking'.
  7. Crowbar by Dachannien · · Score: 1

    Many crowbars today are printed with the warning label: "Do not use to pry."

    1. Re:Crowbar by s20451 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Many crowbars today are printed with the warning label: "Do not use to pry."

      Does that mean we're only supposed to use them for their other intended purpose, to beat?

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    2. Re:Crowbar by SYSS+Mouse · · Score: 3, Funny

      Intended purpose? To kill headcrabs?

    3. Re:Crowbar by docneuro · · Score: 1

      No, this is for would-be yentas not to use it to ask too many questions.

    4. Re:Crowbar by Socguy · · Score: 1

      Next time you buy a good claw hammer, check the warantee; You may be supprised to see that if you pull a nail with the claws, it voids the warantee!

      I also have an axe with a large arrow engraved into the head ensuring that you strike with the sharp side!

    5. Re:Crowbar by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Next time you buy a good claw hammer, check the warantee; You may be supprised to see that if you pull a nail with the claws, it voids the warantee!

      Next time, try buying a REAL quality tool - a single piece forged hammer, not those two-piece POS with a separate head and handle. Just be ready to spend $25 - $50 for it, not $1.79.

    6. Re:Crowbar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Many crowbars today are printed with the warning label: "Do not use to pry."

      And if you peel up that label, there's another underneath that reads "Well, if you really must pry..."

      ("I must! I must!")

    7. Re:Crowbar by Socguy · · Score: 1

      Ha ha, Ya, I hear you, but it is the good ones!

  8. Warning: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't have children if you are not prepared to be responsible for them for a couple of decades.

    1. Re:Warning: by DarkSarin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't have children if you are not prepared to be responsible for them for a couple of decades. And just exactly WHERE do you propose to place that warning label? And once you've got that idea, HOW do you plan to make sure that every device that would be used to produce children has the label?

      Good Luck!
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    2. Re:Warning: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make special pubic hair trimmers ;)

    3. Re:Warning: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tattoo parlor in every deliver ward. Tattoo it onto genitals of all newborn.

      The publicity and outrage alone would probably be effective (HA!) for 20-30 years.

    4. Re:Warning: by jc42 · · Score: 1
      Don't have children if you are not prepared to be responsible for them for a couple of decades.

      HOW do you plan to make sure that every device that would be used to produce children has the label?

      Well, here in the US, hospitals used to circumcise all newborn boys without asking the parents' permission. This has mostly stopped now, primarily because medical studies (and a few lawsuits) showed that it had no medical benefits but had a slight risk of infection. So hospitals are out the bit of money they used to get from this operation.

      But this did set the legal precedence that they can make "recommended" modifications of newborns' genitals without asking the parents' permission. And charge for it. So what they should do is tattoo the suggested warning on all newborn boys' penises. This would be easy to justify, given the sorry state of the laws that we're discussing here, and would be another chargeable item on the hospital bill.

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    5. Re:Warning: by geobeck · · Score: 1

      Don't have children if you are not prepared to be responsible for them for a couple of decades.
      And just exactly WHERE do you propose to place that warning label?

      Tattoo it right beside "ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK".

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    6. Re:Warning: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it wouldn't be needed on the ones who were going to grow up to be gay...

  9. Nice by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 1

    My current sig line came from one of these I read a couple of years ago. It was a label for a holiday light set.

    I also wanted to submit one I saw on an Arm & Hammer box of cat litter that said: "This product safe for use around animals". One would hope so!

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    1. Re:Nice by NevarMore · · Score: 1

      Animal un-safe kitty litter!

      Rectum?! Damn near killed him!

    2. Re:Nice by Matt+Edd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not all cat litter is safe for all animals.

      http://rabbit.org/faq/sections/litter.html

    3. Re:Nice by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      This sig is intended for Indoor or Outdoor use only. Perhaps it's intended for Hindus? As I recall, there is a Hindu legend where someone was awarded a wish being grated by a god and asked (from memory) that he not be able to be killed at night or during the day, inside or outside (and possible a few other conditions). The god later took him to the threshold at dusk and killed him.
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    4. Re:Nice by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      a wish being grated by a god

      Sounds painful. If that's what he wished for, I hope he wasn't ingrateful.

  10. I don't iron my lottery tickets by kaufmanmoore · · Score: 1

    I follow the rules and I still dont win, wtf?

    1. Re:I don't iron my lottery tickets by TheQwe · · Score: 2, Informative

      It looks like to me that the lottery ticket is printed on thermal transfer paper- in which case ironing it would turn the side with the number on it completely black. That one makes the most sense to me- I could almost see someone trying to iron out a crumpled ticket.

    2. Re:I don't iron my lottery tickets by Yath · · Score: 1

      California Lottery tickets are indeed printed on thermal paper, and ironing them will turn them completely black in short order (as will leaving them in the sun for several months). That warning isn't wacky in the least.

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    3. Re:I don't iron my lottery tickets by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1
      I could almost see someone trying to iron out a crumpled ticket.

      I have done this with receipts once. Thankfully, they weren't important ones.

      While I was aware of what thermal paper does (from the fax machine), and I was aware that the iron was hot (duh), it did not occur to me at the time that the receipts were printed on thermal paper, and even so, I would not have made the logical connection.

      The purpose of the iron is to flatten something, and therefore this is the task that people think about. Neither the heat used in this task, nor the latent consequences of applying heat, is inherent to the thought process.

      Of course, neither is reading a label.

      - RG>
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    4. Re:I don't iron my lottery tickets by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      It looks like to me that the lottery ticket is printed on thermal transfer paper- in which case ironing it would turn the side with the number on it completely black. That one makes the most sense to me- I could almost see someone trying to iron out a crumpled ticket.

      ... or the clothes dryer ...

  11. Caution by Dude163299 · · Score: 1, Funny

    Caution:

    Junk food may make you fat.

    1. Re:Caution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not be more explicit about the dangers?

      Caution: Excessive junk food consumption can kill you.

    2. Re:Caution by springbox · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure there used to be "Warning: Stop eating when full" printed on some snack bags..

    3. Re:Caution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since high fructose corn syrup short-circuits the 'full' sensation, should the container be labelled:

      "Stop eating when empty"?

    4. Re:Caution by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      They ought to label every object in Nethack like that.

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  12. Lawyers aren't the entire problem by gravesb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The law generally is that the company must warn against unintended uses that a reasonable person would forsee. The problem is the reasonable person standard is determined by a jury. If juries would stop awarding such verdicts, then lawyers would stop suing. As long as juries continue to say a reasonable person would forsee someone putting a wet cell phone in a microwave, lawyers will continue to file suit. Talking to one juror about a malpractice case, they said they really didn't see that the doctor was negligent, but the plaintiff was suffering, the insurance was the only one who was going to pay, the insurance company had money, so why not give the plaintiff $400,000? The thing they didn't see (other than their conduct being against the law) was that everyone pays increased medical costs to cover the increase in malpractice insurance that the doctor must pay. If jurors were more responsible and more intelligent as to the consequences of their actions, the legal culture would have to change. Don't expect the lawyers to change the system, they have too much of a vested interest, and they are legally bound to look after their client's best interests within the law. People need to change the system.

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    1. Re:Lawyers aren't the entire problem by maxume · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:Lawyers aren't the entire problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Talking to one juror about a malpractice case, they said they really didn't see that the doctor was negligent, but the plaintiff was suffering, the insurance was the only one who was going to pay, the insurance company had money, so why not give the plaintiff $400,000? Just like there are lazy, lousy sysadmins that cause more damage than good, there are lazy, lousy doctors that cause more damage than good. Fortunately, bad doctors become uninsurable, limiting their ability to do damage. The best looking uninsurable doctors end up on late-night infomercials, touting anti-aging creams.
    3. Re:Lawyers aren't the entire problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So are you saying the people are asking for better health care implementation in the USA. Have you heard from anyone not in a health care case.

    4. Re:Lawyers aren't the entire problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI: "Malpractice costs amounted to an estimated $24 billion in 2002, but that figure represents less than 2 percent of overall health care spending.(12) Thus, even a reduction of 25 percent to 30 percent in malpractice costs would lower health care costs by only about 0.4 percent to 0.5 percent, and the likely effect on health insurance premiums would be comparably small." Ref: Congressional Budget Office)

      Also, high jury awards in malpractice cases are a direct result of our health care system, because any damages caused by the malpractice will forever be considered "preexisting conditions" by the insurer who will refuse to pay them. Thus jury awards must take into account the cost of treatment of the problem for the rest of the victim's life. In case you're not up to date with current medical costs, a $400000 jury award (a little larger than average) is actually pretty tiny and could easily get eaten up by a couple of weeks in the ICU or a few years of assisted living.

    5. Re:Lawyers aren't the entire problem by gravesb · · Score: 1

      The problem is that if a jury does not follow the law, the judge can vacate their verdict and replace it with his own. FRCP 50. Juries do have to follow the law, and should only rule on questions of fact. However, the reasonableness of warnings is a question of fact.

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    6. Re:Lawyers aren't the entire problem by gravesb · · Score: 1

      The point was that there was no malpractice, but the jury decided to award a large settlement for a relatively minor problem (back ache, with minimal restriction on work), because they didn't understand either the law or the consequences of their actions. Its the same thing in product liability. The jurors feel bad for the "little guy" who microwaved his phone, the large company has insurance, so the award a verdict even if none is deserved. Then you see warning labels about placing phones in microwaves. The entire point of product liability is to force companies to make products safe when it is easy for them to do so, the consumer has no control over the product, and no way to check the quality of the product. The theory began with a cola bottle that exploded on its own. Obviously, there was a substandard bottle. The flaw was microscopic. The consumer had no way to check it. The company should be obligated to make bottles that don't explode, don't make bottles, or make the same bottle, and inform the consumer of the risk. In the cases where consumers put phones in microwaves or people in dryers, the company really has no control.

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    7. Re:Lawyers aren't the entire problem by gravesb · · Score: 1

      You are right, I should have provided more details as to the problem. It was a relatively minor back problem. However, having talked to doctors, many of them are getting out of practice because of malpractice insurance. Even making substantial amounts of money, they don't make a profit. Also, your numbers are based on health care as a whole. Certain segments are hit much harder than others. For intance, OB/GYN is almost impossible to practice anymore without other money coming in, or having a hospital subsidize the insurance. Plastic surgery, on the other hand, tends to have much lower rates. I know an OB/GYN who has started doing botox to balance things out so that she can keep her practice, and her next step is to trade in the OB part of her practice and begin offering lyposuction, as its the only way she can stay afloat.

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    8. Re:Lawyers aren't the entire problem by Vengie · · Score: 1

      hi did you just quote FRCP 50 w/r/t personal injury/products liability tort? please learn about long arm statutes, jurisdiction and federal courts. most of these lawsuits happen in state courts, not federal courts. you're not learned hand, stop acting like it.

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    9. Re:Lawyers aren't the entire problem by coredog64 · · Score: 1

      Is that $24 billion in direct costs or direct and indirect costs? Indirect costs would be things like "defensive medicine" in which the doctor orders a several hundred (or thousand) dollar test that there's a 99% chance you don't need just so he can cover his ass.

    10. Re:Lawyers aren't the entire problem by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      Yes, but lawyers pick the jury! Think about it! They don't WANT intelligent people on the jury. They want people who will choose in their favor. The defense and plaintiff sides both have to agree on who is on the jury. So, yes, the lawyers are the problem.

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    11. Re:Lawyers aren't the entire problem by gravesb · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but bad practitioners are a problem in every profession, and people taking advantage of the system happens everywhere. In programming, for instance, there will always people who will want to break into systems for fun or profit. Think about how much money is drained from the system by trying to increase security or repair problems. That doesn't by any means mean that programmers as a whole are the problem. And what's the best way to limit bad programmers? Users improve their personal security habits. Just as users shouldn't click yes on every pop-up they see, jurors shouldn't award money to every victim. And I didn't say lawyers were beyond blame. They do deserve an incredible amount. But, they are not the entire problem.

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    12. Re:Lawyers aren't the entire problem by gravesb · · Score: 1

      Thanks. Actually, a good number of states have adopted the FRCP in part or in whole, and more are looking at doing so. Also, a defendant will generally attempt to remove a case to federal court at the first opportunity. The Supreme Court has also examined this rule, found that it complies with the Constitution, so it can be adopted of its own in any state that chooses to. It makes sense, when talking about civil suits in general, to use the FRCP, because no set of rules applies everywhere, but the FRCP seems to have the broadest penetration. And in talking about personal injury, I would have used Cardozo, not Learned Hand. He seems to have had more impact across the board.

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    13. Re:Lawyers aren't the entire problem by jamesh · · Score: 1

      Curiously, I'm 30-ish and have never been called up for jury duty, despite being eligible for over 12 years. My wife has only been called up once. A guy at work seems to be called up at least once a year though!

      The disturbing thing is, the attitude of everyone seems to be that you have to try and get out of it as quickly as possible. Just think, one day you might be up there being convicted for a crime, do you want to put your fate in the hands of 12 people who were too stupid to get out of jury duty???

    14. Re:Lawyers aren't the entire problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact, there are states where the legal environment is so bad that whole counties are losing their OB/GYNs. In Kentucky, 25% of the state's OB/GYNs have stopped praticing or moved away entirely in the past 5-6 years. That leaves fewer than 50 of the state's 120 counties still having them. Other states (like Florida) have six-figure insurance premiums, pretty much requiring many practitioners to stop practicing or leave the state.

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    15. Re:Lawyers aren't the entire problem by Sinical · · Score: 1
      Lawyers are evil pieces of shit who should be carved into bleeding chunks with fishing line and monstrous tension. We'll vitrify the chunks, build a probe, and launch the solid result toward the nearest blackhole to remove their contamination from the universe altogether.

      The jury pool is comprised of citizens of the United States (largely: one presumes the assorted illegal is sucked into the system). Unless we're willing to have some sort of jury qualification exam, i.e. disenfranchise a chunk of the citizenry, which I think's largely a non-starter and probably should be (that's a hell of a consequence for false negatives). However, I think that there are certain *suits* that it is reasonable to remove people from, and if you could rely on lawyers to not be a toxin in the bloodstream of humanity (oh, darn), then you could hope that this selection would be a decent process.

      But it's not. The company I work for is the largest private contractor (non-government) in the south of the *state*, and is 80% engineers. But for all that, almost everyone I know is instantly removed from the jury pool: saying "engineer" is like announcing that you have the Monopoly "Get Out of Jury Duty Free" card. Oh my GOD, they might consider the evidence! They might be capable of understanding complicated matters and not voting based on what they had for lunch!

      This happens because, for lawyers, there is no incentive not to game and fuck the system. No, no one expects them to act like humans and simply consider what is proper and correct for justice's sake! You can't have the defense and prosecution teams get together and, like DECENT GODDAMN HUMANS, simply say, "Unfit, fit, unfit, fit" based purely on intellectual, etc. merits. No, it has to be this goddamn caricature of a process where each looks for the person mostly likely to be swayed to their point of view, regardless of the consequencs.

      And there is no oversight to say, "Oh, bullshit, you picked 4 illiterate hicks from the pool of 60 people in the profession under discussion?" NOTE: you could probably easily stick the 4 illiterate hicks in various criminal cases where their judgment, if unlikely to be considered "as good", should be "sufficient". But we /never/ do that. Lawyers being disbarred? Don't make me fucking laugh: there's no oversight there. It's lawyers disciplining lawyers. Like Congress with ethics violations. Beautiful goddamn idea. Do we really do that for any other professions: answer, NO. You can say "doctors", but that's obviously stupid -- *how* many malpractice attorneys are there?

      This doesn't happen in engineering. Here is Feynman on the Challenger Shuttle debacle:

      For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled. And it is rarely in the financial (and thus, corrosive) interests of engineers to fuck people. Definitely it happens, but ask if institutions run by engineers are as fucking TOXIC as organizations run by lawyers. Anyone disagree?

      And I have worked with engineers I personally loathed and whose work and careers it would absolutely tickle me to destroy, but I don't, because the end result is a bad product, and you cannot HIDE that. Also, I have a soul. Also, there are consequences. Can you say the same about the law? I don't think so.

      My job is produce things that work. A lawyer's job should be to produce justice. But we've decided that only lawyers can be in charge of the incentives to behave for lawyers, and that's simply a receipe for disaster for everyone except lawyers.
    16. Re:Lawyers aren't the entire problem by gravesb · · Score: 1

      I probably shouldn't respond to such an obvious troll, but what the heck. Where to start? Before we vilify all lawyers, we should probably look at your sample size versus the population, and the number of lawyers who do good works. Like the public defenders, who despite no thanks, low pay, and crushing law school debt, work insane hours to defend the poorest of us. Or the brilliant attorneys of the civil rights movement in the 60's who worked to change the system through the judiciary when they could have made small fortunes in the private sector. Or any of the pro bono attorneys working for free (losing billable hours) to support causes for the sake of the cause. Yeah, lets kill all of them. Secondly, our system isn't that bad compared to some of the others. Having spent some time in Iraq, I'm pretty sure that the justice our legal system upholds is better than what they have. Now, admittedly, being the smartest kid with down syndrome isn't something to brag about, but maybe it speaks to the difficulty of creating a great system. Speaking of creating the system that all of these horrible lawyers take advantage of, who does that? The legislatures, who are elected by the public. Yeah, yeah, the public doesn't have a say anymore because of lobbyists, etc. Or maybe because more people vote for American Idol than for the American President. Third, there is oversight. Judges are either elected or appointed. They are subject to being voted out or impeachment. However, again, that takes some work by either the populace or the legislature. Justice is a relative term. For the vast majority of cases, the lawyers get together and work it out without even going to court. Court is dangerous because it is unpredictable and expensive. Only cases where each side has a different view of the "right" outcome generally come to court. The lawyers are supposed to represent their client's view of justice to the best of their ability within the confines of the justice system. They have been given certain tools to do so. Should they not because you say so? How do you determine a good juror? If there is a test, why not test them and create a minmum standard, as you suggest. If there isn't a test, why not let lawyers who are on opposite sides decide whose best? If they both agree on a juror, isn't it a wash? Actually, the definition of a profession involves providing its own oversight. There are only four professions by the sociolgical definition, and doctors do fall into that category. Generally, if a doctor follows custom, he can't be sued for malpractice. Who sets the custom? Doctors. Who must testify to show a violation of custom? Another doctor in the same specialty. So the doctors do have broad latitude to self-regulate. Engineers are perfect. Never in the history of engineering have any engineers cut corners because of cost, laziness or ignorance. No engineers were involved in creating weapons that kill millions of people. They are all saints. I will take your word that you have a soul and that you never compromise your work, but that doesn't mean that it applies to all engineers. Far from it. And the ones that you and I could agree on as being evil probably don't seem themselves that way, but have a different world view. Yeah, that weapon killed millions of people, but it helped protect my way of life. Yeah, I cut a corner, but it was small, and the money saved will keep my company solvent. Life isn't nearly as black and white as you seem to imply. I hope that you do better work engineering than you do writing arguments. I am sure you do, as its your job. If creating a perfect system of justice was as easy as some engineering problems are (and there are definitely difficult engineering problems, I don't mean to demean the work of engineers in any way), I would love to have an engineer design it and force the lawyers to work within it. But its not. The system can be improved. It does get improved, incrementally, on an almost daily basis. Some lawyers take advantage of the system for selfish reasons. Others use the system to advance the common good. There is definitely plenty of blame to lay at the feet of lawyers. But they are far from the only ones who should shoulder some blame, and not all lawyers are the spawn of satan.

