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Apple iPhone Dissected

Conch writes "Only hours after the launch, the Apple iPhone has been dissected. The good folks at AnandTech violated one of the first iPhones to still our curiosity about whats inside the aluminum shell. 'Please note that we're doing this so you are not tempted to on your recent $500/$600 expenditure, while it is quite possible to take apart using easy to find tools we'd recommend against it as it will undoubtedly void your warranty and will most likely mar up the beautiful gadget's exterior.'"

338 comments

  1. Hooray Apple released a phone! by antifoidulus · · Score: 0, Troll

    Can they please go back to making computers now?

    1. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by Eternauta3k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can they please go back to making computers now?
      More profit in making gadgets & iPods?
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    2. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can they please go back to making computers now?

      No

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    3. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by mmeister · · Score: 0

      Newsflash - the iPhone is a computer. In fact, it's running a trimmed down OS X.

    4. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by gb506 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, status symbols for hipsters. And scientists, graphic artists, video producers, health care imaging professionals, audio engineers, photographers, radio broadcasters, software engineers, web developers, former VPs of the United States of America, etc. I suppose those folks could use your platform of choice to do their jobs, but they probably don't want to *need* people like you around to keep them patched and semi-secure. Nor do they want to associate with you, what with the food stained shirts, bad haircuts, and poor overall disposition due to your invariable inability to secure a sex partner.

      STFU and go back to your bag of cheetos.

    5. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by kestasjk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I love reading peoples opinions all the more when they're given in a sentence that starts with "Newsflash".

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    6. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by Vexorian · · Score: 1

      Wow bro, they washed your brain.

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    7. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by gb506 · · Score: 1

      Just call it as I see it. Go back to your cheetos and mountain dew.

    8. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please do not feed the trolls. Thank you.

    9. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Why does Apple hate DRM on audio, but not on Software or Video?"

      Their OS includes no activation or DRM.

      Learn things.

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    10. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wooot it's called osx kitty cat

      MIAU!

    11. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by Xocet_00 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Of course, it does require a special chip on a motherboard made specifically by Apple to boot up or install. How is that not DRM?

    12. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by confused+one · · Score: 1

      He's probably referring to the TPM chip.

    13. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The TPM chip that isn't on the logic boards? Sweet!

      AC for a reason...

    14. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by ragefan · · Score: 1

      Of course, it does require a special chip on a motherboard made specifically by Apple to boot up or install. How is that not DRM? Are you sure about that?

    15. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by makomk · · Score: 1

      If you'd read the site you linked to, you'd know that (a) they are using a hacked version of the operating system, and (b) there's no hacked version of the latest (10.4.10) kernel yet.

    16. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by Xocet_00 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I am sure. That project requires patches to the original install media specifically to circumvent the TPM chip. Get your hands on an OSX install disc for one of the Intel models and try to install it on your beige box. Good luck.

    17. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by dosquatch · · Score: 2, Funny

      Technically they have never made a real computer...more like status symbols for smug, self-absorbed wannabe hipsters.

      If you don't know what Cmd-Shft-TacoBellGrande is for, GTFO!

      If you don't know what Cmd-Shft--- whaddayamean, I forgot to tick "Anonymous"?

      AWWWW, FUCK! Delete! Delete!

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    18. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by Lars+T. · · Score: 2, Informative

      Of course, it does require a special chip on a motherboard made specifically by Apple to boot up or install. How is that not DRM? You mean the chip that isn't found in the latest Macs? The one that keeps those Macs from running Mac OS X, and that is never accessed by Mac OS X?
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    19. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by pairo · · Score: 0, Troll

      Having an Apple product helps you secure you a sex partner, because it's easier to find a sex partner when you're gay, right?

    20. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smug and self absorbed pretty much sums you up. How about you go find some friends at the local PETA protect. I hear this week's protest is against the deaths of desert scorpions due to the bombings in Iraq. Also, go fuck yourself.

    21. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by SageMusings · · Score: 1

      Have another sip of that kool-aid. Mmm, wasn't that delicious?

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    22. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 1

      What do you think the iPhone is, if it isn't a computer?

      Or, for that matter, what is an AppleTV (hint, it's an x86 Mac running OS X and FrontRow), or even an iPod (which is trivially 10x more powerful than Apple's first Mac), if not computers?

      Apple has figured out that computers can be useful to more people than those who sit in front of a keyboard and mouse.

    23. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      Their OS includes no activation or DRM.

      Incorrect. Apple encrypt certain binaries & ensure you're not running on a virtual machine or whitebox hardware before allowing you run them.

      So, we have encrypted binaries that put limitations on your use of Apple software beyond what copyright law allows. The classic definition of DRM.

      Activation has nothing to do with DRM.

      Learn things.

      Indeed. I'll even go as far as to add. Don't let your fanboism get in the way of actually learning things.

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    24. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by Vexorian · · Score: 1

      Oh no I like cheetos and soda! Noez this offends me too much! how dare you call me normal!

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    25. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 0, Troll

      I'll say it again, but this time add something else:

      Don't let your fanboism level of hate for something you wish you could have, but could never afford, get in the way of you actually learning things.

      Learn Things, Fuckteeth!

      Not posted anon because I want you to know you fail on epic levels.

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    26. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      Aaaaah, I take it that your post is an admission that you were wrong and that Apple do actually have DRM on software?

      Don't let your fanboism level of hate for something you wish you could have, but could never afford,

      What do you mean 'could never afford'? I though macs were affordable these days? Isn't that the fanboist line?

      Learn Things, Fuckteeth!

      Well, at least you've learned one thing hey? That Apple have DRM on their software. Knowing this will help prevent you looking like such a dumbass in future!

      No need to thank me - this is a service I offer for free :-)

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    27. Re:Hooray Apple released a phone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should learn things.

  2. More and more detailed pics by stefanb · · Score: 5, Informative

    at ThinkSecret. Plus they didn't destroy the case :-)

    1. Re:More and more detailed pics by Gwwfps · · Score: 3, Informative

      They did destroy some stuff inside though, which didn't happen here, from the looks of it.

    2. Re:More and more detailed pics by DohnJoe · · Score: 1
      maybe they didn't break the inside stuff, but the casing was definitely bent, so it's just like Anandtech...

      They did destroy some stuff inside though, which didn't happen here, from the looks of it.
    3. Re:More and more detailed pics by RDW · · Score: 1

      It really ought to be be illegal in all Geek Jurisdictions to publish this sort of thing without a corresponding set of pictures detailing the reassembly (to as-new condition).

      'And he that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom' - Gandalf.

    4. Re:More and more detailed pics by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 1

      Damn you! I was waiting for the inevitable iPhone Dissection story to post a comment with that quote! :-)

    5. Re:More and more detailed pics by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      It really ought to be be illegal in all Geek Jurisdictions to publish this sort of thing without a corresponding set of pictures detailing the reassembly (to as-new condition).
      If you are geeky enough to disassemble something even though you have images showing you how it looks inside, you better be geeky enough to re-assemble it yourself without a step-by-step guide.
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    6. Re:More and more detailed pics by RDW · · Score: 1

      Not to show the readers how to do it, but to prove the dissection is actually reversible. You could show the internal structure of an iPhone with a hammer and chisel, but the reassembly might be a bit trickier. I believe the the law about this sort of thing is generally quite strictly enforced:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermod ynamics

  3. What's that? by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    That noise - as if millions of fanbois suddenly cried out in shock and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened....

    Joke's aside - the thing I really noted from TFA was:

    The big yellow thing in the middle is the iPhone battery; you're definitely not replacing this thing on your own
    More planned obsolescence. Pity. I'd like to see Apple go a little greener. A non-user replaceable battery limits the life of a device substantially.
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    1. Re:What's that? by Svippy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      More planned obsolescence. Pity. I'd like to see Apple go a little greener. A non-user replaceable battery limits the life of a device substantially.

      You know as well as I, that Apple likes to keep control of their own things. And besides, it is not like there would be any business in a normal mobile store to sell iPhone batteries, whereas selling for instance Nokia batteries could be a good idea, because a lot of phones from Nokia uses the same batteries. I think even across brand names are the same battery used. Not until the iPhone becomes popular enough or Apple makes more phones that uses the same battery (and of course make it easy to exchange battery) will any other store consider selling them, and Apple knows that.

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    2. Re:What's that? by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Are you an idiot?

      Apple stores & AT&T stores can sell iPhone batteries. In any case, everyone else and their dog will be selling iphone skins/cases/carry bags/random accessories - they'd sell batteries too if they could.

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    3. Re:What's that? by Svippy · · Score: 1, Informative

      Uh, duh, of course they can sell the batteries, not what I am saying. Since, well I think at least, the iPhone will even in the USA remain for the few, then if the other stores could sell, they wouldn't, because Apple has made sure the battery is so integrated into the phone. You tell your average Joe to change that battery. I know other stores can adapt those feat, but why bother? When the market is so tiny.

      This is also the same reason the iPhone won't work in Europe, where consumers aren't that willing to commit to a single company. At the same time, European consumers (at least Scandinavians) prefer text messages (SMS) over calling at most, and the iPhone's keymap does not live up to that quality. Though, I may be wrong on the keymap, I haven't tried an iPhone, so I wouldn't be entirely sure, though I am thinking it won't be as easy as a usual keymap.

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    4. Re:What's that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More planned obsolescence. Pity. I'd like to see Apple go a little greener. A non-user replaceable battery limits the life of a device substantially.

      I've had three mobile phones in my life, each of them for about 4 years. I have never replaced a battery in any of them.

      Granted, at the end of the 4 years I might need to charge them every three days instead of every five, but that's not a problem for me. And by the time I get rid of the phone it's usually because it has failed in general - broken clamshell joint or broken charger connection, for example.

      Most likely Apple has made the battery non-replacable because they have better uses for the space required for a replacable battery; and because user replacement of batteries is a fairly unusual thing.

      Just my $0.02

    5. Re:What's that? by Joebert · · Score: 1

      A non-user replaceable battery limits the life of a device substantially.

      I hope that battery can last 2 years, or the price of iPhones drops before the two years of everyones' contracts.
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    6. Re:What's that? by lukas84 · · Score: 1

      These are smartphones - not mobile phones. Both my smartphones (first a Communicator, now a HTC MTeoR) sucked up juice like PDAs.

      With UMTS, the MTeoR lasts about 36 hours - so you'll have to charge it every night. Of course this is with Push-Email enabled, and heavy use (both as a cell phone and as a modem).

    7. Re:What's that? by rbanffy · · Score: 1, Interesting

      When was the last time you replaced a smartphone battery?

      I had a couple, the current being a Nokia E62 I got for free from the phone company after my faithful Sony Ericsson P-800 died. My SE P-800 was my phone, PDA, camera (for emergencies, because it was a lousy one) and MP3 player for over 3 years and its battery was still strong (a single charge gave it 48 hours) the day it died the bad checksum death.

      It's been since the early 90s the last time I saw a phone whose useful life did outlast its battery.

      By the time the first iPhone batteries start dying, there will be a better model and you will want to move on to it.

      For me, the AT&T tie-in and the ban on installing homebrew software (I need SSH) make the iPhone an unpractical choice. Too bad, because it's really beautiful.

    8. Re:What's that? by Animaether · · Score: 1

      I charge my smartphone every night, too - I only *have* to do so once in 3 days. Granted, my regular mobile phone can go 2 weeks without a recharge (given the little use it gets right now) - but even that phone I've had plugged in every night. It makes sure that at the start of every day, I have a full battery. I never have to worry whether the 30% charge left in the thing will last me through the day, or whether I should plug it in before taking a shower for another 7% extra just to be on the safe side.

      Once you get into the habit of just plugging it in every night, then battery life becomes a moot issue unless.. *unless*.. it won't even last you the day anymore. At that point, the battery is pretty much dead (not empty, just dead), and you *should* be able to get a replacement battery and replace it.. instead of having it 'serviced' for a battery replacement. Not that servicing is bad - it's just that typically they say "come back tomorrow" (if you're lucky!) after taking the phone.

    9. Re:What's that? by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

      Unusual? None of the phones I've bought (three LG, three Motorolla, one Samsung, one Sanyo, one Kyocera, one Nokia) haven't had a user replaceable battery. And in all the ones I've used personall the battery life - both talk time and idle charge - was severely diminished before two years was out, enough to warrant battery replacement in a couple cases (bad to have a work phone die in the middle of a call or to find your personal phone dead in an emergency).

    10. Re:What's that? by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

      Uh, the keymap is nothing but software...

    11. Re:What's that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flamebait; Informative ... it's all the same round these parts

    12. Re:What's that? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      yesturday. i use my pda phones so my batteries last no more than a year and then i have to recharge every 4 hours.

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    13. Re:What's that? by Mathness · · Score: 1

      A non-user replaceable battery limits the life of a device substantially. This was most likely done to prevent users from buying and using batteries that could be unsafe, as in not under quality control from Apple. Crappy* batteries could destroy the phone during recharging, or during use, both at a risk to the user. And you can get a replacement done at Apple (for a fee), that means you are covered by their quality control, and if something should happen you know where to go (unlike the crappy* manufactor of the user replaced one).

      *Crappy, as in _cheap_ batteries of unknown/shaddy origin, for those that want to save on the replacement.
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    14. Re:What's that? by spazoid12 · · Score: 1

      I'm a bit surprised that they didn't go with a user-serviceable battery.

      I'm sure it won't present quite the same fiasco as it did with the ipod because they'll be prepared with an actual plan this time, but it's still a bad idea. Back with the ipod it went like this:

      1) Bad ipod battery thinking
      2) www.anythingbutipod.com
      3) Buy a Sansa E2xx

      Now I imagine:

      1) Bad iphone battery thinking
      2) www.anythingbutiphone.com (wonder if this exists yet, lol)
      3) Buy a Sansa ??? or whatever comes along

      The ipod killers are out there... tons of them. They just can't be found at Costco and there are 1/1000th as many accessories for them as for ipod. I'm sure there'll eventually be an iphone killer. In fact, I think a recent PopSci magazine mentioned an 'open source' iphone killer.

    15. Re:What's that? by marcansoft · · Score: 1

      Li-ion batteries degrade much faster when fully charged or near fully charged. By keeping it topped up every day, you're making it last less - one half to potentially one fourth of the time it would last if you kept it at 40%.

    16. Re:What's that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure there'll eventually be an iphone killer.

      Which will have about the same impact on the iPhone as the 69,105 available "iPod killers" have on the iPod.

    17. Re:What's that? by wnknisely · · Score: 1

      Um? That pretty much goes against everything I've seen written about Li-ion batteries. (And my experience with them as well.)
      http://batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm

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    18. Re:What's that? by dosquatch · · Score: 1

      Not until the iPhone becomes popular enough or Apple makes more phones that uses the same battery

      Apple had the opportunity in designing the phone to choose an existing battery. It irritates me that more manufacturers, not just Apple, don't do this rather than designing Yet Another Battery Pack. 2 or 3 battery pack models, commonly available at $10, would be consumer-friendly. 1000 different proprietary packs at $45 (or worse) is not.

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    19. Re:What's that? by mikael · · Score: 1

      Nikon did the same with their cameras. The Coolpix 850 used standard AA batteries (rechargable or otherwise). The later cameras now use a "custom" Nikon battery and battery charger.

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    20. Re:What's that? by DrXym · · Score: 1
      More planned obsolescence. Pity. I'd like to see Apple go a little greener. A non-user replaceable battery limits the life of a device substantially.

