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Femtosecond Lasers Used To Color Metals

Maximum Prophet writes "An optics professor and a postgrad have developed a way to use ultra-short pulses of laser light to etch nano features into the surface of metals so that they can absorb or reflect specific wavelengths of light. This is very similar to the way that butterflies get the color in their wings."

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  1. WOW! by JoshEanes · · Score: 5, Funny

    wow, butterflies use high energy lasers to get the color on their wings!?!? now, we have to worry about lasers in the hands of the insects...

    1. Re:WOW! by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Funny

      wow, butterflies use high energy lasers to get the color on their wings!?!? Not to self: don't fuck with butterflies.
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    2. Re:WOW! by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      "This is very similar to the way that butterflies get the color in their wings."

      It's even more similar to the way CDs have rainbows on them.

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    3. Re:WOW! by dgatwood · · Score: 0

      What the heck are they talking about? Butterfly wings have a colored powder that gives them their color. The summary author would know that if he/she had ever tried to catch a butterfly and looked at his/her fingertips afterwards.... The intensity of color is altered somewhat by interference with slits in a fashion similar to what they describe, but the fundamental color is defined by plain old pigmentation of scales on the wings.

      http://webexhibits.org/causesofcolor/15.html

      You might be able to get a little bit of color perception with a technique like this, but I doubt you're going to be able to get much intensity from reflected light with this technique without adding actual pigmentation to the mix, IMHO. Now if the light were being produced by a backlight behind the metal, then maybe....

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    4. Re:WOW! by Like2Byte · · Score: 1

      wow, butterflies use high energy lasers to get the color on their wings!?!? now, we have to worry about lasers in the hands of the insects...


      You think butterflies are bad? Wait until the sharks hear about this!!
    5. Re:WOW! by Rei · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why did you link an article that argued against your point? The article says that the bright color of the upper sides of the wings is due to interference, and that only the dull underside is due to pigments.

      Most of the colors in my parrot are due to the same diffraction effect from the spacing of the barbs in his feathers. There are two interesting things you can observe. One, when you get him thoroughly soaked in a shower, he becomes all dull except for the yellow feathers on his head (which are pigmented); it's a pretty dramatic color change. Two, when the tips of a feather passes in front of another feather, you get neat Moire patterns.

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    6. Re:WOW! by tm2b · · Score: 1

      And I thought it was bad enough when they were controlling our weather by making hurricanes in the US when they flap in Beijing!

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    7. Re:WOW! by i_liek_turtles · · Score: 0

      Is it an African or European butterfly?

    8. Re:WOW! by v1 · · Score: 1

      I was just thinking what an interesting tag it would be to see for this article, "butterflies with lasers"

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    9. Re:WOW! by Zymergy · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is some confusion here, Please first refer to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Additive_color and to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interference_filter
      Actually, butterfly wing-scales are the color of the underlying wing cells that produce the scales (and not blue, etc..) The scales are actually not blue, they are probably the color of butterfly skin cells.
      The intense powder blue colors observed in butterfly scales are caused by Optical Interference Filter phenomenons in the microscopic slits in the surface of the scales *only* and not from a pigment or dye. Think of it as a mirror that adsorbs light in all optical wavelengths and reflects only the shades of blue observed. If you were to shine light of different wavelengths like pure green or red, the wings would be appear dark or mostly black as they absorb wavelengths of light that are not those specific to those shades of blue light they reflect.
      Traditional colors (in most things we see daily) are caused by pigments and dyes (subtractive color) or from CRT/LCD/Plasma display RGB techniques (additive color).
      This 'new' technology using "Femtosecond Lasers" creates precise cuts in the surface of metals (or other substances), to create these precise interference pattern slits to produce brilliant colors. These slits act as a slit interference light reflector/absorber as they brightly reflect specific wavelengths like a selective mirror and adsorb others. This method is vastly more efficient than colored subtractive filters and therefore produce colors far more intense than any pigment or dye could produce.
      All butterfly and moth scales are made of non-living insect cuticle. Insect cuticle comes from epithelial cells and is made up of chitin and protein. These Chitins and Proteins are not necessarily colored or pigmented. Their observed 'colors' virtually all come from their nano-scale *structures* which have microscopic optical interference reflectors/absorbers. Some insects use these 'scales' to very efficiently absorb light to stay warm in sunlight and the light reflected is very brilliant and is essentially a mirror to particular wavelengths.

      The important thing FTA is that now mankind has learned how to use lasers to be able to modify the surface of metal substrates (of whatever native 'color') to adsorb and reflect specific wavelengths of light in the visual range. This can be used to make better coatings and even better camouflage. The USAF already uses similar technology in their "stealth paint" with radar-adsorbing interference filtering "stuff" in the paint itself (as well as the shape). This new technology reads to me to to be a good step in the direction of daylight stealth and camouflage, but just like the butterfly wings. Once touched or structurally affected, the surface structure changes and so does the color absorption/reflection. This is why it is very necessary to carefully clean stealth aircraft just before missions, otherwise combustion particles, dust, etc.. can reflect radar and defeat some of the paint's stealth properties. This would have a similar optical effect on the "Femtosecond Laser-colored Metals" referred FTA.

