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'Innovation In a Flash' Is a Myth

An anonymous reader writes "A New York Times article spells out what most of us probably already knew: real innovation takes lots of time and hard work to come to fruition. The article looks at the origins of new ideas, and attempts to dispel the myth that 'Eureka' moments create change. Comments author Scott Berkun, 'To focus on the magic moments is to miss the point. The goal isn't the magic moment: it's the end result of a useful innovation. Everything results from accretion. I didn't invent the English language. I have to use a language that someone else created in order to talk to you. So the process by which something is created is always incremental. It always involves using stuff that other people have made.'"

163 comments

  1. Exactly! by AlphaDrake · · Score: 5, Funny

    You may think my hamburger earmuffs were thought up in a flash. But it took a long time to get the pickle matrix just right.

    1. Re:Exactly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Delicious irony if you look at the host for the story from the following Slashdot article on Intelligent Swarms http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/04/0247232

    2. Re:Exactly! by oldhack · · Score: 1

      Two words, o smart one: noise cancellation.

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  2. You can't discard the role of intuition. by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

    Prior art is the road. Hard work is the engine. Intuition is the steering wheel. You get

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    1. Re:You can't discard the role of intuition. by blahplusplus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Intuition is pattern recognition and changing the lenses (angle) from which you look at something, that someone took the time to work out.

      The key is, as Schopenhauer said: "to think something no one has thought yet, while looking at something that everybody see's" which is fancy way of saying: Keep changing the perspective (interpretive framework) and using other seemingly unrelated subjects to try and interpret it in terms of something else.

      Millions of people have similar or the exact same leads on great ideas everyday but they don't have the time or the fast mind to follow up on them. IMHO it's not that people can't figure it out given enough time, it is who and what you come into contact with that triggers the lead up to deofuscate the idea and THEN the persistence to follow that 'intuition'. Intuition is necessary but intuition

      Part of the problem is the education system itself amd it's attempt to rush learning and disavow thinking about things differently in order to pound out 'educated' workers. People that realize there are connections between everything that we can't see and have initiative despite lack of formal education were some of the greatest innovators.

    2. Re:You can't discard the role of intuition. by mikethicke · · Score: 1

      Does any of that even make sense? Looks like you strung together a bunch of buzzwords from the business section of the bookstore. Intuition is pattern recognition? Is that supposed to be a fact? How do we test it? Changing lenses? Angles? So we need a telescope or something? What is your metaphor supposed to tell us? "In order to think differently you have to think differently"?

      This is just a bunch of nonsense with some baseless attack on the education system stuck on at the end.

    3. Re:You can't discard the role of intuition. by blahplusplus · · Score: 1

      "Does any of that even make sense? "

      Yes yes it does. For instance, did you know mathematics is a metaphorical language that's needed to describe geometric shapes? You have a sphere... now describe it. Oh what's that, you need to invent a language to describe the pattern!

      Do you also know that metaphorical analysis is quite valid in scientific arena? Human beings understand the world through metaphors, any time you have an incomplete understanding of the totality of how something works or abstracted from the 'true nature' of something, you have to use 'placeholder' understanding. For instance newtons laws of gravitation are an approximation, if we make more accurate measurements he's incorrect, yet we got to the moon and back using an approximation (metaphor).

      "The greatest thing by far is to be a master of metaphor. It is the one thing that cannot be learned from others; it is also a sign of genius, since a good metaphor implies an eye for resemblance.
      --Aristotle, De Poetica, 322 B.C.

      One of my partial sentences I didn't delete before I posted, big whoop. Everyone else got the gist of it but you.

  3. And that my friends... by Mantaar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And that, my friends, is *exactly* why Open Source is so successful and important.

    Now let's go manufacturing open source hardware...

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    1. Re:And that my friends... by leguirerj · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thats what the Patent System is for, to corral all those wild ideas, fence them off, and make anyone who can make them work, pay for them.

    2. Re:And that my friends... by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Open Source closed source doesn't effect if a product is innovative or not. There are many products that are open source and don't add anything new to the table, they are just trying to copy as many features as possible, of an established closed source project. The only "improvement" over the original design is using a different license for it. The same applies to some closed source projects, lets reinvent this open source project and make it closed source so we can package it and have control over it. There are also many innovative open source projects that really put the to the next step, or introduce a new concept that may or may not a hit. The same with many closed source projects. Just because a project is open source it doesn't mean you will have millions of people working on it, most project that are open source are programmed by one or two people. the same size as most Closed Source Project. The fact they decide to share the source is unrelated to innovation (on a technical level). The only advantage that open source has if someone wants to innovate off someone else's idea they at least do not need to start from scratch.

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    3. Re:And that my friends... by node+3 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I think you've got it completely backwards. Open Source is *not* about innovation, it's about building solid products. In general, the only thing truly innovative about Open Source software is the Open Source model itself.

      Innovation is a by-product of research, and research is something that is almost *never* done by Open Source developers. What Open Source is really good at is applying innovations already discovered. Essentially, engineering using known techniques.

      Now let's go manufacturing open source hardware... And what innovations would you expect from Open Source hardware (aside from the model itself)?

      That's why Open Source is not taking over from the end-user perspective--it's just not innovating enough. It's only for the types of applications which are essentially solved, where progress is made by incrementally refining something, that Open Source is taking over and will be unstoppable.

      Research is expensive. Very expensive. The only reason Open Source has taken off as a software development model is that software development can be done very cheaply. It will be quite difficult for an Open Source team to create new and innovative hardware. They just won't have the resources.
    4. Re:And that my friends... by dave420 · · Score: 1

      How does this only apply to Open Source? Surely you meant "And that, my friends, is *exactly* why well-thought-out development is so successful and important".

    5. Re:And that my friends... by mpe · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I think you've got it completely backwards. Open Source is *not* about innovation, it's about building solid products. In general, the only thing truly innovative about Open Source software is the Open Source model itself.

      Which isn't actually that innovative in the first place.

    6. Re:And that my friends... by blissend · · Score: 1

      "Open Source closed source doesn't effect if a product is innovative or not." I may be missing something here, but I don't see how being closed source will offer more people a better chance to procure innovation. Statistically speaking, wouldn't open source allow more opportunities to be innovative?

    7. Re:And that my friends... by jedidiah · · Score: 0

      Whether or not open source "innovates" or not is irrelevant.

      The "end-user" is not interested in "innovation". They want
      the status quo to be maintained. They won't even consider
      trying something new. They are either lazy or frightened of
      any sort of change or both.

      They won't move on until circumstances force them to. They
      certainly won't seek out new and interesting things.

      The history of GUI adoption is a very good demonstration of this.

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    8. Re:And that my friends... by cozziewozzie · · Score: 1

      Innovation is a by-product of research, and research is something that is almost *never* done by Open Source developers. What Open Source is really good at is applying innovations already discovered. Essentially, engineering using known techniques. Innovation is a product of research, and much research is done at universities and institutes by people who write Open Source software. A lot of research results are published with a reference implementation under an open source license.

      If you look away from the standard database/webserver/desktop environment showcase projects, you will find plenty of image processing libraries, things like Boost, math libraries, learning tools, AI algorithms, etc. based on the latest research and often implemented by the very people who invented these new methods in the first place.

      In my field (computer vision), many people will release open-source implementations of their algorithms, or such algorithms are implemented by popular open-source libraries by other researchers, in an attempt to make the technique more easily available and to help its spread.

      The myth of the big corporation doing all the research is, for the most part, a myth. Many times they will take readily available, published research produced by universities or scientific institutes, change a few numbers, and then patent it.

      I do realise that you are talking about hardware more than software here, but even in hardware, the majority of what's done in a big company is based on published research.
    9. Re:And that my friends... by gandhi_2 · · Score: 1
      Oh yeah??

      Then how come GIMP is the standard of the digital photography world? Huh? Huh smart guy? Oh, wait.

    10. Re:And that my friends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow so all the comments about how bad corporations are when they actually allow us the choice to have so much hardware.

    11. Re:And that my friends... by jc42 · · Score: 1

      Open Source is *not* about innovation, it's about building solid products. In general, the only thing truly innovative about Open Source software is the Open Source model itself.

      Well, the first may be true, but the vaunted "Open Source Model" is actually not the least bit innovative. It's just the centuries-old model of scientific advance via open publication. Software people pretend that they invented something new, but all they really did was "innovate" new terminology for the process that has made modern science such a force for improvement. And that process goes back centuries.

      An informative approach here is to distinguish the common use of "innovation" from "invention". When someone actually creates something that's conceptually new, that's usually called "invention". If you look closely at how "innovation" is used, it's mostly a marketing term meaning "making small, cosmetic changes to something that already exists".

      And in this sense, the Open Source crowd has been tremendously "innovative". This is an ongoing complaint from their critics, though it's usually expressed as "Open Source gives me too many choices and I don't want to waste my time doing all that configuring and twiddling options". We've heard that criticism here on /., right? ;-)

      Something I've gotten involved in a few times is the basic time-and-motion studies of computer GUIs. Invariably, the "open" packages, mostly based on X-Windows, win these tests hands down. It usually takes a bit of configuring and learning how to use things, but when you do, the open-source tools are almost always faster to use.