      Apple would probably claim that they seal the battery for safety or for ergonomics. The more likely reason is they derive a good amount of repeat business from existing users who "upgrade" simply because their old model doesn't work very well any more and the cost and effort of replacing the battery is ridiculously large.

      I doubt the situation is ever going to change unless someone like the EU clamps down on manufacturers and forces them to make batteries replaceable.

    21. Re:What's that? by addicted4444 · · Score: 1

      I think the poster you replied to was talking about the fact that Apple likes to change their battery technology etc. quite frequently. Mainly, I think the only reason Apple likes going with integrated batteries is so they can pack in a whole lot of technology, and still keep the form factor really small. Batteries need to be replaced once every couple of years. Mobile phones are replaced far sooner than that, even in countries like India, where we pay 500 dollars on average for phones (since Carriers rarely ever subsidize, and users prefer buying their own phones). Also, if Apple institutes a battery exchange program, like the one they have for the ipod, this will be a complete non issue.

      The only issue is that you cannot carry multiple batteries, but I am sure there will be accessories to provide extended battery life soon enough.

    22. Re:What's that? by marcansoft · · Score: 1
      That very link confirms my comment. At 40% charge level, you lose 4% capacity per year. At 100% charge level, you lose 10% capacity per year (at room temperature).

      Deep discharge is bad for li-ions, but keeping it topped off at all times is bad too. You're best off keeping your charge at around 40%. This is inconvenient in most cases, so an easier alternative is to just cycle the battery to about 40-30% charge each time you use it, not recharging until it reaches that level, instead of hovering around 90-100% because you barely need to use it.

      The battery prefers a partial rather than a full discharge. Frequent full discharges should be avoided when possible. Instead, charge the battery more often or use a larger battery. There is no concern of memory when applying unscheduled charges.


      Note: partial discharge. Both next to no discharge and full discharge are worse than a regular partial discharge.
    23. Re:What's that? by LKM · · Score: 1

      I charge my P990i every night. It survives for about two days if I don't use it often and if it doesn't decide to suddenly crash or have some error that uses the whole damn battery within 30 minutes.

    24. Re:What's that? by LKM · · Score: 1

      You're wrong

      Unlike Ni-Cd batteries, lithium-ion batteries should be charged early and often. However, if they are not used for a longer time, they should be brought to a charge level of around 40%. Lithium-ion batteries should never be "deep-cycled" like Ni-Cd batteries.

      Only keep them at 40% if you're not going to use them for a longer time.

    25. Re:What's that? by LKM · · Score: 1

      You're doing something wrong. I've owned a P800, a Treo 650 and I currently own a P990i. I use my cell phone to organize my whole life. I even use it to take snapshots, to listen to music and podcasts, and to play games. A battery charge usually lasts a day, two days if I keep usage down. I've never had to replace a battery, despite using some phones for two years.

    26. Re:What's that? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      i read books on my pda phone and since the display is the most power hungry part the battery charge won't last long.

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    27. Re:What's that? by SageMusings · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which makes me ask this question:

      If the iPhone is unsubsidized and costs $500+, why does AT&T demand a 2-year contract? Wouldn't that be more palatable if the carrier was fronting some of the cost?

      I can't wait for the day when contracts for cell phones go away. Can you imagine your local carrier for your land line telling you they required a 2-year contract before you could switch long-distance carriers? If I do *anything* with my Verizon phone, it comes with a demand for a new contract. Where is consumer protection?

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    28. Re:What's that? by spazoid12 · · Score: 1

      What do I care if an ipod killer has any impact on the ipod? What kind of weirdo would be primarily interested in buying something other than the ipod because they have some strange obsession or interest in seeing the ipod market dominance come to and end... FINALLY! I'm simply interested in alternatives... some of which are functionally better, for a better price. So far, I haven't shed a tear about missing out on the popularity points that come with the ipod.

    29. Re:What's that? by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Proprietary is better for manufacturers..
      Open is better for consumers...

      But until enough people are vocal enough about having open products, consumers will continue to get ripped off all over the place.

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    30. Re:What's that? by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      The mobile phone market is already well established, the iphone will have a fight to become dominant, if it ever does... There's also the network operators, who have the ability to relegate any phone they dont like to a small niche market.
      The MP3 player market on the other hand, was very new when the ipod came around and there was very little viable competition for it.

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    31. Re:What's that? by cjhuitt · · Score: 1

      I've had three mobile phones in my life, each of them for about 4 years. I have never replaced a battery in any of them. I just ordered a replacement battery for my phone, which is about 3 years old. Why? Basically, because a tiny little plastic piece on the user-replaceable battery broke, and even though the battery itself is still fine, it no longer stays connected to the phone. If it were build right in, I wouldn't be having that problem right now.
    32. Re:What's that? by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

      The Coolpix 850 used standard AA batteries (rechargable or otherwise). The later cameras now use a "custom" Nikon battery and battery charger.

      The Coolpix 995 can also use 2CR5 lithium batteries. I keep a couple of them with mine as backup (the rechargeables are crapping out on me again and need to be replaced). They're not quite as common as AAs, but they're a standard camera battery type that you should be able to find near the film at a well-stocked tourist trap or in a Wal-Mart-type of store.

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    33. Re:What's that? by jamietre · · Score: 1

      I've had three mobile phones in my life, each of them for about 4 years. I have never replaced a battery in any of them.

      Obviously, you have never owned a RAZR. After six months, I was lucky to get 12 hours of standby and 30 minutes of talk time. That is pretty much the norm for that phone, from what I've heard.

      The real question is.. why NOT allow the battery to be replaceable? And this thing isn't just a phone - it's a music player too. It's going to go through a lot more recharge cycles and have a lot more continuous high-power operation than just a cell phone. The typical iPod battery seems to be good for a year or so, now you've got one device that will (in theory) be used as much as both your phone and your ipod.

      I'm guessing 9 months from now, Apple begins offering a $150-$200 battery replacement program, just like the iPod. But for that money, most people will probably just upgrade to the iPhone v2 that will be released then. If the battery were user-replaceable, a lot of people would just buy one for 20 bucks and go on their merry way. Once again, anti-consumer design for apple's benefit.

  4. Wow by niceone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Obviously you can't change the battery yourself, but from those pictures it looks like even Apple couldn't change it. That can't be so, can it?

    1. Re:Wow by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Obviously you can't change the battery yourself, but from those pictures it looks like even Apple couldn't change it. That can't be so, can it?

      You know, I have the feeling people who buy high-tech, flashy gadgetry such as the iPhone aren't likely to invest in it for the long term, with a value-for-money approach to buying and owning the product. The battery will probably last long enough for the owner to have another "oh shiny!" purchasing moment and relegate his iPhone to the bottom of some drawer...

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    2. Re:Wow by suv4x4 · · Score: 5, Funny

      You know, I have the feeling people who buy high-tech, flashy gadgetry such as the iPhone aren't likely to invest in it for the long term, with a value-for-money approach to buying and owning the product.

      You'll be surprised. Most Mac people I know are poor, unemployed, and step on toes around their machines. But they were so convinced they should absolutely must get Apple, they would stay away from pot for a month to afford one.

    3. Re:Wow by FireFury03 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Most Mac people I know are poor

      They probably weren't poor until they blew all their cash on Apple kit. :)

    4. Re:Wow by Gord · · Score: 5, Informative

      Obviously you can't change the battery yourself, but from those pictures it looks like even Apple couldn't change it. That can't be so, can it?

      Apple will replace it under their service program, when the phone is out-of-warranty. $85.95 including postage.

      http://www.apple.com/support/iphone/service/batter y/

    5. Re:Wow by itsdapead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Obviously you can't change the battery yourself, but from those pictures it looks like even Apple couldn't change it. That can't be so, can it?

      Welcome to the scorched Earth.

      Lots of people habitually upgrade their phone every time they upgrade their contract - OK that's with free or heavily subsidised phones that don't cost $500 with a contract - but rest assured, those guys who queued all day yesterday are not going to be seen dead using a first-generation iPhone in two year's time. These are the customers that will be paying Steve's mortgage, not the ones still using their 5-year-old handset, so why waste money designing a phone to last more that 2 years?

      Plus, it doesn't half make that $70 AppleCare protection plan look attractive.

      Having said that, I'm sure Apple service agents will be able to replace the battery (...a purpose designed case-opening tool and a supply of replacement back covers would make it rather easier) - and from Apple's POV a battery hatch, contacts and additional casing will cost a few cents more, might add a millimetre to the thickness and would be something else to break, go wrong or get replaced by a cookie by someone's sprog. Its not like the iPod flopped because of a non-removable battery.

      (PS - I'm not saying I like the idea)

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    6. Re:Wow by Gothmolly · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, they're still using the Mac that their parents bought them when they lived in the basement. The reason that they don't have any money is that they're too busy updating their blogs, and buying emo music, thick-rimmed glasses, and 1970s Tshirts.

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    7. Re:Wow by djh101010 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apple will replace it under their service program, when the phone is out-of-warranty. $85.95 including postage.

      http://www.apple.com/support/iphone/service/batter y/ Oh come on now, Gord, the bashers were displaying their ignorance for us, and you had to go and spoil the little show by injecting actual facts and everything. What were you thinking?

      Another point, is that I've sent 2 iPods back to Apple for battery replacement, and both times they came back as (presumably) the same guts but a new battery, and case. So the cost (60 bucks as I recall) was in effect a refurb. Looked like a brand new unit coming back.
    8. Re:Wow by Joebert · · Score: 1

      they would stay away from pot for a month to afford one.

      Then after a month with no pot they look at the $500 price tag, two year contract, & wonder WTF they were thinking.

      In all fairness though, I met one of the guys who designs lighting layouts at shows for Audio Visual Innovations [aviinc.com], & he uses an Apple laptop to do it. He didn't have to give up pot for a month to get the Mac either, the Mac actually helps him afford good pot.
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    9. Re:Wow by starwed · · Score: 1

      I know tons of people with 2 year cingular/AT&T contracts... I doubt that this is that much of a deal-breaker for most.

    10. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Same tired old FUD.
      "You can't change an iPod battery"
      So what? (never mind that you can, for the moment).
      My iPod went THREE YEARS before its battery died.
      Three years in consumer electronics is longer than "dog years".
      Do you honestly think that everyone buying an iPhone today will find it up-to-speed in three years?
      Hell, I can't even buy a $2500 COMPUTER that can keep pace with technology that long.
      "What if my battery goes dead while I'm using it. I can't pop in a fresh one".
      I have never, ever, in a decade of cell ownership, found myself in a position where I was out of range of a charger for more the 3-4 days needed to recharge my battery.
      I have never, ever even owned a second battery.
      Guess what? In an informal poll of my co-workers, not a single one of them said that they've ever needed, nor have ever owned, a second battery for their phones, either.
      Trust me, there isn't anyone outside of the rabid Anti-Apple crowd that doesn't find this argument to be old and tired, so give it a rest.
      (For the record, I'm a field service technician. I work on the road, and exclusively on-site for my company's customers. I am the g-d DEFINITION of a Road Warrior)

    11. Re:Wow by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

      Most Mac people I know aren't poor, and some edge into the wealthy category. On the other hand, a lot of them like to brag about the longevity of their computers. On the other other hand, most of them seem to accept a distinct lack of longevity when it comes to their iPods. I suspect that the price and the lock-in on the iPhone will make for pissed off people if the battery doesn't go the distance, though.

    12. Re:Wow by Wdomburg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hell, I can't even buy a $2500 COMPUTER that can keep pace with technology that long.

      Some people use their electronics to do things, not "keep pace with technology". My last $600 computer lasted me seven years.

    13. Re:Wow by tassii · · Score: 1

      Far as I know if you can solder something in, you can re-heat and take it back out again. I've been doing it for years to replace worn batteries on my RC race cars. Saves space since you don't have to add connectors and increases the electric throughput since there isn't a gap for the electric to have to jump across.

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    14. Re:Wow by antime · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Will the data on my iPhone be preserved?

      No, the repair process will clear all data from your iPhone.

      How much do you want to bet they're not repairing jack shit, just giving you a new phone?
    15. Re:Wow by DarkVader · · Score: 1

      That's not obvious at all. Those batteries will be available, and I obviously COULD change it myself.

    16. Re:Wow by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Having said that, I'm sure Apple service agents will be able to replace the battery (...a purpose designed case-opening tool and a supply of replacement back covers would make it rather easier)


      From seeing the Think Secret pictures, I agree. A special tool for removing the bottom half of the back, four screws, and a soldering iron and you're in. You probably don't even have to send it back to Apple. I've seen in-store cell phone repair techs perform more complex operations than that.

      It wasn't too long ago when those types of electronics repairs were common, but today's typical geek can't remember back far enough to the times when nothing inside your PC was socketed/slotted, and every repair required solder; and when every town had a radio & television repair shop with tube testers and a permanent smell of flux inside.
    17. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they were so convinced they should absolutely must get Apple, they would stay away from pot for a month to afford one.

      $600 for a phone

      Either you smoke a lot of pot, or that is some amazing shit

    18. Re:Wow by confused+one · · Score: 1

      They don't give you a new phone; it's a refurb. Same deal with the iPods.

    19. Re:Wow by cyber-dragon.net · · Score: 1

      Really? Because most of the QA, Web Development, Vulnerability Signatures... hell 2/3 of engineering at my company that have given up on Windows and gone to Macs (another 1/4 use Linux) seem to be paid pretty well, at least from the cars outside the building. Maybe if you stopped smoking pot in your mom's basement long enough to get a real tech job you might see people are over windows in silicon valley, they want something that WORKS.

    20. Re:Wow by confused+one · · Score: 1

      Hmmm. Mine typically cost $800 and last 4 years. Of course that doesn't count the two 6 year old computers I just resurrected to use a test platform and automation server.

    21. Re:Wow by antime · · Score: 1

      Same difference, the point is that they're not changing the battery in the phone you hand in.

    22. Re:Wow by dAzED1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hell, I can't even buy a $2500 COMPUTER that can keep pace with technology that long.

      I know you wrote that as bait for the kind of response that I'm going to give, but...I'm going to give it anyway.

      I'm in the top 5% of incomes in the US (meaning, it wasn't because I couldn't afford a replacement), yet my main computer from 1999-2006 was a $900 laptop. The only reason I dumped it was because the internal power board (the one with the jack for the power supply, and the one that handled charging the battery) smoked one day while I was using it, and well...wasn't going to be able to find a replacement part for it. Esp since my battery (probably related, natch) hadn't been charging for about 6 months anyway, which meant I needed a new battery too. Was finally time to retire it.

      So, I spent another $1100, and my new laptop will likely last me not quite as long, but certainly at least double the lifespan of the iPhone battery.

      You may want to rethink what it is you are trying to keep up with.

    23. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      with /my/ last couple $2000 computers I built a business worth over a half million dollars. And in the meantime, used them to earn myself a nice salary.

      but yeah. that computer sure is obsolete now ;)

    24. Re:Wow by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 1

      Or you can save 10 bucks with AppleCare. Neat thing there - you can do that anytime during the warrenty period, so you've got a year to procrastinate that option, or you can get it if you suspect the battery is getting wonky during the first year. Plus for 10 bucks less, you get more protection.

    25. Re:Wow by fermion · · Score: 3, Interesting
      You would be amazed at how long an Mac can last. Macs tend to be designed for power and durability, not to meet some arbitrary low price point. This means that Apple can pay suppliers for first pick parts, and not just settle for the parts that fell off the truck.

      So I have an Apple cube running a smartboard, a powerbook from around 2000 that is my home entertainment setup, a powermac from around 1998 that isn't used much but still works very well, not to mention sundry mac classics, etc, that had to go away because they were not OS X capable.