    10. Re:WOW! by dgatwood · · Score: 0

      The article agreed with my point. Obviously you and the person who modded me down didn't understand what I said. Color has exactly one definition: the particular hue, not the intensity thereof. The color is determined by the color of the powdery scales. The intensity of that color is altered by constructive and destructive interference from the slits, resulting in the vibrant color you see on the interior of the wings. The color itself, however, is not defined by the slits.

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    11. Re:WOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Which begs the question, why are you showering with your parrot?

    12. Re:WOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you mean programming by flapping their wings and changing the atmosphere to focus cosmic rays to strike drive platters and flip desired bits? http://xkcd.com/378/

    13. Re:WOW! by BytePusher · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't know about your butterflies, but my butterfly emits light! Take that you insensitive clod!

    14. Re:WOW! by BotnetZombie · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not to self: don't fuck with butterflies
      Double negative... Must - not - not - imagine - this - scenario
    15. Re:WOW! by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Except not at all. CD's separate light into various wavelengths more like a prism, and don't absorb hardly any. Butterfly wings on the other hand, absorb a lot of light, and only reflect certain wavelengths, creating the solid colors.

    16. Re:WOW! by ozbird · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think you meant to link to the diffraction grating article.
      Diffraction gratings using parallel lines to produce the colours; interference filters using layers of differing refractive indices.

    17. Re:WOW! by Rei · · Score: 3, Informative

      [quote]Color has exactly one definition: the particular hue, not the intensity thereof. The color is determined by the color of the powdery scales.[/quote]

      The article says nothing of the sort. In fact, it says just the opposite: "Blue light has a wavelength range from 400-480 nm, and is the only wavelength that is interfered with constructively by the slits of the morpho, which are 200 nm apart."

      Your article completely undercuts your argument.

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    18. Re:WOW! by Rei · · Score: 1

      Well, we don't usually shower with him any more; he's more comfortable on a hanging perch than on my shoulder or arm when it's slippery, and we installed a perch for him so he can shower on his own. However, as an amazon, he really enjoys showers, and they're good for him. His natural habitat is, after all, a rainforest.

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    19. Re:WOW! by EkriirkE · · Score: 1

      The article states the iridescent property of the color is cause by nano-features, yet the color is strengthening by pigment. The slits are still reflecting blue in themselves; if the scales reflected white, you'd probably see white with a hint of blue shininess.

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    20. Re:WOW! by Isauq · · Score: 1

      Speaking of display technology, could this be utilized to make the next generation of display technologies in any way?

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    21. Re:WOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dr. Evil lives...! ...I can hear it now...

      Dr. Evil -> All I want is some frickin' butterflies with some frickin' lasers on their heads. Is that too much to ask for..? ...apparently not !!

    22. Re:WOW! by Zymergy · · Score: 1

      Dough! Yes, thank you. I did mean to link to Diffraction Grating. Had my terms mixed up. Concept is still sound.
      Interestingly, this technique might be combined with the "forests of nanotubes" discussed last month to make some interesting coatings and material finishes. http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/17/0424232

    23. Re:WOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can fuck them, its ok. Just don't tease them.

    24. Re:WOW! by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1

      Just what we need, rainbow colored sharks.

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    25. Re:WOW! by richard.cs · · Score: 1

      I study physics at Exeter university in the UK and several of my lecturers have been researching the structures which produce the colours in butterflies (and some other animals such as beetles). See this page on natural photonics for more details.

    26. Re:WOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "and don't absorb hardly any."

      Wow. Your command of English grammar is truly astounding.

    27. Re:WOW! by tabrnaker · · Score: 1

      Bravo. Well done on the arguing. You do know colour only exists in the brain right?

    28. Re:WOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dough!

      "D'oh!".

  2. Butterflies... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ...use lasers? Scary!

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    1. Re:Butterflies... by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 0

      Butterflies use lasers!?!? -_-

    2. Re:Butterflies... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      From the summary:

      This is very similar to the way that butterflies get the color in their wings.

      Oh sure, they're just using the lasers to etch colourful designs onto their wings now, but give the little buggers a chance and they'll scale up the energy output. It's them or us, I tells you!

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  3. Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by moogied · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Perhaps the end to automotive paint?? Just throw clear coat over the chagned metal...

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    1. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by somersault · · Score: 1

      yep I'm sure going over the car with a laser scalpel will be much cheaper than using paint!

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    2. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by psbrogna · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It might be cheaper given the cost of disposing of hazardous waste associated with conventional painting processes.

    3. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by onion2k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Automotive paint isn't just used to make your car look pretty - it's also a protective coating to stop it going rusty.

    4. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by JeepFanatic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I could see this for high end vehicles where people would be willing to pay the premium for a car who's "paint" will never fade.

    5. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by Sandor+at+the+Zoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Once you have the equipment, it just takes electricity. No need to buy paint, dyes, etc. on an ongoing basis. And according to the article, it's part of the metal, so it doesn't flake or rub off.

    6. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget that much of modern vehicles have an outer shell made of composite materials, not metal.