      Some of the examples are downright silly. Thus, on the vaunted Mac GUI (which I'm using to type this ;-), you can only resize a window with the lower right corner. So if you want to enlarge a window on the top or left, you must first move the pointer to the title bar and move the window's upper left corner, then move the pointer to the lower right and move it to where it was before. This is twice as much hand motion as on any other system. In this case, MS Windows is usually a lot faster, but experienced unix/linux users have usually discovered how to do the job with even less hand motion that either of the "market leaders".

      Examples like this abound. And the reason is that the X-Windows package actively encourages experimenting with different window managers. I've long since lost track of how many such window managers exist, and most of them have several different schemes that a user can configure for doing common actions. In the X-Windows arena, there are a lot of people who will happily bend your ear for hours on the relative merits of the zillions of ways of doing almost anything on a computer screen.

      In the MS and Apple worlds, very little of this "innovation" has happened, because the companies keep tight control of their platforms. This means that innovation is only permitted from within the company. Customers who have ideas (good or bad) about the design have very little effect, because they are rarely heard by the people who are allowed to experiment.

      Not that this has much effect on "the Market", of course, since that's mostly determined by who has the highest marketing budget. So most computer "innovation", even though it's done out of sight by people working on "open" systems, doesn't much see the light of day until one or the other of the two big software companies notices and copies the innovations. This often takes years after the initial invention, because managers at Microsoft and Apple don't pay much attention to experiments within the Open Source community.

      Thus, some day the good folks at Apple will suddenly realize the value of thin resize handles along the edges and at the corners of windows. They'll announce it with the usual fanfare, and they'll get credit for another "innovation" in their great GUI. The people who actually invented the idea 20 or 30 years ago will never be noticed.

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    12. Re:And that my friends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What you are talking about is software that interacts directly with consumers. Open Source is not always good at that, because their "audience" is themselves and like-minded technical people. OTOH closed source companies that sell directly to consumers have a strong financial motivation to make the consumer's experience more pleasant.

      "Underneath the engine" is where open source shines and is extremely innovative. And also in specialized, technical applications that don't have mass consumer appeal.

    13. Re:And that my friends... by geekangel · · Score: 1

      I think the grandparent was right actually. Innovation is the keystone in an arch created by other people, it's built on the ideas of others. IP laws lock up the other stones in the arch, disallowing its creation. Open Source (software or hardware) fixes this, providing building blocks that you can freely use/modify/whatever. In itself, it doesn't have to be innovative, to be a great enabler of innovation. To me, open source is stunning when you look at the big picture. It seems to me that it's the technical people getting together en-masse, and saying "no, that's wrong, the right way is this" to the suits of the world. Wonderful :-)

  4. Oh, really? by Max+Threshold · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Which major IP holder sponsored the "research" behind the article?

    1. Re:Oh, really? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same. What tightening of IP laws is around the corner that needs to be sold?

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    2. Re:Oh, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, a real no shit sherlock posting.

      "news for nerds, stuff that matters"

    3. Re:Oh, really? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      But that says nothing to the argument. All I see in your post is an ad hominem argument.

  5. Innovation by Wowsers · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have a patent on innovation :-).

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    1. Re:Innovation by somersault · · Score: 2, Funny

      A method of designing a novel method or device by incremental advances on current knowledge or technology, usually without the use of flashes of inspiration, but instead involving long hours of deep thought and experimental verifications. And lots of pizza.

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    2. Re:Innovation by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Funny

      I claim prior art!

      By the way, I have a patent on prior art research.

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    3. Re:Innovation by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      By the way, I have a patent on prior art research.
      My friend mwvdlee makes the point in a funnier and more insightful way than I ever could.

      From TFA:

      Everything results from accretion. I didn't invent the English language. I have to use a language that someone else created in order to talk to you. So the process by which something is created is always incremental. It always involves using stuff that other people have made.
      What a great argument for the end of "protecting" innovation through IP laws. It sounds like everything comes from prior art.
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    4. Re:Innovation by Sique · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So we are back to Bernard of Chartes and his wellknown and often quoted "If I've seen further, it was by standing on the shoulders of giants."

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  6. Uh, I've had those moments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All the time I have little flashes of realization or inspiration. Being that I'm a software & hardware designer and developer, had I not had these "flashes" I would never have made any of the things I did. The author of this article is selling opinion and personal viewpoint as some sort of psychological "fact". I wish slashdot wouldn't post these stories because it gives the impression this opinion is widely held or fact.

    1. Re:Uh, I've had those moments by VoidCrow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I suspect that this opinion is held by those people who would wish, for personal reasons, to seek to characterise originality and genius as a mixture of obsession and hard work. If they can convince themselves and others, then at some level they can think 'I could do all those things, but I have a life'. It's just comfort-zone area-denial for the self-deluded.

    2. Re:Uh, I've had those moments by Dr.+Hok · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All the time I have little flashes of realization or inspiration.
      Full ack. I still remember vividly how I went to bed one day after hours of fruitless pondering over that day's differential geometry lecture, then woke up in the middle of the night and suddenly *knew* what it was all about. Before, it was all just meaningless equations and symbols, which had suddenly turned into images of familiar places and faces, sort of. (Yeah, I know, people sometimes call me weird.)

      Of course you can say that this moment of 'revelation' was nothing by itself, but only the last step in a chain of hard work. But still, it was just far out and a joy to behold.

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    3. Re:Uh, I've had those moments by emilper · · Score: 1

      Being that I'm a software & hardware designer and developer

      Should I believe you became a software & hardware designer in a flash of inspiration, too ? Or did it take some good years of hard work to get there ?

    4. Re:Uh, I've had those moments by quintessentialk · · Score: 1

      I thought part of the argument in the article was that even inspiration that appears to come in flashes has its genesis in a serious, time-intensive committment -- e.g. staying literate in your field and others from which you draw inspiration, spending time thinking about the problem, learning how to recognize a good idea when you see it, etc.

      I don't think the article is claiming that problem-solving-by-flash never happens, but that the public perception of that style ignores the amount of work involved a) in getting yourself to a place where the flash of inspiration is possible and b) the work to implement an idea.

    5. Re:Uh, I've had those moments by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      What a waste to post this as an AC....oh well.

      I agree. I think that the "flash" is the beginning of the process. The hard work leads to the final invention. When someone first said "how can I make the wind do work for me" you can bet that the first couple of prototypes didn't work exactly as planned....but through hard work and refinement, they came up with a windmill. Even if the idea is just a way to make something better, it takes that flash to start the process.

      Layne

    6. Re:Uh, I've had those moments by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      I don't remember who said it - Bell? Edison? But the quote is "1% inspiration and 99% perspieation". But the quote is talking about TIME, not importance.

      You can slave your ass off for years, but without the idea you're not going to invent anything. You have to think "wow, I bet there's a way to use electricity to make light with" before you can invent the light bulb, even though it may take years of work to make the thing actually happen.

      It's kind of like my lame journals. There isn't a new one this week; the muse has to strike. Without inspiration there's no way it's going to happen.

      -mcgrew

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    7. Re:Uh, I've had those moments by insertwackynamehere · · Score: 1

      You're kind of missing his point.. he never said all his ideas were flashes of random inspiration, he just said that it does happen.

    8. Re:Uh, I've had those moments by ContractualObligatio · · Score: 1

      All the time I have little flashes of realization or inspiration.

      So does everyone else. The ability we admire is the ability to make something of an idea, not just to have it. You've made things based upon your flashes of inspiration, which is great, but it is the fact that you made it is impressive, not just the idea.

      I wish slashdot wouldn't post these stories because it gives the impression this opinion is widely held or fact.

      The most important rebuttal to make is that it would be a sad world where articles were not written or posted just because someone disagrees with them. I have no problem with someone stating an opinion without the false modesty of saying "of course this could all be wrong". We're not talking about some political decision being forced upon us.

      But also, it is an ignorant developer who doesn't know the old "1% inspiration, 99% perspiration" adage. Innovation is defined as the introduction of a new idea, not its initial inspiration. If you've managed to create things without much effort beyond the initial idea, tell us what they are so that they can be judged. I doubt you have done anything remarkable that was based neither on the learnings of past efforts and study nor the effort of development, testing and refinement.

      It is as ever a sad comment on Slashdot that a post is marked insightful because it in line with the groupthink, panders to the ego, and yet falls apart upon inspection because it is simply contrary to reality.

    9. Re:Uh, I've had those moments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, there are Eureka moments, but they are far less spontaneous than they look. You accumulate lots of detail knowledge until you reach a tipping point. The "creative" bit is that you're looking at a different problem... or looking differently at a common problem... or that you've identified a problem others have overlooked.

      Sure making this new connection feels pretty spontaneous, but in fact it isn't. Your subconscious mind worked all the time on it.

    10. Re:Uh, I've had those moments by emilper · · Score: 1

      and you missed mine: I claimed only that he would not have been able to have any useful flashes of inspiration, random or not, if he had not spent time learning the science ... one cannot have flashes of inspiration about processor design if one has no idea how to design a processor, or what is needed in a processor, in the first place.

