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Millions in Middle East Lose Internet

Shipwack writes "Tens of millions of internet users across the Middle East and Asia have been left without access to the web after a technical fault cut millions of connections. The outage, which is being blamed on a fault in a single undersea cable, has severely restricted internet access in countries including India, Egypt and Saudi Arabia and left huge numbers of people struggling to get online. Observers say that the digital blackout first struck yesterday morning, with Egypt's communications ministry suggesting it was caused by a cut in a major internet pipeline linking it to Europe."

304 comments

  1. redundancy by theheadlessrabbit · · Score: 5, Funny

    isn't this why we are supposed to have system redundancy? so a failure in one area won't cause a complete blackout?

    isn't this why we are supposed to have system redundancy? so a failure in one area won't cause a complete blackout?

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    1. Re:redundancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      in the same way that you have two sets of everything "just in case." we have a hard time convincing telcos that they should upgrade just to handle the traffic they have as it is never mind if anything went wrong. [think comcast or AT&T] to them anything that isn't directly doing something [ie not a backup] is costing them cash that would otherwise go into padding their pockets.

    2. Re:redundancy by kneppercr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, hindsight is 20/20 with these kinds of things and everything will be examined later. Of more immediate concern is how long it will take to restore the system. IANADSD (I am not a deep sea diver) but if it is an underwater cable problem I seriously doubt that this will be a "pull a bit more slack out of the wall and splice it with electrical tape" kind of solution.

      Also, who actually has the responsibility for the cable? No telling how long the accountant types on each end will bicker. I just hope that it gets restored quicker than electricity in Bhagdad.

    3. Re:redundancy by p0tat03 · · Score: 1

      There's no redundancy because people do not demand it. Why is it that military communications don't ever fail like this? Simple, because the customer understands the importance of fault-free operation and is willing to pay for it. Compare with the average internet subscriber...

    4. Re:redundancy by KDR_11k · · Score: 5, Informative

      There was redundancy there. I was talking with a guy from Bahrain when it happened (already suspected a cable problem since I've experienced that with a cross-Atlantic cable already) and he said his ping just went up like mad, he was still able to connect obviously, just with a ping of two seconds.

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    5. Re:redundancy by kamatsu · · Score: 5, Funny

      IANADSD (I am not a deep sea diver) WDYJUAULAAATIEIATDTPOTAESYKIWNBUA? - Why did you just use an unnecessarily long abbreviatory acronym and then immediately expand it and thus defeat the purpose of the abbreviation, especially since you know it will never be used again?
    6. Re:redundancy by Yvanhoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Would you pay 2 time the price to prevent a one-day outage once every year ? Military does. Consumers don't. Yet.

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    7. Re:redundancy by somersault · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think you underestimate the efficacy of electrical tape in general. Especially when secured with duct tape.

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    8. Re:redundancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No kidding. Duct tape has made incredible advances over the years. I mean, who knew that people would need nuclear duct tape? But it exists. Deep sea cable patching duct tape also probably exists.

    9. Re:redundancy by teh+kurisu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's what I thought. This probably isn't a case of "Middle East Loses Internet", more a case of "Millions in Middle East Now Using One Fibre Connection Instead Of Two".

      Like when a major motorway gets closed due to an accident, and every road within a hundred mile radius is choked for the rest of the day.

    10. Re:redundancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why is it that military communications don't ever fail like this?

      You haven't spent any time working for the US military in South West Asia, have you? I can't expand on this further, mainly because I'd really annoy a lot of "important" people by doing so, and I am a loyal servant of the American Empire.

    11. Re:redundancy by Gabest · · Score: 5, Funny

      WDYJUAULAAATIEIATDTPOTAESYKIWNBUA? - Why did you just use an unnecessarily long abbreviatory acronym and then immediately expand it and thus defeat the purpose of the abbreviation, especially since you know it will never be used again? It's called redundancy!
    12. Re:redundancy by QuickFox · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Would you pay 2 time the price [...] Consumers don't. Some do. At home I have 8MB cable, and also, for the infrequent times when the cable is down, I have an antique 56K telephone-modem subscription. The latter costs very little when unused, and instead costs by the minute when used.

      Of course the phone-modem connection isn't useful for any serious download, but I'm never helplessly disconnected from e-mail, news, slashdot etc.
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    13. Re:redundancy by eharvill · · Score: 1

      Some do. At home I have 8MB cable, and also, for the infrequent times when the cable is down, I have an antique 56K telephone-modem subscription. The latter costs very little when unused, and instead costs by the minute when used. That's why I am glad my neighbor has an unsecured wireless router on a cable internet connection while I am on DSL. :-) Worst case scenario I use my cell phone as a modem.
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    14. Re:redundancy by sirmonkey · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      aaaaaaaaaa hahahaha thats funny! i will be emailing this in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...

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    15. Re:redundancy by stevenp · · Score: 1

      >> [complaint about unnecessary use of acronyms]

      You must be new here.

      -- IANAL therefore YMMV

    16. Re:redundancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some new form of redundancy maybe?

    17. Re:redundancy by Yocto+Yotta · · Score: 1

      WDYJUAULAAATIEIATDTPOTAESYKIWNBUA? JTPYO!

      I have to write some stuff in lower caps too. Apparently, I'm yelling.

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    18. Re:redundancy by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      I deliberately pay more for a decent ISP and it is something like two times the price of the cheapest.

      So the answer to your question is yes.

    19. Re:redundancy by GennarinoParsifalle · · Score: 1

      Of course the phone-modem connection isn't useful for any serious download, but I'm never helplessly disconnected from e-mail, news, slashdot Whoever has tried to read slashdot on anything less than an ADSL knows that it is way to big to read. Homepage alone is more than 500K. The same is true for accessing it via cell phone without a flat fee contract.
    20. Re:redundancy by Nullav · · Score: 1

      Why not just use one of those free dial-up services? A lot of them only give you a few hours a month (or ads, in the case of NetZero/Juno), but it's only for emergencies, right?

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    21. Re:redundancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +5, Redundant

    22. Re:redundancy by mpe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's no redundancy because people do not demand it. Why is it that military communications don't ever fail like this? Simple, because the customer understands the importance of fault-free operation and is willing to pay for it.

      Sometimes this is the case. But you also get the likes of soldiers borrowing phones from journalists because they work better than military radios.

    23. Re:redundancy by the+grace+of+R'hllor · · Score: 1

      It's called redundancy!

    24. Re:redundancy by Gewalt · · Score: 0

      Why not just use one of those free dial-up services? A lot of them only give you a few hours a month (or ads, in the case of NetZero/Juno), but it's only for emergencies, right?
      Because you'd have to keep spyware installed on your computer then.
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    25. Re:redundancy by growse · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's called redundancy! .

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    26. Re:redundancy by Gewalt · · Score: 0

      Why is it that military communications don't ever fail like this?
      I have no idea what military you worked for, but the military I worked for had comms outages all the time.
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    27. Re:redundancy by vtcodger · · Score: 1
      Probably not. Duct Tape is wonderful stuff. It would probably be the universal repair technology were it not for two flaws:

      1. It's lousy for patching ducts.

      2. It doesn't work well under water.

      Deep Sea cable patching duct tape? Probably not. But bailing wire might work. And they can always try quick setting epoxy or a bent paperclip.

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    28. Re:redundancy by spamking · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the bailing wire . . .

    29. Re:redundancy by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 1

      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

      Fark can keep their echo threads!

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    30. Re:redundancy by ajlitt · · Score: 1

      And nylon ties. The rich man's bailing wire.

    31. Re:redundancy by CubicleView · · Score: 1

      I dunno, I could use it since IANADSD either or is that IANADSDE...

    32. Re:redundancy by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      So the "technical fault" was the designer who allowed the failure bottleneck, or more likely the executive who "cut costs" by eliminating the reliable redundancy.

      Who wants to bet which one will get fired? It'll be the hapless guy on duty when the system finally, inevitably, went down.

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    33. Re:redundancy by QuickFox · · Score: 1

      Indeed that would make more sense for most people. But in my case I keep the antique service also for another reason, it allows me to keep my antique e-mail address.

      Here in Sweden no such service is entirely free, but I could get one much cheaper with no monthly/yearly fee, and the same per-minute fee. For anyone who uses the Net a lot, it makes sense to have a free or cheap additional service.

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    34. Re:redundancy by QuickFox · · Score: 1

      It's far too slow for everyday use. But if you only use it that way two or three times a year, it isn't too bad. You choose several interesting stories, making them load into separate tabs, and then make coffee or something while they download.

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    35. Re:redundancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please tell me you used a shell script to pull the first letters for the acronym part...

    36. Re:redundancy by mrboyd · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is redundancy and the fact that I am posting this message from the United Arab Emirates and that I just exchanged email with my business partner in India, Syria, Saudi and Egypt is a proof of that.

      A few cables cut did not make us "lose Internet" (alarmist article, which I didn't read), but the fact that most of the traffic is now redirected through other cable / satellite / smoke signal cause some bandwidth issue and it is much slower than usual.

      For example it takes about twice as long as it usually does to log-in my gmail account, watching video on youtube is not realtime anymore. Doing a google search or accessing a local website is fast of course. Slashdot loads a bit more slowly than usual but it reminds me of my 56k modem and it's still faster than my 3g phone. I read about the issue for the first time on bloomberg's website. So saying that the "Middle East" doesn't have internet anymore is pure Yellow Journalism.

      Calling europe is a bit of a pain, it's difficult to get through due to network congestion and require at least a couple of redial. Skype calls are too choppy to be useful during peak hours. (It was fine last night when the businesses were closed).