    7. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by Reece400 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention speed. I'm certain that it takes more than a femtosecond to paint a car ;)

    8. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by djlemma · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have to wonder how difficult it would be to rub off the outer layer of the metal that's causing the wavelength modifications.. The article implies that the laser is modifying the metal at an atomic level, and I can't imagine it'd be too tough to scrape a few atoms off the surface of an aluminum body panel. What happens when a bird poops on the hood of your laser-colored car? Or worse, when some road tar gets splattered onto your front bumper. Normally, cleaning these up involves solvents and scrubbing, and I don't imagine that bare metal would withstand that combination all that well over time.

    9. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by orclevegam · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it would be vulnerable to scratching and wear, but if you put a clearcoat over it as some have mentioned, and made sure to wax it like you would any other car (or at the bare minimum scrub it down really well every 10 years or so and put a fresh layer of clearcoat on it) you probably wouldn't have to worry about the actual metal being damaged.
      I really don't see it being much of an advantage over regular paint in most cases, but it's a cool technology to have anyway and we may find something it's really well suited to at some point.

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    10. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Except most of the painted parts of my car won't rust because they aren't made of metal, while the parts that are metal are generally not painted.

    11. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      I wonder how rugged this etching is. Even though it is burned right into the surface of the metal it still is a very thin layer. How resistant to corrosion and wear could it be?

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    12. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by lrohrer · · Score: 1

      I am sure stainless steal could be etched too! Thus the rust problem would be lessened.

    13. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by jank1887 · · Score: 1

      The problem is that where a paint coating of measurable thickness will take a certain amount of time to wear once direct exposure sets in, the super thin modified metal layer will only take an extremely short time to wear away. You'd have to be careful when waxing the car to apply very gently.

    14. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by djlemma · · Score: 1

      If you have to clear coat it in order to protect it from wear, then I see little advantage over conventional methods. Sure, paint will fade from sunlight after some years, but my experience is that engine components fade faster.. And beyond that, I'd think any of the things that can cause problems for paint (chipping, scratching, etc) would be just as likely to cause problems for the modified metal.

      Of course, this is all purely hypothetical, and I certainly think this is VERY COOL technology. I wonder if something like this might end up taking the place of dichroic glass in some situations, or perhaps make the manufacture of dichroics cheaper and available on more materials..

    15. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by djlemma · · Score: 1

      Especially if they're talking about using it on a relatively soft metal (like gold) for an object that'd be subjected to a lot of elements and wear (like a ring or other piece of jewelry)

    16. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by jdmetz · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't the nano-scale features in the metal wear off the first time it goes through a carwash?

    17. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by orclevegam · · Score: 1

      The problem is that where a paint coating of measurable thickness will take a certain amount of time to wear once direct exposure sets in, the super thin modified metal layer will only take an extremely short time to wear away. You'd have to be careful when waxing the car to apply very gently. Well, that's kind of the point of applying a fresh clearcoat periodically, it provides a transparent paint layer that will wear away at a certain rate and can be replenished. You wouldn't need to be gentle when waxing because you would be waxing the clearcoat not the bare metal (which could potentially fade if you simply smudged the surface). Really the tech isn't a compelling replacement for painting cars, although it might be useful for something else we haven't discovered yet, which was kind of the point of my post.
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    18. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by rundgren · · Score: 1

      There are good reasons why no car but the DeLorean hgas used stainless steel for it's body.. But more and more cars use aluminum...

    19. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by jfuredy · · Score: 1

      That's a perfectly reasonable solution. Of course I would never be able to afford a laser-etched stainless steel car instead of a standard painted carbon steel car. Stainless steel is 2.5 to 4 times more expensive than standard carbon steel. Not what I would call a viable solution.

    20. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      Dents or dings would cause a discoloration though. You'd have to get a whole new panel.

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    21. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by swillden · · Score: 1

      Automotive paint isn't just used to make your car look pretty - it's also a protective coating to stop it going rusty.

      Hence the need for the clear coat the GP mentioned.

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    22. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by BagOMostlyH2O · · Score: 1

      I don't think the real application is for autos - it is for aircraft. The reason airliners like American Airlines have a lot of silver showing is that paint = weight. A significant amount of weight when you consider the whole surface of these large aircraft. The additional weight means that that the aircraft require more fuel, which is even more weight. So this technique on airlines would mean less weight, and thus less fuel.

    23. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention the cost of tons of paint by the automotive industry. Plus the storing of the paint. Plus the machinery to apply it. Just pass the parts through the conveyor, select the color, push start, done. Want a different color? Push the different color button. No need to prime lines, use alternate conveyors, no cleanup, the list goes on and on.

    24. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Not as easily - steels tend to require a much longer wavelength of light than aluminum or tungsten. Most of the short-wavelength light that femtosecond lasers produce will bounce right off of steel without being absorbed at all, meaning you'd have to have a *really* strong laser to work with steel given the ridiculously short exposure time.

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    25. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by STrinity · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't the nano-scale features in the metal wear off the first time it goes through a carwash?
      I doubt it's that fragile, but I do wonder how susceptible this is to keying, and how difficult it is to repair the damage from same.
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    26. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by It'sYerMam · · Score: 1

      However faster the laser burst is you'll be limited by how fast you can manipulate the laser and how wide the beam is.

