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New Details on Xerox Inkless Printer

Iddo Genuth writes "Xerox is developing a new printing technology which does not require ink of any kind. The new technology includes reusable paper which can be printed and erased dozens of times and has the potential to revolutionize printing. New details on this upcoming technology, which was first reported in September 2006, are now revealed."

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  1. Re:Just ignore me..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  3. Fantastic by dbolger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are very few stories on Slashdot (or, for that matter, anywhere), that actually make me say "wow", but this is definitely one. I work in an office where I have to use the printer a lot, but rarely for anything long term - printing a customer's emailed comments to show a manager who doesn't have our Kana email software in place etc. That's a tremendous waste of paper, as in most cases, the paper is crumpled up and in the (sometimes recycling, but usually not) bin within minutes of printing. If that paper was reusable to this extent, our paper usage would drop to a fraction of its current rate - saving us money and helping the environment in the process. You don't get much better than that :)

    1. Re:Fantastic by Professor_UNIX · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Why don't you just forward the e-mail to your manager? Printing e-mail out is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. The last time I heard that was from idiots at work that were printing out important e-mail messages and storing them in filing cabinets to reduce their quota usage. How fucking retarded is that?

    2. Re:Fantastic by batkiwi · · Score: 4, Informative

      1. Not every organization gives every employee a PDA or laptop, so taking notes/emails to meetings requires printing them out.

      2. Unless you use software like OneNote (and have a laptop) it can be much more convenient to print out an email and "doodle" notes onto it.

    3. Re:Fantastic by dbolger · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One major reason is that out mail server (over which I have no control), can take a long time to deliver mail, even internally. If I need to show a manager a report with information they need, I print it out so that I can go to them with it in my hand, rather than sending it to them, then walking over to wait an indeterminate length of time until they get it. In other cases, I would be dealing with people who were not even at a computer, but would still need the information. I don't think its wise to call things retarded just because you can't immediately see how they work.

    4. Re:Fantastic by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I often print out my emails. I use the paper to help prioritize my day. Plus it is very easy to use a Pen to check off what I did. I could do it on the computer but it is so much easier on paper. Also giving the manager the paper is helpful because he can then mark it up himself highlight what is important to him... Although this makes the use of this technology kinda pointless because they assume you just print it out and read it. The real value in paper is the ability to mark it up.

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    5. Re:Fantastic by garcia · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Well, I don't know how many people have access to the Firehose option to "vote" on which stories should make it on the front page, but when I saw this blurb (or one similar) I thought exactly the same thing.

      I wonder if Slashdot will continue to fucking suck with their old and outdated (yes, even 24 hours is lame in this day and age) system or if the Firehose system will help Slashdot run back up w/the big dogs.

    6. Re:Fantastic by UncleTogie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let me get this straight....A /. geek is recommending that you not back up your hard drive to another medium? Whether WORM, MO, paper, {insert your fave medium here}, "important email messages" SHOULD be backed up. It's either that or a bunk hard drive means your data has been lost, found, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months before getting recycled as firelighters.

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    7. Re:Fantastic by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When I was working in the video game industry, Microsoft would release the new standards for the Xbox. Everyone who worked on an Xbox title would print the damn thing out. It wouldn't be unusual to go through three or four cases per printing cycle. It got less of a problem when the standards got updated less frequently. Re-usuable paper would work great in this environment.

    8. Re:Fantastic by fermion · · Score: 1
      The implications might be greater than this, depending on how the paper is made. There has been increasing demand for reduction of waste and reduction of risk. For instance, I feel it is worth using the Tektronix solid ink technology, now xerox, due to the fact that is no cartridge to deal with. Likewise, on low volume duplicating machines, inks are soy based. one of the remaining issues are toner based machines. Toner is not cheap, and cartridges are becoming more complex and wasteful.

      if the paper is not toxic, and is still recyclable, and is only a little more expensive that normal paper, then it could be of great benefit to end users. It seems that toner costs a cent or two per page, so if the cost of a ream of paper increases from $2 to $6, then one can still expect a saving on consumables, not to mention the ability to reuse the paper.

      Of course this level of saving is probably too much to expect. I suspect the pricing will be more like $15-$20, which will limit the papers use.

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    9. Re:Fantastic by RagingHAL · · Score: 3, Funny

      Our organization recommends that one print out the e-mail to scan it into our document management system (EMC Documentum). Your tax dollars at work!

    10. Re:Fantastic by Sam+Ritchie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree, although I have to also say that improving mail server performance is probably a lot cheaper, quicker & more realistic than waiting for an exotic printer to hit the market.

      I have a mental image of almost every retarded manager in my organisation going "Excellent, some piece of technology that can magically make my problem go away without me expending any effort to try and actually solve it."

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    11. Re:Fantastic by gbobeck · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why don't you just forward the e-mail to your manager?

      Hey, he could have an Amish manager, you insensitive English clod!
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    12. Re:Fantastic by RebelSponge · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I kind of doubt this kind of technology with dramatically change the way businesses currently use paper, because a lot of the paper that is currently "wasted" is printed out so it can be marked on. Kind of pointless to use reusable paper if you are going to mark on it.

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    13. Re:Fantastic by rolfwind · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This will probably be the minority opinion, but I find the whole idea dead on arrival because, while the concept is cool, just isn't practical in the less organized offices.

      Namely, after one printing, how will you regather the paper in a nice stack, not crumpled, creased, or otherwise used looking besides the printing in an economical manner? I wouldn't count on people being nice and turning the paper back in pristine condition.

      This stuff seems to be only for inner office use, and for very organized ones at that.

      Me? I couldn't keep track of all that - too much hassle.

      I still see e-paper being a much more efficient and exciting solution. Now that readers come out that have excellent storage (no problem with flash memory these days) in a portable format (.pdf, etc) at a good size (8.5x11 inches please) with wireless, at under $100 please. Except for the size perhaps and the price, all of these requirements are easily solved now, and the other two will be coming.

      Color would be nice, but optional for now.

      I don't see how e-paper won't dominate. In one thing the size of a thin legal pad, you could have all your papers, be able to search them and back them up to other media, and not have to go look for it and gather it up, hope it is in perfect condition, and put it in a printer like this stuff.

      If I were really reaching, I would ask this, why can't it be laminated somehow, put in a legal pad size enclosure that contains a miniature "print head" (scanner type light) and have it become the next epaper, but alas in color? That seems feasible, skips the entire idea of a blocky printer somewhere (the ink is only light right? no need for a huge printer, I think) and has the all benefits of e-paper without the drawbacks of a printed sheet.

    14. Re:Fantastic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Amish are Swiss-German.

    15. Re:Fantastic by aguenter · · Score: 1

      Swiss-German is a language, not an ethnicity, fyi.

    16. Re:Fantastic by SkaOMatic · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Tektronix/Xerox solid ink machines do a fantastic job. Print quality is excellent, and ink replacement a snap. The lack of plastic involved is great news for landfills.

      I do have to admit though, I really enjoy harassing my business partner about the solid ink. I refer to the blocks as "crayons" just because it drives him nuts. One time after he complained about ordering ink, I bought him a box of Crayolas. He was not pleased. I, of course, was. :D:D:D

    17. Re:Fantastic by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Excellent, some piece of technology that can magically make my problem go away without me expending any effort to try and actually solve it."

      That's how we ended up with all these fucking computers in the first place.

      KFG

    18. Re:Fantastic by arodland · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This "inkless printing" tech isn't valuable for making a printout you can doodle on, unless they can make a matching "inkless pen". Otherwise you erase the sheet for reuse and the "blank" paper still has your notes on it.

    19. Re:Fantastic by silent_artichoke · · Score: 1

      Where's the +2, Funny Due To Insightfulness combo mod?

    20. Re:Fantastic by DudeTheMath · · Score: 1

      This "inkless printing" tech isn't valuable for making a printout you can doodle on, unless they can make a matching "inkless pen". Otherwise you erase the sheet for reuse and the "blank" paper still has your notes on it.

      Now that I'd pay money for. I print out code to "hand-edit", step through test cases, and generally write all over. If I had a stylus that was erasable just like the printer ink, I would use the same four or five pieces of paper over and over!

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    21. Re:Fantastic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah!

      It would be a great idea...

      I guess Xerox will have to look into smart pens...

      Otherwise we will no longer be able to annotate the meeting notes.

      It would be great if you can print ink on the regular deletable paper too.. ..for forms and stuff..

    22. Re:Fantastic by necro81 · · Score: 1

      With this technology, an "inkless pen" isn't out of the question. The paper is "printed" by shining light of a specific wavelength on it (in this case, in the UV range). It isn't so farfetched to imagine a pen that shines the same wavelength of light onto the page, allowing notes to be written freehand.

    23. Re:Fantastic by vertinox · · Score: 1

      I print it out so that I can go to them with it in my hand, rather than sending it to them, then walking over to wait an indeterminate length of time until they get it.

      This is seems more like a technical problems than just email.

      Wouldn't file save as into a common share folder and then a phone call be quicker?

      Also cheaper in the long run for large organizations who spend a great deal of money on paper?

      It seems that you don't have much control over your technical part of your business, but I would have to say that the route you are going now is inefficient and perhaps should be addressed.

      Secondly, printing out things are less secure. I have seen strict policies on what can be printed and what goes into what trash can when you are done with it. Something confidential on that report might be picked out of the trash can by a janitor or picked off your desk when you aren't looking. If you have common shared directories with the correct permissions then you have instantaneous sharing as well as only making sure those who need access have access.

      Of course again you need a bit of infrastructure for this and this doesn't negate the need for printers all together. Which you may not have control over... (Although I can't help but think you guys could just set up file sharing between your computers with Windows File Sharing)

      In other cases, I would be dealing with people who were not even at a computer, but would still need the information. I don't think its wise to call things retarded just because you can't immediately see how they work.

      Again, this is beyond much of your control unless you work for a business with infrastructure. I know one client company that is requiring all their employees blackberries pretty much all the time.

