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SCO Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy
Can you say "the SCO, the" in German? writes "Trading of SCO's stock has been halted on news that SCO has filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy. This move just so happens to fall on the eve of SCO's trial with Novell. One would think that their prior boasts were mostly bluster, that they believe they have almost no chance of prevailing at trial, and that they're now desperate to protect their executives from SCO's creditors while seeking yet another delay. From the release: 'The SCO Group intends to maintain all normal business operations throughout the bankruptcy proceedings. Subject to court approval, SCO and its subsidiaries will use the cash flow from their consolidated operations to meet their capital needs during the reorganization process. "We want to assure our customers and partners that they can continue to rely on SCO products, support and services for their business critical operations," said Darl McBride, President and CEO, The SCO Group. "Chapter 11 reorganization provides the Company with an opportunity to protect its assets during this time while focusing on building our future plans."'"
I know I'm going to be crying myself to sleep tonight.
And tell the fat lady to start warming up.
It's been a long time coming, but still they had to know this day would arrive. If shareholders weren't really in it for the crapshoot of beating IBM and Novell for $Billion$ they'd have a case against Darl and his lot for running the business into the ground pursuing frivolous lawsuits.
SCO's income from normal opperations must be down to a trickle with Linux and Windows Server vying for most of the market.
Emerge from Chapter 11? I can't see how, unless somehow there was a reversal of court decisions and they're doing nothing to grow their product market.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
I think PJ needs to send the red dress to the cleaners, so it will be ready when she needs it!
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
Where's my tiny violin?
Good things come to those who wait !
Regards, Destiny
Can you say Schadenfreude in English?
Ding dong the witch is dead!
For those of you who bought SCOX stock in hopes that they would win this case, you had better sell it. In the past 20 minutes, it has dropped from $0.66 to $0.37 cents (and still is dropping). We want to assure our customers and partners that they can continue to rely on SCO products, support and services for their business critical operations. Would you care to list those products, support & services?
According to your market data your net income was a $16.6 million loss. And when your total revenue was under $30 million, you really shouldn't even try to keep operating. Why is this Chapter 11? I guess it's going to come down to one unkillable lawyer with SCO tattooed on his chest. At that point, we'll have to call an exorcist.
My work here is dung.
I seem to recall[*] that SCO told the court that there was no need for a constructive trust to protect Novell's money, since they (SCO) were in no danger of bankruptcy.
;-)
Now SCO is facing the exact same judge on Monday morning over the issue of how much money they owe Novell. I predict an interesting day in court
* OK, I was reminded of it by something someone (anonymous, so I can't give credit) said on Groklaw.
the tune you've all been waiting to hear.
*drum rolls*
Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.
Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead.
Chapter 11 is bankruptcy protection. A company can emerge from chapter 11 (SGI did), but it's usually a preamble to a chapter 7, which means liquidation and game over, pal.
Don't Fuck With Tux
Free the Quark 3 from asymptotic confinement! Bring your charm! Don't get down! All colours and flavours welcome!
Aside from the lawyers for whom SCO is a source of billable hours, who relies on SCO for any products, support, or services? Are these the same folks looking to George W. for stategic planning? The masses going to Michael Vick for pet care tips? OJ for public relations?
read about the Chapter 11 filing here:
...and put a *wee* bit more pressure on their dwindling bankroll. ;)
http://ir.sco.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=264124
even if SCO emerges from Chp 11 with a nice updated product line, they've already lost their credibility, good will, and confidence of customers. Who wants to buy anything from a company who might ending up suing you for no particular reason?
There are tons of good Unix and Linux distributors out there... no reason to choose SCO anymore.
You want free and good? Linux and BSD. You want enterprise level? IBM and Sun. You want Windows-based? Dell and HP. You wanna convert your entire revenue stream into attorney fees billed at $400/hr? Take SCO.
This is the internet...you can say "FUCK" here. In fact, when discussing SCO, I believe it's mandatory.
Momentarily, the need for the construction of new light will no longer exist.