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    17. Re:Lawyers aren't the entire problem by Vengie · · Score: 1

      There is no federal common law; even if the suit is removed, they still apply the law of the state. The right to jury trial persists, and since very few states do not permit certified questions, there are few, if any, unguided Erie choices. It still must go before a jury, even in federal court. JNOV/JMOL are easily grounds for appeal. And actually, if you're quoting frcp 50, Hand *does* matter since basically the only theory under which a judge can (without almost assuring overturn on appeal) set aside on tort is that the jury did not apply BPL correctly, i.e. the hand formula. .... How long ago was first year civ pro and torts?

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    18. Re:Lawyers aren't the entire problem by gravesb · · Score: 1

      There is no federal law, but the FRCP aren't common law. They have the weight of statutes, and therefore apply in federal court, according to Erie. A judge can overturn a verdict for a lot of other reasons. For instance, in some states, if a juror is willing to present an affadavit about what happened in the juror's room. Although more than likely, the judge would grant a new trial instead, there is room for him to vacate the verdict and substitute his own. If I weren't busy researching some other topics, I would pull a couple of examples off of Westlaw. However, I wasn't arguing the amount that it happens, just that it can happen if the jury ignores the law to substitute what they believe justice should be, as the link in the first response in this thread advocates.

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    19. Re:Lawyers aren't the entire problem by Vengie · · Score: 1

      Since Vosburg v Putney, juries have done what they pleased. I can find just as many Wexis examples of you being spot wrong -- but you yourself admitted that "it isn't likely" -- JNOV/JMOL does indeed derive from common law; otherwise a judge has no authority to set aside a state law JURY verdict. Which is why JMOL motions must be made BEFORE a verdict is reached in most jurisdictions; otherwise the judge is disregarding a jury verdict. (JNOV). Failing to make a jmol motion before the verdict comes in will assure you no chance of even a new trial.

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    20. Re:Lawyers aren't the entire problem by gravesb · · Score: 1

      It derives from common law, but has been codified as statutory law, at least in federal court. And yes, you have to make the motion before to preserve the right to make the motion after, but the ability of the judge to disregard a jury verdict if it is contrary to law, either by making his own verdict or ordering a new trial, is a part of the civil litigation system in this country. It doesn't matter how likely or often it is, if a jury completely ignores the law because they have their own ideas of what justice is, there is a chance their verdict will be vacated.

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  13. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by larien · · Score: 1
    Anyone who needs a warning label to tell them not to go into a washing machine and turn it on deserves to be removed from the gene pool for gross stupidity. People need to learn common sense and they'll be able to deal with life better than if they rely on warning labels all the time.

    "Jeez, Cletus, look at this here warning label - 'do not iron clothes whilst being worn'. Just as well that was there or I'd have gone done that..."

  14. We've had this for a while ... by richg74 · · Score: 4, Funny
    Personally, I think a four-year-old precocious enough to read and understand all the warning labels hidden all over a product probably doesn't need those labels.

    About twenty years ago, I bought an electric pencil sharpener for my office. It came with a set of safety warnings, prominently including "Do not attempt to sharpen ball-point pens." My thought at the time was that someone stupid enough to do that most likely had a problem that wasn't going to be solved by reading warning labels.

    1. Re:We've had this for a while ... by KokorHekkus · · Score: 1
      ...My thought at the time was that someone stupid enough to do that most likely had a problem that wasn't going to be solved by reading warning labels.
      The warning isn't put there to solve the problem... they're there to absolve the producer from responsibility for stupid people.
    2. Re:We've had this for a while ... by vertinox · · Score: 1

      As a child, that warning label only perked my interest on putting pens and various other non-pencils into the electric pencil sharpener.

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    3. Re:We've had this for a while ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I somehow doubt that. What's the worst that happens if they don't put on that warning? Someone sues them for the cost of a ballpoint pen?

    4. Re:We've had this for a while ... by dosius · · Score: 1

      Then perhaps we need a sanity test: if people of average intelligence would know not to do X, Y does X and then sues Z, Y should instantly be required to pay up twice the amount sued for, plus a fine to the court for wasting their time.

      -uso.

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    5. Re:We've had this for a while ... by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      Someone sues them for the cost of a ballpoint pen?

      Plus five grand for mental trauma.

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    6. Re:We've had this for a while ... by dbIII · · Score: 1
      "Do not attempt to sharpen ball-point pens." My thought at the time was that someone stupid enough to do that most likely had a problem that wasn't going to be solved by reading warning labels.

      These people still make it into the workplace - ask any computer system administrator.

    7. Re:We've had this for a while ... by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

      But what if someone reads that label and concludes that it's OK to sharpen a fountain pen? You have to draw the line somewhere - for me, that line should run close to the border of common sense.

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  15. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is excess litigation better than common sense and lower priced goods that do not include the cost of previous frivolous damage awards passed on to the consumer?

  16. I was in a washing machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was about 4 or 5, my older brother and sister (about 10 years older) used to take turns hiding me someplace in the house while the other would look for me. One of them put me in the washing machine once, and my mother found me in there. She wasn't too happy.

    1. Re:I was in a washing machine by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1
      When I was about 4 or 5, my older brother and sister (about 10 years older) used to take turns hiding me someplace in the house while the other would look for me.
      FYI, they were actually hosting a bong party instead of looking for you.
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  17. What happens when the warning negates the purpose? by Vormav · · Score: 1

    I bought a cheap, full-suspension mountain bike a few years back, and in the accompanying manual, it stated, "This bicycle is not intended for off-road purposes". So...what was it that I bought??

  18. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

    I'm talking mostly about the litigation, which is the fake "problem" this and the fucking stupid Stella Awards are trying to "solve". Now there are problems with the court system but the problems which cause the Stella Awards cases are much less important than the fact that the actual problems with McDonalds coffee which have caused third-degree burns to the people who tried to drink them are all shuffled away with out-of-court settlements.

    Why do we only hear about the cases stupidly decided in favor of the plantiff? Hearing about the cases stupidly decided in favor of the defendant doesn't help the case of the people supporting corporacracy and Social Darwinism, that's why. McDonalds and the corporate media only want a lawsuit shown in the media if it's like the Stella case where the plantiff did something stupid. How else can they convince the common man to want a more corporate court, working against their interests?

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  19. Crazy...or not? by Alioth · · Score: 2, Funny

    Before you think how these warning labels - such as "Do not use iron on clothes you are wearing", a couple of years ago, a Slashdotter admitted to have burned himself while ironing the shirt he was wearing.

    My favorite warning label is on a set of fairy lights: "For indoor or outdoor use only".

    1. Re:Crazy...or not? by Boogaroo · · Score: 1
      My favorite warning label is on a set of fairy lights: "For indoor or outdoor use only".

      You just aren't creative enough.
      I'm sure someone tried to use them underwater or... internally. Fairy lights indeed.
    2. Re:Crazy...or not? by mccdyl001 · · Score: 1

      I've actually done that myself. Fair enough it wasn't a shirt it was a pair of chino's (trousers). I was at university and was getting ready for a night out and saw how really bad they were looking, and figured a quick run over with the iron would do the trick. Obviously wasn't one of my brightest moments, but at least the iron hadn't heated up to full temp yet. I remember thinking, well, its probably going to be quite hot but i'll iron really quick so it shouldn't actually burn... The worst thing is its not an instantaneous pain - it took a couple seconds to register that this thing on my leg was f%#king hot and was hurting! I stopped and took them off before attempting to iron them again. Anyway, i totally realise it was 100% my fault and it was a valuable lesson learnt - hot things should not be applied direct to the body! I even saw the funny side of it, which is why i don't mind posting about it.
       
      So remember kids, don't try iron your clothes while wearing them! Not a good idea!

    3. Re:Crazy...or not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >My favorite warning label is on a set of fairy lights: "For indoor or outdoor use only".

      Just can't use it while standing under door frame...

    4. Re:Crazy...or not? by dcam · · Score: 1

      That might have been me. I've done that.

      Before you think of me is too much of an idiot (well it may be too late for that), I was just touching up the collar on a shirt. Yes I burnt myself.

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    5. Re:Crazy...or not? by wxjones · · Score: 1

      At work I bought some 2mm copper plates. They came with an MSDS (material safety data sheet - required for chemicals in the US) that said: "Warning! There are no known hazards associated with this material."

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    6. Re:Crazy...or not? by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1
      Before you think how these warning labels - such as "Do not use iron on clothes you are wearing", a couple of years ago, a Slashdotter admitted to have burned himself while ironing the shirt he was wearing.

      "I'm so tough, my girlfriend irons my shirts . . . while I'm wearing them."

      I'd love to claim that line, but it comes from some Austrailian comedian about 20 years ago, I think.

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  20. So why is it bad to put a cell in the microwave? by notthepainter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yes, that is a rehtorical question because if you read /. you know why.

    The real question is, how would an average person know? Most look like they are made of plastic which is of course microwave safe. If you've immersed your phone, drying it out with heat can fix it. (I know, I baked a friend phone in my oven at 150 degrees to bring it back to life.)

    So no, I don't think we need labels, there are so many they aren't read anyhow.

    How can we make it obvious that this is a bad idea? Or better yet, how can we make it possible that no damage will occur to either device then this happens?

    This is one of the challenges that engineers face. How do you make your products work well, be bulletproof, be easy to use, do what the customer needs doing, and yet not cost a fortune.

  21. Best floppy disk labels ever by hugg · · Score: 4, Funny
    1. Re:Best floppy disk labels ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, it's OK to use magnets to secure the floppy disks to the fridge door? There is no warning about magnets, strangely.

    2. Re:Best floppy disk labels ever by G27+Radio · · Score: 1

      Wow, I hadn't thought about that in years. BTW, that scan is from the back of the disk jacket.

    3. Re:Best floppy disk labels ever by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1
      it's OK to use magnets to secure the floppy disks to the fridge door?
      Credit people with some common sense. Everyone knows that magnets erase floppy discs. So, in the event that it's necessary to attach a disk to a fridge, it should be secured with a nail - preferably made of non-ferrous metal.
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  22. Reason for this kind of warning by DavidV · · Score: 5, Informative

    An under-evolved hairless ape recently put an infant in the clothes dryer in Sydney because he thought it would be fun for the child. It may have been for the few seconds before the 3rd degree burns started developing. This kind of cretin is the reason for this kind of warning.

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    1. Re:Reason for this kind of warning by MisterBuggie · · Score: 5, Informative

      Erm, why is this modded troll? This actually happened...
      Article here: http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/wet-baby-in-tu mble-dryer-man-charged/2006/05/30/1148754978203.ht ml

      We need better warning labels on the /. mod system ;-)

    2. Re:Reason for this kind of warning by jamesh · · Score: 1

      The question you have to ask though, is would a warning label have actually helped in this case? Anyone stupid enough to do that is probably not going to take the advice of a label, assuming they can actually read it anyway.

    3. Re:Reason for this kind of warning by arth1 · · Score: 1
      An under-evolved hairless ape recently put an infant in the clothes dryer in Sydney because he thought it would be fun for the child. It may have been for the few seconds before the 3rd degree burns started developing. This kind of cretin is the reason for this kind of warning.

      I'd say that this kind of cretin is the reason whe shouldn't have warnings. The genes of people like that need to be culled from the gene pool.

      I truly and honestly think the word with be a better place if we stopped preventing evolution from working properly by protecting people from the consequences of their actions. Ban seat belts. Give the careful drivers an edge in survival of their genes on compared to careless drivers. Ban virus killers. Let the sensible computer users become more productive.
      And stop thinking that kids are stupid and lack common sense, or they will surely become idiots without common sense. Like their parents, but even worse.

    4. Re:Reason for this kind of warning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Erm, why is this modded troll?

      Maybe the guy who did it has mod points...

    5. Re:Reason for this kind of warning by Princeofcups · · Score: 1

      > An under-evolved hairless ape recently put an infant in the clothes dryer in Sydney because
      > he thought it would be fun for the child. It may have been for the few seconds before the
      > 3rd degree burns started developing. This kind of cretin is the reason for this kind of warning.

      Call me cynical, but I doubt that this person ever reads warning labels, much less heeds their
      advice. Face it folks. There are 4+ billion people on the planet. Someone is bound to do
      something stupid with anything.

      jfs

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  23. Powered by luck, Driven by prayers by TheCybernator · · Score: 1

    ...thats a modified punch line used by employees of a big outsourcing co.

    another interesting one on an electric cutter

    "This product not intended for use as a dental drill."

  24. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm glad you brought up the hot coffee suit. I have something you'll need to agree to. A plaintiff sued McDonald's for selling him a milkshake, which he placed between his legs while driving (sound familiar?) Because of this, he temporarialy lost his ability to drive (so he testifies) and crashed his car, causing injuries and costs to the plaintiff. Now, he never won the case, but it seems to me anyone who is in beleif of hot coffee lady needs to write that judge RIGHT NOW and explain their absolute disappointment with him for not awarding several million dollars to the plaintiff for his injuries.

    After all, the situation is identical to hot coffee lady, except this time the drink is too cold.

  25. No danger! by butterberg · · Score: 1

    'A front loader (washing machine) is just at the right height [...] for a four-year-old,' [...] I think a four-year-old precocious enough to read and understand all the warning labels hidden all over a product probably doesn't need those labels. Yep, no danger here! Well, at least as long as the label isn't put inside the machine.
    1. Re:No danger! by Non-CleverNickName · · Score: 0
      Yep, no danger here! Well, at least as long as the label isn't put inside the machine.
      That would actually be a good idea! "If you can read this, get out now!"
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  26. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by WilliamSChips · · Score: 2, Interesting

    s/lower priced/dangerous/
    That's how. Think asbestos and tobacco being sold as recommended by doctors. (Yes, that second one really happened--there used to be cigarette commercials saying "4 out of 5 doctors recommend [brand] cigarettes")
    I guess you want anybody who doesn't research every single fucking product they buy for seven years to die.

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  27. Re:So why is it bad to put a cell in the microwave by vadim_t · · Score: 1

    AFAIK, it's not really possible, as the oven will induce currents in the circuitry and fry it. Like what happens when you put something metallic inside.

  28. Do not iron? Good idea! by adenied · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The do not iron warning on the lottery ticket makes a lot of sense. How many people (outside of computer geeks) really know that most lottery tickets are printed on thermal paper? Get that warm and all of a sudden you have a black ticket that's pretty much ruined. Combine that with the fact that some people like to iron their crumpled up money and I can totally see how some people might need this warning.

  29. Not ironing the lotto ticket is borderline useful by fejwuzhere-X · · Score: 1

    The warning on the lotto ticket is there because the tickets are printed on thermal printers using thermal paper.

    If one were to iron the ticket it would become completely black. The printer only turns selected parts (the letters) black. The label probably should contain a warning not to leave in the sun as well.

    The legal purpose probably is there so no one can claim a winning ticket after they left it in their shirt pocket and had the shirt ironed.

  30. Need a label for microwave ovens... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    First prize has gone to a washing machine label urging not to put people in washers.

    Seriously, they need a label not to put babies into a microwave oven. There were several reports last year of babies dying from mysterious internal burns because their mothers put them in the microwave on high. I don't think the mothers mistaken their baby for a coffee cup.

    1. Re:Need a label for microwave ovens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > There were several reports last year of babies dying from mysterious internal burns because their mothers put them in the microwave on high.

      Yes, and there were several reports of demon possession and alien encounters as well. How about verified sources?

    2. Re:Need a label for microwave ovens... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1
  31. Re:So why is it bad to put a cell in the microwave by Tx · · Score: 1

    Yes, that is a rehtorical question because if you read /. you know why.
    I've learned many things on slashdot. That is not one of them.

    The real question is, how would an average person know? Most look like they are made of plastic which is of course microwave safe.
    If the average person doesn't know that pretty much every electronic device contains metals, then he's even dumber than I thought.

    How can we make it obvious that this is a bad idea? Or better yet, how can we make it possible that no damage will occur to either device then this happens?
    While you're in the business of pandering to morons, why don't you figure out how to make gasoline that doesn't burn, knives that don't cut, etc? Or maybe, just maybe, we should assume that the average person isn't a complete dumbass, eh?

    How do you make your products work well, be bulletproof, be easy to use, do what the customer needs doing, and yet not cost a fortune.
    The phrase you're looking for is "idiot-proof", however I grant you that bulletproof is synonymous with that a lot more often than one might expect.

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  32. Not your usual warning label... by IpSo_ · · Score: 4, Funny

    This isn't your usual warning label on a pair of jeans.