      It does have a real impact on some of my customer who relies on internet bandwith (outsourced call center using VoIP for eample), but for everyone else it's business as usual, just a little bit slower.

      And honestly, the telecom's operator suck so badly in this area that it doesn't change much from any other "slow internet and shitty phone line" day.

    37. Re:redundancy by srollyson · · Score: 1

      -> SOTIAC - Stay on topic! Tit's a checksum.

      <- NAK

    38. Re:redundancy by kc8tbe · · Score: 1

      You don't have to pay for twice the redundancy, but rather twice the bandwidth in two (or more) different cables. When a cable fails, bandwidth drops below what consumers paid for but Internet is not completely blacked-out.

    39. Re:redundancy by Magada · · Score: 1

      Two seconds ping probably means "millions in the middle east hogging bandwidth on a couple satellite channels", actually.

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    40. Re:redundancy by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1
      Redundancy has its limits, and a major link going down could potentially have a cascading effect that causes redundant links to go down. Consider this example: A and B are connected by two redundant links, each operating at 75% of capacity. If one link goes down, and the other takes over, it will now be operating at 150%, and will quickly become clogged; it could become so busy, in fact, that it goes down entirely.

      My guess is that the situation in the middle east is similar. This was a major link, and when it went down, the traffic spilled over to other links and overloaded them, causing the disruption in service. Then again, I don't work in the middle east, so I don't really know how they set things up...

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    41. Re:redundancy by mikael · · Score: 1

      Make sure the two aren't going down into the same underground conduit. I once thought it was incredibly clever to have two dial-up ISP's so that if the server of one went down, I would be able to access the server of another. Unfortunately, the underground piping flooded during Winter snows, and both connections were lost. Now I have a couple of second hand wireless modems just in case.

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    42. Re:redundancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is very little redundancy with ocean bottom cable. It's just too expensive. and...

      hahahahaha I bet some of those foos who outsourced their backoffice/helpdesks are crying now.

    43. Re:redundancy by slakblaster · · Score: 1

      When an undersea trunk gets cut it's not a one day outage. Even in the article they said it would take several days to fix. And yeah, your average consumer isn't going to want to foot the bill for geographically diverse routes. If I had to guess, I'd say that the majority of those affected were home and small business users. Not large business and government.

    44. Re:redundancy by maxume · · Score: 1

      I doubt things have changed all that much:

      http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.12/ffglass_pr.html

      Paying for it probably won't be a problem(If you spend a lot of money, you spend a smaller, yet still significant some making sure that the contract is 'good', which largely means very specific), but the time it takes for somebody to get out there and actually do it, who knows.

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    45. Re:redundancy by GuyinVA · · Score: 1

      And zip-ties

    46. Re:redundancy by somersault · · Score: 1

      Is that meant to be ironic (considering the title of these posts), or did you really just not notice that other people have already said that? ;)

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    47. Re:redundancy by colfer · · Score: 1

      redundancy

    48. Re:redundancy by hjf · · Score: 1

      Bah, it's just like my own ISP here. They sold SO MANY ADSL connections lately (640k for $20 a month, that is Argentine Pesos, which is about USD 6,50), they're choking now. Can't watch youtube, gmail takes 30 seconds to load, etc. They're blocking P2P now too... mysteriously at 6:30 AM my BitTorrent download goes from 200KB/s (I have 2,5Mbps service, giving a max of about 250KB/s at my site), and drops to ZERO at that particular time. Zero. Nothing. 0.00KB/s. And youtube still chokes. Oh and it gets worse: they dont peer with local ISPs, instead, all national traffic is routed via Miami (they're a big telco, and they deliberately do that to increase latency and costs for other operators. The rest of the ISPs are small and they sell VoIP too... so Big Telco got mad).

    49. Re:redundancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>>This probably isn't a case of "Middle East Loses Internet", more a case of "Millions in Middle East Now Using One Fibre Connection Instead Of Two"

      Makes one wonder, does this ever cross these suicide bombers minds - "Wow, my 72 virgins are going to be so worth this major inconvenience to so many people! hehheehehee!!"

    50. Re:redundancy by kamatsu · · Score: 1

      I considered it, but when you read slashdot for long enough, these things just come naturally to you.

    51. Re:redundancy by edittard · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think it's affected slashdot - so far, the story's only been posted once.

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    52. Re:redundancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone's just learned the power of obsessions to change what you write.

    53. Re:redundancy by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      There was redundancy there. I was talking with a guy from Bahrain when it happened (already suspected a cable problem since I've experienced that with a cross-Atlantic cable already) and he said his ping just went up like mad, he was still able to connect obviously, just with a ping of two seconds. Two seconds? Sounds like satellite-pings...
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    54. Re:redundancy by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Nah. The explanation is the same one we have been getting for the past few years when anything goes wrong - "Terr'ists"

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    55. Re:redundancy by lonesome_coder · · Score: 1

      Re:redundancy (Score:-1, Redundant) (Score:+1, Ironic)

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    56. Re:redundancy by timeOday · · Score: 1

      You may have 4 separate tires on your car, but that doesn't mean there's any redundancy.

    57. Re:redundancy by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Because you'd have to keep spyware installed on your computer then.

      Says who? This is a completely free dial-up provider that I use when I'm on the road with my laptop. It will probably cost you some long distance charges, but those are a moot point for those of us using cell phones to connect or those with unlimited long distance type plans.

      The above provider works with a straight PPP connection. No spyware required. I haven't tried it, but I would assume that it would easily work under Linux too.

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    58. Re:redundancy by icsx · · Score: 1

      We shall have netsplits in the future. Everyone who has used IRC is familiar with these. One of the A,B,C,etc*root server splits from another and soon DNS stops working. Oh noes what are we gonna do then? IRC.

    59. Re:redundancy by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1
      _Brazil_:

      T.V. Interviewer: How do you account for the fact that the bombing campaign has been going on for thirteen years?
      Mr. Helpmann: Beginners' luck
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    60. Re:redundancy by ATMD · · Score: 1

      That isn't irony.

      It would be irony if, for example, he was inadvertently echoing previous posts saying "redundancy is pointless". I wish people would figure this out.

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    61. Re:redundancy by somersault · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that be more hypocrisy than irony, or you only mean if he didn't notice that others had made those posts.

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    62. Re:redundancy by djdavetrouble · · Score: 1

      2 is never enough:
      The third tunnel project

      Conceived in 1954, due to be completed in 2020.

      Maybe they just haven't finished the tertiary link over there in the middle east.....

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    63. Re:redundancy by Zabu · · Score: 0

      It's called redundancy! .
      -1 Redundant

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    64. Re:redundancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://meraki.com/

      get your neighborhood to use this....mesh network, multiple gateways, redundant paths to the internet until/unless the whole neighborhood/network is down.

      just for the sake of redundancy....

      http://meraki.com/

    65. Re:redundancy by jc42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Make sure the two aren't going down into the same underground conduit.

      The canonical example of this was the incident on the morning of 12 December 1986, when the Internet/ARPAnet had seven trunk lines connecting New England to the rest of the US. But all seven lines passed through a single conduit between Newark (NJ) and White Plains (NY). A worker cut the conduit and severed all the cables inside.

      This is used as a textbook example of why the layered architecture of such systems shouldn't be absolute. Without software that is able to look at all the layers and compare them, you can't prevent people from making mistakes like this. You need a way for management software to peek into both the network level and the hardware level, and throw a warning if redundancy has been subverted in ways like this.

      And a big part of the problem is that major infrastructure suppliers like the phone and cable companies consider this "Someone Else's Problem". They are strongly motivated to minimize their costs, which includes minimizing the hardware and eliminating redundancy. As long as there are profits at stake, such problems can't be solved without an outside actor that can enforce redundancy. Here in the US, as in much of the rest of the world, we don't seem to have anyone able to enforce such redundancy in the non-military "market".

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    66. Re:redundancy by nacturation · · Score: 1

      Futurama should set you straight:

      Bender: [Singing, while reading from a dictionary] The use of words expressing something other than their literal intention. Now that is irony.

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    67. Re:redundancy by ca111a · · Score: 1

      IICR (It is called redundancy) ! - there, fixed that for you :)

    68. Re:redundancy by Br'er+Lappin · · Score: 1

      Then I'll expand on it, because:

      a) I'm not a loyal servant of the American Empire - I'm stuck here in Baghdad against my will, thanks to the back-door draft.
      b) I don't care about annoying people who think they're important - freedom of speech, and freedom of information!
      but mostly because
      c) I want to piss off the Anonymous Coward.

      We lose connectivity about once a week on Camp Slayer, part of the VBC in Baghdad. Most of the unplanned outages are due to power failures. In fact, our 1.6MW generator just went out a few hours ago and took us completely offline for about a half hour. But, for the most part, we have good redundancy. Even with this Middle East outage, connectivity on the military net has been good. A network minimize has been issued, meaning that non-mission-essential websites are blocked to conserve bandwidth. I'm getting to Slashdot on a commercial line that has satellite connectivity to the States. The only other huge outage since I've been here was an Exchange failure that brought our email down for about three days.

    69. Re:redundancy by natedubbya · · Score: 1

      And cue the gratuitous Iraq rebuilding zinger, in three, two ...
      I just hope that it gets restored quicker than electricity in Bhagdad.


    70. Re:redundancy by anaesthetica · · Score: 1

      I hope the meta-moderators are harsh on all those who use the "-1 redundant" mod in this thread...

    71. Re:redundancy by DarthJohn · · Score: 1

      Atlantean hillbilly out having fun with a shotgun?