      Archimedes did hot have a "flash": the poor man had worked for quite some time on a non-destructive method to distinguish between objects made of solid gold and objects only plated with gold before having the "Eureka" moment in the bathtub. Considering that the guy who ordered him to find that method was the "tyrant" of Syracuse (a not very gentle person), we might understand why he started running naked on the street when he finally got the idea. Unfortunately, the story does not tell how many failed flashes he had before, and how much time it took Archimedes from the moment he jumped out of the bathtub until he could go to his patron and perform the test he was required to perform. I guess he failed a lot before that, and tested a lot afterwards.

    11. Re:Uh, I've had those moments by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      All the time I have little flashes of realization or inspiration. Being that I'm a software & hardware designer and developer, had I not had these "flashes" I would never have made any of the things I did.

      Well, what did you make? Are you that hamburger earmuff inventor?

    12. Re:Uh, I've had those moments by Kupek · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, I hold the opposite opinion as you, but for the same reason. I think people characterize genius as an innate ability in order to excuse themselves from working that hard. If they believe that no matter how hard they work, they could never attain the level of proficiency that geniuses attain, then they have an excuse not to try.

      Also, the view that genius (and innovation) are the result of hard work is supported by the research:
      The Secret to Raising Smart Kids
      How Not to Talk to Your Kids
      How to Grow a Super Athlete

    13. Re:Uh, I've had those moments by kanweg · · Score: 1

      "Archimedes ...., we might understand why he started running naked on the street when he finally got the idea."

      And that gave another Greek watching him a flash of inspiration that there was a market for, eh, male enhancement products, if only he could bring those to the attention of many men. It took a couple of thousand of years, but of hard work, but now this process has become highly efficient.

      Bert
      Who wonders whether that proves or disproves the thesis.

    14. Re:Uh, I've had those moments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have found solutions to problems after "sleeping on it." Of course, no regular Joe would have had a similar innovative flash because he doesn't have years of computer study under his belt. Which could be the point made in the article. What, you think I'm going to read it?

    15. Re:Uh, I've had those moments by VoidCrow · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, if you possess some talent for some area of thought, say, maths, and you work with people who are less talented, it's abundantly obvious that you have more innate ability and can achieve more for far less work. I'm not a genius, but I am relatively imaginative, I do have some feel for maths, and I've worked with a partner of mine for nearly ten years, who *was* and *is* a genius. She's a hard worker, while I'm something of a slacker. I know when I'm outclassed, though, just as I've known perfectly well that I have, in my turn, outclassed other people, and with my minimal effort to their painfully won achievements. People are not equal. People are not equal physically, and if you accept that the mind is an epiphenomenon of the hardware on which it runs, then to render people equal, you'd need some kind of homeostatic process that implements the equaliser. Show me this process, or admit that you believe in the soul.

    16. Re:Uh, I've had those moments by Kupek · · Score: 1

      I think that "innate talent" is mostly prior experience mapping well to an analogous task.

      I think there are clearly differences in terms of innate intelligence and physical ability, but I think we tend to over-estimate the role these differences actually make. I see the same attitude with athletic achievement: people tend to dismiss the enormous time and dedication exceptional athletes are required to have.

    17. Re:Uh, I've had those moments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, but again. with athletes, some people are clearly more fitted to certain types of role. I would *never* be competitive as a distance runner. My bone structure is very heavy, and I'm a physically very strong 5'10. I'm probably comfortably stronger than an average man of my approximate height. In the past, I used to run for exercise. I'd get up at 6am, run for half an hour, and then shower and go to work. I've never been particularly short of physical tenacity. However, I'm a much better swimmer than I am a runner, and the average man can run rings around me. Admittedly, different types of training favour the development of different types of musculature, and stamina training can change the proportion of fast-twitch muscles as compared with the alternative. But, athletes differ from each other, physically, as do people in the general sense. Some people seem invulnerable. Other people are always spraining an ankle, or catching a cold. Is this really just a matter of attitude? Can you transcend your physiology? Can you, for example, fly, unaided?

      In spite of my basic facility with maths, and my otherwise excellent spatial awareness (I can park with absolutely no hassle, and I can estimate the dimensions of the vehicle I'm driving to within a couple of inches), I can't follow verbal directions or build internal maps of an area to save my life. I've had plenty of prior experience - I was chronically ill for several years, and in that time I used to obsessively play Quake, because it at least gave me an illusion of freedom. My map-building skill improved considerably, but I still suck rather badly compared to my father and brothers. So, I conclude from my own experiences that some skills are innate.

      I suspect that the reason why people tend to ignore intellectual differences is that they simply can't see them.

  7. MSFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    It always involves using stuff that other people have made.

    Or, in Microsoft's case, buying stuff other people have made.

  8. intellectual property by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I didn't invent the English language. I have to use a language that someone else created in order to talk to you. So the process by which something is created is always incremental. It always involves using stuff that other people have made.

    Lucky for us, corporate america is catching on, and they're probably working on a subscription service for that incremental innovation. Because you can't just have un-owned ideas out there, floating around.

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    1. Re:intellectual property by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original point is flawed. There ARE people who have stunning, completely new flashes of insight. But they aren't American.

      America excels at copying other's ideas and making them commercially successful - NOT at original blue-sky thinking. A good example is Sir George Cayley, who single-handedly invented the airplane. But we only recognise American inventions, so we praise the Wright brothers, who were just one of the inventors who happened to be around when engine power-to-weight ratios were improved enough for Cayley's ideas to be practical. Cayley is someone no one has ever heard of!

      And read the Wiki history of computing. I wonder why Turing isn't mentioned?

    2. Re:intellectual property by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cayley is someone no one has ever heard of!
      I have, there's a hall at Loughborough Uni named after him.
    3. Re:intellectual property by treeves · · Score: 1

      I've heard of Arthur Cayley, the mathematician. I guess he was a cousin.

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  9. And perverting language != innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The patent regime in Europe invented the concept of the "computer implemented invention" in an attempt to sidestep article 52 which prohibits patents on computer programs. And this really is the key issue; that everything can be reduced to a semantic game.

    It cannot be possible to infringe on a patent if you merely reinvent the core terminology. Otherwise "computer implemented inventions" would be equivalent to software, being "programs for computers" as such.

    You say "tom-ar-to", I say "to-may-to"!

  10. only 10% imagination by alfrenovsky · · Score: 5, Funny

    Investigation is 10% imagination and 90% perspiration. That's why most investigators smells so bad.

    1. Re:only 10% imagination by metamechanical · · Score: 1

      Since you paraphrased Edison, Tesla's paraphrased response might be appropriate: "Had Edison thought out his work and spent more time in preparation, he would not sweat so much." -- Nikola Tesla

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    2. Re:only 10% imagination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hence why prostitution is alive and well despite all efforts --- pimps have noses like bloodhounds, you know.

    3. Re:only 10% imagination by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      I think that once again Monty Python said it best:

      Presenter (Cleese): Penguins, yes, penguins. What relevance do penguins have to the furtherance of medical science? Well, strangely enough quite a lot, a major breakthrough, maybe. It was from such an unlikely beginning as an unwanted fungus accidentally growing on a sterile plate that Sir Alexander Fleming gave the world penicillin. James Watt watched an ordinary household kettle boiling and conceived the potentiality of steam power. Would Albert Einstein ever have hit upon the theory of relativity if he hadn't been clever? All these tremendous leaps forward have been taken in the dark. Would Rutherford ever have split the atom if he hadn't tried? Could Marconi have invented the radio if he hadn't by pure chance spent years working at the problem? Are these amazing breakthroughs ever achieved except by years and years of unremitting study? Of course not. What I said earlier about accidental discoveries must have been wrong...

      I love this rant because it's both funny and very, very true.

    4. Re:only 10% imagination by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Could Marconi have invented the radio if he hadn't by pure chance spent years working at the problem?

      I guess we'll never know, because he didn't, in fact, invent the radio.

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  11. One Premise Argument by Wazukkithemaster · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have to use a language that someone else created in order to talk to you. So the process by which something is created is always incremental. It always involves using stuff that other people have made.

    I speak therefore everything is always incremental? Ok Descartes...

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    1. Re:One Premise Argument by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I speak therefore everything is always incremental? Ok Descartes... "I could talk about coordinate systems now, but that would be putting Descartes before the course." - Dr. David Goodstein, in a Caltech freshman physics lecture.
    2. Re:One Premise Argument by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      I was going to post something similar. It's like saying "Potatoes are starchy, so the only starch must come from potatoes."

  12. quoting Newton (again...) by polar+red · · Score: 1

    "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."

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    1. Re:quoting Newton (again...) by jimicus · · Score: 4, Funny

      "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders."
          - Hal Abelson

    2. Re:quoting Newton (again...) by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Wow. How apropos a quote for the bulk of people who rely only on popular news media for their point of view.

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    3. Re:quoting Newton (again...) by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1
      And likewise,

      "If I can't see as far as I'd like its the fault of the idiots who came before not doing their fair share"
  13. Re:quoting NOT Newton by Petrushka · · Score: 2, Informative

    "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."

    Not Newton, but Bernard of Chartres (or John of Salisbury, depending on how your citation system works). Newton just recycled the line as a way to make fun of someone else who got annoyed after Newton had plagiarised his work.