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  33. Most Redundant Warning Label by Nighttime · · Score: 1

    A few years ago, I bought a packet of peanuts. As I had to watch my fat and salt levels I was looking over the packaging for the nutritional information, when I found Warning: Contains peanuts. Um, like the fact that it says peanuts on the front of the packet isn't enough of a clue for someone with a peanut allergy?

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    1. Re:Most Redundant Warning Label by splodus · · Score: 1

      No offence, but this is a pet peeve of mine; Given that the manufacturer has a policy of putting a warning 'Contains peanuts' on the packaging of food products that contain peanuts, it would strike me as very odd indeed if they missed the warning off a food product containing almost nothing BUT peanuts!!

    2. Re:Most Redundant Warning Label by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chunky peanut butter: May contain peanuts.

      Well, I certainly hope so.

    3. Re:Most Redundant Warning Label by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iv had a peanut snack like this, but it said may contain a trace amount of peanuts. it better contain more than a trace amount.

    4. Re:Most Redundant Warning Label by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      Sainsbury's mixed nuts used to have a warning saying 'warning may contain nuts.' I presumed this was in case you got one without nuts, so you wouldn't be surprised.

      More seriously, peanuts are not actually nuts, so if it says 'contains nuts' on the packet then that's actually misleading advertising...

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  34. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

    McDonalds coffee has caused people who tried to drink it to get third-degree burns on their mouth and stomach. The Stella Awards site gives some bullshit about how that's how hot you're supposed to have it, which is bullshit unless you're Starbucks and you need to have all your coffee tasting like shit instead of only some of it, but even Starbucks lets it cool down for a bit before giving you coffee hot enough to hospitalize you. I think that lawsuits like that should have a certain amount given to the defendant and then a punitive amount funneled into the government so that the companies will have an incentive to actually do things the fucking right way.

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  35. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by SnapShot · · Score: 1

    Bravo! While I personally fear that someone is going to trip on the stairs in my house and sue me -- it happens, some people are jerks -- I'm not blind to the fact that corporate interests have a vested interest in demonizing personal injury attorneys. What are the potential avenues for justice when a large, powerful, and well-funded entity (corporation, government, or whatever) actually injures you in some way?

    1. The NRA claims that just having a handgun in your house is going to protect you. But, try and "overthrow the tyranny of McDonalds" and you'll quickly see where you stand in the eyes of the law.
    2. You can write to your congressperson -- who was elected with contributions from those corporations and works for the government -- and try and get a law passed. Good luck with that.
    3. or, you can try to sue for redress in civil court.

    They are three pretty sucky options but #3 is the way our system works.

    What these warning labels display is not a legal system run amok but a severe case of corporate Cover My Ass syndrome that also happens to serve the corporate interest in making people believe that personal injury attorneys are the problem.

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  36. I really like by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:I really like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These labels were on computer bags that Tom Bihn sold (not clothing). FWIW, the company makes excellent computer backpacks and other bags, labels notwithstanding.

  37. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by nuzak · · Score: 1

    Yep, the Stella Awards people have been backpedalling: http://www.stellaawards.com/stella.html lays out some of the facts ... then in order to justify the continued use of their cheeky eponym, they throw out some of their own justifications afterward. It's still slanted (basically says nothing about McD's conduct that lead to the high punitive damages), but not quite as egregiously now.

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  38. Re:So why is it bad to put a cell in the microwave by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1
    If the average person doesn't know that pretty much every electronic device contains metals, then he's even dumber than I thought.
    A microwave oven is the only method of heating things that you can't put metals in. Not everybody studies the internals of every system they use and they might not know that metals reflect microwaves.
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  39. bash. org by ms1234 · · Score: 1

    Bash said it best http://bash.org/?4753 :)

  40. Not so fast by rinkjustice · · Score: 1

    Personally, I think a four-year-old precocious enough to read and understand all the warning labels hidden all over a product probably doesn't need those labels

    Um, when I was nine years old and my brother was at the tender age of seven, we dared each other to sit in a moving dryer. First it was my turn to go in. My brother closed the door (as per agreement) and started a cycle for about 5 seconds. Then it was my brothers turn to go in the dryer, which he did. He tumbled in there for substantially longer, about 20-30 seconds, screaming all the way (and I can only imagine the evil grin I had on my face). It was a while before he trusted me again.

    Then there was the time I zipped him up in a suitcase. Ah, them the days.

    1. Re:Not so fast by smurfsurf · · Score: 1

      And I am sure a warning label would have stopped you from doing it :-)

  41. It's all CYA still by spineboy · · Score: 1

    If the manufacturers were smart, the warning label would read -WARNING -do not use this product for anything, and please leave it in it's original packaging.

    That way anything that the buyer does is their own fault.

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  42. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm glad you brought up the hot coffee suit. I have something you'll need to agree to. A plaintiff sued McDonald's for selling him a milkshake, which he placed between his legs while driving (sound familiar?) Because of this, he temporarialy lost his ability to drive (so he testifies) and crashed his car, causing injuries and costs to the plaintiff. Now, he never won the case, but it seems to me anyone who is in beleif of hot coffee lady needs to write that judge RIGHT NOW and explain their absolute disappointment with him for not awarding several million dollars to the plaintiff for his injuries.

    After all, the situation is identical to hot coffee lady, except this time the drink is too cold.


    Hardly. The plaintiff was not driving, nor was the car moving when she got burned. She held the cup between her legs and was opening it to put in sweetener when it spilled.

    McDonald's had reports of injuries before this event; they even knew it was being served too hot to be consumed. McD's refuised to settle, and eventually lost to the tune of $500,000 - then they settled.

    This case is not, despite the FUD, a stellar example of lawsuit abuse; rather it highlights what the court system should do - hold people accountable on both sides. (The award was reduced 20% due to the plaintiffs actions being viewed as partly responsible)

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  43. Lotto ticket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah, but the one on the lotto ticket actually makes sense. The ticket is printed on thermo paper -- so if you ironed it, it would turn all black and become unreadable. This may not be immediately obvious to the general public (which may not be familiar with the details of modern printing technologies.) Of course, were the ticket crumpled up enough to warrant ironing, you probably wouldn't be able to read the warning label either.

    felix.

  44. What it should have said is... by ripnet · · Score: 1

    It should have read something along the lines of "Warning: A Child recently died after climbing into this hole".

  45. Re:What happens when the warning negates the purpo by Knuckles · · Score: 2, Insightful

    what was it that I bought??

    You bought a cheap bike for an activity that would need good, heavy-duty gear (i.e., not cheap)

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  46. Re:So why is it bad to put a cell in the microwave by notthepainter · · Score: 1

    Of course it isn't possible. That isn't the point.

    How do we make my Mom for example, know that that this isn't safe?

    A label won't cut it.

  47. My favorite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was working as an auto technician I found the following warning on the package of a Goodyear fanbelt. "Do not install belt while engine is running". My second favorite was a coffee pot I owned which had the following warning printed on the glass carafe. "Do no use as a weapon".

  48. It's a warning sign rather than a label... by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...but it is the funniest one ever.

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    1. Re:It's a warning sign rather than a label... by guywcole · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have to relate a shameful story to you. I was walking across campus with a friend of mine a couple years ago. He grabbed me all of a suden and pulled me back, right as a parking gate lowered in front me. Sure enough, there was a warning sign on the gate (right where it would have hit me, too) with a man being cracked over the head by the gate.

      Now, I think that warning could be useful, except for one problem:
      It's hard to read when the gate is about to hit you on the head.

  49. Labels for the manufacturers by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Parent has a good point.

    The most extreme example I've seen is a box of Q-tips. So far, most of the labels menioned have been to prevent stupid use of a product. In this case, the manufacturer puts on a label to allegedly prevent the intended use.
    Everybody knows what Q-tips are used for: to clean the ear canal. They were designed for that. Yet the box currently has a warning in bold block letters: DO NOT USE SWAB IN EAR CANAL. The label also lists - with pictures! - all the things that their lawers think they should be used for: removing makeup, cleaning your keyboard, etc.
    This is all done just to protect themselves from lawsuits.

    1. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by MrHanky · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, you shouldn't use a Q-tip to clean your ear. It shoves the earwax further in, and does far more damage than good. No doctor would ever recommend Q-tips for ear cleaning. Yes, it's probably the originally intended use, but good intentions don't always give good results. Q-tips are still kind of neat for other uses, though.

    2. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by legirons · · Score: 1

      "Well, you shouldn't use a Q-tip to clean your ear. It shoves the earwax further in, and does far more damage than good. No doctor would ever recommend Q-tips for ear cleaning."

      They should stop selling them then, if they can't safely be used for the task they're designed for

    3. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by FormOfActionBanana · · Score: 1

      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

      I would die without my daily Q-tip double eargasm.

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    4. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by chameleon3 · · Score: 3, Funny

      most extreme example I've encountered is lighter fluid that has WARNING: FLAMMABLE written all over it. Well, it BETTER be flammable, right?

    5. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      Why?

      IIRC, Kleenex was originally intended to remove makeup. But then it turned out people used them to blow their nose. I use them to clean my glasses. I mean, who cares if it doesn't do what it was intended for originally if it can be useful for something else?

    6. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by reanjr · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's bullshit. After getting an ear infection for the first time, my doctor told me stop using Q tips. I did so and I got 4 more ear infections over the following year. I started using Q Tips again and haven't had one since. Perhaps if used improperly they could push gunk down the canal, but not if you know how to use it. Think of a dentist who tells you never to scrape your teeth, especially with metal. You go in for a cleaning and they take out a metal hook and scrape your teeth. It's all about proper use and idiots who don't know how to do it properly.

    7. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      I'm sure you used a control group as well for your exemplary scientific experiment.

    8. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by matt21811 · · Score: 1

      If he tested with and then without the product, effectively, he has used a control group.

    9. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      No, that's not how a control group works. This is on par with saying that someone died from cancer after s/he quit smoking, hence it's bad to quit smoking. It's not even pseudo-science.

    10. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's why I use my house keys. Gets in, gives the old ear canal a good scraping, gets rid of any ear wax without leaving behind any lint, and it feels SOOOoooo goooOOOoooood!

    11. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      who cares if it doesn't do what it was intended for originally if it can be useful for something else?
      ... like all the coke snorters who use Preparation H to "reduce the painful irritation and swelling" of the sensitive tissues in their noses.

      True story - when the Hell's Angels started a chapter in Trois-Rivieres, sales of Preparation H tripled, all due to the increase in the local coke trade.

    12. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Warning: FLAMMABLE. http://www.answers.com/flammable

      Easily ignited and capable of burning rapidly; inflammable.

      Warning: INFLAMMABLE. http://www.answers.com/inflammable

      Easily ignited and capable of burning rapidly; flammable.

      So, just to cya, WARNING: INFLAMMABLE FLAMMABLE. or should that be WARNING: FLAMMABLE INFLAMMABLE?

    13. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by JourneyExpertApe · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but that's just not true, at least not if they're used correctly. I use Q-tips after I shower to dry and clean my ear canals, and I don't have a problem with wax build up. I insert the swab in without pressing against the walls of the canal. Then I press down and pull it back out. I do the same thing to clean the top of the canal. No muss. No fuss.

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    14. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by complete+loony · · Score: 1

      What? Speak up!

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    15. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by Silverlock · · Score: 1
      No doctor would ever recommend Q-tips for ear cleaning.

      Actually, my doctor did recommend it to me. I had to have hydrochloric acid poured in my ear when I was about 12 to remove the wax. He told me to regularly use Q-tips, just not to jam it straight down my ear canal. Trust me, having acid poured in your ear is good motivation to do whatever it takes to avoid it in the future.
    16. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by Anonymous+McCartneyf · · Score: 1

      I'll raise you one.
      The M-Law "Wacky Warning" site includes a warning label from a fireplace lighter.
      It says something like, "Warning: do not use near fire or flame."
      So, we are not to use that fireplace lighter near fires or flames? Doesn't it make flames?

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    17. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      Think of a dentist who tells you never to scrape your teeth, especially with metal. You go in for a cleaning and they take out a metal hook and scrape your teeth.

      Is Bill Cosby posting to /. under a pseudonym now?

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    18. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      So, we are not to use that fireplace lighter near fires or flames? Doesn't it make flames? Precisely! Didn't your mother tell you not to play with fire? You could start a fire, burn yourself, or burn the house down! So, if you do any of that using that lighter, they're not liable. They told you right on the label not to use it near fire or flame in an attempt to warn you not to burn the place down.

      On a lighter note, I recently found a new favorite laundry label. (linked to my site because the site it was from seems to have regularly changing URLs. Originally from extremefunnypictures.com).

      Also, ye olde sharp sign and bible.

      I'm not sure whether it was photoshopped, but I recently saw some pictures of a rather low-hanging sign above an escalator warning people not to hit their head on the sign above the escalator. Unfortunately, I can't find a link right now.
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    19. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by totally+bogus+dude · · Score: 1
      I'm not sure whether it was photoshopped, but I recently saw some pictures of a rather low-hanging sign above an escalator warning people not to hit their head on the sign above the escalator. Unfortunately, I can't find a link right now.

      Possibly you're referring to this bizarre self-referential sign?

      This is one of the most bizarre signs I have ever encountered. The sign is comical in itself: stick figure rides up the escalator and bumps his head on a hanging sign, the impact causing VIOLENT RED RAYS OF PAIN. Beware! All is well and good until, armed with a newfound caution, you look around for the offending object and realize that IT'S A SIGN ABOUT THE SIGN ITSELF.

    20. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure whether it was photoshopped, but I recently saw some pictures of a rather low-hanging sign above an escalator warning people not to hit their head on the sign above the escalator. Unfortunately, I can't find a link right now.

      Possibly you're referring to this bizarre self-referential sign?

      This is one of the most bizarre signs I have ever encountered. The sign is comical in itself: stick figure rides up the escalator and bumps his head on a hanging sign, the impact causing VIOLENT RED RAYS OF PAIN. Beware! All is well and good until, armed with a newfound caution, you look around for the offending object and realize that IT'S A SIGN ABOUT THE SIGN ITSELF.

      Thank you, yes, that was it. Regardless of the logical explanation at the link you gave, I'm still laughing.
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    21. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you clean your ears a lot or shower very little ?

    22. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by Bertie · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm a Dremel man myself. Is there nothing they can't do?

    23. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by jjthegreat · · Score: 1
      This is why you clean em out after a hot shower or have been swimming for a while. The wax gets all nice and gooey and gets absorbed into the cotton easily. Nothing gets pushed in and your hearing stays great!

      Whats that? I think I hear something ringing..

    24. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I remove large amounts of ear wax when I use them. When I don't, I have had my ears completely plugged up with ear wax. I am far better off shoving Q-tips far into my ear canal than not. Q-tips are designed to be shoved deep into the ear canal, and they are useful for that purpose.

    25. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      At least it's confident about the properties of the contents. You can get bags of mixed nuts which warn you "This product may contain nuts" (my emphasis).

    26. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by Jetekus · · Score: 1

      It's true. Q-tips (as you apparently call them in the US) are one of the leading causes of damage to the ear drum.

    27. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by Anonymous+McCartneyf · · Score: 1

      Is that warning label on that Holy Bible real, or is it photoshopped?

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    28. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      Is that warning label on that Holy Bible real, or is it photoshopped? I really am not sure if that one was photoshopped or not. I do know that, a while back, there was a movement to put similar warning labels on bibles, particularly gideon bibles in hotels, in response to the warning labels placed on evolution textbooks stating that students should remember that it was "just a theory". So I know people really did put similar labels on bibles, but I'm not sure if that's real or not.
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    29. Re:Labels for the manufacturers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the key slices so much easier in the lock.

  50. Not heard of thumbnails? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe there should some sort of rule against submitting links to sites run be people who don't understand the concept of thumbnails and providing a link to the larger version of the image. I'm talking about this page http://www.mlaw.org/wwl/photos.html

  51. On your next 1040 by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    Warning: from this year forward there will no longer be public subsidization of the results of your libido. No more tax exemptions for children. $9000 will be added to your tax bill for each child you have from next year forward to cover public education expenses. If you want them educated somewhere else, provide receipts for deduction up to $9000 maximum per child. Uncompensated instructors (home schoolers) will be compensated at a rate of current federal minimum wage divided by 25 (for theoretical average public class size) times 5.5 hours (school day) x 180 days schooling, currently $204 per child per year. Note: uncompensated instructors claiming the $204 per child will be subject to 15% self-empoyment taxes. Fees will be subject to increases each year to keep up with cost of education, and will be added until such child reaches 18 years old. If you can't keep your kids in school 'til they're 18, consider the tax a parental penalty for truancy.

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    1. Re:On your next 1040 by Ironsides · · Score: 1

      Uncompensated instructors (home schoolers) will be compensated at a rate of current federal minimum wage divided by 25 (for theoretical average public class size) times 5.5 hours (school day) x 180 days schooling, currently $204 per child per year. Note: uncompensated instructors claiming the $204 per child will be subject to 15% self-empoyment taxes. Fees will be subject to increases each year to keep up with cost of education, and will be added until such child reaches 18 years old. If you can't keep your kids in school 'til they're 18, consider the tax a parental penalty for truancy.

      I think your math is off by a bit. First, $204*25=$5100. I'd love to know where in the US a teacher can live on that amount. Second, you are not including the costs of desks, books, buildings, busing, electricity, and other portions of the school budget. My county spends about $10,000/year/student. Give half that, and then we'll talk.

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    2. Re:On your next 1040 by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Interesting

      $9k was an arbitrary number, but probably close to the US average spent per student in public schools. I won't argue over 10%.

      I'm not saying you could hire an educator for minimum wage. I'm saying that as compensation, the government should at least allow you to claim the federal minimum wage for the required contact hours, adjusted for class size (you're kids get the benefit of a low instructor-student ratio at your expense). Since there are no special federal education requirements, licensing exams, or annual education requirements for home educators, a reasonable compensation is FMW - it's the lowest common denominator. You're not doing it to save money - you're doing it because you want them to get a "better" education (however it is you define better - eveyone does it differently).