    72. Re:redundancy by stedo · · Score: 1

      WDYJUAULAAATIEIATDTPOTAESYKIWNBUA? - Why did you just use an unnecessarily long abbreviatory acronym and then immediately expand it and thus defeat the purpose of the abbreviation, especially since you know it will never be used again? It's called redundancy!
    73. Re:redundancy by dialbat · · Score: 1

      Consumers DO, how do you think Military gets all it's money :)

    74. Re:redundancy by dlanod · · Score: 1

      Mod parent redundant. Meta-mod redundant mods as ironic.

    75. Re:redundancy by SL+Baur · · Score: 1

      When an undersea trunk gets cut it's not a one day outage. Yeah. I was on assignment in China when this same thing happened. For most of the week we were there, we had to link to the main office in Tokyo via dialup over POTS. Ugh.

      There's redundancy to some parts of the world, but not enough everywhere.
    76. Re:redundancy by Al+Dimond · · Score: 1

      Well, no big loss... it will just take Fred and Co. a bit longer to look up his soft-porn, football scores, and bible verses.

    77. Re:redundancy by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      But it doesn't happen every year, hence the one day per year figure.

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  2. You know you're a geek... by broothal · · Score: 4, Funny

    ..if you read this as "Millions in Middle Earth Lose Internet"

    1. Re:You know you're a geek... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I was relieved when I realized my mistake and that my favorite hobbit porn sites were still accessible.

    2. Re:You know you're a geek... by Valdrax · · Score: 2, Funny

      Things just haven't been the same with the Palantirs since the Eternal Halimath of 1493.

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    3. Re:You know you're a geek... by Kvasio · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I believe that Middle East had their servers running. Taking into account the number of people affected, the title of news should be

      Internet split into two independent networks due to broken cable

      ... if not yet

      Europe and America cut from the internet

      ;-)

    4. Re:You know you're a geek... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so when I assumed I couldn't read al jazeera this morning because I'd been cut off from the Internet, I was right!

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    5. Re:You know you're a geek... by StarfishOne · · Score: 4, Funny

      They should have used a Token Ring... my pwwweeccioussss! ;p

    6. Re:You know you're a geek... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1 Offtopic. How about you actually read what you're replying to?

    7. Re:You know you're a geek... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 3, Funny

      It reminds me of the old (possibly apocryphal) story of the Times headline:

      "Fog on the Thames. Continent cut off."

    8. Re:You know you're a geek... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1
      They should have used a Token Ring... my pwwweeccioussss! ;p

      That is just horribly, horribly egregiously disturbingly bad. And take that ring off your little hobbit!

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    9. Re:You know you're a geek... by DocWat232 · · Score: 0

      And use PPPoE: Palantir to Palantir Protocol over Ethernet.

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    10. Re:You know you're a geek... by VJ42 · · Score: 2, Funny

      They should have used a Token Ring... my pwwweeccioussss! ;p Don't you mean a Tolkien Ring?? ;d
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    11. Re:You know you're a geek... by dpiven · · Score: 2, Funny

      I first read that title as "Millions in Middle East Lose Interest".

      Then I thought, "yeah, like *I* care."

    12. Re:You know you're a geek... by johnw · · Score: 2, Informative

      Odd geography. ITYM

      "Fog in the channel - continent isolated".

    13. Re:You know you're a geek... by at_slashdot · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm sure Americans feel cut from the Internet if they don't receive their daily V1@gra e-mails.

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    14. Re:You know you're a geek... by Jim+in+Buffalo · · Score: 1

      I can't tell you how glad I am to know that I'm not the only one. I was, like, "Lose interest in WHAT?"

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    15. Re:You know you're a geek... by porcupine8 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Personally, I read it as "Millions in Middle East Lose Interest."

      I envisioned this wave of ennui crashing over the area. Suddenly peace breaks out because no one can be bothered to blow anyone up.

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    16. Re:You know you're a geek... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Actually, I first read it as "Millions in Middle East Lose Interest".

    17. Re:You know you're a geek... by powerlord · · Score: 1

      Without my daily stream of spam, how would I know that my email connection is properly working?

      Its merely a randomized heartbeat message that your email is functioning, with random garbage filling the actual message content. :P

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    18. Re:You know you're a geek... by TurinPT · · Score: 1

      Then I thought, "yeah, like *I* care."
      You would care if you had a real job, most of the accounting these days is outsourced to India.
      No internets = do all the boring financial accounting yourself.
      Now go back to school you little brat.

    19. Re:You know you're a geek... by urcreepyneighbor · · Score: 1

      I was relieved when I realized my mistake and that my favorite hobbit porn sites were still accessible. HobbitHole? HobbitGobler? HobbitWhore?

      Which one, man, there are so many!

      I prefer HornyHobbit, personally.
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    20. Re:You know you're a geek... by Harodotus · · Score: 1

      OK I get that Halimath is the 9th month of the Shire calendar, and that an eternal one would be one that lasts a long time, but what you mean by 1493 is beyond me.

      In 3rd Age c. 1493* (Shire reconning) the proto-hobbits had just ended (-50 years) a battle against the Men of Harad and some were starting to move west into what would later be the Shire. So why they would suffer an Internet outage then seems to be a bit of a stretch...

      Of course, if you had said c. 1636 (when the Great Plague devastates Gondor) or c. 2002 (Fall of Minas Ithil) that would have made a lot more sense.

      * - Note: Everyone can always find someone who knows more about LOTR than themselves, sometimes a scary amount more.

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    21. Re:You know you're a geek... by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      Note: Everyone can always find someone who knows more about LOTR than themselves, sometimes a scary amount more. Which you've amply demonstrated. <g&gt
      All I did was make a joke about the Eternal September of 1993 and LOTR-ize it with about 2 minutes of searching the Wikipedia for months of the year and a rough timeline of events, which I thought said that the 4th Age started a few decades before that year.

      I bow to your superior geek knowledge, though.
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    22. Re:You know you're a geek... by Harodotus · · Score: 1

      I'm just waiting for somebody to point out that my 3rd Age timeline figures for c. 1493 are off by five hundred years or so (got the others right though).

      Further research show that it the Perinath (in southern Gondor) migrations westward i should have been referring to and not the founding of the Shire.

      If you'd translated 1993 A.D to c. 1993 (Shire reconning) you might have been very close and I probably would have made sense of your 9/11/1993 joke.

      You actually get Kudos for your LOTR joke.

      Cheers!

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    23. Re:You know you're a geek... by Insipid+Trunculance · · Score: 1

      It was

      Fog in channel.Continent isolated.

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  3. Information warfare? by xx01dk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Russian subs used to employ a cutting device on some of their submarines designed to cut the cables used in undersea sonar nets... I'm thinking it wouldn't take too much to start a war these days given how much we rely on these underwater communication cables. That said, it's more likely that a ship's anchor snagged it.

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    1. Re:Information warfare? by drspliff · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Or, it was "salvaged" by fishermen to make a quick buck? Stranger stuff has happened :)

      Clicky clicky: http://www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUSHAN1727620070607?feedType=RSS

      Fishermen who were allowed to take unused war-era undersea copper cables have gone too far, "salvaging" fibre-optic lines providing some of Vietnam's Internet and other international communications.

      *snip*

      State-run newspapers said an 11-km (7-mile) section of stolen TVH fibre-optic cable would be replaced at a cost of $5.8 million. It was part of the line that transmits data from Vietnam to Thailand and Hong Kong.

      In all, about 43 km (27 miles) of fibre-optic cable is missing, including about 32 km (20 miles) stolen from a cable operated by a Singaporean company.
    2. Re:Information warfare? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or aome ayrab tried to steal it.

    3. Re:Information warfare? by z0idberg · · Score: 4, Funny

      *snip*


      wow - they even have a recording of the salvage operation taking place!
    4. Re:Information warfare? by ImaLamer · · Score: 2, Funny

      *snip*


      How apropos!
    5. Re:Information warfare? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We rely on them a bit, problem is the newer trans Atlantic cables will need a torpedo hit to damage them. but they will not sever communication in any way. satellite's will take over just fine.

    6. Re:Information warfare? by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      Russian subs used to employ a cutting device on some of their submarines designed to cut the cables used in undersea sonar nets... I'm thinking it wouldn't take too much to start a war these days given how much we rely on these underwater communication cables. That said, it's more likely that a ship's anchor snagged it. It happened in Istanbul when a storm hit. Ping times went higher and higher and later, entire foreign IP communication crashed. Everyone thought it is because of storm. It was because of storm in a different way :)

      A ship anchor. Captain decided to stop because of storm and anchored middle of nowhere. Anchor finds the underwater fiber cable, one in billion bad luck.

      Underwater cables are important but the bandwidth can be offloaded to satellites. Very expensive solution but I don't think those petrol rich countries would care.

      BTW, I wonder if it is the famous bad luck underwater Seabone as Italy mentioned.

      http://etabeta.noc.seabone.net/cgi-bin/lg.pl Either their LG code is broken or something strange going on.

    7. Re:Information warfare? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspected as much, I felt a great disturbance in the Internet, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I feared something terrible had happened.

  4. FLAG? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd assume this is the FLAG cable that the Egyptians were so proud of being a part of?

    You'd think for a country like India, it would be in their country's/telecom industry's best interests to have more backup routes and capacity.

    1. Re:FLAG? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wikipedia says it's FLAG , but no link

    2. Re:FLAG? by argiedot · · Score: 1

      I had a torrent on the whole night and it didn't break. I, atleast, didn't lose connectivity. I suspect this affects only certain providers because I'm pretty sure mine (Airtel) has its own line going East to Singapore and two other providers have their own cables (BSNL, Tata inherited from VSNL, it's probably one of these that broke).

  5. Reading this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    all i could think was "The fools! if only they'd built her with 6001 hulls! when will they ever learn!"