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    27. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by treeves · · Score: 1

      he said put clear coat over it. so it's an expensive laser process, followed by clear PAINT.
      I suspect that the clear paint would destroy the color-producing effect of the metal surface anyways.

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    28. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Painting small metal objects (logos on chip interconnects, etc)

      Small color printing on plastic is also very difficult (very poor resolution, really) . Now, having a small foil bit that is "painted" dropped into a depression (with an epoxy or other clear covering) placed on top... your company logo on that little handheld gizmo now looks EXTREMELY good and is, relatively, cheap.

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    29. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      You would suspect wrong; I just smeared some vaseline on some butterfly wings from my butterfly collection and they kept their color (I didn't actually, but a cursory reading of Wikipedia will tell you that there is a translucent layer of chitin over the cells that exhibit the nano-color effect suggesting that clear paint would have no affect on so-colored cars). Thanks for not even trying.

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    30. Re:Hmm good bye automotive paint?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a car who's "paint"

      "whose".

  4. How could you possibly mention lasers and insects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    without using the word "overlords?"

  5. I, for one by Malevolent+Tester · · Score: 5, Funny

    Welcome our new femtosecond laser wielding butterfly overlords.

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    1. Re:I, for one by SleptThroughClass · · Score: 1

      Welcome our new femtosecond laser wielding butterfly overlords.
      Before we start getting tattooed mysteriously on sunny summer days I'd better check the Bible Translator's Notes and see if the original can be translated as "the color of the beast insect".
    2. Re:I, for one by ryanvm · · Score: 0, Troll

      Argh - that joke is so fucking old. Way to be creative.

    3. Re:I, for one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, notting to see here. Move along.

    4. Re:I, for one by Wiseazz · · Score: 1

      Old, but obligatory.

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  6. Re:OK, I didn't read the FA yet.... by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    I just saw this on the back of a Butterfly collectors tee-shirt, "If you can read this and you see me running, try to keep up."

  7. Re:OK, I didn't read the FA yet.... by JeepFanatic · · Score: 2, Funny

    Are they ill tempered?

  8. Neat! by Rizzen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As an artist I find this highly interesting. I'm always looking for new mediums to work with, and I certainly hope this becomes easy enough to work with where I can experiment with it. I'm sure it would open up a whole host of new ideas for creative avenues.

    1. Re:Neat! by ArieKremen · · Score: 1

      The plural of "medium" is "media", just like "datum" and "data", "spectrum" and "spectra"!!!

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    2. Re:Neat! by MLCT · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately femtosecond lasers aren't cheap - the one used in this work would I guestimate cost ~ $1M US.

      I have to be honest, reading the paper it is just, odd. It is not the results that are odd or anything like that, but it is just a bit flaky. They start off wittering on about Alchemy & turning base metal into gold (even referencing it) - then concede the aren't doing anything like that at all (this is an academic paper - wittering is not good). Details are light (ok, it is a letter) and in general it seems to be written in a off-the-cuff style.

  9. I've got to call bulls**t by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1, Redundant

    An optics professor and a postgrad have developed a way to use ultra-short pulses of laser light to etch nano features into the surface of metals so that they can absorb or reflect specific wavelengths of light. This is very similar to the way that butterflies get the color in their wings.

    There's no way in hell a butterfly has the discipline to set still while being laser-etched.

    1. Re:I've got to call bulls**t by wildcatherder · · Score: 1

      It is done to them while they are asleep. Just subject them to thirty-five degree temperatures and they calm down significantly. Plus, it's only done a femtosecond at a time, so if they blink they don't even notice.

    2. Re:I've got to call bulls**t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well if these are super advanced laser wielding butterfly's we can only assume they are also highly trained in martial arts, thus giving them the discipline needed to sit still while they are etched. Also, they can snatch the fly from the master's hand.

  10. Black Ring by Ohrion · · Score: 1

    From the article: "With his black metal finding, Dr. Guo suggested the possibility of black gold rings." and "The golden aluminum follows work a little more than year ago where Drs. Guo and Vorobyev reported that they could make gold and other metals look black -- indeed a black that is blacker than the usual black, sucking up almost all light that impinged upon it." I think that would make a really sweet ring and would definitely wear one! I'm not sure about as a wedding band though...

    1. Re:Black Ring by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      Green Lantern still would have a cooler ring than you. Bilbo errr...Frodo, too.

      Of course, how can Jed Clampett turn his black gold into a ring for Ellie Mae?

      Layne

      (Joking aside, I think it would a cool looking ring, too.)

    2. Re:Black Ring by imgod2u · · Score: 1

      Depending on who you're marrying, it might be amazingly appropriate.

    3. Re:Black Ring by CubicleView · · Score: 1

      Thats a complete waste of femtoseconds. Why use this to remove all the bling from gold? Use some cheaper metal instead, it'll end up looking exactly the same if I'm understanding this correctly. Unless we're talking about black patterns on Gold, and I'm not sure about that either.

    4. Re:Black Ring by servognome · · Score: 1

      "...indeed a black that is blacker than the usual black, sucking up almost all light that impinged upon it."
      I think that would make a really sweet ring and would definitely wear one!
      I'd make a space ship, and fly it into the sun
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    5. Re:Black Ring by djlemma · · Score: 1

      The article implied that each metal reacted to the laser etching in a different way, and that it would take a while to come up with a color cookbook of sorts for each metal. I assume it has something to do with the sizes of the molecules involved..