  14. Eureka Moments Do Happen... by rbowles · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Its just that most often, they come at the tail end of alot of hard work. Everything comes together in a flash, seemingly in one brilliant moment. Those moments are what many of us live for, but in truth, they really aren't the result of our brains exceeding physical and computational limits and suddenly operating at infinite clock-speed. The truth is you were probably working on the problem for some time (possibly unconsciously). Give yourself a little credit for having an efficient background scheduler.

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    1. Re:Eureka Moments Do Happen... by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sometimes the answer reveals itself in a dream rather than a consious flash, Bohr's atomic model being a famous example.

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    2. Re:Eureka Moments Do Happen... by ibbie · · Score: 1

      Shh! This could wind up as yet another way for companies to get their pound of flesh - if you let everyone know, soon it'll be common for employment contracts to lay claim to (the other?) 90% of their employees' dreams.

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    3. Re:Eureka Moments Do Happen... by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Would you like to buy one of my patented tinfoil nightcaps?

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    4. Re:Eureka Moments Do Happen... by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1
      Or Kekule's dream of a snake curled up eating its tail that led him to the structure of benzene - a more vivid and accessible example of the same phenomenon.

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    5. Re:Eureka Moments Do Happen... by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

      They do, but in my experience they happen early in the development process.

      First, you work on the problem for some time (possibly unconsciously) but that is only a small part of the effort. Say 20% as an example.

      Second, the Eureka Moment happens.

      Third, you do a lot of work to go from the brilliant idea to a marketable product. If you are in a regulated industry, add lots of documentation and approval procedures. In this (somewhat boring) phase the bulk of the work happens.

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    6. Re:Eureka Moments Do Happen... by ibbie · · Score: 2, Funny

      Would you like to buy one of my patented tinfoil nightcaps? Nah, I'll stick with velostat headgear for now - it appears to still be working, since I haven't been abducted by grey people while wearing it. (:
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    7. Re:Eureka Moments Do Happen... by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      I love it! Thanks for the link.

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    8. Re:Eureka Moments Do Happen... by Bombula · · Score: 1
      they come at the tail end of alot of hard work

      I think they often come at the beginning of very hard work too. I've had several Eureka moments in my life, which of course have emerged as products of the sum total of all my life experiences. After the initial epiphany they all required extended periods of intense work in order to be realized.

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    9. Re:Eureka Moments Do Happen... by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      Be wary of those tinfoil hats...... http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

      Layne

    10. Re:Eureka Moments Do Happen... by Lars+Clausen · · Score: 1

      Actually, the eureka moments are neither at the head end or the tail end. First comes a lot of digging into the field in one way or another, then at some point you get the "perspective change", then a lot of hard work is required to get it to something that works. However, that moment where the accumulated mountain of knowledge, ideas, intuitions etc collapse into a single new thing is exhilarating and noticeable.

      Innovation is about as much sudden flash as making love is orgasm: It's the high point, but fairly brief. The rest is mostly perspiration -- and hopefully a lot of fun, too.

      There, that analogy should derail enough nerd workforce that I can get my "innovation" out first.

    11. Re:Eureka Moments Do Happen... by sdfad1 · · Score: 1

      You're thinking Friedrich Kekule and the benzene ring?

    12. Re:Eureka Moments Do Happen... by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      No that's the other poster, I was thinking of Bohr's atomic model, apprently his dream was about a solidified sun surrounded by planets. Note that before Bohr's model the leading model was that atoms were like a round pudding with razor blades sticking out of it.

      Inspirational dreams are more common than one might think, Pauli's periodic table is yet another example, but in all cases I have heard of the dream has come after a long period of consious thought.

      On the artistic side Paul McCartney has stated that he would often wake up with a full blown tune playing inside his head and would not bother to write it down unless it stuck with him for a few days. His first attempt to put words to 'yesterday' was at the breakfast table and went something like, "scrambled eggs, how I love to eat my scrambled eggs...".

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    13. Re:Eureka Moments Do Happen... by sdfad1 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the reference.

  15. Well, there's *something* to it at least by Enleth · · Score: 1

    Refining and idea and turning it into a process, product, or whatever else it might describe takes time and effort, but the idea, as in the core concept, really a few words or images in one's mind, sometimes *might* come in an "enlightenment" of sorts. Maybe those aren't big things, but it's innovation nevertheless. Or, in my case, something between innovation and evolution, as I often think about how all the devices I use every day could be improved - and sometimes, I end up with a sudden outbreak of simple, yet effective ideas. I test whichever of them I can and they usually work (that is, I get some tools and hack something out of the original device and some scrap parts lying around). The hard part is taking it further - as a student, I don't really have the funds or connections for that - so most of those end up in the proverbial drawer.

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  16. This is news? by tygerstripes · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Is anyone surprised by this "revelation"? How many of the great innovations of their time were invented by two or more parties, completely independently and almost simultaneously? Powered flight, steam-engines, internal combustion engine, radio transmission...

    Quite apart from the "10% inspiration, 90% perspiration" adage, most of the big technological advances are widely understood to have come about simply because it was their time - the foundations were in place, the need was there, and one of society's more creative and industrious members put the two together. That's called progress, people.

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    1. Re:This is news? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      How many of the great innovations of their time were invented by two or more parties, completely independently and almost simultaneously? Powered flight, steam-engines, internal combustion engine, radio transmission...

      You can add telephone, telegraph, and evolution (natural selection) to that list.

      Quite apart from the "10% inspiration, 90% perspiration" adage, most of the big technological advances are widely understood to have come about simply because it was their time - the foundations were in place, the need was there

      That would be an argument against patents. If inventions come when the right pre-conditions are in place, then patents will not really speed the process, and could even slow them down by limiting who can experiment with or improve new ideas.

      The airplane is a good example. Fights over patents slowed their introduction. The government had to intervene during the war with a compromise in order to get production moving.

  17. This is merely a book promotion - ignore by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
    The article has at it's central point a a new book about innovation.

    Apart from rather out-of-place remarks about language - which I'm not sure I really understood, so I can't say if I agree with them or not, there is a lot of column-inches given to one single example of a guy who re-invented the globe, to help teach geography. Surely there are better examples of innovation than this?

    I'm also not convinced that innovation for it's own sake is necessarily a good thing. There are lots of innovative, but really dumb ideas out there.

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  18. Eureka moments do exist by rucs_hack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The mistake is thinking that they arrive without any prior work. They arrive usually not in the absence of previous work, but in the absence of a previous solution. How can you have a sudden idea about a solution unless you've been working on the problem in the first place?

    I had one a few years back, when as far as I could tell, a whole years research was about to go down the toilet because I'd hit a brick wall.

    I spent several days stressed out of my head over it, and finally resolved to get out and do something else.

    Whilst I was relaxing the solution suddenly popped into my head, complete. If that isn't a Eureka moment, then I don't know what is.

    I certainly had done plenty of work prior to this event, but I had no idea that solution was possible until that moment, none of my work directly pointed to it that I could tell (consciously at any rate, obviously part of my brain got it). It took seconds to realise it, and an hour to write it down, then four months to instantiate. It worked even better then I'd dared think possible.

    1. Re:Eureka moments do exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had one a few years back, when as far as I could tell, a whole years research was about to go down the toilet because I'd hit a brick wall.

      I spent several days stressed out of my head over it, and finally resolved to get out and do something else.

      Whilst I was relaxing the solution suddenly popped into my head, complete. If that isn't a Eureka moment, then I don't know what is. You used proto-matter in the Genesis matrix, didn't you?
    2. Re:Eureka moments do exist by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      No, he used an annular confinement beam to direct graviton particles to the main deflector dish.

    3. Re:Eureka moments do exist by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      I had a similar experience with a bug in college. I had been working on it for days, and even showed it to other people and they couldn't figure it out either. The solution popped into my head while I was taking a crap.

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    4. Re:Eureka moments do exist by rucs_hack · · Score: 1

      No, he used an annular confinement beam to direct graviton particles to the main deflector dish.

      Wrong, I reversed the polarity.

    5. Re:Eureka moments do exist by bitingduck · · Score: 1

      I spent several days stressed out of my head over it, and finally resolved to get out and do something else.

      Whilst I was relaxing the solution suddenly popped into my head, complete. If that isn't a Eureka moment, then I don't know what is. That kind of thing happens all the time and is pretty normal-- there's a lot of hidden stuff going on in your head, and you can't always get to it if you focus directly on the problem, but if you change your context or do something else then sometimes it will pop in.

      That's why lots of people say things like "I get all my ideas in the shower/car/commute/playing tennis/laying on the beach/whatever"-- they get the problems posed in a formal context, and may even think about them formally for a while, too, but the solutions come when they aren't looking. Then you just have to recognize and remember them.

  19. Yes true, but by EddyPearson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is true, it takes us a while to come up with all the mental material for a "Flash" innovation, but I think the "Flash" is when you suddenly work out HOW all the mental material involved fits together to make an understandable innovation.

    Take the original "Eureka!" moment. Before Archimedes got into his bath, he had already formed many ideas about the nature of physics, he wasn't going into the experiance totally blind, however the "Flash" innovation moment came when he made a CONNECTION between the things he already knew.