    1. Re:Reading this... by Divebus · · Score: 1

      Governor Sio Bibble: "A communications disruption could mean only one thing: invasion."

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    2. Re:Reading this... by rucs_hack · · Score: 4, Funny

      Governor Sio Bibble: "A communications disruption could mean only one thing: invasion."

      Or someone forgot to pay the bill...

    3. Re:Reading this... by xSauronx · · Score: 3, Funny
      Governor Sio Bibble: "A communications disruption could mean only one thing: invasion."

      Or someone forgot to pay the bill...
      An overdue bill or invasion!

      Three things: An overdue bill, invasion, or a hardware failure. FOUR possibilities...no, Amongst the possibilities are such incidents as...

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    4. Re:Reading this... by jank1887 · · Score: 1

      or someone tapping into the undersea cable cut a bit too deep...

    5. Re:Reading this... by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      or someone tapping into the undersea cable cut a bit too deep...

      I didn't think AT&T would go this far!

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    6. Re:Reading this... by egyptiankarim · · Score: 1

      Ahh crap. Someone woke up the Cloverfield monster.

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    7. Re:Reading this... by WingedEarth · · Score: 1

      ANOTHER invasion of the Middle East? This is getting as played out and unoriginal as Episodes 1-3 of Star Wars.

    8. Re:Reading this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having been on submarine escorts in this area of the world before (egypt, suez canal, the med, etc.), I really would not say it is totally unlikely that this was done on purpose by a government. The US? maybe, ok probably if so, but why would be the next question. Whats going on that was so important they had to do this? Somethings fishy, but maybe thats the conspiracy theorist side of me coming out... "Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split"- Conan The Barbarian

    9. Re:Reading this... by EmperorKagato · · Score: 1

      The news from this morning is still on CNN. I bet he's ripping and running through downtown Dubai at this moment.

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    10. Re:Reading this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You fools, I say it was wire tapping!

    11. Re:Reading this... by gegebenenfalls · · Score: 1

      Ahahaha - They say that civlisation is three meals away from barbarism...

      The Sydney Morning Herald writes:

      'Egyptian blogger The Arabist said he would "resume posting after the problem [two broken undersea fibre cables] is resolved" and predicted, with a hint of sarcasm, "complete social breakdown in vast swathes of (upmarket Cairo districts) Heliopolis and Mohandiseen as thousands are unable to update their Facebook status."' (para. 11 in article).

    12. Re:Reading this... by clem · · Score: 1

      But the question on all our minds is this: Will Cloverfield bring democracy to the Middle East?

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    13. Re:Reading this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somebody watches too much Futurama...

  6. Response Conjecture by Prysorra · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If this can happen to the Middle East, it can happen to Russia.

    This is final proof that Russia can be cut off from "the internet".

    Now about that Storm bot net....

    1. Re:Response Conjecture by drspliff · · Score: 1

      Well, other than Russia is mostly connected to the rest of the world by land.

      You know, their in a pretty good strategic position for Europe-China links if somebody can work out how to lay thousands of KM of fiber relatively quickly over land, at the moment most of the Chinese sites I visit still get routed through America, largely because the cost of laying undersea cables is relatively low for the distances it covers...

      However, if you wanted to cut the UK off from the rest of the world, that could be done relatively easily... if you attached one of our main european links to a large ship and pulled... how much gear would come with it? :) (imagine the frantic admins running after a Catalyst chassis scuttling towards the sea)

    2. Re:Response Conjecture by sydneyfong · · Score: 1

      Actually, you can cut the Internet from yourself.
      I mean, this is not another Soviet Russia joke.
      Unless the whole world agrees to cut Russia from the Internet, you'll probably get hosts from other countries willing to route Russian packets and you'll end up getting them anyway.

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    3. Re:Response Conjecture by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how easy it would be to cut the UK off, there seems to be an awful lot of cables connecting the UK to an awful lot of places. The last time I think saw a map of the worlds international undersea cabling I remember thinking that a disproportinate volume of it seemed to make a bee line for the UK. How many of those contain internet links though I'm not sure.

    4. Re:Response Conjecture by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      The UK is quite strategically placed too, a significant portion or USAEurope cabling goes via the UK, and they carry a significant amount of traffic. If you cut off the UK, you would significantly reduce transatlantic capacity too.

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    5. Re:Response Conjecture by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's a quick undersea cable map for anyone who's looking.

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    6. Re:Response Conjecture by Jellybob · · Score: 1

      Unless you did all the cables at once, we'd barely notice.

      Now if you were to take out Telehouse, that would probably cause a few heads to turn, since most of the UK's Internet traffic goes through there at some point or another.

    7. Re:Response Conjecture by bvimo · · Score: 1

      It would be a useful anti-Spam measure.

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    8. Re:Response Conjecture by Dogtanian · · Score: 1
      Great, another nerd sitting behind a keyboard instantly solves a problem that countless expert minds haven't been able to! Setting the world to rights is so simple.... as countless taxi drivers and guys in bars will tell you.

      If this can happen to the Middle East, it can happen to Russia. That only applies if Russia is connected to the Internet in the same way, and by the same number of cables.

      This is final proof that Russia can be cut off from "the internet". The fact that the Middle East (not Russia) temporarily (not permanently) lost much of its capacity (was not totally cut off) constitutes "proof" of something completely different?

      I already posted a response to a ten-a-penny idea to solve the problems of Russian phishing, explaining that while anyone of average intelligence could come up with stuff like this off the top of their head, a minute's thought would explain why it won't work in practice. I won't repeat all that here, but much of it applies.

      Basically, the criminals (the part that's causing us a problem) are making enough money to pay someone to find other routes out of Russia by whatever method. (And penalising ordinary Russians to indirectly pressure their government into solving the crime problem wouldn't work either, for reasons I explain in the linked subthread).
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    9. Re:Response Conjecture by hansamurai · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's an awesome map, if anyone's wondering which cables had the problem it seems to be the one looping around the southern tip of Africa (actually connects Britain to Japan) and then another cable that travels from the Mediterranean and through the Red Sea over to Singapore.

    10. Re:Response Conjecture by Speare · · Score: 1

      That's not a map, that's a schematic. You don't think all the distinct fiber from NYC to London are spread out over a thousand mile ribbon of sea, do you? Or that all the countries in Africa send a cable out to sea by a consistent distance of a few hundred miles, down the coast, and back to shore, do you? It's like those airline "maps" - the line on the paper might go over St. Louis but you actually fly over Bismarck, ND. They drew the line wherever they drew the line, solely to be clear about what endpoints are connected.

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    11. Re:Response Conjecture by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here is another map, from the same company that made the one on C|Net: http://www.telegeography.com/products/map_cable/index.php

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    12. Re:Response Conjecture by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      Why does Australia have so little fiber? Are the companies doing this to artificially increase the costs of Internet access?

  7. Unlikely by TFer_Atvar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cutting cables merely temporarily deprives your opponent of his ability to use that cable. Far better to tap the cable and monitor everything that's being sent across it without your opponent knowing that you're listening in. It also has the added bonus that cable traffic is not typically encrypted as radio transmissions are.

    1. Re:Unlikely by Heembo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Far better to tap the cable and monitor everything that's being sent across it Most definitely. In fact, the US has best-of-breed when it comes to this capacity : The USS Jimmy Carter http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001397.html
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    2. Re:Unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Far better to tap the cable and monitor everything that's being sent across it

      Most definitely. In fact, the US has best-of-breed when it comes to this capacity : The USS Jimmy Carter


      Is the Navy allowed to change the name of their ships, say to name one after a more recent president?

    3. Re:Unlikely by maxume · · Score: 1

      This type of event seems like a golden opportunity to go stick in a splice. Huh.

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    4. Re:Unlikely by Heembo · · Score: 1

      (from Wiki)
      "President Jimmy Carter, who served in the US Navy as an officer in the Submarine Service as a nuclear engineer. Jimmy Carter is one of the few ships of the United States Navy to have been named for a person who was alive at the time of the ship's naming. Jimmy Carter is the only U.S. President to qualify in submarines."

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  8. Anchor by Kelson · · Score: 5, Informative

    That said, it's more likely that a ship's anchor snagged it. The Guardian article doesn't speculate, but an earlier Register article suggested that was the cause:

    A spokesman for Flag Telecom, the owner of the severed cable, told the Reg: "It is a problem off the coast of Alexandria in Egypt. For some reason ships were asked to anchor in a different place to normal - 8.3km from the beach. One of the ship's anchors cut our cable but there are multiple cuts - we're not the only company having problems."
  9. Will the CIA/NSA ever own up to this one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or will they blame sharks?
    Or some other..."natural" disaster?

    1. Re:Will the CIA/NSA ever own up to this one? by utnapistim · · Score: 1

      It's not the sharks, it's the freakin' laserbeams on the sharks!

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  10. hmmm..... by tloh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    how odd. It is so strange to see a story like this not tagged as "whatcouldpossiblygowrong".

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    1. Re:hmmm..... by TransEurope · · Score: 1

      I still miss the "whoreonterror".

    2. Re:hmmm..... by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Stay sentient. Don't drink bat milk.

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    3. Re:hmmm..... by phantomflanflinger · · Score: 1

      Re tags, what's the Meg Griffin one mean? What's she got to do with it? Just wondered, peeps.

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    4. Re:hmmm..... by cluke · · Score: 1

      Must be the Family Guy episode where she drove into the town's transmitter and knocked out TV reception for the whole town (well, actually Peter did it and bribed her to take the blame)

    5. Re:hmmm..... by EvilRyry · · Score: 1

      Well, you see, the story already answers the question. Maybe all of those "whatcouldpossiblygowrong" taggers actually read the summary before tagging this time.

