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Apple TV Already Being Hacked
TunesBoy writes "Only a couple of days after being shipped, the Apple TV is already being modified in a variety of ways. A thread at Something Awful discusses installing VLC, and a dedicated site, AppleTVHacks.net, has appeared and is cataloging hacks including a hard-drive upgrade tutorial. Did Apple intend for the Apple TV to be so easy to upgrade and hack?"
That way they'll save a lot on support (you hacked it, then we don't support you). And later it'll be a lot easier to "open it up" to comply with EU ruling ;)
When I saw the AppleTV announced, my reaction was lukewarm, mostly due to limited format support. Apple can get away with it on iPods, because you don't generally put every piece of video you have on your iPod. Conversion isn't as much of a hassle as a result. With the AppleTV, you might as well stream every piece of video to your TV, and format support kills that. I'd rather get Core Duo Mac Mini that has more available options (like 1080p playback), add some adapters, and hook that up instead. Now that the AppleTV can support more formats, I must admit that it's looking like a more attractive option, although I'd still probably cough up the extra for a Mini.
When something is popular or well-known enough, it's bound to be hacked at some point. This is even more the case with proprietary products, where the incentive is a lot greater. Take a look at the PS3 for example: Linux was ported to it almost right after it came out.
"All you need is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." -- Mark Twain
Now I'm definatly buying one...
It's cheap, runs OS X and can decode HD. Excellent deal.
It's not very hard to forsee hacking of a small silent computer in a settopbox housing. There are countless sites that try to DIY such a thing. Now what happens if a popular brand introduces such a thing at an affordable price?
They will not sell that much more hardware directly, but the PR image they create with it is worth a lot, and all they had to do is produce something decent.
Linksys is a very good past example of this: their wrtg routers were nice to modify and already ran linux. I bought one for myself to play with and later advised my brother to get that brand. Marketing is easy if your customers start doing the selling themselves.
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I don't think it really matters whether apple "intended" it to be easy to hack, I think it's more of the fact that every single piece of "cool" hardware with the potential for added functionality has been hacked or broken within an extremely short amount of time. Maybe rather than intending it to be easy to hack, Apple instead decided to not spend as much money on implementing all kinds of crazy protection schemes, thus allowing a higher profit margin. Which, in my mind, makes a hell of a lot of sense! :
.. something... PSP for example; I don't know exactly what the point of locking it down was, but obviously it didn't help much. Kinda like anti-features, or un-products; you have all this potential and you lock it down. Lucky for us, apple isn't quite so far up their own butts as Sony and whatnot are, so we have a sweet new product that we can do sweet stuff on without having to go through hoops to crack it! :)
It does seem like the norm these days is for companies to build equipment with huge amounts of power, but then they lock it down in an effort to.. protect.
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I don't think it was intent to "be easy to upgrade & hack" as it was realizing how much time & resources get wasted by other companies trying to achieve somthing that's not possible.
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MS had to be careful with their XBox, because they were adopting the Sony approach: sell the hardware at a loss, and make money on the software (games) afterwards.
Historically, Apple don't sell at a loss. I'm pretty sure that (even at the low price of $300 for a 1GHz/256/40G PC in that form factor) Apple will be making money off this - they don't care if you hack it.
In fact, the more hackable it is, the better - jo(e) public buys it so (s)he can watch their iTMS movies on the big screen, the geeks buy it to hack it. Box numbers go up either way, which helps Apple PR, and helps them persuade people they have *the* viable platform for the home.
I wonder how long it'll be before the USB-2 port is made available (it is running OSX, after all), at which point you get an external 1T drive on it as well, in one of the mac-mini style enclosures...
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I think that's the important question. If all rev2 models will only run Apple signed binaries, then we'll know Apple's intentions.
It's tempting to buy one now in case they decide to toughen it all up in the future. And that's my tip for any device you may want to hack sometime in the future.
Here, Apple is only supporting formats THEY own, so they can spend the money on the hardware. Hacking it only drives up their market share, and to the complaint that people are watching all these unlicensed formats on it Apple can say "Hey, we didn't do it." But you still bought a box from them.