      My ipods still work, though I never was impressed with the battery life in them, nor do I like the Apple replacement policy, which is why I am hesitant about the iPhone. But the still work, compared to my Nomad, which has little plastic pieces broken off, which means that I paid about the same amount of money for a device that does not work.

      The same applies to my high price phone. Battery lasted a year, then had to charge it every day if I used it, then had to pay $50 for a new one. OTOH, a few years on, my iPod battery is still tolerable. Hopefully, like the iPod, I can send in the iPhone for a battery swap. I think the issue is not going to be the value of the phone, but the value of the time to wait to swap out the phone. If one can't be without a phone for a couple days, and I know many people, even children, who can't, then those will be the ones who will have the new phone. The rest of us, trying to get the full value out of the product, will just eventually have two phones. One for every day, and one for sunday best.

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    26. Re:Wow by yabba-dabba-do · · Score: 1

      So what do I use for a phone / PDA while mine is mailed away getting the battery changed?

    27. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All major general purpose operating systems avaliable today rock.
      This includes windows, linux and even macos.

      There is nothing so wrong with any of these choices that they could not be used to meet the average persons need.

      Personally I prefer AIX and a dumb old non-GSM cell phone with a real keypad, swappable battery and good speaker/mic that is not capable of running either Java or .NET.

      At least I can change the batteries in my iFish.

    28. Re:Wow by fbartho · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...Till Later. If they had to wait till every phone was received, then send it to whereever they process the phones as a big batch (Mexico? China?) Then wait until they are batch shipped back, then finally send it back to you, I bet it would take way too long. However if they just wait until the device is received at a preprocessing center, they verify the serial and model details, then they can just toss it into a container and pick out an identical, tested, refurb unit that they send to you, immediately. The container gets sent off eventually, for much cheaper shipping for them. And the service center guts those units, takes all the working parts, and puts them back together into a unit that gets tagged as refurb, certified new battery, and gets sent back to the preprocessing center as a big batch.

      Better experience all around, and probably cheaper operating costs. But that's just my guess.

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    29. Re:Wow by shmlco · · Score: 1

      By the time you add the cost of a "subsidized" smartphone into the required two-year voice-with-data-plan with any other carrier, the price is pretty much the same, and you're out $2K-beans no matter what.

      Not to mention the fact that now you're probably going to need a Treo AND an iPod...

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    30. Re:Wow by shmlco · · Score: 1

      The three day bit kind of sucks though...

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    31. Re:Wow by Bedevere · · Score: 1
      Apple will replace it under their service program, when the phone is out-of-warranty. $85.95 including postage.

      That's all well and good for an iPod as I can handle giving up my music player for a short amount of time. However, am I really supposed to go without a phone for a week because they didn't feel like making this component user replaceable?

    32. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does Apple make kits now? I've bought from them for nearly 25 years, and I've never seen something they sold that required assembly or other parts. I've visited the store in Southampton about once a month since it opened, and I have never seen anything in the store that is what you claim. Care to back-up your claim? Or are you just yet another irrational Apple-hater.

    33. Re:Wow by Stewie241 · · Score: 2, Informative

      a. kit is a slang term for gear. So, read, They probably weren't poor until they blew all their cash on Apple Gear. :)

      b. that being said, I believe the iPod is an Apple product that requires other parts (most don't even come with a charger that can be plugged into the wall).

    34. Re:Wow by addicted4444 · · Score: 1

      A result of the different expectations of a consumer electronics device, and a general purpose computer.

    35. Re:Wow by LKM · · Score: 1

      My original, second-gen iPod is still being used. The battery doesn't last 10 hours anymore, but enough to be usable. I have no idea what people's issue with iPods is. There's no "distinct lack of longevity" at all.

    36. Re:Wow by pchan- · · Score: 1

      How much do you want to bet they're not repairing jack shit, just giving you a new phone? My back of the envelope calculation yields the price of manufacturing one iphone to be about $200. That's what it costs Apple to get one out of a factory in China, we're not even counting shipping. The price of replacing a battery in your unit is probably around $10 to $20 per piece (with labor), and it can be done in a warehouse in the U.S. Plus, they don't have to book the unit they took back from you as a return on their books. I'm going to bet that they refurb.
    37. Re:Wow by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      How much??

    38. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not? They make money selling the device not providing phone service. Apple would be perfectly happy having the phone die so that you are required to buy a second one.

    39. Re:Wow by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      The process is something like this:

      1. Apple receives your iPhone/iPod
      2. Apple ships you a tested, refurbished-or-new iPhone/iPod.
      3. Once the stock of bad iPhones/iPods has built up, they are batch-shipped to manufacturing for refurbishing.
      4. Newly-refurbished iPhones/iPods are received at Apple and added to the queue.

      And it's quite possible that steps 1 and 2 are reversed--Apple ships you a replacement unit and you use the same box with the pre-attached RMA to send your unit back. I had to go through this rigamarole with an iPod once and I honestly can't remember how it went.

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    40. Re:Wow by jandrese · · Score: 1

      With my experience with phone companies (T-Mobile, Cingular (now AT&T), and Verizon), the SIM card tends to die after 2 or 3 years anyway, and none of them will sell you just a new SIM card, you have to get a whole new 2 year contract, in which case you might as well get a new phone while you're at it. I have several phones in great shape with lots of battery life that I can't use because the SIM card in them died. It's really annoying that the card that you put in once and never touch again is so fragile, but I guess it's a good way to keep you under contract. The plan backfired a bit though because I've switched carriers each time they pull this bullcrap on me.

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    41. Re:Wow by toddestan · · Score: 1

      How is it FUD? The battery is soldered into the iPhone. That's a fact, sorry.

      While a significant number of people do not care about that kind of thing, there are some that do care. And yes, they are going to complain about it. So just deal with it.

    42. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think you'd be able to afford a Slashdot username then.

      Me. I'm poor. I'm still saving up for one.

    43. Re:Wow by nsayer · · Score: 1
      Luxury.

      My last computer cost $25,000, and required you to program in COBOL with toggle switches on the front panel and lasted 30 years.

      And you try telling that to the young people of today, and they won't believe you!

    44. Re:Wow by 12WTF$ · · Score: 1

      In opening the iPhone to change the battery, the case components will be easily damaged.
      Apple could also include a replacement case (it's cheap cf. the wizzbang internals) in an iPhone battery replacement part.
      This refurbed iPhone would regain 'shiny'. Importantly Apple could charge more for the service :)

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    45. Re:Wow by in2mind · · Score: 1

      How much do you want to bet they're not repairing jack shit, just giving you a new phone?
      Any one can figure out if its a new phone with a simple IMEI Number check right?
    46. Re:Wow by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      It comes with a USB cable, which for me is much better than a power brick...
      I travel around a lot, but always carrying a laptop. Wherever i am, there is a power source for my ipod, and a usb cable is much smaller than yet another power brick.

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    47. Re:Wow by Stewie241 · · Score: 1

      For the $300 or whatever it costs for an iPod video, would it break the bank to throw in both? I would bet that many people travel around a lot WITHOUT a laptop (myself included), and this means buying another power brick anyway. How much can the things cost to produce, anyway?

    48. Re:Wow by MrNiCeGUi · · Score: 1

      That's strange. I have the same SIM since 7 years (and 3 phones) ago. My wife's SIM card has more than 8 years. Admitedly, I'm from Europe, but a SIM that lasts just 2 years seems a little curious to me.

    49. Re:Wow by martinX · · Score: 1

      From a Pogue article (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/technology/circ uits/27pogue.html?ex=1198728000&en=7cc053b55e15b91 5&ei=5087&mkt=techphoto):

      Apple says that the battery starts to lose capacity after 300 or 400 charges.
      and

      In practice, you'll probably wind up recharging about every other day.
      So the battery should be dead just about the time your contract is up and you're thinking of upgrading...
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    50. Re:Wow by Randym · · Score: 1

      You would be amazed at how long an Mac can last.

      Indeed. I am still using a Mac Classic from *1982*. It only ever had a 25-Meg drive and runs at a poky 8MHz, but it *still works fine*. (I use it for breadboarding problems before I write the final version in gcc. I use Basic 2.0, written by some guy named Bill.)

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  5. The software by yohanes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am more interested in someone hacking the software (is it really OSX?, can you flash it, etc). But this may provide a good start, because they give quite detailed photos of most of the hardware.

    1. Re:The software by FireFury03 · · Score: 0, Troll

      I am more interested in someone hacking the software

      Keep an eye out for the Neo1973 later in the year, which will be running OpenMoko and thus be truly hackable (by design). Looks like a better piece of kit than the iPhone (although the screen is a bit small) - I will probably wait until they produce a second generation version with 3G (and hopefully a bigger screen and hard keypad for dialling).

      I wouldn't go near the iPhone ATM - it just has too many things wrong with it: Unreplacable battery, can't run 3rd party software, stupidly expensive (around $2000 over 2 years), crap touch-screen (can't be used with a stylus - fat fingers only), doesn't do handwriting recognition, no 3G, no keypad, the list goes on...

      I haven't yet worked out whether the iPhone will be a big success or a massive flop. What I do know though is that it will only be bought by people who buy based on hype rather than featureset. So the equation comes down to how many Apple fanboys are there with buckets of cash who will buy something purely because Apple tells them to. :)

    2. Re:The software by throatmonster · · Score: 1

      "So the equation comes down to how many Apple fanboys are there with buckets of cash who will buy something purely because Apple tells them to. :)"

      Apple did their market research, I'm sure. There are plenty of people out there with more dollars than sense.

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    3. Re:The software by quickbrownfox · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I haven't yet worked out whether the iPhone will be a big success or a massive flop. What I do know though is that it will only be bought by people who buy based on hype rather than featureset. So the equation comes down to how many Apple fanboys are there with buckets of cash who will buy something purely because Apple tells them to.
      So I guess the revolutionary interface doesn't count as a "feature"? I saw several women and teens in line at my local Apple store - not your typical Apple fanboys. I think these people respond to the iPhone because Apple designed it for them. They didn't design it for you. Just ignore it if you don't want one, but don't accuse the people who are interested in it of being gullible simpletons. Apple has built their reputation on simple, elegant, intuitive interface design. And, whether you care about it or not, that is an important feature to a lot of people.
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    4. Re:The software by rhizome · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of people out there with more dollars than sense.

      Right, because everybody who gets or wants an iPhone is stupid.

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    5. Re:The software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right

    6. Re:The software by andyfrommk · · Score: 1

      Your link should have pointed to the openmoko wiki.
      Potential iPhone buyers should give this page a glance, a better screen and more storage space through microSD cards( 8Gb microSD cards will be released soon and who's willing to bet that in two years time the capacity of microSD reachs 32Gb,

    7. Re:The software by heinousjay · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm such a huge fan of people who assert, even indirectly as you did, that anyone who doesn't agree with their opinion must be stupid.

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    8. Re:The software by pkulak · · Score: 1

      Every piece of technology is a tradeoff. I'm getting an iPhone because it makes all the compromises in MY favor. When I'm out and about I want a full browser. I want to see the actual web-page and not some unusable bastardized version. I want great battery life and a tiny form factor that can live in my pocket for days without bothering me. I want a pretty screen and I don't want to carry around a damn stylus. I don't need to open up an SSH terminal on my phone or install a bunch of crappy third-party software or stream my television to me on the other side of the country. You can sit in a restaurant or a bar with your Nokia browsing /. at lightning 3G speeds while monitoring your home server, or whatever it is you feel the iPhone doesn't allow you to do. I just need to browse Wikipedia to settle and argument, or look up a phonenumber, or get directions or movie times.

    9. Re:The software by kchrist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It looks like it really is OS X. John Gruber posted a Mail.app (actually called MobileMail.app on the iPhone) crash log that reveals all sorts of interesting about the filesystem layout, including the existence of /Applications, /System/Library/Frameworks, /usr/lib, and so on. MobileMail is using sqlite for storage, apparently.

    10. Re:The software by kchrist · · Score: 1

      As a follow-up to my own post (yes, yes, poor form), someone has done a little analysis of the aforementioned crash log and points out some of the more interesting bits.

    11. Re:The software by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      Having actually tried the keyboard, it's not even remotely difficult. It's way faster (and more accurate) than handwriting recognition. As for the stylus--sorry, I had a Palm once. A stylus is about as useless as a cigarette holder. Compared to the iPhone, a stylus is like never being allowed to use your hands, except to operate tongs.

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    12. Re:The software by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      a better screen

      Depends what you mean by better - the Neo has a higher resolution screen and a better touchscreen, but it's not as big. :(

    13. Re:The software by FireFury03 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Compared to the iPhone, a stylus is like never being allowed to use your hands, except to operate tongs.

      Eh? It's not like any of the devices that support a stylus _force_ you to use it - I prod at the screen on my phone with my bare fingers when that's appropriate, but there are times when a stylus is *very* useful. Also, I find handwriting recognition much faster than an on-screen keyboard (which provides absolutely no tactile feedback). Having a choice is good - normal touchscreens give you that choice, the iPhone takes it away.

    14. Re:The software by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      Maybe a bad onscreen keyboard, but I think second for second you'd be faster typing on an auto-correcting keyboard than you would be handwriting, to say nothing of the handwriting recognition errors that you'd have to correct. Even one-fingered typing on iPhone's keyboard was way faster for me than handwriting ever is.

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    15. Re:The software by identity0 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. My mom has hated Apple COMPUTERS ever since she had to do tech support for a college using OS 9 iMacs, but she loves her iPod nano. And yesterday, I got a call from her saying she really wanted to get an iPhone after using it at the store. I talked her out of it because it is $500 for a v1.0 product, and we would have to switch phone providers, but she really liked it. My mom is by no means a tech illiterate, but she doesn't take pleasure from working on it like most slashdotters do. The fact that Apple were able to impress her is a good sign, I think.

      I think Apple has come a long way in the past five years. Becoming a consumer electornics-centered company is really helping them, because I think it fits their philosophy of controlling the user experience much better than trying to simplify computers into consumer electronics, which is what they used to do.

    16. Re:The software by LittleDobbs · · Score: 1

      I haven't yet worked out whether the iPhone will be a big success or a massive flop. What I do know though is that it will only be bought by people who buy based on hype rather than featureset. So the equation comes down to how many Apple fanboys are there with buckets of cash who will buy something purely because Apple tells them to. :)

      Success for the same reason I have TiVo instead of MythTV. My wife likes the TiVo remote and interface. She also likes the look of the iPhone, although we're still waiting on it for a while. She'll buy based on look and feel not on features. I think Apple's appealed to the masses on this one just like they did with the iPod. It's not the cheapest but it is "the one to have" which is all marketing. Jobs knows this and is banking on it. I hate to say this, but geeks are a minority in technology these days. If you doubt this then just look at who gets the newest toys where you work.

    17. Re:The software by andyfrommk · · Score: 1

      Depends what you mean by better - the Neo has a higher resolution screen and a better touchscreen, but it's not as big. :(
      Point taken, I've got a 15" TFT monitor running at 1280x1024 but if I could route my video out to my 30" widescreen CRT PAL tv I would
  6. What did slashot do by JamesRose · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Before it became a pure iPhone advertising tool, i honestly can't remember, and I can only imagine how empty it must have been...

    1. Re:What did slashot do by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The unwashed masses have Paris Hilton, we geeks have the iPhone...

      Still, I'd like one of the editors here to take the attitude toward the iPhone that Mika Brzezinski has towards Paris. This video is quite funny, she was really mad!

