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Outdated Domains To Meet Their End
Dr. Eggman writes "The little used .um internet domain is no more. The domain was used, or rather unused, for US minor outlying islands and the University of Southern California's Information Sciences Institute had grown tired of maintaining it. This announcement comes as last month ICANN began taking comments on deletion of outdated suffixes. Among the top of the list? .su, the internet domain of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union's .su may prove harder to remove however, as Google still lists 3 million .su sites."
only took 5 days to make it to slashdot....
Web chucks '.um' domain POSTED: 1:34 p.m. EST, January 25, 2007
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So how do I get an email addy at one of those 3 million .su domains ?
Never been to a .su domain before. Maybe it's because I don't speak Russian... That being said I have been to plenty of .ro, .jp, .cn, .de, etc domains and I don't any of their funny languages.
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And there was no opinion poll on this? (Of if there was, I missed it. I'm just not hip to the California cutting edge news.)
Now I can't make a site called Y.um
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Suffixes (and host prefixes) were a mistake. We ought to get rid of them altogether.
Okay, so they've been dropping some ccTLDs, but IANA has Procedures for Establishing ccTLDs. So, when was the last time they created a new ccTLD?
The TLD for bearded Russian sysadmins.
\u262D = \u5350
There are tons of words that end in 'um'. Why not sell domains there so people can get 'cesi.um' or 'im-a-b.um'? It would generate tons of revenue (just like .cx, .us, and .tv) and would free up some domain name space.
For those who are wondering, there are only 8 words that end in 'su'
I'm in the hole of the broadband donut.
Why not reassign the .um TLD to the umming and aahing community? There are many ditherers and the
like out there who'd love to have domains like "im-not-sure.um", "let-me-see-a-minute.um",
"tum-te-tum-te-t.um" etc.
From the linked article:
.su domain returned the following result:
The Soviet Union's ".su" is the leading candidate for deletion; that'll be harder to strike than ".um" -- a Google search produced more than 3 million ".su" sites.
The Google results were vetted to ensure those were 3+ million unique domains, right?
A Google search for sites from only the
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,670,000 for site:.su. (0.04 seconds)
I don't know what folks will do without www.jedi.su...
I want to drag this out as long as possible. Bring me my protractor.
``The Soviet Union's .su may prove harder to remove however, as Google still lists 3 million .su sites.''
.biz TLD that was operated by Pacific Root, before ICANN decided it wanted .biz and simply introduced it. Now we have two of them, with different hosts in each.
Other people using a TLD hasn't stopped ICANN before. See, for example, the
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
Miami fell apart in football and now the .um domain...
.um domain.
.um.
Come to think of it, the University of Miami would have been the logical university to control the
I tried to find a website on
www.um points to something. Seems like an exchange point domain. Keeps calling itself ep.net. Except ep.net isn't up.
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Lawyers!
had-an-accident-then.su
coffee-too-hot-well.su
Well, no big loss -- .sudo is a much better way of managing things anyway.
No jokes, please
Atleast on domain in the .mu range must have been usefull to someone somewhere.. NOt sure about the logic to close down domains ?
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Now, did you mean there are only 8 words in all the world's languages that end in "su" or just English? I can't believe that there aren't a few more out there in different languages...
And all the Romanians in the world
What? They needed that dust-covered 386 PC sitting in the corner for something other than maintaining the .um domain?
.bv is Bouvet Island, which is some uninhabitated island south of Africa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.bv while .sj is for Svalbard and Jan Mayen Islands. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.sj)
Neither are currently in use, and I'm not sure if they'll ever be.
I suppose .bv would be nice for some Linux servers, as the island does have penguins, but getting fiber there would certainly offset any commercial advantage :)
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Have you tried finding a usable, easily memorable domain name recently? cr.yp.to is a cool domain, others are born from necessity. Domain squatters create the conditions for broken up domains and are definitely lame and annoying so don't be that guy.