    The human thought process is a very difficult thing to quantify, and I think this article is misleading in the way that it lends to the idea that Archimedes in the space of 30 seconds came up with the concept of density through displacement, when actually, the the water displacment was simply the final peice in a subconscious puzzle.

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  20. Not a myth by niceone · · Score: 1

    There must have been some innovation or we wouldn't now have 8GB cards for just a few tens of dollars.

    Oh wait, in a flash.

  21. Definition by camperdave · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I guess it all comes down to how one defines "innovation". If you take the word to mean invention, then the slow, incremental process can be called innovation.

    However, I think most people use the word to mean "something radically different", as in a new way of doing something, or a never before seen product. This is the definition that most advertisers want people to have in mind when they describe their product. This kind of innovation is the result of a paradigm shift, which can come about either through Eureka moments, or it can come about when new people come on board and bring a new perspective to a problem.

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    1. Re:Definition by sagax · · Score: 0

      I agree that the definition(s) are critical here. As you said, innovation results in something completely new. In most of the replies here you find a discussion of evolution - the incremental refining or upgrading of existing products/ideas. "Eureka Moments" are the recognition of a new vision. Yes, then comes the "perspiration" of turning vision into reality.

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  22. Re:quoting NOT Newton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Newton just recycled the line as a way to make fun of someone else who
    got annoyed after Newton had plagiarised his work.


    It was to make fun (of Hooke, who was a shortarse) but because he had
    a different theory of light.

    Newton was a great mathematician, but something of a twat.

  23. I don't know about all that ... by Daengbo · · Score: 1

    but I do know that there's no innovation in Flash. The Korean websites where the page is 15m long and everything is in flash kill me. And they kill my browsing experience.

  24. There is some value to that by patio11 · · Score: 1

    After all, is it any different when IBM or Sun pays the wages of the folks working on httpd or OpenOffice? All they're doing is paying for man hours. Microsoft also pays the innovators... they just pay several orders of magnitude better. (And this is why every OSS Visio-clone will always be an OSS Visio-clone, rather than Microsoft playing catch-up by cloning successful OSS programs.)

    1. Re:There is some value to that by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      The difference is a matter of ego's.

      With Microsoft they have a genius that things of a brilliant way to do something, then they have an army of coders who make it happen.

      With OOS they have a genius that things of a brilliant way to do something, then they have an army of coders who think THEY are the geniusses and thus try and make it their own way.

      The main problem is actually the lack of realisation that a singular vision may not yield the absolute best result, but it's a better result than trying to blend a thousand individual visions into an incoherent mix.

      Obviously using the term "genius" loosely here.

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  25. In science... by pzs · · Score: 1

    the plaudits do not go to those who have the great idea - they go to those who persuade everybody else that it's a great idea.

    I don't know who said this, but it's dead right.

    Peter

  26. If Microsoft has taught us anything... by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 2, Funny

    What are you talking about? If Microsoft has taught us anything, it's that innovation *does* happen in a flash. I mean, it doesn't take *that* long to write a cheque, now, does it?

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    1. Re:If Microsoft has taught us anything... by stderr_dk · · Score: 1
      I thought

      'Innovation In (a) Flash' Is a Myth was Microsofts new way of promoting Silverlight.
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  27. FYI - a review of said book by clickclickdrone · · Score: 1
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  28. Hah - my patents say otherwise! by putaro · · Score: 1

    I had a flash and pounded out a patent - a cell phone, a camera and a web browser all in one. A little money for the patent application and now I'm filing lawsuits against all the big boys. Who says you need to do lots of hard work!

  29. EUREKA! by m1ndrape · · Score: 0

    Where's my pet boy sherman, oh sherman!

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  30. Implementation takes work; Innovation, no. by pla · · Score: 1

    real innovation takes lots of time and hard work to come to fruition

    Tell that to Watson and Crick, who for decades could never really explain how they "stumbled" upon the secret of the DNA double helix - Until it recently came out that the thought it up while tripping their balls off.

    Or Einstein? He went from a hack dabbling in the works of Planck to the greatest physicist of all time in a matter of 18 months; and while some have accused him of "borrowing" his ideas from patent applications (or his wife - Which would make this no less of a leap rather than slow progress), no one can deny that he (or she) took a mess of conflicting ideas and unified them, practically overnight, into the single most functional theory of how the universe works we have available today - And he did so as a hobby, not as his day-job.

    Freud? He got really, really high while bored at university, and noticed the influence the subconscious has on our overt behavior. That didn't "evolve" from Brücke and Helmholtz' work, it appeared as a whole new ballpark almost overnight (and in fact, when he personally went on to do the "hard part" of fleshing out his ideas, he created his modern tarnished image as a dirty old man).



    Making that flash of LSD-inspired insight into the modern biotech industry took 50 years of hard work. Turning a short paper on physics into the LHC took a century. And turning "the subconscious" into modern psychoanalysis still has some way to go, 125 years later.

    The "little" leaps come about as a result of work. The jumps happen in a flash.

  31. Re:quoting NOT Newton by hazem · · Score: 1

    Not Newton, but Bernard of Chartres (or John of Salisbury, depending on how your citation system works). Newton just recycled the line as a way to make fun of someone else who got annoyed after Newton had plagiarised his work.

    I worked for a physics professor that said Newton liked to say that because one of his rivals, Leibniz, was rather short. Like another poster said, (who attributed it to another reason), Newton, brilliant as he was, was quite an asshole.

  32. Lingering smell of Romanticism by smchris · · Score: 1

    In the liberal arts circles this has been recognized for ages. Many people still think those "Aha" moments are supposed to just burst forth regularly from the unique depths of your individual Romantic coolness. It's very uncool to work diligently in the arts. Unless it's working on your image of bohemian slothfulness.

    But contrast that with most other ages where skilled craftsmen of all types have worked together in shops all day. The emphasis on individual "aha" moments is an historical anomaly.

    1. Re:Lingering smell of Romanticism by Locklin · · Score: 1

      You never have mod points when you need them... The whole idea of single, solitary, sparks of innovation is a relic of the romantic period. Until "innovation" and "creativity" is realized for what it is: incremental improvements upon *other people's* work, we will continue to be afflicted with overzealous copyright laws giving limitless control over ideas to a single monopoly.

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  33. No, real innovation IS in a flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having had one of those innovative 'flashes' in the past, I think I'm qualified to comment

    First, yes the flash of inspiration IS very quick. You find a way of looking at a subject anew and everything just tumbles out. I'd say roughly there is a period of about 30mins where you are exploring the new understanding, kicking the wheels, poking around to find the limits. This stage is better than sex.

    However, you then have quite a few hours capturing it, checking it, understanding it in explicit rather than tacit forms. This takes up to a few days.

    THEN you have the real problem. Its not that innovation takes a long time, its that dealing with the arseholes takes a long time. Nobody believes you, nobody understands you, not invented here takes over, funding is difficult to find (where's the track record of this idea). Most ideas, even brilliant ones, fail not because of the idea, but because management and the system are generally crap. They are not setup to accept change, they are setup to kill it. I think the stats are roughly 1 commercially exploited idea for every 3000 flashes of inspiration. Most of the time your baby is killed.

    Somehow management sees this as YOUR failure, you are supposed to go through heartache to push it through. They never consider that THEY are the problem and need to be fixed. In general, if you have a great idea keep it to yourself. Explore it yourself in your own time, develop it, and if its commercially viable walk outside whatever organisation you may have and do it yourself. Sure the thieving little bastards will try and claim it after the event, but providing you are smart enough to leave a gap you have much more chance of seeing benefit from it, with less heartache, than would be the case if you kept it inside and tried to convince people.

    So in short, yes innovation is a flash - but making it real involves years of wading through shit created by arseholes - which is what THEY call innovation.

  34. Innovation has been redefined by Jerry · · Score: 1

    Doing all that research was too time consuming and expensive. Corporations have found a shortcut: file IP patents for prior art and rely on their deep pockets to over come any legal challenges, except that most interested parties cannot afford to the legal costs to challenge. So corporations win by default.

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  35. Very True by HungSoLow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Research can 'appear' to have an instantaneous "a-ha!" moment but in actuality, it has the many years of supportive effort by the researcher. The flood gates of creativity might burst open at some point, but it takes a lot of time to fill that reservoir.

  36. Let's be clear here... by webword · · Score: 1

    Innovation doesn't *normally* occur in a flash, or suddenly. But, it can. There are instant winners. There are instant breakgroughs. There's also the luck factor. Sometimes, you just get lucky. Mere chance.

  37. We've got a 12-metaphor pileup over on Slashdot... by jpellino · · Score: 1

    .. make that 13.

    Back to you, Bob!

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  38. What happened to "invention"? by SnapShot · · Score: 1

    Am I the only person who is sad that the word "invention" seems to have disappeared in favor of "innovation".

    As far as I'm concerned, innovation is what happens when the marketing department slaps a "cool evergreen scent" sticker on the latest jug of Tide detergent.

    Invention is what happens when someone develops a new idea -- via a lot of thought and hard work -- into an invention.

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  39. I am shocked and appalled... by stormguard2099 · · Score: 1

    How is this article not tagged 'fluxcapacitor'?

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  40. I call BS... by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    Many innovations are instant...okay...so many are mistakes.