      Back to Slashdot - you realize you made the problem worse by clicking on and replying to this story? If the editors are looking at what types of stories lead to more clicks, you've just "voted"! :)

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    2. Re:What did slashot do by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

      The unwashed masses have Paris Hilton, we geeks have the iPhone...

      I'm willing to bet a lot of slashdotters will have both... in the virtual sense that is.

      Kleenex!

    3. Re:What did slashot do by Maserati · · Score: 1

      I have to say that I really appreciate the analogy, if only to show off my new .sig.

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    4. Re:What did slashot do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The unwashed masses have Paris Hilton, we geeks have the iPhone...



      Although, in this context, it would be better to use the term "washed masses" for the proper effect.

  7. Snuff movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's like some kind of warped geek snuff movie

    1. Re:Snuff movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, with the victim hacked apart by a clueless butcher. It would work better if they copied the style of one of those 1940's German snuff movies with a trained surgeon doing the job.

  8. SIM by wikinerd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Here in Europe in most cases we can change the SIM easily. Why not in the US?

    1. Re:SIM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You can also change the SIM easily in most US GSM phones. (not CDMA, of course) The iPhone is special.

    2. Re:SIM by v(*_*)vvvv · · Score: 0

      I think that is why it is not being released yet in Europe or in Japan... It lacks some vital features these markets are used to. Well, apart from replacing batteries.

    3. Re:SIM by lexarius · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can change the SIM in the iPhone too (there are pictures of the software demanding that the SIM be inserted). However, like many US phones, it is vendor locked and can only be used with SIMs from a particular provider. If Apple drops the exclusive deal with AT&T (which they can do in two years), they'll probably send out unlock codes via Software Update. Maybe.

    4. Re:SIM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uh, it's quite easy to change the SIM card in the iPhone. There's a tray at the top that works like the battery tray in the Apple Remote.

    5. Re:SIM by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      Here in Europe in most cases we can change the SIM easily. Why not in the US?

      I'm "here in Europe", and this is differing from country to country, and service provider to service provider. Sometimes even the same provider would offer locked and unlocked phones at the same time.

      So don't oversimplify things so much.

      As about disassembling the iPhone: bleh. I wanna see actual reviews and sales numbers.

      It's not susprise if you open it you'll see chips, batteries and TFT screen.

    6. Re:SIM by Egdiroh · · Score: 1

      How many times does this perception have to be fixed. You can change the physical sim. The thing that is restricted is using another carrier, which is common on US phones. In the end of the day the reason for this is our messed up publicly traded stock system. Rather then just being used for long term investment, there are now many people who try to skim money off our economy by taking advantage of short term fluctuations of relative stock value. This has resulted in a more volatile market, where companies are valued, not on their real value, but on their rate of growth and sometimes even the rate of their rate of growth. This can result in a successful company ending up vastly undervalued, and often when this happens they get bought out to the detriment of the company. And in this world being able to make long term profit estimates is very important, and as a consequence of greed and the corporate corruption that stemmed from that greed, we have fairly strict laws about what profit you can say that you expect. And cell phone contracts come out of that, ATT gets to declare more expected earnings from me if they have a 2 year contract with them, then if I am just month to month. Of course this has meant that once the market adjusted to the 1 year contracts they had to go to 18 month and now 2 year. I would be surprised if we made it to the end of the decade without the standard contract being 2.5 years.

    7. Re:SIM by abdulla · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think it's actually 5 years. They must have one hell of a deal.

    8. Re:SIM by FireFury03 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Sometimes even the same provider would offer locked and unlocked phones at the same time.

      I was quite surprised to hear that the Carphone Warehouse sell unlocked phones these days because it's much cheaper for them to not have to stock the same phone branded and locked to each telco.

    9. Re:SIM by stewbee · · Score: 1

      I think you are missing the point of the parent's argument. He mentioned the sim card could easily be removed. From the pictures, it does not look * like an easy operation to change the sim card. The cover had to be removed, then the battery, then a ribbon cable, and finally an EMI shield. That is not easy!

      * this is speculation, since I do not have anything to go by other than the pictures.

    10. Re:SIM by xil · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, you don't have to take it apart! There's a slot on the outside of the device, that you can open with a paperclip, that opens the tray with the SIM card.

    11. Re:SIM by arivanov · · Score: 1

      O2 contract phones are unlocked. All of them (one of the reasons why I use only them nowdays). Same for the BT MVNO. Vodafone contract used to be unlocked, but started locking them from live! onwards. Orange and T-mob/Virgin are always locked regardless. This is the short summary for the UK. Other countries may differ.

      Actually, the provider does not need to lock the phone to limit access to a particular service. 3 used to do that with their early 3G phones. They sucked so people took 3 contracts and put them into 2G Nokias. 3 was unhappy as their 2G is actually roaming on O2 so they started checking IEMI (phone ID) vs SIM and enforcing that you use a particular SIM with a particular phone on a particular contract.

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    12. Re:SIM by DrXym · · Score: 1
      You can change the SIM in the iPhone too (there are pictures of the software demanding that the SIM be inserted). However, like many US phones, it is vendor locked and can only be used with SIMs from a particular provider. If Apple drops the exclusive deal with AT&T (which they can do in two years), they'll probably send out unlock codes via Software Update. Maybe.

      The sick part is people are paying $600 for a phone UNDER CONTRACT. That's simply insane.

    13. Re:SIM by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      so they started checking IEMI (phone ID) vs SIM and enforcing that you use a particular SIM with a particular phone on a particular contract.

      That sort of behaviour would result in me cancelling my contract since I regularly swap my SIM between phones for legitimate reasons (for example: I take a Nokia 5130 when I'm out windsurfing incase I need to make an emergency call - given the number of times the 5130 has been dropped in the sea I'm not about to take my expensive every-day phone).

  9. The battery is not replaceable by design. by Cordath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Have you ever changed the battery in an iPod? It's possible, but a royal nuisance. Anyone who has done so probably realizes that Apple never really intended it to be possible. With the iPhone they've taken it a step further by soldering the battery directly to the board. I think that says it all. The only question is whether or not the battery will live up to daily use long enough to last out the contracts people are signing themselves into.

    From the pictures on anandtech, it appears that the iPhone uses a Li-poly battery. That's an interesting choice, but a concerning one. Those typically do not last for as many charges as a plain old lithium ion battery. Apple is probably counting on the fact that the people who will lay out the kind of money the iPhone costs are the sort who won't try to nurse a device on for years, but rather, are the sort that will bin said device as soon as the next greatest thing (Hopefully the next generation of iPhone) comes along.

    I suppose in this light it's not really planned obsolescence. Apple just built the iPhone to the minimum specs of the fickle trendy gadget crowd.

    1. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by DarkVader · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So it takes a soldering iron to change the battery. That's not exactly making it a challenge for most people on Slashdot, right?

      And it's not like we're going to have any real trouble sourcing a battery either, all the usual iPod battery suppliers will have them.

      I'm really not sure why people keep whining about the battery thing. That's really the least of the iPhone's problems as far as I'm concerned.

      My list of why I won't buy one now, and maybe not ever:

      1. I don't know if it will tether. If it won't, dealbreaker.
      2. EDGE - I have an EDGE phone now. It's too slow. If 802.11 worked where I needed my phone to access the internet, I wouldn't need my phone to access the internet.
      3. Javascript is not an SDK.
      4. Not enough storage capacity to be useful as an iPod. I wouldn't mind at all having a hard drive in my phone, I want 80GB, not 8.
      5. I don't do 2 year contracts.
      6. This thing is useless without activation. If I decide I don't want Cingular, it's not even an ipod, it's a doorstop.

      I don't hate Apple, I make Apple computers work for a living. I'm typing this on an iBook. But it looks like my next phone will probably be a RAZR v3xx, not an iPhone. And if the iPhone would do what I want, I'd be all over it.

    2. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I suppose in this light it's not really planned obsolescence. Apple just built the iPhone to the minimum specs of the fickle trendy gadget crowd. No, it's planned obsolescence whether the majority are going to chuck it before it dies or not. The fact remains that it was built with a short lifetime in mind, and you simply do not have the option of using it beyond that short lifetime without resorting to drastic measures.
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    3. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by confused+one · · Score: 3, Funny

      So it takes a soldering iron to change the battery. That's not exactly making it a challenge for most people on Slashdot, right?

      In my experience there are way too many people who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a soldering iron.

      Put down the soldering iron and back away. That's right, back away from the soldering iron.
    4. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by DarkVader · · Score: 1

      But it's a nice temp-controlled Weller. I'm not giving it up. Besides, I've not burned myself with one since I was a teenager, and I'm well over 30 now.

      Seriously, from the photos this looks like it would be about as easy as soldering gets. Opening the case without scratching it would be harder than the actual soldering.

    5. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by shmlco · · Score: 1

      "... you simply do not have the option of using it beyond that short lifetime without resorting to drastic measures."

      You mean, other than taking it to an Apple store and asking them to replace the battery for you?

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    6. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by profplump · · Score: 1

      No, it's not, because "planned" requires intent. If they really thought that consumer interest would be the limiting factor in the life of the phone then failing to design it function longer than its expected lifetime does not show intent -- planning -- to limit that lifetime. I'm not saying that's how it happened, but you can't claim "planned obsolescence" without implying intent.

      Your tires have a shorter lifetime than most other parts in your car and aren't user-replacable -- you have to go someplace with specialized equipment to rip the old tires off your rims and install new ones. Is that "planned obsolescence" or does it simply reflect that fact that both tires and cars can be superior (either in price or engineering or both) if we don't make them user-replacable?

    7. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure it's "planned", but I suspect the reason is because it's a lithium polymer battery. Those things are very easy to start on fire if you mess with them. The last thing the iPhone needs is after market batteries.

    8. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by confused+one · · Score: 1

      As a manufacturing engineer who has to deal with everything from "as easy as soldering gets" to ball grid arrays and direct wire bonding, I stand by my statement. You might know what you're doing; but, I've seen too many burned boards, boards damaged by flux, boards physically damaged, mis-wired boards, etc. And that's all on "as easy as solder gets" type work.

      Then we get into the whole, is it lead free solder (RoHS compliant) or not issue.

    9. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by joto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My list of why I won't buy one now, and maybe not ever:

      Here is mine:

      1. I already have a phone
      2. My phone is not broken yet
      3. My phone doesn't look like it's going to break soon
      4. Even if I needed a new phone, I'm not convinced it would be my first choice
      5. You can't currently buy the iPhone in Norway
    10. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Have you ever changed an iPod battery? Cause it doesn't sound like you know what you are talking about.

      All recent iPod batteries are soldered to the board just like the iPhone.

      All recent iPods have Lithium Polymer batteries.

      By "recent" I mean pretty much everything since those ugly ass first or second generation original HDD iPods. Ever notice trendy designs like what Apple uses look really shit after a few years?

    11. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      From the pictures on anandtech, it appears that the iPhone uses a Li-poly battery. From the tech specs it seems to be lithium ion battery.
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    12. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by bismark.a · · Score: 1

      And heres mine:

      1. I don't have $600 spare change let alone $500 + $60 / month * 24 month (s) = $2040 spare change.

      2. I have extensively seen and reviewed the phone features and how they work. I will wait for a 3rd or 4th gen. (with a better camera and GPS I hope, and any basic software bugs fixed) before putting down non spare change, hard earned money.

            (Pressing the shift key with no visual indication seems like one such bug.)

      3. I like to choose my own mobile phone provider, and need more features like swappable battery, memory etc. to condone marrying with a unfavoured provider like Cingular/AT&T.

      4. Even if I don't program, like my computer, I like programmable devices. I would rather choose a device provider who would allow some programming like Nokia, Samsung or Sony Ericcson etc. Imagine if someone gave you a computer and said you can't do any programming or scripting on it.

      5. iTunes is good, but is set in the number of interfaces that it supports. Why no Firefox or Thunderbird support is provided in it for iphones? At the very least a plugin architecture and support can let developers provide for this themselves. I don't like to be told what I can use and cannot use. I want to decide whats best for me from a wide range of possibilities.

      Despite all these, I might plunk for an iPhone in 3rd or 4th iteration, if there are no other phones around with similar capability at the time.

    13. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      There is visual indication on the shift key-- the shift "button" glows. Looks like they didn't change text styles on the keyboard to maintain readability.

      The keyboard and landscape orientation options do need more work, but it is worth the money compared to a blackberry or treo.

      Over time, Apple had better open the thing up some. The calculator is a pathetic joke, and there are far too many apps that just a web interface won't work. Lack of IMAPS was pretty lame; looks like the POP isn't secured either, but I haven't done packet analysis on it. Ultimately, these are disappointments, but not deal breakers, at least for me.

    14. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      6. This thing is useless without activation. If I decide I don't want Cingular, it's not even an ipod, it's a doorstop.
      Yeah, but it's an Apple doorstop.
    15. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by LKM · · Score: 1

      Realistically, cell phones are very short-lived gadgets anyway. Most people are going to get new cell phones as soon as their contract runs out, which, for the iPhone, is in two years. In a way, it's very saddening that such an amazing little piece of technology has such a short life expectancy...

    16. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by jandrese · · Score: 1

      I have a third generation iPod and the battery is most certainly not soldered to anything in it. In fact it has a connector that you can pull right out when replacing the battery. By far the hardest part of replacing it is getting the case off (which is no mean feat if you've never done it before and don't want to scratch anything). Once the case is off it is trivial to replace the battery and put the case back on. There are tons of places online that sell replacement batteries for the 3G iPods too.

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    17. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by prockcore · · Score: 1

      The only question is whether or not the battery will live up to daily use long enough to last out the contracts people are signing themselves into.


      It won't. David Pogue says that Apple quoted 300-400 recharge cycles. That's about 1 year.
    18. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by magixman · · Score: 1

      The V3XX is an absolute gem of technology. This tiny unit packs a very fine grained lcd with a decent processor and a radio that coughs up bars where other phones won't go. With the $19.95 Media Works plan you have all the internet you can eat and you can tether as long as you don't read the TOS. But without the iCandy it won't appeal to other than the /. crowd. Best of all it fits in that little inner pocket of your Levis.

    19. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by coaxial · · Score: 1

      1. I don't know if it will tether. If it won't, dealbreaker. ehh.

      2. EDGE - I have an EDGE phone now. It's too slow. If 802.11 worked where I needed my phone to access the internet, I wouldn't need my phone to access the internet. Welcome to the United States. Our cell system sucks, and has ever since the switch from analog to digital. Of course what would really be cool would be if it used voip when there was a wifi connection, but of course there will never be a phone that does that.

      3. Javascript is not an SDK. Perhaps, but let's face it. You weren't going to be doing anything with it anyway.

      4. Not enough storage capacity to be useful as an iPod. I wouldn't mind at all having a hard drive in my phone, I want 80GB, not 8. Yup.

      5. I don't do 2 year contracts. Like you're really going to be change your cell provider every year.

      6. This thing is useless without activation. If I decide I don't want Cingular, it's not even an ipod, it's a doorstop. Welcome to the United States. We only sell locked cell phones. You knew this going in. If you weren't willing to use Big Brother's Ma Bell cell system, then you wouldn't have bought an iPhone.

      People are buying the iphone because they want the interface, and it is a slick interface.
    20. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      From the tech specs it seems to be lithium ion battery.

      The think secret gallery (along with the anandtech photos) clearly shows the battery to be a Lithium Ion Polymer (frequently abbreviated to Li-Poly). Couldn't you even have checked what the GP was referring to before posting?