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IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
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He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
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He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
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It's true those countries no longer exist, but so what? It's not like the domain suffixes are regulated by legitimate national bodies anyway, they stand for whatever the domain owner wants them to stand for! And the marketplace has obviously decided that .su is a suffix that means something to millions of Webmasters and their visitors.
.su domain name, because that's the country I was born in, why can't I? As crummy as that country was, it's still a part of my heritage...
That country EXISTED! You can't clean up the Internet every time the international borders change, something that will happen a lot in the 21st century with all the secession movements out there. If I want to own a
AFAIK, the .SU TLD was known to be obsoleted for a very long time. Think about it, USSR was no more years before web happened. People who bought names in there have themselves to blame for the trouble along with the registrar.
What is the point of getting rid of a TLD that has 3 million registered domains? Wouldn't all the owners of these domains have to be consulted first?
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I don't get it.... I though every country had their domain since the start and that it didn't cost anything to anyone. Plus, they can be re-used! Just look at .tk, domain from Tokelau who give away free redirection to all the planet.
It's good to see ICANN doing some cleanup. For the past few years, they've been something of a trade group for domain registrars.
A few more TLDs could go. .museum and .aero could be phased out due to lack of interest. The entire list for .museum is a few pages, the domains aren't the top-tier museums, and almost all of them are redirects anyway. .aero has an entry for every airport code (try LAX.AERO), but those were put there by the domain registrar to give the illusion of activity and they're not the primary domain name for those sites. ("LAX.AERO" is really "WWW2.LAWA.ORG").
in soviet russia, that which is operated on becomes the operator and that which operates becomes operated on. it's a well known fact in the slashdot community
.su domain, when the slashdot community knows full well that in soviet russia, the .su domain drops you, then won't the void created by this logical paradox create a rift in time and space and kill us all?
.su alone!
.su, domain drops you!
the slashdot community is also familiar with the concept of logical paradoxes, like: "i never tell the truth"... well if you aren't telling the truth about never telling the truth, then perhaps you do tell the truth, which contradicts your statement. the resulting lack of meaning renders the entire statement null and void
now if we are to actually drop the
good god for the sake of humanity, leave
because in
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
AFAIK, the .SU TLD was known to be obsoleted for a very long time. Think about it, USSR was no more years before web happened. People who bought names in there have themselves to blame for the trouble along with the registrar.
.su was a valid domain for email "back in the day". Note to grammatically challenged Slashdotters - note the correct use of "you're" and "your" in my first sentence. Read it and learn.
.su domain was meaningless as the USSR was dead for several years. I took a quick look at a few .su sites and they appear to be Russian sites that are for some reason too lazy to move over to the .ru domain.
You're showing your youth here. The internet was here years before the web existed and
However, you are certainly right that with the advent of the web that people should have realized that the
Probably 3 million pages, not sites. According to Russians (http://info.nic.ru/st/38/out_1362.shtml) there were 7897 domain names registered in .su TLD by 11/26/2006. And looks like they aren't going to give it up for nothing - .su domain is $100/year.
.su is designated as the TLD for companies and organizations that have a presence in many of the countries that used to be part of the Soviet Union. Basically, the same sort of role that .eu is supposed to play for Europe.
.su are pure politics: "the Soviet Union was eeevil, so we must erase all traces of it from the DNS system". Blergh. These people are trying to steamroll over numerous legitimate users of .su.
IMHO, the constant attempts to get rid of
How quaint, actually hosting a country's servers in that country...
Um ... has anyone considered that the .um domain might be popular amongst Slashdotters? They have a tendency to start posts with those letters. Heck, I'll maintain it.
I apologise in advance for the stupid joke.
I'm a bit of a connoisseur of domain names (long story, never mind the details). Naturally, I do prefer the ".com" extensions (well, first-level domains), but the first thought that occurred with this domain name extension was the lovely (subdomain) "[http://]no.see.um[/]". I'd buy that if the cost were reasonable, and do something amusing with it!