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I'm not an idiot, Apple.
For a meager $399, I could get an Xbox360 with all these features AND dvd playback. It even does Hi-def downloads, Live Arcade games, and awesome AAA titles (GTA IV, Devil May Cry 4, (possibly) MGS and FF). That's got a remote, Windows Media connectivity, etc- and is expandable to play HD-DVD, potentially Blu-Ray in the future if it "wins".
It'll even play music off your iPod. Unless you buy ALL your tv off of iTunes, why would you get this? I'd just get a 360 for this money. Both are simple to use, also.
You can probably rip those videos into WMV if you really set upon it.
Clearly, either of these devices can be modded- but I'm talking from a consumer standpoint.
over at awkwardtv.org we're basically doing the same thing. wiki at http://wiki.awkwardtv.org/
Here, Apple is only supporting formats THEY own, so they can spend the money on the hardware. Hacking it only drives up their market share, and to the complaint that people are watching all these unlicensed formats on it Apple can say "Hey, we didn't do it." But you still bought a box from them.
According to the specs, the Apple TV supports AAC, MP3, AIFF, Apple Lossless, WAV, MPEG-4, H.264, JPEG, BMP, GIF, TIFF, PNG.
The only format Apple owns is Apple Lossless audio. The others are industry standards. AAC, Advanced Audio Coding, is part of the MPEG-4 specfication although I belive it doesn't need to be licensed (unlike MP3 which requires a per-machine license). MPEG-4 (aka MPEG-4 part 2) and H.264 (aka AVC: Advanced Video Coding aka MPEG-4 part 10) also require licenses.
I'm not sure if JPEG requires a license, probably depends on the lawsuit of the day.
I want to see somebody make a USB2 TV tuner dongle for the Apple TV, or, failing that, an entire mini-DVR that provides its video to the Apple TV over a USB2 mass storage interface.
Apple TV is neat and all, but I still want to record most of my shows myself.
To illustrate my point: when the studios started selling TV series episodes on DVD, I didn't throw out my VCR and Tivo! I do continue to buy new movies and TV series on DVD, but I also still do a lot of recording of my own. One of my TVs has a built-in VCR that still gets a lot of use, as does my Tivo, especially for timeshifting 1 - 48 hours until I have time to watch my favorite shows... many of which I enjoy, but wouldn't want to buy on a commerical full season DVD.
Does that make any sense? Or am I the only one who still records?
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Which ASIC maker do they use for the video codecs?
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I mean, sure, most TV's don't have VGA inputs, so the Apple TV wins out on connection method.
But lots and lots of video cards do DVI and component, and every HD set on the planet at least does component.
Go shopping for a $100 Nvidia or ATI card, I bet you'll find more with composite HDTV output than a VGA port on the back. (Not counting the ones that come bundled with a DVI-VGA converter, of course.)
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Yeah? Well, in my experience, the smartest people I know happen to be Mac users, and they all have a diversity of interests and skills. At least they were smart enough to buy Macs instead of suffering under foolishly consistent systems designed by little minds like you.
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When the iTV first got announced I thought exactly the same as you: this product is only an expensive iTunes extender, so why don't I just use a cheap cable and stream whatever content I want to my TV?
Now that this little box is starting to open up, I may change my mind, but I'd probably just spend a little more money and get a lot more functionality from a Xbox360 or Mac Mini.
Having said that, I've had a lot of fun in the past playing with embedded linux devices; an embedded OSX device could be a lot of fun...
Would it be overly naive to think that, perhaps Apple learned something from Tivo? Perhaps the non techies will enjoy it for its form and function and a broader range of techies will will enjoy it for its possibilities. I say broader for we all know that it will be hacked it's just a question of how hard and how much effort is required.
"I'm pretty sure the guys who write their model/artist paychecks [...] are using Windows"
What part of "above-average household income and education" don't you understand?
Interesting studies, in any case.
And now, a PSA from David Lynch.
This "install VLC" article discusses the installation of an SSH server and Perian, NOTHING about VLC.
Indeed, I started following the SA thread yesterday, and there was nothing about installing VLC on the device there.