      In any case, that could be one reason to use a precious metal rather than something cheap, if gold is capable of being colorized in ways that lead is not...

    6. Re:Black Ring by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      In any case, that could be one reason to use a precious metal rather than something cheap, if gold is capable of being colorized in ways that lead is not..

      Or if you wanted to suck on your ring.

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  11. What's the point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...of linking to a story which you need to register to read? Could anyone please copy and paste it?

  12. Oblig. XKCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What a coincidence http://www.xkcd.com/378/

    1. Re:Oblig. XKCD by Neil+Hodges · · Score: 1

      I was considering posting that, but couldn't think of anything witty enough. Apparently I wasn't the only one who couldn't.

      Let's try this: with this process, we could make precision butterflies that could eddy the air currents in such a way that amazing data densities could be achieved on the hard disks. The hard part is getting the butterflies to sit still without damaging them, but considering what we've done with silicon, I doubt it'd be that hard once there's interest.

      Hope that's good enough.

    2. Re:Oblig. XKCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get it. Since when can a cosmic ray magnetize a drive platter?

    3. Re:Oblig. XKCD by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      I don't get it. Since when can a cosmic ray magnetize a drive platter? Obviously you don't know much about programming!

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    4. Re:Oblig. XKCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh dear. Cosmic rays, despite the name, are actually high energy particles. So you couldn't focus them by "lenses" of high pressure air.

      XKCD = EPIC GEEK FAIL.

    5. Re:Oblig. XKCD by Tesla+Tank · · Score: 1

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but how does air change the flow of Eddy Current? For those of you not familar with Eddy Current, here's a short introduction.

      Did xkcd just put together some buzz word and hoping that other nerds wouldn't notice?

  13. Wilford Brimley Lied To Me! by nick_davison · · Score: 1

    ...Ultra-short pulses of laser light to etch nano features into the surface of metals so that they can absorb or reflect specific wavelengths of light.

    This is very similar to the way that butterflies get the color in their wings. And there I was thinking it had something to do with cocoons.
  14. Butterflies with lasers by hermit_tries_virtual · · Score: 1

    You don't have to worry to much, as the butterflies only have access to short-wave lasers... P.S. The Gloom Wing Moth (reference: Page 157 of the AD&D 2nd edition Monster Manual) is something that should bring fear to your adventures!!!!

    1. Re:Butterflies with lasers by CubicleView · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Offtopic I know, but I just googled The Gloom Wing Moth because I've no idea what you're on about and your post was the only hit I got. Google seems to have Slashdot in pratically real time these days.

    2. Re:Butterflies with lasers by Binestar · · Score: 4, Funny

      *I* googled Gloom Wing Moth and I got his post, your post, this post and the post you're going to make in reply to it. Google is faster than real time today.

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    3. Re:Butterflies with lasers by ThreeGigs · · Score: 3, Funny

      Gloom Wing Moth

      Phew!

      Stop playing with the timestream folks, our universe was almost pinched off in a temporal loop.

    4. Re:Butterflies with lasers by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 1

      Dark Helmet: What the hell am I googling? When does this happen on Slashdot? Colonel Sandurz: Now. You're looking at now sir. Everything that happens now, is happening now. Dark Helmet: What happened to then? Colonel Sandurz: We passed then. Dark Helmet: When? Colonel Sandurz: Just now. We're at now, now. Dark Helmet: Go back to then! Colonel Sandurz: When? Dark Helmet: Now. Colonel Sandurz: Now? Dark Helmet: Now! Colonel Sandurz: I can't. Dark Helmet: Why? Colonel Sandurz: We missed it. Dark Helmet: When? Colonel Sandurz: Just now. Dark Helmet: When will then be now? Colonel Sandurz: Soon. Dark Helmet: How soon?

    5. Re:Butterflies with lasers by hermit_tries_virtual · · Score: 1
      I know, now we are off topic, and this is too late to matter... BUT

      http://www.dotd.com/mm/MM00133.htm

      The creature commonly called the gloomwing is the adult stage of the tenebrous worm (see below). These huge moths are native to the demi-plane of Shadow. Their bodies and wings are covered with shimmering, geometric patterns of black and silver. They have large, fern-like black antennae tipped with white and eight legs each ending in a pearly claw.

      A gloomwing's shimmering markings make it a difficult target. Any creature viewing the moth squarely from above or below must successfully save vs. spells or be confused, as the 4th-level mage spell, for 5-8 (1d4+4) rounds.

      Man, I must be old... And why isn't the 2nd edition monsters manual online by now!!!

      GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

    6. Re:Butterflies with lasers by hermit_tries_virtual · · Score: 1
      Besides, who DOESN'T have a 2nd Edition Monster Manual laying around???!!!!

      I mean come on, I put the page number in it an everything!!!

      The Gloomwing Moth's are not feared... but the butterflies have lasers???!!!

      Nerds don't have D&D books...

      AND Google has already archived this thread before it was posted...

      What kind of parallel world is this...