    6. Re:hmmm..... by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Stay sentient. Don't drink bat milk. Why not? It cures spectrox toxaemia, after all.
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    7. Re:hmmm..... by maxume · · Score: 1

      I just tagged it 'somethingfinallywentwrong'.

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    8. Re:hmmm..... by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      how odd.
      It is so strange to see a story like this not tagged as "whatcouldpossiblygowrong". Also where is "Putin" tag as there seems to be Cold War 2.0 going on lately?

    9. Re:hmmm..... by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      Also where is "Putin" tag as there seems to be Cold War 2.0 going on lately?

      But is it backwards compatible? ;)

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    10. Re:hmmm..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it already went wrong!

  11. Two-tiers? by noz · · Score: 1

    Maybe they're opposed to network neutrality?

  12. *song* by TransEurope · · Score: 1

    Once a anchor is dropped,
    who cares it pull's up?
    It's not my department,
    it's just my part time job!

  13. Now I see... by bshellenberg · · Score: 2, Funny

    THAT'S where all my spam went.

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    1. Re:Now I see... by Guinness2702 · · Score: 1

      Don't panic, it'll all be queued on a server somewhere, waiting for retry ;)

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  14. Faulty cable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that what you call a cable which doesn't withstand anchors dragging across it?

  15. outsourcing by alxtoth · · Score: 0, Troll

    .."There has been a 50% to 60% cut in bandwidth, Rajesh Charia, president of the Internet Service Providers' Association of India told Reuters " .. Does this mean that all the outsourcing sweatshops will have to raise prices in order to cover their "investment in infrastructure" ?

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  16. who to blame? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imperial USA?
    Colonialist Europe?
    Isrealish Isreal?
    Fundy Muslim Zealots?
    Expansionist Oil-Seeking Chinese?

    In the mid-east, even an internet outage is cause for energetic debate!

  17. Do you know what *your* subs are doing? by charlesbakerharris · · Score: 2, Funny
    How dumb do the Russians feel right now? Their subs are off planting little flags on the north pole, and ours get to do cool stuff like cut off the internet to half of the Middle East.

    Take that, Putin!

    1. Re:Do you know what *your* subs are doing? by TransEurope · · Score: 1

      Oh, oh...
      http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=10595

      I assume, we sold them old world war stuff from an junkyard as new. I'm ashamed.

    2. Re:Do you know what *your* subs are doing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Papanikolis is probably in shipyard. If sub is unstable, why she has to go to other side of Mediteranian. If mad Greek sub captain wanted to harm somebody, sub would go to Marmara or Bosporus. They have more problems with Turks than with Arabs.

      Son Won-il is in Yellow Sea.

      Type 214 technology haven't got much testing in WW2. Most of subs are new and untested. AIP projects were started in WW2, but fuel cells have been created only after the war.

      These subs are no match to SSNs. They are even smaller than most of uboats.

  18. its a 'web' by Meltir · · Score: 3, Interesting

    so shouldnt they be cutt off from the global network, but still have a working 'web' of their own ?
    They must have their own servers, anything going into that cable is just a 'foreign' request.

    Those are important - sure, but i would gather they dont make up more then 40% of all requests.

    But only some of the routes should be down, and they still should have a very large lan, with dns, www, email and anything else they have on the spot, and im willing to bet that the ISP's there have stuff like that.
    IIRC the web wasnt just designed to be foolproof, it was also designed to be autonomus once disconected from other networks.
    Or am i missing something here, and all that they have is cables, no other infrastructure ?

    1. Re:its a 'web' by p0tat03 · · Score: 1

      You're right, theoretically, but it all depends on how you structure your network. If small pockets of nodes are connected using a wide-reaching backbone, and that backbone goes down, there may not be enough "content" on each of these small subnets for it to be of any use to anyone.

      Add into the fray the fact that web designers don't give a hoot about localizing hosting. A Middle Eastern web server may decide to hook into a European database server, an Asian image server, etc etc. Unless the entirety of the website's services are self-contained in that subnet, any major outage will put it out of commission also.

    2. Re:its a 'web' by mwvdlee · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Aren't Windows authentication servers hosted in the US?
      They're lucky if they even manage to get their OS started!

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    3. Re:its a 'web' by The+Mighty+Buzzard · · Score: 1

      Those are important - sure, but i would gather they dont make up more then 40% of all requests. I think you underestimate the popularity of quality American porn.
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    4. Re:its a 'web' by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      They're hosted where you put them.

      If you mean the activation servers, I believe they're geographically distributed.. but you only need to contact those once, when you install the OS.

    5. Re:its a 'web' by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      windows (even vista) does not require contact with microsoft after the initial installation.

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    6. Re:its a 'web' by dido · · Score: 1

      I imagine, like much of the Third World, including where I am right now, the Internet infrastructure is fragmented and few ISP's have direct peering arrangements, so a packet from one Egyptian ISP customer going to a system hosted at another Egyptian ISP might well need to pass that severed cable going to Europe, or worse yet, many sites intended for Middle Eastern consumption might rather be hosted in European or American data centers instead of locally, where clean power and reliable connectivity arrangements are in general much more costly to come by. We found ourselves in a similar unfortunate situation in the weeks following the Taiwan earthquake just after Christmas 2006. What a mess. It costs serious money to get peering arrangements, and after you've spent a ton of money for an international link, investing in local peering isn't gonna be a big priority.

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  19. BPO on the down and outs? by filmotheklown · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Will probably cause further re-evaluation of the Business Process Outsourcing model. And this time a more serious concern. The bloom first goes off BPO where you realize the logistical and cultural hurdles of dealing with a supplier/'partner' very far off-shore. This however is more crucial, because if you can always tell yourself that the BPO partner 'will get better' with time, but a lack of connectivity is like a lack of oxygen. Infrastructure re-evaluations are much more difficult to handle or weasel your way out of.

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    1. Re:BPO on the down and outs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree. Shouldn't we move our outsourcing/offshoring interests to LatAm instead, as far as we here in the USA? And shouldn't europeans get it to Turkey or Eastern Europe?
      If you analyze the pros and cons, you will see that Asian outsourcing is pretty much outdated. Lots of countries in LatAm had experienced very fast growth not only economically but on the educational level as well. And workforce in Asia is becoming very expensive lately, so I am moving my next call center project to Brazil, and closing down my India call centers.

    2. Re:BPO on the down and outs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is nothing wrong with the model itself - this may (and IMHO should) cause re-evaluation of the outsourding vendors / partners though. The better BPO companies in India have significant WAN redundancies and are not affected by this (except ofcourse the temporary loss of redundancy).

      (And yes, in case you are wondering, I do work for one of the BPO companies in India.)

  20. SEA-ME-WE 3? by Matt_R · · Score: 1, Informative

    Sounds like the SEA-ME-WE 3 cable

    1. Re:SEA-ME-WE 3? by locofungus · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think it's the SEA-ME-WE4 cable.

      --
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    2. Re:SEA-ME-WE 3? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure it's not the ICUP cable?

    3. Re:SEA-ME-WE 3? by locofungus · · Score: 1

      It's managed a link on the front page of news.bbc.co.uk

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7218008.stm

      SEA-ME-WE4 and FLAG cables both broken.

      Tim.

      --
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    4. Re:SEA-ME-WE 3? by Matt_R · · Score: 1

      The article says it terminates in Australia. SMW4 doesn't go to Australia, but 3 does.

    5. Re:SEA-ME-WE 3? by locofungus · · Score: 1

      True. I hadn't seen that bit. But it also says it runs from Palermo to Alexandria and seamewe3 doesn't go to Palermo.

      Tim.

      --
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    6. Re:SEA-ME-WE 3? by shadyi · · Score: 1

      They are the FLAG and SMW4 cables.

  21. Re:Old news, but provides a fine example of TCP/IP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    One benefit of a greater emphasis on liberal arts in place of engineering is that it taught people to write clearly. Given this, it's clear that you're an engineer!

    Yeesh, how did you get from 'Old news. Was reported and solved yesterday' to 'In 20 years, USA would be the mightiest military power with no brains.'??? It's not possible with logic! Especially given the fact that your premise is wrong: the bbc reports that it'll take a week for full service to be restored! (link)

  22. Re:Old news, but provides a fine example of TCP/IP by p0tat03 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Too sensationalist, tone it down will ya? Schools are STILL teaching real math and real science, despite all you doomsday theorists out there. This is especially true at the university level, where education is as good as it's always been.

    You pick one example of a '60s era tech that has survived the ages, and conveniently forget the many thousands of inventions that never made it this far, and never made it long enough for us to even REMEMBER. Then you conveniently ignore all of the genius inventions being put forth today and focus on some crappy examples, kudos.

    The US is suffering from lack of funding in basic research, but seriously, your "proof" is weak sauce.

  23. Not TCP by butlerm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That is not TCP, but rather BGP (Border Gateway Protocol). TCP handles data transmission and congestion control. It doesn't do routing.

  24. Really? by Rie+Beam · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess now would be the time to say it, then.

    Deep breath, Rie.

    *inhale*

    I think the Danish cartoon controversy was really overblown.

    1. Re:Really? by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      You forget that AL Jazeera is still on air. :-) They're reporting the comment as we speak.

  25. Re:Old news, but provides a fine example of TCP/IP by totally+bogus+dude · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yes, the 'net access was down for an hour, but after that it came back up as before.
    Guess TCP was able route the packets through alternate gateways after detecting the problem.

    1. TCP has nothing to do with routing packets. 2. IP also has nothing to do with selecting an "alternate gateway" after "detecting a problem". 3. If it was down for an hour, then I don't think this was anything to do with magical routing protocols. Human interaction was required to either repair the broken link or set up an alternate path.