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    21. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by MilesAttacca · · Score: 2, Funny

      6. This thing is useless without activation. If I decide I don't want Cingular, it's not even an ipod, it's a doorstop.

      It's just a little bit too small to be much of an effective doorstop, I'm afraid.... :P Even if it would be a classy one.

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    22. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by rtechie · · Score: 2, Interesting
      So it takes a soldering iron to change the battery. That's not exactly making it a challenge for most people on Slashdot, right?

      No, this is a major hassle and introduces the distinct possibility of frying the motherboard when trying to change the battery. You'll probably be able to send it off to Apple for a nominal fee (or third parties) but it's still hassle. There's also the critical issue of not being able to swap batteries if necessary. For an MP3 player, this doesn't mean much. For a critical business tool like a cellphone/PDA, this is much more significant.

      Not enough storage capacity to be useful as an iPod. I wouldn't mind at all having a hard drive in my phone, I want 80GB, not 8. Weight. Try holding an iPod up to your head (in most respects the form factor is similar to the iPhone). The only HD-based cellphones we are likely to see will be "media" devices (a bit like the iPhone) that REQUIRE a Bluetooth headset.
    23. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Not on software? OSX doesn't even demand you enter a license code as you install it, nor does it enforce any kind of activation...

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    24. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      Not on software? OSX doesn't even demand you enter a license code as you install it, nor does it enforce any kind of activation...

      What's your point?

      A DRMd ITMS song doesn't demand you enter a license code when you play it on your iPod, nor does it enforce any kind of activation.

      A DRMd DVD doesn't demand you enter a license code when you play it on your DVD player, nor does it enforce any kind of activation.

      Try a simple google search, I'm sick of having to explain this.

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    25. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by cthulhu11 · · Score: 0

      1. I don't know if it will tether. If it won't, dealbreaker. A PC-card or ExpressCard to do the same thing costs like $70, and you don't have to hassle with carrying a cable and juggling a laptop and the phone without dropping one. Sheesh.

    26. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by pimpimpim · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Removing the battery is still the best way to reboot your phone in case it gets stuck. Just tell me what to do with the iPhone. Or will it, in contrast to any electronic device in the world, never get stuck?

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    27. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      Here's another:

      It doesn't run the Palm OS apps I've accumulated over the past 10 years.

      If Apple had chosen to provide a real SDK for the iPhone, it wouldn't have taken long for someone to port one of the existing emulators to the iPhone, which would've made it an attractive option (especially in light of Palm's recent missteps).

      In the meantime, my Treo 650 keeps chugging along, and the $45/month for voice and unlimited data that Sprint charges is cheaper than anyone else is offering AFAIK.

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    28. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

      It won't. David Pogue says that Apple quoted 300-400 recharge cycles. That's about 1 year.

      That's assuming you charge it every day, whether it needs it or not. You should be able to go at least 2-3 days between charges, if not more...the last phone I had that needed charging daily was my first one, an old-school analog phone that sucked down more power on standby than most newer phones use when active.

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    29. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The iPhones have been selling out in many stores, and appears to be extremely successful already.

      Your "list of why I won't buy one now" is therefore entirely irrelevant.

      If you don't like the current features, nobody will care except the people who modded you up far enough for me to stumble across your (unabbreviated +5) article.

      I'm really not sure why people keep whining about the battery thing.


      Same reason you are whining about your own shopping list.

      Bye bye.
    30. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by Gentlewhisper · · Score: 1

      The current 5G iPod is around for 2 years.

      TWO YEARS.

      The 4G another 2 years before that.

      Sorry gramps, your 3G iPod is by no means recent.

    31. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by Askmum · · Score: 1

      Have you ever changed the battery in an iPod? It's possible, but a royal nuisance.
      Apple Nano anyone? That wouldn't have happened if the battery was easy to replace. I think it would be a big + to have an easily replacable battery. For if it goes dead or when new technology comes that will double the battery capacity (now that has never happened before)...

      Having said that, my Nokia 6310i is still working like a charm after 5 years on its original battery. So if Apple were ever to start making things as reliable as Nokia did...
      No wait, that's a bad business model. People will still replace their broken iWhatever because it's cool.
    32. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by Thumpnugget · · Score: 1

      Couldn't agree more with parent. I don't even own a cell phone, because it's too little functionality in exchange for someone else having a tether on ME. A (full featured) laptop (of any manufacture) barely makes the grade. And that just happened in the last 3 years or so.

      The iPhone doesn't meet my required minimum specs for a mobile phone, which so far no one has been able to achieve. I need to be able to access and duplicate anything I want on my secure VPN at any time, and the security provided on the device should be transparent, not implied. I admit that I'm not the average user, but there you go. but, to get back to parent's bullet points:

      1. yes.
      2. hell yes.
      3. double hell yes.
      4. exactly. talk to me when you can give me at least 100Gb storage, given my current storage reqs.
      5. hell yes.
      6. double hell yes.

      Don't whine. The iPhone == "enh" unless you can fix all of the above problems plus make me not hate you for flaming me because you bought an overpriced doorstop for some bizarre reason.

      Multitouch? Jeff Han is probably wondering where his iPhone royalties will start arriving. Right?

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    33. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by DarkVader · · Score: 1

      IF my iBook had a PCMCIA or ExpressCard slot (it doesn't) then I could spend an extra $60/month to have a thing that would get broken hanging off the side of my laptop.

      Or I could do what I do now: leave the phone on my belt, and click connect. No cables, no juggling, no hassle, $20 data plan on my phone. Bluetooth works well for tethering.

    34. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by DarkVader · · Score: 1

      I don't consider three solder points to be a major hassle if I don't have to do it more than once a year. I'll probably end up doing it for other people for a more nominal fee than Apple charges. From the size of the solder points, it looks like it will be easier than some of the plug-in connectors on MacBook Pro and iMac logic boards.

      And the weight thing just makes me feel old. I've had cell phones with batteries that weigh more than an iPod, it wouldn't bother me at all for it to be heavier.

    35. Re:The battery is not replaceable by design. by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      It has a reset button, like every other PDA I've ever owned. Presumably they've all had a reset button because a lot of Palm OS and pre-WM5 devices were crappy enough to lose all your data when you took out the battery. NICE!

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  10. US$600 well spent on... by sankyuu · · Score: 2, Funny

    1. Unraveling the mystery of the multi-touch screen by peeling it like an onion!
    2. Figuring out if the iPhone has vestiges of unimplemented features (like how they found unused slots on the Mac Mini).
    3. Seeing exactly which parts are from China, Taiwan and Korea.
    4. And most importantly... iPorn! (is what you get when you cause your iPhone to do an iGoatse.)

  11. But, does it blend? by bitserf · · Score: 0, Redundant
    1. Re:But, does it blend? by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      That is one of the most retarded videos I've seen on YouTube.

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  12. What do all those parts actually cost? by fedxone-v86 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Mod me flamebait but I'm always interested in comparing the estimated manufacturing costs to the price tags Apple puts on its gadgets.

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    1. Re:What do all those parts actually cost? by contrapunctus · · Score: 1

      What about the cost of product development?

    2. Re:What do all those parts actually cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      huh? Thinking costs money? No wonder I'm poor AND dumb.

    3. Re:What do all those parts actually cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wait. Take-apart and research companies, like iSuppli, have sent their employees camping to buy iPhones so that they can be the first to offer component list and price breakdown reports according Forbes. My guess is its component price is around 50% of retail price and bringing the R&D costs and manufacturing costs, its profit margin is around 25-30%.

    4. Re:What do all those parts actually cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok let's take this...

      1. What if Apple development of the iPhone was 2 million dollars?
      2. Apple then sells the iPhone for $500.00 a unit.
      3. In the first year, Apple sells 1 million iPhones (not all that inconceivable).
      4. That would be $500 x 1 million - parts, shipping, storage, etc.
      5. Let's say parts, shipping, storage is around 20% of the price (I made that up).
      6. So that's 500 million x .20 which comes to 100 million.
      7. The 2 million development cost is 2 percent.
      8. I make more than 2 percent on my money in my money market account.

      Summary, the development cost is only relevant if the iPhone is a complete flop, which I honestly doubt will happen.

      Gd-Day!

    5. Re:What do all those parts actually cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure that's even a meaningful question to ask for things that aren't generally available. For example, a small multi-touch capable screen. (It only makes sense to say "how much does an 80GB hard disk cost?" because they're a stable commodity -- anybody can go buy one, and the cost is roughly the same no matter who you are or how many you buy.)

      For special one-offs (look at the chips with Apple logos!), the cost depends largely on both development, and setting up the tooling, so it's highly dependent on quantity. The unit cost of producing a billion of a new device is way less than the unit cost of producing the first ten.

  13. This is just the beginning... by GFree · · Score: 1, Funny

    Apple iPhone Dissected
    Given the way things are going, who knows, the children of the future might end up dissecting iPhones instead of dead rats
    1. Re:This is just the beginning... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, iPhone dissects children of future!

    2. Re:This is just the beginning... by confused+one · · Score: 1

      Given that the children of the future are likely to be cyborgs, this makes sense.

    3. Re:This is just the beginning... by Superpants · · Score: 1

      Is it commonplace where you live for children to dissect dead rats? Are there no playgrounds to keep them busy? Do they escape to the sewers, catch the rats and begin playing surgeon?

  14. Almost good enough for me. by StonedRat · · Score: 0, Redundant

    If this had 3G, GPS and was open to third party development then I would certainly buy one. Maybe version 2 will have those features.

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    1. Re:Almost good enough for me. by sethstorm · · Score: 3, Informative

      Or you can go with an unlocked phone with all that and more. No touchscreen, no lock-in, no lack of 3G, no closed door to third party apps. Gambling for version 2 might not be a good idea.

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    2. Re:Almost good enough for me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would gambling for version 2 not be a good idea? If version 2 doesn't include the things he wants, he can still buy another phone. And by that time either cheaper or with more extras. While following your route (provided he doesn't have money to burn) he's stuck with what you suggested.

    3. Re:Almost good enough for me. by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      Or you can go with an unlocked phone with all that and more. No touchscreen, no lock-in, no lack of 3G, no closed door to third party apps. Gambling for version 2 might not be a good idea. Ugh. "No touch screen" is a bad thing.
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    4. Re:Almost good enough for me. by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      No touchscreen

      Then it might as well be a Motorola StarTAC.

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  15. Why not just one chip? by Chemisor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder if some EE guru could answer me what might be a stupid question: what's the point of using a PCB these days instead of just putting everything on the same chip? I highly doubt that anyone would try to repair an iPhone by substituting some component. Hell, we don't even fix TVs any more. There might be some advantage to using a generic component, but once you are making a custom chip, it would seem to be no harder to merge all the others into it. With the architecture being mostly virtual, I doubt there would be any physical design revisions that could be corrected by revising the layout. So why the PCB?

    1. Re:Why not just one chip? by jamesh · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm not an EE guru, and I know next to nothing about the iPhone, but very standard chips exist for lots of things like 802.11abg, GSM, CDMA, 3G, USB, Bluetooth, LCD/TFT displays, audio, battery charging and monitoring etc. Also, some of these components might be region specific. It makes some sense to keep them separate rather than try and stick everything on the same die, unless you are really pushed for space. Once the thing leaves the factory it may not be repaired, but at the assembly level they may well swap out a bad Bluetooth chip and replace it if required...

      It also allows for (eg) 802.11n ability to be added at a later date if a pin compatible 802.11abgn chip comes on the market, or for them to change display vendors (maybe requiring a different driver chip) if they need to.

    2. Re:Why not just one chip? by dsanfte · · Score: 2, Informative

      The more stuff on a chip, the lower the yields due to failures of individual components, and the more need for a heat spreader. Secondly, putting all the stuff on a chip means it has to be manufactured by a single company, so less cost-savings is to be found than from shopping around for off-the-shelves from China.

      I would also hazard a guess that some of the components on the PCB would simply not fit into an IC.

      That being said, if you really wanted to make an all-in-one-chip iPhone, it's probably possible, minus a few bulky components, but probably not economical. I'm pretty sure they've put the phone together in close to the cheapest way possible given their circumstances.

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    3. Re:Why not just one chip? by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not an EE guru, but it seems to me the reason for discreet chips in a lot of these devices actually serves several purposes.

      Firstly, data speeds between chips might not match; something that's a lot easier to engineer into discreet chips than a single chip with everything on board.

      Secondly, it gives the manufacturer the freedom to switch out components at will. If you dismantle anything from a large embedded device manufacturer, you might find that a single "generation" of a product might go through several iterations of chips simply because the manufacturer was able to source chips from different chip manufacturers for better prices.

      Hell, I know I've seen a number of devices of supposedly the same generation that have had four or five iterations of motherboard and probably more of the chips themselves. Don't kid yourself; manufacturers of these devices are all about maximizing profits, and they do that by keeping their product lines "nimble"

      Third, and as an aside to the second point; fabbing a custom chip is expensive, in time, resources and cost. Most manufacturers will use off the shelf components where possible so that they can keep the costs down. Custom chips tend to be fabbed only where off the shelf solutions don't exist or fail to meet some other engineering goal. The custom chips shown in the iPhone are a prime example of this. Although we don't know for sure what's inside that ARM package (the part numbers seem incongruous), we can guess that they did combine multiple discreet components into that chip package. In the case of the iPhone this was probably done to meet the packaging requirements of the entire device; i.e. Apple wanted a slim and compact device and discreet chips may have taken more space than the engineering team wanted.

      However, the fact that there are several off the shelf chips on the board as well tells me that they were balancing cost and engineering requirements... this almost certainly took a lot of time and it's a nicely engineered solution. I look forward to version 2... which is when I might consider buying one (sorry, tethering and 3G are a big deal for me as I use them daily).

    4. Re:Why not just one chip? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it means you have to create everything yourself--you can't license/buy/borrow already existing parts from other companies. Ask yourself this--why don't programmers write everything themselves? Wouldn't it be more efficient to have it all come from the same place? Possibly, but it's far more difficult, and the gains would often be very negligible.

    5. Re:Why not just one chip? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A) the larger your chip is on die, the more chances of there being a defect in your chip (decreasing yeilds) and the fewer chips you get per wafer (decreasing yeilds)

      B) Generic chips are incredibly cheap to manufacture. In the dollars to tens of dollars for most simple circuits (because they are simple, they are small, meaning they get high yeilds per wafer, which means that they are dirt cheap).

      C) Pcb's are very easy to mass produce. You get your board, etch, insert components and wave solder.

    6. Re:Why not just one chip? by catwh0re · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Many reasons for keeping away from a giant mother chip vs chip division by their function:

      1. Lots of proprietary chips from lots of vendors.
      2. You lose greater economies of scale when engineering custom silicon. Instead of buying existing chips.
      3. It's often easier to contain clock speeds and single-ended capacitance within the boundaries of a chip. Extra electronics is required to buffer the effects of clock/capacitance etc from other components. (I.E. Interference.)
      4. If all the chips are together, then you can't upgrade anything in the next model.
      5. Similar to point 4, if there is a fault, you can't flunk or swap out a chip on the assembly.
      6. Various stability, heat and power savings by using a different chip for each function, e.g. h264 decoding will be on a different chip than the GSM functions.

    7. Re:Why not just one chip? by the_doctor_23 · · Score: 1

      Yes you can and it has been done so for years.
      You can license synthesizeable blocks (called IP cores) written in some kind of HDL and combine then to build your ASIC or FPGA just fine.

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    8. Re:Why not just one chip? by Bender_ · · Score: 4, Informative


      Ignore all other replies, they are only half truth.