  15. Did anyone else by Token_Internet_Girl · · Score: 1

    see "Femto" and think of the guy from the Berserk manga? Just curious.

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  16. Somewhat limited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their current technology can only generate various shades of silver.

  17. What colour are the butterfly's lasers? by Malevolent+Tester · · Score: 1

    Friend Computer wishes to know.

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  18. I Don't Want Color; I Want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    the laser (preferably moon-based) to burn a HOLE in the metal

    unless Euro 1,000,000,000,000 is delivered to my bunker by Feb. 2, 2008.

    Criminally Forever,
    "President" George W. Bush

  19. Sure it was the butterfly by techpawn · · Score: 4, Funny

    No one EVER suspects the butterfly...

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  20. A novel way to mark items for identification. by TheLazySci-FiAuthor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder if this will work outside the range of visible light: up into ultraviolet or down to infrared wavelengths.

    It might be a novel way to unobtrusively mark equipment or vehicles with permanent serial numbers or some kind of identification method for recognition by, say, machine vision, but which would not be visible to the unaided eye.

    For robots to begin work in our everyday world, I feel that at first they are going to need some special markers around the house and office to help them recognize important objects more easily - this could be a very efficient and elegant way to accomplish just that.

    1. Re:A novel way to mark items for identification. by tgatliff · · Score: 1

      I could see all kinds of uses.... I would think one of the best would be a high resolution printer for metals. I wonder if HP is listening??? Right now, screen printing is the method of choice, but with this approach I would assume the resolution could be more substantially higher than screen printing in addition to longer lasting. Yes, it would require them to determine all of the color ranges, but that does not seem like such a difficult thing to do.

      Also, thin metal aluminum paper for printing on could be interesting as well as it would be a great replacement for what Mylar is currently used for now.....

    2. Re:A novel way to mark items for identification. by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      It might be a novel way to unobtrusively mark equipment or vehicles with permanent serial numbers or some kind of identification method for recognition by, say, machine vision, but which would not be visible to the unaided eye. Depends on how deep the change goes.
      Otherwise, a quick sanding, or a couple whacks with a hammer will ruin your serial #.
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    3. Re:A novel way to mark items for identification. by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It should work in a variety of wavelengths. For 'house and office' use however, it boils down to two question: 1) how many common materials will take the markings (looking around my house and office, I see little metal and most of that is painted*), and 2) will the marking remain visible under a layer of dust (within a few hours of cleaning, you'll start to accumulate more - even if won't be visible to the naked eye for a day or two)?

      *And how well a given metal accepts these markings will depend heavily on its crystal structure.

    4. Re:A novel way to mark items for identification. by TheLazySci-FiAuthor · · Score: 1

      ...how many common materials will take the markings...


      I don't know what you expect your robots to do, but I was thinking mainly of beer cans :)
  21. Colour me cynical by GauteL · · Score: 4, Funny

    .. but when I see things like "professor and a postgrad have developed", I assume that the postgrad did all the work and the professor took most of the credit.

    1. Re:Colour me cynical by aprilsound · · Score: 1

      I assume that the postgrad did all the work and the professor took most of the credit. That's a given. Tenured professors exist only to lend their fame to important work done by postgrads and graduate students. Oh, and raise the money to do it. I'm only half kidding.
    2. Re:Colour me cynical by mea37 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Careful saying things like that around the professor, or he will indeed colour you cynical. Using a laser.

    3. Re:Colour me cynical by UnanimousCoward · · Score: 1

      *Yawn* Wake me up when the post-grad develops transparent aluminum. Beam me up, Scotty!

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    4. Re:Colour me cynical by Speare · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This argument is like the quarterback vs the coach.

      While the postgrad may have done 99.9999999% of the annoying and tedious labor-intensive development of the concept, it is often the case that such partnerships start with a short conversation in a hallway, where either one of them could rightly claim to have spawned the insightful flash that led to the exercise in the first place, and neither one of them could rightly deny the claim of the other. Add that to the fact that the lab is provided by the professor's tenure and grant-gathering capabilities, and you really can't say that the professor isn't entitled to being listed prominently.

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    5. Re:Colour me cynical by fishybell · · Score: 2, Informative
      I asked by dad, a tenured professor / associate dean at the local university, and he said it depends on the professor. Most professors, and all the good ones, are in it for the knowledge and the spreading thereof. Any papers he publishes have the grad students listed first (by order of work done on the project) and his name last. The scientific journals know that the professor's name is last (and of course, followed by the telling doctoral title) as most professors want to give the credit to those who need it most; the students.


      Most tenured professor, and a good deal of tenure track professors aren't vying for personal fame, they're vying for good results. They want their students to succeed in the industry. They don't need their own CV to glow extra bright unless they're planning on starting their own company using the technology. They also don't need the limelight as much as they work with two to four teams of students each semester on various grants. Some grants, of course, take significantly longer than a semester but each year the professor's CV grows by pages while the students' are just getting into page two.

      Say what you like, but most professors really aren't out to jilk the student, they're out to help the students.