    > Corn Flakes
    > Penicillin

    And while many innovations have been gradual - a great many innovations have occurred in leaps and bangs!

  41. James Burke by D66 · · Score: 1

    I Believe James Burke did a better job making this exact point back in 1979 with his 10 episode "Connections" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connections_(TV_series)
    There were 3 total Connections series, but that 1st one changed the way I think about history and was amazingly prophetic

  42. Re:quoting NOT Newton by Elgon · · Score: 1

    I thought that it was Hooke rather than Leibnitz. vid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_on_the_shoulders_of_giants

    Elgon

  43. inspiration and perspiration by johnrpenner · · Score: 5, Interesting


    "Genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent perspiration."
    (Thomas Alva Edison)

    "If Edison had a needle to find in a haystack, he would proceed at once
    with the diligence of the bee to examine straw after straw until he found
    the object of his search. I was a sorry witness of such doings, knowing that
    a little theory and calculation would have saved him ninety per cent of his labour."
    (Nikola Tesla, New York Times, October 19, 1931)

    1. Re:inspiration and perspiration by try_anything · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yet the same is true of theory, too. Theoretical breakthroughs require both open-mindedness and critical thought. When you combine those two, you end up looking at *lots* of stupid-seeming ideas, trying to figure out which ones are insights in disguise. (If you limit yourself to one or the other, then you never have the experience of working with ugly ideas.) A theory that seems unworkable on first glance may actually be brilliant, if only someone puts in the effort to make it work. Then, in retrospect, the theory is quite simple.

      A good example is Einstein's thought experiments that led to general relativity. Anyone who tried those thought experiments were led immediately to absurdities, which to most people would have meant that they led to no insight. Einstein struggled with the absurdities until he shaped them into something coherent.

    2. Re:inspiration and perspiration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tesla had the answer to a new type of propulsion (both anti-Gravity and flying cars). I've figured it out but no one wants it because they think I didn't put in the requisite perspiration to get it. How very interesting. http://www.newpath4.com/hearttransplantfromworldzooanimalstockcarsraceatdawncomingsoon.pdf

    3. Re:inspiration and perspiration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both are correct. That's not pointing out a distinction between inspiratian and perspiration, it is pointing out that not all perspiratian is equal. Examining every straw diligently, and applying some theory and calculations are both perspiration. Mathematicians spend their whole day applying a little theory and calculation to problems, but it is still work.

  44. Epiphanies by XNormal · · Score: 1

    Creative epiphanies are real enough. True, they are neither a sufficient nor a required condition for successfully bringing an
    innovative idea to happen in the real world. But they are hardly "Balderdash".

    In theory, it shouldn't matter whether an idea has developed gradually or came in a "thunderclap". In either case there's a long road afterwards. But the memory of that special moment can fuel the determination to keep on the road through the inevitable hardships - and to inspire others.

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  45. does NYT write anything by superwiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    that doesn't promote some sort of socialist mindset? Yes, of course, the innovator is no one. He owes the work of his mind to the society and other people who made his innovation possible. Sure, sure. The individual is nothing and contributing to society is the only noble reason for living. What a bunch of nonsense! Innovation comes from two sources: wondering of the curious and gradually developed vision of forward-planning. The first is instant the latter is painstaking and slow. It is Mozart vs Salieri, if you will. And while the Salieri's make innovation useful, without the Mozarts it would never be possible. Standing on the shoulders of giants is important, but to say that it is all that matters when it comes to innovation is to refuse to acknowledge that innovation takes standing taller than anyone has stood before.

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    1. Re:does NYT write anything by cozziewozzie · · Score: 1

      that doesn't promote some sort of socialist mindset? Yes, of course, the innovator is no one. He owes the work of his mind to the society and other people who made his innovation possible. Sure, sure. The individual is nothing and contributing to society is the only noble reason for living. What a bunch of nonsense! This wins the "kneejerk response of the day" award. What a totally random and misplaced rant against socialism, which wasn't even mentioned anywhere.

      Nobody says that the "inventor is no one". But disregarding the importance of society on great discoveries can only be made by people who are not scientists and who have never invented anything. Because these people know how much studying of things done by other people is necessary before one can make a truly meaningful discovery.

      Without the input from the society, you

      - wouldn't know how to read/write
      - wouldn't know any math
      - wouldn't know about the scientific method
      - wouldn't know any logic, save for very elementary common sense
      - wouldn't know any engineering, physics, material science

      Then you would expect someone to come up with an airplane or the theory of relativity in an "Eureka" moment, basically reinventing all of the above. Good luck with that. Great innovations are only possible due to the wealth of knowledge that humans have accumulated over millenia. Shoulders of giants, and all that. It's just that the genius hermit reinventing the universe on the toilet one day makes for a cooler story :)
    2. Re:does NYT write anything by superwiz · · Score: 1

      Quite the opposite. I am a mathematician. I am well-aware of the assumptions and implications of the scientific method. And you are 100% wrong about the society's contribution to innovation. All the "input" from society is a prerequisite for innovation to happen. Everyone "educated" is aware of it. Most "A students" are well-versed in it. Most of them never contribute anything original in their lives. Having the pre-requisite is not quite the same as being a vessel of discovery. I stand by my critique of NY Times' pro-socialist stand despite your insistance. Oh, and by the way, Blaise Pascal and Srinivasa Ramanujan were very original contributors to mathematics. Both of them (to various degrees) discovered most "known" mathematics on their own for themselves.

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    3. Re:does NYT write anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first thing you thought of, when reading this article, was socialism?

      Please get therapy. You'll be happier, and these rants might fade.

      (Oh and I just read your reply to the other person - as an actual scientist, I must inform you that nearly all mathematicians I have met are quite poor on knowledge and application of the scientific method. I hope you're an exception, but I wouldn't stake my PhD on it.)

    4. Re:does NYT write anything by superwiz · · Score: 1

      The first thing you thought of, when reading this article, was socialism? Please get therapy. You'll be happier, and these rants might fade. No, the first thing I thought of when I read that this article was in NY Times was that they were shilling for socialism. I read NYTimes on daily basis and I know their style. Usually I just roll my eyes, but the specter of Communism has been walking all too prominently and unapologetically as of lately.

      (Oh and I just read your reply to the other person - as an actual scientist, I must inform you that nearly all mathematicians I have met are quite poor on knowledge and application of the scientific method. I hope you're an exception, but I wouldn't stake my PhD on it.)

      Oh, good. Can we at least downgrade it to Vi vs Emacs? At least, then those on the sidelines will know that we don't actually mean it?

      Here's what I'll concede: mathematicians are more concerned with implications of assumptions rather than with the empirical. It all goes back to the a priori vs a posteriori investigation. Of course, mathematicians have no concern for a posteriori because it doesn't tell the much... about math. That's why so many of them have no problems being religious. Here's what I'll assert: the degree of individual contributions has nothing to do with adherence of lack of adherence to the scientific method so the original reply to my post was essentially off topic. Oh, and if you are in "life-sciences", I'd like to point out one more time that correlation does not imply causality (but that's inflammatory and off topic... I just find that every biologist and neuroscientist needs to be reminded of that at least once in every conversation).

      Here's the thing though, when Newton made the famous "shoulders of giants" comment, he was being kind. Plenty of people had access to the same shoulders. They couldn't stand on them. It took a giant like Newton to stand taller. There is, in fact, a permeating opinion that individuals are just cogs in the wheels of society. That we must all serve each other and see such service as our solemn duty. Inventors are ridiculed and laughed at as "nerdy".... it's absurd. Yet, in this society we no longer see the absurdity of it. Just so we are clear, I assert that claiming that the only reason that inventors were able to invent is that a body of knowledge came before them constitutes a statement as derogatory as "the only a person was able to work on assembly line is because the society built that assembly line for him".

      Even if NYTimes did not make a statement as clear cut as that, it most certainly is where they chose to place their emphasis. I think I'll skip on the offer of therapy. To call a propagandist "a propagandist" is not crazy. But it is unsettling to the bystanders, so I understand your sentiment. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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  46. Koestler's "Act of Creation" - Revised Edition ? by pg--az · · Score: 1

    Arthur Koestler's "Act of Creation" (1975) still fetches about $45 on Amazon - compared to a lot of old books which go for a penny, this jibes with my memories of reading it. These days it is hard to imagine not knowing the structure of DNA, much less the Benzene Ring - I remember that Koestler spent a few pages detailing how Kekule loaded up his buffers with the data to support his crystallizing insight - (( kekule benzene snake )). "Act of Creation" had quite a collection of case-histories in addition to Kekule. You need to load up your buffers, and the insight needs to crystallize, which often requires a "Reculer Pour Mieux Sauter" because "What you think you know that ain't so" so frequently is holding you back. What I would LIKE to read is "Act of Creation" updated by the awesome amount of neurophysiological advance since 1975. Like the article we are discussing there is a lot of shallow garbage out there - can anyone recommend a current work with this kind of depth ?

  47. Kuhn by Darth+Cider · · Score: 1

    This is the topic of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions in which the term "paradigm shift" was coined.