      Of course this is quite stressful having work follow you around everywhere you go, but if you see business as warfare and you want to crush your competitors then I suppose equipping your employees with these tools will beat companies that don't adapt to new technologies.

      Then again... If the Blackberry exchange server is down company wide *coughs* I suppose you end up with a great deal of financial loss and screaming VPs at IT admins and you might want to keep printers as backups.

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    24. Re:Fantastic by arodland · · Score: 1

      Oh I agree, it would be sweet. And necro81, I'm not saying that it would be impossible either. Just that it would be a necessary part of making this doodling dream come true, and they haven't said anything about it yet. UV laser pens sound a little bit dangerous too ;)

    25. Re:Fantastic by KC7JHO · · Score: 1

      A very good solution for this is to use a product like Zan Image Printer to print to a tif/jpg and store the file instead of paper.
      We use it to automatically print the faxes coming into our fax server into a shared folder so we have an online archive and the users can access the faxes when they need them. Can't remember the price but I think it was not much, maybe $100 or less, has been over a year since purchase.

    26. Re:Fantastic by hb253 · · Score: 1

      Would this high performance system be Lotus Notes perchance?

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    27. Re:Fantastic by aliquis · · Score: 1

      What about instant messaging? Copy + Paste vs Copy + Paste + print + walk + wait + walk + leave + walk again?

    28. Re:Fantastic by Forseti · · Score: 1

      unless they can make a matching "inkless pen"

      You mean a pencil? ;-)

      (Yes, I'm only joking, I know that solution still has issues...)

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    29. Re:Fantastic by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      This "inkless printing" tech isn't valuable for making a printout you can doodle on, unless they can make a matching "inkless pen". Otherwise you erase the sheet for reuse and the "blank" paper still has your notes on it. i predict a use for this in the erasable contracts industry. what, you signed a contract that looked different?
    30. Re:Fantastic by Marcos+Eliziario · · Score: 1

      People change, given the right incentives and of course, the threath of punishment. Go back 100 years in time, and the simple idea that people needs to wash their hands after going to toillete would seem something almost impossible to put on people's head. 100 years later, except for some filthy freaks, nobody needs to be remembered to do so, even in a third world country like the one I live in.

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    31. Re:Fantastic by Marcos+Eliziario · · Score: 1

      ops. wrong parent.... sorry

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    32. Re:Fantastic by Marcos+Eliziario · · Score: 1

      People change, given the right incentives and of course, the threath of punishment. Go back 100 years in time, and the simple idea that people needs to wash their hands after going to toillete would seem something almost impossible to put on people's head. 100 years later, except for some filthy freaks, nobody needs to be remembered to do so, even in a third world country like the one I live in. *Now under the correct parent post

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  4. as seen on... by User+956 · · Score: 2, Informative

    This same type of tech is being integrated into cameras, by a company called zink. It's just like the old polaroid days.

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    1. Re:as seen on... by Arivia · · Score: 1

      I did an internship in an archives earlier this year.

      During a part of this, I spent about a month describing and cataloging incoming photographs. About one half of that was devoted to the one tenth of the photographs that were Polaroids. Why? Because they have such a minute lifespan that on an archives' terms, this was the last chance anyone would get to look at them possibly. So, I had to describe, in minute detail, each one.

      The question is: is this paper going to be like a Polaroid? Sure it's convenient, but I'll take a bit of a hassle to make sure my materials are still there when I or my estate's executor or my children need to get at them; that my relics will remain.

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    2. Re:as seen on... by User+956 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The question is: is this paper going to be like a Polaroid? Sure it's convenient, but I'll take a bit of a hassle to make sure my materials are still there when I or my estate's executor or my children need to get at them; that my relics will remain.

      Then get an Epson photo printer. The prints are scratch/moisture resistant, and fade resistant for 200 years, or so they say. (I guess we'll find out in 200 years)

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    3. Re:as seen on... by Stewie241 · · Score: 1

      Well the natural progression seems to be towards digital archiving... Why store boxes and boxes of photographs when you can fit the high quality original source on a DVD? (not talking about your incoming photographs, but in today's world, when digital photography has vastly replaced film, it is only natural). Papers and documents will be stored in say a PDF or some such format on a DVD as well. What we really need for archiving this is a way of managing and organizing these documents. We're getting there.

      And by the time you described the polaroids in such great detail you could have scanned them and had something that would last much longer.

  5. won't happen. by Goatbiscuit · · Score: 0, Troll

    Heh. obviously this will never happen because kkkorperate amerikkka makes all of their profit$$$ from ink.

    1. Re:won't happen. by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's going to save corporate america tons of money ...

      "The pages do degrade over time and currently can last between 16-24 hours before returning to their original blank form."

      1. ... they'll print your paychecks on it. Better cash them in quick!!!
      2. ... government lotteries will print their tickets on it - so even if you win, you're still a loser
      3. ... politicians will print their electoral platforms on it, so they'll never have to keep their promises (not that they do now)

      One real use would be newspapers - this way, instead of "buying" the news, you're just "renting" it.

    2. Re:won't happen. by mabhatter654 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      the newspaper idea is kind of cool.... you only need a newspaper for 1 day anyway 90% end up in the recycle bin. If it didn't require ink to print (or minimal ink) then you could really beef up recycling by having newspaper "vending" machines. Put your old newspaper in + a quarter or fifty cents and get the latest copy. You could of course sell the paper for several dollars on a "new" page. The thing to do as well to change culture is to make the pages more resistant to wear than regular paper.. maybe have 45 degree corners or something (BSG reference!) also develop folios and tubes to store the paper in when not in use so it stays neat and fresh... back to a little old school engineering tubes and such. Actually scrolls would work really well. They would allow long prints of dozens of pages and have a built in storage device to keep the paper fresh.. that could be why we have 3000 year old scrolls but stacked paper books don't last nearly as long.


      I'm curious if this new paper can be copied or scanned without damage. The next remaining question is if we can get notebooks made of this stuff and a special pen for writing on it... there's already 2 types of tech for reading handwriting either the logitech/penfly "dot" paper and magic pen, or the magic notebook that follows your writing. The failure of both of those models is that you spend all your time writing on ACTUAL paper, put the data into digital, then have to buy more special paper... you gain nothing over a regular notebook... unless you had magic erasing paper... now it's a really cool idea!!!!

    3. Re:won't happen. by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      develop folios and tubes to store the paper in when not in use so it stays neat and fresh.
       
      Nice idea, but people won't take any steps at all to care for the condition of the paper, especially if they are just going to return it for deposit refund or whatever. Beer stains, muddy dog footprints, circle the ad for the '83 Ford for sale in ink, fold the thing up and shove it in your back pocket.
       
      Plus, if you lose it you've lost something. If I lose a 75 cent paper, I'm out 75 cents. Or nothing, if I have already read it. If I lose a $20 "paper pad", I'm out $20. That's enough to make you a target for thieves at the bus stop, even.

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    4. Re:won't happen. by epsalon · · Score: 1

      You won't return it for a deposit refund, you'll get the new news on your existing paper, so it would be in your best interest to take care of it.

    5. Re:won't happen. by gatesvp · · Score: 1

      No, you definitely need a newspaper for more than one day. My local Saturday paper is the one with all of the Job and Rental ads, the big Obits and announcements (plus the Sunday comics one day early). The local 7-Eleven actually keeps these papers available until Sunday night b/c people (myself included) come in on Sunday looking for Saturday's paper.

      This paper is read, written on and stored for most of the week as it may take a few days to apply to all of the jobs or rental requests. People will clip out Obits for funerals later on in the week or even grab the flyers to bring to stores with them during the week ("Hello, I'm looking for one of these...")

      In the same vein, we like to store vanity or important clippings. If there was an article about me or my friends/family, I'd like to keep it. Obituaries are saveable, in fact people actually pay for extra copies just to have extra clippings (had this request when I was a delivery boy).

      The newspaper thing "seems neat" but it's really not a good idea.

    6. Re:won't happen. by steelfood · · Score: 1

      that could be why we have 3000 year old scrolls but stacked paper books don't last nearly as long. 3000 years ago, scrolls were made from hides and skins, specially cured. Paper's a more recent invention. Still, paper lasts quite a long time, even under poor storage conditions--several hundred years at the least. Books, on the other hand, are bound, and the binding makes not the individual pages but the book as a whole, more susceptible to wear.

      I'm curious if this new paper can be copied or scanned without damage. Scanning and copying merely uses a very bright light to separate the dark from the light patches. A sensor takes in this difference and produces results. If the bright light doesn't display at a wavelength to which the paper will react, then it shouldn't matter. It's like asking whether you can photocopy a b&w photograph or your hand, for that matter...
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    7. Re:won't happen. by Dragon+By+Proxy · · Score: 1

      engineering tubes and such.

      I'm sure you know what else comes in tubes.
    8. Re:won't happen. by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      that's a valid question because of the special type of paper it is. Many old school copiers use several hundred watts putting great thermal and light damage to the document. I remember it wasn't that long ago you couldn't copy things like transperancies because the copier would damage them. It's not a big concern, but due the fact it's designed to be rewritten, what's the catalyst for that process?

    9. Re:won't happen. by Kris+C · · Score: 1

      Oh no..... not another DRM..

  6. Good news, bad news by edwardpickman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Doesn't need ink but it does cost $1 a sheet for the paper. Only half joking. If they keep the cost down to 2X or 3X the cost of standard paper it'd be extremely interesting. The problem has been they virtually give away printers then soak you for the ink. I find it hard to believe the printers would be a compriable price and the paper will be even cost to the price of even expensive paper. No more clogged ink jets would be a huge improvement on it's own. I've blown through $30 in ink trying to clear the a clogged ink cartridge.

    1. Re:Good news, bad news by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Informative

      "No more clogged ink jets would be a huge improvement on it's own. I've blown through $30 in ink trying to clear the a clogged ink cartridge."

      Why would you do that when laser printers are well under $100.00 and color lasers are under $200.00?

    2. Re:Good news, bad news by garcia · · Score: 1

      Why would you do that when laser printers are well under $100.00 and color lasers are under $200.00?