Now, back to the regularly scheduled dull technical discussion.
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But that doesn't mean it's time to get rid of it. The current alternatives are worse.
.su? If nobody uses the .su TLD, then uh what's the problem, even if it's still theoretically around, no servers would be needed to host the domains, there would be hardly any load.
.local TLD (for special local use by devices - e.g. Bonjour/Rendezvous ) and other similar TLDs (I propose .here for special local use by humans), instead of wasting time and resources on things like this.
I don't see why removing the TLDs is even being considered at all.
If some people have domains on it and keep paying to maintain them why get rid of it? Does anyone actually have a much better use for
I really don't understand the reasoning.
The ICANN should consider more useful stuff like reserving the
...has someone got a link to a list of the ccTLDs to be deleted? I'm just asking because I'm getting nervous, because I have my own site on a "dead" ccTLD, but it makes for a very geeky domain: serial.io
.io is the british indian ocean territories, before someone asks...)
(...and
Could be worse. Could be raining.
What about deleting other, "useless," domains, like .museum, .aero, and even .biz. .travel could probably be wiped as well. Talk about completely and utterly useless TLDs.
My initials are UM :(
do not use .cs as your country's TLD if you don't want your country to split!
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Shouldn't obsolete TLDs just be mothballed with further registrations prohibited?
It's not just a case of registering new domains for all those sites - think of the volume of inbound links that will break if a whole domain just vanishes overnight.
I've noticed (and I've done this mistake myself more than thrice) that I simply don't spell out "know" where I would want to do it, too, sometimes. This isn't the first time I notice someone else to omit it accidentally, either. Has this ever been researched or even noticed by linguists or psychologists?
"University of Southern California's Information Sciences Institute had grown tired of maintaining it."
.com, .net, .xyzzy it doesn't change a damned thing, they all go into a database. Humans don't process domain registrations, computers do. Hell we could just as easily open up the domain system to any TLD... do away with the concept of TLD altogether. Why couldn't someone register "foobar.ilikebananas" ? It may be ugly but there's nothing technically difficult about matching a string to an IP address, yet ICANN deals with domain names as slowly and anally as governments deal with wars and budgets. Heck I wish we didn't even have TLD's to begin with, then we wouldn't have had to deal with things like whitehouse.gov vs .com, or me receiving a C&D about my website fnarg.com, regarding MP3 files illegally hosted on fnarg.net owned by a complete stranger on the other side of the globe. Sure, that's a fucking ignorant attorney, but the mixup happens all the time for no good reason.
Tired of maintaining it ? Who gives a crap whether a domain ends in
-Billco, Fnarg.com
Baker and Howland islands were claimed in 1857. guano (aka bird shit) was mined on these islands during the 19th century. In 1935, an attempt to colonize these two islands was began; World War II forced an end to the project. Howland Island was Amelia Earhart's intended stop on her last flight. They both became National Wildlife Refuges in 1974.
Jarvis Island was claimed by the US in 1858, but abandoned in 1879 after tons of guano were mined. The UK claimed the island in 1889 and the US claimed it back in 1935. A settlement was started here, but World War II ended those plans. Jarvis Island became a National Wildlife Refuge in 1974.
Kingman Reef was claimed by the Guano Islands Act in 1856. It was annexed by the US in 1922. It was used a stopover by flying boats in the 1930's. Kingman Reef was transfered from the US Navy to the US Interior Dept in 2000; it became a National Wildlife Refuge a year later.
Johnston Atoll was annexed by both Hawaii and the US in 1858. In 1936, it was placed under US Navy control. The US Air Force gained control in 1948. In the 1950's and 1960's, Johnston Atoll was used for Nuclear tests, and until 2000 the Atoll was used for chemical weapons storage and disposal. In 2005, the Atoll's cleanup process was finished.