      The truth is: Different manufacturing processes are required depending on the function of the chips. There are many different types of integrated circuits in a cellphone: Logic (processor), analog parts (Silicon and exotic III-V semiconductors), Memory (NAND flash, NOR flash, DRAM), Sensors (think MEMS). Each of these require a different process flow. Combining those is often extremely expensive to impossible.

      The way it is usually done is to use different circuit techniques to achieve the same functionality in a silicon logic process. However in many situations this is not possible or economical, yet.

    9. Re:Why not just one chip? by Alioth · · Score: 1

      You just can't get some things inside the chip, such as decoupling capacitors (too big), connectors (far too big, and would not be mechanically sound on the chip itself). Most chips need at least a couple of discrete components to work. You need a PCB for those.

      That's not even addressing the issue of cost of making a single ASIC that does everything the iPhone does. Making a PCB to hold a number of ICs would be cheaper.

    10. Re:Why not just one chip? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      I don't think there are any real custom chips in the iPhone. They all looked pretty standard. A couple of them have Apple logos printed on them, but I bet they're off the shelf components other than that.

      Even if you did put everything on one chip you'd still need the PCB for connectors and various support components, capacitors and resistors and such.

    11. Re:Why not just one chip? by imadork · · Score: 1
      (Disclaimer: IAAEEG, but that doesn't mean I know what I'm talking about.)

      One other point (which I haven't seen addressed here yet) is that anytime you do anything with analog or wireless, you're probably going to want a different chip, because (generally speaking, there are always exceptions) all the things in a particular chipmaking process that make digital logic go faster make analog circuits poorer. So, having them be in different chips enables you to use the latest cutting-edge process for your digital chips, and older, more mature processes for your mixed-signal and analog chips.

      Plus, devices that actively transmit RF have to go through a re-certification process every time one of their RF-related bits change. By keeping those components separate from the digital logic, if you upgrade some digital components without touching any of the RF components, you can probably get away with a faster re-certification process.

    12. Re:Why not just one chip? by Mike1024 · · Score: 1

      what's the point of using a PCB these days instead of just putting everything on the same chip? A range of reasons.

      1) Apple is not a microchip design company. Hence they don't have the experienced engineers and expensive computer software needed. But between mac computers, monitors, and the ipod they have plenty of experience with PCB design.

      2) Some components aren't cost-effective to put on a chip. It's not cost effective to put large capacitors on chip as the die area required would be expensive compared to using an external component.

      3) The disassembly shows things like surface acoustic wave filters (where the signal is converted to a compression wave travelling down a quartz crystal). Hard to put on a chip at all, let alone cost effectively.

      4) You would have to license the designs for everything you want on your chip. Granted, that's easy with the ARM processor ($1.84 million and the design is yours) but you also need all your radio electronics (which is pretty high tech stuff nowerdays) which might not be offered for licensing.

      5) Prototyping with discrete components has negligible cost (Hundreds to thousands of dollars) compared to prototyping microchips (millions of dollars).

      6) Different processes. Ever wonder why your PC processor has 4 megabytes of on-die cache and 4 gigabytes of main RAM - why not 4 gigabytes of on-die cache? In short the processor manufacturing process allows more complex, faster designs but costs more per gate. So that 4MB is expensive. RAM costs less per gate by using a cheaper process, making large numbers of gates cost-effective.

      7) Likewise you've got a phone camera, which (though silicon-based) requires a different manufacturing process to the processor (it's light-sensitive and has a bayer filter, after all). And you've got a MEMS accelerometer to detect orientation, but that requires yet another silicon manufacturing process (such as deep reactive ion etching (DRIE)).

      That's all I can think of for now.
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    13. Re:Why not just one chip? by uop · · Score: 1

      Right on the spot, IMHO.
      Would mod you up if I had any points left...

      uop

    14. Re:Why not just one chip? by NanoGradStudent · · Score: 1

      Actually, logic, analog, and memory are all CMOS (or CMOS-ish in the case of Flash) and can all be made on the same silicon production lines. Ditto for certain sensors (cameras, basic sensors like temperature and pressure). Sure, once you get up to silicon MEMS devices, like accelerometers or gyroscopes, it becomes trickier and possibly more expensive, but there really is no fundamental incompatibility. TI and Analog Devices have been able to incorporate MEMS with CMOS bits quite successfully in their respective MEMS devices (though they are the only two to do so commercially, to my knowledge).

      Various companies have tried to integrate all these functions together in System-on-Chip or basic cell-phone on chip ICs, but the real killer has been cost and yield (related to the large areas required to implement, and implement adequately, all these functions). The best examples of these SOCs (albeit in a cut-down form) are the everything-but-sink microcontrollers put out by the likes of ATMEL and Microchip.

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    15. Re:Why not just one chip? by Bender_ · · Score: 1

      Actually, logic, analog, and memory are all CMOS (or CMOS-ish in the case of Flash) and can all be made on the same silicon production lines

      Can be made on the same production line, yes, that is at least partially true. A big difference is however that the process flows will differ. Each of the different circuit types use different transistors (they are all mosfets but with variations in geometry, gox, implants..). Combining all these different transistor types is simple not economical since process complexity will increase significantly.

      There are ways to integrate DRAM or flash into a logic process. However, usually the memory arrays are much less efficient than in a dedicated process.

      TI and Analog Devices have been able to incorporate MEMS with CMOS bits quite successfully in their respective MEMS devices (though they are the only two to do so commercially, to my knowledge).

      TIs DLP devices use the upmost metallization layers only, with a process flow that is similar to a normal CMOS backend. Things are a bit more difficult with accelerometers which are based on polysilicon. Analog devices basically uses a dedicated MEMS process with tacked on analog part. Only very simple circuits are possible in that process. ("simple" as compared to todays average logic circuits)

    16. Re:Why not just one chip? by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1
      There are a few reasons for going multi-chip. Different metalisation technologies are used for different chips. The way you build an RF chip is different to how you'd build a CPU, for instance.

      Multiple chips also allow you to develop the chips seperately. Trying to shoehorn everything into one chip makes it very hard to build a product. Also, many of the functions (eg. the flash) are supplied by chip vendors. Apple will only be building chips that are critical to making the phone work. It is far cheaper to just buy in chips from elsewhere.

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    17. Re:Why not just one chip? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm only a 2nd year ECE-CE student but i'l state the reasons i see for using a PCB.
      (warning: i have not taken the ASIC design course yet)

      simple answer. It makes it easier/fesable.

      When you use various different components to do diferent things it's easier to design and test the darn thing.
      It's like assembling something with legos. Every now and then you can custom cut a piece but it's easier if you use pre esisting tested functional building blocks. Another problem i see is that the design of these chips can be consittered trade secrets. A company who manufactures some component is probubly not going to give you the hardware equivelent of "source code" so you can integrate it into your own chip.

      Leaving the digital realm and looking at the analog and power aspect. Capacitors, Resistors, and Inductors unlike Transistors are impracticle if not impossible to put into an ASIC.

      I'm probubly going tot hink up of several other reasons after i submit this. oh whell...

  16. This phone is a 2 HAND device vs 1 HAND device by v(*_*)vvvv · · Score: 0, Troll

    Q. I was wondering why there haven't been any touch screen phones until now. It seems simple enough, and Apple makes it look like it is the future of phones.

    A. YOU CANNOT USE THE IPHONE WITH ONE HAND!!! Because you need to be able to "point" and "move your finger" to send commands to the device, it is much harder to one-hand it than any other phone which pretty much are one hand devices. Many phones have a full keyboard, and they require 2 hands also, but most of them also have a 1 hand mode.

    1. Re:This phone is a 2 HAND device vs 1 HAND device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't matter... at least if you don't want to use it while driving or for watching porn.

    2. Re:This phone is a 2 HAND device vs 1 HAND device by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
      I am ignoring every review at this point. Even "we had the phone for 2 weeks" reviews.

      I want to know how it performs in the real world when it really matters. When you need to look up some information in a big hurry for your job. When you need to discretely text someone. When you need to find a place on maps. When you realise that you've been listening to music for too long and your phone is dying.

    3. Re:This phone is a 2 HAND device vs 1 HAND device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll wager that you live in the US. There have been plenty of touchscreen phones up until now. The Sony Ericsson P800, for example, was released back in 2002.

    4. Re:This phone is a 2 HAND device vs 1 HAND device by catwh0re · · Score: 4, Informative
      All phone functions can be carried out with one hand. (similar to how you handle an ipod with one hand.)

      More advanced functions such as web browsing and browsing email are far easier with two hands (but if you can be bothered stretching your thumb around, then again you can do it one handed.)

      It's silly to suggest that the iPhone is the only phone that benefits from two hands. (E.g. any phone that uses a stylus requires two hands on the go.) Since many phones do already require two hands to operate them, having a multi-touch display represents better efficiency of the hands (that is, it should speed you along a little bit, touch typing and gesture short cuts are good examples of this.)

    5. Re:This phone is a 2 HAND device vs 1 HAND device by v(*_*)vvvv · · Score: 1

      no no... i mean touch screen ONLY phones. Even sony recognized the importance of a keypad on this one.

      The iphone boils down to being a great touch screen OS for phones. I expect the iPhone2 to be more like this:
      http://www.casio.co.jp/release/2006/images/w41ca/t heme_S.jpg
      (opens and folds)

      I have this phone for when I go back to Japan. It is not a touch screen (don't need it to be), but if it had the iPhone interface as a UI mode, that would be a true advancement. But if I had to turn in the keypad to get it, forget it.

      I am still disappointed at how WOWed people get by features that have been standard in most other markets for years. Like wireless broadband. Which in japan is faster than most DSL and cable connections in the states.

    6. Re:This phone is a 2 HAND device vs 1 HAND device by v(*_*)vvvv · · Score: 1

      When driving in LA sometimes it feels like 99 out of 100 people have a cell phone in one hand. So i guess the iPhone won't catch on in LA... strike that. It will catch on and so will more accidents.

    7. Re:This phone is a 2 HAND device vs 1 HAND device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TWO HANDS? That sort of limits the market for iPhone porn.

    8. Re:This phone is a 2 HAND device vs 1 HAND device by Weaps · · Score: 1
      Good, that'll keep down the number of people using it while driving. Or at least darwinize out people who would try to use it while driving.

      (Oooh, a picture! I'll just pinch it down and OH SHIT A TELEPHONE PO-[*static*])

    9. Re:This phone is a 2 HAND device vs 1 HAND device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gotta love the people that consider themselves typists because they can use two thumbs.

    10. Re:This phone is a 2 HAND device vs 1 HAND device by filterban · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Q: Name one smartphone that can effectively be used with one hand.

      A: You can't. They all have this same characteristic - whether it's a stylus (Treo) or a Crackberry, they all require two hands for effective operation.

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    11. Re:This phone is a 2 HAND device vs 1 HAND device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an iPhone. I can do pinching with my middle and index finger of the same hand while holding. A lot of the interface can be used with single finger tapping. It isn't like using a single finger on a woman... oh wait... you wouldn't get what I am talking about.

    12. Re:This phone is a 2 HAND device vs 1 HAND device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nokia N95?

    13. Re:This phone is a 2 HAND device vs 1 HAND device by UtucXul · · Score: 1

      A: You can't. They all have this same characteristic - whether it's a stylus (Treo) or a Crackberry, they all require two hands for effective operation.
      Actually, the Motorola Q is pretty easy to use with one hand. And I imagine any other non-touchscreen windows mobile phone would be similar.
      That being said, Windows Mobile 5 is a flaky piece of crap (and this is coming from someone who really likes their Q). But it is a flaky piece of crap that you can easily use with one hand.
    14. Re:This phone is a 2 HAND device vs 1 HAND device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the old G1000 phones were touchscreen. Actually, windows version of the ipod (mp3 player, web browsing, etc) Except for the vendor lock in to itunes, nothing really new here.

    15. Re:This phone is a 2 HAND device vs 1 HAND device by kwpulliam · · Score: 1

      The SCH-i730 from Samsung / Verizon.

      I will often go up to 2 weeks without using the stylus.

      I receive all communication one handed. (Answer Calls, Read Emails, Read Websites)

      I send most information one handed. (Place Calls)

      I 'can' send all information one handed. (Place Calls, Send Emails/SMS, Type Slashdot Comments)
      I usually send all Text information two handed. (Send Emails/SMS, Type Slashdot Comments, etc)

      I usually store all information two handed. (Update Contacts)

      I access all my stored media one handed. (Read Ebooks, Play Music, Watch Video).

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      I think I can safely say that for receiving and using information (including media), this is a one handed device. For creating and sending information it can be used as a one handed device, but it can be used faster (two thumbs) as a two handed device.

    16. Re:This phone is a 2 HAND device vs 1 HAND device by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 1

      A: You can't. They all have this same characteristic - whether it's a stylus (Treo) or a Crackberry, they all require two hands for effective operation.

      If you had said Windows Mobile, you might have retained credibility. But I think you're confusing "writing text" with "effective operation". I don't even believe you've ever actually used a Treo or BlackBerry.

    17. Re:This phone is a 2 HAND device vs 1 HAND device by SoulRider · · Score: 1

      Oh bummer, no porn on my iPhone then?

    18. Re:This phone is a 2 HAND device vs 1 HAND device by soft_guy · · Score: 2, Informative

      It depends on what you are trying to do. I bought two iPhones last night - one for me and one for my daughter. I am typing this reply on the iPhone right now.

      I can easily call someone with one hand (using my thumb to touch the display). I am using two hands to type this message though. Also, the software keyboard on the iPhone is easier in my opinion to type on than the keyboard on my old Treo 600.

      I'm not saying the device is perfect, but it does live up to the hype.

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    19. Re:This phone is a 2 HAND device vs 1 HAND device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tmobile Dash. I text with one hand all the time.

    20. Re:This phone is a 2 HAND device vs 1 HAND device by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      Pretty much all of that is still true with iPhone.

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  17. Uses an ARM Jazelle processor by Sam+Haine+'95 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I see the iPhone uses a 667 MHz ARM processor that's able to execute Java bitecode directly. I wonder what Java performance is like on this thing?

    1. Re:Uses an ARM Jazelle processor by wootest · · Score: 1

      Nonexistant, since it's not supported.

      I'm hoping Apple will open up the iPhone to third parties sooner or later, but being able to run existing Java midlets is low on their list, and probably for good reason. That's a 160dpi display. You want to aim for a 9-pixels-high checkbox using your finger on that sort of screen? It's not like Java's well-positioned for resolution independence either.

      Java apps would stick out like a sore thumb, would work entirely differently and wouldn't actually be able to take advantage of the features people are buying iPhones for. My guess is that they're working on a native SDK for later on.

    2. Re:Uses an ARM Jazelle processor by NanoGradStudent · · Score: 1

      Beastly? (Sorry, I couldn't resist)

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  18. Also just hours after launch ... by jc42 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I got my first "Congratulations, you have won new iPhone" phishing message, complete with link (to http://203.121.78.200/...) to click on and give them all my personal contact info.

    This is indeed an opportunity for all kinds of modern enterpreneurs.

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    1. Re:Also just hours after launch ... by Nimey · · Score: 1

      How long until we start getting idiots with "free iphone" lines in their sigs or web links?

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    2. Re:Also just hours after launch ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awesome, thanks for the free iPhone!

    3. Re:Also just hours after launch ... by msormune · · Score: 1

      Wow, I just had mine. Not from email, but you just posted it to Slashdot, and thanks to the kind people giving it +5 Funny, it actually got through! Nice going!