      Because the toner is $120+ and while I don't know the usage patters of the parent, I wouldn't need to spend $220 on a printer when I print maybe 50 sheets of paper at home a year.

    3. Re:Good news, bad news by anagama · · Score: 1

      If you only print 50 pages per year, the standard cartridge that comes with an el-cheapo laserjet would last about till retirement age. Think of that -- never buy ink/toner again. There was a time I went about 5 years without changing the cart in my HP Laserjet 4L. Toner doesn't go bad at the rate ink does. If you have spend $30/year unclogging your printer, you'll still save money with a laser jet.

      Plus when it comes toime to refill in case you ever do start printing more, you can try something like "tonerrefillkits.com". As an example, we do that for the office printer. You can generally refill a cartridge 3 times before the drum wears out. A new cartridge (17.5k pages) is about $180. A bottle of toner around $50. So for $330, we get 70k page prints. The cost is much cheaper for little printers of course (perhaps not on a per page basis, but on a per cart/refill basis -- you're still looking at 2500-3500 pages even with little carts).

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    4. Re:Good news, bad news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to use a HP 4100N and $120 toner at my last job. It would handle about 3500 to 4000 pages.

    5. Re:Good news, bad news by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Toss it and get new heads. They usually come with a full set of inks and rarely cost more than $10-$20 over that.

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    6. Re:Good news, bad news by rtb61 · · Score: 1
      Paperwork shufflers rejoice. My favorite file used to be the WPB file (waste paper basket for all you youngsters). Now they want me to keep all those useless scraps of paper, news at eleven, filing cabinet companies stocks skyrocket.

      You want cheaper printing, just legislate refillable ink containers and open specs on the ink, just watch the cost or printing drop by a factor of ten.

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    7. Re:Good news, bad news by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      Because the toner is $120+

      No, a toner/drum assembly is $120. Toner is significantly less than that if you buy from a company that separates the two.

      Spending $220 today can get you a networked, duplexing laser printer that will last your 50-sheet-a-year habit an amazing length of time. (20 years if nothing corrodes.)

    8. Re:Good news, bad news by Reziac · · Score: 1

      My Epson ActionLaser 1500 (hardly a high-end printer in its day, and bought as a refurb) is now 12 years old and is still on its original toner cart, with about 30% left to go. It's probably printed about 7000 pages, judging by how much I've used from of a case of paper of similar vintage. Still works fine, and has had zero maintenance.

      The replacement toner kit for this one *is* around $150, but it includes a fresh imaging unit. Even so, the cost of operation is a fraction of that for an inkjet.

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    9. Re:Good news, bad news by JonTurner · · Score: 0

      >>No, a toner/drum assembly is $120. Toner is significantly less than that if you buy from a company that separates the two.

      Exactly right. And if you can find a shop that will refill your toner assembly, you're talking about refilling a 5000-page toner at a price comparable to a puny 100-page (if you're lucky) inkjet cartridge.
      It's been my experience that the transfer drum degrades gracefully... lasting anywhere from 2-3 toner refills.

    10. Re:Good news, bad news by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Gotta agree with you there. I bought a color laser last year for $300 shipped and haven't had to touch it since. Before I had to field calls all the time when the inkjet needed unclogging and it constantly needed new cartridges. Lasers just work, and you can't argue with that.

      Sure, toner is pricey, but so is ink. My printer costs 1.5 cents for black, and 4.5 cents for color per page. It would be hard to find an inkject that can beat those prices (and yes, that is for 5% coverage). For photos there is always Walmart - far cheaper than just about any consumer printer when you consider TCO. About the only time we print photos is when we just have to have them fast.

      Anybody still using ink should take a serious look at color lasers and to the math...

    11. Re:Good news, bad news by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      "Because the toner is $120+ and while I don't know the usage patters of the parent, I wouldn't need to spend $220 on a printer when I print maybe 50 sheets of paper at home a year."

      I spent $250 on a laser printer several years ago. I'm still on the original toner cartridge. Funny thing about toner: it doesn't magically disappear when not in use like ink does.

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    12. Re:Good news, bad news by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      Doesn't need ink but it does cost $1 a sheet for the paper...No more clogged ink jets would be a huge improvement on it's own.

      In order to get your money's worth, you'll have to use each page an average of, what? 10? 20 times?

      When a paper jam costs you $1 per sheet, do you really want to re-use the paper that often?

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    13. Re:Good news, bad news by KlaymenDK · · Score: 1

      You can generally refill a cartridge 3 times before the drum wears out. The last laser printer I bought, I selected specifically because (it had a LAN port and) did not need drum replacements -- so paper and the occasional toner is all that I need to feed it.
    14. Re:Good news, bad news by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      I hate to break it to you, but "not needing drum replacements" is most likely a euphemism for "having an integrated drum/toner cartridge, so replacing the toner means replacing the drum at the same time." Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, mind you -- my Brother HL-2070N is like that. But it's important to at least be aware of such things, you know?

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    15. Re:Good news, bad news by karnal · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I have the same printer, and I'm actually glad it's all in one kit. One less "specific" thing to worry about.

      To add: I REALLY REALLY don't miss having to refill ink cartridges. I can't believe I didn't buy an inexpensive laser printer sooner. It prints so much faster....

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    16. Re:Good news, bad news by anagama · · Score: 1

      The printer I mention above also has an integrated drum/toner cart. I just punch a hole the toner area, fill it up, and then put in a plug. The hole punch is a soldering iron with an "O" shaped tip, and the plugs come with my toner order. It about 3.2 minutes to punch the hole (3 minutes to warm up, a few seconds to punch it, set down the iron, and unplug it) and of course, this need be done only once -- use the same hole in subsequent refills. It then takes a minute or two to refill the cart and replace the hole plug. I never refilled ink cartridges, but refilling a toner/drum cart is pretty painless.

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    17. Re:Good news, bad news by anagama · · Score: 1

      My favorite file used to be the WPB file (waste paper basket for all you youngsters).
      We just call that the "round file".
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    18. Re:Good news, bad news by karnal · · Score: 1

      Sweet; now I can just refill my cart :)

      Refilling an Ink Cart requires (at least when I do it) that some ink leakage occurs and something gets ink on it; you have to handle the carts carefully and try not to over-fill. You also need to leave the air holes' passageways open, otherwise the cart won't work correctly.... probably took me on the order of 1/2 an hour to do a full color fill (probably about 13 minutes for black only) due to prep time and clean up afterwards.

      The Laser printers (even ones with small toners) are invariably more expensive from a fill/replacement cart perspective, but it's much less of my time - and I get a larger page count between consumable replacement. This is what makes me smile.

      Oh yea, and true 20 PPM printing. I've NEVER had an inkjet that could do even close to 5ppm, unless the page was 99% blank.

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    19. Re:Good news, bad news by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      I have the same printer, and I'm actually glad it's all in one kit.

      Actually, I would have preferred that it be separate, but the integrated unit was a trade-off I made in order to get a lower initial cost (in other words, all the [network] printers with separate toner and drums were at least $100 more).

      I REALLY REALLY don't miss having to refill ink cartridges.

      Can't argue with you there, especially since mine tended to need to be refilled not from use, but because the damn ink evaporated and/or clogged the print heads!

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  7. This will never work. by miroth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An inkless printer will never be a viable profit-generating product unless it costs many, many thousands of dollars. Printer manufacturers make most of their money from consumables, and a printer which requires no consumables (even the paper is resuable) will never make it to market.

    1. Re:This will never work. by Prysorra · · Score: 1

      Not if they're not the company selling the ink ;)

    2. Re:This will never work. by Paisley+Phrog · · Score: 2

      You're thinking in terms of very, very low-end consumer grade printers. This is the sort of thing that will appeal to business-class users, where copiers/printers are charged per per sheet (click), on top of a lease/usage contract. (Toner is usually provided free of charge in such contracts, anyway..it's built into the click charge.)

    3. Re:This will never work. by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      Correction: The GP is thinking in terms of printer manufacturers. Xerox also makes the paper.

    4. Re:This will never work. by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Not true. Refrigerators don't break. Companies still sell millions of them per year. CRT TVs don't break either and when last have you broken a hammer?

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    5. Re:This will never work. by P3NIS_CLEAVER · · Score: 1

      If anyone knows how to market hideously expensive printers it is Xerox.

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    6. Re:This will never work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CRT's don't break? Why have I had two die in my lifetime? On one the picture area shrunk until there was just a few pixel showing in the center, and the other the picture cut out completely, it just played sound. I probably could have had them fixed, but for just a little more money I could buy a newer, better TV, so I did.

    7. Re:This will never work. by umbra_dweller · · Score: 1

      On the business level it should work out. The large capacity printers cost big bucks anyways, and are probably under lease in a lot of situations rather than bought outright. And since Xerox would also make the paper, they can leave it slightly imperfect so that it degrades over time (I believe the article says it currently lasts about 50 rounds), so there's your consumables.

    8. Re:This will never work. by FridayBob · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, the sales of the necessary special patented reusable paper will make up for the fact that Xerox won't be selling you any ink for these printers. And it's not like your entire office will be able to get away with a single purchase of, say, 1000 pages of this stuff per employee. Some of it will be mailed away to clients and other 3rd parties, much of it will be deliberately mutilated (such as by having holes punched in it), and even more will disappear into company archives. It's also possible that after only a few uses, the average sheet of this stuff will end up looking pretty shabby due to normal (ab)use, Whatever, one wonders about Xerox's basic motivation behind the introduction of this product. I guess they figure there's now more money to be made from the sale of (special) paper than from toner cartridges.

    9. Re:This will never work. by BarneyL · · Score: 1

      An inkless printer will never be a viable profit-generating product unless it costs many, many thousands of dollars. Printer manufacturers make most of their money from consumables, and a printer which requires no consumables (even the paper is resuable) will never make it to market.
      This is assuming that there is some big conspiracy between every company in the world to keep up the ink cartel.

      Personally I would buy one of these things and a lot of other people would too. At that point someone is going to start selling the things because it will make them money. Every other manufaturer then has to follow or get left behind and makes even less because no one will need buy their ink anymore.