      Expenses are deductible, I just suggested a statutory labor deduction for home school instructors who do not get paid. If you want to pay your spouse $40,000 per year, along with the payroll taxes and such, you can deduct up to $9,000 of the expense. Be my guest. Just remember that you'll pay income, employment, FUTA, and local taxes on that money. Books are deductible. Buildings and electricity must be carefully justified, just as in a home based business - if you use that space for any other purpose, it's probably not deductible. If you sell your house with a dedicated addition, you must claim the proceeds (as a portion of your basis) as a capital gain for any deduction you've taken.

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  52. Perhaps some labels aren't for real. by Catmeat · · Score: 1

    Perhaps some of the labels aren't for real, it's just lawyers trolling.

    There's an urban legend of a Superman costume with the lable "Warning, does not enable user to fly." If I was on the legal team of a company, I'd have great fun tacking on nonsense warnings like this. It would be kind've the legal equivalent of an Easter Egg.

    1. Re:Perhaps some labels aren't for real. by Pembers · · Score: 1
      There's an urban legend of a Superman costume with the lable "Warning, does not enable user to fly."

      Probably it is an urban legend, but I thought that one was fairly sensible, given who's likely to be wearing the costume. Consider: you're four years old and like watching Superman on TV. You've figured out that Superman and Clark Kent are really the same person, but for some reason, Clark never outruns (outflies?) a speeding bullet or leaps tall buildings in a single bound. What's the difference? Clark just wears a boring blue suit like millions of other guys, but Superman wears this cool costume with the underpants outside. Obviously, therefore, the costume must be the source of Superman's powers... [*]

      [*] I didn't believe this when I was four. I read the comics, where you can see that Clark has the Superman costume underneath his suit. Besides, you couldn't buy superhero costumes in those days, and I must have known that one I improvised wouldn't have the special powers of the real thing...

    2. Re:Perhaps some labels aren't for real. by linuxbert · · Score: 1

      Im not sure, but its plausable. Some kid visiting New York had a Superman costume and was staying at the Waldorf Astoria, he figured he could fly, and jummped out the window. Celine Dion has a song, "Le Fils De Superman" about this.

    3. Re:Perhaps some labels aren't for real. by jrockway · · Score: 1

      > Celine Dion has a song, "Le Fils De Superman" about this.

      What's there to sing about? Lalala fell out the window lalalala?

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      My other car is first.
  53. Re:So why is it bad to put a cell in the microwave by smurfsurf · · Score: 1

    They might not know it, but if they don't, they have to educate themselves before they do something. Microwave ovens are marketed as "for heating food". If they go with "I just try it" ( = experiment ), they have to live with the negative consequences, if they are any.

  54. Prying with a Crowbar by camperdave · · Score: 3, Funny

    Perhaps they meant "Do not use to be nosey", as in "Me and my crowbar Guido would likes to know when yous'll be giving Mr. Angelino his money back.".

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  55. Re:What happens when the warning negates the purpo by smurfsurf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, Suzuki markets the R-1000 with "own the racetrack". But they refuse any warranty if you indeed use it on for racing. KTM also refuses any warranty if you use their competition-ready enduros (and they are) in competition.

  56. Re: Practicality better than litigation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Anyone who needs a warning label to tell them not to go into a washing machine and turn it on deserves to be removed from the gene pool for gross stupidity.

    Yes, how about doing something PRACTICAL to solve the problem, like, say, putting a LOCK on the machine. Of course it should open from the inside without a key.

  57. How to make stupid lawsuits go away. by andol221 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The problem in America is that the plaintiff is awarded what the respondent able to pay. In Sweden there are almost the same possibilities to sue as in the US, but practically no lawsuits of "I burnt my self on Mc Donald's coffee, they must pay me $$$$$" because the courts only award whats the injury is supposed to be worth, in a by law established way. In this reasoning a burning your self on a cup of coffee is probably worth $2 or $3, but not more. Law suite problem gone!

    1. Re:How to make stupid lawsuits go away. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the spilt coffee case, $2-$3 would seem pretty unreasonably low by any standard, considering that the lady was hospitalized for over a week.

      Third degree burns are hardly trivial.

    2. Re:How to make stupid lawsuits go away. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I were you, I would research the McDonalds Coffee case because its not as stupid as you make it out to be.
      They were knowingly selling coffee at temperatures that cause 3rd degree burns.

    3. Re:How to make stupid lawsuits go away. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The problem in America is that the plaintiff is awarded what the respondent able to pay.

      Well, one of the problems is that the respondent has to sue. I was recently looking into laws in a country other than the US, and you are not allowed to sue for negligence in most circumstances. Why? Because you should be able to get medical costs, reembursement for being out of work and so on. However, since the particular country has free health care and a welfare system much more comprehensive than the US (as well as lower taxes than the US), there is nothing you could really gain, so the government doesn't allow stupid lawsuits.

      And no, I'm not going to tell you which country. It's mine. My application for residency is on file. I guess that makes me a rat and the US a sinking ship. The insanity of lawsuits is only one small symptom of the huge problem facing us. There is a simple fix, but no one would want it. The evil you know is better than change.

  58. Spin cycle=120 G's by theonetruekeebler · · Score: 3, Informative
    A friend of mine's father was an E.R. doctor who occasionally worked with the county coroner's office. More than once, he told me, he's had to deal with the remains of a six-year-old boy who evidently thought something along the line of,
    1. Spinning is fun
    2. The washing machine spins
    3. I should go for a ride.
    So they set the dial, climb in and close the lid. Within seconds the G-forces are so intense they can't move their arms to open the lid. Seconds later they can't breathe. Seconds after that the blood is forced out of their brain and they're unconscious. This is an incredible blessing because in less than a minute the skin on their back has ruptured and all the blood and bile and lymph is being flung out of their bodies and pumped away by the washer. The sixty pound unbalanced load is chump change compared to the hundred and sixty pounds of water a washer usually has to spin out. And those sixty pound boys, he told me, get spun down to about thirty pounds of bones and mush.

    18 G's is fatal. Washers subject their load to several minutes G's forces comparable to driving into a concrete wall at 100MPH. So yeah, a little label reminding the grownups that a washing machine will kill the shit out of anything or anybody put in it is a bad idea.

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    1. Re:Spin cycle=120 G's by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 3, Funny
      This is an incredible blessing because in less than a minute the skin on their back has ruptured and all the blood and bile and lymph is being flung out of their bodies and pumped away by the washer.
      Whiter than white. As advertised.
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    2. Re:Spin cycle=120 G's by Splab · · Score: 1

      Thank you, always nice to have new things haunting you in your dreams...

    3. Re:Spin cycle=120 G's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please, please, put a disclaimer before you describe something like that again. This'll take a few days to put out of my mind.

    4. Re:Spin cycle=120 G's by J0nne · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be better to just make it impossible to turn on the machine while you're inside it? In fact, I don't think any machine I've seen would allow that.

      They could get a friend to turn on the machine for them, of course, but the friend would hopefully be able to turn it off on time too...

    5. Re:Spin cycle=120 G's by labnet · · Score: 3, Informative

      I very much doubt this could ever happen.

      Have you ever tried spinning an out of ballance load in a washing machine.
      You won't get it past about 100rpm.
      Myth Busters also tried this (albiet with an Adult) and is was way busted.

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    6. Re:Spin cycle=120 G's by Brandybuck · · Score: 3, Informative

      Bullshit.

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    7. Re:Spin cycle=120 G's by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1
      Wouldn't it be better to just make it impossible to turn on the machine while you're inside it? In fact, I don't think any machine I've seen would allow that.

      1. Turn on machine with door open.
      2. Get inside.
      3. Close door.

      - RG>
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    8. Re:Spin cycle=120 G's by aethera · · Score: 1

      I work with appliances and can tell you that any US toploader would allow a small enough child to do this. Set the dial properly, pull out the knob and as soon as you close the door the machine will go into spin cycle. Front loaders have latches that I think would make it difficult to fully close from the the inside. I have a hard time figuring how a 6 year old would fit in a washer, although I was a pretty clever at that age. A three, four, or smaller five year old would would fit easily. As for the poster below who commented on the load being out of balance, I'm not so sure. I bet to fit you sort of have to curl yourself in around the agitator, which would mostly balance out the load. I do have a few doubts. An old 50s or 60s washer, the ones made mostly out of car parts and pulleys tend to have small baskets. Newer machines are less steel and more plastic, and while the baskets are huge and the spin is faster, I'm not sure they are stong enough.

    9. Re:Spin cycle=120 G's by jamesh · · Score: 1

      I think the one they used on mythbusters was a smaller top loading domestic unit, and the myth they were testing was that someone stood in the thing while it was on. The parents anecdote i think was referring to commercial frontloading machines large enough to actually fit a person inside. I'm not convinced of the accuracy of the anecdote in question, but i don't think you can compare it to what they tested on mythbusters.

    10. Re:Spin cycle=120 G's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Bullshit.

      Indeed.

      That said, I just took a tape measure to my own washing machine. The drum is about 11 inches in radius (0.28 meters). If my math is correct, it produces 110 gees of centrifugal force when spinning at 600 RPM.

    11. Re:Spin cycle=120 G's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BS.

      First the washer fills with water. There are no G-forces when this is happening. Then only the agitator moves intermittantly during the wash cyle. The basket doesn't spin until the first rinse cycle.

      And John Paul Stapp has proven 18 G's by itself is not fatal. It depends on the time and orientation of the body.

    12. Re:Spin cycle=120 G's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess, you have the only washer in the world that doesn't let you turn the knob directly to the spin cycle.

    13. Re:Spin cycle=120 G's by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      So where's a YouTube link?

    14. Re:Spin cycle=120 G's by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1
      Let's do the math:

      Centripedal acceleration: a = -w^2 * r

      (I can't find my lower case omega key)

      You state a = 120g = 9.81*120 = 1177m/s^2

      1177 = w^2 * r

      I measured my washer, r = 28cm = .28m

      4200 = w^2

      w = 64.8 radians per second

      1 revolution = 2*pi radians

      Angular velocity = 10 revolutions per second = 600 revs per minute

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    15. Re:Spin cycle=120 G's by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      If my math is correct, it produces 110 gees of centrifugal force when spinning at 600 RPM.

      But there's no way in hell you can get it to 600 RPM with a kid in it.

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    16. Re:Spin cycle=120 G's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aw come on, it's fun! The tough part is getting out again.

    17. Re:Spin cycle=120 G's by Splab · · Score: 1

      A quick google on washer rpm's gives a lot of pages showing above 1k RPM's, and with a small child inside 600RPM's isn't out of the question.

  59. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by bouis · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    And now nobody can buy hot coffee! Aren't you glad we have an army of lawyers defending us [and making themselves rich in the process]?

  60. Why Corporations Hate Warning Lables by ubuwalker31 · · Score: 1

    The underlying reason why businesses and corporations hate and despise warning labels is that they dislike the fact that they can be held liable under the law for injuries and damages NOT CAUSED BY NEGLIGENCE, but simply by putting a product out on the market.

    Why is this so? Because the manufacturer of a product is in a better position than the consumer to know of its particular dangers. Therefore it is more reasonable to impose the burden of finding and correcting such dangers upon the manufacturer than imposing the burden of finding and avoiding unsafe products upon the consumer.

    For every bad example of warning labels you can pull out of your hat, I can name ten good examples of warning labels that are absolutely necessary. For example, "Don't try to remove grass clogging lawn mower before turning off" and "buckle your seat belt" and "do not step on top step of ladder" and "do not use hair dryer in bathtub". These are all things that ordinary prudent people think are safe to do, but really aren't.

    "Never use a lit match or open flame to check fuel level" seems pretty silly, but I have seen a number of people do this, seemingly unaware that gas fumes can ignite.

    The whole point of allowing people to recover in strict liability for the failure to warn of a danger is that both parties are at fault, and someone has to pay for the injuries and damages. Our society has decided that it should be the corporation or business with big pockets, not the consumer. Maybe we could change this policy choice by making the State pay for all of our medical expenses instead...but of course, no one wants that. Or do they? Either way, we all pay the cost for stupid people, stupid designs, and defective products. The real question is who pays. Corporations want the consumers to pay. Consumers want anyone but them to pay. So, whats the solution? Making fun of warning labels isn't the answer.

    1. Re:Why Corporations Hate Warning Lables by JoshJ · · Score: 1

      Most of your examples are okay, but "don't try to remove grass clogging lawn mower before turning off" is certainly an example of something that's a problem caused by excess stupidity.

    2. Re:Why Corporations Hate Warning Lables by Ironsides · · Score: 1

      For every bad example of warning labels you can pull out of your hat, I can name ten good examples of warning labels that are absolutely necessary. For example, "Don't try to remove grass clogging lawn mower before turning off" and "buckle your seat belt" and "do not step on top step of ladder" and "do not use hair dryer in bathtub". These are all things that ordinary prudent people think are safe to do, but really aren't.

      I think we have different expectancies of people. To me, putting my hands anywhere near a fast moving piece of metal (lawnmower blade) is dangerous. Buckle your Seat Belt is THE LAW and common sense. Not stepping on the top step of a ladder is common sense for anything but a step stool. Finally, a Hair Dryer is an electric device. I've been taught since elementary not to get electric devices wet. How are any of these NOT common sense?

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    3. Re:Why Corporations Hate Warning Lables by ubuwalker31 · · Score: 1

      Well, if you have ever operated certain models of older mowers, you would know how much of a pain in the ass it is to get it started using that cord. Most older mowers had a setting called "idle" that would stop the blades from rotating. I always used a stick to clean out the gunk, but I'll never forget the time when that thing started spinning around when I tapped it just right. Someone in our town lost a hand doing just that a year or two later. Now most mowers have a safety bar and warnings. Still, lots of people get hurt. Every year, nearly 80,000 Americans go to the hospital for injuries caused by lawn mowers, according to http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/features_healthbl og/2006/04/summers_almost_.html .

    4. Re:Why Corporations Hate Warning Lables by ubuwalker31 · · Score: 1

      I agree that most of these examples could have been prevented with "common sense".

      But of course, what is common sense to you and me, is not common sense to someone else. Teenagers, the elderly, accountants, and the technically non-proficient and the plain ignorant use dangerous household machinery, like lawnmowers and toasters, and don't appreciate all of the dangers. We have to be taught that doing certain things are dangerous, like not using a hair dryer in the bathtub, or buckling your seat belt (it wasn't always the law, and lots of people still don't...thats why you find warnings in cars still, and all of those traffic safety commercials). Also keep in mind that these machines aren't all standardized and have different safety features, so familiarity with one doesn't imply familiarity with another.

      But your missing my major point of my original post. Whose fault it is...does not matter in the eyes of the law. If the company failed to warn...they are liable. It is a policy choice. Common Sense doesn't factor into the analysis.

    5. Re:Why Corporations Hate Warning Lables by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Warnings can sound rather ridiculous when read by a calm individual of sound mind. But not everyone is calm.

      Most people would not choose to microwave their cell phones. But suppose that your cell phone did get wet. Would you panic? Would you freak out? Might the microwave seem a plausible solution to your crisis, if you didn't know how to fix it?

    6. Re:Why Corporations Hate Warning Lables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For example, "Don't try to remove grass clogging lawn mower before turning off" and "buckle your seat belt" and "do not step on top step of ladder" and "do not use hair dryer in bathtub". These are all things that ordinary prudent people think are safe to do, but really aren't.

      I beg to differ. Anyone who thinks that removing the clog in your lawn mower while it's running or using the hair dryer in the bathtub is safe is by definition not prudent. Unfortunately, probably ordinary.

    7. Re:Why Corporations Hate Warning Lables by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      If electronics get wet I leave them to dry and hope they work afterwards. I wouldn't try an oven or anything because I'd expect moving air to work a lot better than hot air, even if I didn't know that a microwave will fry the electronics or only heats the water molecules.

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  61. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by jc42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    McDonald's had reports of injuries before this event; they even knew it was being served too hot to be consumed. McD's refuised to settle, and eventually lost to the tune of $500,000 - then they settled.

    Indeed. And a number of articles on the case have pointed out that McDonald's also served hot chocolate at the same scalding temperature as their coffee. Hot chocolate is mostly drunk by children. McDonald's management knew this, had reports of injuries from both the coffee and the hot chocolate, but failed to lower the temperature. Endangering children like this is a level of irresponsibility that's a bit much for even the most rabid Social Darwinists.

    Also, followups have pointed out that the lawsuit had the desired effect. McDonald's lowered their serving temperature for both coffee and hot chocolate to a more reasonable 140F (60C).

    Another footnote was that most of the settlement went to pay the victim's lawyers; she reportedly got less money than her hospital bills.

    [I tried to get a degree symbol into those temperatures, but none of the standard HTML "entity" encodings worked. ;-]

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  62. My two favourites by HappyHead · · Score: 2, Funny

    My second favourite warning label that I've seen is on the fire starting logs you can buy at the local grocery store - the front says "Start fires easily! Burns fast and clean!", and the back says "Warning: Contents are flammable". Well I should certainly HOPE so!

    The absolute best I've seen though, in the same store even, was something I deeply regret not buying and taking home to show people as proof right then. It was the store's brand of peanut-brittle (a candy made mostly of peanuts) and the warning label said "Warning: MAY contain peanuts" (You mean they're not SURE? I think they need to re-check their manufacturing process if they think there's a chance that there might not be peanuts in the peanut brittle.) Sadly, that one went off the shelves a week later and hasn't been back since...

    1. Re:My two favourites by Rhesusmonkey · · Score: 1

      peanut brittle nothing, packages of peanuts have the "May contain peanuts" warning. Madness

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    2. Re:My two favourites by Cimon+Avaro · · Score: 1

      On the same lines, I bought a package of sleeping bills in the US, which contained a warning in 24 point letters. "Warning, may cause drowsiness!!!" Well, DUH!

  63. I have a client who manufactures ladders... by Panaqqa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And we talked about warning labels at one point because some of the ones on his products are so silly. For example, "Do not rest top of ladder against power line(s)."