The Midway Islands were put under US possession in 1867. In the 1930's and 40's, the Islands were used a refueling stop. A key battle of World War II was fought here in 1942. Until 1993, Midway was a US Naval Station. They are also a National Wildlife Refuge.
Palmyra Atoll was claimed by Hawaii in 1858. When the US annexed Hawaii in 1898, it was a part of the deal. When Hawaii became a state in 1959, Palmyra was excluded. Today, it is privately owned.
Wake Island was annexed in 1899 for use as a cable station. In the 1940's, a Naval Base was built. Japan had control over the atoll from 1941-1945. Since then, Wake has been used as a refueling stop for trans pacific flights. Since 1974, the Island has been used by the military as an airstrip. In August 2006, a typhoon tore though Wake. Because of this, the island's future use is doubtful. Wake Island is claimed by the Marshall Islands.
Navassa Island was claimed for Guano in 1857. Mining of the stuff took place here from 1865 to 1898. A lighthouse was built here in 1917; it was used by the US Coast Guard until 1996. In that year, the light was shut off and the island was transferred to the S Interior Dept. It became a National Wildlife Refuge in 1999. Navassa Island is claimed by Haiti and a private claim exists as well.
For more about these islands, see the CIA World Factbook and Wikipedia.
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I happen to live in an ex-Soviet country, and one thing is known for sure - there is not one large company (or any other entity, like a university or an organization) that uses a .su domain to emphasize its presence on the entire ex-Soviet territory. A company with a leader who is not insane will most likely avoid having a .su site because it will associate their business with communism, and communism is a bad thing (tm).
.su site is an instance of your example. (I wouldn't bet my life on it though)
.su sites, all of them use .su for the "coolness factor" (which many don't find cool at all), the sites are loaded with ads and useless info.
I don't know where you are from, but I'm pretty sure you won't be able to come up with a case in which a
In fact, I only know several
I am not aware of a single person who will suffer if these sites will disappear. Perhaps this will happen to the owners of those domains, they'll feel ripped off because they paid so much for such a "cool" domain, and now it's gone. Another possibility is that these sites are the expression of the feelings of those who still want the Soviet Union to form again (it is a form of nostalgia not everyone can understand; the SU had some nice 'features' too).
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Whats the benefit of removing these?
Just out of curiosity, what is involved in maintaining a little used tdl? I mean, they don't rust, do they?
I think the problem was that the US decided that they should be exempt from using a ccTLD. If there had been a rule of only allowing a ccTLD to go to a person/corporation/establishment with an "address for service" in that country and requiring a document for proof of establishment as a trading operation for .co[m].cc then it could, in my opinion have worked.
Of course this would mean that the domain registrars would have to do administration beyond thinking up new TLDs to cash in on.
Just a little late now though!
No one has to use ccTLDs at all, in any country. It's always been completely voluntary.
.us domains. It's new and trendy (ugh).
Also, there are plenty of
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Or both!?! (string tremelo)
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ccTLDs have been used it's just that the established norm is to have a .com not a .co.us or .co.uk and so those that have a .co.uk (etc.) also have a .com.
.com or .org (unless you hack them).
.int for cross border entities like WIPO, CERN, UN, etc.. My response would have been that that's fine, any body with addresses in multiple countries could also inhabit the .int TLD.
Later on when choosing a domain you have to battle against the public assumption that any domain name is a dot-com and the technological assumptions in autocompletion systems which only add
The real objection is that you then need an
eg:
ford.com - US site, with links to "global sites"
ford.co.uk - UK site
So where's the international site? Why it's the US site, because of course the US is the centre of the universe!
This is quite common.
Earlier this week I wote a blog post about how .um is my favorite TLD, and now it's going away! The most interesting thing I picked up about the minor outlying islands is that the US acquired them to harvest guano.
admin : why are you removing the domain? ICANN: because ICANN
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