      The hardware side of the business will then continue to roll on; better print resolutions, cheaper media, someone will get colour working, then photo quality printing and so on.

    10. Re:This will never work. by swatthatfly · · Score: 1

      This will replace both ink and paper. I doubt there is any money to be made in selling paper, however there are lots of money in ink. So by selling the special paper you are in effect selling ink, and getting a cash cow. So the printers may still be sold at cost, while the actual paper will be overpriced.

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    11. Re:This will never work. by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      My parent's TV died at the ripe old age of 21. A TV I bought a few years ago developed colour issues and had to be replaced (fortunately under warranty). I've seen fridges break, and I have personally broken a hammer in normal usage conditions (it was a small hammer and a big job).

      Your assertion that fridges don't break is actually laughable, as they contain moving parts. Moving parts means frictional wear, which means eventual breakage.

    12. Re:This will never work. by danpsmith · · Score: 1

      An inkless printer will never be a viable profit-generating product unless it costs many, many thousands of dollars. Printer manufacturers make most of their money from consumables, and a printer which requires no consumables (even the paper is resuable) will never make it to market.

      And this is, in the end, why capitalism prevents _real_ innovation.

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    13. Re:This will never work. by arodland · · Score: 1

      My parents' TV also died at the age of about 20... and it didn't die of natural causes either, I sort of accidentally exploded it.

    14. Re:This will never work. by Chryana · · Score: 1

      This printer is not meant to replace a normal printer. The guy from Xerox who was interviewed in the article makes it very clear that this technology would be added to a normal printer, so that you can make either reusable or permanent documents.

    15. Re:This will never work. by Marcos+Eliziario · · Score: 1

      Sure!!! We must thank Soviet Union, Cuba and China for having the internet, satellite communications, v1agr2, macintoshes, linux, VoIP, 7+1 receivers, NMR scanners, LCDs, cell phones etc etc etc. And what would be the state of quantum physics without soviet institutions like the MIT? Or Cuban ones like Caltech? If we had to depend on capitalism for _real_ innovation, we all know that we would be driving a Trabi now.

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  8. Next up... by rob1980 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wireless wire, cordless power strips.

    1. Re:Next up... by bogd · · Score: 1

      The wireless wire is already here (think 802.11 :P ). Now if we only had cordless power, we might actually experience some mobility... (I cannot talk about "mobility" as long as I'm still tied up with a power cord any time I want to work on my computer for more than 2 or 3 hours)

  9. Can't see this working in the real world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many of you have tried to conserve paper by manually duplexing on a low-end printer (at home say) and found that just flipping the page over carefully is enough to cause the paper to jam.

    How are Xerox planning on coping with dog-earing, tearing, scuffing and otherwise deformed paper?

    1. Re:Can't see this working in the real world by russ1337 · · Score: 1

      >>> How are Xerox planning on coping with dog-earing, tearing, scuffing and otherwise deformed paper?

      My thoughts exactly.

      I also expect a few patents on the paper itself, and it'll cost a pretty penny.

      Sales pitches will be based on saving a few dollars if you recycle 90% of your paper, but we all know you'd be lucky if 50% of it gets reused.

      It'll be the old case of 'looks cheaper on paper' but ultimately costs more than all the ink in India.

    2. Re:Can't see this working in the real world by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Occurs to me that one solution might be a pre-processing unit built into the printer, which proceeds to pressure-roll the paper into compliance with what the printer's paper path expects.

      Or maybe they've been selling us shitty paper paths on purpose, and the only real difference here is that this printer will finally have a GOOD paper path. ;)

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    3. Re:Can't see this working in the real world by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      Paper paths are determines by a number of factors, firstly - the more trays a printer has, the more places it has to be able to pick the paper up from. While logically it would be possible to move the paper trays to allow a straight through paper path from any tray - it would require a lot of space and would be a large moving assembly that would jam if it got even a fraction out of alignment.

      The less turns, the least number of moving components and the shortest path generally gives you the least misfeeds.

      Small footprint printers get around this problem by having no tray and drop feeding the paper through a mostly gravity fed slot. These sort of mechanisms don't handle significant variation in stock weight over time, they tend to expand over time and start mis-feeding as they pick up too many sheets at a time.

      Now that's just for single sided printing - what about duplex. Oh, and booklet making, folding, paper from different trays for the same print job, interposers picking up pages post-fuser.

      Some devices have really clever paper paths. It's not a simple problem to solve.

      Disclaimer - I work for Xerox

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    4. Re:Can't see this working in the real world by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      It'll be the old case of 'looks cheaper on paper' but ultimately costs more than all the ink in India.

      Very punny!

    5. Re:Can't see this working in the real world by EightySeven · · Score: 1

      By selling you more paper?

      How else are they gonna make money on this?

    6. Re:Can't see this working in the real world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many of you have tried to conserve paper by manually duplexing on a low-end printer (at home say) and found that just flipping the page over carefully is enough to cause the paper to jam. Never. You must buy really shitty printers. Try not crumpling the paper into a ball and then flattening it and re-feeding it into the printer.
    7. Re:Can't see this working in the real world by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I was being facetious, but yes... paper paths can be an ugly thing, and the simpler they are, the fewer places they can go wrong (and the less swearing one does whilst extracting a paper jam :) And yeah, people here tend to forget it's not just about printing single-sided memos!

      You're with Xerox, eh? In that case, let me relate what has been volunteered at me in EVERY conversation I've had in the past couple years, re small-business printers: Xerox needs to seriously rethink their paper paths; constant jamming is the #1 complaint. I know one fellow who prints enough to go thru 50 toner carts a month, and he finally gave up on his Xerox (it's now retired -- warranty, service contract, and all) and went to using only his HP, of similar grade and vintage. (Somewhere in the $3k-$5k range of printers.)

      I've been to Xerox presentations and loved some of the ideas they're coming up with (particularly for networked printers), but when I say to someone, "have you looked at the Xerox Whatever model?" and they immediately produce a firsthand horror story, that's something the company needs to be aware of, that they may not be hearing about from their service contractors.

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    8. Re:Can't see this working in the real world by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      I have passed on my own feedback regarding some of the printer ranges. I am unsure whether we get the same models here in Australia - we get a mix of product from the US and Japanese operating companies.

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    9. Re:Can't see this working in the real world by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Always good to know someone is listening!

      No idea about what models they sell where; I'm in the U.S.

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  10. Better idea by zymano · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If there were an OPEN SOURCE type printer without all constricting licensing crap.

    We could use cheap ink. It would be AMAZING. You could print out photographic posters for cents.

    You could redecorate your house with your own designs or photos like wallpaper.

    A lucrative idea out there. Just remember you heard it here.

    1. Re:Better idea by tajmorton · · Score: 1

      If there were an OPEN SOURCE type printer without all constricting licensing crap.
      You mean like hpijs/hplip? (Funded by HP).

      We could use cheap ink. It would be AMAZING. You could print out photographic posters for cents. You could redecorate your house with your own designs or photos like wallpaper.
      The ink is expensive because HP/Canon/Whoever spent lots of money developing inks that work well with the paper you print on (and because it's high quality). You can buy cheap/crappy ink, but it's not going to look the same as a high quality HP ink on HP Photo Paper.
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    2. Re:Better idea by senatorpjt · · Score: 1

      I think he was referring to open ink cartridges. You could just pour ink in a hole in the top of the printer or something.

      As good as HP ink might be, it's not $2000/gallon good.

    3. Re:Better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like continous ink cartridges ? They are a cheap and available for lots of printer models from hp, epson etc.

    4. Re:Better idea by Reece400 · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, and we could brew our own ink using kitchen products from an opensource ink recipe book!!

  11. No cost for ink!!! by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Problem is the paper costs $45.95 per sheet quits working if it get's treated like a normal piece of paper.

    I see Proud IT managers showing off this new tech and then screaming in pain as the Director of sales grabs it folds it in half and staples it.

    If they get the cost of the paper to only 2x the cost of normal paper they may MAY have a chance. but right now laser printers and cheap copy paper is incredibly cheap.

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    1. Re:No cost for ink!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      If they get the cost of the paper to only 2x the cost of normal paper they may MAY have a chance. but right now laser printers and cheap copy paper is incredibly cheap. Say it ain't so.
  12. slashdotted by lessthanjakejohn · · Score: 1, Informative
    1. Re:slashdotted by acidrain · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...and they cached an "account suspended" page. Thanks...

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  13. I can hardly wait! by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As if the $2000 per gallon of ink wasn't enough, now we'll have $300 sheets of paper...

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    1. Re:I can hardly wait! by dbolger · · Score: 1

      It really depends on the durability. I'd buy an incredibly expensive sheet of paper if it meant I wouldn't need to buy another sheet ever again.

    2. Re:I can hardly wait! by sa1lnr · · Score: 2, Funny

      "now we'll have $300 sheets of paper..."

      Yep, we are going to get reamed on that.

  14. Blogvertizement alert by caseih · · Score: 1

    Editors why did this get posted? There's not a single primary or even secondary link in that summary. Besides that, his blog is now slashdoted, so we can't even check to see if that has any primary sources. Note to the submitter, don't do this anymore. I don't mind people linking to their blogs in a passive way, but include some sources in your stories, please.

    1. Re:Blogvertizement alert by Ralconte · · Score: 1

      Wow. We slashdotted the story. They coral-cashed the error message. It came up a year ago on slashdot, but the original link is, of course, dead. Listen, that's fine for many /. stories. We can glean enough info from the content of the messages posted, or we can google the title, or check wikipedia. But something like this, transient documents , ink-less printers is to far out there. All we can talk about is what we don't know. Oh hey, I got a cure for AIDS, and cancer and it's a cheap free fusion engine, with possible FTL capability. I can't back that up with any documents of course, should I submit it as an article on slashdot?

  15. dupe of sorts by tverbeek · · Score: 2, Funny

    I seem to recall reading an article like this on Slashdot back in '42. Xerox patented this technology called "dry printing" (xeros graphos in Greek) that didn't use ink, but a material known as "toner".