The people behind the SA thread have started a Wiki, which also deserves to be in the summary.
I'll be following this closely - I was thinking of picking up a Mini (if they ever slap a Core 2 Duo in the fucking thing), but the Apple TV would be sufficient if it'll play DivX/XviD.
Ok, more to the point: I look at this and see more than a DVR. I see a $299 (very) small form factor computer with a Pentium M (per Anandtech), 100base-T ethernet and wi-fi. $299 is dirt cheap and there's a lot you can do with a lowly Pentium M... It doesn't have to run Linux as long as it's installed OS can be modified.
Linksys is an example of a company which apparently DOESN'T want its hardware to be purchased by DIY-ers.
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Witness the Series 5 and Series 6 WRT54G routers; they stripped down the NVRAM to emasculate their equipment to the point that it's no longer desirable for general applications.
A better analogy, IMHO, is in the automotive industry: so many people were "ricing" out their Honda Civics that Toyota said, "How can we compete with that?" and introduced the Scion -- with a *TON* of aftermarket kits.
If Apple is going to continue to be a hardware company, then by all means it makes sense for them to say, "Here's an affordable, attractive set-top appliance... Do with it what you please."
I'd love to see them merge the &Apple;TV [sic] and the Mac Mini into one product -- much like they combined the iPod Mini+Nano -- a general purpose WLAN device, with aftermarket adapters for connecting to Composite, Component, S-Video, VGA, DVI, HDMI, or whatever new L-M-N-O-P interface comes out next year. A Core Duo chip is more than capable enough for decoding A/V streams; a 120GB 2-1/2" HDD is big enough to hold a hundred compressed movies, and 802.11n is fast enough to stream HDTV from one room to another.
I'd be shocked if they couldn't put together something like that for the same cost as an XBOX 360...
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So for only $100 more than the Apple TV, you get a device that is:
1) Much larger
2) Much noisier
3) Lacks HDMI output
4) has media support as an addition, not as the primary foucs of the device.
The two are almost totally seperate devices. I'll grant that if you are getting a 360 already then you have many features which are duplicated by the Apple TV. But the AppleTV is aiming at a much broader market than a game console (and this includes the PS3) can really reach I think.
Furthermore by focus, I really mean focus - as in the AppleTV is dedicated to ease in delivering internet video to your TV. Not even just any video like DVD or newer HD disc formats, but just IP video. That kind of focus usually results in a simpler system that is more appealing to people in that is does what it is meant to do very well.
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(s)h(it).
I don't get why anyone is buy these things the Galaxy IPTV looks about the same, is the same size, but has support for XVID and DIVX. They cost about half as much as the AppleTV does on ebay.
It's more expensive. Of course its user base comes from higher-income households, on average. It is THE suburban daughter PC.
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Macs do not make you creative.... it's just a goddamn white-plasticky computer. Its operating system is aesthetically-pleasing. Christ, you guys are worse than scientologists.
Apple is more than just a computer- it's a personality disorder.
I've got a mac laptop and a Vista PC. Somehow I am able to be productive on both without grossly changing my personality.
THINK FOR YOURSELVES, PEOPLE. It's a MARKETING CAMPAIGN.
or are people just taking it at face value? Gizmodo has already speculated that the changes of it being real are pretty slim. surely there is someone on Slashdot with an Apple TV box willing to try it out and report?
I had the same problem with Video on iTunes. After a little searching about I found someone that recommended playing them in QuickTime. It was a hundred times better. The same video on the same system played flawlessly. You might give it a shot.
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Not if you are Mexican (and dont pronounce the "j")
Don't forget half the space.
Ask and ye shall receive.
:) How much does everybody wanna bet that Apple scraped and scraped away at OS X to make sure it could run in as little RAM as possible? Why? Because they wanted to make sure that if anyone found a way to run "real" OS X on it, it would be close to useless because of the small amount of RAM. Sigh.
Lemme get this straight.
They can create a $299 box with TV-out that has a discrete graphics controller built in, but they can't put one into one SINGLE model of Mac Mini? Wow.