    4. Re:Also just hours after launch ... by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Nevermind 3rd parties, I got a spam about the iPhone direct from Apple themselves! (No I haven't ever signed up to their list.)

  19. What did slashot do-stories that BURN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Back to Slashdot - you realize you made the problem worse by clicking on and replying to this story? If the editors are looking at what types of stories lead to more clicks, you've just "voted"! :)"

    Then we'd have more creation vs evolution stories. Anything having to do with religion pushes a hot button and generates the most comments ever.

  20. NEO1973 by Tony · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sounds like you want a FIC NEO1973. According to Sean Moss-Pultz in his most recent announcement, the consumer model due in Q4 this year will include wifi.

    It's almost fully open. As in, everything is open except the AGPS daemon, which you don't need for GPS, just AGPS.

    And it'll only be $450, for the phone itself. No contracts required.

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    1. Re:NEO1973 by FireFury03 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Sounds like you want a FIC NEO1973.

      I'm planning to buy an OpenMoko phone in the future, but the Neo1973 is missing some important features - 3G (releasing a smartphone without 3G is crazy), a hard keypad (dialling with no tactile feedback isn't great) and the screen is rather small. So I'm holding out for a revision of the Neo in the hope that they add some of these features. Something a similar form-factor to the iPhone but with a keypad (maybe a flip-down thing like the SE P900/P910 or a slide out keypad) would be great.

      As for the price tag, the $450 is for the "basic" version - the "advanced" one is going to be $600, although I've not actually been able to find a description of the differences between these versions (but whichever you get, it's still a much better price than the iPhone since it's not on a contract).

    2. Re:NEO1973 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (but whichever you get, it's still a much better price than the iPhone since it's not on a contract)

      Uh, you don't have to get a contract with the iPhone. In fact, you can't -- you just buy it at the store and take it home, no contract involved.

      The only catch is that it's locked with Cingular, which means that if you don't already have a plan with them, you'll have to buy one. If you do, though, you can switch right over; I know at least one guy who did so.

    3. Re:NEO1973 by adrianmonk · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you want a FIC NEO1973. According to Sean Moss-Pultz in his most recent announcement, the consumer model due in Q4 this year will include wifi.

      "NEO1973"? What is that, a character from crossover fan fiction between "The Matrix" and "THX 1138" or something?

    4. Re:NEO1973 by andyfrommk · · Score: 1

      As for the price tag, the $450 is for the "basic" version - the "advanced" one is going to be $600

      according to the official site, from were you will be able to order the FIC Neo 1973 from come 9th July

      We're going to sell the Neo Base for $300. The Neo Advanced will be $450.
    5. Re:NEO1973 by KZigurs · · Score: 1

      Could you be more specific - "switch over"?
      Existing At&T simcard worked just fine w/o all itunes crap?

    6. Re:NEO1973 by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      according to the official site, from were you will be able to order the FIC Neo 1973 from come 9th July

      We're going to sell the Neo Base for $300. The Neo Advanced will be $450. From the same page:

      We will sell this device through multiple channels. Direct from openmoko.com, the price will be $450 for the Neo Base and $600 for Neo Advanced. Confusing huh? Having read that page, it looks like the Advanced package is just the Base but with a few off-the-shelf extras chucked in (SD cards, etc).
    7. Re:NEO1973 by andyfrommk · · Score: 1

      Confusing huh? Having read that page, it looks like the Advanced package is just the Base but with a few off-the-shelf extras chucked in (SD cards, etc).
      $300 base & $450 advanced will be for the phase 1 developer edition (GTA01 mainboard),$450 base and $600 advanced will be for the phase 1.5 developer/2.0 mass market device (GTA02 mainboard) which will have WiFi, more ram and a faster processor. The advanced package will also incude a debug board which people are using to debug other devices because it connects through the standard JTAG.
  21. ifixit has a much better takeapart... by dreemkill · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://stream.ifixit.com/

    they did it some time yesterday, about an hour after it came out i think.

    and by the looks of it, they didn't destroy it.

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    dreemkill.
    1. Re:ifixit has a much better takeapart... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They didn't show how they took it apart, though. If they manage to take it apart without destroying the case and the housing like Think Secret did, they could have showed others interested in opening it up how to do it. For example, TS pried open the metal case but then realized the metal case could be slid open.

    2. Re:ifixit has a much better takeapart... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After further examination, we found a way to open the logic board without completely destroying it like Think Secret did.
      LOL, we did a better job wasting $600 than some other website did, nyah nyah!
  22. 50 reasons the iPhone sucks by kuactet · · Score: 1, Funny

    1. In keeping with Apple's design philosophy, the iPhone has only one button built into its chassis. The rest are virtual.

    2. That button is the number 6.

    3. It comes with an on-screen keyboard that is too small for all but children to operate.

    4. Steve Jobs has been happily married to Bill Gates for the last ten years. The supposed rivalry between their companies is a marketing ploy.

    5. It offers only 8GB of memory; the average Internet user's hard disk contains almost twice that in celebrity porn.

    6. The built-in battery is non-rechargeable and non-removable. Once dead, it will have to be sent back to Apple to be replaced.

    7. The average battery life (idle): 17 hours.

    8. The average battery life (running iTunes): 68 minutes.

    9. It will only run Apple's OS X, which science has proven to be the worst operating system ever.

    10. The built-in web browser supports neither Flash nor Java.

    11. The built-in spellcheck and auto-complete only understands American English.

    12. The user cannot add new ringtones. Rather, he must select from a list of Steve Jobs quotes.

    13. The cellular internet connection runs at a paltry 16kbps. At that speed, it's faster to write your own Internet.

    14. To make it 'secure,' Apple is not allowing third-party developers to create programs for the iPhone. No, you will take what Apple gives you, and <i>you will like it</i>. I guess Apple learned its design strategies from <b>Joseph Stalin</b>.

    15. Stephen Hawking will not be buying one.

    16. Unless you also buy a two-year contract with AT&T, you have just bought a very expensive paperweight.

    17. In fact, it is impossible to make the iPhone run on any network but AT&T's.

    18. Some reviewers have commented that the iPhone is a sexy machine. Clearly, they have never felt a woman.

    19. It is assembled in Taiwanese sweatshops while Apple pockets a 50% markup.

    20. Did I mention that Apple is evil?

    21. Apple has cut numerous features in order to make the release, including the ability to <i>make phone calls</i>.

    22. Also crippled is the virtual keyboard, which lacks both punctuation and capitalization. good job apple way to spread decoherence in the english language lol

    23. Early voice recognition was bugged to the point of being unusable: it would misdial all numbers as 1-900-SEXCHAT. The capability has been removed entirely, presumably following complaints.

    24. Apple has announced that additional features may be added after release. Thank you, guys, for selling us a product that even you admit isn't finished. Thank you straight to Hell.

    25. Besides, how are we supposed to get these updates without an <b>internet connection</b>?

    26. Following the Apple pattern, the iPhone is incompatible with <b>Linux</b>.

    27. Following the Apple pattern, the iPhone has no games. At all.

    28. The screen is 320x480 pixels, a resolution beaten by the Apple II in the <b>1970's</b>.

    29. To battle what they perceive as amorality, Apple has removed the 'vibrate' capability.

    30. The iPhone costs <b>$600</b>. For that amount, you could save over 200 African families from malaria.

    31. You could also buy a separate PDA and dedicated cell phone.

    32. Or, if you <i>have to</i> have OS X, an older Apple laptop. And a dedicated cell phone.

    33. Let me just say it again: 200 families.

    34. It is a well-known fact that hand size is correlated with penile length. Keep this in mind when you want to buy a 3.5 inch phone.

    35. All of the promotional videos (including the vaunted feature walkthrough) are <b>computer generated</b>.

    36. Chris Tucker was originally set to play the Mac in Apple's TV ads. He was only replaced when Steve Jobs insisted on somebody "whiter."

    37. Apple's design once again relies heavily on white with blue and gold tr

    1. Re:50 reasons the iPhone sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The screen is 320x480 pixels, a resolution beaten by the Apple II in the <b>1970's</b>.

      Dumbass. The Apple II's hi-res mode was 280x192.

      And didn't anyone ever tell you to preview your HTML-formatted posts??

    2. Re:50 reasons the iPhone sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best. Troll. EVER.

    3. Re:50 reasons the iPhone sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      D'oh! I know, I know... IHBT, IHL, HAND.

      Serves me right for not reading the whole post, that Apple II bit just jumped out at me and screamed WRONG!!

    4. Re:50 reasons the iPhone sucks by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      Dumbass. The Apple II's hi-res mode was 280x192.

      Thank you for highlighting the very only factual innacuracy in this whole post.

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  23. Why is everyone addicted to GPS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see this always listed as a mark against the iPhone, but I haven't once seen an explanation for it. The only purpose I see for GPS is turn-by-turn driving directions. Here are a few reasons why I don't think this is useful in the iPhone:

    * only used in car, iPhone is a device for portable use, dedicated in-car GPS is more appropriate
    * Google MAPs can supply directions, just not turn-by-turn
    * extra hardware/cost/power required

    And honestly, I think Steve's argument against 3G is a solid one. He claims it's a power hog compared to 2.5G. This means you get longer battery life/smaller device footprint for battery. I'd much rather have a longer battery life or smaller device than 3G speeds. In any case, this issue seems to be more with the 3G chipset manufacturers than Apple, but could be a legitimate reason to wait.

    Third party software definitely needs to be addressed better, though.

    -Huck

    1. Re:Why is everyone addicted to GPS? by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

      The GPS functionality is used to augment location by cell tower in case of 911 calls.

    2. Re:Why is everyone addicted to GPS? by confused+one · · Score: 1

      Which they started including because too many (read as most) people are disoriented and act confused after a major accident (a "feature" of shock). They have the wherewithall to find their cell phone and dial 911; but, can NOT tell the operator where they are. Many communities can also use cell tower triangulation if the phone doesn't have built in GPS.

    3. Re:Why is everyone addicted to GPS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you can do some cool things like on my upcoming vacation, I can use something like reperion to allow my friends and family to track me live on Google Earth and I can submit pictures or audio while I am traveling and all they have to do is click on the Google earth pointer on the location where I took said photos or audio to see or hear them.

      IF my friends and family can't afford to go on vacation with me, maybe I can still take them in a way :)

  24. Esthetics by smurfsurf · · Score: 1

    Most likely Apple has made the battery non-replacable because they have better uses for the space required for a replacable battery I would rather say iPod and iPhone batteries are non-replacable because they could not do it in a way that still satisfied Steve Jobs' esthetic demands. The Palm V is another device where looks were more important.
  25. Greenphone by root_42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And while we're at it: Trolltech also sells the Greenphone, a Linux-based phone running Qtopia. This is not really for end-users, but meant as a development platform for Qtopia applications. I find it very neat. Smaller screen than iPhone and the NEO, but still very nice! Have a look at:

      http://trolltech.com/products/qtopia/greenphone

    And yes, the software is GPL'ed when you buy the community edition of the phone.

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  26. Non-replaceable batteries are Greener by Jeremy_Bee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More planned obsolescence. Pity. I'd like to see Apple go a little greener. A non-user replaceable battery limits the life of a device substantially. The Apple strategy with non-replaceable batteries could actually be considered the greener option.

    I still have a pile of the various PDA's and cell phones I have had over the years. Most used undersized batteries that reduced the initial cost of the unit (even though most cost about the same as today's iPhone), but also didn't last. This required me to purchase new batteries, extra batteries, and bigger, add-on batteries and battery packs. All of these batteries are in the same pile, waiting for me to find appropriate green disposal (some day).

    I would argue that most people eventually just chuck these things away and that they end up in a landfill somewhere. Also the fact that the batteries are generally crap means that the average user goes through more batteries for a non-Apple "replaceable battery" product than they do for the Apple product.

    The fact that Apple offers a low-cost, no-hassle, battery replacement option means that the majority of iPod and now iPhone), battery replacements happen through Apple instead of the consumer, and thus the batteries all get properly recycled instead of just being dumped. The main cause of battery pollution from iPods for instance is whatever portion of the populace that does not return them to Apple for replacement or recycling and just chucks the item away when it's dead. That is the consumer's fault, not Apple's.

    The only thing that could be done better is that Apple could take back the old iPods so as to alleviate even the worst acts of the consumers of their products. They already do this in a limited way and have announced recently a goal of doing a take-back on every product they make.

    How much more green could they possibly be right now?

    1. Re:Non-replaceable batteries are Greener by srvivn21 · · Score: 1

      I still have a pile of the various PDA's and cell phones I have had over the years. ... All of these batteries are in the same pile, waiting for me to find appropriate green disposal (some day). Assuming you live in the United States, check out the Electronic Industries Alliance page. Excellent resource for finding electronics disposal sites (many free).
  27. How to trash your iPod (or, I assume, iPhone) by argent · · Score: 1

    All phone functions can be carried out with one hand. (similar to how you handle an ipod with one hand.)

    How to trash your iPod:

    1. Try to use it one-handed.
    2. Drop it.

    BTDTGT violent argument with extended warranty customer support. I don't blame Apple for the customer support problem, but I'm never buying ANYTHING from Microcenter again.

    Not to mention the other problem with BOTH the iPod and the iPhone: you can't control either without actually holding them where you can see them, and look at them while you're controlling them. Which is why I upgraded to the iPod Shuffle with its tactile feedback and controls that don't change meaning as you use them. I like being able to tap "next" when I hit a song that's a bit too energetic for what I'm doing. I don't like fumbling the 'pod out, switching off the lock, and checking to make sure that I'm going to hit "next" instead of something else, and remembering to switch it back on again. Yes, I tried the iPod wired remote... and returned it the next day.

    Anyone remember that scene in the Superman movie where Clark looks for a phone booth, sees one of the modern "pods", shakes his head, and finds another place to change? I'm waiting for a scene where someone's been caught by the baddies and manages the "work you cellphone out of your pocket so you can dial for help" trick... but it's an iPhone, and his hands are tied behind his back...

    1. Re:How to trash your iPod (or, I assume, iPhone) by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      BTDTGT

      What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

      checking to make sure that I'm going to hit "next" instead of something else

      I've never had that problem.

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    2. Re:How to trash your iPod (or, I assume, iPhone) by argent · · Score: 1

      What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

      Been There Done That Got The...

      I've never had that problem.

      I have. Which is why my daughter ended up with my iPod and I bought an iPod shuffle.

      There is a distressing tendency for people who are enamored of a company's products to dismiss any criticism based on a problem that they haven't encountered with a comment like "I've never had that problem".

      This argument doesn't serve to convince the person they're communicating it to: the message received is either "you're lying" or "you're incompetent". Even if the latter is true, it's not a useful argument to make.

      You might consider that you simply don't use the device the same way, and so don't run into the problem. You might consider that you've subconsciously avoided doing something that triggers it. You might simply be more like Steve Jobs than I am in the way you approach devices. At least consider that the corollary of "I haven't noticed it" is not "it doesn't happen".

  28. ARGH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Discreet = shy, discrete = individual. Learn it, use it, live it.

    1. Re:ARGH! by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 1

      LOL... yeah, I noticed it after I hit submit :) I was just typing faster than my brain was keeping up this morning.

      Must drink more coffee before posting...

  29. 3G version launch for UK on Monday by nighty5 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "A new 3G (European) version of the iPhone will be launched Monday in the UK by Apple - in a join promotion with Vodafone, T-Mobile of Germany, and Carphone Warehouse. It should answer the disappointment with the US version of the iPhone which has been widely slammed for its poor performance as a phone."

    http://www.newswireless.net/index.cfm/article/3466

    If this is indeed true, it will certainly be what the market needs. I am surprised the US market would tolerate paying so much for a 2G phone.