The original SCO, the Santa Cruz Operation, made some good software. We had several servers running it many years ago, along with a few with re-branded "Dell Unix." It's a shame that the original company will be forgotten because of this current abomination.
SCO = Someone Cashed Out
Windows 3.1x calc: 3.11 - 3.10 = 0.00
From the point of view of SCO's execs, this has been a pump-and-dump scheme: they filed the IBM (and Novell) lawsuits, got the stock to soar on the hype and in the years since have been quietly selling their stock. But there are others with a stake here (remember all the cash infusions MS arranged?), who probably want the lawsuits to continue. I wonder what the judge thinks now about Novell's motion for a constructive trust?
Now he's available for the Head of FEMA position.
Emerald City, Oz. - It was announced today that Darl McBride, President and CEO, The SCO Group has conceded his defeat regarding the Copyright Infringement case against IBM a few years ago and will file for Chapter 11 protection. Mr. McBride was quoted as saying "Chapter 11 reorganization provides the Company with an opportunity to protect its assets during this time while focusing on building our future plans."
... ah.. whatever it is you reporters do.."
When asked about these future plans, Mr. McBride announced his intention to sue every single internet user, based on the fact that the Internet became as popular as it did due to traffic running on products that were based on SCO intellectual property. "I personally was the creator of these tubes and filed for a patent back in 1956". Mr. McBride became irritated when this reporter informed him that the Internet did not in fact run through tubes, rather through optical lines and copper cables. "Where have you been? You must have missed my good friend Ted Stevens describing how the internet was a series of Tubes, just stick to what you know, which is
Reporting live from Emerald City, this is T. Bert signing off.
That happened to me all the time, but it was my big sister, who took shameless advantage of my dad's ironclad rule, "You don't hit girls. Period."
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Actually, it plummeted as the insiders and people with inside knowledge traded out- trading is halted as soon as chapter 11 is filed. It might be interesting to see who actually sold today in the minutes prior to the announcement. The SEC has been known to take a close look at that in the past.
What a strange bird is the pelican, his beak can hold more than his belly can.
May I suggest:
"Don't just bitch about OOXML and patent trolls, put your money where your mouth is.
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For the perfect anti-Unix, write an OS that thinks it knows what you're doing better than you do and let it be wrong.
For those that don't get the reference to "the SCO, the" in German, it comes from Episode 9F22 "Cape Feare" of the Simpsons.
Sideshow Bob is applying for parole claiming that he wouldn't pose a danger to Bart:
Lawyer: "Don't you have a tattoo that says 'die, Bart, die' on your chest?"
Sideshow Bob: "No! That's German. It means 'the Bart, the'".
Parole Officer 1: "No one who speaks German could be an evil man!"
Parole Officer 2: "Parole granted!"
"There is no knowledge that is not power"
The press release http://ir.sco.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=264124 says:
"SCO owns the core UNIX operating system, originally developed by AT&T/Bell Labs and is the exclusive licensor to UNIX-based system software providers."
Those SCO guys are a real pantload! Hahahahah
"The Chapter 11 reorg will protect them from getting decimated by Novell when they win their countersuit"
"Decimated" means destroying 1 in 10. IIRC, if a unit in the Roman Legion was cowardly|treasonous|bad, they counted off by 10's, a number was picked, and whoever had that number was beaten to death by the otehr 9 "luck ones".
I don't think Novell or IBM want SCO "decimated". I think "obliterated" is more appropriate.
"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
"I would never....EVER hit a woman, man, never...but I'll shake the shit outta a woman." -Chris Rock
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Not sure what they are trying to do, but it isn't what you said.
They have already been found to be guilty of conversion - taking something that Novell owns (the royalties they were owed) and keeping it for themselves (TSCOG).
Bankruptcy or no bankruptcy, they have to give Novell what ALREADY belongs to Novell.
They were obligated by contract to give the royalties to Novell BEFORE any bankruptcy, they are still required to give them AFTER any bankruptcy.