    1. Re:Kuhn by PaSTE · · Score: 1

      I would have been mortified if nobody had mentioned Kuhn when discussing this sort of thing. This article (and I assume the book mentioned therein) doesn't actually address the same question as The Structure of Scientific Revolutions does. In Kuhn's work, he chooses to ignore the individuals who bring about revolutions in scientific paradigms (changes in the way scientists think about nature), claiming that is more a study in psychology and not scientific history and philosophy, which are Kuhn's areas of study. Kuhn claims that scientific revolutions occur whenever there is a critical mass of scientific anomalies--either experimental data that doesn't fit with theoretical predictions, or theories that have no support through experiment--at which point some genius or group of geniuses come up with a new way of thinking about nature, and slowly everybody in the scientific community either adopts that view or dies away in a sort of attrition warfare against the "old" viewpoint by the champions of the "new" one.

      This article, however, seems to focus on the actual genius who comes up with the revolutionary innovations, which (as Kuhn correctly pointed out) cannot avoid a discussion of the psychology of those individuals. The theses of the two still tend to point in the same direction--namely, that innovations or revolutions are not asynchronous events, but are in fact the result of a contextual process of problem solving that is mostly routinized--they just look at different actors involved in that revolutionary process: the article focuses on the inventors, while Kuhn focuses on "everybody else."

      The Structure of Scientific Revolutions is definitely worth a read as a companion to the book in the article.

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  48. 'Eureka' moments create change... by infiniphonic · · Score: 1

    years or decades later.

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  49. Idea vs. implementation; innovation vs. invention by snowwrestler · · Score: 1

    1) Ideas can come in a flash, sometimes with little work beforehand. However, turning ideas into products or services--making them concrete--is very difficult, and that process is often incremental and iterative. Consider computing, where many researchers and science fiction authors imagined vast networks and tiny hardware a number of decades ago. Yet, it is only now that we are getting the actual products they imagined (invented). Read "The Mote in God's Eye" by Niven and Pournelle, and pay attention to the descriptions of the pocket computer and screens everywhere. Their capabilities are available today, but it took 20+ years for that to happen.

    2) Yvon Chouinard was founder of both Black Diamond Climbing Equipment and Patagonia--two of the most innovative companies in the outdoor industry. In his book "Let My People Go Surfing" (highly recommended), he defines a difference between "invention"--the creation of something wholly new--and "innovation"--a new application of an existing invention. For example at a trade show he found a polyester fabric treatment that was invented for football jerseys. But he licensed it and created the first wicking polyester underwear--Capilene. He said that because it takes so long to go from idea to product, most businesses don't have time for real invention. He wants to innovate instead because it is faster.

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  50. Kekule and the benzene ring? Others? by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    A distinction should be made between creativity, which does involve mysterious flashes of insight, and innovation, which is "99% perspiration." Frankly, articles like this always sound to me like attempts to devalue creativity. Creativity by itself doesn't buy you a thing: it's a necessary, though not a sufficient condition for innovation. Creativity is a very annoying phenomenon to managers, who wish that with the right methodology they could use a team of interchangeable staffers as a substitute for those awkward, hard-to-manage creative people.

    I don't think the "epiphany" stories are all nonsense, or false. (I don't have time to check these in depth now, so if they're like George Washington and the cherry tree, so be it...)

    Kekule supposedly intuited the ring structure of the benzine molecule while dozing in front of a fireside, dreamed of carbon chains as being snakes, and suddenly dreamed of one of the snakes biting his own tail.

    Mozart claimed that whole symphonies popped into his head in a flash. I don't know if that claim has been critically examined, or how you'd test such a thing. I believe it, although I'm sure his right brain was laboring hard for days before sending the news to his left brain.

    It is not uncommon for writers to maintain that they get the inspiration for entire novels in a single flash, know what the last sentence will be before they write the first one, and have to hurry to get it down on paper before they forget it. Samuel Taylor Coleridge claimed, although some are skeptical about the truth of the story, to have lost much of an important poem through being interrupted while trying to capture it by a "person from Porlock:"

    "On awakening he appeared to himself to have a distinct recollection of the whole, and taking his pen, ink, and paper, instantly and eagerly wrote down the lines that are here preserved. At this moment he was unfortunately called out by a person on business from Porlock, and detained by him above an hour, and on his return to his room, found, to his no small surprise and mortification, that though he still retained some vague and dim recollection of the general purport of the vision, yet, with the exception of some eight or ten scattered lines and images, all the rest had passed away like the images on the surface of a stream into which a stone has been cast, but, alas! without the after restoration of the latter!"

  51. 1% Inspiration, 99% Perspiration; Rinse Lather Rpt by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    When Thomas Edison said that "Genius is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration", he was one to know, since he had hundreds of other people on staff helping thinking up inventions and doing practically all the sweatwork to make a patentable version.

    And even there he left out the bankers and lawyers geniuses require to protect every innovation from further innovation that could threaten some of the profits.

    That whole ingenious system took years to hammer out and perfect.

    If only he'd patented it, others couldn't have just copied his way of extracting every possible penny from any possible invention. Instead of just getting the biz model in a flash, they'd have had to maintain a stable of pros to come up with it for them.

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  52. Flash != Innovation by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

    I tried to tell that to Macromedia, but would they listen? Noooo.

    HAL.

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  54. Re: Information overload by motek · · Score: 1

    Not really. Source code is most of the time absolutely useless in that context. Most of any code base deals with the mundane. Thus, even though a program is a representation of human thought, much of this thought is trite or fallacious in one way or another. Its poor readibility (regretfully, the concept of literate programming never really took root) further confounds the situation.

    Blazing your way through is costly and takes your eyes off the prize. This is in clear oposition to the wonderfull invention of a textbook or a scientific paper, where the author took it unto himself to present things in proper context, with necessary background information and in a linear sequence.

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  55. Eureka moments can be physical as well as mental by gordona · · Score: 1

    About 30 years ago, when I had another life as a medical school professor and NIH researcher, I had reached a point in my research that was seemingly a dead end. I tried experiment after experiment attempted to resolve the impasse with no success. This went on for months and I would wake up obsessing in the middle of the night. I was at my wits end with this project and was thinking that I would have to return the balance of my grant back to NIH.

    One day as I was finishing cleaning glassware in my lab, I was walking through my lab when I had an experience that could be called a Eureka experience. What I remember about it most was that it shook me physically and stopped me cold in my tracks. It had kind of felt like a bolt of lightning had hit me and in a flash, I suddenly saw a way through the impasse. It took me a couple of days to work out the details, but a whole new avenue of research opened up in that split second. It was quite remarkable.

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  56. Asimov said it best... by effigiate · · Score: 1
    The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" but "That's funny..."

    I've found no more true statment in my years in engineering.

  57. Necessity's Mother by mdd4696 · · Score: 1

    I just read a chapter of the book Guns, Germs and Steel talking about innovation and invention. The author, Jared Diamond, makes the same point: Necessity is not usually the mother of invention; rather, invention is the mother of necessity.

    For example, James Watt is usually credited with inventing the steam engine in 1769, but he wasn't inspired by watching steam rise from a teakettle's spout as the story goes. Watt actually based his work off of another steam engine created by Thomas Newcomen. There was also Tomas Savery and Denis Papin's engine design even before Newcomen.

    Another good example is Thomas Edison's phonograph. He originally intended it for dictation and other office use, but eventually admitted (twenty years after its invention) that it's best use was for recording music.

  58. The Ancient Engineers by earlymon · · Score: 1

    Evolution does not negate epiphanies. The argument that it's all evolution is a twisting of the idea that no one really invents anything, and is foisted off by people who simply have not invented something. That's my take-away from L. Sprague DeCamp's book, The Ancient Engineers - here's a crappy synopsis of it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ancient_Engineers and here's a better one: http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-0345320298-4

    I highly recommend this book for anyone interested in this controversy.

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  59. Counterpoint by mike+nathan · · Score: 0

    To the English language example: what about Esperanto?

  60. Well, the original article... by jd · · Score: 1
    ...leads itself into somewhat of a trap. I need only prove one spontaneous invention to disprove the rule, and since inventions now include methods, all I need is one spontaneous method. Since invention and innovation take place throughout the animal kingdom, I need not limit myself to humans, either. Hey, either the argument holds and is a "universal" principle, or it is an accidental property of the cases that have been observed.

    So, when we look at the monkeys that wash potatos in sea water, we see a methodology that has no obvious predecessor and was most likely the result of a pure accident (dropping a potato in sea water). Spontaneous invention of condiments.

    I only need one example to show it can't be a truly universal principle. "Invention in a flash" may be a myth in specific cases, maybe even many specific cases, but it is NOT, and never has been, universally so. True "eureka" moments are clearly rare, but they are provably non-zero, as I've found one. Even just a value of one is greater than a value of zero. And I doubt it's unique. My guess would be that there's a genuine, unassailable "eureka moment" at least once a century, and that during times of Classical or Classical-derived thinking, I would expect this number to maybe even get into the realms of four or five "eureka moments" a century.

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    1. Re:Well, the original article... by reebmmm · · Score: 1

      Well, I doubt very much that even your monkey example works.
      The issue, really, is what you include within the set of acts that would constitute prior research.