    Sounds like the US market is behind the 8 ball, with a couple of years to wait for a 3G - time will be indeed telling.

    1. Re:3G version launch for UK on Monday by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 1

      Because our coverage sucks in America. Check the maps. No idea what coverage is like in Europe.

    2. Re:3G version launch for UK on Monday by recoiledsnake · · Score: 1

      YOU check the maps. There's 3G on most locations in the US, courtesy of Verizon and Sprint. Just not on AT&T and Tmobile.

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    3. Re:3G version launch for UK on Monday by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 1

      Verizon? Bwa haa haa haa haaaaa. Excuse me. AAAAhhh haa haa haaaa haaaaaa!

      Google Verizon and "lawsuits". Great customer satisfaction there.

    4. Re:3G version launch for UK on Monday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If by "most locations" you mean "around major cities." We must be looking at different maps, because I see vast tracts of lands in the US that do not get broadband service from Sprint. Voice, yes, but not 3G.

  30. It's not a Smartphone, really, but OK... by argent · · Score: 1

    Q: Name one smartphone that can effectively be used with one hand.

    I can name three that could be effectively used as a phone without even looking at them, let alone one-handed.

    Samsung PdQ or PdQ2. When the cover (that incidentally protects the screen) was closed, you got a normal cellphone touchpad and display. You could also control it one-handed.

    Microsoft's "Stinger" prototype also had a standard touch pad with tactile feedback.

    The high end Nokia smartphones with their clamshell design and keypad on the outside of the clamshell.

    I'm sure there's more examples.

    But, really, the iPhone isn't a smartphone in the usual sense of "smart = programmable". It has no native API, you can't program it. It's a well designed (I don't like the design, but that doesn't mean it's not well designed for its target market, it just means I'm not in that market) high-end cellphone with a lot of built-in Internet apps, but it's no more a smartphone than my cheap Nokia is.

    Neither is a Blackberry, by the way.

  31. Opposite here by udippel · · Score: 1

    It's been since the early 90s the last time I saw a phone whose useful life did outlast its battery

    Recently I put the third battery into my Motorola T190. The official service outlet in this country (not US) informed me last year, that there were no more batteries available for this 5-year old (cheapo) phone. It still does very much what I expect a hand phone to do; so I was angry with Motorola.
    Luckily I found a stockist with an original battery; and that gave it a new 'useful life'.

    1. Re:Opposite here by rbanffy · · Score: 1

      OK. I should correct myself.

      I never saw a _smartphone_ that survived its battery. Long before the battery dies, the phone is either destroyed or so obsolete it can no longer do its job. I am considering replacing my E62 with a E61i because of the wi-fi connectivity and built-in camera.

      And those simple phones are indestructible. 2 phones before the P800, I had a Nokia 2280. I still have it to test applications against minimal WAP browsers.

      But the battery is still giving two days with a single charge. I wonder if it will outlive me.

  32. it's already been tested for this. by catwh0re · · Score: 1
    a few tech sites have been giving it "stress testing" i.e dropping it (on carpet, flooring and cement), trying to scratch it with common household items (keys etc) It's holding up pretty well, better than most glass-screen devices. (i.e superficial scratches on the metal exterior.)

    As for using the iphone while performing the running of the bulls.. well that's a test I don't think the iphone would pass.

    That and Apple is a company that waged a lot by entering the mobile handset market.. I think the obvious problems, such as dropping and scratching, were already thought about and prepared for. (Apple execs often answered interviewers who asked this question by throwing the devices about or onto the floor and then showing them unharmed.)

    1. Re:it's already been tested for this. by argent · · Score: 1

      OK, let's try this again.

      "I don't want a device that's easy to drop while using it one-handed. I'm concerned about damaging it."

      While "it's really rugged" is a great response for the second part, it's kind of weak for the first.

      OK, how about I put it this way?

      "I don't want to drop any device while using it one-handed. I'm concerned about damaging it, losing it, being delayed by having to go back and get it, having it stolen before I can retrieve it, having it fall into moving equipment, be kicked out the door by a near-sighted insurance salesman from Topeka and off a balcony where it falls 14 stories onto a gravel path and bounces into a cement mixer, or just plain scratched and marred."

      Devices that do not provide tactile feedback and have controls that are activated by casual contact are harder to use one-handed than devices that do. They are also harder to use by feel. This is not an easy problem to solve. I'm not convinced that it's possible even in principle to solve it. I understand that not everyone is concerned about it, but that doesn't mean it's not a problem.

  33. iPhone Samsung S3C6400 vs Nokia N95 OMAP 2040 CPUs by S3D · · Score: 1

    Interesting, that iPhone CPU approach is very different from Nokia flagship smartphone.
    Apple went for general-purpose powerhouse 533/667MHz CPU with 100Mb integrated RAM.
    Nokia N95 is OMAP 2420 330Mhz with minuscule 20Mb RAM.
    However S3C6400 have not many bell and whistles - only noticable thing is 2D/video accelerator.
    OMAP 2420 have whole can of multimedia goods: 3D accelerator, 2D/image/video accelerator, digital signal processor, floating point unit(!).
    I don't see how iPhone with twice as fast CPU and five time more RAM can have more battery life than N95, and twice at that. Very tricky power management?
    Seems for gaming CPU-wise N95 should beat iPhone hands down: FPU+3D accelerator would make it viable gaming platform, if not for other reasons like price, small screen, digital signing and general lack of interest in mobile gaming. However by the choice of the CPU it seems to me iPhone is not intended for gaming at all.

  34. Touch screen display by MahariBalzitch · · Score: 0
    I haven't seen anyone yet comment on the touch screen display. Considering almost all functions are done using the touch screen (using your finger and not a stylus), I would certainly like to see the displays condition after about a years worth of use.

    1. Re:Touch screen display by Rytr23 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The touch screen works like a charm, the interface is really fabulous and functional.. and I would think that after a year it will still be going strong.. unless you have fingers made of stone flesh.. I avoided touchscreens after seeing the terrible wear on my treo's touchscreen years ago after relatively light stylus usage.. Then again, I cannot attest to the long term viability of capacitive touchscreens.. Anyone know about them? Do they "lose" sensitivity after use/time?

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    2. Re:Touch screen display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see why it would lose sensitivity at all, seeing as how there's nothing to wear out. Trackpads are capacitive and they don't lose sensitivity over time.

  35. Wierd how they dont know what the samsung part is by JimboFBX · · Score: 0

    the samsung part visible on that final photo, the K9HbG08U1m, is 4 gigabyte nand flash. For some reason I've seen several people take apart the iphone and call it a graphics processor or something.

  36. It does VC-1? Cool by benwaggoner · · Score: 1

    Looks like the Samsung chip has a VC-1 deocder as well. That means it'd be possible to get WMv playback on this baby. Maybe Silverlight as well.

    Cool!

    1. Re:It does VC-1? Cool by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 1

      Keep dreaming; Apple is well-known for disabling functionality in components that they use.

    2. Re:It does VC-1? Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like the Samsung chip has a VC-1 deocder as well.

      It has a 400MHz ARM11, a decoder capable of MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4 ASP, divx 3.11, 4.x and 5.1 and a separate H.264 decoder (level 3, baseline profile).

  37. One does not imply the other by StarKruzr · · Score: 1

    "In fact, it's running a trimmed down OS X."

    True!

    "Newsflash - the iPhone is a computer."

    The iPhone is a computer in the same sense as a RAZR is a computer. Actually, in possibly LESS of a sense than a RAZR is a computer.

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  38. Re:iPhone Samsung S3C6400 vs Nokia N95 OMAP 2040 C by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 1

    It probably stems from their choice of OS:

    Mac OS X. They already have scads of ARM experience (every iPod is an ARM CPU), and they already have a multi-platform OS (68k, PowerPC, x86), so it probably made a lot of sense to do what they already do and just port OS X to an ARM.

    If they want to game, they'll just take advantage of the CPU; the Nintendo DS, after all, only has two ARMs at 67MHz and 33MHz without dedicated 3d or floating point hardware, and you see how successful that is right?

  39. This really isn't THAT big a deal by StarKruzr · · Score: 1

    iPhone battery replacement = $COST_OF_BATTERY + hour of labor from an Apple-certified Service Provider like Small Dog Electronics.

    Or, for you and I, $COST_OF_BATTERY and about 15 minutes with a soldering iron. :)

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  40. I think you're like me by StarKruzr · · Score: 1

    if I'm not mistaken, you want an OS X handheld, which the iPhone COULD be with possibly a few lines of code and an SDK, but isn't.

    Also, the lack of 3G IS some serious weaksauce. I don't really mind so much because I refuse to shell out for a data plan in any case, but I can see how others would.

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    +++ATH0
    1. Re:I think you're like me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but they wanted decent battery life. people that I know who have 3G capable phones will turn off that feature if they want the phone to last more than a couple hours on a charge.

    2. Re:I think you're like me by SageMusings · · Score: 1

      Weaksauce?

      Is that you Shkapsky?

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  41. Is soldering really necessary? by fredmosby · · Score: 1

    It seems like you just cut the wires and splice in a new battery.

    1. Re:Is soldering really necessary? by NeilTheStupidHead · · Score: 1

      It seems like you just cut the wires and splice in a new battery. Go turn in your geek card. Better yet, go explain your plan to an electrician or electronics technician and watch them have a heart attack.
      But seriously, splices are the worst possible idea in any situation: they are the worst electrical and physical connection you could make. Soldering takes so little time and looks so much better.
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    2. Re:Is soldering really necessary? by morgue-ann · · Score: 1

      splices are the worst possible idea in any situation: they are the worst electrical and physical connection you could make. Soldering takes so little time and looks so much better.

      I used to believe that, but it turns out that splices using crimping connectors can be better physically because solder running up a stranded wire makes it more brittle. Solder covers the joint to prevent corrosion, but some crimps mechanically cut through surface grunk (possibly better than the cleaning effect of flux) and may have enough force to keep the metals pressed together & keep gasses out. The phone wire connectors that have goop inside that seals around the crimp probably do even better than that.

    3. Re:Is soldering really necessary? by SageMusings · · Score: 1

      Splices, especially crimp-connectors can cause hot spots, voltage drops, impedance mis-match...

      It's very instructive to use a time-domain reflectometer to see just how electrically bad a splice can get. Of course less-demanding applications will get by just fine. I am just looking at the situation from a purists standpoint.

      BTW, I own an iPod mini. Yes, the battery seriously needs replacing at this point in its life but there is no way I am going to go through the hassle of replacing it. That really helped me decide against any more Apple iPods for a while.

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    4. Re:Is soldering really necessary? by NeilTheStupidHead · · Score: 1

      Working in a marine environment, I would be hung out to dry for using crimps. Or standard procedure is to solder a connection and heat shrink it with a inch overlap on each end (where possible).

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  42. This is not a Mac. by StarKruzr · · Score: 1

    Nor do we have any guarantee that it was designed by anyone on the Mac design team.

    Just thought I'd point that out.

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    1. Re:This is not a Mac. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it is an ipod, and the iPod is the best music player I have ever owned. More reliable than a walkman, an Aiwa tape or CD player, or a Nomad. The battery is rechargeable, which mean that I must remember to charge it every couple days, but also means I am not throwing away 100 batteries a year.

  43. For the curious... (SAR rating) by saldate · · Score: 1

    For those curious, the SAR rating on the iPhone appears to generally lie on the lower end of the spectrum. See pages 29-30 of this FCC test report: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retr ieve.cgi?attachment_id=766946&native_or_pdf=pdf [PDF]

  44. Re:iPhone Samsung S3C6400 vs Nokia N95 OMAP 2040 C by JonyEpsilon · · Score: 1

    I don't see how iPhone with twice as fast CPU and five time more RAM can have more battery life than N95, and twice at that. Very tricky power management?

    Well, not having GPS and 3G to suck the battery dry probably helps. I think the battery is bigger too.

  45. Best job... by sachu · · Score: 0

    I think these guys have done the best job so far disassembling iPhone.... http://stream.ifixit.com/

  46. wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    americans are so fucking disgusting.

  47. True, but there's Moore by dtmos · · Score: 1

    The other half of the story is that, even if one considers just circuits that can be made in a single process, there is an economically optimum number of transistors that can be placed on one chip. If you go back and read Gordon Moore's original "Moore's Law" paper, you'll find that that's exactly what it says (despite all the other stuff you hear). If you put too few transistors on a chip (so that the chip area is too small), the number of chips you make per wafer goes up, and your testing, packaging and handling costs go up. If you put too many transistors on a chip (so that the chip area is too large), the number of fully-functioning chips you get per wafer (your yield) goes down, and your sales revenue falls. (Moore's Law is the observation that this economically optimum number increases over time as chipmaking technology improves.)

    So even if you consider just one type of chip function, logic, putting all of the functions on one chip is likely to be past the economically optimum size, and therefore too expensive (even for Apple!).

    Additionally, the manufacturing numbers for the iPhone, while (presumably) large by consumer electronic standards, are still very small by semiconductor standards. Most semi companies don't get interested in an ASIC (custom) design unless unit sales larger than 10 million units per year are mentioned, in order to recover their design costs. Smaller volumes typically require the payment of upfront NRE (Non-Recurring Engineering) fees.

    1. Re:True, but there's Moore by truesaer · · Score: 1

      Process technology, die size, blah blah blah....you're all right but also getting way over complicated.

      Its on a PCB with discrete parts because its cheaper to buy mass producted commoditized parts than to design everything from scratch. Why would apple want to design a bluetooth IC? Or figure out how to manufacture it with acceptable yields? And test it? Now multiply that by all the other stuff needed for a phone and you get it. Same reason when you buy a computer motherboard it uses lots of ICs on a PCB.

      Its cheap. And more reliable. And easier to change a small part of the design without throwing away the rest. Etc. There's no advantage to putting everything on one chip unless you're going to make a ton of them and rarely change it. It would be a dreadful way to design something like the iPhone which has relatively minimal sales (maybe 10 million per generation?) and frequent refreshes on the features and design.

  48. As someone who's done the EE stuff by Inoshiro · · Score: 1

    The reason is pretty simple: chips only cost a little bit more to make larger (in terms of die-surface area), until a certain point. Then the cost goes up exponentially instead of linearly (the knee-bend in the cost-to-area function plot).

    When you make 200 silicon chips off of a wafer, you might have 10% of them fail due to salting, and still get 180 perfectly good chips. If you made 1 chip with 200 silicon-chips worth of area, you'd never, ever get a product. If you did, you'd have to cover the cost of all the other silicon wafers that were unable to produce the same giga-chip.

    Just imagine how much money it costs to get a 24" surface of transistors, in which all the transistors work. Now make that surface 42" in size. This is why LCD televisions and monitors continue to be relatively expensive, considering they're made out of sand. When you have 1-2 billion transistors, not all of them are going to work ;)

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  49. you forgot one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    51. It makes you look like this.

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  50. N95 is ARM11 *Dual Core* 332Mhz by MacDork · · Score: 1

    N95 has 64 MB of RAM. When running, it has around 20 MB of *free* memory.

    As for the gaming, it's hard to say since management at Apple decided Apple employees were the only people who could write secure code for the iPhone. Well... no games from Apple yet. Security reasons I guess....

    1. Re:N95 is ARM11 *Dual Core* 332Mhz by S3D · · Score: 1

      As I understand it's not a real dual core. Second core is DSP.