    (Yes, I do hate it when people refer to toner and ink interchangeably as "ink"; why do you ask?)

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    1. Re:dupe of sorts by Jarn_Firebrand · · Score: 0

      I got this new printer doo-hicky but I'm not sure if it uses ink or ink! Ink, you see, is used in inkjets. Ink, on the other hand, is used in laser printers. But I'm confused. :(

  16. Interesting tech, but sounds impractical by vadim_t · · Score: 1
    Problems this probably would have:
    • Paper jams. Paper definitely doesn't come out exactly the same way it went in, and any handling of the output will probably make a jam a lot more likely.
    • Paper will probably cost an arm and a leg, so it would nullify savings anyway. This is a niche application, while normal paper is in really massive production.
    • Fading output is nasty - I really hate the thermal ticket paper that eventually fades so much as to render the output unreadable. I bet the shops love the reduced amount of returns though.
    1. Re:Interesting tech, but sounds impractical by Jeremy_Bee · · Score: 1

      Problems this probably would have:
      * Paper jams. Paper definitely doesn't come out exactly the same way it went in, and any handling of the output will probably make a jam a lot more likely. I think this post really hits the nail on the head.
      I once had a job where I was responsible for husbanding a small print centre and the top four causes of jams (and these four things pretty much covered 100% of the jams), were ...

      1) Dust (leaving stacks of paper uncovered, or leaving the printer tray uncovered causes large numbers of paper jams)
      2) Too much black in the image (the exponential increase in toner on the page changes the timing of the printing cycle enough to cause a jam)
      3) Slight creases in the paper
      4) Re-using old paper

      It's really only the very careful handling of absolutely *pristine* paper supplies that ensures that jams are history. Most bulk printing/copying shops will toss reams of paper in the recycle for minor faults like bent corners just to avoid the possibility of jamming half way through a big job.
      From what I am hearing (I can't actually load the link), this purported technology actually seems to *rely* on loading and reloading the same paper over and over again, and requires the user to be even *more* careful with this "superpaper" than with the regular stuff.

      That's not a benefit, that's a major problem.
  17. Historical Screw ups by robbiedo · · Score: 1

    Xerox has developed so many amazing technologies which either never made it to market, or were brought to market by a myriad of other companies while the company has struggled for years to grow new business opportunities, and growth. This is very interesting, and this is definitely perking up interest. How often do we print something which we only need for a short time? I suspect 95% of what I print is transitory in nature.

  18. Here's the patent. by zymano · · Score: 4, Informative
  19. Cost by tktk · · Score: 1

    And how much is the reusable paper going to cost? It'd better close to the cost of ink + paper or else no one's going to buy it.

  20. Article text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Xerox Inkless Printer
    Written by Iddo Genuth Thursday, 15 February 2007

    Xerox is developing a new printing technology which does not require ink of any kind. The new technology includes reusable paper which can be printed and erased dozens of times and has the potential to revolutionize printing. Although the technology is still in the early stages of development, it has the potential to cut printing costs and reduce office paper usage dramatically. New details on this upcoming technology are revealed here for the first time.

    The dream of the paperless office

    One of the earliest articles discussing the topic of the paperless office was "the Office of the Future" published in the June 1975 issue of Business Week. The idea, bandied about many times since, was the elimination of most or all paper which has been piling around in our offices in the last several decades.
    The personal computer revolution of the 1980s brought with it the hope of the paperless office as there was a shift from the old-fashioned typewriters to viewing and editing documents on computer screens. But this dream vanished quickly as people realized that their monochromatic cathode ray tube (CRT) displays were uncomfortable to watch for long periods of time. Aggravating the problem was the introduction of the low-cost office printer, capable of making dozens of copies of each document (an ability which was limited until that time to large and expensive photocopying machines).
    Book on an LCD-difficult to read Book on an LCD-difficult to read
    As years passed by it seemed that the introduction of the personal computer not only did not reduce the amount of paper produced in our offices, it actually increased it.
    The widespread adoption of liquid crystal display (LCD) technology in recent years made some people hopeful again for at least some reduction in office paper production, but although LCD might be somewhat more comfortable to watch than the older CRT screens, most people still find it difficult to read long documents on the computer screen; and in most cases anything above one or two pages will get printed at least once.
    The old/new hope of electronic paper

    In the 1970s, Xeroxs Palo Alto Research Center (PARC) was a powerhouse of innovation. Many aspects of what we now see as the modern computer, namely the mouse, the laser printer, the Ethernet, GUI, computer-generated color graphics, as well as a number of important computer languages, were invented at PARC around that time. The development of the Gyricon, which was nearly lost among all those important breakthroughs, was originally invented in 1974 by PARC employee Nicholas K. Sheridon as a new display technology for the company ALTO personal computer. Eventually, the Gyricon (a Greek term meaning rotating image) turned out to be the basis for modern e-paper technology.

    Electronic paper (e-paper) is the name given to several distinctly different technologies (to be covered in depth by a forthcoming TFOT article) which are capable of displaying text, images and in the case of some e-paper technologies, video, on a thin (occasionally flexible) sheet of plastic. In many respects e-paper is more similar to a digital display than to paper. E-paper displays can change the image at a press of a button, store countless articles or books and can even be made interactive allowing a user to add content, search and perform other operations. The important advantage of e-paper over conventional screen technology is its readability. Unlike conventional screen technology, e-paper doesn't emit light on its own; rather, it uses the ambient light to reflect the text just like ordinary paper. E-paper has the potential to eliminate paper usage in future offices but it remains to be seen whether it will be successful where so many previous technologies have failed.
    Commercial e-paper technology is finally starting to appear on the market but it will take seve

    1. Re:Article text by tpet · · Score: 1

      "Erasable paper technology is based on a photochromic concept similar to transition sunglasses which turn dark in bright sunlight and are seen through in a dark room." What I wonder is whether the paper would work when you take it outside... I don't think documents that couldn't be exposed to the sun would be particularly valuable, except maybe as a security measure. "Here, take this super secret document and give it to our competitors! Just make sure you take it to them in the daytime..."

  21. They would have loved this by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    Arthur Anderson auditing firm and Enron would have loved this technology. Dont shred incriminating documents, just erase and reprint innocuous shipping vouchers on them and say, "Gee! we were just saving money, cutting down on printing costs, We would have never intentionally destroyed evidence wink wink"

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  22. More Expense by MrSteveSD · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Great, so now we will have to buy both ridiculously expensive ink and ridiculously expensive paper.

    1. Re:More Expense by advs89 · · Score: 0

      Did you even read the SUMMARY???

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  23. Wrong link. About cantilevers by zymano · · Score: 1

    alternative to bubblejets.

  24. and who will employ the squid? by abes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think this is a great idea. Except for the fact that I almost only print things out so I can write on them. If I didn't need to write on the paper, I probably would just read it from the screen. Occasionally I'll print out a map or a list to take with me, but then it gets put in my pocket and ultimately ends up torn, scrunched, and not so reusable.

    So while I'm sure the Earth applauds this invention, I'm not quite sure for whom or understand what circumstances its useful. I also wonder how resusability is there. They claim 50 reprints, but I wonder if the image quality is as good by the 20th time as the first. Also, it apparently fades within a day.

    It's not that I think the technology is useless, just limited.

    1. Re:and who will employ the squid? by zsau · · Score: 1

      Umm... It writes on the paper by exposing it to a certain wavelength of light. I would think it would be pretty trivial to design a laserpen that emits that wavelength. It'd be a bit funny to use, but so much more convenient than a mouse, touchpad, touchscreen or graphics tablet.

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    2. Re:and who will employ the squid? by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I think the whole point of using paper nowadays is that it's disposable, so you don't have to worry about it. For example, the idea of newspapers downloaded onto an e-paper came up few years ago. Imagine the amount of fingerprints, coffee stains etc. accumulated on the paper over a year or so.

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  25. No ink? by digitig · · Score: 1

    Can be erased and re-written?

    That would be pencil, then.

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    1. Re:No ink? by ThisNukes4u · · Score: 1

      The "ink" in a pencil is graphite, which is consumable, just like the "ink" in a laser printer is toner.

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  26. So what? by Thezez · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm wearing fabricless underwear

    1. Re:So what? by CrazyP · · Score: 1

      All that means is that you aren't wearing any...hopefully you don't have frabicless pants on as that might not go over to well in the office!

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    2. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tinfoil, then?

  27. Breakthrough by zman189 · · Score: 1

    This is just the first step. The next version will use no ink and no paper. April Fool's day came early.

  28. Why not... by DimGeo · · Score: 1

    ... feed the printer a whiteboard-type thing that you can write on and which can be erased easily. More durable than regular paper anyway.

  29. jamming by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The new technology includes reusable paper which can be printed and erased dozens of times and has the potential to revolutionize printing

    I spent several hellish months working at an advertising company with a boatload of medium-sized digital copiers, some b&w, some color. All were made by Xerox. Guess what they were doing, almost constantly? Jamming. Xerox liked to blame our paper, claiming it wasn't "consistent enough", and the magical solution was to buy Xerox paper. We refused, and simply pestered the shit out of their support people (fixed price support contract), calling them every time a printer started jamming regularly, if they were not on-site already to fix one of the other printers (they broke/crashed regularly.)

    How is this relevant, you wonder? Well, the first lesson with laser printers is to never re-use paper in any laser printer. The slightest dirt scratches the imaging drum, a crease or wrinkle causes a misfeed or jam, and so on; you don't want to know how much damage a single paper clip can cause in a 35-40ppm digital copier, either. Inkjets are fine in this regard, but the complex paper feeding mechanisms in laser printers/copiers don't really like anything but pristine paper. The slightest thing like, say, the rubber on pickup/feed rollers getting a little too hard with age or less sticky and....

    Oh, and the high-speed (20+PPM) printers have to slow down as the paper gets thicker. Dramatically. This fancy paper is probably thicker.