This is both sixteen kinds of lame and sixteen kinds of awesome.
Lame because it shows Apple's massive, needless markup.
Awesome because, hey - $299 Mac with TV-out AND discrete graphics!
Of course, there is the teensy matter of the 256MB of non-upgradeable RAM, but what do you expect for $299?
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By 8:00pmPDT the AwkwardTV guys had VLC, Address Book, Firefox, iTunes, and Dropbear running. No USB support, yet.
Go and do yourself a favour and buy a Squeeze Box.
Its Wifi, DivX, mp3, ogg support and all the goodies you need, with a remote - it totally rocks.
http://www.slimdevices.com/
I don't know about you, but the basement I live in is more than 20 feet long.
Now imagine apple porting itunes using XNA to the xbox 360.
Very possible, easily done.
MS would cry foul, but if that fails, apple could just make an xbox 360 game (cheap basic one, any crap) and include
itunes360 on the disc for free.
As a 3rd party developer they could do this, im not sure what MS can do, or if EU can tell MS, to allow it or die.
Failing that, port itunes/appletv app to Ps3 linux, theres your free appletv box.
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A basic 2.6ghz box with HD everything, $369, appletv $480+ here.
SUre its a lot damn bigger, but can do a hell lot more.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
How much does everybody wanna bet that Apple scraped and scraped away at OS X to make sure it could run in as little RAM as possible?
... because RAM costs money. Given that they had probably already decided on the price point (based on what people will pay for such a thing), the more they can cut down on the hardware, the bigger the profit margin.
I'm absolutely sure they did. They would have been stupid not to.
Why? Because they wanted to make sure that if anyone found a way to run "real" OS X on it, it would be close to useless because of the small amount of RAM. Sigh.
An interesting conspiracy theory, but here's one that's slightly easier to believe: they minimized the amount of RAM
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Apple definitely did not do anything to keep anyone from changing anything about the AppleTV. I'm not even entirely positive I would call that hacking - they added some components to the version of OS X running on the AppleTV. This is nothing at all like the PSP.
My sister always ends up having to make the girl scout camp DVDs they hand out to parents. Why? She has an iBook, and all the others have Windows PCs. She's the only one who can figure out how to do it. Hell, my mom, who is a school teacher and was never able to figure out how to save a word document to a floppy (she's not stupid, she's just scared that she'll break something if she does something wrong) actually has figured out how to use iMovie and iDVD all on her own.
There's definitely a difference between a Windows PC and a Mac.
...that sells nice big coffee tables that will nicely show off your ever-expanding range of Apple products to all of your friends.
Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
If all rev2 models will only run Apple signed binaries, then we'll know Apple's intentions.
What's in it for them? They're not selling games that they get a kickback from, they're not selling it under cost and making it up on content, or on services... the AppleTV hardware isn't worth $300 by any stretch of the imagination. There's no loss to them if you buy it and "hack" it.
Not that I'd classify installing a binary on a hard drive a "hack".
You probably wouldn't want people hacking into your real-time swarming video distribution system getting movies and TV shows for free.
If they were going to do that, wouldn't it be easier to do that with the computer that's actually running the software (iTunes) that's doing the distribution? AppleTV isn't even potentially part of any "real-time swarming video distribution system".
Unless cracking the box open requires some particular cleverness.
Installing a program on a hard drive on a computer that's got absolutely no protections against installing programs on it hardly qualifies as a "hack".
Looking at the forums pointed to from this story, it's amazing how naive a lot of these wannabe "hackers" are. You've got folks asking, apparently seriously, whether you can run Power PC binaries on the AppleTV. I mean, really...
There are MUCH more interesting tricks the AppleTV and its baby copy of OS X might make possible.
It's a computer and it has an Ethernet jack (wi-fi too, I believe, although I didn't RTFA.)
It's a stripped down Mac running a stripped down version of OS X 10.4.7 (Tiger). All the software in it is open for you to examine.
Why should Apple pay all the bandwidth charges if they can get us to provide all of it, for free?
Why would Apple do that ONLY for the iTunes customers who happen to have an AppleTV, when they could get so much more from putting it in iTunes?