The only point to be determined by the court is HOW MUCH TSCOG kept that they should not have kept. Whatever that amount, bankruptcy has not effect on their LEGAL REQUIREMENT to GIVE IT BACK TO NOVELL.
If - which is NOT the case - Novell had gone for punatitive damages or any other kind of damages, then the bankruptcy would have had some effect. As it is, it doesn't (at least not in reguards to Novell).
Acts of massive stupidity are almost never covered by warranty. --me.
Not quite. In the case of the royalty money, the rulings thus far are that the royalties are Novell's, not SCO's, money. There's a question of the dollar amount to be determined, but that money isn't a debt owed to Novell so bankruptcy doesn't shield it. Read up on "conversion", which is the term the judge used. If you steal money from someone, you can't use bankruptcy protection to retain it since it's not yours in the first place.
Lacking <sarcasm> tags,
That in their press release, they say "SCO owns the core UNIX operating system..." ? Maybe they missed what happened in August? Link to the article on Groklaw
My coworker tells the same story, but with a different ending. His father made his sister promise NOT to pinch him (sharpened fingernails, drawing blood), and told Larry, in her presence, that he was never to hit his sister, because she was a girl. The penalty would be a whipping with a peach switch.
15 minutes later, she struck again, and Larry punched her in the afce as hard as he could, knocking her down and bloodying her nose. His father, as he was preparing to whip him, ebmoaned Larry's lack of control. Larry responded that he hadn't lost conrol; on the contrary, he had considered it in depth and decided that the punisment was worth it. His Dad said he respected his decision, even though he believed it was the wrong one, and proceeded to whip his ass soundly.
But his sister never went near him again.
"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
And in unrelated news, SCO has filed to trademark any portrayal of water swirling around in a toilet bowl, as that is their new corporate logo.
But since I work for IBM, I think I can be forgiven for gloating!
If I was deep this is would be profound, if smart then wise, if a poet then verse. Here it is, you judge!
"G2 Computer Intelligence" is listed as a debtor by SCOX in their filings, so now we know she's the paided little whore we always suspected her to be.
That's right Maureen, you're fucking out of the fucking closet.
Bankruptcy judges and trustees have carte blanche to deal with creditors, and limit the effects of ongoing litigation. On Monday, everything changes in front of Judge Kimball, who will put the suit into stasis, and give at least a 60 day cooling off period to everything.
It might turn into a Chapter 7 filing afterwards, and SCO might be forced to liquidate. This is unlikely, however. In the interim, they'll try to convince a judge or referee that they have IP assets that need protecting, along with their agreements with various companies, and will produce a lot of smoke in their quest to simply survive.
Much attorneys fees will be spent by many companies. Much continued incivility and plain poo will continue to be the hallmark of SCO's perhaps brief existence. Like others, they don't quit until they're just dead. Don't look for much come-uppance. This ends badly, just as it began badly.
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
This sure looks like the beginning of the end-game scenerio for SCO. It will have zero effect on the Novell claims, since they are "equitable" and basically just amount to an embezzelment/conversion charge, not a "debt". It's a return of improperly held property, so bankruptcy doesn't provide any cover there. Actually, it may make it easier for Novell in a couple of weeks to force it into a Chapter 7 liquidation proceeding instead, since the case will already be in the Bankruptcy Courts. They are SO toast now.
Hmmm...
SCO Vacuums - They suck!
SCO Sexual Enhancers - Get screwed by the best!
SCO Toilet Paper - Absorbs shit like no other!
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Even if SCO loses for good, there is Novell. While it's great that Novell will get the rights to Unix, in the meantime, Microsoft has a vested interest with the company. There may be a day when Microsoft will just buy out/absorb Novell, and MS will own the Unix rights. And MS being a company with really deep pockets and ever more resources, may actually pull off lawsuits ala RIAA against any Unix/Linux user. MS funded SCO indirectly to "help" with the lawsuit. It seems that MS knew SCO was going to lose. Thus, a partnership with Novell with a sweet deal it could not refuse was made. MS does not lose here. MS wins either way. I don't believe this is over by a long shot.