    He was telling me that within a few years, nobody will be manufacturing ladders in the United States anymore, and it will become impossible to buy a ladder. The reason? There are so many frivolous lawsuits against manufacturers, distributors and retailers of ladders that the cost of defending them and/or insurance against claims will make it a money losing proposition.

    1. Re:I have a client who manufactures ladders... by westlake · · Score: 1
      He was telling me that within a few years, nobody will be manufacturing ladders in the United States anymore

      The more interesting question is who will buying a ladder years from now.

      Integrated storm-screen windows that can be cleaned from inside. Vinyl siding that never needs repainting. LED floods that burn for five years.

      The 40 foot orchard ladder disappeared from my father's farm twenty years ago. The introduction of dwarf trees cut labor costs and accidents dramatically.

    2. Re:I have a client who manufactures ladders... by louden+obscure · · Score: 1

      The more interesting question is who will buying a ladder years from now.

      obviously, people that can't master levitation will still need ladders. my contractor still has to buy them, it makes the roofing trade a bit easier...

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  64. Indoor/Outdoor Christmas Lights by camperdave · · Score: 1

    ... intended for Indoor or Outdoor use only.

    That plainly means that the lights must be indoors only, or outdoors only. Stringing them through a doorway so that they are both indoors and outdoors is dangerous. The opening and closing of the door may cause the wiring to fray, leading to possible fire or electrocution hazard.

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    1. Re:Indoor/Outdoor Christmas Lights by LordHugeMongus · · Score: 1

      That plainly means that the lights must be indoors only, or outdoors only. Stringing them through a doorway so that they are both indoors and outdoors is dangerous. The opening and closing of the door may cause the wiring to fray, leading to possible fire or electrocution hazard. Don't forget that you cannot use them ON a door! However breaking thru to the inside of a door, hollowing it out if it is not already hollow, then putting the lights inside is just fine. :)
    2. Re:Indoor/Outdoor Christmas Lights by Greventls · · Score: 1

      If that was the case, shouldn't they have used XOR instead?

  65. Bad engrish is contained generously by ameline · · Score: 2, Funny


    My favorite label warns about the following;

    A dangerous toy. This toy is being made for the extreme priority the good looks. The little part which suffocates when the sharp part which gets hurt is swallowed is contained generously. Only the person who can take responsibility by itself is to play.

    I'm not sure how they arrived at this translation from Japanese, but there it is.

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    1. Re:Bad engrish is contained generously by pafrusurewa · · Score: 1

      That's great. I really love Engrish.

      A couple of years ago I stayed at a hotel in Laos. They had house rules in both Lao and English. One of the rules read (in English): "Visitors will not be laundered or cooked in the room."

    2. Re:Bad engrish is contained generously by jci · · Score: 1

      What just made this even better?

      I just had the voice of Christopher Walken going through my head as I read it.

  66. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by Kreigaffe · · Score: 1

    You seem to be misusing the term "Social Darwinism".

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  67. Large Appliance Entrapment Deaths of Children by westlake · · Score: 2, Informative
    The labels are pretty ridiculous but they are for the parents not the kids.

    Not so ridiculous as you might think:

    The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) has received reports of numerous suffocation deaths involving children who crawled inside latch type freezers, clothes dryers, combination washer/dryer units, picnic coolers, iceboxes in campers, and old-style latch type refrigerators. Most of the victims were 4 to 7 years old. In all cases, the doors could not be easily pushed open from the inside. In some of the incidents associated with clothes dryers, the appliance was accidentally turned on while the child was inside.

    Frequently, the children were playing "hide-and-seek" and the appliance or chest provided a deceptively good place to hide. When the door slammed shut, the tight fitting gasket on most of the appliances cut off air to the child. This, along with the insulated construction of the appliance, also prevented the child's screams from being heard. But abandoned appliances are not the only items involved with accidents like these. Entrapment deaths have been reported in products in use or stored in the kitchen, laundry room, basement, or garage. Deaths also have occurred in iceboxes located in campers parked outside the home. Preventing Large Appliance Entrapment Deaths to Children

    1. Re:Large Appliance Entrapment Deaths of Children by 1u3hr · · Score: 1

      The labels are pretty ridiculous but they are for the parents not the kids.
      Not so ridiculous as you might think:
      The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) has received reports of numerous suffocation deaths


      Sorry, that is still ridiculous. Yes, it's a real risk, but putting a label on it in no way reduces that risk.

      Here in Hong Kong we are inundated with a series of inane "public service announcements" that beggar belief. One classic warned people against throwing waste out the window of apartment buildings... showing a "careless" person throwing a televison out the window on unsuspecitng children.

      People do stupid things not because they don't know it's dangerous, but because they don't care. The "tv out the window" ad was probbaly inspired by a real event. But the person who did throw large dangerous objects out his window was mentally ill, not someone who just had forgotten the law of gravity and needed to be reminded.

    2. Re:Large Appliance Entrapment Deaths of Children by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yes, it's a real risk, but putting a label on it in no way reduces that risk.


      Putting a label on it enables the manufacturer to claim that they did what was practical to warn people of the risk, and thus presents some defense against lawsuits based on their being aware of the risk but concealing it. Now, its unlikely that most such lawsuits would succeed, and its not all that clear that such a warning would necessary actually adequately protect them against any that would. But its extremely cheap to put the warning on, and it might have some utility in either discouraging lawsuits from being filed or in defeating ones that are filed, so they'll do it.

      Whether it actually reduces risk to other people is about the last thing manufacturers care about.
    3. Re:Large Appliance Entrapment Deaths of Children by westlake · · Score: 1
      Here in Hong Kong we are inundated with a series of inane "public service announcements" that beggar belief. One classic warned people against throwing waste out the window of apartment buildings...

      Throwing wastes out the window has been a fact of urban life for thousands of years.

      It persisted in the american city until well within living memory. Not everyone had running water much less a toilet. I wouldn't be surprised to see it happening even now in the poorest neighborhoods.

    4. Re:Large Appliance Entrapment Deaths of Children by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Putting a label on it enables the manufacturer to claim...

      Obviously. The person I was replying to seemed to think it was about the risk to the public. It's only about the risk to the company.

    5. Re:Large Appliance Entrapment Deaths of Children by Yez70 · · Score: 2, Funny

      From my own experience, when I did play hide and seek with my little brother, I must correct this statement.

      "In some of the incidents associated with clothes dryers, the appliance was accidentally, turned on while the child was inside.

      Frequently, the children were playing "hide-and-seek" and the appliance or chest provided a deceptively good place to hide. When the door slammed shut,....
      " ....and I turned the dryer on, to show my stupid little brother it was a stupid place to hide. I then laughed hysterically after I let him out and he continued to spin.

    6. Re:Large Appliance Entrapment Deaths of Children by Original+Replica · · Score: 1

      How about a universal warning label that reads "WARNING: Darwinism in effect"

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    7. Re:Large Appliance Entrapment Deaths of Children by orkysoft · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm afraid that, in America, that will attract a whole new class of lawsuits...

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    8. Re:Large Appliance Entrapment Deaths of Children by TrickyRick · · Score: 1

      Although not a large appliance this reminds me of small children drowning in 5 gallon buckets.

      A few years ago I remember on one of the daytime talk show a family crying because when they was outside washing the car (or something) and using a 5 gallon bucket their toddler climbed in when they wasn't looking and the child drowned before they found it. I seem to remember that they thought that 5 gallon buckets should have small holes so that the water would run out before the child could drown.

    9. Re:Large Appliance Entrapment Deaths of Children by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      "Putting a label on it enables the manufacturer to claim that they did what was practical to warn people of the risk..."

      Yet they didn't make it possible to open the door from inside.

    10. Re:Large Appliance Entrapment Deaths of Children by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Here in Hong Kong we are inundated with a series of inane "public service announcements" that beggar belief. One classic warned people against throwing waste out the window of apartment buildings... showing a "careless" person throwing a televison out the window on unsuspecitng children.

      Here in Canada my sister lent her car to her daughter overnight. I said "Why in the world did you do that?" Sure enough, next day it came back with a big dent in it - some idiot had thrown a TV out the window as a joke.

      This is after the car had collected a few other dings from being borrowed for a day or two - like turning right from the left lane (What do you mean left lane - there's only one lane there ... isn't there" No, its 2 lanes each way, and you pushed the other car onto the sidewalk).

      And the post office truck with the bad parking brake that banged up one side, while nobody was in either vehicle ...

      And the russians who spoke no english, ran a red light and hit the same side ...

      There's a few I've missed ... but you get the idea. TVs out windows happen, just like other weird sh*t.

    11. Re:Large Appliance Entrapment Deaths of Children by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It persisted in the american city until well within living memory.

      Holy fuck! How old are you? Did you go to high school with Ben Franklin?

    12. Re:Large Appliance Entrapment Deaths of Children by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      We used to do this shit all time when I was growing up. The Laundromat up the road has huge ass dryers. Big enough for us to get into and stand up. We would put in a dime, turn it on cool, close the door and go for a ride.

      Looking back on my childhood I'm surprised that none of my friends and I where earmarked for Darwin awards.

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    13. Re:Large Appliance Entrapment Deaths of Children by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Throwing wastes out the window has been a fact of urban life for thousands of years.

      My point is not that this does not happen, but that continual "reminders" not to do so are annoying to the majority who don't do it, and ignored by the selfish or demented ones who do. It serves no purpose other than allowing public servants to claim they are "doing something" about a problem.

    14. Re:Large Appliance Entrapment Deaths of Children by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      but you get the idea. TVs out windows happen, just like other weird sh*t.

      At the risk of being tesious, my point is not that things like this don;t happen, but that warning notices and advertisements do nothng to prevent them, and worse thn being usekles, htey allow authorities to say they've addressed the issue.

      For instance, locally a narrow country road was often used by speeding delivery trucks. Mentioning this to the authorities, their response was "we'll put up a more speed limit signs". There are already signs, the drivers know full well they are breaking the law. Only actually enforcing it will change their behaviour.

    15. Re:Large Appliance Entrapment Deaths of Children by totally+bogus+dude · · Score: 1

      That's what I immediately thought of too, but there's probably practical limitations associated with that. After all, a door that comes open in the middle of a washing or drying cycle isn't going to rate highly with consumers, so simply having it open as the result of applying pressure from the inside won't work. Having a handle on the inside sounds like an excellent way to damage your clothing during normal operation.

      Any robust, reliable solution is probably going to add to the cost of producing the appliance; and it's likely most consumers will simply not want to pay more for such a "stupid" feature ("why would I want to be open the door from the INSIDE?!").

    16. Re:Large Appliance Entrapment Deaths of Children by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      There are already signs, the drivers know full well they are breaking the law. Only actually enforcing it will change their behaviour.

      You could always do what we did ...

      1. Go to several council meetings, expressed our anger to both the council and the police
      2. When we knew that they knew who we were ... I went to the town hall, told the mayor's secretary that a bunch of us were going to "borrow" some of the city's stop signs and put them where we thought they would do more good
      3. ... and that we had a stuffed dummy that we were going to throw in front of the first speeder we saw coming
      4. ... and that after the first speeder, we'd be blocking the road with heavy equipment (it was a major artery)

      Sure enough, on the appointed day, EVERY CAR was going well under the speed limit. Instead of 80 - 100 km/h in a 50 km/h zone, everyone was doing 30 km/h. So we went down the road to investigate. Turns out that they had done the following:

      1. Erected new 30 km/h speed limit signs (reduced from 50 km/h)
      2. Radar + lots of cops in both directions
      3. 2 Transit Commission bus tow trucks on standby if we did block the road

      They knew we were serious, and they did something about it. (It didn't hurt that I was perpared to run against the mayor if he didn't, and he knew it).

      Moral of the story - the squeeky wheel gets greased. Become a thorn in the side of the politicians (or a threat to them), and they'll do something.

    17. Re:Large Appliance Entrapment Deaths of Children by DragonWriter · · Score: 1
      Yet they didn't make it possible to open the door from inside.


      Right, exactly. And, in a lawsuit, they'll claim that doing so would have (because of the expense added to the product with such a functional change) would not have been economically practical, and maybe even would have caused the product to fail in the market against the competition because of price. They'll claim that the warning, which was far cheaper, was all that was practical for them to do given market realities.
    18. Re:Large Appliance Entrapment Deaths of Children by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Moral of the story - the squeeky wheel gets greased. Become a thorn in the side of the politicians (or a threat to them), and they'll do something.

      Good for you. But in my part of the world, the transport companies have a lot more influence with the politicians than I do. Their money counts more than my vote; and the politicians know they'll never get my vote anyway.

    19. Re:Large Appliance Entrapment Deaths of Children by Uzuri · · Score: 1

      I know this is really late to respond to this but... I'm assuming you folks were smart enough to use low heat or something?

      I know someone personally who accidentally dried their cat. The heat killed the cat (roasted it, from the description, which was really sickening). So I'm guessing it could get hot enough in there to do a person some damage?

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  68. Re:So why is it bad to put a cell in the microwave by vadim_t · · Score: 1

    We probably don't. Seriously.

    If you brought in somebody from the middle ages into modern society, they probably wouldn't know things like that touching bare wires, or rapidly spinning things inside a running car is a seriously bad idea. But we don't have a warning on every outlet, do we?

    While stuff like that is new, it's a bit confusing. But these days everybody knows that sticking a fork into an outlet is a seriously bad idea. Same thing with cell phones, it's not exactly obvious, but it will soon become common knowledge.

  69. The final warning label by inviolet · · Score: 1

    As warning labels and tort law evolve together, they gradually converge on a single unified warning label:

    Do not use indoors. Do not use outdoors. Do not use this product for any purpose. Do not buy this product. Do not read this label.

    On a more serious note, the current silliness over warning labels is a side-effect of the recent switch from buyer-beware to seller-beware. As a result, it becomes less and less profitable to produce anything, and more and more profitable to be dangerously stupid.

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  70. Curse you! by camperdave · · Score: 1

    Now I want to dig through my boxes for some old 5.25" floppies and play ring toss. Wait a minute... I know I had an 8" floppy somewhere.

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    1. Re:Curse you! by T-Ranger · · Score: 1

      An annual pre-Christmas event at a local university, for all the IT staff, is the ring toss. With the little plastic rings from 9 track tapes.

  71. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by jsprat · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sad but true. Check out this ad.

    "More doctors smoke camels than any other cigarette..."

  72. Family Guy by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

    No people in washing machines? So no one has seen that one episode of Family Guy where Peter rides in one?

  73. Re:What happens when the warning negates the purpo by Knuckles · · Score: 1

    Of course. But this is about warranty, they don't say that their gear is actually not fit for the purpose, which is what the mountain bike manufacturer seemed to express.

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  74. Warning.. by Kreigaffe · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do not taunt HappyFunBall

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  75. Re:What happens when the warning negates the purpo by westlake · · Score: 1
    in the accompanying manual, it stated, "This bicycle is not intended for off-road purposes". So...what was it that I bought??

    if you were being honest with yourself, you bought a bike that at a distance would impress any girl who saw you riding it on the street.

    otherwise, as W.C. Fields would have said, there is a sucker born every minute.

  76. "Set it and forget it!" by NerveGas · · Score: 1


        There's an info-mercial for a chicken roaster where the guy repeatedly says "just set it... and FORGET IT!!!" He has the audience repeat it for the mic over and over, too.

        I have a picture of one of those units in the store, with a big label on the front that says "Don't take 'set it and forget it' literally."

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  77. Re:Do not iron? Good idea! by freeweed · · Score: 1

    Combine that with the fact that some people like to iron their crumpled up money

    I think we've identified the problem, Houston.

    Seriously, what the sweet christ are people ironing PAPER PRODUCTS for? Sounds like a great way to start fires.

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  78. Re:What happens when the warning negates the purpo by bmo · · Score: 1

    "So...what was it that I bought??"

    You bought a cheap, pretend mountain bike. A toy. Suitable for riding short distances on the bike path, or getting you into the Darwin Awards list, should you actually attempt to ride it down a mountainside.

    If you want a mountain bike, that you can actually, well, ride down a mountain you need something more durable.

    http://www.konaworld.com/bikes/2k7/STABSUPREME/ind ex.html

    If you know how to ride, that will get you down the mountain without disintegrating or killing you. Please note that this is actually designed so you can ride a steep slope, that the geometry is entirely unsuitable (and painful) for riding on a bike path or even as an off-road cross-country bike on level ground.

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  79. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by ericlondaits · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While McDonald's and Starbucks can afford to make the effort to find the perfect temperature at which to sell their hot beverages, it's a sad sad life if the only hot liquids you place in your mouth come from a fast food corporation.

    From the first sips of hot home-made tea I took in my life my mother taught me to be careful and check the temperature least I burn my tongue or mouth. I never attempted to chug down hot coffee like it was coke... the only way I can think of to get third degree burns in the stomach.

    The ability to sue is a poor replacement to knowing how to get around in life.

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  80. Some of mine favourites by xtracto · · Score: 2, Funny

    Some nice instructions labels:
    On a bag of Fritos: You could be a winner! No purchase nesessary. Details inside.

    On a bar of Dial soap: Directions: Use like regular soap.

    On some Swanson frozen dinners: Serving suggestion: Defrost.

    On a hotel provided shower cap in a box: Fits one head.

    On Tesco's Tiramisu dessert:(printed on bottom of the box) Do not turn upside down.

    On Marks & Spencer Bread Pudding: Product will be hot after heating.

    On packaging for a Rowenta iron: Do not iron clothes on body.

    On Boot's Children's cough medicine: Do not drive car or operate machinery.

    On Nytol sleep aid: Warning: may cause drowsiness.

    On a Korean kitchen knife: Warning keep out of children.

    On a string of Chinese-made Christmas lights: For indoor or outdoor use only.

    On a Japanese food processor: Not to be used for the other use.

    On Sainsbury's peanuts: Warning: contains nuts.

    On an American Airlines packet of nuts: Instructions: open packet, eat nuts.