The point isn't that AppleTV isn't capable of being used as part of a "real time swarming distribution system", it's that iTunes is even more capable... and it's a more profitable place to put that functionality, if they were going to do it at all.
I'm not paying money to have full screen video when I can use any number of other video players for free. True I can't play a MOV file easily without it, but I don't consider that to be a loss. Maybe on OS X it's good, because it forms the backbone of the Mac's entire video system in a similar way to Windows and Media Player, but outside OS X it really is that dumb, crappy video player that hits me with nag screens about "Going Pro" every time I use it.
(Don't get me started on the Macromedia Shockwave Flash player...)
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I don't think we'll see iTunes on the PS3 either, however Apple and Sony acually have a pretty good relationship even thouh they compete on a lot of fronts - Sony's US president was on the stage with Jobs a year or two ago, touting the new HD video camcorder (which works great with Macs).
There are many divisions of Sony besides the computer and music portions, and I could see the gaming unit cut some kind of deal with apple to possibly play protected AAC even if they would not port all of iTunes over. But I don't know if Apple would feel that detracted too much from AppleTV to bother with.
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My experience is that the Mac users aren't necessarly the smartest ones, but they all think and act like they are.
When you buy an AppleTV, you get the box and Apple gets $299 from which they are going to make probably $25 in profit. You then go about your business of using the AppleTV while Apple goes about their business of designing products. They already made their money off you, and you already paid your share. If you want to sit on AppleTV to keep your ass warm that is your prerogative.
... the AppleTV plays standard video so it is equivalent to a DVD player, where the hardware maker has to recoup up front because you are going to play content from many sources, even making your own. The optical disc has been replaced with Wi-Fi and a hard disk cache, and the MPEG is 4 instead of 2 but all those changes are merely due to the century. You pay a typical consumer electronics price point for a box you plug it into a TV, take remote in hand, and begin self-medicating, just as with a DVD player.
... good fucking luck. Your next-generation DVD player is here and it is an AppleTV or something very much like it.
... you get what you pay for in either case.
AppleTV is not equivalent to an XBox or PS3 where you buy the box at a loss and buy matching software titles that only work on that box
The only people who should be buying Blu-Ray and HD DVD players are the curators of museums of failed consumer electronics technologies. The idea that you're going to sell a YouTube user a Blu-Ray disc player for $500 and then all new discs at $25 a pop per title, each one bigger than an iPod, more delicate than a DVD
At $299 the AppleTV fits well into Apple's Mac lineup, where Mac mini starts at $599, so they don't have to discourage you from comparing AppleTV to Mac mini. The sub-GHz Pentium M in AppleTV is no match for the Core Duo in Mac mini, and all the other specs are similarly halved to match the price. You don't get away with anything by purchasing an AppleTV instead of a Mac mini
Do you have a 360? Mine does this quite fine, thank you very much (though not with my Mac, granted, but I haven't really looked into that at all, so there may even be a way to do that). I don't really know where you get your information from, but this is my point - my 360 basically does what the ATV does, so why should I get one?
Yeah, I've used a 360. I've also seen movies of people using the AppleTV. My point remains.
Can you really change to a different store with your Apple TV? In iTunes I can only buy from the iTunes store. Of course I can buy stuff somewhere else and import it into iTunes (of DRM allows), but inside iTunes I can't.
I doubt that AppleTV allows shopping somewhere else. Of course I can transcode my DVDs to H264 and watch them with Apple TV, but this is a violation of the DMCA.
Did Apple really open their DRM for AppleTV?
Bye egghat
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It makes perfect sense. I have one of these DVD recorders, and I use it to do essentially the same thing. One DVD-RAM holds up to 8 hours of TV, so it works great for catching up on TV that runs late at night or when I'm too busy to watch it.
There's nothing magical about DVD-RAM. DVD-RAM discs have the same capacity as any single layer DVD disc. What this means is that your DVD recorder has the ability to record up to 8 hours of video on a single layer DVD-RAM disc. The bit rate required to do so would be well below VCD bitrates, which are generally considered low quality. I'm glad this is working OK for you to record 8 hours per disc, but I don't think I'd be real happy with the results. By the way, you forgot to mention that DVD-RAM discs are expensive and difficult to find in the USA, so I'd say it's arguable as to whether or not this would be a good solution for a lot of people.