    According to the article:

    Reports suggested that the lack of alternative routes for internet traffic meant only a small proportion of surfers were managing to get online. Egyptian officials said that around 70% of the country's online traffic was being blocked, while officials in Mumbai said that more than half of India's internet capacity had been erased, which could have potentially disastrous consequences for the country's burgeoning hi-tech industry.

    "There has been a 50% to 60% cut in bandwidth," Rajesh Charia, president of the Internet Service Providers' Association of India told Reuters.

    So it sounds like not every ISP was able to use the alternate path, and the alternate path didn't have sufficient bandwidth for those that could, anyway.

    Mind you, the article then comes out with this astonishing "fact":

    The shutdown highlighted the often frail nature of international communications: despite the vast number of individuals who have access to the web, nearly all internet traffic is routed through a small number of cables submerged deep below the oceans. It is then forwarded through an internet backbone consisting of just 13 servers which handle and direct all online requests.

    Is this the new version of the Majestik 12 that run the world?

    I'm guessing this is a reference to [A-M].root-servers.net, but I'm pretty sure none of those are actually a single server, and several have multiple physical locations. Even so, the vast majority of even remotely popular sites will have their nameserver entries cached at a bazillion ISP DNS caches.

  26. A lot more information by mbone · · Score: 3, Informative

    A lot more information is available from the Renesys Blog.

    It was both the Flag Telecom and SEA-ME-WEA 4 cables outside of Alexandria, Egypt. The SEA-ME-WEA 3 cable is apparently OK.

    In long distance telecommunications, you really need another path going "the other way around" to be safe. For example, many of the large companies with back-offices in India pay for routes both over the Atlantic to the Middle East to India (which might have been broken by this) and also West Coast to Pacific to Singapore to India (which would not have been).

    At AmericaFree.TV, the steady Egyptian audience went to zero yesterday, presumably because of the break, while the audience in Iran, Iraq, the GCC, Pakistan and India did not seem to be affected.

    1. Re:A lot more information by mishari26 · · Score: 1

      I work in an ISP in Kuwait and we're obviously affected by this problem.

      The FLAG and SEMEWE4 cables got hit by a lowered anchor by some ships that were told to park where they shouldn't. And yesterday and today alot of the traffic has been redirected to go to Singapore and around the other side of the world across the Pacific ocean.

      The initial estimate we got of when the cables will be fixed is around 2 weeks (ouch!)

  27. I feel a disturbance in the force... by Doctor+O · · Score: 1

    ...as if a million people cried out, and were suddenly silenced.

    SCNR.

    On the bright side, that will mean a lot less spam for the time being...

    --
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    1. Re:I feel a disturbance in the force... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the bright side, that will mean a lot less spam for the time being...
      Yeah, for those in the ME maybe. The rest of us are still connected to China, Russia and the US.
  28. Obligatory SW by empaler · · Score: 3, Funny

    A communications' disruption can mean only one thi... Oh never mind, that movie sucked.

  29. Americans have cable cutting subs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Americans have several submarines specializing in cutting optical internet cables running under sea.
    Maybe this was another one of those botched missions.

    1. Re:Americans have cable cutting subs by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      Americans have several submarines specializing in cutting optical internet cables running under sea. Maybe this was another one of those botched missions.

      It was just Cheney briefly cutting the line so he could insert a fiber optic splitter and listen to the terrorists.

    2. Re:Americans have cable cutting subs by INT_QRK · · Score: 1

      Think about the economics of building submarines "specializing" in cutting undersea cables. So how many missions do you think you'd get out of that investment? Wouldn't it be just a tad more cost effective to just, oh, say, bomb, sabotage, disable, stop paying the bills, request stop service, covertly monitor and exploit, or do a lot of other cheaper and more effective things on either side of where the cables terminate? Occam's Razor is why most conspiracy theories are looney tunes --and why most real conspiracies fail...at least the ones that are discovered.

    3. Re:Americans have cable cutting subs by Threni · · Score: 1

      It's all in "The Puzzle Palace" by Bamford - it went on a fair bit during the cold war, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's happened a lot since. It's not a conspiracy, it's just business - those who engage in this activity stand to get a lead on their competitors. If you already have a navy with nuclear powered subs etc you're most of the way there.

  30. Re:Old news, but provides a fine example of TCP/IP by tomalpha · · Score: 4, Informative

    So it sounds like not every ISP was able to use the alternate path, and the alternate path didn't have sufficient bandwidth for those that could, anyway I work for a large financial news company. We've had guys up all night whose sole purpose was to persuade the various telcos we lease circuits from that our's should be the one's they re-route first. They must have been pretty persuasive because we're almost back up to normal running now, but it took them a lot longer than an hour.

    We're a big outfit that spends many millions on network infrastructure, so we have some clout with the various telcos and ISPs. We're all right Jack. You've got to wonder if any small company is going to be able to do the same thing. Presumably most of them will be relying on their ISPs, and those ISPs are presumably also going to prioritise their biggest customers as well...
  31. Conspiracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An affected Internet user was quoted as saying "This is a conspiracy by the Western World and blaspheming Zionists to impede our progress and to crush our cultural values by carrying out such illogical 'accidents'."

  32. CORRECTION: Two undersea cables not one by cheeni · · Score: 5, Informative

    Seriously given the magnitude of this, /. could have come up with a more factual and informative writeup.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/business/worldbusiness/31cable.html?ref=business

    Two undersea telecommunication cables were cut on Tuesday evening, knocking out Internet access to much of Egypt, disrupting the world's back office in India and slowing down service for some Verizon customers.

    One cable was damaged near Alexandria, Egypt, and the other in the waters off Marseille, France, telecommunications operators said. The two cables, which are separately managed and operated, were damaged within hours of each other. Damage to undersea cables, while rare, can result from movement of geologic faults or possibly from the dragging anchor of a ship. /snip/

    One of the affected cables stretches from France through the Mediterranean and Red Seas, then around India to Singapore. Known as Sea Me We 4, the cable is owned by 16 telecommunications companies along its route.

    The second cable, known as the Flag (for Fiber-optic Link Around the Globe) System, runs from Britain to Japan.

    http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080039928&ch=1/31/2008%208:29:00%20AM

    Internet service providers in India have put the disruption at 60 per cent of normal services while those in Egypt have been affected up to 70 per cent.

  33. Oblig. Stephenson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    see his brilliant article in Wired on undersea communication cables.

  34. The internet moves West to East by blackchiney · · Score: 1

    I read in an article (maybe slashdot?) the way information is routed (because of peering) usually means it moves eastward. Example someone in France looking at a Chinese website would probably be routed over the Pacific, through the US, across the atlantic, and finally land in Western Europe. I guess because of lack of development they aren't many reliable backbones going through central asia.

    Most of the middle east, northern and central Africa are also wired through Europe. While we like to assume the internet is this big interconnected web there are some regions that have a single pipe doing the work.

  35. That Explains two things I noticed... by AndGodSed · · Score: 2, Informative

    The dodgy internet connection I have in South Africa (yes we are basically at the butt end of internet connectivity...) today every few times my connection drops (I have always on ADSL)... ...and the lack of viagra spam in my spambox this morning...

    1. Re:That Explains two things I noticed... by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      and the lack of viagra spam in my spambox this morning...

      So I guess there will be lots of South African guys still pondering what they can do about their shamefully insignificant penii today?

      What would we do without teh internets?

      --
      In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
  36. How's the spam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What I'd really like to know, is if there is a correlated drop-off in spam; and if so, by what percentage ...?

    1. Re:How's the spam? by thorkyl · · Score: 1

      98% here

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  37. One anxious man reporting from India..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I got up this morning at 0530~ish hours to start the porn torrents (BSNL gives "unmetered" usage between 0200-0800 hours for most ADSL plans), and found out that I was getting half the normal speed. Worse, most sites were not loading images and others weren't loading at all!


    I was so horrified at not getting my daily dosage of pretty firangi sluts that I got an anxiety attack. In fact, I had to watch TV for the first time in months just to get glimpse of some barely acceptable clevage. Thank you FTV, but you don't do it for me. Nor does anything else on the TV, damn, how much have I fallen.


    I am not used to this kind of brahmacharya or celibacy, and am feeling extremely restless and agitated.


    This thing needs to be fixed ASAP else I assure you people will die.


    PS: I'd much rather kill kittens ;)

    1. Re:One anxious man reporting from India..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FTV .... you must have meant ftvgirls.com ? ;)

  38. Well, it didn't happen in Israel by Hemi+Rodner · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since we have lotsa redundant connections here.
    Lucky us!

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    1. Re:Well, it didn't happen in Israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you're still a Jew.

    2. Re:Well, it didn't happen in Israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you're still a Jew.

      Thanks for the compliment. Would you rather be an Arab with no pr0n?

      Sucks to be you: http://google.com/trends?q=sex

  39. Damm, thats why Wow was so slow yesterday ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am from india, and from experience i know it is sh** for gamers. Yesterday my ping was 12780!!!!!
    An unintended WoW break now for weeks now..

  40. NO NO NO!!! by AndGodSed · · Score: 1

    The Internet gets cut off from Russia!

  41. Why not follow this simple precaution? by AsciiNaut · · Score: 5, Funny

    Every night I back up the internet to my RAID array to protect myself from this and similar eventualities.

    1. Re:Why not follow this simple precaution? by andi75 · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Every night I back up the internet to my RAID array to protect myself from this and similar eventualities.

      Not everyone is working for the NSA.

    2. Re:Why not follow this simple precaution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's the SEA-ME-WE4 nott cable. problemcocuk.com ak ne demek

    3. Re:Why not follow this simple precaution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LSD will backup the whole universe at much cheaper costs.