    If they can't build a printer that can handle "fresh out of the box" copier paper, how do they expect to be able to handle paper that's been even *slightly* used once, much less five times? Other problems: staples; people who want to write on pieces of paper; finger oil/coffee spills. Etc. Now you have to stock two kinds of paper, your printer has half the effective paper capacity since it now stores two types, and users have to decide on usage prior to printing ("do I want to save this for more than 16 hours? Do I want to write on it?"), have the proper drivers installed, etc. I had enough trouble getting people to print duplex to save paper- and most of the time, people didn't bother to set up the proper printer driver, or even call us to do so.

    PS:Despite the issues with newer (last 2-3 years) Xerox printers, where the profit seems to come from service contracts- if you have lots of little personal-sized printers, do yourself a favor and replace them with a MUCH smaller quantity of small/medium-size workgroup network printers. The supplies are cheaper per page and you'll have to stock fewer *kinds* of supplies as well, the supplies (like drums/toner cartridges) last longer, they're designed to be more serviceable, they're usually faster...and they're not built-to-a-price as badly as the "personal" units (HP 1100, anyone? :-)

    1. Re:jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the first lesson with laser printers is to never re-use paper in any laser printer.

      100% correct. I used to work in the book-publishing industry, so we were printing lots and lots of pages (no, not the final books ;), usually on B&W LaserJets. I still have several HP LaserJet 4M+ network printers (with the RAM now upgraded ;) that are still printing happily, one of them having printed more than 300.000 pages. Price per page on that serie of LaserJet is, if I'm not mistaken, the lower of every single B&W laser printer ever made. Good stuff... This was before they started to 'build-to-a-price'. Grab one on eBay if you can find one that hasn't been much used, you'll then keep it for a decade :)

      Anyway, during the years I indeed learned to never ever reuse a single page, not even if it came 'completely white' out of the printer. I'm trying to explain that to my girlfriend since years but she refuses to believe me and insist on reusing paper. And she does have paper jams and refuse to admit its because she's doing a disservice to the printer :-/

    2. Re:jamming by drix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I love how the default reaction of /. to someone who thought of something that /. didn't is a mad rush to come up with some trivial, glaringly obvious nitpick that's primed to bring the whole house of cards tumbling down. As if Xerox simply put 700 monkeys in a gymnasium and somebody peeked in one morning to discover that they'd just happened to invent a new, revolutionary way to print things.

      I mean .. these people have PhDs for crying out loud. If Xerox designed a whole entire technology around reusable, reprintable paper, then something tells me they'd spend a little more time engineering the reuse part of the equation, no? So how relevant? Not very, I'd say. Yesterday's printers weren't built for it; sounds like tomorrow's may well be.

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    3. Re:jamming by mjwx · · Score: 0

      Konica Minolta C350. We have one in a Small-Medium Enterprise, jams about once every 3 months but other than that its perfect. The only problem we have with it is the Fiery module we bought to attach onto it. The damn thing seems to stop working when it gets to about 25% of its disk capacity but the printer itself is fine.

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    4. Re:jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We also have a Xerox printer that crumples paper, and Xerox (well, their local Ultimate Super Solution Emitter) also advise us that despite the paper drawer having a range of weights listed on it that covers our paper, the paper says "laser" on the packet, and it runs fine in other laser printers, and following all the guidelines as listed in a document not titled "101 Reasons Our Printers Mangling Paper Is Your Fault" that I discovered on their website, yes, you guessed it, all our problems would go away if only we'd buy some Xerox paper.

      I therefore conclude that Xerox do, in fact, design new products by putting 700 monkeys in a gymnasium. Or, at the very least, given their past record, once the printers start eating the nice reusable paper due to the whiny tolerances that their paper paths posess, this will somehow be the customer's fault, rectifiable only by trading the basic paper for the UltimatePremium sheets at five times the cost.

    5. Re:jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I own a HP LaserJet 1100 and it did have problems with feeding multiple pages in the beginning, until I received a rubber band from HP to repair it. Nowadays, I print with it on both sides and it rarely feeds many pages, so I wonder why do people keep mentioning this?

    6. Re:jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's just the brand you are using.

      My 5 year old HP 1200 LaserJet (a cheapo home printer if you don't know) has printed thousands upon thousands of pages without missing a beat. And I refeed the paper to print on both sides almost all the time. This printer has never jammed once.

    7. Re:jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the real reason for not re-using paper in a laser printer is the fuser. Even if a page comes out totally blank, it has been heated by the fuser, making it dryer than fresh paper and also somewhat prone to curling.

  30. boooya by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you've just been slashdotted biatch

  31. How should these be tagged? by istartedi · · Score: 1

    This fits into a category of "that would be cool, but I can't buy it yet so why should I care?". I just can't think of a way to put that in a one-word tag or even a two-word jumble tag. I was thinking RSN (for Real Soon Now) but that could apply to other things besides products we can't buy yet. Tagging it vaporware is a bit too pejorative; they aren't all vaporware. That would be a separate tag. "Cantbuyityet" is short, but it's much too jumbly, even considering the tendancy for tags to be jumbly anyway. Articles like this occur frequently on Slashdot. This article sort of fits in with the "fancy hi-tech paper" category. A similar vein is "readable e-books". Then there's the ever-present fantasticly dense storage or reasonably-priced flash drives that compete with spinning drives. It's always "just a year or two away" or "under development" at some huge corporation. It's fantastic enough to be cool, just on that fuzzy border of tech where they could surprise us and release it next year, or we might not get it for 10 years; or longer. It's not un-believable, but it's just not here yet. I can't buy it. It may very well exist in a research lab someplace, but... you... just... can't... buy... it. tag: cantbuyityet. Sorry. It's the best I can think of. Any better ideas?

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    1. Re:How should these be tagged? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hypeoware - it's being hyped, but that doesn't mean you can buy it.

  32. Coming soon... by jemenake · · Score: 5, Funny

    The new technology includes reusable paper which can be printed and erased dozens of times...
    Coming soon to your local office-supply store... 8.5x11 and A4 paper will now be labeled "8.5x11-R" and "A4-R" in preparation for the arrival of "8.5x11-RW" and "A4-RW". In a related story, Sony announced today their competing "8.5x11+RW" and "A4+RW" formats.
    1. Re:Coming soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tell me when they get to dvd-rw so i can print 20 pages in one

  33. But don't leave it in the sun... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've used inkless special paper technology in the 1980's. It was probably the very first printer to use with my somewhat new 8-bit Atari. But don't leave the special paper out in the sun or near heat for very long or it'll turn brown.

  34. Toys! by Diordna · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One could make a killing selling this paper with a sort of light pen and light eraser. Just like a pencil, but without the erasor shreddings.

  35. picture by senatorpjt · · Score: 1

    The picture in the article looks like the ink is barely readable, except for printing large logos. Or am I missing something?

    1. Re:picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not just that one - all of the pictures are useless. A brave effort, but I had difficulty taking the article seriously with these pictures:

      * Prehistoric Mac. Apparently we didn't have technology before the Mac.
      * A very old electronic display that does not make me want one.
      * Someone looking at a picture of a book on their E-reader. A picture! Apparently the future doesn't have .TXT, .PDF or OCR technology, but can show grayscale bitmaps made with a scanner.
      * Blurry picture of a building "From The Future"!
      * Some dude holding a piece of paper, with photography so bad half the picture is of the wall.
      * Oakley, showing their amazing sunglasses technology. Except not since it actually shows off photoshop technology.
      * Some dude holding paper like an Anime character about to attack. Watch out, Pokemans!

      And then the site went down.

  36. Mine doesn't need ink either. by Timothy+Chu · · Score: 1

    Mine doesn't require ink either. But the fainting spells I go through when trying to print 100 page documents with my blood are a bit of a drag.

  37. So now they can gouge us on custom paper? by Daikiki · · Score: 1

    The only possible benefit of not requiring ink is the implied savings in not having to pay a hojillion billion dollars per picaliter of the stuff. So now we have a printer that requires no ink, but only works on proprietary paper. Wonder how much that's gonna cost.

    Even if it is reusable, how often do you plan to print something on a piece of paper that's been handed around, smudged, creased, and sneezed on, over and over again? These days, the only things I see printed are documents that are meant to be a bit more permanent than e-mail, and I'm willing to bet that Xerox expects to see a lot of this paper being printed once, then put into a three ring binder somewhere or printed once, then used as a coaster and discarded.

    In short, this strikes me as a solution looking for a problem looking for a profit margin.

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    1. Re:So now they can gouge us on custom paper? by peektwice · · Score: 1

      Agreed. The profit margin is in the paper. How many times has a company promised to save you money on printing costs, and yet somehow that involves buying their printers? Xerox, Lexmark, HP, et al., have a vested interest in keeping the printers running until MTBF, the ink drying up, and the trays running out of paper. Anyone who falls for this shallow scheme deserves what they get.

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  38. KIDS got a good excuse here... by Maxhrk · · Score: 1, Funny

    In old days kids say 'Dogs ate my homework' excuse. However, in near-future kids would say 'why my papers are blank! Oh! I forgot I was using xerox inkless printer to print out my homework!" This one sound like right thing to use on Xerox ads, I am sure all kids want this xerox inkless printer by now.

  39. It'll just be simple, 2 sheet of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what appears to be paper, stuck together with stubstance x. when high presure is applied the sheets stick at that point, making a color, assume black, but could be any color. erasure occurs when the 2 sheets are pulled apart by vaccumm. but not such that the paper is torn. however, if this is not the case, well, someone will just have told my idea.

    1. Re:It'll just be simple, 2 sheet of... by DragonTHC · · Score: 2, Interesting

      anyone ever use a thermal printer?

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    2. Re:It'll just be simple, 2 sheet of... by ksd1337 · · Score: 1

      Arrrggghhh... I was just going to post that!

  40. Wireless Wire by Tilzs · · Score: 1

    Too late, Bluetooth

  41. CD-RW by kalislashdot · · Score: 1

    Ya and CD-RWs really caught on too.

  42. Ancient Technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thermal printers are nothing new. They have been around for ages.

  43. Neat. by kraemate · · Score: 0

    All i can say is "wow". But i wonder what will happen to HP, in case this thing catches on. I mean, they are after all a printer-cartridge company, right?