Some posters have said that they want an a La Carte service compare to Cable. I hate the cable monopoly as much, but the business model is going to have to be something new. Buying episodes for 2-3 dollars is going to get expensive plus all other TV events ie sports, American Idol and my wife's favorite the food network. I guess it boils down to how many hrs of TV you watch a day. No matter what it is going to take a massive paradigm shift to get people away from their tvs. I do alot of timeshifting with Bittorrent but I like to have the TV on in the background when I am working on my computer or playing WoW.
To use Divx they would have to license it, but why can't they use Xvid?
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as usual, APK. Being able to combine mechanical skills, electrical engineering and Windows system administration and networking, it turns out, is not terribly common.
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and it becomes more and more apparent with every AC sockpuppet post you make. I love how you suddenly start trying REALLY HARD to change your "voice" for all your sockpuppets right after I note how easy it is to figure out it's really you.
Before, it was trivially easy. Now it's slightly more difficult, but you still use the word "kid" and the phrase "just a student" in the same way. "Top flite" is also a phrase singular to you. I remember, because I was there when you spammed your shit all over Ars years ago.
It's really quite pathetic how you need to fork all these APK child processes in order to make it look like everyone is "behind you." Here's a hint, you silly twit: NO ONE IS PAYING ATTENTION TO THESE EXCHANGES OTHER THAN YOU AND I. It's just delicious, it really is: you start making an effort to disguise yourself right after I note the ease of identifying you and you claim I can't possibly know who you are because I'm not a forensic linguistic analyst.
As you would say, "MAN, THIS IS TOO GOOD, NO SHIT! LOL!"
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I'd forgotten about the price differential between Core (even Core Solo) and something like Dothan. IIRC it's the same chip used in several UMPC-format devices.
Yeah, my MBP has an x1600 w/128MB of RAM and it seems to do quite well. I guess an x1300 would be bare minimum if you really wanted useful 3D.
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Just tuck your tail between your legs and admit you've been beaten. You lost when you replied to my first post that hooked you perfectly, and have continued to lose as I've caused you to continue to waste your time.
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Congratulations, APK, you have officially jumped off the deep end into complete loony-tunes land.
Think about this for a second: You have allowed someone you don't know who matters exactly ZERO to your life to get you so riled up that you're GOING ON GOOGLE IMAGE LOOKING FOR PICTURES OF HIM TO POST ON SLASHDOT.
Damn, you fail at life. Did you suddenly turn white after you posted this and think "oh, Jesus. What the hell did I just do? How did I let him get to me like that??"
I never had to Google you to call you a pathetic loser who is obsessed with his own internet celebrity, whining to a website which is completely indifferent to you about how you're being oppressed. Though I confess I'm mystified that you don't appear to have called for help from all of your sycophants at TPU. "IT'S A KEEPER LOL!"
Come to think of it, this is a lot like when you scoured the web looking for pictures of Jeremy Reimer when he too called you a narcissistic fool. Now Jeremy is a paid reporter for Ars Technica and you're still just a jackass who re-implements grep to search through the registry.
I win again. Please, stalk me some more! Continue to prove me right, you bizarre, self-important waste of space.
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Maybe I'm Jeremy, come back to show everyone what an obsessive little idiot you are.
Or maybe I'm Jay Little.
Maybe I really am a girl, laughing at how you couldn't possibly get any from me.
Well, if you're not APK, my friend, you really need to find yourself another hero, because you sound EXACTLY like him.
Wish I could tell you what I accomplished tonight, but unfortunately that's got to stay under wraps until after we publish.
(Of course, I DON'T wish I could tell you, because that would totally ruin my fun. Can't have that.)
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Graduate school is where you go to get a Ph.D. or M.S., you silly ass. I love that you actually think you've "caught me" in something. Perhaps you would know this if you weren't a high school dropout.