  42. Re:Old news, but provides a fine example of TCP/IP by JustOK · · Score: 1

    If I buy you a camera, will you take a picture of the sky in your world? The rest of us would love to see what color it is. Basic education is failing. Civil and social infrastructures are failing. University education is now job training (and not very good either, because Universities are several years behind in knowing what type of jobs are out there). Today's inventions are usually nothing more than intellectual mashups of previous work. New innovations and new successes are more about marketing and sales than usefulness and originality.

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  43. Deja Vu... by sydneyfong · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of something that happened around last year.

    It's basically the exactly same thing happening. "Fun".

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    Don't quote me on this.
  44. The tubes are full... of water by jamesh · · Score: 5, Funny

    Obviously there's a hole in the tube so all the data has leaked out and the water has leaked in. The data, being lighter than water, will have floated to the top and evaporated away. Once the tube has filled with water, the incoming data is unable to push the water out of the way.

    First they need to blow some air down the tube and inspect the tube for bubbles, then put a patch over it. Once that is done, they'll need to drain all of the water out of the tube, possibly just by blowing air down it some more. Finally, they will be able to allow data to flow again. The first few gigabytes are probably going to come through a bit damp, but after that it should be fine.

    1. Re:The tubes are full... of water by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1

      You must be an adviser for Ted Stevens. I'm pleased to hear you have the situation well in hand.

    2. Re:The tubes are full... of water by DavidJSimpson · · Score: 1

      No, no, no! I hate it when people don't understand science. All data does not float. Only the 0's float, due to the air bubble in the middle. 1's do not float.

      In this case, the 0's will escape from the tube, but the 1's will be unaffected. That's is why the affected people are getting blank (completely white) web pages -- it's all 1's (#FFFFFF == white)

  45. No more sex for arabs by eiapoce · · Score: 1

    No more sex for ARABS http://google.com/trends?q=sex :)

  46. In graph form by TwistedSpring · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And here it is in graph form

  47. India loses Internet by SJ2000 · · Score: 2, Funny

    That would explain the lack of telemarketers, they have no VoIP connections to enable them to bug me.

  48. Misread... by bombshelter13 · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who first read this is 'Millions in Middle East Lose Interest', and was hopeful for a moment about the future?

    1. Re:Misread... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Nope, I read it that way too.

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  49. In related news: by G-News.ch · · Score: 0

    "Failed US attempt to wiretap Iranian internet results in transcontinental loss of internet connectivity. Two special forces divers mysteriously missing."

  50. Affect on productivity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I anticipate Asian stock markets will see a nice rise given that India and the Middle East will actually be getting some work done today.

    Man, imagine what I could achieve if the same thing happened in the UK!

    Ah well, best go and check b3ta.com again.

  51. Fantastic! by Chrisje · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    If they also cut the phone connections, the roads and the airways, Europe would be a happier, more relaxed place. I'm sure we can get houmous and couscous without bothering with the Middle East.

  52. *\o/* Good News Everyone! by m1ndrape · · Score: 0

    *\o/* the amount of v14gr4 or ph4mz 4 ch3ap spam will be greatly reduced. what on earth will we do with all this available bandwidth!

    --
    Donald Ray Moore Jr. (mindrape)
    Suspected Terrorist
  53. End Users by cwinslett · · Score: 1

    Finally, users can say "the internet is down" and they would correct.

  54. I'm Vaguely Amused... by tomandlu · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... by the fact that news.bbc.co.uk is asking for comments from anyone affected. Paraplegics, take one step forward...

  55. The real reason: they caught "little timmy" on p2p by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    The MPAA caught little timmy downloading the matrix, and in the middle east they got their way

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  56. When Outsourcers Attack (volume 3) by nickruiz · · Score: 1

    I would like to see a write up on how the businesses that have outsourced all of their IT staff and customer care to India are faring in this Internet blackout. Run, shareholders, run!

  57. Re: Used over and over by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 2, Funny

    Because he abbreviated the Acronym. The correct form is:

    DJIADNADSD.

    "Dammit, Jim, I'm a Doctor, not a Deep Sea Diver!" (RIP DeForrest Kelley.)

    Such acronyms will be used forever to indicate being coaxed to speculate outside one's area of professional expertise.

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  58. I felt a great disturbance in the Force... by Darfeld · · Score: 1

    ... as if millions of voices were suddenly silenced and suddenly cried out in frustration.

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  59. Inevitably by hcdejong · · Score: 1

    divers will find a backhoe sitting on the sea floor near where the cable was cut.

  60. In other news... by pleumann · · Score: 1

    ... productivity in the affected parts of the world increased by several orders of magnitude.

  61. "internet backbone consisting of 13 Servers" by blackdew · · Score: 0

    http://thyme.apnic.net/current/data-summary

    Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 3490

    I call horseshit

  62. It's down the back of the sofa by ThirdPrize · · Score: 1

    That's where I generally find things when I lose them.

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  63. Allah's Punishment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For not moving past the 7th Century.

  64. The net's going... the net's going black... JC! by Barts_706 · · Score: 1

    No more infolinks... transmissions of any kind... We'll start again... live in villages... If you receive this, if you survive - then find us! Find us!

  65. The Egypt by Bayoudegradeable · · Score: 1

    "The Egypt's..." is that like the Iraq, and such as?

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  66. Suddenly more requests for web programming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That explains the increase in requests for web programming in the last day even though the market is crashing... as people can't reach their outsourcers in India.

  67. It may be OUR fault... by fellip_nectar · · Score: 1

    Could it be that the middle east has been slashdotted?

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  68. Universe Repair Technology? by AnotherUsername · · Score: 1

    So when will we start fixing all those black holes around the universe with duct tape? They seem to be a nuisance for everything around them.

    Wait, wait...that's not what universal repair technology means? Lies!

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  69. Osama is down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn...how is Osame gonna survive in his cave if he can't surf for his beloved goat porn?

    Oh, the inhumanity...damn infidels!

  70. Article facts confirmed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have seen a great reduction in the number of port scans and hack attempts... yes, the connection to Asia is definitely gone!

  71. What a shame... by linuxg0d · · Score: 1

    Being an Internet abuse consultant, I for one am VERY happy that they have limited to no Internet connectivity.

    Awwwwwwwwwwww, what a shame, the biggest subnets that attack North American ISP/Hosts are having trouble? Good for them. Take your time fixing this one.

  72. The force by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A great disturbance in the Force. It was like a million voices crying out in unison, then suddenly silenced.

  73. Assuming it was an accident... by steveaustin1971 · · Score: 0

    Who says it wasn't just cut?

  74. Re:Old news, but provides a fine example of TCP/IP by One+Childish+N00b · · Score: 1

    People have always gawked at celebrities, and being a rock star has always been cooler than being a scientist. There's no use crying that the world is going to the dogs because of these two facts when they've been going on since forever.

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  75. Additional Information (and map!) by ericschoon · · Score: 1

    You can find additional information about this fault, a mapof all the submarine cables in the Med, and details on the plans for future cables in this region here: http://www.telegeography.com/cu/article.php?article_id=21528&email=html

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  76. Re:repetitious redundancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me fix that for you:

    That kind of repetition is called redundancy!

    There, it's now fixed!

  77. Tehran flatlined....Backhoe implicated by killmofasta · · Score: 1

    http://www.internettrafficreport.com/history/267.htm

    Tehran flatlined. Not much impact on Europe, or Africa,
    but...where is their redundancy?

    I am willing to put the blame on...
    a...

    Internet Disconnection Device, known as a BackHoe!

  78. Oh come on....Israel's fault? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Visit this forum to get educated about "ze" jews and their innumerable contributions to improving the human condition. Get educated.

  79. Here is a picture of the problem by Brad1138 · · Score: 1
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  80. Too bad it didn't get Russia, China, and Africa by s_p_oneil · · Score: 1

    But how could we possibly live without trojans, spam, and Nigerian millionaire scams?

  81. slashdot on dialup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It isn't bad at all if you choose the low res version in preferences and keep javascript and images turned off. Dialup is all I can get in my area and the web is still usable and not all that bad, just some websites are really lame about providing alt text links, insist you keep active scripting or even worse, flash. And the web is so large you quickly develop workaround sites to choose from.

    1. Re:slashdot on dialup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      elinks, nubs.

  82. Honestly... by RockClimbingFool · · Score: 1

    ... did they really notice?

  83. Africa, too! Oh no - my investment! by Petersko · · Score: 2, Funny

    According to CNN, part of Africa was hit as well. I'm worried. I just sent $1000 to a fellow over there to cover the costs needed to release $100,000 I won in a contest. He was supposed to get back to me via email.

  84. Call Centers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about the call centers in Asia? I believe dell has their call centers in India

  85. cried out by BigJClark · · Score: 1


    Its as if a million voices cried out and were suddenly silenced. Or something. I'm none too good at this meme crap :)

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  86. Conspiracy Theory: USA tapping undersea cables? by g8oz · · Score: 1

    In the summer of 2005 the undersea fibre optic cable to Pakistan, a branch of the SEA-ME-WE3 line, was cut, disrupting Internet access to that country for weeks and crippling its nascent high tech sector.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4630457.stm

    Now with the cut to this critical Mid-East cable, the possibility comes to mind that the U.S has undertaken a program to tap into all telecom lines running into the Muslim world. An egregious violation of sovereignty if its true. The disruptions could be due to mistakes while installing the taps, or they could be purposeful because the repairs would be an opportunity to slip in monitoring equipment.