      I'm not sure how you know there was no predecessor in your example, or if its even a real example. However, there's a relatively obvious chain one could construct. For example, and contrary to your example, even a monkey probably knew that eating a potato fresh out of the ground wasn't pleasant so they started by dusting it off to get rid of dirt. But, that wasn't entirely clean. And, when the potato was left out in the rain, the potatoes were cleaner. Splashing them in rivers or puddles worked even better. And when one monkey realized that the ocean works too, you've got your salted potatoes.

      Whether you include the process of cleaning to remove dirt in the chain of invention is really a definitional issue. Each step resulted in a better potato. It's true, in my example, that the addition of salt was somewhat accidental, but no less "incremental." Indeed, if you expanded the steps far enough, even getting a potato out of the ground involves some step monkey must have figured out.

    2. Re:Well, the original article... by Teancum · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For myself, as an engineer, I would have to say that most "creation" is a combination of both hard work and a series of sometimes small and occasionally large scale eureka moments.

      I like the term "grok" coined by Heinlein as a verb meaning "to comprehend a topic or concept completely". Sometimes it is very difficult to completely grok something in the problem domain you are working in. If you are at the frontier of human knowledge (in whatever endeavor that may be... science, engineering, theology, politics, art, etc.) it is very unlikely that there is anybody who completely understands some new theory or concept... which is where the intellectual "fun" of being a genuine scientist tends to be at.

      I remember for myself when I was trying to work on a bit of multiplexor code for an MPEG video stream engine (it was actually stuff for DVD-Video, so a bit more complex still), I finally hit upon a eureka moment when I finally figured out how to put everything together and write a small bit of very elegant software to solve the problem. Much of this involved reading and pondering through the specifications and trying to understand the problem domain, and I did write some test code to try a few ideas out. But in the end I scrapped all of the old code and with a "clean sheet" started the whole process all over again from scratch with the core part of the software only being written in about 10 minutes. It took me about 4 months to get there, and to an outside observer (such as one of the investors of the company I was working for) it would appear as though I was just wasting time and money to get to that point. The only productivity for actual code written was in that 10 minutes after I finally got the whole concept down. A co-worker wrote a similar bit of software that was insanely buggy but kluged through in just six weeks (instead of 4 months... a concurrent effort here), but then again it was a never ending process of trying to fix one problem after another in that klugged code. My software didn't have to be touched again when I was through, and was incredibly easy to review for bugs as well (like I said... it only took about 10 minutes to write once I got the concept down).

      I could give countless other examples ranging from simple to very complex problems, and I'll say from experience that such moments do happen. But it also takes a whole bunch of preparation that often goes unnoticed, and can tie together completely unrelated fields of knowledge. In the example of the multiplexor above, my "eureka moment" came while I was doing an engine repair in a ten year old car with a bad water pump. I was able to take that thought process of automotive repair and apply it to software development and a 400 page piece of very dry specification language.

      Another analogy is watching a beaker of super-saturated chemical solution suddenly "precipitate" leaving a bunch of stuff at the bottom of the beaker. It may take some considerable preparation to get to that point, but once there, the "action" happens very quickly. The human mind often works in a very similar fashion with regards to "discovering" a new truth about the universe. For those who have never experienced something like this happen in their life, you are genuinely missing out on an experience that IMHO is better than sex.

    3. Re:Well, the original article... by jd · · Score: 1

      Hope you don't mind me saying, but that was brilliantly said. If we could get schools, colleges and workplaces to understand that, core competencies would go through the roof, because people would be applying their skills to work effectively rather than to just look impressive.

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  61. Directed Eureka Moments by the_kanzure · · Score: 1
    I recently published some material on my site on incubation theory, which basically states that insights can occur in the background. Some quotes from the page.

    I have especially noticed this fact in regard to ideas coming to me in the morning or evening in bed while in a semi-hypnagogic state. ... Perhaps we ought to seek the explanation in that preliminary period of conscious work which always precedes all fruitful unconscious labor. Permit me a rough comparison. Figure the future elements of our combinations as something like the hooked atoms of Epicurus. During the complete repose of the mind, these atoms are motionless, they are, so to speak, hooked to the wall; so this complete rest may be indefinitely prolonged without the atoms meeting, and consequently without any combination between them. On the other hand, during a period of apparent rest and unconscious work, certain of them are detached from the wall and put in motion. They flash in every direction through the space (I was about to say the room) where they are enclosed, as would, for example, a swarm of gnats or, if you prefer a more learned comparison, like the molecules of gas in the kinematic theory of gases. Then their mutual impacts may produce new combinations. What is the role of the preliminary conscious work? It is evidently to mobilize certain of these atoms, to unhook them from the wall and put them in swing. We think we have done no good, because we have moved these elements a thousand different ways in seeking to assemble them, and have found no satisfactory aggregate. But, after this shaking up imposed upon them by our will, these atoms do not return to their primitive rest. They freely continue their dance. Now, our will did not choose them at random; it pursued a perfectly determined aim. The mobilized atoms are therefore not any atoms whatsoever; they are those from which we might reasonably expect the desired solution. Then the mobilized atoms undergo impacts which make them enter into combinations among themselves or with other atoms at rest which they struck against in their course. Again I beg pardon, my comparison is very rough, but I scarcely know how otherwise to make my thought understood.
    And:

    Incubation sometimes requires a very long break: Feynman noted that "You have to do six months of very hard work first and get all the components bumping around in your head, and then you have to be idle for a couple of weeks, and then - ping - it suddenly falls into place ..." (Csikszentmihalyi and Sawyer, 1995, p. 350).
  62. peter drucker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Peter Drucker wrote about this way back in 1984 in his book Innovation and Entrepreneurship. The paperback edition is about 250 pages and he devotes about a page and a half to the 'flash of brilliance' innovations. The rest of the book is his attempt to categorize different methods of innovation and rank them in order of greatest change of success to least change of success. The 'flash of brillance' innovations rank last, of course.

  63. Innovation in a Flash by iviagnus · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Did intelligence just take a nose-dive? Innovation results from accretion? The simple facts are that todays researchers/scientists simply specialize too much to gain the needed mental facility to achieve the "Eureka" moment. Once, long ago, people had to be knowledgeable in many diverse fields, and could mentally assemble innovative ideas, whereas today people focus on a single discipline, and almost never see a bigger picture. We've also forgotten how to daydream - an important ability in the creative process. It's sad. I myself am a student of multiple disciplines, master of none. Over the 44 years of my life thus far I have independantly conceived of several new devices, as well as alternative methods to transmit data, etc. I lack the desire to learn to network with others (I won't play that game, and so stay true to myself). I also lack any financial resources to see these innovations through to fruition. Because of these personal limitations, my ideas and inventions have either remained in my head or as notes scribbled on paper, while sometimes years later someone else has been able to successfully bring them to market. So keep trying to convince yourself that there are no true "Eureka" moments. There most certainly are.

  64. PCR counter example by Jeff1946 · · Score: 1

    I remember reading that Kerry Mullis said that the idea of PCR (method to amplify DNA) came to him while he was driving on a mountain road. He pulled over to reflect on it because he was afraid he would be too distracted to drive safely. He won the Nobel prize and the rights were eventually sold for a billion dollars.

  65. Good point. Terrible Analogy by Unicorn+Setu · · Score: 1

    "I didn't invent the English language. I have to use a language that someone else created in order to talk to you. So the process by which something is created is always incremental".
    What a terrible analogy. Language was created by many people, therefore ALL inventing is incremental. You might as well say, I didn't grow this log, it grew over hundreds of years, therefore falling off it must take hundreds of years.
    I think I know what he was trying to say. He was trying to say that to invent a better mousetrap, someone had to invent the drawing board and the pencil, and the first mousetrap, etc. That doesn't prove that you don't walk down the hall and stop dead saying "Swipe me! I've just invented the ultimate mousetrap!". ONly production problems from there on in.

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  66. Response to Black Swan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just wondering if this article is actually a response to the Black Swan book, which says that innovation is often a result of randomness.

  67. This is hardly news to an engineer or scientist .. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    All he's saying is that progress, by and large, is evolutionary, not revolutionary

    Obvious to most technical people, of course, but it can be damned hard to convince upper management of that.

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  68. Re:quoting NOT Newton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Newton's "shoulders of giants" quote he is in fact having a bit of dig at Robert Hooke http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hooke (a natural philosopher and contemporary of Newton with whom he had a bit of disagreement) who was rather short in stature!

  69. Advances within a paradigm are incremental. by v(*_*)vvvv · · Score: 1

    Advances within a paradigm are incremental.
    A leap towards a new paradigm happens in a flash.

  70. Reminds me of a previous discussion... by CAR912 · · Score: 1

    This story reminds me of a the discussion to a previous /. story

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  71. Re:quoting NOT Newton by hazem · · Score: 1

    I stand corrected!

    Clearly my giant isn't as tall as yours!

  72. Re:1% Inspiration, 99% Perspiration; Rinse Lather by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Moderation -1
        100% Flamebait

    TrollMods are afraid Thomas Edison will flame me from beyond the grave.

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  73. A language that someone else created by UberDude · · Score: 1

    So English is "a language that someone else created"...

    I'm not criticising the accessibility, utility or creativity of English, but if someone actually sat down and invented it then they would be almost as crazy as the people who (might have) said "hey, that's a great language, let's use that!"