  44. Obligitory Dilbert reference by JonTurner · · Score: 0

    >>Good news, bad news
    >>
    >>Doesn't need ink but it does cost $1 a sheet for the paper.

    Let me guess, you simply turn it upside-down and shake to, um, *refresh* the e-paper?

  45. How soon before contracts get re-written by seibed · · Score: 1

    don't like the original terms? erase it and start over, good thing the original signatures are still there!

    1. Re:How soon before contracts get re-written by Buelldozer · · Score: 1

      This is my thought, and greatest fear, as well. You 'sign' a contract on this fancy paper, which most people probably will not recognize as being r/w, and then an unscrupulous operator changes the terms of the contract sometime later.

      No thank you.

  46. GREAT!!!! by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

    now paper is going to become $0.25 per sheet!

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  47. Way to go Xerox! by drix · · Score: 0, Troll

    I am really excited about this new technology, both in terms of cost and also environmental impact. Since I know these things typically take years to make it to the market, I was hoping Xerox might speed the process up. First, fire whose ever idea it was in the first place. This will eliminate the need for them to work up the verve to form a startup and produce something that is actually worth owning--potentially shaving years off the time to market. At the same time, promote any and all naysayers at the middle management level, especially the ones who claim this product has no "potential." Finally, go ahead and start drawing up filing papers against those who ultimately succeed in capitalizing on this fantastic, paradigm shifting idea.

    It's a tough road ahead, Xerox, but the strategy is sound and has the weight of history on its side. Good luck.

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  48. Does it allow use of a pen? by Mal-2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It seems to me a two-wavelength laser pointer could serve as both "pen" and "eraser", so that you could mark up documents without damaging the paper. Many times I have to print a draft of a letter or presentation and run it by the executive, who will probably mark it up with handwritten corrections and send it back to me. They have every right to edit something they have to sign or say until they're happy with it, but it does waste a lot of paper. If I could substitute erasable paper for each proofing stage, it would probably cut out 2/3 or 3/4 of my paper use, but in order to do so, it needs to be human-writable and not just printable.

    Hopefully this erasable paper can be photocopied without making it fade. That would solve a lot of the problems caused by fading over time. If you find you want to keep something you wrote on erasable paper, just pop it in the copy machine and it's now on permanent paper.

    If Xerox does get it to work in color, it could be a great way to proof document formatting as well. There are things I just can't spot without actually printing a document, such as whether a shading makes text within it illegible. If the document is important enough for me to polish up and proof thoroughly, it's probably going to be in color. It doesn't have to be perfect color, just "business color".

    Mal-2

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  49. What's wrong with using normal paper? by TheLink · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This reusable paper has some uses but I think it's overrated. If I'm going to print something out it's usually so I can give someone a copy. I hardly ever print stuff out otherwise. You think I'm going to give 100 pages of expensive reusable paper to someone, just because they don't want to read the doc on screen, or I can't hand them the "electronic" version?

    What people should work on is a cheap (energy+resources), nontoxic and safe way of producing paper from renewable trees/plants.

    Then when you see people who are accumulating stacks of paper, you can thank them for helping to keep CO2 out of the air.

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    1. Re:What's wrong with using normal paper? by ezdude · · Score: 1

      I disagree. You know how many papers I have sitting around my office (or in the trashcan) that I read once and don't plan to read again? Pretty much all of them. You know how it goes, you download a PDF of something that you want to read, and you pretty much always print it out, because it's too hard to read on screen (just like the article said). Then, when you're done, you either file the paper or toss it - I mean - recycle it. This erasable/rewritable paper could easily be used for those download once/read once on paper type of files. If I need to read the PDF again, I'll just open it up and print it on this paper, and not have to worry about physically filing it or throwing it out. It's probably much better for the environment, too! I'm on board.

    2. Re:What's wrong with using normal paper? by TheLink · · Score: 1

      You seemed to have completely missed the other part of my post which addresses what people like you do.

      I guess it's true it's really hard for you to read on screen! :).

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    3. Re:What's wrong with using normal paper? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What people should work on is a cheap (energy+resources), nontoxic and safe way of producing paper from renewable trees/plants.
      Umm... reflorestation?
    4. Re:What's wrong with using normal paper? by ezdude · · Score: 1

      I read your [b]whole[/b] post and I don't see where you "address what people like me do." Not that I'm even sure what (who?) "people like me" are. Anyway, instead of giving 100 pages of this erasable paper, why not just give them the PDF, and let them print it out on this paper? That was [b]my[/b] point.

    5. Re:What's wrong with using normal paper? by TheLink · · Score: 1

      water+CO2+sunlight+misc = tree/plant grows.
      Harvest, convert to paper. Use paper. Keep/landfill paper (aka carbon sequestration).
      Replant. Repeat.

      Whoever pays for all that paper would be sponsoring the extraction of CO2 from air.

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    6. Re:What's wrong with using normal paper? by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Yes, the reforestation bit is being done already. I'm talking about putting more work into making the creation of paper cheaper, more efficient and safe.

      In some countries growing Kenaf might be an alternative to trees for paper.

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    7. Re:What's wrong with using normal paper? by onx · · Score: 1

      Actually, the process of turning a tree into paper, and then getting that paper to you, releases more CO2 than the tree absorbed over its life. Time Inc. discovered this when they decided they wanted to be "CO2 neutral".

      So no, paper is not good for the environment. Is it a better alternative than other things? Quite possibly.

    8. Re:What's wrong with using normal paper? by TheLink · · Score: 1

      I downloaded the report[1] I think you are talking about, from:
      http://www.heinzctr.org/NEW_WEB/PDF/08014_Time_1to 51.pdf
      http://www.heinzctr.org/NEW_WEB/PDF/08014_Time_52t o102.pdf

      But I don't see the part that proves what you claim. It jumps straight to net CO2 without showing how that is calculated. So I attempted to do my own calculations based on the report's data.

      From page 66 (second PDF), I get 22938 CO2-eq emitted from paper making (mill emissions- the dominating fraction as per page 80) that's passed to "magazine chain". But I am not sure how many tons of magazine paper were produced that generated those tons of CO2. I assume from page 67 that it's 37245 tons, but page 47 claims 37477 (which doesn't improve the report's credibility). To be conservative I shall take the lower figure (a higher figure will better support my claims).

      I assume 44% per mass of carbon in paper (from various sources including cellulose being 44% carbon by mass). Using the figures from page 66 - it's 3.66 tons of "CO2-eq" to 1 ton of carbon. 37245 * 0.44 * 3.66= 59979 CO2-eq.

      So you have 22938 tons of CO2 emitted as mill emissions for 59979 CO2-eq (of paper produced). Given the ratios in page 80 (comparing ME etc - ME seems to be about 60% of total emissions - 61% to 77% according to nytimes article[1]), if more than 90% of that paper is landfilled or just left lying around (preferably 100% as per my post and recommendation, but see also page 82 and 83[2]), tell me how there is net CO2 emission?

      Keep in mind that my original suggestion[3] was that reusable paper is overrated and normal paper producing should be made more efficient and safer, and then keeping stacks of paper around would be fine for the environment.

      Show me how the report you refer to actually proves that my suggestion is not practical or possible. In fact, the numbers in the report seem to show it's already possible.

      Maybe I'm just too stupid to understand the report? In my opinion the report doesn't seem very good, perhaps I'm biased but I've seen much better reports and papers that clearly show how their respective conclusions are reached.

      [1] Linked from: http://www.heinzctr.org/Press_Releases/carbon_stud y.shtml
        as I gather from: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/25/business/media/2 5adco.html?ex=1319428800&en=09ac79cfbc5f3df4&ei=50 88
      [2] From page 82 and 83 less than 8% of the magazines produced would be incinerated. If we assume 6% of the landfilled paper turns to CO2, then that brings the figure up to about 12% becoming CO2.
      [3] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=223764&cid=181 18848

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  50. half tone or continuous tone? by P3NIS_CLEAVER · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The really significant thing would be if laser printers could create continuous tone images with this paper. This would be a huge breakthrough.

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  51. paper copyprotection by sven_eee · · Score: 1, Interesting

    looks like DRM and copy protection can make there way to paper now

  52. Russia by eples · · Score: 0

    In Soviet Russia... paper erases you!

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  53. Yes it will. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Disclaimer: I've worked for Xerox as a tech.

    Your statement would be correct if it wasn't for the fact that all money Xerox make is not from ink. That is true only the soho (small office/home office) market that Xerox now have retired from.

    The word "consumables" cover everything from the ink/toner, cleaning kit, fuser and other mechanical parts. There are, in some printers, even daughter boards that are considered a consumable.

    Most of the time the printer is not sold to the customer - it is leased for top dollars (or euros, skr, nkr whatever) including a service contract. That is where the money is.

  54. Oh sure, it LOOKS good .. by Mirzabah · · Score: 1

    .. on paper.

  55. reusable paper printer not inkless printer by mrnick · · Score: 1

    I think this is mislabeled as inkless printer and should be labeled something like "reusable paper printer".

    This concept is fairly similar to the thermal printers which also require special paper. The images on them do wear off after a period of time as well. Have you ever pulled out your best buy four-year extended warranty, with attached receipt, only to notice the receipt is completely blank? I think most warranties will cover the item without the receipt if it has, and they have recorded, a serial number. Though I doubt anyone ever thought of reusing thermal paper.

    I don't know about you but I have had limited success reusing paper in a printer. Many times I will have a huge printed document I no longer need and on occasion I have attempted to reuse the paper, or at least the side that I have not printed on, with limited success. I no longer do this because of the increase of paper jams and the like. I cannot imagine trying to run the same piece of paper through a printer 50 times!

    This looks like something that will never go into commercial production as with most things people are most concerned about costs and though ink is not cheap, at least not how it is packaged for printers, it looks as if the price is being shifted from the ink to the paper.

    It has been publicly know for quite some time that companies that produce printers do not make their profit from the printers themselves but from the ink that the printer uses. If you purchase an ink jet printer from your local Wal-Mart more than likely you are paying less for the printer than it cost to produce but the company figures that over time they will make up the cost by selling you ink. If this type of printer were to become commercially available then I imagine the same pricing model would continue and the paper would be the expensive part.