"Happily lived Mankind in the peaceful Valley of Ignorance." -- Hendrik Willem Van Loon
They are literally filing for bankruptcy and assuring their customers that they are fine and can rely on them at the same time... AT THE SAME TIME!
That's what Chapter 11 bankruptcy is all about. It allows you to reorganize your business and liabilities so you can stay in business.
FalconShould there be a Law?
By Daniel Lyons, 06.18.03, 12:00 PM ET
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In other words, like many religious folk, the Linux-loving crunchies in the open-source movement are a) convinced of their own righteousness, and b) sure the whole world, including judges, will agree.
They should wake up. SCO may not be very good at making a profit by selling software. But it is very good at getting what it wants from other companies. And it has a tight circle of friends.
[ ... ]
MOD THE CHILD UP!
Try:
SCO Potato Chips, comes in douche flavor, instead of just salt and vinegar.
SCO the newest Windows' Vista Reseller.
SCO retailers: Going to Vietnam to compete with Wall*Mart.
SCO Foods: Made with cyclamates, triglycerides and all the hydrogenated denatured vegetable oils you crave.
SCO Soap: Made with extra lubricating oils and gentle soothing lotions. Suppliers to the US Penal System since we found out what we could expect.
SCO Coffee: 'Crap'pucino, Made from what Starbuck's threw away.
SCO Greeting Cards: Made specially for mothers' in law and other people you don't really care about.
SCO Theme Park. Its like "Six Flags" without the rides or any of the fun. Basically, think of the lousiest fair run by the most crooked grifters on the most run down equipment, showing the worst flea-bitten, urine-smelling animals (Gerty The Wonder Rat!) and down-on-their-luck geeks (we're talking REAL geeks, Glauman geeks here,) that its ever been your displeasure to encounter outside of their tent. That's the SCO Theme Park.
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Cross-post from Groklaw... I did a quick Google of "bad faith" in regards to bankruptcy filings, and there is apparently precident regarding exactly the same situation as SCO is in. Using bankruptcy just as a tool to thwart other litigation is apparently a BIG no-no. From a non-authoritative source: http://touchngo.com/lglcntr/usdc/bnkrptcy/briefs/bnk45.htm "One area ripe for a bad faith dismissal is when the debtor is using a bankruptcy filing as a litigation tactic to either forestall litigation or seek a forum perceived to be more friendly. In Marsch, the court upheld a 'bad faith' dismissal where the chapter 11 petition was filed solely to delay collection of a judgment and avoid posting an appeal bond where the debtor had the financial means to pay the judgment." Also, in addition to dismissing the bankruptcy case, the bankruptcy courts may well impose the "nuclear" sanction - barring SCO from asserting another bankruptcy claim in the future. This would leave them totally exposed to the full wieght of any other judgements, with no way out at all - not even Chapter 7 liquidation. In other words... "you're on your own, Darl..." Is anyone with any expertise in bankruptcy proceedings around to help the community figure out exactly how this works? Something tells me the bankruptcy filing is not going to fly for long, but may expose SCO's legal team to some serious malpractice liability. And... maybe after this little road bump is resolved we'll finally see Kimball bring some real sacnctions down on the SCO side too. This is just getting beyond ridiculous.
So let's see... you took $500 million in paid in equity and in nine short years managed to parley that into a princely sum less than $5 million. In the history of your company your only profitable quarter a judge has found that some if not all of your revenue was the proceeds of conversion that you have spent and can no longer pay back. Your liabilities include the counterclaims remaining from baseless lawsuits you have filed after your claims have been revealed to have no substance.
Liquidation cannot cure your victims, but it should help prevent you from finding any more.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
Why, oh, why can't we have a comment from the quintessential blurbmeister here? Rob, where are you in this historic moment to weigh the subtle issues and deliver some clarity in fifteen words or less?
Will you all please give him some hits on his blog at ITBE and let him know we need his insight at this trying time?
Help stamp out iliturcy.