    On a Swedish chainsaw: Do not attempt to stop chain with your hands or genitals.

    On a childs superman costume: Wearing of this garment does not enable you to fly.

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    1. Re:Some of mine favourites by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      On a bar of Dial soap: "Directions: Use like regular soap."

      Wait...if Dial isn't regular soap, what is?

      Does it have directions?

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  81. Re:Do not iron? Good idea! by jrockway · · Score: 1

    > Seriously, what the sweet christ are people ironing PAPER PRODUCTS for? Sounds like a great way to start fires.

    Most irons transfer heat via steam. Try lighting a glass of water on fire, and you'll see that this isn't as hazardous as you would guess. It is a waste of time, though.

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  82. Re:So why is it bad to put a cell in the microwave by westlake · · Score: 1
    While you're in the business of pandering to morons, why don't you figure out how to make gasoline that doesn't burn, knives that don't cut, etc? Or maybe, just maybe, we should assume that the average person isn't a complete dumbass, eh?

    Ever wonder why old man Rockefeller sold his product as "Standard Oil?" Ever wonder why after the break-up of the trust, his operating companies prospered and the small independents died?

    To the customer, "Standard Oil" meant that, for the first time, you could light a lamp or a stove or fire up a two-stroke engine without fear: a formulation that was consistent, predictable and safe under ordinary handling.

  83. To be more correct: by not-admin · · Score: 1

    More accurately:

    Remove Intellect Before Reading

  84. Kind of reminds me.... by Battleloser · · Score: 1

    ...Of when I was a kid, playing hide and go seek. One of my favourite spots was in the freezer.

  85. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by westlake · · Score: 1
    From the first sips of hot home-made tea I took in my life my mother taught me to be careful and check the temperature least I burn my tongue or mouth.

    Did your mother serve tea in tightly sealed insulated foam cups? To guests at temperatures that could send them to burn ward?

  86. Scientific labels by Rashdot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Copied from news:rec.humor.funny.reruns

    From the RHF archives as selected by Brad Templeton, Maddi Hausmann and Jim Griffith. This newsgroup posts former jokes from the newsgroup rec.humor.funny. Visit http://www.netfunny.com/rhf to browse the RHF pages and archives on the web.

    WARNING: This Product Warps Space and Time in Its Vicinity.

    WARNING: This Product Attracts Every Other Piece of Matter in the Universe, Including the Products of Other Manufacturers, with a Force Proportional to the Product of the Masses and Inversely Proportional to the Distance Between Them.

    CAUTION: The Mass of This Product Contains the Energy Equivalent of 85 Million Tons of TNT per Net Ounce of Weight.

    HANDLE WITH EXTREME CARE: This Product Contains Minute Electrically Charged Particles Moving at Velocities in Excess of Five Hundred Million Miles Per Hour.

    CONSUMER NOTICE: Because of the "Uncertainty Principle," It Is Impossible for the Consumer to Find Out at the Same Time Both Precisely Where This Product Is and How Fast It Is Moving.

    ADVISORY: There is an Extremely Small but Nonzero Chance That, Through a Process Know as "Tunneling," This Product May Spontaneously Disappear from Its Present Location and Reappear at Any Random Place in the Universe, Including Your Neighbor's Domicile. The Manufacturer Will Not Be Responsible for Any Damages or Inconvenience That May Result.

    READ THIS BEFORE OPENING PACKAGE: According to Certain Suggested Versions of the Grand Unified Theory, the Primary Particles Constituting this Product May Decay to Nothingness Within the Next Four Hundred Million Years.

    THIS IS A 100% MATTER PRODUCT: In the Unlikely Event That This Merchandise Should Contact Antimatter in Any Form, a Catastrophic Explosion Will Result.

    PUBLIC NOTICE AS REQUIRED BY LAW: Any Use of This Product, in Any Manner Whatsoever, Will Increase the Amount of Disorder in the Universe. Although No Liability Is Implied Herein, the Consumer Is Warned That This Process Will Ultimately Lead to the Heat Death of the Universe.

    NOTE: The Most Fundamental Particles in This Product Are Held Together by a "Gluing" Force About Which Little is Currently Known and Whose Adhesive Power Can Therefore Not Be Permanently Guaranteed.

    ATTENTION: Despite Any Other Listing of Product Contents Found Hereon, the Consumer is Advised That, in Actuality, This Product Consists Of 99.9999999999% Empty Space.

    NEW GRAND UNIFIED THEORY DISCLAIMER: The Manufacturer May Technically Be Entitled to Claim That This Product Is Ten-Dimensional. However, the Consumer Is Reminded That This Confers No Legal Rights Above and Beyond Those Applicable to Three-Dimensional Objects, Since the Seven New Dimensions Are "Rolled Up" into Such a Small "Area" That They Cannot Be Detected.

    PLEASE NOTE: Some Quantum Physics Theories Suggest That When the Consumer Is Not Directly Observing This Product, It May Cease to Exist or Will Exist Only in a Vague and Undetermined State.

    COMPONENT EQUIVALENCY NOTICE: The Subatomic Particles (Electrons, Protons, etc.) Comprising This Product Are Exactly the Same in Every Measurable Respect as Those Used in the Products of Other Manufacturers, and No Claim to the Contrary May Legitimately Be Expressed or Implied.

    HEALTH WARNING: Care Should Be Taken When Lifting This Product, Since Its Mass, and Thus Its Weight, Is Dependent on Its Velocity Relative to the User.

    IMPORTANT NOTICE TO PURCHASERS: The Entire Physical Universe, Including This Product, May One Day Collapse Back into an Infinitesimally Small Space. Should Another Universe Subsequently Re-emerge, the Existence of This Product in That Universe Cannot Be Guaranteed.

    (The above is from Volume 36, Number 1 of The Journal of Irreproducible Results. Copyright 1991 Blackwell Scientific Publications Inc. 3 Cambridge Center, Cambridge MA 02141 Individual US Subscriptions $12.00 Reproduced with permission.)

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  87. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by kirun · · Score: 1

    The True Stella Awards (the site you linked to) is an e-mail newsletter run by one person, the same guy who does This is True. It isn't the originator of the term, and the site has always had that page up since launch. I'm not exactly sure what backpedalling has supposed to have taken place here. If you wish to criticise the True Stella Awards, why not discuss one of the cases featured in the newsletter itself?

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  88. Re:So why is it bad to put a cell in the microwave by FrankieBaby1986 · · Score: 1

    Simple, place a "Do not put objects made of or containing metal in microwave" on the microwave door and your covered.

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  89. OK...I could win this one by dethndrek · · Score: 1

    I guess all you have to do to win is send in a blurry scan of some kind of warning label. Did anyone actually look at the labels? You can't even read them.

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    1. Re:OK...I could win this one by Bwana+Geek · · Score: 1

      Naw, they're all perfectly legible. It's just that the images are small. Zoom in on the image and you'll be able to read it just fine.

  90. Re:Do not iron? Good idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try lighting a glass of water on fire, and you'll see that this isn't as hazardous as you would guess

    Glass isn't known for it's flammability, so I can see how it may be hard to ignite, water or no. If, however, by glass you mean paper cup, then yes, you can light it on fire. If you light the top that can burn down to the water line(more or less). Contrary to what I have heard people say, and the reason I first tried this, you can in fact burn a whole in the bottom of a paper cup. The fire won't stay long due to the torrent of water that spills out of said whole, but it will burn long enough to ruin your nice disposable cup.

  91. Re:So why is it bad to put a cell in the microwave by jesterzog · · Score: 1

    I know, I baked a friend phone in my oven at 150 degrees to bring it back to life.

    Does this work for most phones? Our Chief Executive tried to do this with his Blackberry just last week, after he accidentally dropped and got it wet. He'd waited for the oven to cool down enough so that he didn't think it'd be too hot, hoping it'd dry it out.

    Unfortunately, someone else came past and turned the oven on to heat it up for some other reason. The resulting Blackberry was quite melted by the time he brought it in for us to replace it, and he was quite embarassed about it. To his credit, he'd thought to remove the SIM card, so we were able to at least plug that into a new one.

  92. Do not look into LASER with remaining eye... by gp310ad · · Score: 1

    is my favorite serious warning.

    As for silly. $2.99 Harbor Freight multimeter label warns, "Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles during use."
    Also cautions, "screw removal by qualified persons only".

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    1. Re:Do not look into LASER with remaining eye... by CdBee · · Score: 1

      "screw removal by qualified persons only" could be a comment about the culture of not repairing your own property. Just depends where you choose to emphasise....

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  93. So how do you clean your ears? by guywcole · · Score: 1

    I said, HOW DO YOU CLEAN YEARS? Hello? Can you hear me?

    Seriously though, how?

    (This caught the lameness filter because "Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING." But that's what i meant to do. Duh.)

    1. Re:So how do you clean your ears? by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      I use water. Hold my head to the side when showering. Apart from that, ears are supposedly self-cleaning. I don't really know whether that's true, but my hearing is fine despite being mostly unspelunked by Q-tips. I would think people survived the millennia before the invention of the Q-tip without suffering deafness just as well (and hell, those people didn't even bathe daily).

    2. Re:So how do you clean your ears? by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1
      I said, HOW DO YOU CLEAN YEARS? Hello? Can you hear me?

      You don't have to. They clean themselves, or at least in theory.

      The skin in your ears gradually grows outwards, taking the ear gunk with it.

      However, I find that when I use earplugs or if my ears are covered for long periods (like with a fleece hat or with headphones), the resulting warmer environment will cause my ears to get full of ear gunk. I go through Q-tips (and yes, the branded version) like crazy, and coincidentally have a container with some in front of me at my office desk right now!

      - RG>
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  94. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by Kjella · · Score: 1

    Also, followups have pointed out that the lawsuit had the desired effect. McDonald's lowered their serving temperature for both coffee and hot chocolate to a more reasonable 140F (60C).

    Which probably pissed off a lot of people that used to get whereever they were going while it was still hot, but instead now got a lukewarm cup when they arrive. One thing is if you're in a restaurant, but if you're at a drive-in it doesn't take many minutes in traffic before you'd be very happy it was originally served at 80C. They should just introduce blue and red (extra hot) cups, with the red having a big clock icon, "HOT" in huge letteers and "Not for immidiate consumption" in smaller and every other warning label possible. But then again, they'd probably get sued some other way. If by "desired effect" you mean "killed a legitimate product because of PEBCAWheel", then yes.

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  95. Hmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What do you expect from a limey bastard?

  96. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by coredog64 · · Score: 2, Informative
    McDonald's had reports of injuries before this event; they even knew it was being served too hot to be consumed. McD's refuised to settle, and eventually lost to the tune of $500,000 - then they settled.

    The root cause behind McDonald's loss was a poor legal strategy and the stupidity of the jury. McD put boring experts on the stand that put the jury to sleep. When the jury was awake they heard phrases like "statistically insignificant" and thought someone was insulting poor Stella Liebeck.

    FWIW, there have been other cases similar to the McD case like McMahon vs. Bunn-O-Matic that have found for the defendants because of information like this:


      little digging on our own part turned up ANSI/AHAM CM-1-1986, which the American National Standards Institute adopted for home coffee makers. Standard 5.2.1 provides:

    On completion of the brewing cycle and within a 2 minute interval, the beverage temperature in the dispensing vessel of the coffee maker while stirring should be between the limits of 170 degrees F and 205 degrees F (77 degrees C and 96 degrees C).

    The upper finished brew temperature limit assures that the coffee does not reach the boiling point which can affect the taste and aroma. The lower temperature limit assures generally acceptable drinking temperature when pouring into a cold cup, adding cream, sugar and spoon.

    (emphasis mine)
  97. Re:So why is it bad to put a cell in the microwave by Vegeta99 · · Score: 1

    Ah, but any kid has discovered this the first time he tried to defrost a frozen candy bar. Or warm up something in aluminum. Or boil water in a metal cup. Or left his spoon in the bowl.

    Duh.

  98. It is a sad state of affairs... by Eric+Damron · · Score: 1

    I see some of these labels and just have to shake my head. Not because they are so stupid (they are) but because chances are there is at lease one person dumb enough to try what the label is warning against.

    I remember my brother had this girl friend that was almost as intelligent as a hamster. She believed that if you blew up a balloon (with your breath) it would float!

    Knowing that there are people like that dumbing down the gene pool makes the stupid labels sad rather than funny. :-/

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  99. Common sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You yanks need something about common sense in your laws to stop the frivillous law suits.
    If someone does something stupid they should learn from it and not blame someone else for their ineptitude.

  100. Re:bash.org says: JUST TWO WORDS by bitbiter · · Score: 1
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  101. Re:Do not iron? Good idea! by cnettel · · Score: 1

    It's naturally also a matter of paper quality. My impression was that the material for bills in most countries is frequently cotton-derived, quite dense and also lacking more volatile contaminants (high-cellulose content, suitable inks). They are, after all, washable...

  102. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by LordHugeMongus · · Score: 1

    Indeed. And a number of articles on the case have pointed out that McDonald's also served hot chocolate at the same scalding temperature as their coffee. Hot chocolate is mostly drunk by children. McDonald's management knew this, had reports of injuries from both the coffee and the hot chocolate, but failed to lower the temperature. Endangering children like this is a level of irresponsibility that's a bit much for even the most rabid Social Darwinists. YES! They did serve the hot chocolate at the same scalding temperature, I learned this pretty quickly as a kid. I never got a bad burn but i did burn the roof of my mouth a bit more than once, it was not a pleasant experience.
  103. CPSC by Nethead · · Score: 1

    Considering that the new Consumer Product Safety Commissioner just appointed by Bush & Co. was the lead lobbyist for the Manufactures of America... we may need all the help we can get.

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  104. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Although a few libertarian Slashdotters seem to want Social Darwinism.

    Well, that might be true but it would not be true by virtue of being a libertarian. They are different concepts entirely and may not even relate to the desirable level of torts. Matter of fact, many libertarians would prefer tort action to regulation/legislation. One of the big criticisms of the EPA is that they enacted and protected permitted levels of pollution. They said, Corp X is able to pollute Citizen Y's land to a degree of Z ppm. Citizen Y was left with no legal recourse. With more education, your thinking should improve.

  105. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by Zak3056 · · Score: 1

    The NRA claims that just having a handgun in your house is going to protect you.

    The NRA claims no such thing.

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  106. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

    I guess you want anybody who doesn't research every single fucking product they buy for seven years to die.
    No, we just don't want to protect people from life itself. Kids learn that stoves are hot by burning their fingers. It's one thing to be told that the stove it hot, but if you've never experienced hot, it's just a meaningless set of words.

    A few generations ago we let kids burn themselves on the stove, fall down skating and skin their knees, etc. If a certain action was too dangerous, we taught them that it was dangerous by inflicting painful corporal punishment on them. And by golly, those kids turned out all right!

    Yes, some children died in years past because we didn't shelter them from the act of living. But that's been more than made up by the deaths caused by sheltered children growing up into adults with drivers licenses but no common sense.

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  107. Edamame by armada · · Score: 1

    My favorite case of waky labels is for the brand of Edamame (soy bean pods) that I regularly eat. Picture a full color printed bag with the background comprised of a photo of a ton of soy beans. Under the word Edamame it says "Raw Soy Beans in Pods" the instructions lead you to either microwave them or boil them in a pot of boiling water for 7 minutes. The 2 warning labels are: "Warning will get hot when heated"!!! and "Contains Soy" Doh!

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  108. Re:So why is it bad to put a cell in the microwave by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

    As I recall, the instruction manual that came with my microwave oven said that small amounts of metal like a handle on a dish or whatever, could be placed in it without harm. I was amazed to read that, and haven't ever take them up on it.

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  109. There's a simple reason for that by Estanislao+Mart�nez · · Score: 1

    It completely eliminates the need for people writing up the nutritional information to make judgement calls as to when they should and should not issue the warning. Otherwise, you would end up with the labellers making bad judgement calls like, for example, that there is not need to warn of the presence of peanuts in a box of nougat, because "everybody knows nougat has nuts."

    Also, the nutritional information and warning text is probably required by law.

  110. Perhaps the legal system is taking up the slack by dbIII · · Score: 1
    Legal systems tend to take up the slack that is missing in other areas - perhaps it's their insurance systems that are stuffed.

    Here's an anecdote. In Australia we have a volunteer organisation that saves drowning people on beaches. One day, when there is a cyclone (hurricane) out to sea they close a beach and put signs up on every path to the beach that say the beach is closed, then they go home. A visiting CEO from the US decides to swim anyway and drowns. His family attempt to sue the volunteer organisation for an amount equal to twenty years on a ludicrous salary which is a couple of orders of magnitude more than the volunteer organisation has - even though they are large enough to patrol hundreds of beaches. The family obviously get a lot of bad press about it, never had a chance to win and there was not enough money to pay that much out even if they could win and bankrupt the organisation. Don't you have decent life insurance over there - or was the family really being as greedy as the press thought?

    1. Re:Perhaps the legal system is taking up the slack by hb253 · · Score: 1

      I would venture a guess that some wealthy people get wealthy by being greedy, cheap, underhanded, etc etc. This guy's family was probably in that group.

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  111. Re:What happens when the warning negates the purpo by Vormav · · Score: 1

    The point I was trying to make is that the manufacturer was able to market a product as a 'mountain bike', and then later (after purchase) DENY that the bike is a 'mountain bike'. This seems a little deceptive. Apparently, as this example shows, companies are allowed to perform this kind of advertising chicanery. So while it appears that wacky warning labels are merely intended to absolve a company from responsibility or liability, they may also be used in a more malicious, misinformative way.