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    6. Re:Colour me cynical by djlemma · · Score: 1

      How I wish I had a spare mod point to tag that post "funny" :)

    7. Re:Colour me cynical by servognome · · Score: 2, Insightful

      .. but when I see things like "professor and a postgrad have developed", I assume that the postgrad did all the work and the professor took most of the credit.
      The postgrad probably did all the labor, but the professor probably came up with the idea, provided guidance, and secured the funding. Being a grad student is just like being an apprentice in any other walk of life.
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    8. Re:Colour me cynical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Already invented, if you consider fused aluminum oxide to be aluminum.

    9. Re:Colour me cynical by boriquajake · · Score: 0

      Dude, you are a freaking genius! It is amazing how often my brain flashes to that scene when I am reading something about some new material science advance. Scotty kicks ass.

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    10. Re:Colour me cynical by jonatha · · Score: 1

      Okay. (Sets laser to "cynical" femtoseconds.) Zap!

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    11. Re:Colour me cynical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      This argument is like the quarterback vs the coach.

      While the postgrad may have done 99.9999999% of the annoying and tedious labor-intensive development of the concept, it is often the case that such partnerships start with a short conversation in a hallway, where either one of them could rightly claim to have spawned the insightful flash that led to the exercise in the first place, and neither one of them could rightly deny the claim of the other. Add that to the fact that the lab is provided by the professor's tenure and grant-gathering capabilities, and you really can't say that the professor isn't entitled to being listed prominently.

      This is typical self-aggrandizing corporate horseshit. Money makes everything mine.

      All credit for your world-changing idea (and mainly the profit) belongs to me because you developed it on my purchased machines.

      And I owe nothing to the Amazon aborigines who showed me the plants from which I derived a cancer cure. In fact the little sons of bitches can get their little brown asses off their ancestral rainforest acreage which I just purchased from their government so no one else can compete with me.

  22. Butterflies with Frickin Lasers? by mkcmkc · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Just thought that was funny. I have no useful comment.

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  23. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that's what's goin' on in those cocoons.

  24. taste the rainbow by davidwr · · Score: 2, Funny

    I ate a CD once. It tasted nothing like Skittles.

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    1. Re:taste the rainbow by yiantsbro · · Score: 1

      No, but did it taste like a butterfly?

    2. Re:taste the rainbow by ATMD · · Score: 1

      But that's OK, 'cos now the whole world tastes like Skittles! Yaaaaaayyyyyyy! *vacant grin*

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  25. Re:How could you possibly mention lasers and insec by lufo · · Score: 1

    Nor sharks...

  26. "None more Black" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Err... goes to 11!!! more black.

  27. Next steps by SSKennel · · Score: 1

    Can transparent aluminum be far behind?

    1. Re:Next steps by oneiros27 · · Score: 1
      No for two reasons:

      First, this has to do with surface reflection, and transparency would require the light to go _through_ the material, not simply absorbed or reflected. And second, for it to be far behind, that'd suggest it hasn't already been done:
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    2. Re:Next steps by AshtangiMan · · Score: 1

      Errr, so you mean yes then?

    3. Re:Next steps by Raptoer · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparent_aluminum I remember a /. article about it a while ago, but couldn't find it

  28. Lippman color process by dario_moreno · · Score: 1

    G.Lippman got the nobel prize in the naughties for having developed such a process for color photography using interferometric techniques reminding of holography. People at the time said that the color pictures looked like butterfly wings. Link : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lippmann_plate

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    1. Re:Lippman color process by TheLostSamurai · · Score: 1

      G.Lippman got the nobel prize in the naughties for having developed such a process Did someone actually throw a Nobel Prize at his genitalia? That sounds very unpleasant.
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  29. Hey! Where's the by wiredog · · Score: 4, Funny

    "whatcouldpossiblygowrong" tag! Come on! They're giving lasers to butterflies!

    1. Re:Hey! Where's the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a new weapon... the NOT-INFIDEL BUTTERFLIES will attack all infidels...and go to butterfly heaven to have sex with 21 hot babe butterflies...yeah thanks BIN Laden...now it will be illegal to own a butterfly...you jerk what will i do about my precious(es - is that the plural??lol)

  30. Might be good for body jewlery by Secrity · · Score: 1

    If it is reasonably tough, this might be good for coloring jewelry used in body piercing.

  31. New upgrades to "Shark Army(tm)" project by DrYak · · Score: 2, Funny

    wow, butterflies use high energy lasers to get the color on their wings!?!?


    Forget the sharks !
    Let's make an army of butterflies with freakin' femto lasers on their head and take over the world with them.
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  32. poll by Thornburg · · Score: 5, Funny

    Quick Poll:

    Did the poster and/or editor intentionally make the ambiguous statement about butterflies, knowing that it would lead to a discussion 80% about laser-wielding butterflies, with real article-related content left to battle with the usual jokes/OT garbage/etc for the remaining 20% of comments?

    Possible Answers:

    () Yes, and it's awesome.

    () Yes, and it sucks.

    () No, but it's awesome.

    () No, and it sucks.

    () CowboyNeal forced them to.

  33. Oh no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great. Once the Canadian Mint hears about this, they'll colour our coins along with the bills. Green quarters, blue dimes, pink nickels, it's going to be ridiculous.