    So, you have a printer with expensive paper, that can be reused, but only if you are VERY careful with it, don't fold it, cut it, put it in your pocket, etc. No thanks, I'll stick with my overpriced ink and do what I want with the cheap paper and when I'm done with it I'll put it in file 13. I'll be long dead before trees go extinct and I won't get whatever disease you get after long term exposure to the chemicals this paper is coated with that will only be discovered 10 years after people have been handling this stuff on a daily basis.

    Nick Powers

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  56. public health issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the upside, any printed text would be sterilized. No more worrying about those nasty paper-transmitted HepC epidemics. Also on the upside, when I drop pizza sauce on all my papers at lunch, I can reprint/reheat them for an afternoon snack.

  57. Hammurabi had reuseable paper by giafly · · Score: 0

    The Mesopotamians also developed a printing technology which does not require ink of any kind. The ancient technology included reusable "paper" which could be printed and erased dozens of times and had the potential to revolutionize printing. Details on this ancient technology, which was first reported around 1000 BC, are revealed in Wikipedia. These wax tablets were subsequently popularised by the Greeks and Romans.

    In the subject, I'm speculating that Hammurabi, conqueror of Mesopotamia around 1792 BC and legendary for bureaucracy, probably have used Wax tablets alongside his more durable clay tablets. After almost 4000 years we're finally getting back to the paperless office.

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  58. Printerless ink by harry666t · · Score: 1

    Inkless printer? Hahaha, I've discovered printerless ink! And who's pr0 here? =]

  59. info and bio security by mattr · · Score: 1

    I dunno. I work in an office where they have big containers for dumping in used paper, to be discarded securely. But the info is still probably on the paper when it gets picked up, and anyway are sure it is completely gone? And what about cold temperatures, maybe it lasts longer etc. It seems like a pain in the butt, why not just recycle paper is what people will think. We may have a bunch of printers all around but there will inevitably be people who hav accidents with paper that fades inappropriately, in fact I've seen this with faxes (fading in 6 months and it has been a big problem in once office I was at).

    Besides which, I am quite allergic to the mold (could be ink but I think not) of aging paper. For example a newspaper bought in the evening on a rainy day is itchy, I get itchy when I go into stacks in some libraries, and some people in the office seem to have reservoirs of itchiness around their desks. I usually copy things to make new copies but this way I won't be able to do so. I always ask for digital copies instead but people for some reason always print things out.

    I for one won't be buying this and I can't even see recommending it, having had experience with disappearing business documents. Just for safety you won't want to have a magically disappearing variety. Now maybe if it was a different color, worked thousands of times, and had some other useful functionality I might change my mind. For example, how about using it to simultaenously print a dot pattern like Anoto's. The pattern fading away would just delink it from online systems, but you could still print the page with ink. You could even designate sensitive information only to be printed without ink. But you're going to have to prove then that it really is gone even invisible to a hires scanner.

  60. Senator Stevens's Office? by norminator · · Score: 1

    One major reason is that out mail server (over which I have no control), can take a long time to deliver mail, even internally.

    Do you work with Senator Stevens? You'd better have the IT guys clear out the series of tubes so you can get your internets faster! It should be an easy enough job to clean out the internal tubes, but I don't know about the external ones... better take this one up with Congress.

    (I'm kidding, and I mean no disrespect to the parent poster.)
  61. I cant wait for counterfeited notes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they'll appear one day, and disappear the next! Thus resolving the problem of counterfeit money. :)

  62. I can just hear it now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Honey? Where are our wedding pictures? All I found are these photos of football games.

    Wait a minute, WTF?!?!

    (Hope the couch is comfy!)

  63. Is this a recipe for disaster? by Ustum · · Score: 1

    OK. If I were the type to take bets, I'd posit that it won't take long for someone to find a non-destructive way of bringing back old prints.

    Your average office worker (or even executive) doesn't intuitively understand that hard drives retain imprints of old data even after "erasure." What's going to happen when re-writable paper shows up and wants used? There are a lot of internal documents that have a limited use life and would, from a purely mechanical sense, qualify as candidates for reusable paper. Plus, even if reusable paper is only two or three times more expensive than standard bond, office policy will probably encourage paper re-use as a budget maintenance measure. However, this makes it likely that some poor clerk will at some point take the paper used for internal docs and "rewrite" them as something uncontrolled. Or, a corporate spy could grab a stack of material, feed it to an internal "rewrite" copier, copy it once, then rewrite over it with something like the company's public financial statement, and exit carrying nothing but "legitimate" public documents.

    Just a caution: I really, really advise that this tech not be used for controlled data...

  64. This is just Stupid by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Now look, I know there are some very smart people over at Xerox. But there is a very long list of reasons why this is yet another invention destined to fall by the wayside.

    The most important reason is that the wonderful thing about paper is its malleability. You can fold it, you can tear it into strips, you can crumple it up in a ball. People will do all of these things, with the possible exception of the latter. The paper is specifically designed to be very similar to ordinary paper, so in an office which uses both you will end up getting the two confused. And just using the paper will destroy it. Paper is voracious for skin oils and dirt on your hands, for example; it just lifts it right off of your fingers. And what about grease spots and the like?

    There is also the problem that it actually reduces security as compared to the paperless office. You can still scan the documents before they are erased (or before they self-erase.) Keeping the data on the computer is far more secure. And, it is highly likely that using an electron microscope (or similar) the contents of the pages can be read back - maybe several pages. But this paper probably won't be shredded, because it is perceived to be blank.

    In the end, the inkless office is a pathetic half-step to the paperless office, which SOME people really HAVE managed to attain already.

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  65. anyone remember thremal fax paper? by acomj · · Score: 1

    There was a paper that didn't require ink. The old fax machine used spools of this paper called "fax paper" which was a paper that didn't require ink. The fax machine used heat to create an image. I think some checkout printers use this paper as well.

    It could erase too just leave in the sun.. (I had a receipt go blank on me because it was in the sun too long). Of course not reusable.

    In general, people just want to be able to use plain paper with their printers.

  66. The Emperor's new ink? by adrianbaugh · · Score: 1

    So presumably instead of selling outrageously expensive ink cartridges, this "special paper" will be outrageously expensive instead....

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  67. This will definitely be useful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having previous worked at Xerox on one of their production systems as a programmer, I can say with absolute certainty that this will reduce paper consumption drastically.

    The machines I worked on did upwards of 100ppm letter. One dedicated test lab (QA labs) goes through maybe ten to two twenty thousand letter sheets a day, every day. Developer test labs go through about 10% of that, maybe one or two thousand. There are numerous such labs for each product line.

    Now, as a developer, I printed an average of 15 pages a day for development purposes (not including what I did at the test lab). Some days I wouldn't have any prints, and other days I'd print out ten hundred-page duplex stacks to hand out. These could be code diffs, printer logs, diagrams and charts, etc. This doesn't include personal documents, but those are comparatively few and far in between. I was but one software developer among a hundred. All the paper goes to recycling, but IIRC, the paper we tested on did not necessarily come from recycled paper.

    But imagine if all that could be reused the next day. The logs, the code diffs--imagine if all that paper could be stacked up neatly in a corner at night, and then reloaded into the printers the next day for use again. Imagine if most of the paper in the development test labs could be reused (after all, only QA and testing of specific functions needs fresh paper). 16-24 hours would be more than enough time for such documents.

    The best part is that the laser can now write directly to the piece of paper, simplifing the printing process dramatically. Heck, the whole xerographics subsystem, toner, fuser and all, could be ripped out of the system, leaving only the laser to transfer the image onto the paper. And the speed of prints would be limited by the physical limitations of the rollers and paper path, not by the space on an intermediate transfer medium. Imagine the margins on a printer like that. The most expensive components gone. The most complicated system gone (no more hardware or software engineers to maintain and improve it). Obviously, I don't work there anymore.

    Of course, they'll have to up the number of writes to at least a few hundred before it really becomes useful, but after a something like a piece of paper has been through a few hundred greasy programmer hands, I don't think anybody would want to touch it anymore.

  68. quantum? by namekuseijin · · Score: 1

    does the technology by any chance use any quantum devices? ;)

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  69. Stop using paper altogether. Synthetic paper by rogtioko · · Score: 1
    Good innovation but paper use still kills trees. From a deathan (derivation of word vegan) perspective, buying paper which will eventually be reused is not good unless there is no other option to buying paper.

    For printing stuff to function, I've been trying to buy synthetic paper from a company named Yupo, part of Mitsubishi Labratories, and found recyclable paper materials which can be printed on with inkjets (though most of their paper is designed for high volume offset printing).. This inkjet paper is from Japan and they don't sell it at their us division. I asked yupo's us division if they'd sell me some of another kind of yupo paper (cleanpaper for drawing/writing) from japan and have had no success getting an offer. A us cusomer service employee told me a month ago that he sent my message requesting this other kind of paper to Yupo's us marketing division and contacts in Japan; i've gotten no reply. If enough people offered to buy Japan only type paper, they'd probably sell it here. I'm passively interested.

    Yupo does have many drawbacks. Of note: 1. Mostly for offset printers. 2. can't use standard photocopiers and standalone laser printers because it will melt the polypropelene which the paper's made out of. 3. Work's best at 20 to 25 degree celsius (70-80 degree fahrenheit I estimate) 4. It's plastic and it takes petroleum, which is highly valuable.

    Maybe a process to make such plastic from vegetable oil is available; maybe there are laser printers designed to not overheat paper. The problem is that laser printers use a fusing method which bakes ink set in the desired image: maybe there is a way to cold fuse the ink to the paper. I think that the the laser probably doesn't cause a melting temperature when it scans the paper. But considering that Yupo would definately want to sell such a product, their lack of it signifys that such technology probably isn't available

    While this goes against the idea of direct reuse, it bypasses the need for paper. Humans have enough problems but this probably isn't going to create any problems, if its implemented, as long as there are a lot of ink jet printers to handle quick photocopies and such.