    This 2001 article discussed the NSA tapping fibre optic cables
    http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-529826.html

    In short its not easy, but it can be done, and capabilities can have only improved in the past 7 years. The USS Jimmy Carter is the prime suspect. The cost was estimated at $2 billion a year, an amount which can easily be hidden in the intelligence budget.

    It would not be the first time. In the 1970s the Pentagon tapped into Soviet copper cables on the Siberian coast.
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9904EED6123EF93BA35752C1A96E958260

  87. Tubes Broke by RoyBoy333 · · Score: 1

    Please fix the Internet Tubes

  88. More by MortenMW · · Score: 0

    Hmm, it seems like we need more tubes so the data can flow freely.

  89. Re:Old news, but provides a fine example of TCP/IP by elikapeka · · Score: 1

    Hhhhmmmm, I also work in a huge multi-international company and we have had one site go down today but not due to this. We have sites located all over this area and if anything at all we never had an issue at all and went to back up right away with out any end users noticing a thing. We also pay millions for our network infrastructure and have a direct line for ourselves. Not all of the Middle East is totally down....... But people have to understand that relying on the internet and technology only is not always the way to be, there will always be breaks somewhere as well as power outages. Working with technology for years in all types of feilds, I find too many people do not understand that you always need a backup of some kind whether it be pen and paper and a trip to the library!

  90. I'm getting better pings to some sites by TheLink · · Score: 1

    I'm in Malaysia and my crappy ISP (TM Net) used to send some US bound packets via Europe past the Atlantic then across the USA to the US west coast. That sure hurt for online games with servers in the USA.

    Now things are a bit better as they go via the pacific ocean. Not very much better (ISP is still crap - I'm sticking to them partly because they have a less crap T&C than the other alternative ISPs, and partly because the other ones seem to be worse in some cases).

    --
  91. Neal Stephenson article about FLAG by cojsl · · Score: 1

    Neal Stephenson wrote a great piece about undersea cables, and FLAG in particular, called "Mother Earth Motherboard" http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.12/ffglass_pr.html Flag lands at Alexandria and runs across Egypt because the Suez canal is too shallow and is dredged too often for a cable to be safe. He talks about anchor snags too. One creepy thing about the article- he wrote it in 97, note the reference to the World Trade Center collapsing.

  92. Interest by lthown · · Score: 1

    that's what I saw the first THREE times I read the story. The third time I remembered it was Internet but I still saw "interest" - what are they not interested in? did they lose the interest from their bank savings? what?

  93. Surf like an Egyptian by ecloud · · Score: 1

    Na na na na na na, na na na na na na na, na na na na na na na na na...

    (apologies to the Bangles, and to the Egyptians too... this is really a tragedy, but a temporary one we hope)

  94. We need to define "cut off from the internet" by jon3k · · Score: 1

    So it was just disconnected from other regions? So all middle eastern hosts were still available? Now if the US was cut off from Europe would we say that "The US was left without access to the web" ? No, of course not. Article title is very misleading.

  95. 13 servers? by jon3k · · Score: 1

    "The shutdown highlighted the often frail nature of international communications: despite the vast number of individuals who have access to the web, nearly all internet traffic is routed through a small number of cables submerged deep below the oceans. It is then forwarded through an internet backbone consisting of just 13 servers which handle and direct all online requests."

    Yes, there are only 13 physical root servers. You got us. We spent all that root server money on beer.

    (And all the money is controlled by only 13 jewish bankers in a deep underground vault as well)

  96. Whose in charge of this 'Internet'? by CranberryKing · · Score: 1

    Call the company and demand the engineers be fired. Tell them you want 3 months of free service.

  97. Re:Old news, but provides a fine example of TCP/IP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this the new version of the Majestik 12 that run the world? They've just taken inspiration from the old computer game Deus Ex where all of the world's Internet traffic passed through Aquinas - a super router housed in a nuclear bomb proof underground complex, set up so that the NSA could monitor everything. In the game, you get the option to blow it up, plunging the world into a new Dark Age. The game took place in the near future of the 21st century but it looks like it has started already. Be on the look out for a chap in a long, black leather trenchcoat and shades, wielding a katana. He'll probably hit Hong Kong next, followed by New York City...

  98. Wrong song by mbstone · · Score: 1

    It's:

    Na na na na, na na na na, hey India, goodbye

    They'll never call me, the way that they call me
    'Cause if they did, you know, they'd make me cry
    They might be talkin' baby about my bill (my bill, my bill)
    So good-bye India
    Not gonna miss it! Goodbye, now

    Na na na na, hey India, goodbye
    Na na na na, na na na na, hey India, goodbye

    They never hear you, that bill-collectin' Hindu
    When all those overdue bills are fallin' baby from the sky
    They're surely talkin' baby about my bill (my bill, my bill)
    So good-bye India
    Not gonna miss it! Goodbye, now

    Na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye

    [fade in]
    Hey hey-ey, goodbye
    Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
    Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
    Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
    [repeat many times and fade out]

  99. That was a classic article by billstewart · · Score: 1
    Pretty much everybody in the telecom business enjoyed reading it.


    Re: your last point, remember that the WTC was attacked twice, the first time with a truck-bomb in 1993, which wasn't successful in taking down the building (because some fscking rude New Yorker had taken the parking place next to the pillar they'd planned to park the truck in :-), but which caused a lot of damage and panic. A friend of mine's father was working in one of the top floors when in happened, and messed up his back enough during the evacuation that he decided to retire early; otherwise he'd probably have been working there in 2001.

    --

    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  100. It was actually two cables - how redundacy works by billstewart · · Score: 2, Interesting
    There were actually two cables cut - FLAG and SMW-4, and according to one article they were cut in different places.


    Also, if you look at how internet transmission works, while you obviously want geographical redundancy, that doesn't mean that you don't send traffic on all available routes. Carriers are going to make sure they've got enough redundancy for their critical load levels (e.g. the voice network and private-line customers), but if they're doing redundancy at Layer 3 they're going to send traffic across multiple routes because it doesn't make sense to leave them idle.


    To some extent, if you're doing Dense Wavelength Division Multiplexing, and if you haven't lit up all your wavelengths (because the optics and routers at the end are expensive), you can sometimes divert some wavelengths to the alternate routes. For instance, you'd provision wavelengths A, B, and C on the west route and Z, Y, X on the east route, and if something breaks you can push them onto the other route. But once your cable fills up, you've got less ability to do that until you build more cables or put even more expensive optics on the ends to light them.


    And sometimes you just get surprised - like the big Taiwan earthquake last year that took out N-1 of the undersea cables between northern and southern Asia, which almost all go between Taiwan and the Philippines since that's what the ocean floor shape makes you do. They were spread out far enough to avoid problems with ship-anchors, but the quake was over a wide area. And there was a quake in the Med a couple of years ago that took out more than two cables as well.

    --

    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  101. Now we know by bgspence · · Score: 1

    "Egypt's communications ministry suggesting it was caused by a cut in a major internet PIPELINE linking it to Europe." So, it really is made out of tubes...

  102. Fewer unintelligible calls by CipherChaos · · Score: 1

    I think they should re-cut the cable, and cut the other ones going to India, too.

    That way, I won't have to try to understand some Indian call-center person reading straight out of a book - and them not understanding I have more IT knowledge than the average sheep the book was written for. :p

  103. 2 Cables are owned by Indian companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Following internet cables were cut within a span of an hour.

    FLAG - Owned by Reliance India
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber-Optic_Link_Around_the_Globe

    SE ME WE 4 - Owned by VSNL India
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEA-ME-WE_4_(cable_system)

  104. Do not worry about your daily V1@gra reminder! by hadaso · · Score: 1

    Most spam is sent from the US and Western Europe. East Europe, South America and the far east come next. The Mid east contribution would be close to negligible were it not for Israel and Turkey. (This is based on my own statistics on a few hundred messages that were sent by a particular botnet over the last two years. Statistics based on more data might vary but I doubt they would vary significantly on the main sources, i.e. western countries).

    Spam sources are quite proportional to network usage. Most spam is sent by hijacked zombie PCs. I wonder if countries where everyone can get their up to date pirated security software don't have an advantage in this respect over countries were people actually pay for the stuff (or don't pay and don't use up to date security).

    1. Re:Do not worry about your daily V1@gra reminder! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you did not dig into many Asian pr0n forums, have you?

  105. Whos fault was it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I blame it on the PHISHERMEN!

  106. Disruption seems so simple by noreturn · · Score: 1

    How do the trillions we spend on military force keep us from suffering electronic information sabotage by those who wish to harm us?

  107. Severed Cables by iviagnus · · Score: 0

    A close source of mine, without coming right out with it, indicated that the Bush administration is responsible for the severed cables. When the time comes to run new cables, they will come complete with integrated hardware which will allow easier monitoring/tracking/decoding of sensitive communications, as well as the ability to remotely sever the lines in times of crisis.

  108. undersea cable cut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have worked in undersea cable for C&W for a long time. I have worked on great undersea cable as COMPAC and ANZCAN. Never, ever did I find someone cutting undersea cable. The makers of the cable guarantee the product to last 25 years maintenance free.They run on very high voltage. These cables run on the seabed and are very hard for human beings to go and cut or even sharks to tear them.

    This seems to be a technical problem. Most likely poor splicing at the joints which has resulted in repeater failure.

    Tell the cable owner and manufacturer to preach a different choir. No all technical people are dumb. We know the technology, how it operates and how it is deployed.

    As for UAE internet issue, any major telco will need to have divrse path. Dont put all eggs in one basket. Its about time the rich sheikhs here invest in their own undersea cable joint venture and inter-connect the world. DOnt spend the money on services like building stadiums, paying huge sums of money to get celebratees here. Invest in your countries future.

    salaam