  112. Here are some good ones: by Asgerix · · Score: 1

    From the safety information card in America West Airline seat pocket: "If you are sitting in an exit row and can not read this card, please tell a crew member."
    On a Tennessee highway: "Take notice: when this sign is under water, this road is impassable."
    In a Florida maternity ward: "No children allowed."
    A sign seen on a restroom dryer at O'Hare Field in Chicago: "Do not activate with wet hands."
    In a laundry room: "Do not put wet clothes in dryers, as this can cause irreparable damage."
    In a Budapest zoo: "Please do not feed the animals. If you have any suitable food, give it to the guard on duty."
    In a Norwegian cocktail lounge: "Ladies are requested not to have children in the bar."
    In a Copenhagen airline ticket office: (This one is not really a warning sign, but perhaps it should be?) "We take your bags and send them in all directions."
    In a Bangkok temple: "It is forbidden to enter a woman even a foreigner if dressed as a man."
    In a Bucharest hotel lobby: "The lift is being fixed for the next day. During that time we regret that you will be unbearable."
    In a Tokyo Hotel: "Is forbidden to steal hotel towels please. If you are not a person to do such thing is please not to read notis."
    On a blanket from Taiwan: "Not to be used as protection from a tornado."
    On a helmet mounted mirror used by US cyclists: "Remember, objects in the mirror are actually behind you."
    On a Taiwanese shampoo: "Use repeatedly for severe damage."
    On the bottle-top of a (UK) flavoured milk drink: "After opening, keep upright."
    On a New Zealand insect spray: "This product not tested on animals."
    In a US guide to setting up a new computer: "To avoid condensation forming, allow the boxes to warm up to room temperature before opening." (Sensible enough I guess, but the instruction was INSIDE the box.)
    On a Japanese product used to relieve painful haemorrhoids: "Lie down on bed and insert Poscool slowly up to the projected portion like a sword-guard into anal duct. While inserting Poscool for approximately 5 minutes, keep quiet."
    In some countries, on the bottom of Coke bottles: "Open other end."
    On a packet of Sunmaid raisins: "Why not try tossing over your favourite breakfast cereal?"
    On a Sears hairdryer: "Do not use while sleeping."
    On a bag of Fritos: "You could be a winner! No purchase necessary. Details inside." (The shoplifter special!)
    On a bar of Dial soap: "Directions - Use like regular soap." (And that would be how?)
    On Tesco's Tiramisu dessert (printed on bottom of the box): "Do not turn upside down."
    On Marks & Spencer Bread Pudding: "Product will be hot after heating."
    On a Korean kitchen knife: "Warning: Keep out of children."
    On a string of Chinese-made Christmas lights: "For indoor or outdoor use only."
    On a Japanese food processor: "Not to be used for the other use."
    On Sainsbury's peanuts: "Warning - Contains nuts."
    On an American Airlines packet of nuts: "Instructions: Open packet, eat nuts."
    On a Swedish chainsaw: "Do not attempt to stop chain with your hands or genitals."
    On a child's superman costume: "Wearing of this garment does not enable you to fly."
    On some frozen dinners: "Serving suggestion: Defrost."
    On a hotel provided shower cap in a box: "Fits one head."
    On packaging for a Rowenta iron: "Do not iron clothes on body."
    On Boot's "Children's" cough medicine: "Do not drive car or operate machinery."
    On Nytol sleep aid: "Warning: May cause drowsiness."

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    Life is wet, then you dry.
  113. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by ericlondaits · · Score: 1

    The worst burn I remember getting in my mouth was from homemade hot chocolate. I never got to sue my cousin's grandmother for it.

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  114. Re:So why is it bad to put a cell in the microwave by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Any parent of such a kid has failed their duty - it's something they should be told before they are allowed near the thing.

  115. Public Transportation... by AnotherUsername · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am sick of people saying that public transportation is the Holy Grail of this country's transportation/pollution/whatever else problems. Here's a big secret that all these pro-public transportation people don't seem to realize:

    Not every place has public transportation.

    Believe it or not, people commute from small towns and small cities to bigger cities. And, believe it or not, these small towns and small cities don't always have a public transportation system that can get them from point A to point B and back again. In the town that I grew up in, the only time a bus was ever seen, other than school buses, was when a charter bus would pull off the interstate to get gas or pass through the town.

    In the small city I live in now, there is a bus line for around the city, but it only goes to the college and a strip mall. There are several buses that go to the surrounding cities. However, they don't operate at the times necessary for people to get to and from work, and there are no buses that get around those cities.

    There is no rail line. There are no taxis. How do people get around? Cars.

    There is a bike path that stretches from the college to the strip mall area. But there is no bike path on the major streets. How are people supposed to get where they are going without spending a hour to get from one end of the city where they live to the other? Again, personal vehicles.

    So, next time that you think that public transportation is the be all, end all of our transportation and pollution woes, think again. Not everyone in this country lives in a major metropolitan area with a squeaky clean public transportation system.

    /rant

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    I don't like Linux. This doesn't make me a troll.
    1. Re:Public Transportation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey buddy! Nice!

      Problem is:

      You seem to take for granted that I hold some naive view that public transportation exists as it needs to.

      That is the opposite of my position, friend.

      My position is that it can exist on a far more comprehensive basis than it does, not just for rural areas in America, but worldwide.

      If you consider the amount of money we spend on cars, roads, and related systems/problems and so on, you'll see that a comprehensive public transportation system will be far more efficient, cheaper, safer, and so on.

      So, next time you think that I think the current public transportation is the be all, end all of our transportation and pollution woes, think again. I personally don't live in a place with public transportation. I want one. That's the difference.

      I understand your position and do not see it conflicting with mine. While I may not have explained that my post was urging the creation of transportation (rather than some idiotic belief that it's already adequate), it was.

      Thanks for your reply, though. It does an excellent job of outlining the major failings of the current public transportation system (and lack thereof).

    2. Re:Public Transportation... by jamesshuang · · Score: 1

      As a student at johns hopkins university, I would KILL to have a decent WORKING public transportation system in a MAJOR METROPOLITAN AREA. Public transportation can be a VERY good thing if implemented correctly. And in the US, it is ANYTHING but. Hopkins is located about 5 miles north of downtown baltimore. A public transportation system does exist, however, its reliability is literally NONE. I cannot even count the number of times where I've just sat around waiting for a bus, and at least two or three bus arrivals pass without a bus actually showing up. I usually just give up in frustration and grab an obscenely expensive cab. Attempting to get to inner harbor consists of basically two options - take a cab, or wait for the school shuttle to run, which runs only on Thursday - Sunday nights from 6-11. Paying for the bus once you do get on requires EXACT CHANGE of $1.60. Screw change, you're not getting any. Almost nobody ventures out of the small region around campus unless they own a car due to the lack of any sane form of transportation, the safety conditions around the campus, and the workload associated with class.

      Sadly, improving baltimore's public transportation system would be extremely trivial. Ensure the busses arrive on time. Create a card-swipe system that's easily accessible and attained. I would love to explore baltimore more, but even after three years, I barely even know what inner harbor looks like, let alone anywhere else. The US public transportation system has its head screwed on backwards, and I hope they would fix it soon.

    3. Re:Public Transportation... by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

      Baltimore isn't the whole US. Speaking only as a vistor, Boston's system seems to work well enough, as does NYC's.

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      It's true I tell you, feller at work's next door neighbour read it in the paper.
    4. Re:Public Transportation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Baltimore isn't the whole US. Speaking only as a vistor, Boston's system seems to work well enough, as does NYC's. The problem is that Boston and NYC are less typical than Baltimore in this respect. Most areas of the US could have much better public transportation. NYC works out of sheer population density. If it didn't already have public transportation, someone would provide it. Note that NYC also has the best cab coverage (i.e. you can get a cheap cab ride from A to B easily) for the same reason. Boston has good transit because they spent heavily on it during the Taxachusetts days.

      Of course, some areas are never going to have good public transportation. As a practical matter, there is a minimum population density required to support transit. In true rural areas, a bus doesn't make environmental sense (much less economic). A bus would have to run empty too often. Even if the bus got better fuel mileage (unlikely due to size), you'd still be better off with a car that only runs when necessary.
    5. Re:Public Transportation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, some areas are never going to have good public transportation. As a practical matter, there is a minimum population density required to support transit. In true rural areas, a bus doesn't make environmental sense (much less economic). A bus would have to run empty too often. Even if the bus got better fuel mileage (unlikely due to size), you'd still be better off with a car that only runs when necessary.

      This is true to some extent. By current standards.

      What I'd like to see is new systems and new ideas. After all, that's what we're good at, right? We think about a problem, do some research, crunch some numbers, do some simulations and modeling, and we come up with better systems.

      One example of this would be some sort of "hybrid" (not to be confused with the cars) public transportation system. The main method of transport would be electric rail, and this would handle all major distances (ie Interstates) as well as large metro areas. The other end of it would be electric cars that would be autonomous (ie, off rail) for shorter distances (think of rail-to-end transport of goods, person-to-rail transports, etc.)

      It's possible we could develop a system where a series of electric cars could be Voltron'd into a vehicle that would run on the rail allowing for even closer hybridization.

      But this is just one idea. The fact is, when you start adding up the massive money that the existing "private" transportation system costs (ie, cars, trucks, roads, the enforcement of all the laws, health care costs, maintenance, insurance, traffic, war, and on and on) and benefits (I can drive where I want when I want provided I have the money and physical ability and can do so reasonably well and so on) the trade offs become clearer and you see how much money we would have to actually spend on a public transportation system for it to be a failure relative to the current system. We're on the magnitude of trillions I'd guess.

      Yes, giving up some autonomy/control isn't fun, but how many people have it usurped by the very nature of the existing transportation system? Old people too old to drive must rely on others, young people are the same. Poor people are the same. When you're stuck in traffic you've just had your autonomy sucked out of you. When your car breaks down and you cough up for repairs you've lost autonomy. And so on.

      With public transport there are obviously trade-offs. Some of them are more salient than others. But with the this point in mind:

      Not all public transportation systems are created equally; we can and should find a good one and implement it.

      Even the most extreme rural areas can probably be placed within 100 miles of a good public transportation network.

      Anyway, from a geek perspective it ought to be a no-brainer that something has to change. We've rapidly closed the gap on moving information around the world. At some point we will have to do the same for moving physical objects. We can attempt to wait for SciFi-style transporter beams or we can implement a sound strategy and solution in the mean time.

      To recap: don't think just buses. Think about crazy stuff, maybe some of it will turn out to be not so crazy (remember: "hey, let's go to the moon"). Realize that the end-game is to reduce cost and increase efficiency. That means I may only go 50mph in an electric vehicle for the first half-hour of my commute or trip; once I get to the rail I'll be going upwards of 100mph at least. Think algorithms, think network topologies, and so on. The politicians and big businesses have not even begun to hack on this yet. They should, but until then we can still be encouraging more people to make believe and think about what that world should look like.

  116. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by dkf · · Score: 1
    They should just introduce blue and red (extra hot) cups
    The problem with that is that there are people with red/blue color-blindness. It's not as common as the red-green version, but it still exists.
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    "Little does he know, but there is no 'I' in 'Idiot'!"
  117. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by arth1 · · Score: 1
    YES! They did serve the hot chocolate at the same scalding temperature, I learned this pretty quickly as a kid. I never got a bad burn but i did burn the roof of my mouth a bit more than once, it was not a pleasant experience.

    And that's how you learn, like kids are supposed to, and most of us did. The kid who never burns the roof of his mouth while young enough to have rapid cell regrowth in his mouth and sensitive pain receptors is the one who'll end up suing Taco Bell (remember, in the future, all fast food restaurants are Taco Bells) for getting a second degree burn, because he didn't test the temperature and respect the heat before drinking.

    Sorry, no, I don't think protecting people from common sense is a good thing, no matter how many burns it prevents.
  118. By someone who knows what they are doing by Roy+Ward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ears are supposed to be self cleaning if left alone, but for some people that is not the case.

    - One method is to go to a doctor, and the nurse will clean your ears out with hot soapy water.

    - A better method is to find a hearing clinic that has a special machine that vacuums the wax out.

    - There's also earwax dissolving drops, but I don't think they are really recommended.

    The problem with trying to do anything to mechanically clean them is that you _will_ push some of the wax further in.

  119. road sign from old country perpsective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HAHAHAHA! Americans-crazy people!

    "blind drive" Say what? In old country, we do not let blind drive!!! Why you have areas where you allow blind to drive, with big sign that tells them they can drive, when blind cannot read sign?? We don't even let blind drive camel because is stoopid!

    "soft shoulder" Why is this? Cannot work, have girly man arms, leading to "soft shoulder"? In old country, we work! No wonder you need us, softies!

    "keep right except to pass" Huh? Is big fat road there, drive on it! Don't need build more roads if just use roads you have! In old country, you lucky to get road not made of camel dung and mud! Not only soft shoulder, but soft minds!

    "stop" Why? Need to GO. No wonder you have "energy crisis", waste time and gasoline in "stop" mode!

    "squiggly" Why sign with squiggly arrow on it? Oh,. I remember, is because you LET BLIND DRIVE, they no see road is turning ahead. Oh wait, still have soft minds, blind no read signs!

    "welcome! loyal order moose,elks,lions and kiwanis" No wonder all people in big city need carry gun! Protection! Cities all filled up with WILD ANIMALS! You crazy?? In old country, we build fence, keep wild animals OUT, any animal sneek inside city WE EAT! Problem Fix!

    and WTF is kiwanis anyway??? You have unicorns too, hmmm? SOFT MINDS!

  120. Not a label, but.... by KatchooNJ · · Score: 1

    This one isn't a label, but I laugh every time I hear it.

    We all know those long TV commercials for pharmaceutical drugs that are constantly on and how they rattle on for about 30 seconds the side-effects and whatnot. My absolute favorite one is for a product called Lunesta. (sp?) It is some sort of sleeping aid in pill form. (sleeping pills) Anyway, one of the side-effects they rattle off is... get this... MAY CAUSE DROWSINESS. A sleeping pill might make me drowsy? Go figure!

    Ya know... maybe this is a label! I am guessing these side-effects must be on the bottle too, right? :-) I guess this may qualify after all! heh

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    "Never give up, for that is just the time and place when the tide will change." -Harriet Beecher Stowe ^_^
  121. Starbucks warning labels on stall doors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Starbucks now has warning labels on the toilet stall doors to avoid shifting the seat while sitting on it.

    A Canadian man supposedly crushed his penis on a toilet seat at Starbucks when the seat shifted:

    "Starbucks Sued Over Alleged Crushed Penis": http://www.gamblingmagazine.com/articles/29/29-173 .htm

  122. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1
    McDonalds coffee has caused people who tried to drink it to get third-degree burns on their mouth and stomach.

    Stella didn't burn her mouth or stomach. She burned her legs while holding coffee between them.

    Every case is founded on some basic principles of justice. The basic principal in this case was:
    When any adult engages in stupid or irresponsible behavior, then that person is 100% responsible for the outcome.
    Not 90%.
    Not 99%.
    100%.

    And, holding hot coffee between your legs is definitely stupid and irresponsible. Therefore, MacDonalds was not responsible at all.

    American tort law is completely full of shit, especially the concept of "punitive damages".
    Nowhere else in the world can tort lawyers become billionaires because the jury thinks the defendant needs to be "punished".
  123. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by tomhudson · · Score: 1

    Jeez, Cletus, look at this here warning label - 'do not iron clothes whilst being worn'. Just as well that was there or I'd have gone done that..."

    The actual label was "do not iron while wearing clothes" ...

    ... which has led to a spate of people ironing in the nude ...

    ... which has led to a spate of lawsuits from people trying to iron out the wrinkles in their birthday suits ...

  124. Warning on my mixing console by MonkeyPaw · · Score: 1

    When I bought my mixing console the manual had a warning "do not use in the bath or shower".

    This is a 32x8 mixing board covered in knobs and sliders and is about 4.5 foot long, 3 foot deep and weighs a good 60 pounds.

    It would take some effort just to get it into the bathroom let alone bathe with it.

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    My studio - www.graylands.ca
  125. defensive medicine raises costs by texas+neuron · · Score: 1

    As a physician, the study stated talks about the cost of malpractice and not the cost of the extra testing that everyone does to prevent law suits.

  126. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by LordHugeMongus · · Score: 1

    And that's how you learn, like kids are supposed to, and most of us did. The kid who never burns the roof of his mouth while young enough to have rapid cell regrowth in his mouth and sensitive pain receptors is the one who'll end up suing Taco Bell (remember, in the future, all fast food restaurants are Taco Bells) for getting a second degree burn, because he didn't test the temperature and respect the heat before drinking. Sorry, no, I don't think protecting people from common sense is a good thing, no matter how many burns it prevents. Very true, i never even thought of a lawsuit for something so trivial, i just learned to check the heat first. :) (well thats what I tried to do the first time, but i got a little too much so i found out the harder way) However it works out though, you should just learn from the experience, not profit from foolish actions...
  127. The best one I have seen by BandoMcHando · · Score: 2, Funny

    The funniest one I've seen was from a thermometer, and it said:

          "Once used rectally, do not use orally."

  128. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by jeff4747 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The kid who never burns the roof of his mouth while young enough to have rapid cell regrowth in his mouth and sensitive pain receptors

    Sorry, humans of all ages have rapid cell regrowth in their mouths, which contain sensitive pain receptors.

    (Very young children mouth everything they pick up because their mouth is more sensitive than their fingers. As they age, their fingers get more sensitive, their mouth remains the same)

    I don't think protecting people from common sense is a good thing

    Common sense says that I will get scalded if I spill hot coffee on my lap. That's a first degree burn. In the McDonalds case the coffee caused 3rd degree burns, thus defying common sense.

    Common sense also says that a restaurant wouldn't be so stupid that they would sell a beverage that was so hot it could not be consumed without injury. Much like common sense would tell you that a restaurant wouldn't sell coffee made with concentrated sulphuric acid.

  129. Clarification. by tubapro12 · · Score: 1

    Make that WWI. However that may have been first marketed use.

  130. The correct explanation doesn't work by Solandri · · Score: 1

    I tried explaining it once, but the person's eyes glazed over once I hit the term 'induction.' Instead, I suggest just asking, "When you microwave bread, does it dry out or get soggy?" That has nothing to do with the real reason you shouldn't do this, but it seems to form a (incorrect) cognitive link which most people find easier to remember.