  34. Roland? by Ironchew · · Score: 0
  35. Lightscribe?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this mean I get color lightscribe? :)

  36. hmm by sonoronos · · Score: 2, Informative

    Call me a skeptic, but I find it hard to believe that surface etching can cause the photon absorption characteristics of the material to change, a property which has more to do with the atomic structure of the material than its gross features. This leads me to believe that the color properties of the material are probably due to anisotropic reflection - meaning that the difference between "light" and "dark" between frequencies is the difference between "reflective" and "matte". Therefore, the intensity of the color produced by this method is limited by some mean function of available light, viewing angle, and the minimum feature size - which is limited by the material and not by the laser being used. Therefore, I would expect a material like gold, which exceptional stability to have the most intense colors providable by this method, which is a bit ironic, considering the subject of the article. I don't see General Lee Orange "painted by laser" onto a 1969 Dodge Charger any time soon.

    1. Re:hmm by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 2, Informative

      OK, you're a skeptic. Index of refraction is everything.

    2. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a well known electromagnetic phenomenon associated with metals at optical frequencies. For example, if one manufactures metallic nanoparticles (small with respect to optical wavelengths), the resulting reflected light depends primarily on the size of the particles, not its composition. A good example is here:

      http://www.primidi.com/2005/03/04.html

      The scientists from the article are abusing a similar phenomenon.

  37. Finally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... colored tinfoil hats.

  38. Obligatory registration-required missive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe we could use micropulsed lasers to etch an iridescent clue into the posters skull that hitting a link to RTFA and getting a registration-required NY Times page is like hearing the doorbell ring, opening the front door, and discovering a burning sack of dog poo on the porch.

  39. Coloured MacBook Pro? by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2

    Hmm, I wonder whether I could get him to apply the process to my MacBook Pro? If he manages to get the technique to colour metal in industrial quantity that could be amazing.

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  40. paints and paint equipment improvements by SuperBanana · · Score: 1

    It might be cheaper given the cost of disposing of hazardous waste associated with conventional painting processes

    Because the health and environmental problems cause expenses for body shops and manufacturers (like needing to give employees expensive respirators, special filters, etc)...paint companies have been going to more and more eco-friendly painting systems.

    Improvements are both in equipment and the paint systems themselves. HVLP (High Volume Low Pressure) guns came out at least a decade ago and are much more efficient and have less overspray. Paints have gone through multiple "generations" of improvements with much lower VOC contents (Volatile Organic Compound.) Some are even water based.

  41. Stealth Applications by WinCheers · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If he can figure out the right permutation to absorb radar or have radar waves cancel themselves out, then the military may be interested.

  42. Clear coat -will protect - easy to repair color by spineboy · · Score: 1

    would be very easy to repair color scratches - just a quick blast of the laser, and coor is matched again. A lile clear coat over the whole thing will protect it. Since this is "thinner" than paint - I have a feeling that it might "scratch" easier than regular paint.

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  43. Prior Art by PPH · · Score: 2, Funny

    Paint.

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  44. Now I can get ... by Anomalyst · · Score: 0

    Maaco to turn my DeLorean fluorescent blue.

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  45. Muhammed Ali vs the CD by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Funny

    tastes like a rainbow, stings like a bee

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  46. Ugh - crappy work keyboard by spineboy · · Score: 1

    Sorry for all the spelling typos - dang thing keeps on dropping letters

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  47. Yes by dunc78 · · Score: 1
    Yes...

    One word replies usually get moderated insightful.

  48. That's because ... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

    ... most cars don't disappear when hitting 88 mph

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    1. Re:That's because ... by Archades54 · · Score: 1

      You've never driven a narrow cliff road huh?

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  49. Rainbow anodization effect analog by ^_^x · · Score: 1

    Very cool... I guess this effect isn't just for Titanium anymore! ...that is, if he can find a way to choose the colour on other metals at some point...

  50. Options? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

    this may be a case where the Cowboy Neal option is actually correct.

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  51. Paging Mr. Tufnel... by pragma_x · · Score: 1

    The golden aluminum follows work a little more than year ago where Drs. Guo and Vorobyev reported that they could make gold and other metals look black -- indeed a black that is blacker than the usual black, sucking up almost all light that impinged upon it.
    We were able to reach Mr. Tufnel, an expert in the field, about this amazing technology:

    That's pretty cool man. It's so black, it's like, how much more black can it be? The Answer is none. None more black.

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  52. Better seal it to prevent it from rusting. by Radon360 · · Score: 1

    I think they'd better have a clear coat of some form or else the finish will turn a brilliant rust-colored orange after experiencing contact with moisture. Stainless steel and aluminum also oxidize, but not to the extent of mild steel. Such oxidation would probably be sufficient to dull the color significantly.

  53. only one way to answer that... by r00t · · Score: 1
  54. uh huh... by r00t · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sure. Your "shoulder" or "arm". Riiiigh...

      <0)
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    8====D

    Not that there's anything wrong with owning a p3n15 b1rd.

  55. Use this in paint? by mlts · · Score: 1

    I'm wondering about if one could make a very thin metal sheet (almost gold leaf thinness), use the laser technology to etch whatever color is desired, break the sheet up into a powder, then use the powder + a clear solution to hold it in. This should make a workable metallic paint in whatever colors are wanted.