APK loses again. This is getting really embarrassing for you. You should probably quit your copy and paste routine now before you get laughed off the Internet. Because, you know, everyone's watching.
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Yeah, look me up in Staten Island, O Ye Who Can't Even Put a Link Together Correctly. See how far that gets you. Don't you know my real name is Jeremy Reimer, I mean Jay Little, I mean Robert Brick, I mean Jessica DeGiorno, I mean Melissa Lederach? ;) ::kiss kiss:: If you ever meet me you'll Ctrl-Alt-Delete me, right?
::wink wink nudge nudge::
Jesus, you are the dimmest bulb I have ever had the displeasure to encounter. You silly ass.
Just give up, APK. You've lost horribly and just keep digging the hole deeper and deeper. And stop pretending to be someone else already; that schtick got old back when you were spamming Ars.
Take a hint from the fact that no one other than you and I have commented on these threads: NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU. YOU ARE COMPLETELY INSIGNIFICANT. YOU DON'T MATTER. The sooner you realize that and let go of your towering ego, the better off you'll be.
In fact, let's talk about something else. How 'bout those Yankees, eh? Remember, opening day is this Monday. I'm pretty psyched for this season; no more Bernie, but Pettitte's looking good. REAL good, if you know what I mean.
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Either you are having some personal identity crisis, or are severely mentally disturbed (this I have little doubt of, you are wasting your time on your constant behind the back attacks of apk), or just a plain old liar.
The fourth option, which you are apparently too stupid to think of, is that I am making up all kinds of shit to fuck with you because it entertains me to do so.
Also, I never said I was from Staten Island. You did. I never said I was the girl in that picture either, you did.
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how come moderation happened
What moderation? I was modded Offtopic once and Insightful twice. That's nothing compared to the 50-some-odd posts you and I have gotten to -- and you have YET to log in to post anything.
Hm. You may be referring to the fact that all these posts have been variously rated at 1 or 2. This is because my karma is so good that I can choose to post with a +1 bonus. This is enabled by default, but I usually turn it off when "discussing" with you because I see no reason to bring all of this into the browsers of people who browse at +2 or higher, as it's irrelevant and completely pointless. Sometimes, however, I forget to check "No Karma Bonus." Alas, I am but a man. Or a woman?
He may be insignificant, but since you have not done as much in my opinion, you are less than that since you can't disprove his point about that. It is a strong point.
This is not a strong point. It's a retarded point. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. This is a basic logical tenet. I choose not to expose any of my work in computer architecture and system design to you because it amuses me. I don't have to "prove" anything to you in order to validate my opinion that you are a narcissistic, unintelligent blowhard, APK. Anyone who has read these exchanges would be able to verify that -- but then, no one's reading them anyway, save whoever modded me down that one time and whoever modded me up those two times. These are not statistically significant events. So I guess no one will ever verify anything, and you will be left where you were when you started -- bereft of support, bereft of evidence, and bereft of a clue.
Anyway, I'm going to the movies. Maybe I'll take a date. But will it be a man or a woman?? A gay man or a gay woman?!
MAYBE I'M A LESBIAN TRAPPED IN A M-TO-F TRANSEXUAL MAN'S BODY!!! OHNOES!!!!11
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Excuse me, did you just compare yourself to Tim Berners Lee?
And are you so insecure about your gender (and certain in your narcissism that your experience is the same as everyone else's) that you think it actually embarrasses me to have someone point to a post where I called myself some gender that I wasn't?
Man, Alec. I don't even know what to say. Congratulations, you have officially struck me SPEECHLESS.
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I think it's HILARIOUS to harass YOU online. Just you. Only you.
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Pretty soon I'm just not going to be able to reply to you anymore because I'll be too busy yawning. Can't you stop cutting and pasting and do something original?
Why don't you write another rant about how great you are and how APKTools got 5 stars on ZDNet?
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what
Why is it required for me to own a car in order to know that your car is a piece of garbage?
I never said my software was better than yours. I said yours was objectively bad.
I've also noticed that your "registry engine" is no longer available for download. Wonder why that is? Probably because of all the drama you stir up around your "software."
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