    1. Re:The correct explanation doesn't work by Anonymous+McCartneyf · · Score: 1

      Compromise:
      Tell them that there is metal in the cell phones. After all, there is.
      Remind them that they are not supposed to microwave metal. After all, microwaving metal can destroy the microwave oven as well as anything in it. If they ask for specifics, tell them about lightning created inside the oven or electrical fires.

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      There is a fine line between recklessness and courage... -- Paul McCartney
  131. Contest Recursion by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Most of these award labels were probably triggered by Darwin Award winners.

  132. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What McDonnalds do you go to?

    I have a think the warning label on there coffee should be against the trades descriptions act as it is luke warm at best and never HOT.

    God help anyone buying there tea as McDonnalds dont know how to make it (they need to use booling water not hot)

  133. Invisible victims by The+Monster · · Score: 1
    And a number of articles on the case have pointed out that McDonald's also served hot chocolate at the same scalding temperature as their coffee.
    This avoids the question of why McDonald's would want to serve hot drinks at such high temperatures. A business makes a decision like this If they believe:
    • It will reduce costs
    • It will increase demand, allowing them to sell the product at a higher price, sell more of the product, or a combination.
    Running the equipment at a higher temperature increases costs more, not less, so the only thing left is they think it increases demand. Now, let's put on our thinking caps and see if we can figure out why.

    A lot of people who buy coffee at McDonald's don't plan on drinking it in their cars. They may have a long drive to get to a cold construction site, by which time the 'scalding' coffee is merely 'hot'. If instead they served 'hot' coffee to these people, it would end up 'lukewarm' before it can be drunk. The people who need it to be hotter don't have any easy way to heat it up, but those who think it's too hot can easily cool it down by adding something cold (my mother used to put an ice cube in her coffee).

    Now there's a bunch of construction workers freezing their butts off who can't even get a hot cup of joe. And who knows how many teachers can only bring Warm Chocolate to their students... Won't anyone think of the children!

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    1. Re:Invisible victims by will_die · · Score: 1

      You are totally incorrect in saying they were high temperatures for coffee.
      The temeperatures used are far lower then is recommended by sites put up by coffee drinkers; do a search of coffee recommended temperatures.
      Also her lawyers when they did a survey of nationwide places and what temperatures they used did not do a nationwide search they did a local search of a few places that sold less coffee then mcdonalds did. At least find places that sell more coffee and get thier temperatures before complaining about a place that has more customers who like thier product.

    2. Re:Invisible victims by Alomex · · Score: 1

      You are incorrect. Coffee sites recommend 95C or higher for brewing but certainly not for serving.

      Also her lawyers when they did a survey of nationwide places and what temperatures they used did not do a nationwide search

      False. They compared the temperatures to many other major fast food chains and McDonalds was a good 10-20C higher than the rest.

      When I first heard about this lawsuit I was very much in the "ridiculous lawsuit" camp. Then I read the court transcripts and realized she was right and McDonalds was wrong.

  134. My personal favourite warning label... by background+image · · Score: 1

    ...found on the side of one of those mini front-end loaders, and accompanied by a crazy little graphic showing a person getting crushed by the machine:

    Avoid Death

  135. my favorite warning label by alizard · · Score: 1

    This Side Towards Enemy (on a Claymore mine)

    1. Re:my favorite warning label by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of verbal instructions in the military:

      Make sure the garage door is open before attempting to park the tank.

      Stop climbing when you reach the end of the pole.

      Start swimming if the water depth exceeds 1.20m.

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      Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
  136. yours are self cleaning by r00t · · Score: 1

    Consider yourself lucky.

    Good: large downward-sloping holes with small amounts of soft wax

    Bad: tiny upward-sloping holes with large amounts of tar-like wax

  137. how to clean ears by r00t · · Score: 1

    Some people have self-cleaning ears. For the rest of us:

    Water can help, especially if squirted in. Hydrogen peroxide is much better, though noisy!

    Have a friend use a tweezers for the hard black chunks.

    Then for regular cleaning, the obvious: Q-tip, pinkie finger, pencil, pen, key, scissors, paperclip, nail, screw, screwdriver, etc.

    1. Re:how to clean ears by bhiestand · · Score: 3, Funny

      Have a friend use a tweezers for the hard black chunks.
        Thanks, I haven't been that scared in years. I can't imagine how anything could possibly go wrong with such a procedure. I'd rather trust my friends to give me a colonoscopy with a long, rusty nail.

      Have you considered that the hard, black chunks in your ears might actually be dried blood from previous cleaning attempts?

      Yes, I'm fairly confident you were joking, but... I couldn't resist taking it seriously and replying. Sorry.
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      SWM seeks new sig for a brief fling
    2. Re:how to clean ears by r00t · · Score: 1

      Seriously, my mom gets hard black chunks. They are not blood. They are wax.

      Now, "hard" and "black" are relative of course. It's slightly softer and darker than a typical brown crayon. It's about the same as an unusully dark brown crayon on a hot summer day.

      Mostly she gets by with regular peroxide treatment (at home) and the occasional trip to the doctor. Doctors can be amazed that she is able to hear at all with so much hard wax.

    3. Re:how to clean ears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to get really scared, have your ears cleaned at a barber's shop in Vietnam. They use long pointed sticks. I'm not kidding. Luckily I was able to talk myself out of it after seeing the procedure performed on a local friend (who enjoys it a lot and has it done at least once a week).

    4. Re:how to clean ears by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      If you want to get really scared, have your ears cleaned at a barber's shop in Vietnam. They use long pointed sticks. I'm not kidding. Luckily I was able to talk myself out of it after seeing the procedure performed on a local friend (who enjoys it a lot and has it done at least once a week). Smart move. Most Asians have dry, flaky ear wax, which is removed easily and [relatively] safely with ye olde ear pick. If yours is wet instead of dry, they likely would have ended up jamming a lot of wax further into your ear canal.
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    5. Re:how to clean ears by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      That's really creepy. I'm a big fan of stile and rotten.com, but for some reason the image you just painted makes me a little queasy. Is there a condition associated with that? I know ear wax can become light brown, but I've never heard of it being so dark. I was just wondering if it's relatively normal or if she actually has some sort of condition.

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    6. Re:how to clean ears by r00t · · Score: 1

      As far as I know, it's just genetic variation.

      In other news, some people have red hair. Some people are 7 feet tall. Some people have eyes that dry out. Some people get lots of pimples. Some people can touch their nose with their tongue. Some people have greasy hair. Some people can bend their fingers backward.

      All of those things are "some sort of condition", yet all are relatively normal.

  138. you benefited by r00t · · Score: 1

    No kids? That doesn't matter, because YOU were a kid.

    Oh, you got yours, and now you'd deny it to the next generation. Sweet.

    Everyone from homosexuals to Catholic priests benefits from child tax credits, because everyone starts life as a child.

  139. *Ahem* by plopez · · Score: 1

    I remember a few years back at a friends house we got a bit lit. There was beer, wine, rum, vodka and I was mixing side cars. After a few rounds we decided it would be fun to see who could fit into the dryer. There were about 20 of us there and one by one we tried to crawled into, or tried in the case of the larger among us, the dryer.

    One friend of mine ripped her pants which we then duct taped up.

    It really was a good party. :)

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  140. Real customer service issues by PhotoGuy · · Score: 1

    A lot of these labels, sadly enough, probably come from a response of the customer service (and legal) departments. As ridiculous as it sounds, there are a lot of dumbasses out there that will try these things, and end up bitching to the customer service/legal departments of the companies. Many of these are no doubt due to addressing trends of problems with products, and not just arbitrary and tangential paranoia by legal departments. (After the fiftieth dude blew off his eyebrows from checking the fuel level in his jet ski, they decided to throw on the label, kinda thing; it probably *was* one of the greater mis-uses of the product.)

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  141. Re:Do not iron? Good idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I sell lotto tickets in Australia and a customer actually did this. He came in with a black piece of paper, saying that he tried to iron his lotto ticket to flatten it out. Im actually surprised it doesn't happen more often, since crumpled up tickets are harder to put through the machine, wasting time for me AND the customer.

  142. Re:Do not iron? Good idea! by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

    Seconded. I've already e-mailed these folks about this; hopefully next year they'll do some basic fact-checking before proclaiming "LOL DUM LABEL!!1". Also:

    How many people (outside of computer geeks) really know that most lottery tickets are printed on thermal paper?

    Lots of gas station cashiers certainly do. I know this because that's how I found this little factoid out. Also, I'm sure "printing geeks" probably know about it :-).

  143. Toy gun can be mistaken for a real thing by khchung · · Score: 1

    This is actually a good advice, assuming it is sold in the US. Depending on how real the toy gun looks and the lighting conditions, it might be mistaken for a real gun. Nevermind that a child is holding it, with enough news about school shootings, people will believe a child can get their hands on a real gun and start shooting at random people.

    So pointing your toy gun at people might get yourself shot at by someone with a real gun.

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  144. "Do not throw objects at TV" by Ross+Finlayson · · Score: 1

    This warning notice appears in the instruction manual for a LCD TV (a Sony KDL40XBR2) that I bought recently.

  145. Re:Do not iron? Good idea! by Serzen · · Score: 1

    This article--and resulting discussion--are the first I've actually heard of Lotto tickets on thermal paper. Here in New York, Lotto tickets are still run off on dot matrix printers.

  146. My Favorite by NVP_Radical_Dreamer · · Score: 1

    A friend of mine has a little hobby of collecting and displaying warning labels on his cubicle wall at work, just a few days ago he brought one in his girlfriend gave him that has a picture of a curling iron in someones eye and a warning that says "caution, product can burn eyes"

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  147. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everytime we go to our favorite chinese restaurant, I burn the tip of my tongue. The tea they serve is very hot. We put ice in my daughter's cup so she can have tea without waiting 20 minutes for it to cool down. But my cup of tea is hot enough to burn my tongue. And yes, that's the way I want it. Not lukewarm. Within a few minutes of pouring, it is too cold to drink. It is probably at 120 degrees F by then (just guessing). And I pour in more hot tea.

    Why is drinking hot beverages and burning the tip of your tongue such a hard concept for you guys to understand? I want my soda cold and tea hot. My tongue has always healed.

  148. Excessive heat better? by Anonymous+McCartneyf · · Score: 1

    Ah, now I'm starting to understand this burning coffee case.
    So, the recommended lower temperature limit is 170 degrees Fahrenheit, because it assures that the coffee is a decent temperature when it's poured into a cold cup and has cream and sugar and a spoon added.
    McDonalds didn't use cold cups. They used to use styrofoam cups for coffee. Not only were those cups never cooler than room temperature, but styrofoam also insulated the coffee and kept it hot.
    The people who wrote the coffee guidelines expected the coffee to cool significantly once it was served; the coffee in formal-restaurant coffee mugs isn't 170 degrees when you get it, even if it was when they made it. Styrofoam cups prevented the coffee from cooling and kept it near 170 degrees Fahrenheit even after the customer got it. This is too hot to drink, and even the people writing those coffee guidelines knew it.

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    1. Re:Excessive heat better? by coredog64 · · Score: 1

      You are missing the point -- the ANSI standard temperature for fresh hot coffee is 170-205 degrees F. That is hot enough to cause 3rd degree burns. So the expectation is that people who have actually consumed coffee at least once in their life will understand that it is fucking hot and not put a deformable cup full of it between their legs next to their most sensitive of parts. Ergo, Stella herself is fully liable for her actions.

      Instead what happens is that people who in normal life understand that coffee and tea are fucking hot change into putty when placed in the jury box. When faced with a little old lady who has clearly suffered they believe that it is their responsibility to apply some cold, hard cash so as to lessen her suffering.

    2. Re:Excessive heat better? by Anonymous+McCartneyf · · Score: 1

      No. I do not expect people to understand that coffee just served to them is supposed to be hot enough to cause third-degree burns. I don't believe that they believe that coffee, tea, or cocoa is supposed to be that hot when it's served, though they may be used to it actually being that hot. I didn't know about those ANSI regulations until you cited them yesterday. I'm guessing most Americans who haven't made restaurant coffee or tried cases about hot coffee don't know those regulations either.
      When were those regulations written? They say that coffee is supposed to be extremely hot when being stirred in the dispensing vessel because it'll cool down after it's poured into the cup and has cream and sugar added. The ANSI rules do work for sit-down restaurants. The coffee is 170 degrees or more in the carafe (aka the dispensing vessel) but then gets poured into a real cup; assuming decent service, the coffee ends up being hot but not intolerable.
      But can't adjustments be made if there is no dispensing vessel--just the coffee maker and the cup for drinking? (Since that's how it works at McDonalds.) Can't more adjustments be made if that cup prevents the coffee from cooling down?
      I'm not saying that the lady shouldn't have known better than to hold a hot cup of coffee between her legs--though if her car didn't have cupholders, then there wouldn't have been many other good places to put the coffee. (Trust me, I've handled cold soft drinks in such situations.) I'm just saying that it should be wrong for a corp. to deliberately serve coffee that produces third degree burns directly to customers, and to do it in cups that both insulate heat and crumble under pressure. That's asking for trouble.

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  149. THE Solution by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    Put warning labels on the lawyers.

  150. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by bm_luethke · · Score: 1

    I still do not really get it. One can purchase several things that can seriously burn or hurt you yet we do not attempt to store it held between our legs. *That* is stupid. People complain about stove tops burning them when they touch one that is on - we do not try and have a campaign to only allow them to go to 140F (or some other temperature that will not burn you). Well tell you not to touch the hot surface.

    Even lets assume it was boiling hot - so? Did the person in question know it was really hot - yes, wasn't the very first cup of coffee she had. Did the person in question choose to store it in an (unapproved) and dangerous way - yes, most of even know not to hold cold soft drinks in such a fashion, let alone something that will hurt.

    We know all sorts of things on this planet are dangerous and can be not so (generally at the cost of losing a market - the temp change has really hurt McDonald's coffee sales). At some point we have to look and give some personal responsibility. Had the cup failed and spilled the coffee, had they dropped it in her lap, or it failed in what is normally safe usage I would tend to agree. However, holding a really hot cup of coffee between you legs while riding in a car isn't really "normally safe usage" - in fact it is "normally dangerous usage" and - as such, I don't care how hot the coffee was. The failure was in the storage method chosen by the woman and thus her fault.

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  151. Re:So why is it bad to put a cell in the microwave by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

    Usually the microwave's manual will explicitely warn you not to put metals into it, probably mentioning electronics along the way.

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  152. My favorite stupid warning label by BadEvilYoda · · Score: 1

    From a set of Corelle dishes purchased back when I was in college (not sure if they still include this): "Caution: Dishes may break if dropped. If dishes break, they may make a loud noise." WTF? I have to imagine they were sued at some point for someone being startled to death by the sounds of their dishes breaking...

  153. Re:Not ironing the lotto ticket is borderline usef by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

    Maybe they import the equipment from Soviet Russia?

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  154. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by SnapShot · · Score: 1

    I apologize for that; here on slashdot we mostly hear from the handgun fanboys who don't have houses or families who think that every perceived wrong can be dealt with by taking to the hills al. la. Red Dawn to defend the country from the environmentalists, Democrats, coporations, Republicans, religious fanatics, secular humanists, and ivory tower intellectuals. "NRA" was used as a short-hand for that mind-set My point was, in the context of the original point, was simply that you can't legitimately seek redress from a coporation pouring arsenic in your groundwater, for example, by storming the boardroom and shooting. You'll end up on the evening news as the crazy in the body bag and the corporation will continue to do what they were doing before.

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  155. of course, military warning labels by alizard · · Score: 1

    tend to be based on preventing the next fatal accident. You can imagine what accident prompted the Claymore mine warning.

  156. Re:how to clean ears - Ototek loop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ototek loop http://www.ototekloop.com/

    Essentially the same thing a doctor used on my ear once. Only costs a few bucks at Walgreens, right next to the ear wax removal drops.

  157. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by jeff4747 · · Score: 1
    Everytime we go to our favorite chinese restaurant, I burn the tip of my tongue. The tea they serve is very hot.

    And given that you haven't repeatedly gone to the hospital, it isn't that hot. You got scalded. You did not receive 3rd degree burns.

    Why is the concept of minor vs. severe burns such a hard concept for you guys to understand?

  158. Looking for alternatives by Anonymous+McCartneyf · · Score: 1

    Okay, but then McDonalds should've had options for its drive-through steaming-hot coffee other than "black."
    The only safe places for a full cup in a car is a cupholder or your hand. This suit is old enough that's it's possible the car in question didn't have a cup-holder. The lady was trying to add creamer to her coffee; doing that with only one hand free would be almost as likely to create a burning-hot coffee spill as what she actually did. Even removing a plastic lid from a styrofoam cup isn't necessarily a one-handed operation.
    Of course, I live dangerously. I've held cold soft drinks between my legs in cars, even while knowing that there is a risk of spillage or (for many cups) disintegration. There tend to be more drinks than cup-holders in the cars I travel in, and sometimes the cupholders provided are more likely to create spills than my legs are. (Admittedly, I've had practice.) I dare any of you to try to buckle a seat belt with only one hand free.

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  159. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by godless+dave · · Score: 1

    It seems to me we could find a middle ground.

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  160. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by kmac06 · · Score: 1

    If I buy a cup of coffee that can immediately be consumed without injury, that coffee was not sold hot enough.

  161. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by markmier · · Score: 1

    Your cousin's grandmother? Wouldn't that be the same as your grandmother?

  162. Re:Do not iron? Good idea! by freeweed · · Score: 1

    That must explain those brown scorch marks left on shirts if you leave the iron laying on them while it's on (discounting modern models that have a time out feature).

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  163. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by ericlondaits · · Score: 1

    Cousins usually share only one grandmother with you, unless something is really wrong with your family.

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  164. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

    Not everybody has the time to put in effort to make their own beverages every day.

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  165. Re:Excessive litigation better than the alternativ by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

    While your masochism is interesting, it doesn't mean that everyone's coffee should cause them severe injury.

  166. The labels aren't as funny or foolish... by FishinDave · · Score: 1

    ... as the real-life events that inspired them.